Welcome to Blockchain Radio. 5 plebs 4 plebs which focuses on the intersection of Bitcoin protocol. Join QW and Avi as they on the weekly news and developments, breaking down the curve foundation of Thinkers, doers All right, we're live. Welcome, gentle plebs, to episode number 110 of Pleb Chain Radio. Today is Friday, the 2nd of May, and it is 6.02pm on the East Coast of the United States at the time of recording. We have a fun show ahead of you today. Tanya, Open Mic, and Derek Ross.
Join us to talk about NOSVEGAS and all the plans in place for that incredible Well, I hope it's going to be incredible. I think these folks will ensure that it will be. And a reminder, folks, if you are listening to the show on Apple or Spotify. First of all, thank you for listening, but I would urge you to hit pause and switch over to the Fountain Podcasting app where you can earn some stats and support the value for value revolution as you listen.
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And the caption on the arrow is, never spending Bitcoin, but instead depositing it with KYC custodians in exchange for fiat loans. And QW, you have been paying attention to Bitcoin and Noster culture in the last week, even though you've been on vacation. It's been tough, man. I don't know how I'm supposed to be hanging out on Noster. Hanging out on a beat. So it's, it's been tough, but I, I have been picking in, um, looks like there's some good, uh,
There's some good arguments about core and knots. That seems to be the drama that's going on. You know, I tend to side with the Bitcoin mechanic of the world. What are your thoughts? Anything on that? Well, I think it's a complicated topic on the face of it. It's almost not worth bringing it out because it's so complicated.
We could spend an entire show talking about it. I feel like we are. Let's just say... we actually have let's just say it's not in my mind not completely black and white on the face of it it's it seems egregious but when you scratch the surface you're like well maybe there's something here Yeah, I've seen some cores compromised, you know, running knots, all these things. It just seems like something hit a precipice this week that all of a sudden it's the urgency.
But it's whatever. So that's really what I've seen on the Noster, the conversation, but what part of the culture that we're excited about. is the show we're having right now. We're going to be talking about what's coming up, the launch music festival, or the launch music festival.
happened. That was a success. I want to talk to Derek maybe about that as well. But then there's the Nostra Lounge coming up that Derek, Tanya, and... and possibly open mic might be involved or you might spot them there um there's a lot of nostrid side quests the bitcoin golf championship i may be there obvi i'm really leaning that way um so i'm looking forward to that And then, of course, Wednesday night's the big Value for Value event at Scream. That's going to be Wednesday the 28th.
of this month now. So, uh, yeah. And then following that, we got the Nostrebama, uh, July 14th through the 17th. Um, so it's, uh, we seem to, we seem to be cooking up a lot of stuff. And I would like to see more and more success, more and more wins, because that's going to be our proof of concept to just multiply down the road. It certainly will, QW. Is that all you have for Culture Corner? That's it for today. Yeah, I wish I'd be more in the culture, but I've been more into the cervezas.
That's good. And KW, you know, for our top Zapper roast this week, we have been put in a rather interesting position. I certainly have. Because it is a person I'm not familiar with. So I've had to spend the morning doing my research on this person and unearthing as much information. and it was a gigazap by the way so thank you boobery i hope i'm pronouncing your name correctly
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I believe you have an interesting Selman install for us. Yeah, this is a separate event, though. This is on the 10th, correct? And maybe Open Mic can tell us a little bit more about this, because I want to understand liveislit.com. I'm really interested in this and I love that 20 artists, programmers, crew, musicians are included in the split. I've seen that. I've seen it on Fountain. You can actually confirm that there's splits going on during the live event.
And I just think that's so powerful. I know I've talked a couple years ago or a year and change, and we were talking, I think it was with Jim Costello, Phantom Power, and we were talking about all those splits.
open mic as well um we it was just it's great to see the things we talk about coming to reality and it's one of those things that's only available because of we have technology like technology like boosters apps and whatnot so it's it's one of those things that It's just powerful and I love it. Anyways, I want to look more into LiveIsLit.com. So sermon, kind of talking about that. I mean, we have the tools for travel, growing Noster on the road.
I'd like to call it a traveling circus, Avi. Grassroots, nostril growth is being attempted through booths at major Bitcoin companies. We've started that, or you guys did. Was it at Prague? Was that the original Nostra booth? That was the original. Yeah, and it seems to be the focus now. Hopefully, we're going to see it at Las Vegas, where it's going to be the nucleus, where people kind of start there and then work their way out. And like I said back then, I think any booth that's close to it.
might get a lot more foot traffic. And that's just my bullish prediction. But these booths are made possible by passionate volunteers who either crowdfund the cost or secure grant money. I mean, basically, it's just grassroots. And that's what I love about these events, whether it's the golf classic, the... The Scream, all this stuff is grassroots, all the way back to Culture Shock or Nostra Valley and upcoming.
Upcoming Nostra Bama. I mean, these are just people that care. They want to do something. And we have the tools for travel. So we get those Nostra traveling circus come and join these places that they're just. just authentically, organically created. It's something to me that those are the things I want to talk about. Those are the things that I want to shine light on. You know, it's just the booth model works because it creates real human connections. People get to see and use Nostra in person.
Just like that original Miami Bitcoin where they had the zap, zaplife.lol, zaps going on the big board. seeing that i mean you're seeing actual bitcoin transactions conversations happening all on this board where you're not you know it's it's happening from around the globe So it's just something that we have tools, we have tricks, we have... um disco balls that that spin when he gets zapped uh it truly is just uh we have an arsenal lobby
But QW, we certainly do. And the booth model works in the sense that it is a great way of driving adoption. We've seen firsthand. I certainly saw that in Prague, and then we've heard... various accounts in other places since Prague. But I guess the question really is how sustainable because a lot of it depends on things like crowdfunding, whether it's through Geyser, potentially grants from the handful of organizations or entities that do give grants for Nasdaq.
community donations right but i mean that is a question it's where and these boots are not cheap We're going to have to maybe ask Open Wallet or maybe Derek of what his, you know, I would say Open Mike has probably the most experience in some of this. sustainability, how sustainable is it, what's actually needed to...
to make this something where it's sustainable. And the booths are one thing, but these events that we can put together, that's a separate thing too. I feel like they all need to go together. You need that unconference and the booth. to fully experience Noster at these Bitcoin conferences. well and that's how you know once we crack that
That's the financial part of this. I think the booths should expand to more diverse content. I mean, we're seeing some of that. You mentioned it, QW, but it's to go to some of these cultural events, music festivals, sports events. where you won't necessarily see Bitcoiners, but you can engage those diverse communities. So that is one potential avenue of growth once the sustainability is fixed. Yeah, and all the bells and whistles that we're creating, building, using.
Those are the aha moments. Those are the experiences that people have. And they're like, wow, I get it now. That's really neat. What's that? Oh, it's Bitcoin. I used to own crypto once. No, no, you don't get it. All right, well, I think it's time to welcome our guests to the show, KW. Tanya, Derek, and Open Mic, welcome to Plep Chain Radio. It's good to be back. Great to be here.
Hello, thanks for having me. First timer, Tanja. First timer. Yeah, it's Tanja. I know it's pronounced as a... Oh, my bad. This is the problem with reading things forever. I know. Yeah, Tanya makes a lot more sense to me. So that's a natural fit for me. Okay. So we've got a... Derek, we'll start with a burning question for you.
It is, whatever the date the conference is, May 19th or May 22nd, whatever it is, you are there on that day at the NOSVEGAS and Rosselbricht, the Trump family, and Saylor all stroll in at the same time to the booth. oh man so it's uh yeah this sounds like an industry day meetup, so that would be on Tuesday. So they all come by. And obviously I walk over to them. Nostrich costume you know full purple ostrich and no we're not gonna have one of those um so I I would say hey
Let me talk to you about decentralized communication. You understand why decentralized money is great. And you seem to tout freedom of speech and various freedoms. Well, the embodiment of communication and freedom of speech is Noster. talk about the... benefits of that? Because I think that those people that you mentioned, at least the Trump family and Ross, understand freedom of speech, right? And Ross now is starting to...
post on Noster, and he understands decentralized communication and freedom of speech. So I think... i would be able to get that across to all of them but sailor sailor you know he was on nostr in the beginning in the beginning and then he rolled out his own uh Oh, God, what was it? His own identity service. So he stopped using a nostril the day he announced.
I don't know if I'd be able to convince him. I don't know if I'd say he was using the asteroid. It was like Bitcoin is everything. Yeah. With an AI photo. I mean, but that's all he posts really on Twitter. Winzap, sailor. Winzap. Yeah, he never zapped. Yeah, you're right. If you don't zap, are you using an Oscar? You can't zap digital real estate, man. Oh, man. Yeah, so I think part of the conversation to them would be, well...
You know, we have this value for value circular economy that we built because we're using Bitcoin as money. Even though you say it's not money. Well, here's, you know, a few thousand people. That would definitely be part of the conversation. But I think the freedom of speech angle for those people would get them. Do you think the Trump family understands decentralized money? No, I don't think they do. I think they look at it as another grift to enrich themselves.
and they're just hopping on the latest buzz and latest trend. That's my opinion. I don't think they understand it at all. So, Tanya, this is your first time on the show. We've had Derek and open mic stories over and over again. I'm actually a little bored. with both of their back stories. We've had them on there. You know, we're still here, right? We can hear them. We haven't actually roasted Derek yet.
We're just waiting for that zap. That was it right there. He just roached him. He said he's bored with me. I heard him. I said with your back story. So, Tanya, what a... Yeah, you know, you are relatively new to the Bitcoin scene, right? I think Bitcoin Prague was when you burst onto the scene. So what is that story? What was that journey? And what was the journey up until Bitcoin Prague? And then what has it been like since then? Well, I think Bitcoin Prague changed my life.
like like everybody like I I'm like how many months is that nine months in so like ever since I'm going down the Nostra and the Bitcoin rabbit hole is being a rollercoaster like I'm like Bitcoin super volatile I would say and yeah so my life before was like also very like exciting like I worked like many years in London like I've been and experienced the drastic fiat world being like manager in a real estate company then the lockdown came and life changed i needed to go back to germany so
Things have been very bad for my family because they are both doctors and they were not so happy what the government was doing so we were writing and complaining publicly.
on social media about that questioning the system and like of course yeah then we experience like all of us firsthand that you can get shadow banned like blocked restricted you have no power like you know so and I was always looking for like something what is missing kind of things and then I had the amazing opportunity to go to Prague like to the conference. And I've been to many conferences before because that's what I normally do for a living, like being an event manager.
But Prague was just like so different because the people were different. I remember when I came to the booth and met Derek for the first time and had no idea what NOSTER is, what NOSTER stands for. he was willing to sit down and talk to me it was very patiently and i was like what you mean nobody can delete you and what does that mean and then i was like wow this is crazy Of course, you met so many amazing people and then I said, well, maybe this is the path.
Ever since I've been traveling the last, I would say, I think six or seven months. So I'm now back in Buenos Aires in Argentina. and yeah learn here a lot like here's a great community which are like building on Noster and of course a heavy Bitcoin I'm very excited to go to Vegas. I've never been there. Such a big conference, meeting so many new people is incredible. This is really, really crazy. How is Germany right now? Is that where you currently live? Like officially I live there still.
right europe is going down it's like yeah i'm sorry to say that and well i mean as an american i i hear oh the af i think it's called the afd uh is becoming the most popular party but they're starting to
kind of eliminate them, not even have them qualified. It's getting weird. And I'm just across the pond looking at them like, I didn't really picture Germany going so... censorship and uh full-on you know digital id style um super heavy it's like I always like I've never thought I would say that because I always thought Germany is like It's safe, it's good in production, but I'm from Berlin, right? So it's not safe anymore, I would say. I feel safer here in Buenos Aires than in Berlin, right?
and the people are like, don't question the system at all. and even like you can't even have a conversation like you know if they like talk about the US for example or Trump everything is super super bad and it's like Are you listening to yourself, people? So I think apart from Switzerland, Europe is really falling apart. Um So talk to me. You went from Bitcoin to Nostra, and it seems like you're actually making a lot of content.
um what's the creative side of you uh because you know you go from actually making events but You know, you have your, no one can see it right now, but you have your Bitcoin sign behind you. You were ready to go with video. And I've noticed you've actually done a few. shows now. What's the creative side of you? Are you starting to feel like Noster's creating an avenue where you can kind of blossom a bit? Yeah, I think, like, I'm more bullish on NOSTA than on Bitcoin, I would say. I mean...
It's a little bit the other way around. I'm a writer, so I published two novels. And sometimes I just like to write stuff, but I never saw... the possibility to actually get also some like income from my writings until I like found Noster and I use Yakihoni or highlighter where I public some short articles and I really just enjoy that and you get honest feedback right and then people also zap you and it's like
how crazy is that right like on linkedin or so it's like super superficial you have to be very careful what you like right because then the other day i posted something on linkedin about nostr and like freedom of speech and they took it down like seriously so it's like Yeah, same for Twitter. I have to be very careful what I write now on Twitter because as soon as I write freedom of speech on Noster, they shut my account down for 24 hours.
It's so weird. It's the quote, you're not in Kansas anymore. You're not on Noster anymore. All of a sudden you get a ban, you're like, what the hell is that? What just happened there? I'm not on Noster anymore. Yeah, no, that's hilarious. So maybe QW will start with open mic here. on what's in store. from the value for value side at Nosweik.
Yeah, there's a lot to unpack here, Avi. We've got a few side quests. And then Open Mic has another event that I want to talk about too, just briefly. But yeah. Open mic. Talk to us. Tell me what you got going on. Yeah, it's a busy May. It's going to be a lot of value for value. We had a pretty... Come gather the breath. December and Sats by Southwest and had a pretty quiet queue on. May is
May's going to be great. You've already mentioned the events at We All Scream, which is the Noster side event that Tanya, Derek, Avi, all of us are working on. and we have the value for value music that phantom power is curating at the bitcoin golf championship on monday of the vegas conference so we'll have two big value for value activations at the big conference, which is great. And then, yeah, I have concerts earlier in the month also. So it's popping right now, and there's a lot of things.
Derek spent a weekend last weekend out in Pennsylvania with the Costellos and Phantom Power, Purple Pill and musicians all over there for, what, three days, Derek? Yeah. We've got a lot of fun stuff to talk about at this Noster booth, and we're extremely grateful for HRF. They're the ones who... are putting up the funds to get this huge footprint right outside of the open source stage at the conference.
spreading the good word of Noster and bringing on as many newcomers as possible and really taking over, turning Vegas purple. And you talk about other events earlier this month. Tell me about the Shredder performance that's going to be going on and what that means for you. Oh, yeah. Thanks for bringing that up. Shredders is a collective of... Local hip-hop legends actually in Minneapolis. If you look up the band Doomtree, that's a collective of seven individual artists who are...
They're absolutely epic. They'd sell out our venues multiple nights in a row. They had an annual event called the Doomtree Blowout, and one of them was like seven days long, all straight sellouts. And they've all got these great blossoming individual solo careers and life has gotten busier. And so they have all, you know, they've scattered around the country. And Shredders is a spin-off of the Doomtree Collective group.
They have not played together in five years just due to proximity and COVID and all that. Their manager approached me actually about three or four months ago. We're just talking about how the difficulties of being an independent artist, all the stuff that we talk about in Value for Value all day long. And he's literally just like talking about stuff that Noster and Bitcoin fix. And he was open to the idea of giving this a try.
they announced the show it's sold out literally in in a matter of minutes the whole the whole concert was sold out to the general public and um we're going to be throwing it up on a live stream from the same room that uh ainsley costello and just loud played in minneapolis in 2023 so that's a fun little you know nod nod to v4v history to get that going and uh but have like a real hip-hop show that's um everybody in the room is not gonna
They're going to have no idea all the stuff that's going on online. And my hope is that, you know, maybe we could even zap them more money than they make in person and really, really get their attention. have some of this circular economy start cranking. This will be the very first sold out show, correct? Yeah, I mean, there will be. That we've seen on Toonster, completely sold out. Correct. And then if you add the amount of people viewing, that's a powerful, that's just a powerful.
Yeah, I mean, to be clear, there will be zero Nostriches in the paid audience because it's sold out on the artist presale. Like, it's sold out before it even... sale to the public. It's just going to be Minneapolis Bitcoiners and people who got in early. And then all of us lunatics online zapping. It's going to be amazing to see what happens. And Parker Webworthy, who's doing the documentary for V4V.
flying out to Minneapolis and he's gonna be capturing some of the footage on the ground and interviewing people. So it's gonna be pretty special. It's just gonna be, isn't that just a documentary on you? Easy. No, so give us the date again. I don't think you did. May 16th, so two weeks from today. Set times start at 9 o'clock. Okay. All right. Awesome. All right. So tell me what is in store. Is there any, I mean, basically Monday, Monday of the, is it May 20? 27th the 26th
Who wants to talk about kind of what events are going on there? I know there's obviously a golf championship. But who's involved, the Costellos, I'm sure. I think our friend Heather Larson is going to be there. Maybe talk a little bit about the schedule there. Yeah, the May 26th event is the Bitcoin Sports Network, who you had on, was it two or three weeks ago? Yep.
In conjunction with the golf tournament, they're marrying... sports and entertainment and have the phantom power team programming all of the music and the after the it's the official conference pre-party is what they're billing So Ainsley Costello is going to be playing there. Sarah Jade. They've got some other artists to be announced. Part of that vision is, first off, listen to the Chris and Frida episode of Club Chain Radio. Learn all about what they're up to.
But I'm very excited about the music activation there, especially as it relates to growing the... growing the potential zap economy you know getting we were talking before we went on air about how important it is to to continue to grow these outcomes, right? We've got these ideas. We need the results. We need the zaps to continue to flow and the boosts to continue to grow. Having something at a place like that where these golf events are expensive, there's going to be a lot of people.
with means there and if they get excited and they are supporting of of the mission that phantom power and bitcoin sports network are doing There's really a great potential there to build the viewer base and the supporter base because we know the artists need it. We know that if artists... see the results i have no doubt that they're going to come but the thing that we need to get really built up
When they show up, like when laser beak and the shredders do this in two weeks, are they going to get results? Because otherwise we'll just have that Noster problem where we have this huge boom of adoption and it just kind of trickles. Well, we have this problem There's only so many people that are zapping and only so many people are supporting these creators. Zaps are drying up. We need new blood. We need new people. We need new people participating.
just a handful of people support all of the new creators that are coming in right like we need more zappers or or the current zappers are going to be blood And that's not sustainable for us. You know, like we can't do it forever. We need more people. Well, that's enough. The forest can only handle so much, Avi. Yeah, yeah, like... A shrimp can't be zapping all these whales, you know?
But how does that get fixed? I mean, you're right. Let's play a game here, Avi. This show sold out in pre-sale via probably an email list. or some sort of pre-sale tickets, they could easily tell their fans, hey, you can also catch it live on this. And there you go. I mean, that's kind of the way I feel like this works. is giving people the opportunity to see it live. And, you know, they'll have to want to enough to learn about Noster along the way, right?
because you've got to have the onboarding there and be able to jump on Toonster. And I don't know. I mean, that's kind of how it would work. That's right. I think the artists see the results, then they will. they will in turn inform their fans of what they want. They'll say, hey, this is a sold-out show. Come check out here. That's going to drive far more traffic. Then even Derek and I running around to music conferences. telling people to go do this.
sovereignty or protect their content and not get censored and only manage one social media account. That's all great, but if the money's everywhere else... They're going to move their fans over when they see the results. And that was kind of one of the goals. that conference and music festival, we were telling some of the musicians that were being live streamed on Toonster, hey, tell your fans, you know, whatever social platform you use, tell them that they can watch you live and support.
So we also need the participants, the musicians, the creators to onboard their own fans too, right? Like everybody. without zero effort. We need some proof of work. We need the musicians to realize that this is sustainable for them and then them to tell their fans, hey, these are the tools. If you But, you know, I think the issue here is, and I'm speaking specifically about Zapps drying up.
is there is a counterbalance, a very strong counterbalancing force and headwinds that the... I guess the zapping culture is facing, which is Bitcoin is a pet rock. Bitcoin is cyber Manhattan. Never sell your Bitcoin. And that seems to be becoming the prevailing narrative. Sadly, yes. But that's because we have, you know, the Michael Saylor's and U.S. government officials touting every other day that it's digital gold, you know, and sure, Bitcoin can be.
yeah i agree with eric on that because like we want to get out of the fiat world right so we want to like give other people the opportunity and if we don't spend What's the whole point? this can be fun as well and i think we have a problem in our society right now that everything is for free like when you of course speak to the fans
and why should I spend money for that rather than a like? It's because our brains and our entire life, we got brainwashed that everything is for free and we have to change that. And that's not going to happen overnight, right? For the past 20 years, that's what we've been doing. So it may take a very long time to kind of rewire our brains. This is where we say the meme, we're still early.
Yeah, and I think that is part of the newcomer journey, too, though, is if that's the main value prop for getting into business. I didn't It took me a real long time to sell any Bitcoin, so to speak, to transact in it, to let any of it out of my cold, dead hands. now i look at it as like i i'll send these zaps all over the place on nostr because it's i just say well i
I just took a $10 bill out of my pocket and converted it to Bitcoin and then I zapped it. I'm not taking this out of my cold storage stack. I'm choosing to convert it to Bitcoin before I give it away. Right. That's exactly right. And this is the same thing. You extend that to spending Bitcoin at merchants and what have you, right?
Like, well, I'm going to spend fiat and I'm going to keep my Bitcoin. Well, you're spending fiat. You could have bought Bitcoin with that and sent that. Exactly. Exactly. So it takes a little while. Like, it's just that. When the draw to acquire Bitcoin is that powerful and it's addressing such a problem. seems to contradict that you'd ever spend it until you understand that it's still whenever you're buying a burger, you're foregoing the opportunity to purchase more sets. Right.
So Derek, maybe let's talk about how the Nos Vegas idea even came to be. I know we dove right into all the cool stuff that's happening. in and around but how did this idea even begin yeah so um well you were involved uh we'll go back in time of year You and I had the idea for the booth at Prague last year in Antonio.
And since then, there was various booths between Tanya and myself at different locations. And then her and I got to talking a few months ago and said, hey, we need to join forces and let's have some more of these. And let's try to do Vegas. So her and I applied for a grant. And the grant didn't get approved, but a little birdie sent me a DM and said, hey, I know that. HRF wants to have a large presence for NOC.
the las vegas conference but they aren't able to be there because they have their own oslo freedom festival or freedom forum event going on at the same time And it kind of sounds like the stars are aligning because myself and Tanya and others, we want to do this, but we don't have the means. Well, another organization has the means. the staff. Lo and behold, fast forward a couple months, and here we are.
spent some time talking to hrf representatives and and we got uh all the particulars worked out and it's actually going to be a lounge that's not a specific booth in the So it's going to be a lounge, which has its options and its downs. It's great because it's larger. It has a larger footprint. There's going to be an area that about 50 people can come and hang out in. and there'll be multiple visual aids. and some buzzwords and mentioning some quotes from some famous nostritches, some people.
are well known in the Bitcoin space. And then we'll have a little education like help desk counter kind of booth-esque area inside the lounge. you know, to give people some reading materials, demonstrations. Then we're also going to have television, visual aids, screens, showcasing stuff. But anyways, getting back to how that came to be, then I reached out then to...
HR often said, you know, if we're going to do this, you know, we want to go hard and we want to do it the best we can. And I applied for. travel grant for several of the volunteers that are helping out the lounge and so we did get funding secured to be able to do that. do this. And then we worked out some particulars with the Bitcoin conference to
Make sure every single person that attends the conference, which they're hoping about 30,000 people attend, every single person knows about the Nostra Lounge and knows about the Las Vegas side event. So we secured a hand. That is going to be given to all of the attendees, the general... and they're like little swag grab bags. So that's really cool. So everybody should know about the booth i'm sorry the lounge
And it's going to be in the open source area. So anybody that walks through the nerdery in the open source area and wants to see all the open source developers' booths and stuff, there'll be this massive Noster Lounge slash booth area. And then anybody that wants to go to the open source stage, they literally have to walk.
like you you can't go in the open source stage without having like myself or open microtony or somebody like being hey have you heard about nostr like we're going to be annoying every single person as they try to walk in this stage and that's And that's just great because that's really what we want to do. We want to spread the message and make sure everybody knows.
And then in conjunction with that, myself and some others, we're going to walk around to every single booth in the expo area, every single business, and ask them, you know, what they're not. and try to onboard as many businesses and creators and whatnot. So that's a lot more. There's going to be at least 50% shit going on in those boats. That's okay. Nostra's for everybody, man. I don't care. I've probably said this on the show before.
Shitcoiners can build their shitcoinery on Noster, right? Like, why are they using Discord, and why are they using Twitter? Like, build their whatever, what they want, and use Noster. Like, I don't care. i'm not going to use their stuff but that's fine man they they should use Two things I didn't mention about the lounge. We're actually having a Domus meetup and a Primal meetup where we have three developers, three team members from each of these applications. teams coming in and
You know, doing demonstrations, doing Q&A, talking to their users, feedback, yada, yada, yada. Maybe there'll be a cage match or a push-up contest. Yeah, I was going to say, this sounds like some bare-knuckle pillow. Yeah, like, you know, like... The happenings over the last week, you know, the past couple days with...
With the dev wars, we might have a little cage match going. I don't know. We'll see. I did forget about that on the culture side. I think it's dev wars, client wars 3.0, right? This is the third time. It's like every six months. Right? Like every six months, we just get angry. We just got to fight about stuff instead of building stuff. Sometimes I know what's going on just by a corn DeLorean meme. Yeah, yeah.
He always seems to be tapped in. His passive-aggressive memes are great. I love it. I love it. And then also everybody that comes to the lounge, we're obviously going to say hey you want to learn more well we're actually having a side event that is more than just music and partying. We're going to try to have a couple talks there to do a little bit of education and then onboarding, networking, and so forth.
that Mike was able to get for this. We all scream. It has three different rooms in it. So we can have like three different like little like destinations. You can go to the one area to learn about Nostra. There'll be some people speaking. about NOSTER and value for value, things like that, censorship. And then they're going to go out into another area. And then we'll have musicians playing out there. Then you go out to another area, like a rooftop bar.
and there's a full bar up there and there's going to be people partying up there. You know, whatever you want. You want the party scene with DJs? We got that. You want the music scene with musicians and Bowery for Value? We got that. You want to learn about Noster and geek out a little bit? We got that for you too. So it's going to be a great side quest event there. I'm really looking forward to it. how
Great. No, that suddenly sounds like fun. And that's at the end, correct? That's at the end of the conference. That is Wednesday, May 28th from 7 p.m. until 1. So when does the conference end? Thursday. Okay, alright, so we got the pre-game covered and we have the night before last day. So that's the first, yeah, so Monday is the pre-event, the Bitcoin Sports.
event. Tuesday is your industry day where you have to have an industry pass to go. And we're going to be there in the conference. And then Wednesday is the general admission first day of the conference. Thursday is the second. Friday is your, you know, whatever. Travel day home, maybe. I don't know. Sounds like a packed agenda.
so tanya how does this compare or how do you think it will compare to your experience at btc prog because clearly if i in fact if i could think of two cities that were polar opposite from a culture standpoint i probably would think of prague and vegas so how how do you think uh it'll contrast Yeah, well first, I think I don't have a feeling about Las Vegas. It's gonna be so huge, it's gonna be so gigantic, and also we don't have a booth, right? We have an entire lounge.
It's going to be very challenging to host that actually because if they say 50 people can be in that lounge like if that is packed like probably hundred could like easily show up so I think for me it's very challenging, but I do look forward to Vegas. I think it's a great opportunity to grab as many people as possible, to onboard them.
also like have a real like conversation i prefer actually also the the lounge kind of setup because you can then sit down with the people you can like have a like real a one-on-one because if you really want to like to onboard like a person and they're interested you need a kind of quiet spot and it takes like 10 to 20 minutes at least right to walk through all the details.
so um but yeah i think with also all the side events we won't have a lot of sleep so it's so it's gonna be a week buzzing and for me it's like the traveling is like it's very far away like Prague is four hours from Berlin like I fly directly from Buenos Aires to Vegas and then back to Europe so that's gonna be a trip like but yeah I mean I'm surrounded by great people
I'm looking forward to see Derek again and open mic for the first time. It's always fun if you see people in real life and interact with them and the energy is just... I'm sorry to hear you're getting to hang out with both of them in real life. Oh, sorry. And you, sir. You're going to be there, too. She's going to be able to see you. Yeah, yeah. So doubly sorry. Triply sorry for your time. Impart the important thing.
You know what, the open mic or the open source stage is always the best. And looking at the prior conferences, it's always open source is where my heart is. I don't think Nostra could be in a better spot. on the way to the open source stage. I haven't even looked at the agenda. Is there any... Derek, you seem to be tapped in. Is there anything that looks... Well, as of a couple weeks ago, the agenda wasn't... Sorry, a couple days ago, the agenda wasn't released yet.
I actually don't know if there's going to be any stage... no one has mentioned anything to me. There could be, I hope there is. There's definitely going to be a few people there that could speak. we're coming down to the wire. That's unlikely to be QW, any Bitcoin or Nostocon. It's going to be a lot of Wall Street investing, a lot of ordinal talk. Wherever the money flows, huh? Yeah.
Well, open source is usually not where the money flows, so that's probably why I like that stage the most. Yeah, the open source stage is always like the pure signal anytime I go. much park myself in the lobby and for networking and meeting people and then in the open source stage to learn about the actual building and cool things that people are working on. So actually following up on the fact that there's probably not going to be any Bitcoin and Nasta content at the conference.
what do you maybe we'll stop with you on this one mike um I think it will be a challenge, right? Catching attention for, I mean, let's be honest, a niche community such as Nostar, niche protocol such as Nostar, at a conference where everyone's, or most people are pretty much there for. either, you know, being close to influencers or, you know, for NGO. Do you see it that way? Yeah, I mean, having not seen any of the content or the schedule released, I mean, we do...
Doesn't sound like there's any NOSTER direct panels. I know there's not any value for value music or anything this year. You know, I would argue that this Noster Lounge, we've never had more mainstream... I'm always seeing it through the purple-tinted music lens.
The exodus of all of Taylor Swift's fans off of X when they didn't like what the... tick tock ban you know all these things are like they're just so front and center for people who are into that mainstream fiat social media sort of world that I don't know. I'm optimistic about the relevance and the amount of things, even if it's not on stage. being broadcast on their streams or on their programmed material.
I think this is going to resonate. And having all of those handouts, I hope that we're going to be able to be given that. engage a bit because once people find out about it, there's just so much to talk about. what's pissing you off right now is it is it doge is it you know censorship in the other direction Did your whole social media presence just get taken offline for a second because we're going to ban TikTok in this country? Like, what's bothering you? Let's talk about it. I guess.
figure out what makes them tick and tailor our message to them to onboard them because Nostra can be very... all affected by it so yeah i think it's going to be great to facilitate these conversations What would you use for your onboarding? What's your package, Derek? um the first question is always uh what do you got android or or ios you know all right so since you went that route um I'd love to just preface this by saying I didn't. I had a brain burn the other day trying to get someone on.
through GetAlbi because he wanted to do long form but he wanted a zap wallet and he wanted everything attached, and it was cumbersome. Yeah. Because he didn't just do Primal. He didn't do Primal. He started at Domus, then we did get Albie, and then we got all the way to Abla.new. So what, you know, kind of like what we did in Austin at the Sats by Southwest, and then what we did at Lawn.
two weeks ago. I think the same thing we're going to kind of do in Vegas. Just because Nostra has hundred different applications and all sorts of different doesn't mean that they're all the same. And starting off by saying to somebody, hey, what phone do you have? Do you have an iPhone? Do you have an Android phone? That's confusing. gonna probably make enemies in the comments but we've been recommending prime And then afterwards, showing them that there's other... because Primal works on
Primal works on the web, Primal works on iOS, and it has a built-in wallet. It is literally the least amount of friction available. And if anybody has any issues with any of it, Then we say, okay, well, hey, look, you can actually use, you know, Domus and you can use Amethyst, you know, like there are more choices, but for the purpose of onboarding, so I don't have to tell somebody to download.
in a Bitcoin exchange app and then download a Bitcoin wallet and then download a social app, like three apps to do one thing, you're going to lose everything. It's unfortunate, but that's just how it is. So we tell people to use Prime.
And then we show them that there's choices afterwards. Like we have them make their first post and be like, hey, look, I have Domus or I have Amethyst and I can see your post. Isn't that cool? It's a completely different app and I can see it. So we show them the interoperability. But then to show another app that is available on multiple platforms, we also use Fountain, especially if they're creators, musicians, and they like music. We use that as an example.
platforms and they can log in and they can see you know their music or podcasts, you know, booths or whatever, are showing up in their social app in Primal. And it just makes things easier to have, you know, one or two or three go-to apps that work. It makes the onboarding experience that much easier. Because if you have to tell people, hey, you need to install three apps to be able to send some value to somebody, they're going to be like, oh, well, I'm not.
Primal has absolutely crushed the onboarding game for sure. It's a five-minute setup, and even the KYC is really, I mean... It's a soft KYC, right? Yeah, like, here's a burner email address and a fake name, man. You're from Costa Rica. Just put Costa Rica. Just maybe, maybe accidentally write Costa Rica. Yeah, I mean, yeah, if I...
You don't want to put where you're from. Put another country. There's a rumor that it works. I'll dox myself right now. I'm actually John Smith. Just letting you know. But yeah, I think that simplification, just because Noster is very complex doesn't mean that we need to tell everybody that.
So give them a solution that works, give them the tools, and then let them know, hey, there's a rabbit hole if you like rabbit holes. I can give you more information. Go to this website, read more. Go to this other website, read more, and hit me up. Here's my contact info, and I'll help you. Just get people on and set up without making it complicated. That's the goal. tanya is that was that your experience uh in the other
Well, we call them traveling circuses. Yeah, I want to hear about that, Tanya. Didn't you go to South America and do the booth initiative? Yeah, we've been to...
Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo and El Salvador. And yeah, we did exactly the same like what just Derek mentioned. We started with Primal because... it's the easiest setup without confusing people so much because like especially at the booth people like exhibition area they're in a hurry it's loud it's noisy so you don't have that much time but like what i always then do is like I ask the people, like, what are they doing? What are they interested in? So then I deliver them a solution.
Like if there are writers, I recommend highlighter, Yaki Hong.
um these kind of things and then we of course like what then like we exact them we create a first post together we we show them that this is fun but what i always do is like I do tell them it's also a lot of work like it's not easy because you at the beginning you might feel a little bit lonely because all your other followers are not there but it just takes one another person so to do that with you and then it's so much easier and the community is
it's amazing i mean i've seen that like i have more like followers on nostr than on twitter and instagram together and these are real followers right so they interact with you and it's like It was a very healthy place for me. It's so much nicer than everything I have ever experienced on any social media app right now.
You know, we'll stay on that topic for a second, Tanya, because we talked about sustaining... you know i'm having a sustainable way of doing these road shows at some point i'd have to think Well, the first thing that will dry up is the crowdfunding, right? If you're talking about $20,000, $30,000, in some cases $50,000 booths or even these lounge type things.
Crowdfunding is not going to do that in a sustainable way. And grants only go that far. Have you put any thought to how that sustainability issue would be? That's what I was talking to Derek as well. It's super, super challenging because even these kind of conferences give you a dramatically heavy discount. a booth can cost easily like 20 to 30 000 and that's even the lower end right so and like for like Nostra like
Sometimes these organizers don't understand that we are not a company, like we do that all for free, right? We pay our flight tickets and everything to just like... spread the world i mean hrf understood and saw the value I think this is incredible that they are sponsoring us and
this is a great great opportunity and i i hope that like maybe other conferences see that and adapt that and support that even further because as you say like do like I did one geyser fund and Derek as well is like this is so much work this is like it's incredible and
like all the developers of course they don't have like money for themselves to set up a whole booth so we have to get all together i mean in an ideal world there would be a major big fund like everybody can just like if they would like to have a like a booth at some conference they can just um
take the funds out that and set that up by themselves right um yeah but it's that's that's a very challenging part because i think like at a conference you do get the most of like attraction and attention Yeah, I don't have a solution for that yet. Well, there's got to be a lot of pressure, right, to make it a successful Noster Lounge. make it kind of the bell of the ball in the open source area to where people say, you know what, that actually is going to draw people to this conference.
That's a value add. They're not selling a product. They actually are the product at these events. just but also but also Beijing Jack Dorsey. I heard we need a large fund. I don't think there is any other place where the money is right now. When Tanya was talking, I was thinking about the... Your guy's initial booth where it was the size of a lemonade stand. I was really looking forward to that one. Well, yeah, where the size of that.
when we raised our first whatever that was. Yeah, and it was basically going to be like, Avi and I like rubbing elbows together. It's not much, but it's honest work. Yeah, but you know what, the community came together and a couple businesses. came together and helped us out and we are able to have a large booth but that's that's just you know as tanya was alluding to that's just not sustainable
I don't know. In a perfect world, I would be able to go to every non-Bitcoin conference I could find and set up shop and talk to them. But again, it needs to be sustained. Yeah, I mean, you stay at five... More Derek Paul dancing. That's what we need. You know, and if that's how we have to grow in Austin, maybe we will. But it does get expensive, QW. I mean, first class flights. I've never flown first class in my life. What are you talking about? In that purple drink. I go steerage, man.
The steerage and the cheap seats. So, Derek, in all seriousness, more broadly than the road shows or the traveling circuses for growing Noster, there is an initiative to grow Noster more broadly. Do you want to talk about that? Yeah, sure. It's aptly named the Grownoster Initiative. This is a brainchild that started a year ago at Prague. After we saw the success of Prague, we realized that we needed to do more. talked over the next few months.
And then I know we had various conversations with open mic because he's essentially doing the same thing. He's growing Noster through. Open wallet. Open wallet, yeah. He's opening his wallet and growing Noster through his initiatives with music and value for value. And, you know, we kind of decided to team up in forces. started a, uh, New organization that is going to focus on growing Oster. Like I said, the growing Oster initiative. The goal is to be a facilitator of community events.
and meetups and education and onboarding and focus on the human element and getting out into your community and building Nostra. The goal was to someday be able to have funds available. to like you know tanya had mentioned earlier you know what if uh there was funds available and you needed a thousand dollars to have a meetup or a small You can't apply for that. So the long-term goal is to have GNI grown up.
become a foundation and have funding available, and then basically work off of a similar, like, to the OpenSats model, where, you know, people could apply for funding to have... a board to review but that's that's gni 2.0 1.0 is You know, soft launching now, grownoster.org. There's resources available there. There's case studies available there and strategies there for your business to focus on businesses. and try to bring them...
Hoping that expands. Right now we have a case study for an application that migrated to Noster Fountain. We have Ainsley Costello as a creator case study. a user that was censored and going to be adding a case. merchant that you So we'll pretty much have all four major areas that are people looking to use social communication, and then we'll be able to use those to onboard people. At least that's the hope. And then provide resources and tools.
get started with Nostra so the whole what is your Nostra strategy that I mentioned earlier that's And then also be a place to list all of the different NOSTR events that are happening. Because we don't really have a location. People say, hey, when's the next NOSTR? all the time. So you can go to grownoffster.org and go to the events tab and see the upcoming events and then people can submit events to us and ask us.
about, hey, I want to host a Nostra event. How do I do that? And then we can give them the blueprint. We can give them the tools and resources and advertise for it and also talk to developers and try to get... If I missed anything, Avi, since you're part of this, you can mention it. Or Open Mike, if I missed anything, feel free to talk. Open Mike, how are you planning to grow NOS? with the Grow Nostra Initiative. I'm, I'm hell bent.
we know where we're at with with this crowdfunding and v4v and everybody Vibe funding. to get everything you know maybe that's how we do a vibe funding like how do we do that like stand everything up in the feels right everything feels good uh but but you know we have to we have to build a business can take and replicate and I think the Grow Noster initiative is a place where we're going to have opportunities to try out various models and see.
develop a path to sustainability but give people that necessary jump start to go out and try and do it out in the wild. I thought vibe funding is when you give an AI access to your lightning wallet and it funds whatever it wants. If it's going to turn that into more funds for more... something we're going to have to do. Well, so Derek, you know, I have a bullish case for open mind. Open Mic's going to continue to put on these events.
He's going to show that you can do it at your own venue. It's as simple as connecting your Toonster, your wallets. You can get your split set up. And anybody that's not there. can watch it, zap it. uh he's going to do so many of these uh he's going to present that at neva he's going to present the national institute what is it national independent venue association then all of these independent venues across the country are going to tap into that additional revenue and they'll use it as a
as kind of an offering to any artist that comes in every night, whoever it may be. That would be my bullish case. I love it and that is, it's not. It's not a pipe dream. I mean, like, it's not. There is a pathway. There is a definite if we keep doing what we're doing here in Noster. audience is there like literally that that neva conference next year in 2026 is in minneapolis like we're we're the host city um Doesn't mean this will all be done by next year, but the...
We've got access to all of the people to make this move on the independent venue level and the independent artist level and the promoter level. It's really just about getting that. Getting that base cookie cutter template that you just say, all right, here you go. Stick this in your city. Stick with it. Don't get discouraged. And you'll have a model that the artists will be familiar with because they'll be traveling around the Neva circuit. That sounds like an additional case.
Yeah. Yeah. OpenOI is building case studies. And I think that Shredder concert coming up is that's why it's so magical to me is because I know. I know you, Mike, and I know how much this all means. I mean, that was the Vinyl Lounge show in Nashville last year, the Wave Lake Party.
a venue to just go all in because the owner of that was a big prince junkie like when i actually walked in and toured the place he was wearing a t venue my day job and and i was like okay this guy's a candidate or i'm just gonna leave leave some cameras here leave the whole infrastructure the whole rig and every get them all excited and then we left town and did a residency phantom power ran it every monday if you recall the august after the nashville conference
And they got really excited about it. And I thought that was going to start a trend where we had somebody self-sufficient and really kind of carrying the torch. and then ownership changed. So we're going to keep running that playbook, and it's going to hit eventually. Yeah. Can't wait to see Watson Starr on that front mic.
But Derek, I want to go back to something you'd mentioned a little earlier in the context of growing nostril adoption, and you mentioned censorship resistance. And this is something I've been thinking about recently, which is... For folks like us, we're so passionate about Master and...
And, you know, we start talking about all the attributes. And oftentimes there are some kind of technical or functional attributes of the protocol itself. We talk about decentralization. We talk about censorship resistance. And I'm wondering... In fact, it's not wandering anymore. I'm almost certain. If you're trying to drive broader option, no one really cares about... Oh, absolutely, yeah. We've been saying that for a long time. No one knows what the hell...
It's a technical term. Two years ago, we thought that was the sexiness that was going to sell an office. And that was the branding that we always talked about. No matter where we went, oh, it's decentralized. Oh, it's censorship resistant. But 99% of the world does not know what that means. And the only people that do are the people that have been censored or had some type of, you know. central large entity do bad.
So the vast majority of the population doesn't understand that. So what, a year ago, you and I then started the next sexy marketing, and we tried to push a digital social identity that you can truly own. I still think that's cool. I still think people may understand that, but I don't know. We haven't really seen a whole... Maybe we need something new.
Well, that's what I'm saying. So I think we've been trying to push these intellectual arguments on folks. I wonder if it's time to say, keep it super simple, right? It's something people can connect with at an emotional level and something like NOSTA is the most fun place on the internet.
the happiest people are there and look you can listen to your music and you can zap your friends you can talk to these folks everyone's having fun all these other places they're angry they're sad whatever nostra is fun maybe it is something along those lines I mean, maybe. I mean, I've been saying for a while, you know, no rage algorithms. So we need a nicer way to say that. And maybe, you know, so we need like a Hello Kitty client where it's all like colorful and bubbly and stuff.
And we say, look, the happiest people, they're right here. Ivy, doesn't Primal have naked jungle people that do banana eating contests? They do, and they were pretty damn happy until they ate too many bananas like that. I mean, Austria has a marketing problem. We have too many buzzwords. We try to dumb it down and be less technical, but application. still we have a lot of technical
I don't know. I will say the message at launch two weeks ago that every single musician understood when I said to them, I said, you want to opt out of the system? You want to be punk rock? Well, Bitcoin and Noster are punk rock. And every single one of them understood that. I said, you hate the man, you don't like the man. Noster and Bitcoin are literally hating the man. They are literally
opting out of the system. They're punk rock. And every single person, when I said that, they immediately understood it because they understand, you know, they don't like authority. You know, they like their... Maybe that's the next route we say. Noxter and Bitcoin are digital anarchists. I don't know. Bobby, what was our title of our last show? and uh yes it's bitcoin is is metal or bitcoin is drug metal that is true well you know punk rock metal you know yeah yeah very very similar
Maybe that's it. And certain groups of people... Maybe the average person in Las Vegas that's there for NGU and influencer elbow robbing won't understand that. And we'll have to come up with a specific message for them. I think that's what we kind of need to do. You know, we need to resonate with the different communities. But, you know, Nostra and Bitcoin are Rebellion, they're punk rock, it's the most fun place on the internet. These are all emotional connections that people can make.
there's these are not intellectual connections and i think that's why so maybe tanya i'll ask you this what are your thoughts on i mean there are so many When you were new to NOSTA last June, you probably heard all the stuff, right? Interoperable digital identity, decentralization, all of this stuff. What was it that resonated the most? Yeah, like as I said early on, it's emotional.
i mean if you like and i never thought that in a country like germany like or even europe that you can get shadow banned or banned or restricted or deleted right so and like during the pandemic that was like that was quite often the case like I was Like I was writing publicly about some case studies because I was working at the biggest hospital in Berlin that time and I was just questioning like if that's really all the truth they are telling.
i got restricted and for me that was super like emotional because everybody said i'm crazy right so it's like i'm not telling like i'm lying right and um with noster like I have the feeling I finally have a voice. like i can say the things i think and even not everybody likes it that's fine but they cannot just like yeah delete my stuff and i think that if you have this emotional connection which i have um as i said i'm not a technical person like um
there are so many other people who are loving us to be careful of the technical part like for me the emotional connection i have and i think that's very very powerful and a lot of people understand that it's like it happened that like just a couple of months ago when we did our south america that Brazil got banned from Twitter. It's like, there we go. Here is Nostra. That might be the solution for you. people understand that, especially here in South America. They get it quicker.
Yeah. Another one that is kind of a sleeper but hits hard in artist communities is... the sheer convenience of having one social identity and being able to map that and port it across your various apps. Artists are tired of, you know, they want to perform and showcase their craft and perfect. They don't want to do 15 different social media accounts and put together specialized content in these various forms. It takes them away from what they want to be doing.
not the front and center use case that we talk about, but it tends to resonate real quick with artists. Mhm. Yeah. so with their Several avenues to explore for driving adoption. I think we've exhausted a few. Certainly the technical, the techno job and stuff for broader adoption. I think there are other avenues to explore. So, folks, before we close, maybe, Derek, anything we've missed on the Las Vegas booth?
No, I think for the lounge, we have it all covered. The biggest takeaway from the lounge is that we're going to have two specific meetups. So if you are a Primal fan, come to the Primal meetup. Domus app and you're a fan of the Domus team, come to the Domus meetup. We're going to be there for three days. Please come by and say hi. We'd love to see you. Awesome. Mike, anything? Avi, are you planning on doing an astral.ninja meetup there? Rip. That was my first master client. Oh, man. Memory.
Yeah. Mon loves mango. May their soul rest in peace. I was waiting for that. Mike, any music or Valley for Valley events we missed in this conversation that are coming up? No, just the artists and DJs. I don't think we named... Tatum Turnip and DJ Valerie B are going to both be performing at Las Vegas at the We All Scream event. So if you go to nosvegas.grownoster.org, that's the ticket link with all of the details of the event.
Pretty sure it's the cheapest event in Vegas that I've seen, and it's going to be the best. And shout out to DJ Valerie too, right? Because she's been helping out with the booth as well. She's been rocking it, yeah. Yes, absolutely. Mike, one question. The show coming up on the 16th, I believe you said, is that also going to be streaming to Fountain? Yes. Okay, so we got the boost for SAPS. Excellent. Yep. It's on. Tanya, anything? What's next for you? What can we look forward to?
That's a good question. I'm still looking for a new country to live. So, Buenos Aires and Argentina is quite on top of my list. But yeah, I'm really looking forward to have the experience.
las vegas and i just wanted to like support here mike quickly like come to the nasa las vegas site event is seriously the cheapest site event you can ever experience probably in vegas and yeah so join a bunch of cool people and have an awesome night but cheapest and also most likely the best of course that's not a question it's like of course we're gonna have a most likely some philosophical conversations regarding Noster and communication by a well-known Bitcoin
Is that a secret that people have to show up there to find out? Well, I'm going to announce it once it's 100% confirmed. He's working on his speech. So give me some time to cook, as the Gen Zers say, and I'll announce it here soon. All right. QW, got anything else for our guests? No, I was just thinking about all the authors that we've had. Tanya's one, you're one, Avi. We've had so many authors on our show. And I'm just curious what... well-known Bitcoin author. Derek can be talking.
You know, now it makes me look like an asshole. You said well-known, Derek, so I instantly didn't think about it. I didn't mean to offend the other authors that I'm friends with. Man, my bad. Well, that's it. Yeah, no, that's it. Super excited. I'll put any show notes that I can or any links in the show notes. And anything else, Javi? Now, I'd like to thank Tanya, Derek and Open Mic.
for giving us the lowdown on Las Vegas. I wish I could be there. But QW, you will... I'm making it official. I will be there. So I'm definitely going to be at the golf event. And we'll see what happens after that. So thank you very much. I really appreciated all three of you joining us today. And if you're going to listen to this, please listen to our show on Fountain, the Noster Client. Make your presence felt. And we'll see you next week. Goodbye.