Welcome to Pod Save America, I'm John Favre, I'm Dan Fifer. On today's show with the election just days away, with the election just days away, the Trump campaign closes with sanitation worker cosplay and a full embrace of anti-vax conspiracy theories. Kamala Harris prepares to rally with Cardi B and continues to hit Trump on abortion and health care.
And because it's our final Friday show before election day, you and I are going to take a look at the battleground map Dan and talk about what we're watching for on Tuesday. You know what I'm watching for? More votes from Kamala Harris. Done, we've done the segment. Let's wrap this up with the outro and we're done.
And then after that, Nebraska Independent Senate candidate Dan Osborne stops by to talk about how he's fought to a tie in one of the reddest states in America and what you can do to help. But first, Donald Trump showed up at one of his final rallies, dressed as a garbage truck driver and delivered a compelling argument to undecided women. And my people told me about four weeks ago I would say no, I want to protect the people, I want to protect the women of our country.
They said, sir, I just think it's inappropriate for you to say, pay these guys a lot of money, can you believe it? They said, well, I'm going to do it, whether the women like it or not, I'm going to protect them. Is there any woman in this stadium that wants to be protected by the president? No, thank you. Of course, Kamala Harris jumped all over this first at a press conference and then during her rally in Phoenix on Thursday, what's listen?
And Donald Trump's not done, did everyone hear what he just said yesterday? That he will do what he wants, quote, and here's where I'm going to quote, whether the women like it or not. He does not believe women should have the agency and authority to make decisions about their own bodies. This is the same man who said women should be punished for their choices.
He simply does not respect the freedom of women or the intelligence of women to know what's in their own best interests and make decisions accordingly. But we trust women. So obviously in the closing days, there's a whole bunch of things you can choose to make news on if you're the Harris campaign, especially with Trump, he and his goons have given plenty of material to the Harris campaign over the last week. But they chose this comment about women protecting them, whether they like it or not.
What does it tell you that the campaign saw an opportunity there? It's three things. One, just tactically you want to be on offense for every minute of this campaign because of the Madison Square Garden rally. Some other things Trump has said and done recently. There is this sort of emerging narrative of, I don't know why it's emerging narrative, but it is in the press coverage of this cycle of Trump saying outlandish things that are politically damaging to him.
That makes it. And now when you write, and the conversation is looks like Kamala Harris is ascendant and Trump is crap in the bed. So that's one, two is obviously this has tremendous echoes of dobs and everything that's in project 2025 about abortion and women's reproductive freedom and women's health care. This is a chance to go with that.
And the third thing is, and it dovetails with some polling that I've seen that clue the Harris campaign has seen as well because it shows up in some of their more recent ads is this idea of extremist like Donald Trump with total control unchecked power controlling your lives really resonates with a real segment of voters.
And one of the groups the Harris campaign is courting at the end here. We talk a lot about these haily Republicans, bullwork Republicans is I think Tim Miller called them on the Wednesday pod. But there's also a subset of that group which are working class white women who disagree who may have some disagreements with Kamala Harris on some issues, particularly some cultural issues, but firmly disagree with the dobs decision and these Republican abortion bands.
And that is a target audience here in the final days. And it's it's pretty clear by now that it's not just Trump who's stepping in it with women and his comments about abortion and his record on abortion. It's a lot of his bros too. So we have a super cut of JD Vance who sat down with Joe Rogan today, I guess for four hours.
And then you're going to hear Charlie Kirk, who's basically running Trump's ground operation or helping to run helping Elon run Trump's ground operation, their forces combined. And then you're going to hear my pal Jesse Waters. Listen, at the very best, if you grant, I think every argument of the pro-choice side, it is a neutral thing, not something to be celebrated.
I think there's very few people that are celebrating. I think it's so just nauseating where this wife is wearing the show at the American hat she's coming in with her sweet husband, who probably works his tail off to make sure that she can go, you know, and have a nice life and provide to the family.
And then she lies to him saying, oh, yeah, I'm going to vote for Trump. And then she votes for Kamala Harris as her little secret in the voting booth. Kamala Harris and her team believe that there will be millions of women that undermine their husbands and do so in a way that it's not detectable in the polling. And if I found out Emma was going into the voting booth and pulling the lever for Harris, that's the same thing is having an affair. That's me. Oh my God. He let him finish your business.
Oh, God, Jesse. That's the sanctity of our marriage. I don't know why you friends with that guy. Emma, vote Harris, wherever you are. In the middle there, Charlie Kirk was referencing this Harris campaign ad that Julia Roberts does the voiceover. And it's these these women are walking to the voting booth and there's a husband there too. And he's obviously like a trumper.
She goes into the booth and she looks at another woman and she sort of just she votes for Harris and the other one votes for Harris and they give the exchange and knowing look and conservatives are outraged about this ad. And then of course there's JD Van saying that women are it's too much that women are celebrating the Dobbs decision because they think it's politically advantageous to them. And then Joe Rogan's like, I don't think people are celebrating.
I don't know if any of that's going to help with women. I don't know what do you think? Doesn't seem that way. And it's or with men, frankly, that that was really interesting part. I only saw the clips. I did not I've not buckled up for the four-hour Joe Rogan JD Vance podcast yet.
Do not intend to. But the way that Rogan in the clips that I saw went after JD Vance on Dobbs and particularly the idea that some of these states would prosecute women for traveling to states where abortion is legal to have abortions. Does speak to that we think of Dobbs entirely or too often I guess primarily in the context of how it is motivating women to become the Harris I just mentioned these working class white women.
But young men too, right? And there have been some ads that address some of those ads are pretty bad but there are ads. And if you remember when Dobbs happened, one of the people who came out and spoke most aggressively about it was Dave Portnoy, the founder of Borsal Sports.
And sort of the he is the leader of the manosphere in a lot of ways along with Joe Rogan. And so yeah, I don't think this is helping with women and I don't think actually a focus on Dobbs helps them with anyone at the end. I think that is purely bad for the Republicans. Yeah, and JD Vance saying that I haven't heard of any of this like there's states all over the place now red states that are considering passing legislation so that women can't even go over state lines to get abortion.
Ken Paxton, the attorney general of Texas is currently has a lawsuit to try to get private medical information from women to see if they've gone over state lines to get abortion, which Liz Cheney brought up in one of her events with Kamala Harris, even though Liz Cheney has said that she's been pro life for most of her career.
So I do think that like the extreme consequences of Dobbs and sort of the level of control that the government now has over women, women's lives, people trying to plan families, medical care that women desperately need if they're miscarrying or it's just I think it's resonating. It has resonated with a lot of people has since 2022. And I don't think closing on that is what the Trump campaign wants necessarily.
We talked a lot about earlier in this campaign about issue salience and what issues are in voters minds to make the decision the economies in most people's minds, but there has been there has been this battle. And for the number two slot between immigration and abortion enduring the peak of the surge of the border and the migrants showing up being busted towns immigration became the strong number to issue by far.
It's been about tied recently and if you have a law, a protracted conversation about Dobbs over the last few days inches up a pointer to here and some of these states that could be the difference. There's been a lot of focus on Trump's apparent polling gains with younger men, but much less on Harris's and Democrats advantage with women, which we've seen show up in polls and election results more importantly since Dobbs.
Do you buy that we may be headed for the biggest gender gap ever as you see in some analyses. It seems very possible that we're going to if not the largest we will have a historic gender gap. That's happening in part because it's two ways right. Gender gap happens because you have movement both directions.
We are if the polls are correct, right, which is the the question looms over everything we say and think that you are seeing a huge surge of young women, gender millennial and Gen Z women to Kamil Harris, but you are seeing Trump make gains with Gen Z men over what Biden and previous Democrats had gotten. So if you have those two things, you're going to end up with the largest gender gap.
It's always hard to tell in the polling and there's been some good large sample youth polls like the Harvard poll, for instance, and NBC did one as well. But a lot of these polls, if you take the under 29 group and then you slice it in half, you're looking at a margin of error of like nine sometimes more. And so it's sometimes hard to get into. If you don't break it down by aging, you just do what is the gender gap between women and men.
So 2020 women went for Biden by about 12 points 56 43. That's like, you know, catalyst pew those are sort of months after the election they get the best read on what happened. So that was 12 points and then men went for Trump by 52 46. That's about four points right. So far the polls right now, because I was looking at the average of all the crosshabs for all the gender splits. Women Harris is winning by about 10 points 53 43. So still still smaller than the Biden margin with women and then men.
So far Trump is 52 44 round eight points. So it is it's actually not bigger right now, at least according to the polls, but these are the polls. These are not the sort of final results. So I do wonder that if like, you know, all of the what we're hearing on the ground, everything we've seen in 20 elections in 22 and 23. If that bears out will especially among women will that gap with that margin get bigger for Harris and then that might help, you know, push her over the edge.
That's that's what we got to see on Tuesday. But there's been a lot of tealy-freezing of the early vote data in terms of gender breakdown. Should we just continue to ignore that early vote early early vote anecdotes. People are writing stories about it in Politico and Demsie signs of optimism with gender in early vote. I don't know. I don't I don't want to indulge. Yeah, it's I think the one person who I think is worth listening to on the early vote is John Ralston from Nevada.
I say that even though his reports for Democrats are not good, but there's a lot going on here that makes the early vote confusing. And you only know party breakdown. And that's not even in every state of who of how many Democrats, how many Republicans voted. Another thing is there is no benchmark to compare things to because 2020 was incredibly unique and since 2020.
Republicans have started voting earlier and you've seen a lot of tried and true stalwart Republican election day voters just vote early. And so for people like you and I and reporters covering it, we don't know what's out of information. The campaign, however, and I think it's worth explaining after you vote, your name is now public is having voted. Does it say who you voted for or for whom you voted, but it is public.
The campaign takes all information. The campaign has a model for everyone listening to this was the United States. The campaign has a model for you. They have two models. They have a support score and a turnout score. And that's based on your vote history. It's both based on your partisan registration. It's both on what any demographic and geographic information they have. Any living in a battleground state, it's probably based on some consumer data they have purchased to understand.
The old days would be the magazine you're subscribed to would be the information you're used in this day. It might be the websites or the things you buy and stuff like TV shows you watch, stuff like that. And then so they rate you on how likely you are to vote for Kamala Harris from a camp score of one to 10. And how likely are you to vote from score of one to 10.
And so the campaigns know in the States, if as plough the very evocative phrase plough use of an army of in cells or turning out for Trump, they know of we are getting our lower propensity voters turning out. And the big mystery is the campaign has a support score for the independent or nonpartisan voters, but they don't know for sure who they're actually for sometimes that support score is six.
Right. So you don't really know for sure what they're going to do. And so even the campaigns don't have a ton of information and they won't know whether their model is right until the polls close and in states like Florida where they dump in all the early vote data and the vote by mail results right away.
And they see those numbers and they'll know whether they correctly calculated support scores and turn out composition. So for people like us, I think you can if you want to read it to look for something positive, go for it. If you want to read it, look for some for doom, that's your choice, but it's really sort of a black box.
Or if you want to just reach out to everyone, you know, and everywhere you can post about why Trump and JD Vance would be horrible for women and issues that women care about, you can do that too. I mean, that's that is another option other than poor. I'm just going to say that for all the things we talk about today, you know, we're so close. All right, as I mentioned, Trump did talk about protecting women against their will while wearing an orange vest.
Why was he wearing an orange vest and because he had just climbed out of a garbage truck, obviously, why was he in a garbage truck? Because a comedian at his Madison Square garden rally called Puerto Rico a floating island of garbage, which led to days of bad headlines, which led to Joe Biden, saying something unintelligible on Zoom that sounded like he might be calling Trump supporters garbage, which has led the Trump campaign to engage in two of their favorite pastimes.
Playing victim and running against Joe Biden. It was a theme Trump hit again on Thursday and an event in of all places, Albert Kirkki, New Mexico. Here he is driving that message and talking about why he made a stop in Albert Kirkki. New Mexico, look, I don't make me waste a whole damn half a day here. Okay, look, I came here. You know, we could be nice to each other or we could talk turkey. Let's talk turkey, okay? First of all, Hispanics love Trump. So I'm here for one simple reason.
I like you very much and it's good for my credentials with the Hispanic or Latino community. Two days ago, Joe Biden called our supporters garbage, you're garbage, you're called all of us garbage. We're garbage. I remember the word deplorable, you remember the word. How did that work out? It was hilarious not too good. But they mean it, even though without question, my supporters are of far higher quality and I think much smarter than Crooked Joe or Lion Cumberland.
I mean, what did you think it was Halloween costume? I'm glad my son didn't see it. I know, I purposely didn't show Charlie the pictures of Trump and the garbage truck because I thought that it might make him like Trump more. And I was looking at it, I was showing it to all my phone while we were sitting on the couch and Jack ran over to see like, what are you guys looking at? I was like, nothing, nothing. Anyone driving a garbage truck is automatically his hero. And so I, you cannot see that.
So if three or three and four worlds could vote, this would be a masterstroke. But alas, they cannot. I am confused as to why they want to continue to keep the Puerto Rico garbage story in the headlines now for the fifth day. Yeah, I know they think that they've got their deplorable moment, even though it's Joe Biden sort of stumbling over his words on a zoom and he's not the fucking candidate.
Like I'm like, I know I get it right wing media is just running wild with this part of the reason I think they're running wild with it is because they all know how bad and damaging the Madison Square Garden rally was even like Megan Kelly was complaining about it on her show saying that the Trump campaign was stupid for, you know, it was like to brood up to have all this comedians there and making terrible jokes.
And so I think they finally see this as an opportunity to turn the page to borrow phrase on all that. But I don't know if it really does that. I think I'm sure that there's like Trump supporters who are like, don't call us garbage, but I don't think anyone's like, oh, Joe Biden mumbled on a zoom. And so meanwhile, that must that must mean that Kamala Harris thinks that too. It's fucking okay.
All right, a couple of things here. First, there is no evidence whatsoever that Hillary Clinton's deportals comment mattered at all. Right. That's a good place to start. Yes, because that is that is the it has become a fact in the minds of Republicans and the media that that was the moment when the election fell apart for not, I don't know Jim Comey's ill-time letter to Congress that led the press to lose their fucking mind 13 days before the election.
Maybe that was a thing, but the deportals comment not a real thing. They are always trying to look when you're in a bad news like we're always looking for something to turn the page be a circuit breaker on what's happening. Generally, you want to look for something that is not include the word that is most associated with the scandal you're trying to avoid. Right. So like this is a suboptimal choice. And not literally wear that word. Yes.
And then that's rape yourself in it. Right wing media went nuts for it because for all the races you said, I would say traditional media, the political media did exactly color itself in glory. I mean, playbook on the morning after Kamala Harris is closing argument speech had like 17 paragraphs of insanity. We don't know what he meant, but it could matter. Here's how it could matter. Here's a spectacle. There's a New York time story that was so infuriating. I know. I know. I know.
All of them were like, they were reaching to you can say whatever you want about Biden and analyze him in the pieces, right? But it was such a reach to tie it to Kamala Harris who gives a speech at the same time that Joe Biden is saying this, where over and over in the speech, she talks about reaching out to the other side and then is asked about Biden to be like, well, he clarified, but let me just tell you, I think it's, you know, like totally did the right thing here.
And they just, and they're like, yeah, but but but Biden's gaps are trailing Harris like they're like, like personifying Biden's gaps. They're just, the gaps are just walking around behind her. What the fuck are you talking about? But also any story that says something like it could spark a backlash or could well, no, that's not your job to predict what voters may do. Your job is to wait until they do it and then cover that.
And maybe they maybe if it's on a fake bullshit issue, they won't do it because you do your actual fucking job and you explained what really happened as opposed to just doing preemptive political prognostication. Okay, rant over.
And I also, when it happened, I actually, when the Biden thing happened, I was like, you know, I rolled my eyes, but I actually wasn't worried for Kamala Harris because I was like, this is, if anything, an opportunity for her, she just gave a speech where she was like, I want to reach out to the other side. I want them to have a seat at the table, Donald Trump wants to put them in jail, his political opponents and Bob.
And so she can now say, you know what? If you don't like what Joe Biden said, I'm the person that you get to vote for. And as I've said in this campaign, I am not Joe Biden and you've all wanted me to separate myself from Joe Biden. Well, here I am. I gave this speech and that's a different message than what some people heard from Joe Biden. Again, we don't even know what Joe Biden really meant. I would not imagine Joe Biden would call Donald Trump's voters and supporters garbage.
Because that's who Joe Biden is. Right. But clearly, he was just, you know, doing the Biden thing on Zoom. So there you go. I put a mega hat on. He put a Trump campaign hat on at a firehouse like a month ago. I know. It's just come on. It's stupid. Let's back up for a second and talk about Donald Trump in New Mexico. You know, you heard that clip. He as usual reads the stage of directions. I'm here to get some to boost my credentials with the Latinos. But what?
The New Mexico thing. He's not winning New Mexico. There's my prediction. He's not winning New Mexico. Oh, now we make predictions on this podcast. Just as you know what? He's not winning Massachusetts. I guess why? If you win to Mexico, you saying he was going to win New Mexico was really low in the list of problems we have. That's it. It's going to say no one's going to remember that. No one's going to remember that. Well, I just pick it right now. But yes, it's good for the pundits. Yes.
Yeah. So he's just headfakes show of confidence. What do you think? I think, I mean, he told us why he's doing it. It is to build credibility with Latino community because I'm sure that morning he woke up. I was like, where are we going guys? And they're like, New Mexico. He's like, why the fuck are we going to New Mexico? And they're like to build credibility with Latino community.
And so he just said those words. It's, it's weird. It doesn't make a ton of sense. I don't know how much credibility you're building with Latino community. The trunk being clearly has a thesis that's somewhat to a certain extent shared by the Harris community that I think is correct, which is all politics is kind of national now. The value of these local stops has gone down for a couple of reasons. It's gone down because local media just matters less than before. There's less of it.
And when you've been to Green Bay, Wisconsin, through the ninth time in the last four months, like how much coverage are you getting? Right. Is it's not the same, isn't the same sort of impact you did before. So he goes there and more people pay attention to it. And he's trying to craft a narrative that his campaigns ascended and they're competing in these blue states that were that we're probably traditional Republicans can't compete in, but he can because he's whatever.
I don't think it's a great use of time. And I saw someone say that if he, oh, this was a former A to market Rubio said if he loses, it's been somebody of my 1000 votes. He's really going to regret not going to pencil any of the final weekend. So yeah, I just Mark Caputo just had a story about this in the bulwark. And he's sort of asked around the Trump campaign and someone said to him, where the Trump campaign, we're going to go where the fuck we want to go and too bad if you don't get it.
Okay, that's cool. And then I guess a couple other sources said to him, just like, this is Trump. He wants to project confidence. He thinks that he can win some of these states. It's just in his head in his gut, he thinks he can. And I think this is also like a, they're trying to show confidence so that if he loses, he can say, well, I couldn't, I was in New Mexico in Virginia.
I thought I could win those like this is, it's impossible. They cheated. That's the only way they can win is if they cheated. It's just it's helping his, his stop the steel narrative. If he ends up losing. So all right, speaking of the Trump campaign, supreme confidence, Trump transition co-chair, Howard Lutnik, the billionaire CEO of an investment bank is he suddenly he's out and about previewing Trump's policy agenda for the second term, feeling confident.
You guys all heard tape of him on the Wednesday pod, scream asking Elon Musk at the Madison Square Garden rally. How much funding they could cut from federal agencies. The answer was apparently $2 trillion, a sum that would almost certainly decimate people's health and retirement benefits in this country.
On Wednesday night, Lutnik did a CNN sit down with Caitlin Collins. She asked him several direct questions about Trump and RFK juniors claim that RFK will be basically in charge of public health in some capacity in a Trump administration. And here's how it went. So I spent two and a half hours this week with Bobby Kennedy, Jr., and what he explained was when he was born, we had three vaccines and autism was one in 10,000. Now a baby is born with 76 vaccines.
RFK, Jr. is a vaccine skeptic. He pushes lies about vaccines. And I don't even think if we're public, I don't know why you said you said I'm not a scientist and you aren't. He just scientists, he pushes lies. He says, if you give me the data, all I want is the data. And I'll take on the data and show that it's not safe. And then if you pull the product liability, the companies will yank these vaccines right off off of the market.
All right. So there you go. Vote Donald Trump. If you want your kids not to be vaccinated anymore. Because if he wins, RFK, Jr. is going to get to be in charge public health. And Howard Lutnik says that our RFK, Jr. wants to get the vaccines yanked from the market.
Smallpox in every pot. I mean, first of all, why should people care with this guy, Lutnik thinks he's the chair of Trump's transition. And so for weeks now, if not months, there's been a group of people in an office somewhere in New York, I think is what Trump says that is plotting Trump's administration. Now primarily they're taking project 2025 and just sort of scratching the, they're just doing rewriting Trump over it.
But what they're really doing is they're putting together lists of people who are going to staff the Trump government. And this is not just the Secretary of State Secretary of Defense, the cadmium as we know, it's the undersecretaries, the administrators, the people that we pay no attention to, but have tremendous power over things like vaccine policy, prescription drug approvals, all of these things.
And so if the person who is in charge of putting this whole operation together, who is signing off on these lists, a possible name, so to go to Trump is someone with the not very well informed views of Howard Lutnik, that speaks the kind of administration Trump will have. Like this is a person with real power to shape government policy through personnel.
And so Caitlin also asked him like, you know, is he going to be the health and human services secretary and Lutnik basically said, no, the backstory there is the Trump campaign isn't sure that RFK Jr. could actually get confirmed by the Senate to be the health and human services secretary, because even if it's a Republican Senate, you got your maybe your Susan Collins's and your Lisa Marcoski's and even some conservative senators who probably like this guy's fucking crazy.
He he's an anti-vax loon. So they don't not sure he they could get him confirmed, but Donald Trump could make him like a czar in the White House over the overseas the public health agencies. And he could still have a lot of power to again, take vaccines off the fucking market. Like do you know what our kids get vaccinated for? Hepatitis, measles, mumps, polio, tetanus, chickenpox, whooping cough.
And Robert RFK Jr. doesn't fucking like these. He's just he doesn't believe in science. He lies about them all the time. He was he was connected to a measles outbreak in Samoa that killed 83 people, most of them children, because he went down there and talked to a bunch of anti-vax crazies and promoted them called them heroes.
And then now is like, oh no, I had nothing to do with it. Even though at the time he was like, yeah, it's probably the vaccines. They're problematic. And then, you know, vaccination rates fell dramatically in Samoa after we went and then there was a measles outbreak and a bunch of people died.
Like this is I know there's just a lot of shit flying around right now because it's the end of the campaign. But if for no other reason, vote because RFK Jr. could be in charge of vaccines and public health and could take vaccines off the market that you need to.
To survive. I just it's wild. Yeah, it's not completely wild. I also I don't think it's very it's not a politically wise move. No, just look up, you know, 69% of of all adults say that it's very slash extremely important to get kids vaccinated. Now, unfortunately, that number has fallen since the pandemic, but only among Republican voters because we also would happen there. But around 70% still saying it's a it's pretty important to get your kids vaccinated. It's a big number. It's a big number.
Yeah. It just the theme here of the Mass and Gorgon rally, the crazy things Elon Musk has said Mike Johnson saying formal character be repealed. How are the things decided to do a CNN interview for reasons that are beyond.
Is the Trump campaign really is actually like they have this thing in the bag. Yeah, and they're they're all that Chicago Bears quarterback who was talking the crowd when they help areas being thrown is sort of like what they're doing right now. I know, I know it's wild. Like Elon Musk out there talking about cutting $2 trillion and saying that yeah, Trump's agenda would cause a temporary hardship on people, but you know what?
Because economy would crash. We'd crash the economy. We elect us to crash the economy. Repeal the formal care act. Take vaccines off the shelf. Just. You know, Donald Trump and Elon Musk and RF kid you they'll all be fine. They'll all be fine. But everyone else is just going to have to go through some temporary hardship. Our final Friday pod before the election.
It was a good time to take one last almost last whip around the battleground states do some final thoughts on what we're seeing what we're looking for. I'm ordering these in terms of what I think is easiest for Harris to hardest.
But you can tell me if you disagree, okay, I'm going to start with Michigan. I think I think Michigan is the is the easiest of the battlegrounds for her going out there. It's her best state in the polls. First of all, right now she's probably got the largest lead there of any battleground state. Of course, that lead is one.
And one of the new times that right right, right. But also Biden won Michigan by the biggest margin of any of the swing states around three points, 150,000 votes. Of course, the concerns there things we'll be looking for Arab American and Muslim voters upset with the war and Gaza.
Of course, there's probably about 400,000 Arab American and Muslim voters in Michigan, 100,000 people voted uncommitted in the primary. So that is something to watch. I'm also going to be watching union members and just workers in general because they have been running a Trump campaign or Republicans and super PACs have been running a ton of ads about electric vehicles and telling people that Kamala Harris and Melissa Slachkin are going to make you, you know, like give up your gas powered car.
And you're going to be forced to buy an electric vehicle and Chinese going to make the electric vehicles and it's going to put auto workers out of business. And so I'm, you know, looking at that. And then I'm looking at, you know, black turnout, black voter turnout.
You know, my, my gut is that her margins among black voters are the same around the same as Biden, but turnout is the one that I, I wonder about, you know, whether whether black turnout will be the same. Now there was a report from Detroit today that they are on pace in that city to already break turnout records from 2020, which would be great, a great sign. Obviously, a lot of black voters in Detroit.
So anyway, those are my thoughts on Michigan. What do you think? Yeah, it's sort of a lot of the same things. The, you know, how does Kamala Harris do in those parts in and around Dearborn, right, where there's a large air American population. Does she dramatically underperform Biden's numbers there does overall turn out go down because people don't vote. Do we end up with people who leave the top of the ticket blank. So I'm very curious about that.
And I'm really because of that, I'm really looking at third party vote in Michigan more than anywhere else. RK Junior still in the ballot in Michigan. Angel sign. Yeah. Angel sign. RK Junior was getting 3.5% of poll I saw the other day in Michigan.
Where is that vote coming from? The way the polls rated seemed to was possible that that was helping Kamala Harris a little bit. But so that is the place where you have perhaps the largest group of people who voted for Biden, who may be looking for somewhere else to go. That is not Trump. And so that that's a net loss of one for Harris. And can she make up for that because you know for people who listen to the Sunday pod, I talked about Brown saying about demographic changes.
And the place where there's been the most demographic change where the share of the electorate that is white non college educated has gone down the most is in Michigan. And so can she replace that with new suburban voters and hired turnout in Detroit. Yeah. And then the counties around Detroit for those suburban voters like Oakland County. Yeah. Those are the counties where she needs she really needs to run out the score and could possibly do better than Biden.
All right. What do you think about Pennsylvania? That's my next one. Is that your next one? I would you go Wisconsin over before Pennsylvania. I would probably just go for most of the selection. I felt better about Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and actually that's the both of the campaigns felt. I think that shifted in recent days here. And it's really basically just come down to the fact that Pennsylvania is just more suburban and more diverse.
And even though that math is not the same for us potentially as it was in previous elections, it's Wisconsin just an incredibly white state and it's very very role so that I would probably they're close but I probably say Pennsylvania is her next best. It's the one by one to buy about a point and half about 80,000 votes, I believe.
Here it's once again turnout in the collar counties around Philly and then the suburbs of Allegheny County. And then can she do well in some of you know in across Pennsylvania, there are lots of mid-sized cities cities like Lancaster and Scranton.
Can she do well in those cities and actually outperform Biden in those cities which could make up for some bleed she might have either with black voters if you are not correct about that and I hope you are correct. Or if she's underperforms Biden with roll white voters. So sort of suburban the suburban areas around the big cities and then the small mid-sized cities that become places where Democrats have gotten a lot of vote from recently. You got a bunch of those in Pennsylvania.
I think the the bull case for some of these a lot of these blue wall states is in these rural counties and small towns and small cities where Trump tends to do well, especially in the rural. He's he he wins with like crushing margins but he doesn't have a lot more vote to squeeze out from the rural areas from some of the exerban areas he does the places outside the suburbs that are growing right so like you could see if the excerpts shifted to the right and Trump got more vote out of there.
Could start canceling out some of her gains in the suburbs but I think population wise the south eastern part of Pennsylvania those suburbs south of Philly like that has grown a bunch so there's like an opportunity for her to have bigger margins in Biden and just get more vote out of there and that and and same thing with
Allegheny County around Pittsburgh so that that you said that that cancels out hopefully either his strength in the excerpts or some combo of that plus you know black and Latino voters inching towards Trump and then obviously the Puerto Rican voters in Philly and Allentown obviously be very something will be very interested in. Wisconsin can Benwick or save America again.
No pressure. Ben I know it's like them what you just said which is like demographic wise of the blue wall states I'm most nervous about Wisconsin but organization wise and turnout wise I feel best about Wisconsin because of the organization that Ben and the entire Wisconsin Democratic party and all the organizers and volunteers who have worked tirelessly in Wisconsin since 2016 have put together.
So obviously you will want to know what happened because on Milwaukee in terms of turnout and support levels for Harris the other thing is day county where medicine is is grown a ton in the last four years some of that is people moving from other parts of the state into day but it's also a lot of people who post pandemic moved to other parts of the country and so you have some in migration of more college educated suburban voters in day county and can that population growth offset further losses in rural areas.
Because you know Biden and Democrats they they getting it's getting to be like Assad margins in day and county now. And the turnout in day and county is off the charts. I mean there's like few counties in swing states that have as high turnout with his good margins for Democrats than day and county.
We went canvassing in day and county and that was I would say not exactly hard work is like we know we've already voted we know when we're going to vote we all we have 17 we have signs for Kamala Harris Tammy Baldwin and like nine ballot initiatives in our front yard it's it's political utopia.
But again you know Biden won't have a 20,000 votes and so the margin in Wisconsin just for you know voters who Trump get Trump gets more votes or Trump you know if Biden voters go back to Trump or whatever it's just a smaller margin than it is in Michigan and Pennsylvania so 21,000 of us yeah that is why it's you know it's it's worry some.
The suburbs in Wisconsin the suburbs outside of Milwaukee have not moved as aggressively democratic as they have in Pennsylvania in Michigan and other part in other battleground states. I want to be curious to see if you see growth there there were 76,000 hailey voters in the Republican primary in Wisconsin can she get 10 15 20,000 of those votes that can really help yeah for sure.
Nevada you mentioned earlier that John Ralston's his his blog about that he updates with the numbers from Nevada every night it's not exactly been great but. One thing we've talked about is that voting behavior has just changed and so Republicans are voting earlier now and it's sort of hard to tell.
What's happening there but I don't know what what do you want to say about Nevada I think Nevada is the test case about whether Trump is making real gains with working class Latina voters right there disparate of all the other states were talking about.
Disproportionately located in Nevada and if he is we will see that there it's interesting you I assume you have Nevada in this place in the order because it was the largest margin of the remaining states and in fact the second largest margin in 2020 is that why.
Yes but democratically the hardest I think I think it's democratically one of the hardest I do think the turn out the organization the Democrats have the turnout machine there is still pretty strong you know it's built by Harry Reid when when he was alive and he was democratic leader and it's quite effective and I just notice I just looked at it before we start recording looked at Ralston's blog the the margin is starting to come down right now the Republic if you just so the reason why.
So the reason that Ralston and Nevada are like the exception to reading the tea leaves on the early vote is that now everyone in Nevada gets mailed a ballot. And a lot of people in Nevada most people vote before election day so if you have an early vote that's like you know 65 70% of registered voters or 65% of the final vote you can make some assumptions on that right not you can't predict who's going to win but you can make.
The challenge is as they have they have automatic voter registration in Nevada as well and when they automatically register you if you don't pick a party you're automatically registered just as with no party and so you're seeing the share of no party voters like much higher than it's been in the past and we don't know if those vote from the early vote we don't know if those votes are for Kamala Harris or for Donald Trump and so Republicans have a lot of people in the world who are in the world.
So Republicans have quite a lead in ballots right now over Democrats in Nevada thanks largely to the rural counties in Nevada and Clark County which is where Vegas is is sort of under performing its registration so the percentage of the vote from Clark is just lower than it has been in the past and the rules are like just blow on the doors off the place.
So if it stays that way then it's going to be really hard for her to win but the idea is that maybe all these voters in Clark County who voted last time who just haven't voted yet are going to either show up in the next couple days or show up on election day and if they still live there right that's one of the hardest parts about Clark County particular is there's just it's very transient you have people who move in every cycle people you ever as I have done a couple times canvas in Las Vegas the addresses are different it's like it's like it's like I can't say where about to find out.
Yes we're not to do it again I would say I should have been a real warning sign in my should have in my 2016 life if I had paid more attention to the door knocks when I was in Vegas but so it's it is all hard to tell normally Democrats go in with a big advantage and then Republicans have to win a shockingly high percentage of the election day vote and they have failed to do that in most elections of consequence over the last decade or so now that firewall not exists of any conspire that may even out by the time that's not going to be a lot of time to do that.
That may even out by the time it's all done but we did we would have the we'd bank all these votes and we were not banking we're not banking a lead here.
But so everyone knows Nevada plays a role in very few paths to 270 for Kamala Harris just because it only has six electoral votes there are some if you I forget which wall state if you lose and then you can yeah you can replace it with Arizona or Arizona Nevada well you lose Pennsylvania you can win North Carolina or Georgia and Nevada and get to get to over 270 right okay so that's the couple paths it shows up in I have Georgia next
with you have Arizona North Carolina before no I would probably I think you could flip a coin for Arizona Georgia here it really depends on I kind of I kind of do too it kind of depends on what narrative you want to buy right if you're correct that Kamala Harris is going to get to basically Biden level margins with black voters then Georgia should be next in line because it is it is a huge black voting population has
obviously turned out in 2020 in 2022 to elect Joe Biden. Brafio war knocked twice John Ossoff almost Alex Dacey Abrams twice then Georgia would be the one also you know very large suburbs lots of college educated voters that could that is a formula for democratic success the reason Harris not pulling as well there is because in the polling she is not doing as well with black voters if that that were to level set back to where it was then it's a then it's a true toss up state with
maybe a Harris advantage. Well and the concern I have there is the concern with black vote everywhere which is just if if she keeps the margins but one of the reasons she's not doing well in the polls is that some black voters are just end up deciding not to vote and turnout goes down then that that could be reason she loses it as well. Yeah I also think that Georgia is a state is like we've you know in the Trump era lot of the polls we get to election day and
that's like oh they've understated Trump support. Georgia is not that case in fact sometimes I think a couple times in Georgia Georgia had the polls in Georgia have like underestimated democratic support and Biden support in
2020 so it's sort of a state I watch don't like take the polling to as seriously as I do some other places or at least I'm not as worried about it as another places but you know maybe I should be. But I do think there it's all about you know blowing it out in Atlanta and the suburbs and in some rural
places in Georgia where there are a lot of black voters to see if they can if she can run up the margins there and the college sounds like Athens and yeah and then you know other places there are small events I say this with large democratic populations like Savannah what's going on with Arizona what do you think because I I was bullish on Arizona in 2020 you know we won it was very close but the polls have been brutal this time
for a while I don't think they've been brutal I mean it is so they've just been so different than they were in 2020 yeah but they mean in the New York Times average Trump has a two point lead right which is well within the margin of air it is it is in the polling averages comma Harris is worst state now the fact that her worst state is at right around two points is pretty good frankly
this is another thing right are the polls over stating Trump's Latino support or understanding common Harris is right because a lot of times you're getting common Harris at near the bite near the bite number but Trump is not yet at his 2020 number he's just it's just the they're both under right and what's going to happen with that
undecided voter people going to vote or they're not going to vote right is Trump going to get over 40 or is going to be stuck around 38 where it was before and it's just you know just when we talk all the time the hardest to reach voters we often were always talking about Trump voters but that all the very hard to reach voters black and Latino voters right when we talk
they're talking about the least politically engaged in like are we actually capturing who that electorate is and if they and if her numbers are like Biden's in 2020 she's got a very real show to it now it's a state that Biden won by 11,000 votes so there's not a lot of margin for air there but it's just this is like there's something the polling is going to get wrong it happens every cycle even in a good polling year where you know even in 2020 there are a lot of things wrong but one
remember one that narratives leading into the election was Joe Biden is crushing it was seniors seniors are going to save America and it's because in there was like seniors are very covid conscience because because of the concern sort of health we have the whole election turns out seniors voted at the exact same level
that haven't previous elections it was just a fuck up in the poll right and what it missed Trump's gains will it's in us totally missed them there can be some things like that this time where Trump's either going to do better or worse with some of these groups we think he is doing well with
and there's going to be another group plus speculated when he was on our podcast that it would be Republicans or Republican leading independence but something's going to be missed in Arizona will maybe the state where that is if it's a Latino but where that will be most impactful what's odd is that in the time sienna polls of Arizona which have maybe been the worst high quality polls for her in Arizona I think that's what I was getting at with the
it's been rougher just because they're good polls and she's like down five in those her Latino number in those polls was like 60% yeah it was she was having a problem there with like independence she was like losing more
Biden voters from by 2020 voters then in some other state so I don't know something I don't know what's going on there I mean there is a while there is a strain of McCain Republicans result there is a lot this is state that move you know Georgian and Arizona are the states with the most
Trump Biden voters the states that move the furthest over the course of four years and so we obviously we know from focus groups we hear from sir along with others that we plead some of those voters and so that that could be the challenge there. Finally North Carolina the white whale always were always so close to North Carolina.
Yeah I mean this one's really hard particularly because the the hurricane and it's really disrupted people's lives there in a way in which it's hard to focus on politics elections particularly in the actual area where people are still trying to get their lives back together schools open businesses open water gas all of those things North Carolina is the hardest state in the
script not just because it's the one that by lost but in all the demographic changes I was talking about about how the share of the of the electorate represented by white working class voters has gone down everywhere else it hasn't gone down in North Carolina North Carolina it is and this is one of the things that I will never forget Steve Kornaki writing this in a piece that was about why come here so
doing better in North Carolina Georgia which didn't make it out of sense and he won one reason he postulated was there are more of the voters were under counter counted in the polls in North Carolina Georgia so it's very it's possible it's just a polling problem but we don't have to see it was a 70,000 vote margin you're going to need a
if the polls are right about the governor's race you're going to need an unprecedented shitload of split ticket voters for Donald Trump in the state like just like it's true now we said that happened once in 2020 in Maine by to almost a similar degree but it that's that's a
hard thing that you know that the math is hard there yeah so overall you see like why the whole thing is is close because if you don't get all three all three blue wall states you need one of Arizona North Carolina or Georgia and two of I said if you get if you know if you lose one of the blue wall states unless that blue wall states Pennsylvania then you need to
oh yeah you need or one in Nevada yeah one in Nevada you need you need two other states one of those two states has to be Arizona Georgia yes right and we just laid out why those are those are tricky so that's why that's why everyone's that's why it's a toss up right now the one last thing I'll say about this is if we had an actual accurate
perception of what how close the race was in 2020 right we were looking at the whole thing for a fun house mayor but if he actually had known how close it really was and we were doing this exact same exercise in 2020 we would have said the same things about Arizona and Georgia and Joe Biden won them right that's true yeah
and we would we and we all would have been feeling just like we are now just actually a gift from the industry that we we got like we slept better we felt better our stomachs hurt less in 2020 remember that by the way I know you were you were was I was I was I find I was
you were totally fine I was yeah we talked about some time you like I have conversations with you were like even if we had the largest thing you're in history she still wins which was true by I feel less nervous now even though I feel like it's very possible
that he wins I think that it's a greater chance that he wins the Poland the polling gods understood in 2020 that with the pandemic happening we couldn't take it yeah and so they all those all those lips just stayed home and answered the answer the pollsters call thank you
that's all the while the Republicans went out and just had a good time okay when we come back we're going to hear your interview with Dan Osborne but before we do that this is again the last weekend we get to do everything we can to get persuadable voters to head to the polls for Kamala Harris and so we are asking you to reach out to everyone you know particularly in the swing states make sure they are voting for Kamala Harris voting for Democrats up and down the
way but get them to spread the word every call every conversation matters at this point and if you doubt that if you think everyone out there's already made up their mind heard all the arguments take a listen to this clip from one of our listeners her name is Aaron from Massachusetts great state who just used votes of America's last call tool I used the last call tool to reach out to my sister in law in Pennsylvania
about voting for Kamala and we touched on women's health rights and the unrest that a Trump presidency would cause I used her script to let her know that I was here for any questions she might have after our chat she said that although she had been undecided she would be casting a vote for Kamala and even thought she could get her mom who's also in Pennsylvania on board to thanks for the push guys and for all you do love that so very great
Aaron great job doing it great presentation to you really explain that story succinctly and wonderfully you should probably possibly be a podcaster great more succinct that us I first love you on for an hour I know it's like I'm already late to trick or treating all right so if Aaron can do it you can do it equally important as reaching out to friends and family is volunteering in the battleground states either physically there or you can
phone bank text bank whatever this weekend basically everyone at this company is canvassing including me love it Tommy we're going to Arizona on Saturday we're going to Nevada on Sunday and we're going to knock on some doors rally some volunteers and you can join us for those events or sign up to knock doors in this swing state nearest you or you can phone bank it's all critical in the final days go to votesaveamerica.com slash
2024 to volunteer now when we come back Dan Osborne joining me today is an independent Senate candidate running a surprisingly tight race to unseat Republican Deb Fisher Nebraska please welcome to positive America Dan Osborne thanks for being here thanks guys thanks for having me absolutely your
biography is a centerpiece of your campaign with very good reason you just start by telling our listeners who may not have been following the Nebraska Senate race super closely who you are and why you're running yeah I suppose it would it would all start you know I joined the Navy right out of high school I come from a long line of Navy people my grandfather retired from the Navy my parents they both met while they were in the Navy
my uncles were all the Navy and then my older brother he joined the Marine course we don't talk to him much anymore but I did I did two Western Pacific cruises aboard the USS constellation so I got to travel the world twice over in two Westpacks and I think I think that was a good good education for a young man coming into the world but I got out I came back to Omaha where I'm from I started attending the university in Nebraska
in Omaha I then joined the Nebraska Army National Guard to continue my service I was on I was a 19 kilo on a M1A from Tank Crew during that time but was felt compelled to service but you know my life changed when my wife Megan had our first daughter Georgia so I stopped I stopped going to school I got another honorable discharge and I started working at Kellogg says an industrial mechanic I needed a I needed a job
something with some good benefits to you know help pay for this new family I've started and one of the first days on the job an old Polish guy by the name of Roger Balsky came up to me he looked just like Tom Selich from Magnum P.I. He said hey hey kid if you join the union I said no sir I have not and goes well you might want to think about doing that and I'm like well shoot Tom Selich's tell me to join the union better go do that so I signed up I paid my dues I worked hard
for a lot of years just provided for my family but over the years old guys like Ron and K.A. Tom Selich started to retire and you know Kellogg became more beholden to their stockholders and we started to lose on contracts so I ran for executive board in my local I got elected as vice president and about three months later the president stepped down because you get yelled at a lot in that role by both your members and management alike but I knew the role was important
so I assumed it I did that for about a year and then COVID hit and COVID changed a lot of lives and it certainly has changed my you know we were working there's four plants under the master agreement under the umbrella of the master and as essential workers we are all working seven days a week 12 hours a day during that year at one point in time 50% of our workforce was forced quarantine and or sick but we kept all four of those plants running at a hundred percent capacity
and they made record profits they went from nineteen billion to twenty one billion dollars the CEO gave himself a two million dollar raise the board and rich themselves the stockholders and rich themselves and then our contract expired I figured it'd be a no-brainer we get a little sliver of the pie but instead they sat across negotiating table from us and they said we're gonna we're going after your health insurance we're going after your cost of living wage adjustment
when you're president that was my little crap moment there hadn't been a strike in Nebraska since nineteen seventy two so I had to figure out what that all meant and trying to drum up all the support and learn as much as I could so in October fifth midnight rolled around we couldn't come to an agreement still my belief today Kellogg's had no intention on coming to an agreement so we shut down four plants and we walked off the job to preserve our wages and benefits
certainly one of the hardest things I've ever had to do take five hundred of my friends and their family out into the great unknown if we're gonna have a job at the end of it but we all felt we were on the right side of history and I knew out on the the picket line democrats were gonna come out support as traditionally what they do but I didn't I didn't really see my world that way I didn't see black white or women or or men or republican or democrat
I just saw people that wanted to go to work for a fair wage and some decent decent benefits in the time but they trade in services and company so I set out to make it a non-partisan issue I was able to get republican congressman Don Bacon out to the picket line
and shake hands with the members in favor of what we were trying to do I was then able to get a republican governor now US senator from Nebraska Pete Ricketts to draft a letter to the CEO Steve KLA and imploring him to get our people back to work
but we settled on a strike just before Christmas after 77 days and I remember walking in my plant just feeling a huge sense of pride we we we salvaged 1,500 good-paying jobs around the country and that's what I'm doing this today I haven't always been a political person but you know I see the corporate agenda that our elected officials have my opponent certainly no different it was Robin Williams the late comedians said it best that he said politicians should be wearing NASCAR jackets
with patches of their sponsors so he know how they're going to vote that is so true and my opponent certainly has a lot of patches on her jacket talk to me a little bit about the decision to run as independent as opposed to a democrat republicans obviously easier maybe not easier to be a democrat in Nebraska but just to have access to the party machinery and all of that but you may you you pick the hard path here tell me about why
yeah well I've been a registered independent from the time I could vote simply because I've never I've never really been behind the whole two party system I've never understood why I have to have a hard set of beliefs on either that side or that side I've always find myself more of a moderate down down working down the middle when it comes to issues and ideas and things like that we certainly see you know this 118th Congress is arguably one of the most inefficient
and working together and getting stuff done you know we're the farm bills very importantly here in Nebraska and we've seen that come and gone we're working on an extension from 2018 so our farmers and ranchers are fall behind inflation right now because of that
there's certainly a lot of things we need to be doing better for for our people but that's that's the way I think you know the framers of the Constitution intended this to be right government buying for the people right now I feel like it's just a government for the the uber wealthy and corporations
think how let's let's say you win how does that work when you get there are you gonna just simply caucus with neither party are you gonna make decisions based on issues if you thought if you thought that far ahead
yeah of course because I'm a win that's good that's that's that's the attitude we like I don't know if I like winning better or if I hate losing where so either way either way but you know it's a I think the system needs to be challenged because I don't feel like it works for me and me and my family
George Norris was the last independent senator from Nebraska he helped create the nonpartisan unit camera that we enjoy today he didn't caucus with anybody his last term so there there is some precedence there yeah I think I think it's gonna be issue based and that there's you know people say oh well you won't get committee assignments senator rules say you have to be on at least two committees I'm pretty good at formal alliances and making friends
but you know there's a chance there's a real chance I could be the 51st swing vote in the US Senate so the people are going to be knocking on my door and you use that for Nebraska I assume so that's some a little leverage there I guess yeah yeah absolutely that's how I can deliver for Nebraska if that scenario occurs well but some of your top priorities be when you I won't say if you win when you win you know I'll just start with what's important
yeah 180 town halls that I hear from the brascans it's the economy and inflation trying to get a hold of that and just you know making it so people's paychecks goes go further you know I hear things like and everything's like you know my daughter's generation is going to be one of the first generations of kids collectively that don't do better than their parents
that should scare people it definitely certainly does me so we got to do better to to turn that around and flip that script we all want our kids to do better and we all want to protect the environment so they have a planet to work and plan it to live on right so extremely important issues but the economy inflation number two is a border security and and slash immigration you might be wondering why a landlocked state in the middle of the country like Nebraska it would be important to people
you know this is a huge beef state the industry and farming and and and ranching certainly and you know meat packers employ a lot of people so they're concerned about it and but I I don't think senator Fisher she said 12 years to do something on the border and I do believe if we know if we don't have a border we don't we don't have a country we we have to secure our ports of entries
not just our southern border but everywhere and we need we need more people to do that and we and you know because it's it's it's human trafficking it's sex trafficking it's drugs it's everything that we need to do better at lessening the flow of all that so we need a comprehensive border package that includes drones and and then but on the flip side of that you know there's a there's a 10 year backlog of people waiting to get in front of a judge to the first silent seekers
well there's a problem right there we need we need to address that but I was watching a debate between Ronald Reagan and George HW Bush that came over my feet the other day randomly and so I got a stop and watch this they were talking about the border and they were talking about immigration the exact same way we were talking about it today and I was in nineteen eighty so I asked myself why you know why isn't anybody doing well the meat packers the people
who benefit from exploiting labor pain of next to nothing they can continue to enrich themselves and those are the folks that are can afford to buy patches on a senator's nascar jacket so it comes full circle people seem I mean this is a very close race that's caught a lot of people by surprise
much of the cycle talking about the competitive center races being in Pennsylvania Michigan Nevada except all the ones that people are not in all the sudden I know where comes Dan Osborne in Nebraska New York Times pole has this race incredibly close what is going on in the ground there what are you hearing from voters and I'll explain why this is very Republican state is open to replacing their Republican center who was just elected not so long ago
yeah I think it's because there's there's starting to see you know when people hurt they pay a little bit more attention you know I like I like the phrase it doesn't matter if you care about politics politics are going to care about you and I think people are starting to understand that fact a little bit more like said when you're when your dollar doesn't go as far and when that long go 250 dollars
filled up my grocery cart for a family of five now barely skims the bottom that that certainly is problematic but it's our message that resonates with people that if you work hard in this country your paycheck should matter plain and simple you know and and I'm going to fight to do that you know senator Fisher is just going to be a rubber stamp for whoever her party leader is that's what she's shown
and then but she she's also shown she's she votes against she wants to raise the retirement age to 70 years old and for me as a steam fitter that's a slap in the face I can't imagine six to nine years old turn in five branches on a on a man live you know that's that's crazy talk so we need to protect ourselves security benefits that's the winning message people people
we got to take care of our retirees and and then she votes against veterans extending extending health care for veterans that are of victims of burn pit toxic burn pits and then dating all the way back to agent orange victims and Vietnam like who is this person like this is this is crazy you know veterans are less than six percent of our population and then the burn picked victims got to be even smaller so I I don't
understand how she votes the way she votes in center race after center race all across this country and in the presidential race abortion is a driving issue what role is it playing in your race in Nebraska where are you on the issue well there's there's ballot initiatives so it's it's going to play a very important role there's there's three ballot initiatives well four I suppose to to abortion one would basically
codify row the standards the way we've done it for the last 50 years the second would is more of a pro life initiative and then there's legalizing medical cannabis which I am for Fisher is against and that's you know I don't even know what that pulls out but I'm I'm pretty sure that's going to out if that's your issue you know they're definitely going to vote for me
and then and then there's family paid sick leave and she's definitely she's against that she voted against the railroaters and to have seven days of PTO when that's all they were old now for and as somebody who's worked over three thousand hours a year my whole life I get the work the need for a work
for a balance but so but going back to abortion you know she is for a complete abortion ban she said it multiple times with the accept even even not having any exceptions of assault and incest on there as well so that's that's who she is and but I'm the opposite that I I certainly believe
that the federal government should stay out of our doctors offices and our bedrooms but I've been on record many times of saying at the federal level I will go back to the way we've done it for the last 50 years excellent I have a very very important question for you I have been at Omaha many times I've listened to Tim Walls talk about this you got to help me and let's just know what the hell is a runza
it is a it's amazing this is what it is yeah it's basically a square I don't even know like a pie almost but it's got ground beef and cabbage and then there's a Italian runza so it's this is nice tidy little sandwich that they bake it's amazing it really is you know you're coming in Nebraska you got to try it okay all right it's all my list okay I know you're very busy man Dan as born you got over a week before the election tell our listeners who
may become interested in your campaign by flimous interview how they can help you yeah well you know I haven't always been a political person and being engrossed in this process is fascinating and disgusting all the same time to see how much money flows into this independent expenditures and citizens united and all this it's it's it's it's crazy but Mitch McConnell just through through
the debt Fisher three million dollars and money on her side is flowing into spread lies about me and so I got to defend myself so you know we have to continue to fundraise we've we've raised over 10 million which is insane to say my average donation still remains $40 so I do believe this campaign is powered by the people the way the framers intended it to be but you could go to Osborne for Senate.com
and it's Osborne would know we sorry not related to the famous football coach but Osborne for Senate.com and you can help me with 5 10 15 or help me with help reach you reach the average of $40 awesome Dan Osborne thank you so much for joining us and good luck in the final stretch here thank you appreciate you having me on.
That's our show for today Dan will be back on Sunday with our final bonus episode featuring Steve Kornaki everyone please call your friends in the battlegrounds get out there and get involved this weekend. We'll talk to you soon. Bye everyone.
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