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Welcome once again to Planet Normal, the Telegraph podcast with Allison Pearson. Hello. And me, Liam Halligan. The UK faces a bigger economic hit from the US Iran War than any other major nation, according to last week's study from the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development. Warning of significant energy shortages, the OECD says growth will slump this year, with UK inflation hitting 4% plus. As an energy imports are highly reliant on natural gas to the

Britain is quote particularly exposed. That's the International Monetary Fund earlier this week, another highly credible international institution, the world's most important financial watchdog no less, calling out the UK's vulnerability. And now, with no end of this Middle East conflict in sight, even our own Bank of England is raising the alarm, warning that British households are now facing higher mortgage and other borrowing costs, along with soaring fuel and food prices.

With Iran lashing out and attacking the oil and gas infrastructure of other Gulf states Chronic fuel shortages could last months, hammering energy in porters like the UK. Go get your own oil, says Trump. Or buy it from the US, we have plenty, because you haven't really got a navy. I paraphrase, but not a lot. And amidst all this, as the new financial year begins, a whole host of pre announced tax rises are kicking in.

With Labour putting up vehicle excise duty, air passenger duty, landfill taxes. Plastic packaging tax, climate change levy. Then there's the business rates revaluation, high rates of dividend and capital gains tax, the continued freezing of income tax and asked insurance thresholds, and on top of that The start of April also sees the introduction of disastrous reforms to agricultural property relief and business property relief.

That will send inheritance tax bills soaring for countless modest family farms and precious family-owned small businesses. As I wrote in my telegraph column on Sunday, link in the show notes. Which will see many farms being sold and valuable employment intensive small firms holding. It's utter economic vandalism.

Meanwhile, you've written about the ongoing scandal of NHS waiting lists, Alison. Link in the show notes, inspired by various Planet Normal listeners. And our beloved health service seems to be using statistical chicanery now. to lower the seven million plus waiting lists ahead of next month's crucial local elections. These are tough times, dear co pilot, but at least we're recording on April Fool's Day, so we can keep the corny jokes flowing. Talking of which, I heard a rumour

But have you really bought a jerry can? I don't want this turning into one of your running jokes. Have he bought cherry cake? You'll be round my shed. Can I have a lend of your jerry can, Alan? Who cares about a cup of sugar if you got a gallon of diesel, Governor? The only trouble is I need the weightlifting to carry the bloody thing. I have got a jerry cat. Something about a cherry can isn't there. It's kinda got a nice sort of wartime wow.

Yeah, yeah. You can almost hear the Ovaltinis on your crystal set, can't you? Yeah, yeah. Feel the bake the baker light radio under your fingertips. It is dating a spitfire pilot. It's all there, isn't it, really? By the way, just because we've got this April Fool, so as you said, I have written this week about our not so beloved And m hundreds of replies, of course, from

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Not First World Health Service. And there was a particularly nice one from a gentleman who just described himself as Wigan Lancaster. I don't think this is an April Fall, but as with so much to do with our government and the NHS, it easily could be. So Wigan says So in the last week alone, my GP surgery has lost all my medical records. I've had a text to confirm my appointment to fit a contraceptive coil.

But I am male from birth and remain that way, so that would prove rather difficult. And to cap it all, I have had a call to arrange a pre-op check for procedure I had done three months ago privately, having advised them of that fact. My faith in the NHS stands just above zero. Unreal. Unreal. But you've written in serious terms, it must be said. We've had quite a few emails, haven't we, from Planet Normal listeners and viewers who have contacted us on planet normal at telegraph.uk.

People literally being shunted off waiting lists against their will, being invited to import appointments that were a last month before the letter even arrived. Real nastiness going on now. I mean that's why I talked about it this week because It's interesting now they're not even bothering to hide these ruses. So what's just happened this week, in fact yesterday, is the problem now the NHS will ration hospital referrals.

with GPs being ordered to review at least one in four rever referrals rather than sending them straight to the hospital. So this is outright rationing now, and we know from Dr. Clare, our wonderful Planet Normal GP that she's been struggling, you know, with this seeking advice and guidance, which is clearly a total lottery. Sometimes she might hear back, sometimes she has to resubmit. Many she says many of the patients she sees now are people who've become so depressed because they can't work.

So lots of our it's all connected, isn't it, Lim the the unemployment? She says she's got a jeweller who's tendinitis, he needs an operation on his hand. can't work and then they get depressed and then they put on weight and so it goes on. But I think that what's behind this, you've mentioned the local elections, Starmer and West Streeting, obviously very, very keen.

To present a good news story. They're claiming that the waiting list is down to 7.25 million, which most other countries wouldn't think was. anything to boast about. But yeah, I mean I think it is interesting. I looked I found this thing which I thought would appeal to you called Campbell's Law. Yeah. And it says the more any quantitative social indicators used for decision making,

the more subject it will be to corruption. And I suggest that what we're seeing at the moment is Former Soviet Union star corruption because the law says really the system shifts towards gaming, distorting or outright falsifying the data rather than fixing the problems. So what we're seeing in the NHS, I I I I gave in the column some examples.

There used to be an emergency overflow into corridor care. Well, we all know what that means, but now they're actually advertising for n corridor care nurses, right? This is someone's put up a kind of flimsy curtain so you know, our parents or, you know, other people's elderly relatives are spending their

last hours in some godforsaken corridor, purging the waiting lists as you just described, which is called waiting list cleansing, which sounds quite Stalinist, doesn't it? Lessons will be learned. Yn ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud. Yn ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud. Yn ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud.

Of of a few years ago, which we featured very heavily on Planet Normal. You actually interviewed Donna, Donna, yes, we did. No, she's she's absolutely astonishing, but she goes from one truss to the next. Yeah. And the babies keep dying. The Bills for maternity negligence and baby's you know, either dead or born disabled as billions and billions of

pounds and of course we can't imagine the human heartache involved beyond the money. Oh yeah. No, absolutely. Blighting whole generations of families. As we heard last week from Lucy, the mum with the young young daughter. with mental health problems waiting for five years only to get within touching distance of her eighteenth birthday and basically being invited.

to leave the waiting list and this is happening the whole time really because you know, do you are you sure you want to stay on this waiting list? And I think Liam and uh one of the tricks that's not really commented on is that many, many people affrightened of dying or on the waiting list or being in so much pain that they are then, you know, raiding their savings to go to a private hospital. Lots of private hospitals I've heard of are now saying

They're crowded. Fifty percent of people in private hospitals are NHS patients. So they're doing that really on the quiet. What I want to say to you now and to plan it normal listeners, we have this basically socialist government, right? They will fight to the bitter end any attempt They all have better health outcomes than us.

All of them have better health outcomes than us. And we know for a fact, I was in Israel and they said Wes Streeting had been there before he became health secretary on a fact finding visit. Israel has a fantastic health service. He'd also went to Australia on a fat finding mission. So West Streeting knows perfectly well that you get much far superior care, better cancer outcomes, better survival from strokes.

in these systems which have some private element. But this is the point, Liam, this government Is prepared to spend taxpayers' money paying for thousands of NHS patients to go into the private sector, but they are not prepared to take the logical step, which is that the private sector could be used. And it's we keep talking about this, don't we? More formally, more systematically, not on an impressive expensive basis. Yeah, yeah. Long-term agreements. We've got this.

NHS system unpolluted by evil capitalism. Pure ideology. But it doesn't matter. Pure ideology. Does it? It's killing people, babies, old people, people with mental health problems. It doesn't work. We don't want it. We want a system that works and where is the political party that will come out and say You know, it's w you know, it's done very well. over many years, lots of excellent people, but now it's letting people down and they are lying to us.

about the state a bit. And that's where we've got. The state is rotten. In so many areas the state is rotten.

Anne is lying, whether it's energy provision, which we're gonna go on and talk about. But I'm really, really upset about it now. You've written powerfully about it, Alison. The NHS are highly litigious, as I know from making various documentaries over the years, they would deny uh what we've said about their failures and so on. But the fact is that waiting lists are chronically high. The fact is, as we've pointed out, endlessly on Planet Normal.

yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n yw'n The UK spends about average in terms of state health care per head and yet our outcomes on the big three oncology, stroke and heart disease. are the worst or second or third worst systematically. And of course Labour indulges in this pathetic

reductionist view of the world, as does the BBC, that the only option is the NHS as it currently is, a massive state monolith employing, you know, how many? One, two million people, a complete blob. an insane bureaucracy that drives everyone that works in it in crazy, let alone the people who are paying for it. Th you know, you'd think from Labour's rhetoric and the BBC's treatment of this vastly important subject.

It was either America where until you show your credit card, you don't get any health care, which isn't actually true most of the time, but anyway, or it's R NHS system. The fact that there are, you know several dozen countries who have mixed systems still free at the point of use, that's absolutely key in those systems.

There might be a small charge here and there, as there is for prescriptions and in dentistry, means tested, but still free of the point of use. You can have a mixed provision system. The fact is, the NHS is itself a grotesque self serving interest group. And while there are many good people working in the NHS, of course there are. There are also many people that are just in it for themselves. You know, doctors coining it. and restrictive practices going on and endless strikes going on.

And lots of doctors being trained by the state and then spending most of their life part time it working in the private sector. This isn't how it should be. There should be a much more logical system. And as you say, Alison, the politics of this are shifting. Us ridiculously banging pots and pans for the NHS during lockdown will be seen as a high point of kind of

propaganda really about our healthcare system. Yes, there's lots of good people there. Plenty of my family have worked in the NHS for years and years as nurses rather than doctors, I sh I should say. It's full of good people. But the good people, the efforts of them are being stymied by the system. And if you talk to these people up close and personal, as I often do, not least because quite a few of them are my relatives and you've got deep contacts in the NHS.

as well. We talked to George, our incredible NHS statistical insider, Dr. Clare, other healthcare practitioners operating at the highest level that talk to Planet Normal, anonymously and on the record. We're not just saying this. for ideological reasons. The system doesn't work, as you rightly say, and it's fantastic.

that you've really marked that in your column this week, I think, amidst everything else that's going on, with Donald Trump saying, Oh, you haven't really got a navy, have you? And let's tear up NATO. I mean, what's going through his head?

He's in a raging bull phase, isn't he, really? Raging man, baby. My God. Oh, I know. I was quite keen on the Iran war initially, but he's really he's even he's testing my patience, Liam. He's testing my patience. It's quite serious, isn't it? Because there's Threatening to leave NATO. That wouldn't be okay for us because we can't really we can't access our nuclear arsenal without America. They've got the key, haven't they? I think they've got the they've got the fob.

So it is very, very serious. And I think it's you know, he's uh he was on fine form this week, you know, Britain needs to learn how to fight all of these countries that can't get jet fuel. Because of the Strait of Hormuz. Like the United Kingdom, which refused to get involved. I have a suggestion, as you said, buy it from the US. Build up some delayed courage and go to the Strait of World Moose and

Take it. You'll have to start learning to fight for yourself. Go get your own oil. I mean, it is pretty inflammatory stuff, isn't it, really? There's a lot going on here. Saying that Where are the Brits is incendiary to a certain generation of newspaper commentators, you know, people, well, of our generation, frankly, who grew up

on stories passed down one generation about, you know, the Brits standing firm and in, you know, the finest hour. America took a long time to turn up So the Second World War, whatever you read. whatever the Hollywood glossing of save it private Ryan is, actually for a long time there the Brits were standing alone, Brits and the Commonwealth nations.

against evil. It was you know, I my family weren't even British back then. We were picking spuds in the West of Ireland. But I feel incredible pride. actually uh the UK's role in the world at that time and for Trump to say this is pretty tearneered. But on the other hand, you know, even the first Sea Lord is saying we haven't got a navy, right? And at the same time, what is true is that the Americans don't actually need the Strait of Hormas, right?

Back in nineteen seventy three when you had the oil price shock off the Yom Kippur War, America was the world's biggest energy importer. It badly needed Arab oil and gas. It doesn't anymore because since two thousand and five, since the Shell Revolution America's combined oil and gas production has gone from like five million barrels of oil equivalent to thirteen or fourteen million barrels. They're energy self sufficient if they want to be.

Of course, other stuff comes out of the Persian Gulf, fertilizer, feedstock, all kinds of other minerals that are very, very important. And of course there's a global price, broadly a global price for oil and gas. American oil and gas exporters make money, but of course Trump gets harmed because as we go into the summer, the so called driving season

As we approach the midterms in November, the fact that petrol gas, as the Americans call it, that they bought in their cars is now four dollars a gallon. That is a very big moment in American politics. That is an incredibly sensitive political metric.

Trump doesn't want these really high oil prices. But the reality is, of all the major economies in the world, the one that can stand most Middle East sort of effectively oil and gas embargo, which is currently happening courtesy of Iran blocking the Strait of Hormuz. America can style that one out. So the fact you know, this threat that I may just stop this war, you know, walk away from this war with the Strait of Hormos blocked, that's a real threat.

that Trump can credibly make. And basically he's trying to get the rest of the Western world, Nate the rest of NATO, the Europeans, the Brits, he's trying to get them engaged and involved. in order not just to help militarily, to the extent that we and the French and so on can, but also to share the political pain of it.

to share the burden as and when it goes properly wrong, which it now seems to be, because guess what? The Iranians are a bit more determined and a bit more sophisticated with respect than the Venezuelans. And they are really, you know, determined people and by taking out the top layer of the Iranian theocracy, actually you've just exposed other layers of really hard line people from the Revolutionary Guard who were actually tempered by the theocrats that were there beforehand.

Rich princelings and then the next one was compliant. But yeah, Iran is a very, very different place and I think he's bitten off more than he can chew. Well, I think that's being unduly pessimistic. Because I think that their arsenal and the even then their nuclear threat, I think they are pretty much, you know, at the bottom of the barrel now. I really do think that. So I think they have Israel and America combined have really, you know, reduced

Iran and I think that they're very clever at the propaganda, but I think that their actual ability to fight back is But what do they need to do to block the strait? They need a few drones and they need to tell Reuters and other news services that they've laid a moat load of mines. And then the insurance industry

Well won't finance the passage of those ships and then you and then we're done. As we're recording Liam Trump saying Iran is asking for a ceasefire, and we can't really rely on anything he says. No. I think it was a huge mistake. I think Starmer was posturing again with an eye on the homegrown Muslim vote.

when he in those first couple of days, I think wrongly refused to allow he wasn't wrong to say we won't get dragged into the war, boots on the ground style, but he didn't even allow the US to have access to our bases, but really technically in reality their basis. And I think that was a terrible mistake. for the special relationship which now basically lies

at the bottom of the mid Atlantic. So that I think that could be a historic mistake. That bit of posturing could have put a real crack across NATO. Exactly. So I think he should be it really unduly provoked him. And let's spare a little thought for King Charles who's gonna turn up in Washington at the end of the month for a state music. Can you imagine? It's gonna take a packet of Dutch original shortbread to short bread to sort Trump out.

You need an aircraft carrier full of shortbread. That's it. We can unblock the Straits of Hormuz with shortbread. Exactly. It's quite heavy. It's quite heavy. Oh my god, that that'll really uh that that'll really, really cattle the Iranian Military attack. And with some flattracks. We may not have any boats, but we've got loads of flat tracks. But coming back to what you said at the top, look, we

Unbelievably this week we had Rachel Reeves and Mad Miniband in a G seven online meeting. And Rachel had the nerve suggest to the other G seven countries that they could work on their, you know, becoming more energy secure. I mean, we are in the land of nod now, aren't we, with these people? And what you said at the top.

that we are, you know, people of authorities have said we are more exposed to this shock than other countries. This is self inflicted, Liam, right? We could have, you know, under Liz trust, much malign, but Liz said you know, let's get cracking with shale gas, let's drill oil and gas, which Kemi Badenock is now saying, you know.

You know, and of course reform absolutely sort of very full blooded on that. But we the situation we are in is far worse. And Starmer did a press conference today, that's Wednesday. You know, talking about a storm is coming, he's always taking decisions in the British interest. Absolute rubbish. as you outlined in your lovely list of of the woe coming our way.

I don't think I'm I don't think I'm on the Talk about timing, my goal. Absolutely you know, every tax under the sun. It's what happens when you announce tax rises and they're introduced in the future. The future arrives. Yeah. So now, as you say, with people thinking, My God, you know, I think our

latest gas and energy bill was like five hundred pounds or something. I mean, God knows what it's gonna be like when, you know, the actual pain kicks in, apart from the jerry can in the shed. That's gonna stand us in good stead. So we are horribly exposed and Starmer's gonna posture he's now saying, Oh, you know, uh this is a good reason to get closer to the EU. Surprise, surprise. You know, I mean the man is shameless, isn't he?

I think he is. The idea that close to aligning ourselves with the slowest growing continent in the world, except Antarctica, is gonna rescue our economy is just nuts. And again, it's just political posturing trying to rope in, you know, the university town bien pensants who are flirting now with the Green Party. It's just pathetic internal posturing. And look I've advocated for us to use less fossil fuels for my whole adult life, right? I really do I've researched a lot over the years.

hydrogen, other green technologies, you know. In the end, it makes a lot of sense. But in the end, is a long time in the future because there's an awful lot of research and engineering to be done. And you have to make these transitions gradually because you in the meantime everyone else is living and you can't destroy the economy that's generating the wealth that can finance the chain.

The way we're doing this, again, all about ideology, all about posturing from both left and right, you know, Theresa May's as guilty as anyone on this, and a lot of Tories that went along with all this kind of, you know, green zealotry.

Good for Kemi Badenok that she's turned you know, she's put the handbrake on on that stuff. Claire Catino, the shadow energy secretary, is now very much an evangelist for more drilling in the North Sea. It just doesn't pass the sniff test, right? That here we are and the Norwegians are making, hey, literally, making a huge amount of money.

further ensuring their own energy security, further increasing the extent to which we are reliant on them, because they are drilling in the North Sea. They're discovering new wells all the time and upping their production while our wells that are completely viable, as long as you're not taxing them at seventy five percent of the profit.

Yeah, at regular taxation levels. And oil and gas companies should pay higher corporation tax than other people. I accept that. It should be higher, tw thirty, thirty five percent with a supplementary, something like that. But at seventy five percent, all these worlds cease to be viable. It just doesn't pass the common sense test.

Particularly if we start to get power cuts or outages, as I'm not allowed to call them, yeah, when refrigeration starts being a problem, when you know hospital backup generators fail and and the grid is failing. Yeah, as we try and take our place with the AI revolution in the months and years to come and we simply haven't got the grid capacity to do that, as I wrote a couple of weeks ago.

i in the telegraph. I had an incredible conversation with a guy up in the north east of England, John McGee, who is like a we should get him on Planet Normal. He was an apprentice electrician on a building site and now he's one of the leading data centre entrepreneurs in the world, frankly, is building these modular data centres that snap on. But even he's he wants that to happen in the northeast of England. He wants us to be at the forefront of the AR revolution. And he's saying

The grid capacity just isn't there. As our grid continues to fail systematically, curtailing growth, and at the margin where there are emergency situations, and the grid will fail, which is where we are heading. Right all the politics of net zero will completely change and all the worries and the angsting of the pearl clutching middle classes about net zero will quite frankly Be completely blown away. by the general population saying just drill what are we doing? This is nuts.

And any popularity that Ed Milliband has outside of a narrow base of green haired Labour activists will be completely destroyed. Politics on this will move very, very quickly. As and when the genuine weakness of our grid and our energy infrastructure more generally is exposed, as it is about to be.

And there aren't many silver linings in this scenario, but I'm afraid that's one of them. As with the NHS. the propaganda and the lies goes into overdrive. So we're seeing both Rachel Reeves and Miliband talking about price gouging, right? Now who is getting the majority? So Belmastat of the Week, here we go. Go on then. So Rachel's tax bonanza, Treasury's getting twenty million a day now. from extra revenue

from levies and taxes on oil and gas as this price goes up. When they say, Oh, you know, there's no money for these, you know, lucky middle class people who are still able to afford to feed the dog Actually, they have got money, haven't they? They have, and it's true that as the price of petrol goes up

The biggest net beneficiary of that is the government. But Liam, no one knows that, right? No punter. Well, over half of what we pay at the on the forecourt is tax. Yeah. But there's another aspect of this, Alison. Yes, that generates money, that means the government could, you know, not increase

fuel duty, even cut fuel duty, even cut VAT from fuel. These things are happening all over the continent, other countries, in Australasia, these things, these emergency measures are happening, not in the UK. But the major issue that we have, Alison, is yes, the government may be getting a bit more money from fuel duty and VAT as energy prices rise. But I'm afraid that's completely blown away by the fact that government borrowing costs are spiralling.

Their interest service costs are spiralling. As I said, even before this even before we had You know, Trump making his move on Iran at the end of February. In February, the borrowing numbers, I don't I don't apologize for repeating them. They're absolutely insane. We borrowed in February alone as a government fourteen point three billion quid. That's roughly the money you get from two P on the basic rate of income tax.

over an entire year. It's massive money. We borrowed fourteen point three billion in one month. And of that fourteen point three billion, thirteen billion was debt interest payment. Most of our borrowing went on servicing the debt on previous borrowing. Completely mad. I wasn't, by the way. I I'm not in my new with my new economic literacy. I'm not gonna horrify you. I don't think that, you know, bills should be

subsidized to any great extent. I'm just pointing out the fact that they're lying to the public who think that They try to say all the you know, the guys with the local garage, he's gouging money out of you. That's not true. That's not true. People don't understand that to fund these Ed's, you know, Windy Miller's mad windmills

not just for mad pursuit of net zero, which as you said is not attainable in the short or even the medium term. So even if the windmills aren't turning and the sun's not shining, these guys are still raking it in. And I don't think the public

has yet fully grasped that they are being had, really. Alison, let's end this section before we go to the guests, let's end this section on a question, right? And maybe Planet Normal Listeners can help us answer it. You mentioned Windy Miller, right? I do like a Trumpton reference. Oh, I love Trumpton. But was it Campbellwick Green or was it Chigley? There you go. Can you sing can we sing the tune of when the windmill's going round?

Do you remember that one? The chuk chuk ch it's that sound sounds of our childhood. Next week, Pogles Wood. Right. Tinger and Tucker with Auntie Jean. This is why Planet Normal is such essential listening. Things no one can remember from the nineteen seventies. We are gonna get so many emails about Chicly.

Sångens ljud börjar rapporteras in på flera håll i landet. Till exempel har ljudet av högtrycksrätt, robotgräskar och slangvindar noterats. Intresset bekräftas även från Klossolss butiker som står redo för utes. اشتركوا في القناة Vi vet att vi När det kommer till ålderskontroller. Tillgång till alkohol mår folk hälsan bättre. Systembolaget är annorlunda av en anledning. Slight swerve away from Trumpton. It's a welcome return to the Rocket for Professor Matt Goodwin, a highly respected academic.

political scientist and parliamentary candidate for reform UK. Matt recently came second to the Green Party in the Gorton and Denton by election. Matt has written several bestsellers. national populism, which forecasts the rise of populist parties, values, voice and virtue, which outline the key shifts that have powered the rise of Nigel Farage. Matt has one of the largest substacks in Europe, nearly a hundred thousand Daily Readers, even co pilot Hannigan occasionally as a guest star with Matt.

He also presents a popular weekly show on G B News. Now Matt's new book, Suicide of a Nation, Immigration, Islam, Identity, quickly went to the top of the best seller charts, but has also caused huge controversy. Because of its provocative portrait of Britain, a nation, Goodwin argues, that is not only threatened by unprecedented demographic change, but actively participating in its own demise.

Matt Goodwin, welcome once again to Planet Normal. Matt, your new book, Suicide of a Nation, Immigration, Islam Identity is currently number two on Amazon. Just behind a book about a fluffy Easter chick. You missed a trick there, Matthew. fluffy chicks, you'd have been straight into number one. So the book has caused quite a stir. Critics have already said the book is racist, divisive, toxic. irresponsible and

incendiary, although not the Allison Pearson column. We quite liked it. Matt, what is it that your critics have objected to and is it bothering you or is it just confirming you in what you wrote? I think on one level there have been all the usual attacks that the book is Directly running against the liberal consensus that has given us mass migration, a broken policy of multiculturalism and broken borders. So I don't pull any punches.

in the book, I sort of dismantle all of that and I also consciously and deliberately published outside of the mainstream publishing industry, which is really important because This is my eighth book, but I know from my experience I would never have been allowed to publish a book like this with a mainstream publisher. So they don't like that because they can't control the book, they can't censor the book. But then there are these very misleading and

false claims that I've somehow drawn extensibly on artificial intelligence when writing the book, which is categorically untrue. It's an attempt to discredit what I'm writing. I've certainly used AI as a research tool, but it's a bit like using a calculator when you do maths. Everybody is using AI now, as long as you're cross-checking the numbers that you get with the official data.

Which I do, for example, showing how classrooms are changing in Britain because of mass immigration, looking at how alarmingly large numbers of people in our country reject our British and English identity. And I point to this and I think really What we've seen is

something similar to what we saw with Brexit, to be honest, which was an attempt to discredit a viewpoint, discredit an argument that many people on the left and also to my right, people that just don't like reform, maybe they prefer Somebody like Rupert Lowe. I've had it on all sides from people who are criticizing the book for politically motivated reasons. Thankfully, it's connected with the people.

I've just read in the bookseller magazine, which is a leading magazine for the publishing industry, that the book is now Ranked as the second non-fiction paperback in the country, which means it's basically one of the biggest books in Britain right now. And I'm very, very thankful that people are looking past the debate in London to actually read about what's happening to our country and what will happen, Alison, if we don't change course.

Having said that, there are several misquotations. Do you think, given you knew the kind of flack you were likely to get? that you could perhaps have been a bit more vigilant about some of these quotes slipping through. So there are a couple of historical misquotes that are being corrected as you and I speak now. We're going to release an updated edition shortly.

To give you an example, I've misquoted Cicero, who spoke two thousand years ago, I say something along the lines of he wanted to put the people first. Whereas in reality what he said is the good of the people is the supreme power. So that's the kind of stuff that we're talking about. There has been a debate about what's going on in the classrooms. One of my critics, a left-wing activist called Andy Twelve,

has claimed that it is simply not true that a majority of children in classrooms in places like Leicester, Luton and Slough no longer speak English as their main language. Now, I'm afraid anybody who's actually looked at the data That is true. If you look for example at what's happening in primary schools in those areas.

upwards of fifty percent of children no longer speak English as their main language. Now people on the left will say, what's the problem with this? We're totally comfortable with this. My view is actually I think that is very, very worrying and I think it's a reflection. of how the shared language and the shared culture that used to hold our country together is breaking down. But whatever you think about that, Alison, it's a debate that we need to have.

And I'm not going to have that debate shut down. I'm not going to have it censored. We have to be able to discuss what is happening to Britain. And I stand by that. I was gonna come onto that but we'll as you've raised it now, we'll talk about that now. We've always had immigrants where the mother tongue was the tongue in the home and the children spoke English in the classroom and in wider society. It could be Yiddish, could be Turkish.

English is my second language, Matt. I spoke Welsh until I was five. I think my English is quite good now. So I mean What's wrong with children having a mother tongue? at home and then learning English for their public role, as it were. Do you object to that? Or is it more of a sign of not a shared national identity? What what are you getting at?

Well firstly, congratulations on speaking Welsh as well because half of my family being Welsh on the We share a Celesi I know, this is why we're this is why we're Bolshe pit ponies, Goodwin, you see. I did try to learn it once, but goodness me it's a hard language. Yes, we've always had people who have spoken different languages. Of course we have.

But what is happening in Britain now thanks to mass migration is something completely different. For example, if you look at the official census, we now have at least one million people as of twenty twenty one. The number's almost certainly higher thanks to the Boris Wave. of migration since then. But we have at least one million people in Britain who cannot speak English well or at all.

I think we should talk about that. In primary and secondary schools, yes, we've always had children who might speak a different language at home and then speak English in the classroom. But some of the numbers that we are now seeing in parts of Britain And I list those numbers in detail. For example, around one in every three children in places like Newcastle, Glasgow, much higher in places like Slough, Peterborough.

Leicester, Luton, Bradford and so on. For those children, English is no longer the main language. We're spending two hundred and thirty four million pounds in recent years on translation services in our public institutions. And I'm not the first person to point to how the rise of multilingualism erodes our shared sense of who we are.

Samuel Huntington in America famously wrote a book called Who Are We? in which he said that if you increasingly have many different languages and in turn many different cultures, many different ways of life, What you end up losing over the long term is that sense of we in who are we, our collective story, our collective memory.

our collective history. I was struck when I went to East London recently to do a short documentary on what do people think Britishness is. And I'm I'm being very honest with you, Alison, it took me twenty minutes to find anybody. in East London around the Whitechapel area who could actually speak English.

Now how can you have a shared identity? How can you have a shared story, a shared memory, if the people in your society rising numbers don't even speak the shared language? My view is perhaps old fashioned. I think If you live in England and you're working in England I think you should fundamentally speak English. And I don't mind pointing to that. I've also pointed to the constraints that it poses on teachers and schools.

Again, the left disagree with me, they say there's nothing to see here. But if you read the evidence that's been submitted by organizations like the Bell Foundation and others, it is quite clear teachers struggle with schools where there are dozens, if not more, languages being spoken. And by the way, people on the left, they never say, what about the British kids?

Who have to go through the educational system in this environment. I'm not talking about one or two Welsh speakers here, Alison. I'm talking about schools. say a school in Bradford. My critics really attack me for pointing to what's happening in Bradford. Yeah, years ago I did teacher training in Southall and

even then, this is a long time ago, there were children in my English class who's couldn't write English. I mean, they were they were lovely kids, but they were from foreign backgrounds and it was a struggle to incorporate the teaching of them

into the group where there were children where English was the first language. So I take your point, Matt. The book does contain some shocking statistics about the rapid pace of demographic change in Britain. You talk about how England and Wales will change in just one lifetime between Today, in the end of the century, white Britons become a minority in 2063. And by the time a child born today turns 37 years of age,

will officially become a minority group in Britain. And and you say also point out Matt that until the late nineteen nineties, white British represented more than ninety five percent of the country. Are you making a point about skin colour per se? Most of us know people who aren't white and yet are thoroughly British, a couple of leading lights in reform, one's family from Sri Lanka, one Lena Cunningham's family from Egypt.

I think I feel they're they're British. Are you are you making a point about skin colour if whiteness is is eroded? Or are you making a point again about national identity? Well, the first thing to say is even though many people who will be listening to this have a sense that Britain is changing, I don't think people fully understand how quickly our country is about to be transformed. That's why I wrote the book,'cause I wanted to tell people the truth.

And as you say, some of the numbers are pretty startling. Now I want to talk about whether the British and the English people want that to happen, because I don't think there's much of a democratic mandate for that. scale or demographic change. It's like nothing our ancestors have ever seen. Now with regards to the majority

I don't view this as being really about race and ethnicity. I view it as being more a story about historic majorities. Majority groups are important because they anchor the nation. They define the nation. So if you look around the world, about seventy percent of all countries have a very clear majority group. And about eighty percent of all countries have a majority that represent

about forty percent of their population. Now what I'm saying is if we carry on in the current direction of travel in Britain. By the end of this century we will have neither of those things. Now that puts us into the same bucket. as countries like Lebanon and Sierra Leone. Majorities are important and even people from minority backgrounds who I'm very clear, I make this point in the introduction, they care just as much about these issues as their white British counterparts.

That's why, for example, one in three black and minority ethnic Britons voted for Brexit because they care as much about these issues around borders demographic change, lowering migration, restoring national sovereignty as their white British counterparts. They view the majority of the nation as a symbol of their nation and they too don't want to live

in a country, let's say fifty years from now, that might call itself Britain, might call itself England, might call itself Wales. But it doesn't actually look in any recognizable sense.

like the Britain or the England or the Wales that we currently know and recognise and also love. And that's why I think this is about saying there are millions of people Often from different backgrounds, who value our country, who value the demographic makeup of our country and they don't want to see it overturned.

Uh you're right, for decades the institutions that once embodied our nation, Parliament, civil service, the courts, the police, the BBC have drifted away from the public they exist to serve. Our country is now in the grip of a new ruling class, whose members see themselves not as custodians of a living nation, but as supervisors of a global humanitarian project.

that has no borders and no loyalty to the people whose taxes fund their salaries. Now you've worked in academia, Matt, you've been surrounded by the people you describe. How did all these bright, highly educated people end up becoming hyper progressives, unarguably anti British?

Well it's a very it's a very big question and I have to be honest, the twenty years in the university has certainly influenced my thinking and writing in the book because I've seen it all. I mean, I've been at the World Economic Forum workshops, I've been top academics around the world. I've seen how they talk and think about the countries that they're from, but no longer really value or cherish. And so

You know, this book has ruffled feathers among that group. I think what's essentially happened is the public have started to drift right on cultural issues like migration and borders because they recognise that their countries are being destroyed. And I I'm very clear in the book in saying this is about civilizational collapse. That's what we're living through. While the institutions

they've been drifting to the left. Not just the universities, but the publishing houses, the political parties, the media, all of the things you've pointed to as well, the police authorities, the the the general regime of censorship and control.

As those institutions have sensed that the people are on the move, they've tried to keep everybody in place. And I just don't think that's sustainable. In higher education, partly it's about how people have self-selected into higher education, but it's also about what happens when you're it. the universities and what generally happens is you are exposed to groupthink.

It is ironic that the universities talk endlessly about diversity, but there really is a complete lack of diversity of thought in higher education. And I think now that's being made worse by how higher education's becoming a Ponzi scheme for mass migration. So it's increasingly clear that higher education is being used to encourage the importing of low wage, low skilled non European migrants.

who are basically allowing second rate universities to keep the lights on and giving them a crucial source of funding, but those students are often using higher education to just get into Britain and then switch onto different visa programmes and stay in the country.

Now, I'm happy to be unpopular among my academic colleagues for pointing this out, but I've lived it, I've seen it, I've been told not to fail international students because they bring money that the university needs, and without that money the university would go broke.

I'm just blowing the whistle and the reason I wanted to tell tell people the truth about how immigration is changing our society So I had to consciously step outside of all of that to actually bring people the evidence and the data, showing, for example, why mass migration is weakening weakening our economy.

showing why actually certain minority groups are disproportionately more likely to commit rape and sexual assault. I'm sorry if that upsets everybody, but it's an empirical fact. We either believe in evidence, Or we don't. And so I've been pointing these things out in the book and I'm glad that so many people are engaging with it because I think they can sense, to be very blunt, that they are being gaslit and they are being misled.

And I would even say they're being lied to by a political class that is wholly focused on preserving this broken consensus. Yes, my asylum system whistleblower, she said that the big surge in asylum claims have come from students and dependents coming to university. So they don't even bother to take the course anymore. They pitch up And then that's that's where the big area of growth for asylum claims

is in these people you describe. It's interesting, Matt, isn't it, that if you look at some I I'm very interested in this rise in illegal migrants linked to rape and sexual violence, something that really bothers me. because I don't think the safety of British women and children is considered at all in these immigration cases when, you know, men are kept in the system who quite frequently go on to assault people. But we recently had a case in Oxford of of an Afghan man

Who'd raped a child. And his barrister, presumably a member of this liberal class you describe, basically argued that her client. had very different cultural understanding, didn't understand British values and so on, could so couldn't really be expected to know that abducting and raping a twelve year old was not a desirable thing. I mean They do know, don't they? At some level they do know that it's incompatible, don't they?

Oh well absolutely. I I was not surprised, unfortunately, at all to see another recent case in Nuneaton where an Afghan man twenty three years of age who arrived on one of the small boats entered Britain illegally. was just sentenced to sixteen years for raping a twelve year old child in Nuneaton. This is completely consistent with the evidence I talk about in the book. Afghans are disproportionately more likely than other na foreign national groups to be arrested and convicted.

of sexual assaults. Now, Paloma Faith and Awoke Celebrities might not want to talk about this. Jess Phillips might not want to talk about this, but it is The reality that we are living through. What we need to do, I think, is really start thinking about again, what I talk about in the book is research.

that has been put forward by somebody like Garrett Jones, a very respected academic. And he has this good line. He says, what people have to understand is when you import uh migrants, you are importing the average cultural trait. of those societies. So when you're importing forty thousand Afghans as we've been doing, or you're importing people from Eritrea or Somalia, we are importing the average cultural trait

from those societies. So it's no surprise, for example, that large numbers of Somali people are living in social housing at the British people's expense. often unemployed as well. We need to end this. And in the final chapter where I say what can we do about it, we need to end welfare benefits for people who are not British. We need to end social housing subsidies for people who are not British. Those two things right there.

would save us sixteen billion pounds a year, which could go into frontline NHS. frontline schools, policing and the rest of it. But what we've got among the ruling class is what the Canadian psychologist Gad Sad has called suicidal empathy. It is a world view that is that basically pushes elites to be so obsessed with showing empathy

to other uh people, people from outside of their countries or minorities within their countries, that they end up destroying their countries from within. The grooming gang scandal is the most obvious example of. The reason nobody looked at it was because the elites were so obsessed with showing empathy to minorities that they completely overlooked white working class girls from the majority and it clashed with that world view. So what we need to do is push back very strongly.

against that world view of suicidal empathy and say, No, actually We believe in a principle of national preference. We believe that our people come first. We're not ashamed of that. We're not going to be embarrassed about that. And we're going to preserve and protect our nation states. We've seen Shabana Mahmood saying non crime hate incidents are being scrapped. They were used clearly used, Matt, to punish people for tweeting comments very like the ones you make in your book.

Do you think that this new anti Muslim hostility guidance is again being introduced to suppress precisely the kind of truthful openness you're showing in this book. Well I did think about you actually while I was writing the book because I thought if I think I get a mention, don't yeah.

Yeah, if the police officers came to your door then they're certainly about to come to my door. But I do think the supposed scrapping of non crime hate incidents in a way should be welcomed, but it doesn't really indicate the reassertion of individual liberty because at the same time

We're having this new definition of anti Muslim hostility, which of course they say is non statutory, but we all know what that means in reality is it's going to be imposed on our schools, universities, NHS and more. Which is basically gonna shut down discussion about Islam in our country. So you won't be able to criticise the scenes that we witness in Trafalgar Square. You won't be able to criticise

the way in which the grooming gangs are partly influenced by ideas and teachings within Islam. You won't be able to criticize things like Sharia courts or the way in which women are treated. Because under this definition, no doubt critics will cry that that is prejudicial stereotyping.

So no matter what somebody like Dominic Greaves says, this is now going to be used to stigmatize discussion around Islam and cultural practices within Muslim communities. What I would have liked to have seen briefly is a political leader in this country, march that school teacher in Batley back into the classroom and make it crystal clear that this is

England. The history of England is a history of liberty. That's what the historian McCaudie once said. And we are not an a country, we're not a nation that is going to be bullied and harassed and intimidated Into curtailing our public square and national conversation because of some angry Muslims. Now, if we had real leaders,

that they would be all over that. It's interesting, Nigel Farage is the only frontline political leader by the way, who has said that he will ban Muslim brotherhood. And I think that is something that has been overlooked but is incredibly important because that's what those scenes in Trafalgar Square were about. They were about bullying, they were about intimidation, and they were about using the public place to project You just

came second, a heroic second in the Gorton and Denton by election. A gro a group calling itself the Muslim vote did tell Muslims in that constituency, I believe they were quite quite a high percentage in one half of the constituency. To vote green and the greens

did indeed win, although with sending out mixed messages in the translated into foreign languages, a very different prospectus from the trans views that they espoused when speaking English. Matt, did you see sort of segregation there and what do you think are the implications?

for our democracy in the future if that's allowed to continue. Well I saw that the Greens have become a Trojan horse for sectarianism. That's basically what is happening. Many hustings, gender segregated. I didn't see Muslim women at the hustings, by the way. I saw lots of leaflets in Urdu and Punjabi. I did think about releasing my book in Urdu. I thought, hey, maybe that would encourage more people to read it. But underneath this is actually and Welsh.

And then underneath this is actually a very insidious. creeping threat that is facing our society and everybody consents it. Sectarianism is when people put tribal and religious allegiances ahead of their loyalty to Britain, and we can see that time and time again. And if this is now happening potentially in dozens of seats at the next general election, as I say in the book

Ten years from now, twenty years from now, it will be happening in hundreds of seats in this country. I don't want to see that happen. The answer to this is to do three things. We need to dramatically restrict postal voting. We need to end mass postal voting so it is only used by the disabled or people serving our country overseas or the elderly who cannot actually walk to the polling stations.

Secondly, we need to have a further clamp down on illegal, coercive family voting, and to be honest, if that means putting police officers in polling stations, then that's what it means. And thirdly, we need to ban end Commonwealth voting. There are two and a half million people in our country who can vote at our elections who are not British citizens. That is completely insane. We need to end that, do all those three things because

The reality here is we will not save our country unless we fix our democracy. And that is really the honest. point that we need to wrestle with. We need full-scale political reform before our democracy gets turned into some kind of tribal

gerrymandered sectarian system that looks more like it should be at home in a Timpot dictatorship in Africa than the home of Magna Carta and individual liberty. Dr. David Betts just finally Matt Dr David Betts has said the condition for civil war, should reform a party I believe you will stand again as an MP at the general election.

Should reform win in twenty twenty nine, what do you think it can realistically do? I mean, obviously there's gonna be massive opposition, isn't there? We see even the most minor shifts being resisted really by not just the Labour people but by the media. What could a Farage government do?

to prevent the suicide of the nation. Well I was at a meeting in North London recently, sat next to an eighty two year old lady from the British Jewish community who talked to me all night about various things and then at the end of the dinner turned

not angry, not dramatic and she just said, if reform doesn't win the next general election, we're leaving. And I was a bit taken aback because I said, Leaving She said, Yeah, leave leaving the country, leaving the only home that she's ever known And I said Well that is quite shocking. And she looked at me and and she said, Honey, everyone in this room feels that way. And it was that sense that we are approaching an end point here.

And I do really believe and Nigel Farage has talked about this, we are in last child saloon in this country because if we're going to turn it around we need to do a number of things very quickly. We need to end the policy of mass uncontrolled immigration. We need to leave the European Convention on Human Rights.

And we need to repeal Tony Blair's Human Rights Act so we can control our borders and disempower an army of activist left wing lawyers. We need to ban Muslim Brotherhood. We need to ban the Iranian Revolutionary Guards. We need to end welfare for people who are not British, end social housing subsidies for people who are not British. We need to reassert the hardworking, forgotten majority, strip out diversity, equity and inclusion from our public institutions, slash net zero, lower the tax

tax burden for small businesses, remove regulation and actually get the life and blood of our economy moving again. We also need to dramatically lower the amount of foreign aid that we're spending, about thirteen billion pounds a year on condoms in Pakistan and cycling lanes in Mexico.

while we're treating British people in hospital c car parks and corridors. It's completely outrageous. We need to start making better choices. Everything I've just said is in the reform manifesto. Now obviously I have a a bias, right? I support reform'cause I think it's the only political party that is capable of turning the tide. And I would point out, just if I may briefly, that at the recent by election, there was a candidate to my right going even further.

than reform, talking in very casual, sloppy, extreme language about mass deportations and the removal of British nationals. I would point out that that candidate attracted fewer votes than the monster raping Looney Party. Right? That is that is not where the British people are. The British people are reasonable, the British people are tolerant, the British people want fairness. But they consent.

Millions of people can sense they're being treated like second class citizens in their own country. And this book it's why on page one I dedicate this book to those people, I dedicate it to the forgotten majority, because they are being treated like second class citizens, and that's not acceptable. Well they are buying your book, Matt, in huge numbers.

And as you said in the book, the ruling class reserves a special hatred who those who tell the truth about what is really going on. So little bit of advice for you, Matthew. When the police come to the door, say nothing. Well, I'll call you. Thank you very much for being an ideal guest on Planet Normal. Interesting words as ever, Alison, from Matt Goodwin. I do think he's come in for a bit of stick unduly with people trying to attack.

the messenger rather than the message, but he's clearly taking it in good spirits. It was good of you to question him on the use of AI and and misquoting it and and so on. But this is really a function of a much bigger aspects of this book's publication, I think. The fact that it has gone to the top or very near the top. Courtesy of an Easter Bunny of the Amazon non fiction charts in the UK is very interesting because it's self published.

I've talked to Matt a lot about this. He didn't feel that he'd get a fair crack of the whip from regular publishers, and so he self published. The idea that he couldn't get a publisher is completely mad. He's written, you know, over half a dozen books. that are on various university reading lists, incredibly, you know, solid pieces that bridge between academia and a broader audience.

So he's already uh very much a published, established author with very, very prestigious publishers behind him. But he decided in this case that he didn't want to have the discussions with the editorial staff, he didn't want to have battles with mainstream publishers that are worried his book was a bit spicy. So he decides to self publish and he's got to the top of the Amazon charts or very near the top anyway. And I think that is a major change because I think it is the case

that over a number of years our publishing industry has self-censored. You have sensitivity readers and all kinds of, you know, overly lawyered manuscripts written by committee. You can't write a book by committee. I mean, we know we are authors, right? We know what it's like. You cannot write a book by committee. And a lot of the kind of woke publishing industry in recent years has tried to impose committees on, you know, iconoclastic authors.

Publishing a book, you need a team, you need proofreaders, it needs to be lawyer, obviously when you're in the public arena to the extent Matt Goodwin is. But the fact that he decided to go alone and the fact that his book Is really so important in the national discourse and selling to the extent that it is, even though he's self-published, maybe because he's self-published, I think is a major kind of moment in the sort of British.

cultural and in indeed journalistic industry. Yes, absolutely. And you can imagine one of the young sensitivity readers, can't you? Passing out. some of Matt's chapters. I'm I don't agree with everything he says. I'm I worry about some of the veering over into nativism. I wonder about this emphasis on how white Britain will be in 60, 70 years. I'm not sure. I mean, we've obviously got leading reform.

figures like Zia Yusuf, Leila Cunningham, you know, British Muslims. They're British, right? They are British. And

If we start looking at skin colour. I agree with lots of it. One interesting fact, Liam, is that J.K. Rowling's agent, very successful agent, obviously, Neil Blair, is looking at setting up a publishing house himself, which will be for people like Matt and all these people, Lucy Connolly, all these people where the sort of bien pensant publishing houses uh You know, extremely woke left wing ones. would turn their noses up. But we're seeing with Matt, aren't we, how

He's really struck a huge chord. And there are a lot of people, as he says in the book, there are enormous numbers of people, not just on the right. And this is what's really interesting. Not just on, you know, Starmer's now just not Starmer's not even using far right anymore. Today Starmer was just using right wing as a pejorative, right?

We can see what's Labour's strategy gonna be in the run up to May the seventh local elections, then in the run-up to the general election, he is just going to call reform racist. and far right and right wing, but lots of people are right wing. That's all he's got. Name calling is all he's got. He's got nothing and he is gonna be wiped out or their Labour's gonna be absolutely eviscerated.

on the seventh of May and it really is gonna be so well deserved. But I think that Labour's refusal to confront what now many of its Traditional working class voters feel very acutely in their own lives, don't they, with the rapid change of their you know, their kids' schools. By the way, I I you know, I did teach a training many, many years ago now.

And that was in Southall, very strong Asian area. In West London, yeah. It was fascinating because a lot of the particularly the Asian girls I was teaching were they were highly motivated kids, right? They were sitting in the front with the thesauruses and

All the Angela Rayners were at the back putting on their makeup, you know, and filing their nails and staring daggers at me. But it's difficult, Liam. And what Matt talks about it disadvantages the British children, you know, the indigenous British children. A lot of the early wave into Southorn, I grew up literally, you know, not far. Up the road, a bike ride away. Yeah. And it was the same in Kingsbury where I grew up.

A lot of the early wave of Asians, you know, many of whom I was at primary school with and are my best mates to this day, frankly. were Hindus and the Hindus were very pro education, very pro integration. You know, obviously they had their rituals and their culture and they were very open about it and it was very enriching for all of us. Rydyn ni'n ei wneud. Rydyn ni'n ei wneud. Rydyn ni'n ei wneud. Rydyn ni'n ei wneud. Rydyn ni'n ei wneud. Rydyn ni'n ei wneud.

A lot of these inner city areas now, the predominant population is Muslim. W and of course there are many moderate Muslims who have exactly the same aspirations for their daughters as they do for their sons. But there are quite a few that don't. And there are quite a few that don't integrate and don't want their wives speaking English and taking part in local community activities.

So there has been a change. There has been a change. And I agree with you. I think sometimes Matt Goodwin it really does go quite far on the nativism, though I do think There's a lot of value in what he says. I do think Gorton and Denton is a major footnote in political history and he helped that happen. Yeah, because he was such a strong candidate, because he has got such a strong following, he almost forged the absurd green Islamic alliance.

Yeah, you had Zack Polansky dancing on a stage at a recent anti far right rally in London and Zach Polansky's literally there with blokes in SM bondage gear. I mean how's that gonna go down at the local mosque? Huh. In the end, the Muslim vote is so galvanized, it's so organized.

It's got demography on its side, it's growing all the time. They will just dispense with the Greens as and when they want to and need to. The the Greens are their plaything, how they must disdain these ridiculous bourgeois posers. who are treating British democracy like a kind of an extension of The summer festival season.

to the horror of a lot of the population. And I do think as the Greens are more exposed, the the idiocy of a lot of what they're saying, it's not even as if they're talking about the environment these days. It's all foreign policy and it's all anti capitalism and it's all you're not allowed to rent out your flat. I mean, it's all let's just print money, there's a magic money tree. I mean it's just ridiculous. And I do think it will be smoked out. And I do think

that this green Islamic alliance will break down under its own internal contradictions. But just I think to say a thank you to Matt Goodwin because I think his idea that the country that so many of us love will be gone unless mass immigration is reversed and very, very strong limits set for British values and defending our way of life. Now onto our listener emails, the messages you send us at Planet Normal at Telegraph dot co dot UK. Please keep them coming, we learn so much from you.

The citizens of Planet Normal. Lots and lots of emails coming in on the NHS, as we talked about on the top. This is from Claire. The case of Sandy Peggy, the nurse who found herself in dispute with Fife Health Board over her objection to a male doctor dressed in female clothing using the women's changing rooms.

is instructive as to the NHS's priority, says Claire. The twenty-something Equality and Diversity Officer who gave evidence at the hearing was reported to be paid a salary in the range of fifty to fifty nine thousand. Sandy Peggy, a nurse of many years experience of practical patient care, was on a salary scale of somewhere between thirty and forty thousand. Absolutely, absolutely ridiculous.

And this is from Derek. This is a familiar story. My wife and I looked on as a major NHS hospital effectively killed an elderly friend of my wife. She had severe curvature of the spine and many excruciating, painful, and seemingly mostly undetected features. My wife's friend was a retired nurse, as is my wife.

So after a four, my wife's friend was admitted. You walk into the modern hospital and there there are statues and mission statements emblazoned in the lobby that talk of compassion, respect and dignity and pride. But where's good nursing gone? So that's absolutely great. And this is from Mike actually. This is really interesting.

Mike says we are finding getting to see a GP increasingly difficult, with a two week wait being common if you can get to see one at all. More often you will be triaged to a nurse. At one stage we could message our GPs through the NHS app. That facility has now been removed. My wife needed a physio appointment. The wait time was over four weeks. The GP service.

is becoming more and more difficult to access, which may be one reason why more people are using A and E. I guess this is the new NHS strategy to take the pressure off the NHS, says Mike.

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Other increases include, says Luke, national insurance plus God knows how much more to fill the van up every week. Why aren't I taking on new staff? The government wonders. You tell me. And then this is Mark from Manchester. Dear Alison and Liam. What a pleasant surprise awaited me on opening the Daily Telegraph app on Saturday morning, expecting more international doom and gloom.

More enraging news on that dreadful droning dead weight masquerading as a Prime Minister. Is every utterance a non prime hot air incident? But no, says Mark, instead. I was faced with the image of a Lycra clad gym godess. An athletic Alison telling us all about her fabulous gym journey and the joys and benefits of lifting weights who'd a thunk it. A story of decreasing jabs and increasing gym, it made my day.

I too started weights a year or so ago, says Mark from Manchester, and can definitely back up what Super Spell Allison says. Niggling aches and pains have disappeared. I feel stronger, fitter, and more confident all round. More power to you, Alison. Keep up the good work. You look fab. And what of Liam? Well

He'll soon be on his bike ride taking on his annual challenge for charity, cycling three hundred kilometers from London to Paris for Duchenne muscular dystrophy in twenty four hours. Will he too be featured in the telegraph with inspirational photos to boot? And will he and Alison take on a new merchandising opportunity and treat us all to a calendar with each month. Featuring an inspirational shot of our trusty, powerful podcasting co-pilots, matching their intellectual might with their.

Athletic prowess. Only time will tell. Keep up the good work, you athletes, and of course, a million thanks for the superb co podcast, which keeps my spirits up. Mark from Manchester.

Good man. Good man. I'm not getting on a tandem with you. Imagine you at the front. You'd be so bloody bossy, wouldn't you? Be terrible. Can you imagine my little legs trying to keep up with the Let's both steer on the tannin, shall we? Let's steer by committee, shall we? Finally, this is from John. Hi, Alison, Liam. It was quite amusing to see Rachel and Ed summoning the petrol retailers to the headmaster's study for dressing down on price gouging.

thus displaying complete ignorance of how the petrol market works, says John. The retailers make less than was it, ten percent profit on petrol? Whilst the government takes fifty percent in fuel duty and VAT. Who is the price gouger here? says John. As well as the usual laws of supply and demand, the price of petrol is also affected by wholesale and distribution costs but by local competition pressure.

The retailers also take huge financial risk by buying long if they think wholesale prices will rise in the future, and buying short if they think prices will fall. When they get this wrong, it hits their profit margins significantly. Wouldn't it be nice, says John, to have a government that understands how business and markets work, unlike the current bunch of student politicians?

And on that bombshell, that's it from Planet Normal. As we leave our sanctuary sweet reason, our flying refuge of reasoned views. Email of the week, it's my turn. It's gotta be Mark from Manchester, a city close to my heart. Mark, send us an email to planetnormaltelegraph.co.uk. Put mug winner in the subject heading, and we will send you your rare as rocking horse poo, Planet Normal Mug.

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