Harry Duran 00:00:00:
So, Justine Finnacara Doles, host of Just Talk with Justine, thank you for joining me on Podcast Junkies.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:00:05:
Thank you for having me. I'm so excited.
Harry Duran 00:00:08:
So we connected at a indoor farming conference of all things.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:00:12:
We did. We did in Las Vegas. Yeah. Back in February.
Harry Duran 00:00:17:
Yeah, March.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:00:18:
Yeah.
Harry Duran 00:00:19:
It's been that much time has passed already. But already. Yeah. So regular listeners to the show will know that I have this first show, Podcast Junkies, which I launched in 2014. And the interest was in just connecting with podcasters because I was entering the space and I thought the best way to do that was to interview other podcasters.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:00:37:
That is so cool. I love that idea. I really do.
Harry Duran 00:00:40:
And then I started in 2020 vertical farming podcast, which brought me into the world of indoor farming. And then I started connecting and meeting the conference organizers and we met Suzanne, who's the coordinator at Indoor adcon.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:00:55:
Yeah.
Harry Duran 00:00:55:
And a couple years ago, I started attending those conferences because I wanted to learn more about that world. And it's just been crazy whirlwind. Cause I interviewed CEOs and founders on that show specifically.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:01:05:
Oh, wow.
Harry Duran 00:01:06:
Yeah.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:01:07:
Yeah. You were interviewing right across from me. Microclimates.
Harry Duran 00:01:10:
Yeah.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:01:11:
Super nice.
Harry Duran 00:01:12:
I can.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:01:12:
Yeah. What a nice gal.
Harry Duran 00:01:13:
She's beautiful. Yeah. Beautiful person.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:01:15:
Yeah.
Harry Duran 00:01:16:
So it's been interesting, the journey, like all podcasting related. And then you were talk a little bit about what your role was at Indoor Icon.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:01:23:
Well, I was doing the show for years as a general service contractor. We're the ones that come in, you know, and provide all the tables, chairs, empty the trucks, the whole nine yards. Well, we weren't big enough for them because they were growing. We started with them back in when they were even in Orlando years ago, and they just wanted more technology. And so they went and got bigger and they went with another contractor that is local and that handled a lot more things for them. So they hired me, since I knew all the exhibitors, to be the face to make sure all the different exhibitors were happy and got all the products that they need.
Harry Duran 00:02:02:
How long you been in that world?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:02:04:
Oh, God, probably 30 years now.
Harry Duran 00:02:08:
Wow.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:02:08:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. My husband's been in the business probably 50. And then when we met, he worked for a company and then I knew he had so many clients that we decided I said, let's start our own. And we did.
Harry Duran 00:02:21:
Okay.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:02:21:
Yeah. But now we're both on the retiring side.
Harry Duran 00:02:24:
Okay.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:02:24:
Yeah. So I'm getting more into my podcast is my goal.
Harry Duran 00:02:28:
And where's home for you?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:02:30:
I am outside of Orlando in Apopka. Florida.
Harry Duran 00:02:33:
Okay. Yeah, I've been to Orlando several times. There's a nice podcast conference. I don't know if you've been podcast.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:02:38:
I have, I have. I went once. I went last year.
Harry Duran 00:02:41:
Good. Oh, that was the one year we didn't make it. But we've been. We've got a lot of. We've been several times. I know the organizer, Chris Komitz.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:02:47:
Yeah.
Harry Duran 00:02:47:
And his wife, Katie. They're great. And we've met a lot of great folks, actually. I was there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was there. The one before I missed, it was.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:02:56:
At the Marriott, right?
Harry Duran 00:02:57:
Yeah, at the Marriott. Yeah, that's right. And unfortunately, someone from the podfest community passed away recently. Neil.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:03:02:
Really?
Harry Duran 00:03:03:
Yeah. He was the DJ at the party, and he's been involved with that organization for a long time.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:03:08:
Long time.
Harry Duran 00:03:08:
Yeah. Like two weeks after the conference, we saw something on Facebook that he had a heart attack and.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:03:13:
Oh, I'm sorry.
Harry Duran 00:03:13:
It was like, 48. It was crazy.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:03:15: Y
eah.
Harry Duran 00:03:16:
He's young, so. Yeah. So it's interesting how, like, you know, kind of living life fully, and it's probably a theme we'll come back to on in this conversation.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:03:24:
Exactly. Oh, my God.
Harry Duran:: So when did you discover the world of podcasting?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:03:30:
It's been about two years now, and I don't know, one day, you know, I'm on a breast cancer survivor dragon boat team.
Harry Duran 00:03:38: Okay.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:03:39:
And I am the voice, kind of for the team. I do a lot of the fundraising because we're a nonprofit. We're always trying to raise money and everything, and I just love talking to survivors. And then one day I just said, you know, I'm going to do it. I didn't even ever listen to a podcast, which. And then I decided to do it, and I had a local guy help me edit them, and he had a little studio so I could go there, do the podcast with the girls. And it was right across from where I practiced on the lake, so it worked out really good. And then he closed up shop. So then I had a long hiatus of, like, what am I going to do now?
Harry Duran 00:04:14:
Yeah.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:04:15:
And so. But now I'm back and excited.
Harry Duran 00:04:18:
So what was the original premise for, you know, what was the concept for the show when you started?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:04:24:
Hasn't changed. It hasn't changed. It's all about interviewing survivors and thrivers of breast cancer. And if one person listens and gets help from it and understands that maybe their diagnosis is scary today, but they're talking or hearing about somebody else's journey, maybe they'll, you know, feel a little bit better about what's happening to them because it's a scary journey when you've got diagnosis of breast cancer.
Harry Duran 00:04:53:
Yeah. So what was it about that experience that made you want to realize that it's important to have these conversations? Were you seeing other people doing this or did you feel like there was a need for this?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:05:04:
I think there's always a need. I'm a four time cancer survivor, so I know when I was going through all that, I didn't have somebody to chat with. And so now I'm with the camaraderie of my team and that has really helped me step out of my comfort zone and speak to others about their journeys.
Harry Duran 00:05:24:
Did you have any inspiration for what the format would be or were you listening to podcasts?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:05:29:
I just figured we would talk just like you and I are doing right now. Just talk.
Harry Duran 00:05:34:
And how many episodes have you recorded so far?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:05:37:
20, maybe 25. Not many. I was trying to do at least one or two a month and then I, like I said, I didn't do it for almost a year and now I'm just getting back. So I've already done two this this past month. So I'm on a roll.
Harry Duran 00:05:50:
So think about when you started your first one. Did you just turn on the mic and started talking about your shared experiences or did you have some thoughts about like maybe this is a couple of questions I want to ask.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:06:02:
Well, I did a little, I did a little research on YouTube just like what, you know, what are you doing in a podcast? And then I learned that you got to make it quiet and all the things that go with it and you got to have a padded room. And then I realized going to the studio of my friends that it what you need. And I don't know, I just kind of, I really, I'm, I'm a wing. I wing everything. And they don't like to do that because my husband, everybody gets mad. Like, Justine, you need to focus, you need to format it, you know, and that's just not who I am. I want to just be organic and talk to you.
Harry Duran 00:06:40:
And so no, not at all. Because it's something like one of my coaches talks about. Perfect is the enemy of done right. Some people wait for the right moment to get something done. And I think that they way too long, especially in the podcasting space. There's some famous podcasters who record their first episode and then hold onto it for a year. But it seems like, you know this, your modus operandi has been like just you'll figure it out on the way.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:07:04:
That's me. I'll figure it out. And I discovered this, like, that other platform that I really liked. I discovered that by accident. And actually one of the guys at the show was telling me he does a podcast, too, and he told me what a couple of ones that he uses. So I just looked them up, figured out how to do it.
Harry Duran 00:07:26:
Was your attendance at PodFest the first time you ever been around a podcast community?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:07:29:
Yes. Yes. Yeah.
Harry Duran 00:07:31:
Talk about that experience. What was that like?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:07:33:
Podfest was. Well, I was invited by. Was it Buzzsprout? No. What's the. There's a duck logo. I can't recall at the moment, but they invited me to go, so I didn't have to. And I'm local, so, you know, it was no problem. I've been wanting to go. It was good. It was good. I didn't know where to start. I just kind of introduced myself, gave out some cards, and figured out what most people were doing.
Harry Duran 00:07:56:
Yeah.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:07:57:
Yeah.
Harry Duran 00:07:58:
Was there anything that you learned you're able to apply to your show?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:08:01:
Yes and no. Not really. Yes, of course there was, but I can't really pinpoint what that was. But I enjoyed going. And next time I'll go again and really immerse more into the steps that they do. Besides. And of course, I'm all about the exhibitor side because that's what I do.
Harry Duran 00:08:21:
Yeah.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:08:21:
When I should have went into more of the sessions, which I did not do.
Harry Duran 00:08:25:
Yeah, the sessions are really helpful, of.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:08:27:
Course, for some podcasters. Yeah.
Harry Duran 00:08:29:
So have you noticed anything since you started with the first episode and now you said you're on episode 20? Have you changed how you speak to your guests, how you prepare for your guests, or even, like, the format and the pacing of your.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:08:40:
Well, I did start a questionnaire that I do send them, you know, about their journeys, and then I kind of just read off of that. I'll ask the question that they've replied with. And yeah, I really haven't changed anything. I really need to learn more and to polish my gig, you know, I really need to do if I want to be success at it.
Harry Duran 00:09:01:
That's true.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:09:01:
And that's my downfall. You know, I'm in this mess of a room here, and I just need to focus.
Harry Duran 00:09:09:
So as much as you're willing to share, can you talk a little bit about your experience with cancer and what that journey was like and how you're able to make it through that?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:09:16: Well, when I was 18, I had just moved to Miami, and my mom and I were going to stay in Miami, and my brother lived there. And we were at my brother's house, and I had this bad cough, and next thing you know, he couldn't take it. And we went to the emergency room, and next thing you know, I was diagnosed with Hodgkin's disease.
Harry Duran 00:09:35:
Okay.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:09:36:
And they did so much radiation and chemotherapy on me at the time. I was 18. I'm 66 now, so we're talking a long time ago.
Harry Duran 00:09:45:
Yeah.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:09:46:
And 20 years later, I developed my first breast cancer from all the radiation that they did to me, which they don't do anymore to people.
Harry Duran 00:09:53:
Yeah.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:09:53:
So what they did was pretty, you know, was barbaric back then, but it saved my life, if that makes any sense.
Harry Duran 00:10:01:
Yeah.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:10:01:
Yeah.
Harry Duran 00:10:02:
So did you go through four cycles of that?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:10:04:
Well, I first had my Hodgkin's disease at 18. Twenty years later, I had my first breast cancer. And then I think it was five years later than that, I had another and the other breast. Then it came back. So it's, you know. Yeah.
Harry Duran 00:10:20:
How has that changed your view about life? You know, when you go through that and maybe even through the conversations, like, talk about your experience, you know, in terms of how you view life now.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:10:32:
Oh, I view life as. Live life like you're dying, and, you know, if I want to jump out of that airplane, I better do it. And I did it. So, you know, you're going to go one day.
Harry Duran 00:10:43:
Sure.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:10:43:
So it all depends on how you go. So I want to just live like I'm dying. Live life like you're dying.
Harry Duran 00:10:49:
That's interesting. And how has that affected your relationships with your family and friends?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:10:55:
Well, it's mostly my husband, and he's living life like he's dying, too. So he's with me 100%.
Harry Duran 00:11:01:
Yeah.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:11:02:
Yeah. We both experienced. We don't want to be afraid of anything. We just want to feel as best we can and live the adventures. We love to travel and just live life. And you've got to, because, you know, you never know what tomorrow brings, really. Don't.
Harry Duran 00:11:19:
Very true. And so are there any other items on your bucket list?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:11:24:
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, I want to do the Great Wall of China. That's on my list. And we're going to head out to Albuquerque, hopefully, and do the big balloon fest. I want to do that.
Harry Duran 00:11:34:
Yeah.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:11:35:
Yeah, those are on my list. The Great Wall of China is on my list. And maybe do an Antarctica trip. I don't know. We'll see. Or Africa safari.
Harry Duran 00:11:44:
That'd be Fun, for sure.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:11:45:
Yeah. Wouldn't it?
Harry Duran 00:11:46:
Yeah. So how do you research people for this show? Like, what do you look for? Or how do you get connected with future guests?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:11:54:
Well, like I said, I'm on a breast cancer survivor dragon boat team. Do you know what a dragon boat is?
Harry Duran 00:11:58:
I. I know what a dragon boat is. Yeah. So there's one. It's usually on a lake or on a.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:12:03:
On a lake. And my team is not just a few miles down the road.
Harry Duran 00:12:07:
So it's a rowing team, isn't it?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:12:09:
Or it's paddling. We paddle.
Harry Duran 00:12:10:
Paddling, Paddling.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:12:11:
We sit two women side by side, 20 of us in a boat.
Harry Duran 00:12:14: Wow.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:12:15: Yeah. And we rate. We practice twice a week on the lake. And then we. Like next week, and we're going to Leesburg, Florida, and there's a big race there, so we'll be competing against other survivors and other c. Women teams.
Harry Duran 00:12:31: Okay.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:12:32:
Yeah.
Harry Duran 00:12:32:
Okay.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:12:33:
So I am surrounded by breast cancer survivors, so I never have a lot of that. So I haven't done everybody on the team yet, so they're all waiting for me to get them on there. And then you meet people. You know, I just did a. I really did a really good. I thought a podcast, and she's a survivor of. She's had a terrible story. Her story is Outside of God's Umbrella, and she was roofied and.
Harry Duran 00:13:00:
What's God's umbrella?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:13:02:
That's her. She wrote a book, and it's called Outside of God's Umbrella.
Harry Duran 00:13:06:
Okay.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:13:06:
And she's an old friend from the convention business. She lives in Michigan, and I asked her if she wanted. Because she's a survivor.
Harry Duran 00:13:14:
Yeah. That's okay. What's your dog's name?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:13:18:
I just got him about a week and a half ago. His name is Buddy. Yeah.
Harry Duran 00:13:21:
Okay.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:13:21:
He's a love bug. He's a love. I'm sorry.
Harry Duran 00:13:24:
No, that's okay. That's what happens with podcasting. I always enjoy it when it happens because. And I welcome it because, as most podcasters know, like, there's no perfect environment. And we're not trying to pretend to be like a radio station here. So I've had.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:13:36:
And you look like it. You look so professional with your microphone there and everything. And I'm like, I want to do that, but I want something to come in and help me do it. That's what I need.
Harry Duran 00:13:45:
I'll help you with some of that.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:13:46:
Okay, good. That'd be great. But anyway, that's where I'm at, so I have enough.
Harry Duran 00:13:51:
So you speak about your Friend that wrote the book undergoing some sort.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:13:54:
Yes, she wrote this book. She was roofied, and underneath, while she was out of it, she met this guy at the dog park while she was out of it. He must have driven her car or something, and they hit somebody and somebody was killed.
Harry Duran 00:14:09:
Oh, my God.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:14:10:
Yeah. She woke up and she went to see her garage, and she saw her car there, but she saw that there was. The window was broken, and poor thing spent nine months in jail, and she had no recollection, but she knew it was her car.
Harry Duran 00:14:24:
Wow.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:14:25:
Yeah, That's a crazy story. Yeah. Yeah, it's a great story. So, you know, I'm not only sticking with this, but a survivor's a survivor. So. Yeah, that's when.
Harry Duran 00:14:34: So that's. That's the general theme. Anyone who's kind of survived, like, a really harrowing experience.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:14:39:
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Harry Duran 00:14:41:
What do you notice is, like, the common, like, thread when you speak to these folks? You know, after several conversations, you know, is it about resilience or, you know, what seems to come through as common themes?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:14:54:
How strong. Strong we are as people. We're all so strong.
Harry Duran 00:14:59:
Yeah.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:14:59:
That to overcome stuff like that, you know, you could sit in a corner and curl up and die or.
Harry Duran 00:15:07:
Yeah.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:15:07:
What's your alternative? But live life like you're dying, you know?
Harry Duran 00:15:11:
Yeah. Have you ever thought of adjusting the name of the show to speak more to, like, these stories of survival or perseverance or.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:15:19:
No, I never did. Well, you think that's something I should consider?
Harry Duran 00:15:23:
Yeah. You're open to, like, a little bit of coaching right now on the air.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:15:26: A
lways. Always. I'm always open to coaching.
Harry Duran 00:15:30:
So when we think about this, when we work with new clients, one of the things we want to make sure is, as you can see with my show, it's called Podcast Junkies, and the second one is Vertical Farming Podcast. So a lot of the times you want to speak to specifically what a potential listener, viewer is going to get from this podcast. So if you think about stories of survival, you know, that could be with Justine or, you know, how people have persevered through challenging times. You know, it's really just a function of thinking about, like, if you thought about. If I had you now, go back, since you've done 20 already, and go listen to those episodes, and you think about what the common theme was across all those 20 episodes. What are some, like, keywords that come to mind?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:16:11:
Strong survivors, Thrivers. They become a thriver afterwards. You know, if they can get through it, they're thrivers. They're not only survivors, but yeah, they're living their best life, I think.
Harry Duran 00:16:24:
Yeah. So that's, if you think about that, that could lend itself well to like the podcast. You could say survivors and thrivers living their best life.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:16:32:
Exact. Well, you know, I do say some of that in my opening a little bit, you know, but yeah, I like that. Survivors and survivors living their best life.
Harry Duran 00:16:41:
Because now when people see the title, they get a picture of like, oh, yeah, I'm a survivor, I'm a thriver, and I'm living my best life. And it's kind of like a little bit of keywords as well, because when you think about, you know, those are one of the fields that are very SEO friendly, like the title of a podcast. So when people are in Apple and people are in Spotify, and inevitably, if you make it to YouTube, you know, these are the types of things, you know, survivors podcast or thriving or like, you know, living my best life or something. So these are keywords.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:17:06:
Where do you. Okay, but where do you change that?
Harry Duran 00:17:09: I mean, who do you host with?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:17:12:
Buzzsprout.
Harry Duran 00:17:13:
Okay, so Buzzsprout, basically what you do is when you log into buzzsprout, you can change the name of your show. So right now you have just talk with Justine. You would replace that with survivors and thrivers living your best life. And that.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:17:24:
Because I do put that in like a little. There is like a little.
Harry Duran 00:17:27:
The tagline. Yes, but I don't think that's not enough. It's not. Field is not visible to. If you, what you want to think about this strategically in terms of, like, how it's visible to, like SEO search engines or when people are typing in a name in Apple or Spotify, they're going to look to the name of the show first. Right. So they're going to look for if someone's putting in Survivors or Thrivers. You know, like, if in your show is called Survivors and Thrivers, you type that in, then your show would immediately pop up there. So that would be the first recommendation to kind of think. To think about that as well. And then the other thing to think about is when you name your episodes currently, are you writing show notes or are you doing summaries for your show? What are you doing now?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:18:13:
I need you to help me. But my question is. So back to that name thing. I like that idea, but do I change that per episode or do I keep it?
Harry Duran 00:18:23:
No, that's the name of the show.
Yeah, that's the name of the show.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:18:25:
That becomes the name of the Show. So just Talk with Justine kind of becomes obsolete.
Harry Duran 00:18:30:
Yeah. Because you're going to. What happens is.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:18:32:
Can I use that as a tagline?
Harry Duran 00:18:34:
No, no. Because typically what you would have is Justine Finnicario Doles as the host of the show. So it'll show up in Apple and Spotify, it'll say, survivors and Thrivers, living your best life. And it'll say, justine, as the host of the show. So your name will be there. And then obviously, you can also figure out how to revise the COVID art. So it has, you know, could have your photo on there, Survivors and Thrivers, and it could have your name. So it's basically just a bit of a rebrand and it shouldn't be too much. When you created the artwork, did you use a tool like Canva to create it?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:19:05:
No, a friend of mine actually created the artwork a long time ago.
Harry Duran 00:19:08:
Yeah.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:19:09:
Yeah. Do you recall it? Do you know what I'm. What it looks like?
Harry Duran 00:19:12:
Yeah, it's pink, right?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:19:13:
Yeah, it's a pink. Or like a cartoon gal. Yeah, she's got her hair real curly. I love it.
Harry Duran 00:19:18:
Yeah. Okay. Yeah, you could still use that. You know, it's just a matter, because you could take pieces of that and then do it as the rebrand. And you can even keep the same colors, the pink and everything like that. So visually, from a branding perspective, you could keep everything the same. And it's just, I think, a name. Because if you say just Talk with Justine, it sounds like a talk show that talks about anything. Right. And what you're trying to do, if you're really like. I feel like it's your mission, from what you've described in our brief chat when we met, that, you know, you really want to get the word out about these people and tell their stories. So you have to make it visible. You know, you have to put your marketing hat on. And saying, how can I get more people to learn about these stories and Survivors and Thrivers. Seems like it's something, because when I asked you for the.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:19:57:
No, you're right. I use that term. I use Survivors and thrivers.
Harry Duran 00:20:01:
That's the theme a lot.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:20:02:
So I like that. I'm going to figure that part out. I'm definitely going to do that.
Harry Duran 00:20:08:
And so you think about. You have the name Survivors and Thrivers, and then obviously we could look at the description as well, to refine that, because if you're. If you've been through a challenging point in your life and you're struggling or you come out on the other end and you Feel like you're now thriving, living your best life. This is the place where you hear stories of people who had gone through this journey. So kind of like talk about it. So when you think of how people discover podcasts, they're looking at the name, they're looking at the COVID art, and then they're going to go read the description. So you have to make sure all these kind of things are working together to pull people in to say yes. And then what they're going to start to do is start to look at your episodes. So if you look at your past episodes, do you typically just name them with like the name of the guest and that's it?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:20:49:
Well, I put a little tagline about their story. Like this last one was Outside of God's Umbrella, the story of being Roofie, pretty much. I put a couple of her talking points in there and I'll tell you, it worked. She's got a lot. I already got a lot of downloads in the last couple of days.
Harry Duran 00:21:07:
Okay, good. Yeah. So those are little things you can do each title. The title of a podcast episode is also like an SEO friendly field. So, like, as descriptive as you can make it, you know, a lot of times people might not recognize the name, but like, how I survived being roofied and overcame, you know, harrowing jail experience, you know, because people are like, whoa, what is that about? Like, I want to learn more. So you kind of like, almost like tease it. Like be as descriptive as possible in that title of the podcast episode to really tease. And again, what you're trying to do is pull people in to each of these episodes.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:21:39:
It makes sense. Yeah, that's awesome. I will definitely relook at that.
Harry Duran 00:21:43:
And then when you do the recording on, if you're going to do Riverside, you're obviously going to have better quality audio.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:21:48:
That's another problem. I've been doing it on Zoom and I have not started doing it on the Riverside yet. Do you suggest I do Riverside? Do it right directly?
Harry Duran 00:21:58:
Yeah. Similar to what we're using now, Squadcast. It records both sides of the conversation. Now, when you have an episode published, are you editing everything yourself? Now?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:22:08:
The last one I did. The last two on Riverside, I did. I edited it myself.
Harry Duran 00:22:14:
Okay.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:22:15:
So sorry.
Harry Duran 00:22:16:
That's okay.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:22:17:
My God, I'm really the best. I'm the worst. I'm so sorry.
Harry Duran 00:22:22:
That's okay.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:22:23:
Yeah, So I will definitely. So you suggesting I definitely interview and video through Riverside?
Harry Duran 00:22:33:
Yeah.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:22:33:
Get out of Zoom.
Harry Duran 00:22:35: Yeah.
And so when you did the editing, where were you doing the editing?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:22:39:
Well, what I did was I brought it over into. I uploaded it into Riverside, and then there's a thing where you can edit.
Harry Duran 00:22:46:
Okay. So they're allowing you to upload.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:22:48:
It was a free thing. Yeah. So I. Yeah, they let me upload it.
Harry Duran 00:22:52:
Okay.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:22:52: Y
eah.
Harry Duran 00:22:53:
And you feel comfortable with the editing process?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:22:56:
Well, now that it's transcripted for me, and as I'm listening to it, I'm reading it.
Harry Duran 00:23:02:
Yeah.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:23:02:
And they can hear the ums and what needs to come out and what doesn't. You know, how many times I coughed or how many times they coughed.
Harry Duran 00:23:09:
Of course.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:23:10:
That kind of thing.
Harry Duran 00:23:11:
Yeah, that is helpful.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:23:12:
I may not have done great, but for the first time, I was super proud of myself that I actually got that far. Yeah.
Harry Duran 00:23:18:
And then when you publish the episode, what materials do you create? From a marketing perspective?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:23:23:
Not a lot, because all I did really was bring it back over to buzzsprout and they send it out to the certain platforms. So I've been wanting to do that. That was another thing. I want to upload it to YouTube, because I am videoing them as well. Yeah, I need to do that. Which I haven't done yet, but those are the little things. I like that. Yeah.
Harry Duran 00:23:45:
Yeah. And those are little things you can do along the way. And so what you want to do is like, what I always tell my students is, like, you just kind of 1% better every day. Just kind of like, what did you do this week to move the podcast forward a little bit? And do you have a website as well?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:23:58:
No, I don't. I don't. That I need to do, too.
Harry Duran 00:24:02:
And there's an easy tool that I love recommending that we set up our. You know, we set up our clients with, and we set up students with. It's called PodPage.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:24:09:
Pod page.
Harry Duran 00:24:10:
Yeah. I'll send you the link. I'll have a referral link, and I'll send it to you. The beauty of PodPage is that it creates the website. You create the website once, and you put in your branding, and then you connect your RSS feed from buzzsprout. And what happens is when you publish on buzzsprout, it automatically creates a blog post on the website.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:24:26:
Oh, wow.
Harry Duran 00:24:27:
Yeah. So it does it. So you just have to set it up once, and there's a. Pay that monthly fee, and then it's a website that basically runs itself, because as you publish new content, it'll publish stuff on.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:24:36:
Oh, my God, I love that.
Harry Duran 00:24:37:
Yeah. Yeah. So that's helpful as well. So you always want to think about all this starts to work together. Because when you have a call to action, you can tell people, just go to the website, you know, so you can say, you know, survivors and thrivers.com or just. It could be a simple, you know, website. So it's always helpful if and when you decide to rebrand to look for a, you know, a related URL that you can just grab and own. And that way it's easy now when you're talking to people.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:25:05:
So much sense. Yeah, yeah.
Harry Duran 00:25:07:
Because remember, people are listening and they just want to take the next step. And so obviously.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:25:10:
Right.
Harry Duran 00:25:10:
What is the next search for survivors and thrivers? And so when you think about how you want to, like, build this relationship, you obviously you're doing this for the purposes of having these conversations. But let's say, do you have goals for where you want this show to be? If we're having this conversation 12 months from now, let's say, what would you.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:25:27:
Have somebody help me sponsor it or. Yeah, that'd be lovely. But right now I just want to get through the necessities that's on my mind. Of course, but that's not my main goal.
Harry Duran 00:25:39:
And do you have relationships based on all your experiences through the past years of companies, affiliations, associations, organizations that have. That I could reach out to or supported to?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:25:50:
Yeah, not yet. Not as I do have them and do know of who I would reach out, but I have not reached out to any of them. Yeah, because I work with the cure bowl here. I mean, I work with a lot of. And I know a lot of people in the healthcare industry because of that. Yeah, but, yeah, no, yeah, it's really.
Harry Duran 00:26:08:
Just a function of putting that process and that plan in place and may just be, you know, there could be an opportunity to stay with your current host or there's other hosts that allow for, like, for you to insert ads, dynamic ads as well. And I think buzzsprout does some that you may be able to add your own stuff as well. I don't know if they've talked about that, but that's something to think about.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:26:28:
They're upgrading themselves. I don't know. I don't know.
Harry Duran 00:26:31:
So it's important, but it's possible because you're having these conversations now. You have companies that, you know, support these types of missions and they're interested in these types of conversations and they want to support you. So especially if you have a working relationship with them, a lot of times you can say, hey, would you like to sponsor my first season? And as Opposed to them just sponsoring, like, onesie twosie episodes. Hey, here's 50 bucks. Here's 100 bucks. You know, you really want to. I always have this mantra for my second show, Vertical farming podcast. Treat your sponsors like gold. So you develop these relationships and then you record a commercial. Like, you record. You say, hey, this episode's brought to you by this organization. I've worked with them in the past. They're really fantastic. I love the work they do for the community. So now it's you. It's called a host red ad. You know, your sponsors hear that and they see that you're, you know, you sort of bend over backwards.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:27:18:
Sure, sure.
Harry Duran 00:27:19:
And then what you do is you go on all your socials, you know, if you're on LinkedIn, if you're on any of the Instagrams, you're say, just partnered with this company to be a sponsor of this. Of my show. Like, I really love them. And this is.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:27:30:
That'd be cool. Yeah.
Harry Duran 00:27:31:
And they see, you know, you can do things that marketing companies, you know, you have to put kind of put yourself in the mind of a marketer and saying they want visibility and if they can go buy an ad in a newspaper or, you know, they'll get one run of that and that's it. Right. But now this new medium, relatively new podcasting, you know, is interesting to them because now you can, like, personalize the ad and you can post it on different places and you can mention it. You know, you can tag them in socials, you can Tag them on LinkedIn when you post.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:27:58:
Nice.
Harry Duran 00:27:59:
And they see that and they're like, wow, it's.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:28:00:
That's a great idea.
Harry Duran 00:28:02:
Really, like working with Justine because she goes above and beyond. So.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:28:04:
Yeah, yeah, I love all that. That's awesome. That is really good. That is good advice, really.
Harry Duran 00:28:12:
And so, like, when you think about, like, how you want to grow it and what are aspects for you as the podcast host, where you want to improve.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:28:22:
You'Re asking me that question?
Harry Duran 00:28:23:
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:28:24:
Oh, you know, I just, from what I'm saying, I have a lot of improvement. I really need a lot of it. I need help. I lack a little bit of self confidence in this genre here. You know, if I was working at a trade show, it wouldn't be no problem, but, you know, I don't know if I have the proper voice, you know, those kind of things. There's a lot of insecurities that I have, but I'm going to overcome them and just talk.
Harry Duran 00:28:47:
Absolutely. So, yeah, a Lot of people refer to that as poster syndrome. Right. Because they hear other people speaking. But I think the fact that you've started the show is a testament to. To getting like you got past the initial hump. I mean, and most podcasters, there's something called the pod fading. They don't make it past episode. I think it's seven is the number, you know, where people, like, just burn out. They're like, this is too much. This is too hard. And I think if you think back to, you know, why you started the show, you know, how I've been able to keep podcasting, I just like giving people a voice, you know, I really feel. And I say this all the time, everyone has a voice inside of them that needs to be heard, you know, And I think this is sort of what drives you. And you're. I mean, you didn't know anything about podcasting. You didn't really know even much how to start one, yet you started one. You're 20 episodes in. Because I think what you're realizing, and correct me if I'm wrong, is when you have these conversations now, you're giving your guests a voice, you know, and you're finding your own at the same time.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:29:42:
Absolutely. And, you know, they all hesitate to get on there. And then once they start talking, they're like, oh, my God, that was so easy. You know, I enjoyed it, you know, and I love that. I love when they say stuff like that. So, yeah, they said, see, it wasn't that hard. If I could talk to you, you could talk to me. We can do this.
Harry Duran 00:30:02:
Did you listen or did you continue to listen to podcasts for other interview shows or types of shows for inspiration?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:30:07:
I have. I don't know why I haven't.
Harry Duran 00:30:10:
That's okay. Because I think. Would your friends describe you as a natural conversationalist?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:30:15:
Maybe. I don't know about a natural conversation. I think they just. I want to make people feel at ease. That's my main thing. I don't want anybody to feel nervous and talking, you know, about, because we're talking about personal stuff like their breasts are gone, you know, and they've got tattoos on their nipples. And that's a hard thing to talk about sometimes. And my goal is to make them feel at ease.
Harry Duran 00:30:38:
Where does that come from? Why do you want to make people feel at ease?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:30:41:
Because I know what it's like. I don't want to be uncomfortable. I would. I pretend it's me that they're. You know, I just want to be. I want to make that person feel like it's okay to tell me because I understand it and I know what they feel. I know how they feel.
Harry Duran 00:30:58:
Where does this empathy muscle come from for you? Like, did you always have it as a child? Is it something that you can look back and say, and I've always been like. Or is it something that's come over time?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:31:06:
I don't know. I don't know where it came from. I don't believe I was always so empathetic as I may be now. I don't know. Talking to people, just. You learn so much about people. You know, people are so strong. Our bodies are amazing, you know, and I don't know, you know, I interviewed a gal that's a real advocate in the breast cancer field, and she's big on LinkedIn and the breast cancer and the health insurance and all of that. And, you know, I get more power to her. She actually reached out her. She had a. An agent or somebody that reached out and said, hey, she wants to be on your podcast. And I was like, wow. And she was super great. But I am just the opposite of that. You know, I just want to talk to you. You know, I'll do what I. And if you need me to find something for you, I will find it. You know, that's my goal. I always say that at the end, if you need something, write me, email me, text me, whatever you have to do, and I'll help you. Yeah, I'm not going to talk about the insurance bad. You know, that's not my thing. That's not.
Harry Duran 00:32:07:
You just want to get their stories out.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:32:09:
That's it. Yeah. Because somebody's going to hear it and say, wow, if they can do it, I can do it. That's what the goal is. And right now, more and more women are younger, getting diagnosed, and, you know, some have family, some don't. And if you don't have that support system, man, that sucks. Really does, you know.
Harry Duran 00:32:29:
Are there any other stories that. From the ones you've heard? I'm sure they're all powerful, because if they're survivors and thrivers, like, you know, extremely powerful stories.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:32:37:
Yeah. What some people have been through, I mean, I had it pretty bad, but I didn't have it half as bad as some of the gals I've talked to. So, I mean, I'm still standing upright. That's all that matters at this point.
Harry Duran 00:32:49:
How do you hold space, Justine, for these conversations? Because, you know, most of the stuff we talk about on this show is, you know, we don't try to get too deep or, you know, occasionally something will come up and people will be describing something about their childhood and, you know, they start to get a little bit of emotional, but for the most part, you know, it's. We keep the energy pretty high, but for these conversations, they can get pretty heavy. And so, you know, you have to hold that space. And I, I imagine this, there could be some tears in some of these conversations when they're talking through this. And you know, I don't know if other than this experience you've had with the podcast, if you've had, you know, training on how to have these tough conversations, but how do you think about or how have you grown to like, learn how to build this muscle of just like.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:33:30:
Well, I'm trying to learn. Excuse me, I didn't mean to interrupt you, but I'm. See, that's one of my problems. I'm trying to be a better listener. That is a better listener. And not interrupt. That's my. And I'm thinking about going to Toastmasters to learn how to talk better. You know, I don't know, what do you think?
Harry Duran 00:33:47:
I think what's important in what I've learned over the years in terms of doing the podcast interviews again, it's this point of being a good listener and also being comfortable with empty space. A lot of times early on I would ask a challenging question and you know, and I know it would require a thoughtful response. And that's why I've loved video from day one. I was using video way back in 2014. I was using something called ECAMM with call recorder with Skype kind of. Oh yeah, but I wanted the, I always wanted the video because I wanted the body language. You want the reaction, I'm going to ask you a tough question and the reaction, so what's helpful? And you know, tools like Riverside and Squadcast and Descript can do this now. But like when you ask someone a question, you can see sometimes they want to know if they're in a safe space, you know. And so a lot of times in the beginning it's like light hearted questions. Just want to like set the tone and let them know, like, hey, this is a safe space. And one of the things I do in the beginning, sometimes I'm like, hey, you know, what do you want to, you know, is there anything we shouldn't talk about?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:34:44:
Right, right. I do that. I've announced that.
Harry Duran 00:34:47:
Yeah, so that's helpful. And then also let him know, hey, we're going to be doing video. Right. So you're going to say, we're not recording. You know, this is not live. We're not going to be going live on YouTube, but it'll be out later, and we'll edit it out. But feel the need to repeat a question or take your time with your answers. So all these little things help them kind of relax so that when you get to the point of asking them a challenging question, then you got to let it breathe. Like, ask them a question. And then, you know, I give an example. Yeah. And wait. And sometimes, like, it's challenging because you as a podcast host, you're like, oh, this is dead air. But again, you're not on the radio, so you don't have to worry about it. You could always edit that out later. And I found Justine, like, specific examples. Gary Leland comes to mind. A past guest. He talks about an experience he had when he was a kid, and he was playing around in the yard of his family and his. There was a car in parking lot, and it was unlocked, and he was playing with a friend, and they went in the car and they found a gun under the seats, and. And he took the gun, and he was playing cops and robbers, and he pointed the gun at his friend and he pressed the trigger. Thankfully, the gun was locked.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:35:49:
Oh, my God.
Harry Duran 00:35:50:
Nothing happened. But I'm listening to him tell the story, and he realizes later on, he's like. And then he's like, oh, you know what? He's like, I don't know if I've ever told anyone that story. And it was, like, an amazing moment because I was, like, biting my tongue. Don't interrupt. Don't say anything. Hold the space. Just keep there. And just. I was just watching and I was just waiting and waiting. And you could see, like, he was almost processing something as he was going through the story and realizing, like, wow. Just, you know. And that happens when you create a safe environment, which I'm sure you do for these conversations, where people feel like, oh, I can trust Justine with it, and she'll, you know, have respect for the story and let it sort of come out naturally.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:36:28:
Did you get a lot of downloads on that episode?
Harry Duran 00:36:31: I got some feedback from folks that really, like, appreciated that, you know, and again, you know, it's. It's helpful. So I think I always. The other thing to keep in mind, so, you know, you always want to be curious. Right. So when you're listening to people tell a story, like, you've mentioned several topics, and I'm like, oh, tell me more about that. Tell me more about that. So you have to, like, be coming to these conversations with curiosity, you know, you have to want to know more about these people, and this is why you have them on. And then I always say, there's three people in a podcast conversation. There's the host, the guest, and the listener. Singular. Singular. There's one person listening at a time. Even though you want, like, thousands of listeners, remember, you know, there's people. I'm reaching for my earbuds here. There's people listening to the podcast. There's one person listening. So a lot of times when you think about conversations or they mention a topic or an acronym or an organization. Okay, Justine, for the benefit of our listener, can you explain what a dragon boat is and what you do on there? And, you know, because you. It's almost like you're in a restaurant or bar. You speak, you and your guests are having a conversation, and the listeners pulled up a stool and just like, wow. Sitting there watching. Think about it.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:37:36:
Interesting. That is really great, great advice. Yeah, you gotta think about. There's three people, not just you and your guest. You gotta think about who's listening.
Harry Duran 00:37:46:
Yeah.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:37:47:
Oh, my God.
Harry Duran 00:37:48:
And a lot of that is the inspiration you provide. And then what you start to see, you open this up, then your guests, you know, feel connected with you, and they, you know, they want to share something with you as well. So I think a lot of times there's some prep work you can do for your guest, but I think overall, it's important to create the safe space. And I think as you start to do that, what I would advise you to do is also think about, like, a dream. 100, like, who. Make a list of, like, who are the hundred people that I would. Just go as high as you want, you know, who are the people that have stories of surviving and thriving that I would love to have on the show? And then the other thing you can do. So that would be one recommendation, like, make that list so that you have it. Put it up in front of your, you know, your wall as you're doing these interviews.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:38:31:
You know, that's a great idea.
Harry Duran 00:38:33:
And then remember that, like, that's your North Star. Like, you. In order. You want to get visibility, you start to, like, have these conversations, and you can be seen as the person that holds space for these conversations, and that motivates you. Like, okay, like, I want to. Who else has a story that I can serve as the. Like, the condom?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:38:49:
I already have a couple people in mind right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Harry Duran 00:38:53:
So that's really important. And then really thinking about, you know, after you're having these conversations, what type of follow up can you create? And I'll give you some guidance when we're offline, but basically once it's published, you'll say, let's say you had someone named Susan on the show. You'd be like, hey, Susan, thanks for coming on the show. Here's the materials we created. Here's a link to your show. Here's a link to YouTube. Here's some copy you can put on your socials. Here's some graphics we created. So you give them. You know, I always say treat your guests like gold. Like, because they've given you an hour of their time.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:39:22:
Sure, sure, sure.
Harry Duran 00:39:23:
You don't want them fumbling around on Apple or Spotify to try to find a link to their episodes.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:39:28:
No, I usually send them the link. I do that.
Harry Duran 00:39:30:
Yeah.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:39:31:
And then I send a thank you note. I send them a thank you card. But yeah, yeah. I like your other idea, though. Use some of this for social media. Yeah, it's a great idea.
Harry Duran 00:39:41:
Well, I'm glad we had a chance to connect because I wanted to just learn more about what you were doing and I got the sense from your energy that you're really, like, passionate about, you know, everything you do. But specifically, like, you know, why you started this podcast and I got to connect.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:39:54:
Yeah, me too. You are such an inspiration and all your ideas are so great. So how can I follow up with you on some of this stuff? So I'm going to talk about myself and look up that I can change the name right on Buzzsprout. And then the POD page you're going to send me because I definitely wanted to do a very simple sure page that connects me to my Just Talk. Well, or Survivors and Thrivers, which whatever name I'm going to call it yet.
Harry Duran 00:40:22:
So let's wrap up here and then we'll have a conversation offline. So I usually ask a couple of questions as we wrap up a conversation here.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:40:29:
Thank you.
Harry Duran 00:40:30:
Harry, what is something you've changed your mind about recently?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:40:36:
Recently or just like in our conversation? I'm going to consider my new name in there. Yeah. That I'm going to change. Yeah.
Harry Duran 00:40:43:
Okay. What do you think is the most misunderstood thing about you?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:40:49:
The people think I'm. Maybe they think I'm stuck up or something. I think they might think that, you know, and really not. I'm not stuck up at all. I happen to be pretty nice. I think I have been misjudged. I have been Misjudged in my past, so.
Harry Duran 00:41:07:
Yeah.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:41:08:
But it's all good.
Harry Duran 00:41:10:
Well, I think when people get to know you and they see the work that you do and how this has become your mission later in life, I think they can only see like how open and big your heart is and how you want to do good as well.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:41:22:
Yeah. What do you think about yourself? Do you have that any feeling about that? What, what have you changed yourself lately?
Harry Duran 00:41:30:
I think I've tried to be less stressful about future things that I can't control. Like sometimes I get stressed with my agency that we're not growing as fast or I lose a client and I start to get like a little anxious about it. And so I'm slightly like neurodivergent. Probably some slight ADHD overthinking.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:41:48:
So are you.
Harry Duran 00:41:49:
Try not to be too hard on myself. And I've come back to understanding the importance of like meditation and I'm trying to set aside 20 minutes every morning to just sit inside. Yeah. Because it's really like for someone like me that hasn't overactive mind, you know, it's like it can spiral out of control pretty quickly.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:42:07:
Yeah.
Harry Duran 00:42:08:
Into worst case scenarios. So I'm trying to just be more gentle on myself and realize that like I don't have to have everything figured out and you know, wherever I want to be, I have to act as if I already have it in my life, you know, and what they say, like.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:42:21:
Right. Put it out there.
Harry Duran 00:42:22:
Yeah. Just had, you know, act as if I've already experiencing. I already have everything I need and I should feel and then tie that to an emotion. So if I had everything I need and I was completely taken care of in my life, like, what would that feel like? And you know, my heart would be open. I'd be like, you know, I'd probably have tears of joy and stuff like that. So if you can bring those emotions up, you know, from a spiritual perspective. I've read enough and you know, learn enough to know that like, that's an important like aspect to have and try to maintain on a daily basis.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:42:48:
Absolutely. Well, you are, you're inspiring me right now. So. And you have such a nice voice. You really have that nice sound, that nice voice.
Harry Duran 00:42:59:
So where's the best place to have listeners and viewers connect with you?
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:43:03:
Where's the best place? Yeah, by my email.
Harry Duran 00:43:07:
But okay.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:43:08:
If that's what you're referring to.
Harry Duran 00:43:10:
Yeah, yeah. So what we'll do is. And this is part of like the coaching. Right. Because now people like when you think about it. Like, when you tell people about your podcast, you're like, yes, it should be something simple, like go to, you know, just Talk with Justine. Justine.com or.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:43:22:
Correct. That's what it is.
Harry Duran 00:43:23:
It's. Yeah. So for right now, you could say, just talk with Justine.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:43:27:
Right.
Harry Duran 00:43:27:
And you could have that be what, you know, anything you're doing with the podcast, like that. So it's helpful, Justine. Yeah. And then we'll put any of the socials you sent me or provided in the form. We'll make sure those are all in the show notes as well.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:43:39:
Okay. Awesome. So exciting. Well, I hope we can talk again. I definitely want to pick your brain. And, you know, whatever that you do, you keep me up to date so I can do it as well.
Harry Duran 00:43:51:
Yeah. And your story is very inspirational. I appreciate you sharing it.
Justine Finocchiaro-Doles 00:43:54:
Oh, no, I appreciate you having me on. Thank you.