How AI Enhances Creative Processes in Podcasting – PCI 434

Everyone, welcome to Podcast Insider. I'm Todd Cochran, founder and CEO of Blueberry Podcasting. And I'm Mike Dell, the VP of customer relations here at Blueberry. And I'm Mackenzie Bennett, marketing specialist at Blueberry. We've got a great topic for you today. We wanna talk about how AI has changed our brains and the creative process in podcasting.

You're listening to Podcast Insider hosted by Mike Dell, Todd Cochran, and Mackenzie Bennett from the Blueberry team, bringing you weekly insights, advice, and insider tips and tricks to help you start, grow, and thrive through podcasting, all with the support of your team here at Blueberry Podcasting. Welcome. Let's dive in. We didn't come up with this idea, but someone on our team did. Do do we think our brains have been changed? Say a little bit. Okay. I I I'm leaning towards probably yeah.

Well, I I will admit that

things have gotten easier. Yeah. So, yeah, I guess, from the content go ahead. I think we're ahead of the curve for for some people, specifically the three of us. You know, I think the for me, what it is helped with is the post. It hasn't helped me a lot with the pre. Now I Mackenzie and Mike, I think it's helped you guys a little bit in the pre.

Yeah. But for mine, for my regular show, I know that Rob's been using it for the preplanning a little bit for the new media show, but I don't or Geek and the Central hasn't changed that at all. But I guess, you know, AI is changing the way people approach podcasting

with written content and so forth. Yeah. With, you know, with this show, we use it a lot for preplanning just to, get more ideas of what we're gonna talk about. Well, now we just wing a lot of it, and that's good. But, you know, as far as my personal show, I always do the post. You know, I it helps me with after I've recorded, it it helps me with, you know, show notes. I you know, I don't take and cut and paste or anything, but and, you know, and I use it a lot for images.

That's kind of my my jam there is, you know, having show level images and things like that. But, it it helps in a lot of ways, you know, both with the job and with, with podcasting. The way, we've got it here in the notes is AI and the shift from how to to what to. And it's good that the what to is not as complicated anymore but I still think well, I think the how to is not as complicated anymore but I think still sometimes the what to can be a little bit difficult for some.

Right. Way back when all the podcasters and listeners really were, you know, more techie. They were able to do this stuff because they were interested in the tech of it and not necessarily not as much about the content. Now the content is what's driving all of this, and the tech kind of falls to the background, which is which is good. Yep. I I would definitely agree with that. The the way that I use AI for the podcast is I will definitely go in

and just get some ideas. You know? Whether or not I use the idea, it's got me thinking, which is good. Things evolve from there. And then

I also use this just with, you know, stuff day to day and work is how do I use ChatGPT to organize the 17 different things that are going on in my head about what it is that we're working on right now. And so it's helping organize the show notes, like, beforehand and after. And then, of course, I'm using pie from Blueberry whenever I'm publishing these episodes. So for me, the creative process for the podcast has changed a lot, actually.

And I think it allows a little deeper thinking too in regards to, you know, you can if you're thinking about a topic and I think a lot this happens to a lot of podcasters too And, you know, it it goes into something that I today, I'm interviewing somebody a little bit later that I don't personally know. And I've only listened to a few episodes.

So I've been trying to, you know, I know what I wanna talk to him about because of the referral I got from someone on what he talks about with creators and but I didn't know the extent of the type of content that he's created. So for me, it really has allowed me to kinda dig in a little bit deeper because I was able to use AI to pull out some potential questions. Some I discarded. I probably, you know, created 10 and and deleted seven and then added my own.

So it definitely helped me in this regard. I think something that we shouldn't forget to talk about is how AI is probably making podcasting more accessible for people. You know, if they are trying to do this as a single parent and they're like, I have a very limited amount of time, but I really wanna do this and it's worthwhile. The AI can just take out some of that time that they were spending, or you can use AI because they, you know, maybe they have some type of impairment or something like

that. It's just it's I think it really is probably doing more than I would expect for people in that aspect. Yeah. One thing's for sure is the, you know, coming up with episode art and that kind of stuff. I've used Yeah. Because I I can't draw a stick figure. So for me, it's, you know and it's not the best, but it's good enough, you know. I know how to be able to put some some labels over the top of stuff but and I've gotten better at at creating images as well. So

and I think pie, you know, when we were really looking at what it meant to develop pie, That's where I really learned from my perspective on where AI can help in the podcast creation, post production, social, everything that goes along with and it's really given me a lot of time back. You know, that's the thing that's the most important is I have a better output product now than I've ever had. It's because I got a good transcript. I get a good summary.

So from that perspective, I just I get a lot better output. Yeah. Definitely. With me, it just helps with getting the ideas and, you know, all that stuff. But, yeah, I I'm not the greatest at, building images. So, you know, that works. But, know, you don't wanna take just any old image. So, you know, you you get a few choices and and, you know, you can tweak it. It just makes everything go a little smoother and, yeah, getting time

back. You know, spending hours on writing their perfect show notes, you don't have to do that anymore. You can get the output. You edit it as needed, and you've got decent show notes. You know? And AI, as you keep saying, Todd, this is the worst AI we're ever gonna use. And, you know, I think, you know, I used to really preach hard about and I still do about having good show notes.

But my show notes consisted of one or two paragraphs plus a bunch of links that were going out external and I struggled with those one or two paragraphs. And the the that has changed now. Now I've got more than enough data that comes back from a show summary to be able to have really rich show. Now it takes I have to edit it. It's not perfect, but it's a lot better than I used to do. And I've actually seen improvement in the in the, in the search results and everything else. But,

you know, here's the best thing too. If you if you're considering doing a podcast, if you're new, man, this has just made it so much easier so much easier to get a show. If you have an idea for a podcast and you you know you have a little bit of passion about something, you can probably have your first thirty topics planned out in less than an hour, just using the free chat g p t. And you can have a mission statement and you have goals.

A lot of stuff you can get done in a hurry, which used to take a lot of time and people would get wrapped around the axle and get stuck. So I think it just is it's it's potentially making it a lot easier to create content. But at the same time, you don't wanna sound like a robot. So you need to be able to make sure you put that those personal you know, use it to drive ideas but still, you know, speak from the heart. Don't read from a script.

I think the important thing there is taking your brain dump of podcast ideas that you have and putting it into ChatGPT or Vi or whatever, you know, whatever AI system that you're using to to really put it together for you in a way that you understand. Because if you're if you're giving these prompts enough information of your own, you know, the longer it goes, the more specific it is gonna be to you. And that's how you keep keep it personal while still having AI help

you. Because, you know, if everyone just kinda puts in the same type of thing where they're like, I have I wanna do a fitness show. If five people do that and they just put in this basically the same thing to AI, it's gonna spit out probably the same thing. But if you're putting in those details, that personal information, that that that passion of why you wanna do this, it's gonna give you something that is actually yours and stand out.

Yeah. I I and we're we're getting into just the beginning of some of the really cool tools. You know, it's at some point, things are gonna advance to the point where, you know, potentially, I could have a podcast in Spanish that is in my voice and maybe have the same type of inflections in the near future. Pretty good though.

Yeah. It's getting really good. It's kind of scary good almost Mhmm. To that expect. So but again, I think, you know, creators can focus on their ideas and the messages and work on audience engagement and and it definitely allows some for some experimenting. We've been doing some experimenting here with some new videos that we're putting out,

that are largely scripted. You know, we've actually written scripts for some content that we're putting together and, you know, and we're trying to make sure it stays personalized at the same time. So I think there is a a role if you're trying to do some, you know, some sort of short focus content that really narrow the message, I think it can really help. I you know, anyone can write a script but how many hours are

you gonna spend on it? And you have to, again, have enough input to get the quality output and it takes a little bit of, practice.

And, again, the output isn't always gonna be completely right, so you're gonna have to go in and, you know, whereas it may have took me eight hours to write the script, maybe the thirty minutes of getting a good output from the AI and then spending another hour and having two or three people look at it and go through and edit and change and updates, at least on our team, has allowed us to be able to get that Right. To get that We also have humans

reading it too. So, you know, that that Subject matter experts. Right. Yeah. So it's not like we're just, you know, hitting hitting generate, and there's there's the video. No. We're Mhmm. You know, we're putting people in it, and that's that's the the main thing that, you know because I you know, you get on YouTube sometimes, you'll see videos that are 100% AI voiced and just basically a slideshow with AI created

slides. And, you know, some of the information's good, but it's just, you know, there's something about it that does that it isn't personal. So you wanna keep it personal. I have a tendency to back out of those. Yeah. And it's that same two or three voices that people are using. Yeah. And it's emotionless. It's, you know, very you know, it's like this very and I I don't even know how to describe. Or they're overhyped ones. And it's not a robot. Yeah. It is a little bit bit of a robot.

Like, I I just saw the other day that I think it was listener notes, which is kinda like a directory.

They are taking out podcasts that are a % AI. They're they're, like, they're keeping in shows that are human made using AI voices. But if it's AI a % of the way, they're just taking them out, which I get. And I and I think what we're gonna see and what we have already saw and I saw this more than a year ago. Someone that was doing a, a daily five minute podcast on a specific topic, and he'd written a script. And he did nothing but execute

the script and everything was done. And within fifteen minutes, he had an an audio file that was ready to go publish and he did nothing. He spoke not a single word and, he labeled it as such. You know, it wasn't like he was trying to hide and it was such short in nature. Then you got it refined so good that it actually got a pretty good following because it was just here are five things on this specific topic that we found for today. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, and in and out.

And I thought if I'd had to try to have done that podcast myself, you know, it doesn't matter if a podcast is an hour or ten minutes, you're still gonna have one to two hours of work to get that show out. It just seems like that's the case. It doesn't matter the mon because you're doing prep, you're doing the recording, you're doing any editing, you're doing the posting. You know, next thing you know, it's two hours for a fifteen minute show Mhmm. Where he pushed a button in, like, fifteen

minutes. It was done. So I could see in that instance where he was kind of onto something here, but the whole market could get flooded. I me and Todd can come up with 25 ideas that a bot could do. And is that a value? Maybe if it's a short snippet news or something potentially, but

we'll see. I don't know. I don't know where this thing is headed, but I do know that I'm gonna be definitely more interested in that real voice that is, that has emotion and, you you know, spilling coffee on himself like I just did here a second ago. Seems to be going around this morning. I do wanna talk about video and AI real quick because I've I've given up on the idea that my voice will not be used in AI. Like, that that's just it's gonna be used based on all the episodes that we that

the three of us have out there. Like, it's part of that ecosystem. But video, I know not a lot about in regards to AI, and I'm trying to figure out, like, how exactly would that work for podcasting? Like, are people using other video and then manipulating it for this? Are they, like, putting on are they just, you know, taking something completely new? Like, what are their options? Well, you know, there's some of those avatars

Mhmm. That are out there now, but I think they're still limited in use. At what point do they take, you know, the thousands of hours that I have done video and ingest it and say, hey, Todd. We've got your avatar ready for you. That would be a heck of a marketing thing for someone to do for a creator. And but do I feel comfortable and, you know, I know people are already licensing their voice.

You know, they have a voice for radio or voice for the, you know, for podcasts and they're licensing their voice. I definitely don't think that I wanna be in that situation personally. But who knows where this is gonna go? Sounds a little scary with these avatars and, you know, voice cloning and all that. You know, the people could create something that's that, you know, you didn't say or you, you know, it's not you doing it.

They're already using AI in support where people are doing a voice call and they're talking to to an AI generated thing. I had to call my bank, today, because I had a I'm overseas and I had a credit card issue. So I, you know, I called to say, hey. There was a valid charge. It was an invalid charge. And, you know, I got we got the voice. Tell me what this is about. And I explained and then, you know, it didn't take too long. They said we're

sending you to an agent, you know. And usually, I would be three years ago, how many of us remembers saying agent agent agent agent operator agent agent, you know, 10 times and then still not getting in pressing 0, pressing 0, pressing 0. I think we've all done that and been frustrated. This is probably the first time I had an experience like, oh, no. Here we go. And it actually wasn't too bad. So at some point, we'll have a

virtual mic that people can call. But I think as long as it's disclosed. Yeah. I understand. That is what I care about. At the end of the day, like, I don't care if this avatar person, you know, is smart enough. That's great. But as long as everything is, is across the board with with the original people involved, I guess. That's just that's the difficult part of this.

But it does mean that all of these capabilities, like, that's gonna be a really good thing for for business and specifically, like, small businesses that just don't have the budgets for, you know, many, many employees and stuff like that. Maybe. We'll see. Yeah. We'll see how it goes. Yeah. At some point, it's gonna be really easy to tell, you know, that this no humans touch this. It already is.

And, you know, it'll get better, but there's still gonna be I I I still believe that there's gonna be some tells that you're gonna be able to tell that that's not an actual human doing this. I would say for the next couple of years. But, after that, I think the bets are off. But, you know, maybe, you know, that's they do this conference every year where they, you know, they have this contest of, you know, spot the fed or something like that. It's at one of the hacking events.

And, you know, maybe there'll be a contest at some point to, you know, spot the AI. You know, maybe that will be an an a thing in the future. Time will tell you that. I'm that for my family right now. Like, my my mom still does not know what an AI photo is. She's like, you know, she's got, like, 30% of it correct. So so yeah. When I say we are ahead of the curve in the general population, I definitely think we are. And I think podcasting's as easy as it is, this has just made it easier.

But also you have to learn AI to make podcasting easier with AI. Yeah. We've been working on some stuff, you know, and it's really

you know, our Pod2Vid product transform podcast into YouTube video, it really is not completely automated. But we could, at some point, get that to the point where based upon what we think is your a chapter or a specific topic, we could probably associate some image that we could pick. But right now, we just kinda get it aligned for you so that you can pick some images and and have a pretty clean

process. But I could see where that would get easier over time where we would just do all the work and if you're not doing video but you still wanna have a video podcast out there, you know, just convert and we'll drop in images And kind of like that what you said here earlier, Mike, about Yeah. The voice will be real. That aspect. But I think listeners and video viewers are are gonna seek out the authentic voice. That's one thing we've been saying all along too.

You know, if you there's still gonna be the person that just flips on the microphone and talks into the microphone and then sends it. And I think that's gonna be of value to certain listeners and and video watchers and and whatnot. So, you know, I don't think that's ever gonna go away, but AI can make, you know, some of the processes better. Some of the, you know I guess the big takeaway for me would be, you know, yes. Use them as tools, but it's not gonna do everything for you.

Yeah. Or if they I I just wanna throw in one example of, the Oscars were a couple weeks ago, and Adrian Brody won best actor. And a lot of people were really mad about it, including myself, to be honest, because he won for best actor, and yet they used AI for his accent because he couldn't get it correct. He was playing a foreign actor, and he used they used AI for his accent, like, multiple times in the film.

And so people were up in arms about that, but also at the same time saying, like, if they're allowing this man to win best actor when he didn't give a performance a % by himself, then that is just another way that, like, the Oscars and the Hollywood industry are allowing AI to, like, be involved and, you know, really, really take part in this and it's gonna change all the contracts that actors have. They've all had AI stuff in their contracts for many years now.

I I think though this gives opportunity to folks that are super creative to do some fun stuff. Mhmm. You know, there are some if I had time more time, there would be some crazy stuff that I would be willing to just experiment and put out just to see what happens. So I think for those with a lot of creativity and a little bit of time and a cool idea, probably can create some pretty interesting content that will cross both boundaries.

We'll be entertaining on the audio side and be entertaining on the video side. And, you know, after all, I've I've always said why and I'm doing my video podcast, my true video podcast available on Apple Podcasts and everywhere else. Why do people wanna watch me? And I'm just sitting at my desk with in a little bit of here in The Philippines, I don't have much of a background. I have I'm in an an apartment. But why do they wanna watch? You know, it's why do 30 of the audience wanna watch?

And it's really boils down to I don't know if you guys have ever been asked this question when you go to your doctor. If they are asked, how do you learn best? Do you read? Do you listen? Do you watch? You know, what's what's what's your best way to and I I've always asked that and I've always thought it was well, before when I was younger, I always thought it was goofy. But for me, I'm kind of a both. I'm a listen and read, and other people are are a

are watched. So I think it's just in people's nature to consume content in the way they want to. And there's a time and a place for everything, I think, as well. But as Mike as you were saying earlier, the impact on businesses and creatives are gonna be it's gonna be huge because I think businesses are gonna be able to really put content out quickly with a probably a much smaller team

than than than, you know, it's becomes affordable. I've been using I decided to test for one month the chat gbt pro version. And there's been two or three things that I have done in that pro version that really wowed me. But it probably is not worth continuing doing $200 a month. It was it was enough of a while to say, wow. I might get one or two usages out of this a month that really wows me. But

is it is it worth that? But I think at some point, if you think about the tools that are available, we're gonna be able to turn and burn a lot of valuable content and generate a lot of cool ideas that will help our customers. So not to mention the repurposing of content. Yeah. Because, you know, you you record, you

know, record video, record audio, whatever. You can reuse that on social, reuse it for marketing, re you know, just, you know, lots of lots of ways to reuse the content without as big a tech lift as it used to be. You know? You could always repurpose content, but you had to have somebody going in and cutting and pasting and editing and all that. And with AI, a lot of that stuff's automated.

I think that's what Barry was trying to get across in his blog post is he's like, I have AI to help me get this out to people, but now I get to just solely focus on the content of whatever it is. And then I can use the AI to repurpose it, to market it, to do whatever just like you said, Mike. It's almost like I've got I feel I've almost got a second brain now. That's kinda scary. A weird weird discussion. I've always said I'd love to be cloned.

But, you know, if if I think it'll get to a point where this personal avatar I don't know if you guys have heard me talk about this a little bit but, you know, the more you feed some of these platforms and you actually allow it to learn about you and that's scary in itself, the more the output starts sounding like you, you know. And and I've actually done stuff like, no. That's that's not how that's not, you know, because we have, you know, we have core values here at the company and I like,

no. No. No. No. That doesn't that doesn't follow the core or, you know, that's not part of the goal and you still have to to tweak it. But To guide it. You know? Yeah. But it's it's definitely getting better. So I think we're gonna be able to companies and individuals are really gonna be able to deliver high quality content without needing a big team. But, again, you gotta keep it personal. I think if we as long as we keep that in mind

you know, I don't know. Those of you listening to this show today, I I saw the outline of for this podcast about sixty seconds before we started recording it today. So, you know, again, it's just kind of an outline. So you're getting a real brain dump from the three of us. So That's my favorite Mackenzie, you know, you talk about the for you, what has been the most help? Is it been the preproduction or the postproduction? What's been the what's been the biggest gain?

Originally, I kinda figured it was the the post stuff. You know, like, help me get an image, help me figure out a title, blah blah blah blah. But I think I've changed my mind, actually. I think I'm getting better show notes ahead of time, like, preshow Mhmm. Because I'm doing better prompts. I'm I'm just, like it knows me better. It knows Blueberry better at this point. It knows, like I've asked

it enough times, like, for this podcast. And so it knows the podcast as well that I think I'm getting better results from that and that, like, yes, using pie at the end is super helpful, but I think it's more so just like, oh, that's just saving me time. Like, I could do all of this before, but it was just, like, tedious. This one is more so helping, I think, with better content. Yeah. The the you know, making the outlines, it it makes it a lot

faster to to get the outlines. And, you know, we don't read every word or anything in these outlines. We just kinda take the ideas and run with it ourselves. You know, as I like to say, winging it. And but it gives it keeps us kind of on track, and it's a lot quicker to do it this way than think up 20 bullet points for different, subjects, yourself. You let the AI do it, and then you adjust as needed. And it's really, for preproduction,

really good. Now, like like I've said, my personal show, it's mostly postproduction because I don't really have a layout. I just turn on the mic and talk. And then Right. With the transcript and all the pie stuff at the end, it kinda organizes those, those thoughts, for the for the blog post. But yeah, you know, so it's different use case for different shows.

What what one thing it allowed me to do was always pick, like, on my tech show, I pick a lead story. So there might be 25 stories I'm gonna cover during the show. I pick the lead story. And I and basically I would do my introduction and then I would pop right into the lead story. So but what I've been able to do now is get a short show intro summary of that lead story and I start with that. I go have that because I've got that short summary, I've got something to say about it.

Mhmm. I actually go into the first article right at the beginning of the show, then jump in in my intro, then jump into the rest of the stuff. So it's allowed me to change the format of my show, largely because I didn't have time to do that before. K. Kinda like creating a cold open on

a video. Yeah. And and and and it it really allowed me to to re restack it because what I would do is is I would do the normal show before I did the show and then and and never tell the audience what we're gonna talk about, what was the top topic. And then I would jump into the topic. The first topic would be the the lead but I had never produced had time to write, you know, a paragraph of, you know, today

where, hey. The lead story is, you know, x y and z. So it really allowed me to change my my show intro, quite a bit. So I would say that's the thing. It's helped me in pre well, actually in recording, but not but again, I've gained huge huge huge I mean, huge time savings in the post production piece. I mean, it's like, wow. Shocking how quick I can have that podcast put on the street. Of course, I don't

edit. So, you know, by the time I hit stop record and just do a little bit of leveling, that that shows fifteen minutes. It's out. So, you know, and I think time is money for a lot of podcasters. If they're worried about time, if they if they've had kids, they got a partner, if they they're working a job that's killing them, whatever it may be.

I I think these also give these gives creators the ability to compress the time that they're taking to do their content and still come out with a great product. So, again, I think part of our takeaways here is a has definitely shifted content creation from techno execution to idea generation for sure. Yep. Oh, yeah. For sure. And, you know, it removes some of the barriers to to, you know, get started or continue your show or or your business. I mean, you know, this this bleeds into everything.

And I've even thought about some things that are gonna improve over time with my show on how I can improve it if only the AI did this and it doesn't do it yet. And I said, once this can do this, then I can really up the production to much, you know, just go really, really to a to a higher level. And I think in the end, it's made this show more fun for us at the same time that, you know, there should not be barriers for creating content. No. Definitely not. The thing is is, it

keeps you interested in it. You know, all the these changes, you know, I find, you know, your show like you said, Todd, your show evolves, format. Well, you know, AI could probably help you do the same thing. Yeah. It's just gonna keep evolving and and going back to that lower barrier to entry. I mean, there's there's a multitude of platforms out there that will help you with editing as well, whether audio or video. That's solely AI at

this point. And and for the people who who are really interested in doing the show because they like the content, but they're, you know, they're still really nervous about how to edit it because they do wanna do more than just, you know, maybe cut off the ends. But they're like Right. We don't wanna we don't wanna spend money on this necessarily. Like, at least, you know, a significant amount, AI is probably gonna be helpful in that regard.

I'm sure Descript is helping folks a lot in the editing process for those that are using it. I think you just have to be a little bit careful not to overdo it and finding that happy medium because we put something out recently and I said it didn't sound like Dave breathed. You know, he didn't didn't feel like he took a breath. So we'd we tightly edited something. I said that we need to, you know, the better way is let it expand a little bit.

You know, give give Dave a a microsecond to breathe, you know. Because when it feels rushed, then it is rushed. And then people will, like, I I think it can even drive anxiety. So I'm like, you don't have to go as super super fast. Just get the content out. But, yeah. Let let it breathe a little bit. So You don't wanna necessarily hit the 1.5, speed on your player because Well, you know, you don't want to in that you don't want to replicate 1.5 speed in your editing.

You know? And, you know, that that hundred microseconds of air that you've taken out between words, well, that there's a reason that we speak at the 1.5 to two words per second rate. Yeah. And, actually, I I've actually heard some studies recently. It's very bad to listen at 1.5 too. It it drives your anxiety level. So don't listen at 1.5 too. That seems about right. Yeah. But you have the option in most players.

So Yeah. Here you go. Yeah. And I think, you know, if you're a current podcaster, we definitely definitely want you to try pie. You know, you get 10 free or how many I think we give you five or 10 free uses of each tool. Yeah. I believe it's five of each tool. Yeah. Five of each tool before you have to add Rive. But, you know, you can do a lot of this with chat gbt free some of this stuff too. You can't get, you know, can't get good transcripts that ChatGPT doesn't do that.

But, I think So we have that available? Yeah. So I think there's a huge opportunity here for anyone to play around with it. You know, I'm kind of on the older spectrum at this point in content creator space, and you can teach old dogs new tricks. And, for me, like, Mike, it's I I think it's exciting time. It really, really is. Oh, yeah. Anybody else got anything? Otherwise, we'll close this out for this week. You wanna make the original blog post, it will be in the show notes as well.

Subscribe to the podcast. You know, if you if you'd aren't already, Definitely check out Blueberry's YouTube channel. We're starting to put some long form content up there that is pretty valuable. And, we'll have some tutorials too, some new stuff coming out. And you'll get to see Dave. And let us know if you think Dave's talking too fast on our YouTube channel. So work in progress. So Yeah. Definitely. Well, you know, we we're new to that, that type of content.

So it's gonna take us a little while to get that adjusted as well. Yep. So all good. Thanks, everyone, and thank you all. Thanks for listening to Podcast Insider. Happy podcasting. Thanks for joining us. Come back next week. And in the meantime, head to podcastinsider.com for more information. To subscribe, share, and read our show notes, check out the latest suite of services, and learn how Blueberry can help you leverage your podcast, visit blueberry.com.

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