Ep67 - Tye Sheridan / "Ready Player One"

this is playback. Yeah, okay, can I move? This? Is that all right? Yeah? You're fine right now? Yeah? Okay, okay. So you were just in Europe? Yeah, I was just in London. How's that? We It was good, it was it was super cold when we got in it was snowing. Yeah. Um, so I haven't seen snow. I finally did for the first time in a long time when I went to Sundance this year. Oh yeah, how was that? I haven't seen no one forever. Other than that. You see a

lot of movies, So I saw a lot. Actually I went for the second half with everything had cleared out, you know, all the people had cleared out. How what's he done? I guess he'll done. So we just were a rerecording. We are recording, and I want to just cool. I don't think i've ever done a podcast. Oh sweet episode, premiere episode. Yeah, sorry, I'm a little under the weather. So sorry from not my feeling best. Been one of those years everybody's got every other week. And how many

podcasts are you doing per week? Okay, so it's just one a week? Actually your coach? I love that guy. What's called the Mountain? Yes, if you talk about it a little bit at the end, what did you say, Uh, well, you know, Jeff, it's just kind of yeah, it was great, and there's a young actor or we did that kind of thing pretty much. It sounds like a wicked movie though. It's it's yeah, it's it's crazy. Um, it's I'm yeah, I'm super excited about it. So Rick Alverson, I don't

know if you're familiar with his work. He did interrupted. We're sitting here today with Ty Sheridan, the star of Ready Player one. No worries, I was. I was not sure. I don't know if you're familiar with Rick Alverson, Um the filmmaker. He did a movie we did a movie together actually called Entertainment. He saw that with Greig Turkington, Tim heideckers in it. But his movies are crazy and

I have a lot of fun working with him. And so we made a movie together with Jeff Goldblum and uh, that was in November and December, and that was a hoot for sure. Jeff's fun. Man, that's a whole energy. It takes you like a half hour to shake it after you've hung out for a little bit. No, he's he's a lot of fun. I love that guy. Well, like I said, the movie that you're kind of promoting right now is already Player one Steven Spielberg. It's about as big as it gets massive. It's not quite summer,

but it's essentially a summer blockbuster. Uh. What I wanted to ask you, you you know, you live in Austin, you're from Texas. What was it like to premiere this movie at south By Southwest? And yeah, I know it was the It was the coolest actually because we have been you know, for like a year or maybe even over a year, we have been talking about having the movie that's south By Southwest because it's really a perfect kind

of place for it. Because you know, it's film meets um, you know, interactive in tech and um, this movie, you know, takes place in two thousand forty five and in the future where people spend most of their lives in a virtual world called the Oasis. So, uh, it kind of made sense for the movie to be there. And you know, I think it was a lot of it was just about whether or not we could convince Stephen and whether Warner Brothers could convince him to to actually play the

movie there. But because he'd never I don't think he'd ever done that. He's definitely never had a movie at south By Southwest. And uh, so I had all my family because I lived there. I had all my family come down. They're all up in East Texas, so they came down. I had my parents, my grandparents, my little sister, my cousin's best friends, like everyone. So it was so special.

I mean, it was a crazy weekend. I was a little overwhelmed, um, because you know, when you have that much family and no one, you know, you gotta like it's like hurting a bunch of sheep or something like. Um. But it was good. You know, I got really excited as we were backstage about to show the movie, and I knew they were all out there about to see a film, Steven Spielberg, movie that I've worked on. So,

I mean it was a pretty pretty cool feeling. But I wasn't there, but I certainly saw in the reports it seemed like he was very touched. Did he seemed very nervous backstage, you know, right before he was about to unleash this movie. I think so, I mean he was, you know, I don't think so, because he had made

his decision and he knew what he was getting himself into. Um, He's very rational in that sense, so he, uh, he did get I mean, everybody got a little flustered because at the most climactic part of the movie and then in the third act, um the sound went out. Actually, and they had they had installed they had installed a new Adulby sound system so that we could play the movie at the Paramount Theater that night. Um, so when the sound went out, it was you know, yeah, yeah,

my my heart kind of stopped. And I was looking around the executive producer, Christafarian, the producer Donald's line, We're sitting like right next to me. We're all kind of looking at each other. And and then they started. So they played the movie again and at the same moment the sound went out again. Um. And then they did it again the same thing. Sound went out and they were like, Oh my gosh, so this is not this is this is this is terrible. Um. And then the

third time they tried it, it worked. The third time was a charm and then the crowd just it was crazy because the crowd just went nuts. Yeah, because it was the It almost like helped build up the that moment in the third act where um, you know, I can't say what happens, but on the totally yeah, I heard they were kind of supplying their own soundtrack even

whenever it was silent up on the screen. Uh. I'm always curious with Mr Spielberg because we all know him obviously, his spectacle is considerable in the canon of film and and his place in that spectrum. I'm always curious to talk to actors who've worked with him, how he works with actors, because I think it's, you know, kind of

an underappreciated element of his repertoire. Frankly, yeah, I mean sure, I think a lot of people, you know, we look at Steven Spielberg films and we think like adventure and you know, I know he's made a lot of history rcle dramas, uh lately like Lincoln and The post or Um. But we look at his movies and we think like, you know, big and scope, big and scale, like really fun, family kind of oriented films sometimes. Um, but I think we you know, sometimes we don't isolate or single out

the performances. But you know, there's that they make those type of movies though. That's I mean, I think that's the glue that kind of you know, and you see such a great, such a great camaraderie amongst like young characters in his movies, like whether it's Et or even

films that he was you know, he produced, like the Goonies. Um. I think a lot of that stems from him, you know, having being a child on set, Like he's just he's like a big kid and he's like the biggest film nerd I know, and he just gets so enthusiastic and he's he's nervous every day before he goes to work. And that's something that you you know, is you share with him. Um. You know, obviously working on a Steve Spielory movie, there's you know, some you you you don't

want to let the man down. So I think that, Yeah, I mean he's he's incredibly engaging and I don't think i've ever we shot in this movie in motion capture, So, um, he was you know, he's literally right. You know, I was doing a scene with Olivia Cook. He was like right in between the two of us and talking to us through the scene. He was there with us, almost like he was performing as well. But um, and I think that's you know, that does as as an actor.

I think psychologically it gives you that extra you know, whatever it is to keep to push the performance even you know, to the next step and elevate it even more. And um, so I think he's really great with actors. He's incredibly patient. You never feel like, you know, he might give you two or three takes to to kind of settle into the scene before he starts giving you

big notes. Um. And that was something that I really, you know, I really admired his his his supportiveness and like he makes you believe and understand and field confident in playing your roles because he's you know, he will say to you, you know, I chose you because you're the one person that is supposed to play this role and uh so knowing that and even like him vocalizing that, UM was super comforting and honestly, like I just you know, this is the best, I think, the best learning experience

I've ever had. I mean, I've learned more on this movie than I have on any other film in the past that I've worked out for sure. How long was the shoot? Shot? For? Four months? How long that was? That was some performance captured? Yeah, so, I mean of our production schedule was motion capture, I believe. Yeah, we shot over the course of the first eight weeks that was all motion captured. What do you think of that?

I mean, I've never done it before, So it was a it was a great crash course, you know, I was. I learned so much and to be at the cutting it because Ready Player one was really pushing the envelope with you know, what we were doing on on set, and you know, we were doing things that hadn't been

done when you know, to to to date. Um. You know, for instance, we had you know, I LM and Digital Domain, who are the visual effects companies who kind of brought this this world together and created this world, spent a lot of time in pre production building these environments, these three dimensional environments, so that when we were on the set, we could see although we were in a motion capture volume, we could see ourselves driving our avatars and walking around

in those environments. And we can even take it. We could even take a step further and put on a a VR headset that was tethered. Um, it was spatially tracking, so we could walk around the environment to have a

three dimensional perspective on the environment. So it really helps you. Yeah, it really helps you understand because just a blank root, it's just and there's no and it's you know, there's a white carpet and scaffolding with a bunch of lights and infrared sensors and and you're wearing like this, you know, thick onesie with these tracking markers all over you and and at helmet with four facial capture cameras um and

polka dots all over your face. So it's kind of a crazy, kind of a crazy thing, like you know, you feel completely stripped down and there's there's nothing except for you and the other performers around you. So um, and for that aspect, I mean I loved it because it allowed me to revert back to that place where when I was eight years old, you know, pretending with my friends and recreat and creating a scene in a

magical place. It was literally felt like that. You know, all a lot of it was left up to your imagination. You know, you could jump into the r world and taking the environment. But then when you when it came time to perform, obviously you had to take it off. And so, um, that was a great tool to help

us kind of get into it. Um, and then everything else was just you know, you're purely collaborating with your cast and the rest of the crew and you the visual effects supervisors and Stephen and um, so everybody's you know, ideas and visions. It all kind of comes together to create one and um, you know it was this this movie is The visual effects are like just incredibly stunning.

It's insane. You were talking, uh, you were talking earlier, you know, just about just the world split Spielberg has given us, obviously, and that he's the biggest kind of movie dork movie nerd you've seen. Uh, do you share that quality? I mean, did you grow up? I Mean that's kind of silly question, probably, but you grew up

on these movies, right, Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean I told him the first time I met him, because I didn't know if he was gonna cast me in his movie or I said, Um, Mr Spielberg, I just want to, you know, thank you for all the films that you made, because without et that, you know, that movie played a hundred times, hundreds of times during my childhood. With out that movie, you know, or any of your movies, I feel like I would be a different kid in some way, um,

a different storyteller at least. And and so you know, I really i'd like to to think that I took advantage of the opportunity case. You know, like there were times where we would just sit around and he would do this you know, dolly shot and catch up, you know, and I would ask him why we were doing that, why this camera moving this? And then he would get so enthusiastic about and you know, talking about filmmaking and what and you know, on this great shot and in

this movie, and he could just reference films. He's like, you know, encyclopedia on that stuff. So um, but all like that, do you have like a deep historical context for I know, I wouldn't say so not near. I mean, not nearly as good as that guy. Um. I mean I like movies and sometimes like I know, weird facts about obscure movies. But I would say there's a lot of people that I worked with in I mean much more um like as far as just like an archival

a collection of movies in their head. I think that, you know, not that impressive. It's always interesting just to see how people respond. I mean there's famous, famous actors that literally just have no desire to learn a ton about you know, film history or anything that like that, and and obviously there's plenty who just are immersed in it. So it's just always interesting to find out, you know

what you know. Yeah, And I think for me I was I was always really like interested in the technical aspect of filmmaking because that helps me do my job better in front of the camera, believe it or not. I mean, if I understand the you know, the frame, and I understand how I fit into that frame, and now you know how how close I can we're close focuses and how close I can come to the camera, like all that all that stuff really um helps me

do my job better. So I feel like a lot of those questions are you know, one because I aspired to and all aspects of filmmaking and and behind and in front of the camera, but also because you know, it does help me do my job better. It's great to be able to give the cameraman something, you know, like the gold. Speaking of him, I've never seen a guy give the photographer so much in a photo session, just you know, giving him all these looks and all

these like he's basically singing and humming. He gets everybody so much, very generous. Uh. You probably have been asked this a bunch on this particular tour. But where you much of a gamer growing up? Are you a gamer? Um? On the gamer? I mean not I wouldn't say like I'm an avid gamer, but I mean I grew up playing some games we were, but it was typically I mean gaming for me was something that was social and

something I wanted to do with my friends. And even now, you know, like I think there's only handful of games that I really play, the only games I actually played by myself or like VR games. You know, I know you can do multiplayer and VR and the same as you do like online with people when you're playing PS four or whatever. But um, yeah, so for me, I mean I like to get with my friends and black FIFA,

but first person shooters and stuff like that. Like I think, even like our our our movie is largely a reference and pays on Launch two. You know, games from the nineteen eighties and where the Atari um even arcade games. Um, I think that you know, the the eighties arcade games I was familiar with on I'd never actually played in Atari when it came time to shoot this movie, and so there's a there's a scene in the movie which is a really prominent scene actually, where my character plays

an Atar game. Uh. And so I mean I've done I've done like as much research as I possibly could without actually getting to play the game. I've seen videos of people playing it. I read up about the game, and so when when we you know, I was nervous when when it came time to shoot the scene because I'm going to look out of place playoff game. And so I had to pull Stephen over to the side and say, you know, Stephen, I don't know, can you teach me how to hold the Atari control? Because I

want to make sure I'm doing it correctly. So I got Atari lessons from Steven Spielberg and Zach pent Our screenwriter. Well that's awesome, Yeah, pretty awesome. That's something you talked about the Yeah, I guess you were you know a lot of that's before your time. I mean you were born when the Nintendo sixty before was coming out. So yeah, which just makes me feel we've played. We played Nintendo

sixty four a lot in my cousin's house. I mean I was over at their house, like you know, every day, here my child and there they're you know, my cousin Austin. My cousins, Austin and Allison had an older brother, Christopher, who had a Nintendo sixty four, and he would just set us up and you know, we blow in the cartridges and camm in and rock on the Nintendo sixty four,

all those antiquated techniques. Um. I met your parents I think at Sundance from when you were there with Mud and the dinner at some upstairs at some restaurant, and I remember sitting I guess I was sitting there with your dad or something. But very cool family. And I'm just curious what they think of your career. I mean, you kind of well I mean, they're obviously proud and supportive, but they've always been even when you know, after I did my first movie, which I kind of just randomly

fell into. I never really had thought about acting or or working in movies when I was eleven, and you know, when I was eleven years old, which is when I got cast in that movie. But you know, it was something that intrigued me and it was something that I wanted to kind of see through. So there were three years where my mom would help me send in audition tapes on and she would take me over and over

and over and I would never get anything. And they just, you know, we're so supportive for three years when I didn't when I couldn't get it, when I wasn't getting any callbacks, and I know I was young, and you know, but they were you know, if I if I told my parents that there was something I wanted to do, they would go to the end of the earth to help me achieve that. And uh So without that love and support from them, you know, I wouldn't I wouldn't

be here obviously. I mean, they're they're like my rock, my everything, and uh yeah, and they're now, you know, like it's nice to be able to have them come down to things like south By Southwest and you know, to see the Ready Player one that was really cool

for them. Um, just to trip up the interstate. Yeah, it's absolutely, but it's now it's now become like a you know, I have a hard time explaining to them what I'm doing or what you know, and they have a hard time keeping up and you know, it's uh, but it's good when something comes out and they can see it and they can do something tangible they can

kind of sink the teeth into. But incredibly supportive. Even now, my dad says, you know, that's great that you know you're doing what you're doing, and I'm so happy that you're you know you're doing you're being successful at it, and um, but you know, beyond that, I just care that you're being a good person and you're treating people the way you want to be treated. And he said, that's that's what success is to me, and that's what

makes me happy. And so as long as you're you know, a good human and you've got a good heart and you never lose that about you, then I think you're you're always going to be successful. So my parents thought. You know, especially in this this industry, can be kind of crazy and you can get uh, you know, I think a lot of people can get jaded, and uh,

is that why you're staying in Texas? Um? You know, I have a I think I just have a really interesting relationship with l A. And it's not Oh, please expand that I thought, because I probably feel the same. But I'm curious. Yeah. I mean I would say I respect the city much more than uh, I love it, um, because I could say I have a love hate relationship. But I don't hate the city. You know, It's just it's a tough stay. Yeah. I think it's can be very lonely at times. You know, you don't have people

drive around in their cars. They sit on the freeway and you're in this You're in your tiny little bubble in your own world, and you know, you don't really walk anywhere you don't, you know. And also like people here, I know a lot of people moved to l A to to secure in or to achieve a goal that they set out and that you know, that's understandable. I think a lot of people get sucked into a lifestyle

that can be sometimes very vain and um. Sometimes they focus on the things that you know that don't truly matter, and and they forget why they even came here in the first place. I just think so for me, there was always that danger in this city, which I think as long as you understand it, as long as you acknowledge it, you can't really, I mean you can, but you have it. It's it's gonna be it's gonna be harder to let it affect you, for sure. It's an

acquired taste. Thirteen years and took me a really long time before I really loved it. And I love it. Yeah, I think it comes eventually, I think anything and and I mean I spend I spend so much time here. I'm here like every every other week because I have a I have a tech startup and we're based here in l A. So I'm you know, whether I'm out here doing press for a movie for Ready Player one or you know, you know, I have I have to be here for other meetings. Talking about that startup. What

is that? It's it's well, I mean, I can't tell you too much because under reps. It's yeah, I mean a little bit, we're you know, it's something we've been working actually even before we started making Ready Player one, or I even found out that I was going to be doing the film. It was, um, you know, I was working on with on this company with my best friend.

We we co founded the company together. And uh, it's called ether A E T H E R ether Um and it's it's you know, it's geared towards interactive TV UM in immersive media. Um. So, I mean that's pretty much all I can say because we have you know, we're getting ready to make some announcements soon that we're really excited about, but we can't. You know, deals are still being fine. That's awesome, but hopefully I'll have more to share with you soon. Good luck with it. I

want to jump ahead to x Men briefly. You've got x Men Dark Phoenix coming up this year. Uh. You know, I asked you if you were a big gamer. Were you a big comic book fan growing up as well? I mean it's I was not. Actually, I mean I liked, I liked, I think comic book movies. I was obsessed with Batman as a kid until I was about eight. I think I would run around the house and about Batman. We constantly have that com Yeah, for sure, I think that's a lot of kids. I don't think it's that

weird to admit. It's popular, for sure. Batman's popular guy, so I uh yeah. But but the the X Men franchise, I think i'd only been I'd only actually started watching X Men movies like like months before I even found out that I was going to be auditioning for one.

So um, and you know I was. I became a huge fan of the franchise and went and watched all the films, and I think that you know, that franchise of any you know, out of all the marvel in DC kind of comic book superhero movies, I think it's you know, it's the one that has the most complex characters and and it's has the most humanity for me, you know, and there's still a lot of action and it's exciting, and they're you know, entertaining movies. But um, I think for me, that's why I was so excited

to become part of the franchise. And uh, this the new one coming out, Dark Phoenix, I'm really really excited about because it's it's it is really gravitating towards you know that aspect of of the of these films, you know that that element that is really grounded and uh and it is really human in this film, I think is more human than we've seen of any of the X Men movies, so are so I'm excited about that. Uh and it's uh yeah. Simon Kimberg kind of handled

the transition and directing absolutely. I mean, this is his, this is his baby for so long. Yeah. Absolutely, And this is excuse me, his it's his directorial debut and it's you know, it's like a two and a million dollar movie. Yeah, it's kind of crazy, but he you know, he you know, and I asked him about it. I said, do you feel pressured by that? And he said no, because like what other what other first time filmmakers have a two and a million dollar budgets to work with?

I mean I should, I should feel confident, if anything, because it's you know, it's more support and there's more you know, I can I can get more with that and um and he's he's he's a great storyteller and he's got great story and history instincts. I mean, so it was really great to work with with him, um on this film because he's he's interested in all the

things that I think I'm interested it in. And and you know, sometimes these movies tend to leave behind, like you know, and they tend to just kind of glide over those problems are not really let you know, those elements breathe. And I think this is something he really wanted to explore in this film. So I think, you know, it can, it might. I'm really excited to see what it'll do to an audience. And you got just a chaste in again the Tree of Life co star. I

had just gone the show before. She's the greatest person in the world. Yeah, she's a sweetheart. Speaking of Tree of Life, I did want to go back to that. I'm just curious what you retained from the experience of working with someone like Terence Malock so early. And uh, you know what, what is something you learned on that production or from a guy like him that you've carried with you. I think he's really good. I mean, it's hard to say because it was my that was my

first experience ever were on a film set. This is exactly what he wanted, I'm sure. I mean that's what he was like, what he looking for. Um, And so for us. I mean it was it was it was a normality. You know. It was the fact that I never saw a script and that I didn't know what we were going to be shooting until literally at the moment we arrived on set was for me, I thought that was normal when I was eleven years old working

on this movie. Um, but I think, you know, he's he's, he's I think there's from I guess what I retained from that experience is two you know. Always, I mean, it's good to rehearse, and I think it's good to think things through. But I mean when you overwork something and you get stuck doing one thing, and it's you know, when you dig yourself so deep and invest yourself in in one you know, I guess one style, it's it's hard to dig yourself out, and it's hard to go

different directions. And so I think what being working on his movies, Um, you know that he allows you as an actor, I think, to do so much and go us many places and and uh and he's you know, sometimes you're you're on set and you're shooting it a scene where you know it's a it's a a dinner scene, and then all of a sudden he sees birds out the window and then he just wants to shoot that,

and which is cool. So he just you know, you know, he kind of I think he's really fascinated by capturing moments that are you know, hard, extremely hard to capture, Like there's a moment in the Tree of life or a butterfly lands on Jessica Chastain's hand. And I remember when that, even when I was eleven years old, watching that happen in front of me, that was so magical, you know, and it's just there there are things like

that that only happened in his movies. Um that I feel like, you know, not a lot of other directors can can you know, bottle up? And then what kind of movies do you want to make going forward? I mean, you mentioned, you know, this was obviously a burning desire for you when you were a kid. Your parents were helping you send out tapes and everything is something you really wanted to do. Why do you want to do it so badly? And what kind of movies do you

want to make out? I mean, I think I want to, you know, I want to continue to tell stories that that move me and will move other people like me. And um that also relates you know, extremely important messages. And I think that's something that you know, I'm becoming more and more interested in and fascinated byas how how stories cannot only entertain you, but but also you know, teach you something. And my favorite movies or something, you know,

our movies that that taught me something. And so I think those are the type of films that I want to continue to make. And also films that you know, challenge me personally and uh speak to me, um in a sense of you know, at a certain place in time, you know, whether it's something that I'm going going through

with my family or and my with my friendships or whatever. Like, I always try to find things that that you know that are timely and they connect with me, honest, you know, in that moment um, And I think it's I think it's really important because I think you know, that's sometimes when it's when you you're able to do your best work, is when it's closest to you or sometimes like maybe it's something you don't understand, and through working on a film and telling a story you know similar to what

you're going through in life, may help you better understand yourself translate that the Ready player one, what what was it about this movie? Had to say that that I really spoke to you. Sure. So I'm kind of on the fence about social media, and I'm kind of on the fence about a you know, all these digital platforms that we have and how accessible they are, but and also how how much time people are investing themselves into

um these platforms. And so I actually, up until about a year ago, I was and this is very ignorant, um, but I had I had a flip phone until about a year ago, and then I switched to an iPhone because I realized, like, you know, I think, I've I'm contradicted because I see, you know, people are constantly connected to a screen and there they forget to look up and engage with people all around them, and there's like, you know, there's so much you can see and there's

so much you can learn just by looking up and um. So that was a frustration of mine, and so that's why I wanted to go against the grain, I think. But then I realized, like, it's beautiful that we all have that tool, which is we have a computer in our pockets and at any moment in time, I can google something and learn something that I didn't know, and

it's it's at my fingertips. And so in Ready Player one, you know, our movie is set in two thousand forty five where people spend most of their lives in a virtual world called the Oasis, and uh, it's a social world. It's you know, you can play games there, people even work inside of the Oasis. It's a it's a it's a you know, it's it's a photo real, uh fantastical

replica of kind of a real world reality. And you know, I think that stands as a large metaphor to social media's on these digital platforms that we have and how we balance them, you know, with our real lives. And that's something that that is like the greater that's like the greatest theme in in Ready Player one is embracing reality and embracing and accepting yourself or who you are.

Because I have a I have a seventeen year old little sister, and you know, some very sensitive to to all of this stuff, because you know, she has Instagram and all the social media platforms, and you know, I can see sometimes like maybe in a positive way, maybe in a negative way, she's affected by what people say on those platforms, and she you know, we're all seeing images of people, but they're only the images that they're choosing to show you, and that's the profile that they're curating,

and sometimes we have a hard time understanding that. So when you see whether celebrities they're posting, you know, glamorous pictures, if they're their travel or what they're doing, or the

hotel that they're staying in. You know, sometimes it's it's, I mean, it's impossible not to compare yourself to to them, um, because you're seeing it and then you know you're just it's it's sometimes it's the psychology and the psychology of it's like it can be it can be depressing, and it can make you think like, oh, you know, I'm so far from that, I'll never achieve anything in my

life or whatever. Like you know, it's that's that's not true because um, you know these I just I think that those are the images they're they're choosing to shoot you, right, and you know they're not showing you like all the bad days that they're having. Um of course, like nobody wants to show you that. So there's there's a layer there that doesn't allow for that transparency, and I think that it can be dangerous, it can be extremely helpful.

I'm actually a big you know, I'm a big believer in a digitally connected world, and I think the Internet and social media is such a new thing, and social media has become a new form of entertainment, whether or not you want to knowledge or accept it, um it has and people actually spend hours a day strong through their Instagram. So you know, it's just I think it's

about a lot of it is. You know, we're in a place now where we're just there's no rules and no rules set in place, and we're just trying to figure out how to go about it and how to incorporate it as as as a as a positive tool and and get rid of all the negative effects. Yeah. Well we're talking today on a day when Facebook's being investigated by the government, so you know, yeah, there's there's even darker elements to it. Also, good thing to keep

your eye on movies called Ready Player one. It opens March twenty nine, and we've talked about X Men Dark Phoenix that's in November, So check out both of these movies. THI shared and thanks for coming on the show. You appreciate so much