Horse Sense

Hi, Sabrina. Hey, I'm coming to you from a magical new location today.

Oh yeah, where it's just.

In my little theater room. I actually there's where we're doing construction on the house, and the wall they're literally tearing out is the shared wall with my sound booth. So if anybody wanted to hear anything, which I'm starting to learn is very important in podcasting, I had was.

Not going to be possible.

Yes, that was not going to be possible. You know what else is not possible for me? Talking to horses? Can you talk to horses?

I cannot. I cannot. I get a little you know, horses are a lot taller than me.

There's taller people, most people, but like I'm pretty sure, like I'm coming up, I feel like right there on that shoulder line that I.

Could get drop kicked by a horse real easy. So how tall are you?

How tall are you? Actually?

I'm five foot like okay, like a teeny tiny bit over five foot tiny, And I know I sound like my four year old who says she's four and a half. I'm like five foot in a quarter five foot now I'm five foot and three quarters.

I'm almost five.

One Okay, Well, that's fair.

But yeah, I mean, you know, it brings a lot of issues.

I hate.

I don't I'm not a big concert goer if I don't have like a seat because I don't like hanging out with people and going into large masses of people horses, same thing.

Like you.

I get nervous that I could get hit in the head really easily.

But there's so and I love horses. I love horses. I do. And what about you? Can you talk to horses?

I can. Oh, they don't answer in any way, shape or form. They don't understand me, but I do. I walk up and like, what's that horse? So my wife is a horse person. My wife and my stepdaughter. My stepdaughter was a nationally ranked jumper. Wow, so she we you know, I while I know nothing of the world, they are very They know a lot about the horse jumping world and the horse world and all that kind of stuff. So yeah, this this movie is another one that my wife watched with me because she is a

I'm Wilfred All and I'm Sabrina Brian Pudi Cowboy.

This week we're traveling to Montana and turning this city boy into a real life rancher because we're talking about the nineteen ninety nine dramedy, Yes, it's a dcom, Horse Sense. It made its Disney debut on November twentieth, nineteen ninety nine, and had a very successful debut, actually roping in See What I Did There, Sprita, roping in I Thank You three point two million viewers and winning its time slot

I haven't done a lot of riding.

I've done those those typical you know, vacation that you don't get to really even gallop of any sort.

So I don't know how to do that.

My aunt did have horses at one point, but I was really little at the time when she had them. So I rode on the back of my cousin, right Like, who was actually like, you know, steering and actually doing it.

I was just holding on for dear life.

Wait, you rode on the back of your cousin like that, like your cousin was the horse.

No, Jensen, I rode behind her on the horse, being on as she I don't know how the horse. I don't even know how to say that I have done it. I have rode like the worst was in the Caribbean. We did do it was really awesome, but these horses, it was like, Okay, I'm not sure I'll ever do this again because they were not treated well. And I just started the whole time. I was just like crying because I just felt so bad for this poor little

This is a much different horse experience than most people have. I would think, yeah, but it's better than riding your crossing, but it is.

I hate you guys, so anyway, I it was.

I do love horses though, I think they're so beautiful and I love they're just magical.

I feel the same way, and I've done it. I think I have about the same horse experience as you do. It's like you go to places where the horses know what to do, so you hop on their back. And they know when to run and when to gallop, like you know, around the Hollywood Sign and stuff like that.

Other than that, I have to do it around the Hollywood Sign.

That well, there was back in the day you'd ride to like a you'd get on a horse, you'd ride to the Hollywood Sign and then you'd go down and you'd end it like this.

Bar oh wow.

So yeah it was. It was a cool little ride. You could see the Hollywood Sign all the kind of stuff. It was neat it was. But yeah, I have no horse sense.

Oh and he brings it right back around, right around, thank you.

Okay, So we might know your history with horses, but how about your horse sense? Like, did you know this movie existed before it came to our podcast assignment?

I mean, we've talked about doing this movie for quite a while, so I sort of feel like it but not before it became in this like world of us here at Magical rewind.

No, I feel exactly I knew about it because I knew about the Lawrence Boys obviously, Yes, and nineteen ninety nine Maddie and I were not only doing Boy Met World, but I think ninety nine is when we did h double hockey sticks or ninety eight. So this was all kind of right in the zeitgeis. So of course I knew they were doing something. I'm not try I.

Mean knew what it was.

It does it? It doesn't like it's a complete hello. Of course that there would be a d coom with the Lawrence brothers.

But first of all, we can get into that later. But there should have been a bunch with the Lawrence brothers two, but there should have been fifteen decoms with the boys.

Yes, they're perfect percent agreed.

There's is not a better Amigos Trios that could be fit for thank Disney Channel.

Built for the Disney Channel. All right, Well, we've still got a huge pile of manure to move, so let's jump into our synopsis. A spoiled Los Angeles teen is sent to spend time on his cousins struggling Montana ranch as punishment for selfish behavior. There he learns responsibility, the value of hard work, and the importance of family. Sabrina Ben in Montana.

Yes, I have toured through there, so I've probably been to a Walmart in Montana that I can remember, say, sports me for a little moll, But I haven't gotten a chance to do like the ranch experience in Montana, and that is something that is absolutely on my list of wanting to do.

One hundred percent agree with you, Montana's one. I think I've done forty six to forty eight states I can't remember, but Montana is one of the ones I haven't been to yet. Must before you to do Montana. We'll have to you know what. We'll do a family, family ranch thing. We'll figure it out.

Yes, be so fun.

Love to Okay. Now, although this is set in Montana, it was filmed primarily in Los Angeles and on location in Utah. Yes, we've got a real Buffalo dream situation going on here. But I think everything passed pretty well. What do you think I did?

I thought it looked great. I did feel the Buffalo Dreams vibe though. It was kind of like it makes sense knowing that you can kind of pull that across using the landscape of Utah, not Salt Lake City, but the landscape.

And it worked like a charm. It did. This movie was directed by a name that we worship here at Magical Rewind and no it's not the one you might think. It's Greg Beeman. Now, if you don't recognize his name, you'll know him for the reigning champion dcom. He directed Miracle and Lane two, which is currently the film with the highest score on our podcast. He began his career with two Magical World of Disney Films. That's right, Magical World of Disney Films, not Wonderful World of Disney. The

I need to see that.

I just by the title. I need to know what is going on. We need to sit out soon. And Little Spies, which I'm curious are they really tiny little spies or are they only doing a little bit of spying? I'd like to know. But would later make movies like License to Drive, Mom and Dad, Saved the World and Problem Child three. But it's yeah, right, But it's his impressive dcom lineup that we care about. He did the first dcom ever, under Wraps, then Brink, The Ultimate Christmas Present,

Isn't that wow?

Strange Hollywood coincidence. But yeah, he was doing it. He was through with it before the rest of us knew what to do with it. As they would say, that is Joey and he is joined by his very own brother here again and another magical rewind favorite and past guest, Andy Lawrence, as Tommy, Briggs and Whiles are still fresh in our mind. Let's acknowledge that Andy is already a shoe and nominee for Best Actor for going to the mat Am I right, I mean, yes, one of the best we saw.

It's a toss up.

We might have to have an award for Best Lawrence And it's a toss up.

You can't. How do you do that? How do you judge between the Lawrence boys?

You can't.

By the way, all of them amazingly nice people.

Seriously, I honestly, they all have so many different amazing attributes.

I don't know how you could choose.

You don't if they if they never acted again and the three of them just sat down and sang together, you'd be like, oh my god, that's the best thing I've ever seen. But they can also act, they write, they direct. It's annoying. Save something for the.

Rest of us.

Andy also appeared on Blossom, Hawaii five Oh, United States of Tara, and was famously the voice of TJ on Recess. He also appeared in movies like White Man's Burden, Mister Bean, and Jack Frost. We love Andy and you can check out his magical rewind interview right on our dedicated feed. He's one of our faves. Worth noting their third brother and arguably worst brother, Matthew, a former co star of mine on Boy Meets World, does appear in the film uncredited as a cowboy at the airport, and he is

To read them a little bit.

But so, I mean, I don't even really think I have to ask this from the conversation we just had. But Lawrence Boys, Disney Hall of Fame, Yeah, your name, oh yeah, first ballad.

Well again, to restate it, what's a shame is it's not from d COM's. It's from everything they've done, you know, within the Disney franchise.

I mean, it's not just a dcom thing.

It's literally I just feel like there was a time where they owned the Disney Channel or you know, ABC, Yeah, and ever.

There was you talk about young child actors and how they can have attitudes, and also it was if there's ever three people that deserve to have attitudes because they were doing it all the time, it was the Lawrence Boys, and never did. They were completely down to earth, loved their fans, great guys all the way around.

Always had a huge, huge following too.

Yeah, I mean, but they respected their following, which is really really cool. We've got Susan Walters as Jules Big. She's best known as Diane Jenkins Abbot on almost five hundred episodes of the Young and the Wrestlers. Five hundred episodes yes, folks, she was on that show for almost three months. I'm kidding, get what I did there, because it's five hundred ppersents. I'm joking. It was a twenty year period, but she also appeared on The Flash, MTV's

Wow.

Robin Thomas is her husband. Glen I recognize him most as the vice principal in nineteen eighty seven Summer School. Producer Jensen and I have talked about this movie ad nauseum. But he has almost one hundred and fifty credits to his name, including Crazy Ex Girlfriend, Fuller House, The Mommies, and the recent Murder one oh one TV movie franchise. And finally, Steve Reeves is Mule, another recognizable face. He's best known for his Roland Fargo. Oh, he was so good.

No, I mean, honestly, it's just kind of at the very end, there's two different scenes that you're going, oh, okay, there it is.

And it's not that they're they're not meaningful scenes.

It's just not a it's not a like part of the storyline throughout the whole story.

It's not it's like a horse whisperer where it's like you see him like touching the animal in a certain way.

Yeah, it doesn't happen over and over and over again. It literally has like two moments that it makes sense. So the whole time, I mean horse in general made sense. Like you know, you're kind of just for me, I'm one of those people like you're starting to kind of am I missing something? Like now you're like trying to like search for it, like you're like, where is it?

Where's the reason?

Where's what? You know?

So that's the only thing, Like I feel like with the title, it's not that it didn't make sense at all, like you had to horses, and it did for a few moments.

It's just to name the whole movie off of that those.

I expected it to go somewhere else with it, but me too. We'll get into that too. How about some other suggestions, dude, Ranch Hand, Montana Summer, how about in the Saddle?

Yeah, yeah, I mean.

I feel like I have. I feel like I'm not telling you in any of those.

Really, I don't think they're like to me. This storyline has been is is so broad and is something we've seen it. You've seen a bunch that it kind of like any of those titles would have been.

It works. Hey, sometimes they the same movie as different titles. Gleaming the Cube was also at one point called like not without My Brother or something like that. So you just never know, Yeah, it'll always be clean.

Well what do you always say? Lemon lemonade Mouth was a different version.

Of yeah of band slam. Yeah yeah, So there you go.

So it's like, you know, it could be any anything.

It could be anything.

As long as it had something to do with the country.

Then you're good. Well either way. The writers, of course, sense are Chad Hayes and Carrie Hayes, twin brothers. That's very cool, the right, you're such a twin fan. They are a writing team that started their career on shows like bay Watch, Knights and beast Master. I never saw the show beasts Master, but the movie they Watch Nights, Oh my god, bay Watch Nights. They took regular Baywatch and then tried to make it even more risky. So it's like Baywatch Knights.

Yeah, more risky.

Oh yeah, they called it everything, but the nip like it was. It was yeah, bay Watch Nights.

Oh no, oh yeah, I definitely can't watch that. I'll be so no.

It's oh no, it's supposed to make you uncomfortable. But if you want to see a great movie, watch beast Master. Great movie.

Okay.

They would also write this movie sequel, Jumping Ship, but to my surprise, they've say went on to have quite a career in horror. They wrote the underrated House of Wax remake in two thousand and five, which then turned into getting them a gig on a little movie called The Conjuring, which has since become a massive genre franchise. You'd love to see that. Okay, guys, let's put this grass in a grinder and turn horse sense into a smoothie.

I literally put in my head, oh my gosh, should we just start a movie without being in a bedroom for a tcon?

And then I went, oh, no, we did it.

Hey there. We only ready to make the bedroom trope even better is by starting with a wonderful breakfast. Oh I love that. We see a cowboy hat, a frame photo of a boy and his dad and young Tommy whittling Wood next to his dog. His mom yells out, breakfast is ready. He has to hustle. He does want a Missus plane. He makes a whistle for his cousin Michael. He really liked the one he made for his family reunion.

He's in college?

Right? Because they say he's twenty, Yes, he's so this has got to be he's in. I think this is a college course that he's I mean.

The campus was obviously a college kid.

That's how I look at it too. Okay, so we're gonna say Michael's now in college. He could have been in high school, but I think he if he.

As a twenty one year old in high school, there is nothing more than a super super senior, that's insane.

Well, he's twenty and he was getting a D plus, so it's not like he's an amazing student. No, I think you're right. I think it's college too.

I thought I thought so too, especially with like what they were they were learning about, like the market.

And they all looked older and everything.

Yeah, she looked older that everyone looked.

Agree in college, Yeah, I agree, I agree. Okay, So the test grades are being passed back on the last day of the school year. He's seated next to Gina and she's talking about how her dad is wrapping a movie and really wants to meet her new boyfriend. Michael hopes they end up in the Riviera at the same time, but it depends on when Gina's dad starts his next movie.

But anyway it does because that's like, I don't my parents are real estate agents and that was not ever something they learned in college.

They have to go to.

Write a special special schooling for that.

Yeah.

Yeah, but it was like, you know, okay, I shouldn't. I need to. I need to keep this in mind. This is gonna happen, this is.

Going to mean something exactly. Michael then looks at his test score. He got a D. Not so good. Now out in the quad, Gina gives him a two week anniversary present, the famous two week anniversary present. It's a new watch and he loves it, but when trying it on, he realizes he's thirty minutes late to pick up Tommy. He races off to the airport, eventually picking up Tommy in his convertible Porsche sports car. He blames LA traffic

Lawrence with Matthew Lawrence.

And now brink was on the screen when he turns on the thing. I was like, yeah, and there's brink. So we're getting Eastern kind of little easter eggs all over the place, which is left it very fun. The next morning, Arlene is happy to make Tommy a traditional Montana breakfast, none of that grass smoothie. He promises he's gonna make a breakfast soon, just as Michael storms in. He's got to leave to run errand, so Tommy invites himself to go along. Michael thinks Tommy would have more

Jackal Johnson Jackals, not jack Jock, but Johnson. It's a little bit better because it's just one crazy name, Mule Mule.

I love it. Yes, no, it's it is officially on the list. Michael promises him they'll do whatever he wants, and leaves without drinking a smoothie at all. Doesn't touch it, doesn't put it to his lips, just grabs it. It's orange in some way, and just puts it right down. Later, Tommy outside alone, kicking around a sode kerball and hitting tennis balls by himself in what has to be the saddest montage in the history of any dcom and we get kind of another little montage of the next few days.

It is the same thing. It's the same way on the channel. How we probably every you know, every network. How you have to like put something over a Nike Yeah, you.

Get it's called greeking it out. You have to greek out the logo. Yes, it's very strange. We would always change the products on our on the set of Boy Meets World, so it's like we'd get Captain cunch. Oh, and if they did st Waffel crisp instead of waffle, could they cover out one part? So it was just it was va It was a vaffle crisp. You do things like that. Oak. We drank a lot of oak, just the way it was. Yes, Tommy is so excited and Arlene seems happy as well, so they decide to

I love it too, And I'm sure when people were watching this they're.

Like, hey, I know that one. That's you know, I watch a brink so fun.

We cut to a horse track where now Michael, Gina, and her dad are cheering on a thoroughbred. Michael has been picking winners and Gina's dad wants to know his secret, which again I thought was a whole different movie. This guy apparently went to four horse races and won four times. How is this not a bigger story than they're making it out to be. He's some kind of how is it not called the yeah, the the gambling sense or whatever. This guy could have been a jigillionaire.

Some people just have that. It's so strange.

No one can pick horse winners. I don't believe it's all it's all guessing.

Yes, that's what I mean.

Like does he pick Michael could really just be like I can pick winners.

No, Like it's just like you just kind of like for whatever he's in that luck of just like yeah, for no reason at all, you're just like.

Eating Meanie Miny.

Moe Monroe just learned how to do that, and you're just like eating Meani Miney mo that one and then they win.

That happens so crazy.

It does.

Well, that's Joey Lawrence's character is a lucky horse picker. I don't even know what they're called the horses exactly. So everything's going great, but Michael knows he has to run and pick up Tommy, but Gina's dad says he can't leave before the next race. He needs to pick him another winner, which again, I wouldn't let him leave either. Gina also begs him to stay, so he does, eventually sprinting to his car and crashing into an old lady's vehicle on his way out, and they exchange info very

It is.

Michael's parents get home from Palm Springs and ask how Disneyland was. Tommy covers from Michael, saying it was exactly how he expected it to be, but he's tired and needs to go pack. Michael also lies and tells his dad the damage on his car was from a hit and run. The next morning, Tommy is ready to fly home. He takes one last look at the whistle he never had a chance to give to Michael and returns it

I didn't feel like he did it on purpose. I literally think I've just felt like he like just.

Gave her the wrong information.

However, when he was doing it, he was doing it off of memory, and I'm like, I could never give my insurance card number.

No nobody knows that.

Like that was like, what but no, I'm so sorry, surpose huh. Oh, I thought he just like like tried to do it and then gave her the wrong information.

Take care what it was.

I thought he kind of because he never says when he's getting yelled at like, I thought I gave her all my information. I didn't try to run away.

Hey, yeah he did.

No, Does he say I I screwed up and gave her the wrong information?

Yes, he said I gave I didn't realize I gave her the wrong information.

So then I miss I missed that part. I didn't. I didn't see that. Oh, okay, got more. Then there you go.

Yeah, because there's just no way someone He's like he was thinking he could give her the wrong information and she wasn't gonna like report it.

Oh see, I thought he was gonna, oh, here's my information by and he bounced like this old lady's never gonna be able to find me.

I didn't know.

He mentions it later, saying, I guess I gave her the wrong information.

We've got it.

We're gonna have to ask him what was the real backstory of Yes, I love that.

We're gonna figure it out. What's the backstory? By the way, my favorite thing in the world in this movie, and it's such an inside baseball thing for anyone who knows them, but the Lawrence brothers call everybody buddy, hey, buddy, And then they called each other throughout the entire movie. I was like, Oh, it's so true to life. Yes, hey, buddy. Once the cops leave, Michael's mom and dad are obviously furious. They don't know what's gotten into him. He swears, he oh,

And they also set it up to where this is although they have a lot of money, you do get the the information that they aren't old money. They've earned their money, so it they're really making sure that they understand, like their kid understands the idea of working hard and earning your you know, earning dollar, the.

Value of a dollar. And I love that. I always love those me too.

I thought this was it was. I thought this was another movie where all of the adults were great.

Yes, well they were. It was mainly adults in this movie.

Yeah, yeah, they were the first time in a.

Long time a movie we're watching with mainly adults.

Yeah other than Andy, yeah, everybody, he's the only kid. Everybody else are adults and they were really really good in this movie. Yes, and so Michael lands in Montana now sporting some flashy expensive western gear but clearly a city slicker. After playing round Stone Cow. I was like, wow, look at that boots. Oh, it was, but kind of a perfect Beverly Hills like this is obviously what cowboys look like.

It was perfect.

It was perfect, It really was. Right off the plane, he bumps into a more realistic cowboy played by his very hunky brother, Matt, Sabrina, did you immediately know it was Matt? Yes?

And he looks so cute? And I went, wait, I didn't think Matt was in This is Matt in this movie? Is this a cameo? What is going on right now?

Just a cameo?

And it threw me a little bit.

Cute boy cameo? Come on, let's oh.

He's Oh yeah, for sure. He looked great.

Would he be on your wall? Would map be one of the guys on your wall? No, God, We're never gonna find a guy for your wall. You're gonna end up with a guyless wall. Sabrina, I know, I know. Is Joey.

H probably?

Yeah?

Okay, awesome, Yeah.

Okay, there's a long haired Joey.

Yeah, I guess. I just he was just so funny and just so dreamy.

Like okay, hey, I'm I was.

Really little during Blossom though, right, and that's okay, Just like.

Anyone I see you in just this, this horrible white room with nothing on your walls. So now at least there's a Joey.

Lawrence dance pictures and things like that.

Well and a Joey We're putting joy lawns up there. It's just the words. I'm just glad that we got somebody on your walls.

I definitely didn't have a room ever with like in sync or even if I was, even though I was fans of that, I never had like a room like a room.

How about in your locker, I didn't have a locker. We already we talked about this locker had different child.

I almost locker almost at my gym, like upgraded my membership to get a locker, just so I had one, even though I would have never left stuff I'm buying for Christmas.

I don't know how that's possibly like a little mini one I'm gonna get. I'm getting you a full sized locker delivered to your house. So Odd Jewels and Tommy are there to pick him up and sarcastically compliments Michael's boots. You get the feeling he has not yet forgiven him for his la trip. Jeweles makes a quick stop at a nearby bank to talk to a guy in a suit, and eventually exits adding papers to her folder. She definitely looks stressed. We are now at the ranch. Michael is

Tana's Gonna suck for Michael.

It's absolutely well it is.

Tommy says, he went to the bluff and saw that three colored paint again, and I had no idea what he was talking about, not at all. Had rewind it twice.

I did too. I was like, was he saying three colored pig?

Yeah?

I don't know.

I just accepted what. I figure it out later because I was like, I don't know, there's a three colored paint, Okay, I know what that means. Twister and Mule leave for work, and Tommy gleefully decides Michael's first day will be doing work around the barn. Sounds harmless enough Michael also meets Goliath, a very mean bull that once tried to kill Mule. How dare you? I will kill anyone who tries to

Oh really, when he gets out of the.

Mud, they're still shooting him head on. And I paused it. I'm like, they're not even trying to hide. It's just some other guy.

It just not that though I did not notice that several times.

In this movie. It's just some other dude.

Oh my gosh. You know why, I was going, what kind of in my head?

Then I start going, if I had to do this scene, what would it be that I was actually falling into just because even mud seems disgusting.

It's mud, You're falling in the mud. Come on, you're making a movie. I know, But I was amazed. I was like, oh god, that's not even They show another guy. I thought it was a mistake. They show another guy pushing the wheelbarrow and then falling into the mud and then getting up and looking at the camera with glasses on him, like, that's that's just not him. For the last ten seconds, it hasn't been him. If you don't want to try to hide.

It, you know his face so well because I did not notice that.

Gobe Honestly, go back and watch and you're like, oh my god.

Joey was Joey up on your wall?

Will now that you know it's I just noticed stuff, Sabrina, And yes he was. He was dreamy. What do you want from me?

Hey?

Hey, hey.

The first time I met Joey Lawrence, we're both twelve years old, and we bumped into each other. Literally. I was going in and he was coming out of the Ed Debevieck's bathroom and in.

Line, I loved vicksh At Tobeks is the best.

We've talked about it on Potmetrol all the time, Magical Rewind and Podmeworld sponsored by Ed Debecks. Uh, they're not anyway. Later, Tommy and his mom are on the porch, looking concerned. What are they going to do? She says that they'll have to go live with their uncle Hank for a while, just until they can get their feet back on the ground.

I could have done for it to go a little bit longer, a.

Little bit less, so that you and your three friends could get up and make wishes.

I get run to the window and make a wish.

I get it. He's obviously never seen a shooting star in Los Angeles, and he has to admit Montana is beautiful. Gina begs him not to go all quote, dances with wolves on him unquote, and becomes frustrated when he's not paying attention to her and hangs up. It's also worth noting that a very popular nineties club, Dragonfly, is mentioned here some la realism in the script. I had to ask producer Jensen if that was real thing, because apparently it is. And I've never been to a club in

Crowds in me can't do it. I get elbowed in the head. It was not good for me.

Yeah, but you could dance the night away. We all know. I've seen it. I've seen it. I saw you with what's his name? With the guy who you made out with. We'll get into that later. Would that guy venue? Oh? Would dancing guy from Chetah Girls tube on your wall?

No?

Wow?

Okay no, first on screen kiss wouldn't have been in the wall. That's sad, Sabrina. So when Gina quickly calls back to apologize for her attitude, the ringing spooks his horse, kicking Michael out of the saddle and causing the cows to stampede. He runs away, and as they chase me, calls nine to one one. He eventually jumps in a tree to let them pass, but that was another close call. The group eventually catches up with the now smashed cell

I got it.

Was like, hey, Michael, why don't we start like looking around before you start your next project and just make sure that you.

Know what you're doing, because now it's starting.

You Shame on, you fool me twice pulls in a truck. So that's as the old saying.

Is the old old old say. Everyone knows Mike.

That everyone knows that. Michael says the reunion wasn't real life. They were the only two people under thirty. He was just so bored. He had nothing better to do than hang out with Tommy. They decided at that point to stay out of each other's way for the rest of his stuff.

That was harsh, though, Michael, come on, you're twenty. This kid's young, and.

That's but it also shows how good an actor Andy is. Andy was so good. I mean, they both are, but Andy was so good in the scene. He is a true dcom star. I also feel like we might have gotten a little bit robbed of him as a mainstream

He was great, Yes, And I honestly I don't know his like you know story of like why and what happened where?

You know, yeah, where the career ended up going.

Because you're right, he was great and everyone loved him. And how adore this age before he's hitting his like cool guy age. How adorable is he? Like, yeah, he could be in anything anything.

Well, look at him in this and then look at him and going to the mat. It looks like two different people. I mean, he looks so much like a Lawrence and going to the mat and here he's like he's a Lawrence obviously, but he's just the cute leading kid y.

Yeah, his eyes are just like the kindest little teddy bear eyes.

You just want to just like, oh, come here, give me a hug a little bit.

He does.

He definitely lights up the scream he does.

He does.

Michael then finds a safe spot to nap on his truck, only to eventually be startled by Twister, barking orders the rebuilding of the fence will take weeks, which Michael just doesn't have the patience for, and Twister points out that Michael just doesn't give a darn, and he does say darn about the family losing their ranch, which Michael doesn't get. Lose their ranch. Yeah he didn't know. Twister says everything, Michael, right now, isn't that truck, and then rides away. We're

I'm telling you he was. He was.

I will I will say this, and I'm very comfortable in my own sexuality. I know the man can fill out a tank top. That's all I have to say.

There's not very many guys either that like I would be like, I don't really love guys in the tank tops, but like Joey and Lawrence can wear a tank it's okay, Like good, it's okay, it's okay. Like I really don't I'm not into tank tops with guys really that much.

But Joey can fill a.

Tank top works on Joey Man, What do you want to say? He just can't.

You can't. You can't take it away from him.

You can't.

That would be a lie.

We'd be lying, and we don't do that on the show.

We absolutely don't. It is nothing but the truth here on Magical.

On Magical rewind. Eventually, Tommy dismounts nearby and points out the three colored paint something we can finally understand. He was talking about a multi colored horse and the herd has let her join the group. Tommy knew they would. Michael apologizes for earlier he said some cruel things that weren't true. At the reunion, he truthfully had a great time. They sit on a bench that Tommy's dad made, and

Was just unreal. It really was.

And there's a couple scenes in the movie that are that are like this, that are just really good quiet dcom scenes that were great.

Yes, I mean throughout the whole movie. It was just like, man, you just kept going for me. I just kept going.

God, these guys are good, but they're just.

I mean, I will believe anything they're selling at this point, like they're just so good.

In all fairness, I think after the last scene, no matter what he was selling, if he was in the tank top, you'd be buying.

Let's be honest, this is Oh I can't even give you just the seed, because then you just take it and you grow a freaking orchard with it.

God damn it.

Okay, seeds are meant to grow things, Sabrina, seeds are meant to grow things. That's the way it works. Later, Michael comfortably sprints home on his horse to call his dad. He tells them about Jewels and Tommy's financial situation, but his dad already knew about it. His dad actually tried to help them, but they won't accept his money. They're too proud to take handouts. He even offered to make it alone, but Jewels said no. Michael doesn't get it.

True to the time, because at this time there were so many different pyramid schemes kind of out there.

I guess that's true.

Yeah, it was really true to the and it was a quick way to make a buck. And how people, especially young people, I mean, how many times was it like a door to door salesman situation where you're just like, yeah, okay.

So if you and I can get two other podcasts to come together, and then they get two.

Other podcasts, right, it's just ridiculous.

It'll work, It'll work. Yes, good news is Twister figures out it's a gambling scam and passes on the idea, but reiterates jewels won't take money from anyone anyway. Michael just doesn't get all this pride, Twister explains, it just don't make any sense to keep the business going. It happens to a lot of farmers and ranchers, which is another kind of underlying story of this movie, as it does happens to a lot of farmers and ranchers who work their butts off to keep the rest of us fed,

That was one of the things, like the guy can't have a clue on how to get this fence started to get finished.

But he's building a small home.

But he can go up there and build a tiny, a tiny little apartment.

In like two hours, he builds the whole house, including a debt with with a railing. So it was like, oh my god, the only the only thing missing this is like I'm putting the pool in the morrow, Like what's the problem? It was? It was a lot it should have been like it again, like he.

Just did a lot of like not I don't think he needed to finish it.

He could have just made it like like the progress, like a lot of progress to show like it.

Should have been something like that was so close to being done, but the last three boards he keep the Tommy keeps putting up and pulling off, and putting up and pulling off. I couldn't say. Michael goes to finish it, and he like does the finishing touches, but the idea of that in two hours, he's able to finish the entire home. It's a five bedroom.

Hall, four and a half fast It's very nice.

It's on Zillow check.

It out, stick it out for three million dollars three point two million.

But when the duo returned to see his work, Tommy is not happy. He was supposed to finish it with his dad. He starts frantically dismantling it, breaking down and crying in pain.

Another great scene. Great see mister Andy Lawrence. Yes, great and.

Even the way Joey reacts. They're both really good in this movie. Now Inside, Michael calls Gina to tell her about Jules's terrible financial situation when he's heading off to Europe. They won't you to have a house. She doesn't care. It's all too depressing. She wants to talk about villas, five star restaurants and a racehorse or dad just bought. He explains he's proud of himself. He's been learning and

A new girl name for us.

Gina, Like from now on, Yeah, seriously, God's damn it Gina.

That's it. There it is God, Gina, Gina.

Don't even get me started. Don't get me started on Gina. The next morning, he is still working when he hears a stampede of horses. He's quick to remember all their names, but then Tommy races down the hill and his horse screaming for Twister. He tells Michael that Tommy Boy is dying. Michael jumps on Tommy's horse to help and finds Tommy Boy stuck in the mud. Tommy tried to lasso him out but can't get to him, so Michael wants to go in, but Tommy knows he has an easier time

The close up on the eye.

On the eyes, all that stuff. Michael is touched and impressed by his cousin's calmness, only snapping out of his reaction when he has to work again to pull him out. It is a tough push and pull, but eventually they save Tommy boy and let him be free. They did it, the cousins worked together. We're now back at the house. Jewels sees the boys returning and is not only shocked to see how muddy her son is, but Michael is only five minutes to shower and make his flight home.

God damn it, Gina, damn it, Gina, God damn it Gina have arrived to pick him up for Europe.

Elena can tell something is bothering Michael, but he says everything's okay. He gets his luggage and makes his way to the limo, but when Gina say.

It, God damn it, Gina.

Runs out to greet him. He doesn't give his bags to the chauffeur. He's not going. He realizes there's something more important than he has to do, and Gina, God damn it, Gina is not happy. We cut to a car dealership when Michael has sold his car. Then he decides to liquidate his trust fund at the bank. Back in Montana, Jewels and Tommy are packing up their things. They're sad, but they know things will work out, and then the door opens. It's Michael. He says it's time

Wrong, Everything was wrong.

That's what I started joking. I was watching the thing and I was like, Michael, this is one long sentence.

None ask him for your textbook. Where's your text book? Let's get the actual facts. Michael something this essay.

Exactly, let's look for something other than that. Hey, that's a good idea. Next thing, you know, Michael is running back to the auction. His car is blocked in, so he quickly hops on Lightning and takes the horse all the way to the bank to meet with the man for closing on the ranch. He tells the banker his ot and cousin work hard, and he knows there's no such thing as quick fix, but he's done some research

I've got a one star by our friend of the podcast named got another one from unnamed somebody who wants to say something on the internet and not claim it. All right, one star? Well, what do you expect from a Disney movie? Cheese and over the top, heartwarmy moments. But John Lawrence is nice to look at all right.

Okay, for the record, Johnny Lawrence was the bad guy in Karate Kid, so that's there. They're they're mixing up Lawrence boys.

Okay, don't give this nomid person any credit.

That is garbage. This movie was greatly was it.

Was okay, let's do our We of course to the part of our program that Sabrina loves. It's our feature presentation. This game, set up by producer Jensen, is called horse Sense or sixth Sense. We better hope we were paying attention because this week we'll be given a movie quote and we must decide if it's a line from the movie we just recapped, horse Sense or the nineteen ninety nine breakout mystery thriller sixth Sense from m Night chamel In.

I think you guys are both horse sensed out. Let's see.

I don't know if I'm gonna get this. Okay, first quote, you think you're the only one who has to fight. I'm gonna say sixth Sense.

Yeah, Oh that's funny because it's horse sense.

Come on, who says that?

Twister?

Oh god? This movie?

Yeah, I figured this is gonna happen. I was like, like, they just watched it, but I don't think it. I think you're gonna be horse sensed out. Yeah, unsensible?

Maybe our second quote, I didn't know you were funny. I didn't know you were funny. Sixth sense, horse sense, it's sixth sense. Yes, finally got one.

Who's funny in sixth sense?

Everybody that movie was just sterical.

We didn't recap six cents, so I can't tell you.

The third quote. You saw that on TV?

I do love how just down the line these quotes.

Are I know, they're so random.

It's like there was one that was like hello, and I was like, it could be either one.

I can't right, you saw that on TV. I'm going to say.

That's sixth sense.

I'm going to say horse sense splitting it one, it's sixth sense. Okay, so you've got okay, wait, you gotta get both these, yep?

Okay?

And the fourth quote you think this is a joke?

Horse sense sense feets are so good.

It's horse sense twister again.

Yes, and number five I think we've won because number five is I see dead People, which is clearly horse sense six got th congrats, another double win.

We're getting there. That was good.

Dang, that was like, seriously, have.

Been Can we please do some Sabrina sas?

Of course we can. So we are going to where are we going to start here again. I already told you the the wow, we're not in the bedroom, just kidding, We are right into the bedroom, just like right from the beginning I wanted to go over with. We had a lot of I don't know what you call them, name drops or kind of either like spin offs of names or name drops. We've talked about a couple of them, but we did stop on each of them, like Lethal the movies of the director Lethal Force instead of what

To use that, right.

And then of course we also did say the what it was it, oh medieval.

Times was called.

Nights of the Round Table, Knights of the Roundtable.

I just thought that was interesting.

We haven't really seen or heard a lot of that in the d cooms that much. They kind of played with it a lot more. And then along the time along the line, I said, we saw a thing of missus doubtfire and we saw Brink twice in the movie. So this was a little kind of funny thing, like you said, those eggs that we got to kind of see or hear.

Well Matt law and of course Matt Lawrence. Yeah, his cameo. That's on mine too.

I loved the little linguo because I thought this was a dated little thing. But it says the mom at the very beginning with Michael says, you said, no problem.

Oh that's like dated, right? Is this movie came out?

I feel like pretty tubular. I don't know, is that wrong?

I feel like this was that was dated, but I don't know. To me, I was like, no problelimo. We mentioned it a little bit, but this I want to think. I have racked my brain. And this is our first college student in a dcom. We haven't had anyone to college.

Have we not been to college?

Not at all? I don't think unless the.

Only time it's been mentioned, I can think of it being mentioned. The older brother in Hannah Montana movies, and most college see him in correct, correct, David has We didn't see him?

No, not David Henry.

Is that David Henry?

No?

Is he the older brother mont No, he's from uh.

Oh, he's from Jason.

Earls Jason David Henry was in the.

Is Wizards of Waverley Place, Thank you, Yes, that's it.

And then I thought it was odd, even though I know we were just kind of getting through it. But when he mentions a hit and run to his parents like that, they were like, oh, that's weird, like you could know you got a hit and run.

I mean, let's call the cops. Like you can't just like throw out hit and run and not think that.

You guys, some guy walked up and stabbed me. It's no big deal, right, okay?

And then again I have to say, like a Rhymestone cown boy, like, I mean, that guy was so good when he got off the plane.

You had to see it. You had to see it.

Andy, this is this is a funny thing for me after doing our interview and learning so much more about him and how musical he is and can it from you a lot?

Why couldn't he play that triangle?

I think.

I know, but it just like like it's like get it in there, like what are you doing? It's so funny, like I just you.

Can play the guitar, play the triangle.

So when you hang out with him next, just like remind him that like he does to work on his triangles, skilled.

That's the best.

And then I got this was on it.

But we obviously find out that it was a horse. But I was kind of thinking for a minute that that three colored paint that he was talking about. Quickly after, just in a few minutes, they talk about God's painting, so I went, oh, that must have been where the reference was going. But then no, it was a horse. So they got me.

They got me.

I thought they were talking about a sunset at some point, and then they got me. No, we're talking about a horse, and that's it.

There we go, thank you so much. And now, of course we come to the part of our program where we have to rate the film we just saw. Yes, I'm sorry, I'm just figuring out what the rating system should be to do. Let's do one out of ten and want to I do, I do, and we'll do one this time is the lowest, and we'll do ten the best and our options this week one out of ten friends named Mule, one out of ten movies, Tornado Grass Smoothies, one a ten Dead Dad alerts oh one

Uh, god, Gas, we got it.

Goddamn it, Genas. I think I'm going first this time because I think you went first for the last movie.

Right, No, well, no, you went, well, we did on Tuesday, we did the Cheetah Girls.

So yeah, and I rted first, didn't I you? We wouldn't have started with you, right, Oh that's right, So then it is your first time. Sorry, my bad.

Good.

Well, because I want to make sure this is like a true, true one because I really liked this movie. It wasn't necessarily one of my favorite movies, but I loved it because, especially now that we're getting a chance to do an interview with Joey the friends of the Pod being on it, and I loved that they were so freaking good in this movie. This just put the stamp on the royalty of the Lawrence family and what they have and what they should be honored with at

But what I liked about it, it wasn't like.

The high energy you know of the musicals that we watch, and it wasn't necessarily super drama driven either.

I mean, the drama was there, it was like in the middle. And it was a really easy watch. It was nice.

It was slower pace than kind of what we've seen, which normally would be like snoozefest for me because I kind of like the pace a little bit faster. But I liked it and I enjoyed it. It was just like a really easy watch. And so I'm going to give this an eight point five.

God damn it, Gena's.

I love that. I I couldn't agree with you more. I thought it was a really good movie. I thought they were engaging. They were great together. Andy and Joe just I thought did really well. The movie made sense, you know, it wasn't a ridiculous premise to why you get this this guy from Beverly Hills. It worked.

It worked, and there really weren't any holes, Like no, it worked.

I mean there's a couple of things. There was a couple obvious uh stunt men where it was bad where it was like, wow, that's not even close to being Joey Lawrence. But other than that, I thought, again, the acting was great, the adults were good, there was accountability for the kids. I really liked this movie, and I'm matching your eight point five. I thought that exact same thing eight point five. God damn it Genas for this movie, because I thought this was it was, it was, it was.

Okay, that is something we've got to just quickly hit.

This movie was gorgeous, beautiful, budget beautiful, like it was bigger than what a lot of our dim cooms are.

The budget looked pretty hefty.

Now, it was a beautiful movie, and I would suggest anybody go and check it out. So there you go. That's our movie, horse Sense. Our next movie is another very high profile movie. We are recapping a Disney heavyweight People. It is two thousand and threes Lizzie McGuire movie available to stream on Disney Plus. Wow. So get in front of us and watch it before next week if you can. I've never seen a single Lizzie McGuire thing in my entire life. I don't know if she's a wizard, if

This won't really like mess you up at all, but there's like a cartoon aspect in it.

I love that.

Animation is my favorite thing in the world.

Yeah, I know you would like it, So I.

Got animation posters all around me. So love that very much. But we're not done yet here because we've got a big Park Copper episode this week. We've talked about it, We're going to take it. We're doing it. It's happening. We were talking to a nineties icon and Michael the city boy from Horse Sense. It is Joey Lawrence himself. We had a ton of fun talking about not only this movie, but the guy's entire career. Take a listen right now so we can watch Appetite. Was it always

We actually we found a couple of great writers, Chad and Carry Hayes, who are great writers, and yeah, we came up with the idea, sort of pitched it to Gary Marsh and yeah, and they obviously wanted to do something.

I promise that's one you did not want to miss. I mean, in all fairtas, you shouldn't miss any our interviews. We're talking to so many Disney legends. Just search for Magical Rewind wherever you get your podcasts and subscribe to our dedicated feed. And for more info, you can follow us that Magical Rewind pod on the Instagram Machine. Bye everybody, Bye,