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Plain English with Derek Thompson

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Longtime Atlantic tech, culture and political writer Derek Thompson cuts through all the noise surrounding the big questions and headlines that matter to you in his new podcast Plain English. Watch Derek and guests engage the news with clear viewpoints and memorable takeaways. New episodes drop every Tuesday and Friday, and if you've got a topic you want discussed, shoot us an email at plainenglish@spotify.com! Subscribe to our YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@PlainEnglishwithDerekThompson
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Episodes

The Four Ways That the Iran War Could End

Dramatic regime change. Moderate regime evolution. A calamitous regional conflict. Or … no change at all. Today we consider how the Iran conflict might evolve following the killing of Supreme Leader Khamenei with Karim Sadjadpour, an American policy analyst at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Subscribe to our YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@PlainEnglishwithDerekThompson If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at PlainEnglish@Spoti...

Mar 03, 202656 minSeason 5Ep. 12

How Metrics Make Us Miserable

This episode explores how metrics, from sports analytics to personal health trackers, can subtly hijack our values, forcing us to play measurable games instead of truly valued ones. Guest C. Thi Nguyen, author of "The Score," explains "value capture," sharing personal anecdotes from rock climbing and academia. The discussion delves into the nature of games, the importance of distinguishing between a goal and a purpose, and how to reclaim autonomy by listening to internal signals over external scores.

Feb 27, 20261 hr 4 minSeason 5Ep. 11

The Future of GLP-1 Drugs and AI Medicine, With Eli Lilly CEO David Ricks

The GLP-1 drug revolution has taken the medicine world by storm. I’ve done several episodes on the science of GLP-1s. But we’ve never done an episode like this before, where we talk to one of the most important people in charge of guiding the GLP-1 drug revolution. Our guest is Dave Ricks, the CEO of Eli Lilly, the largest pharmaceutical company in the world. First we talk about what makes the GLP-1 drug category special and the science that Lilly is doing to improve these drugs. Then, we talk a...

Feb 24, 20261 hr 8 minSeason 5Ep. 10

The Supreme Court Strikes Down Trump’s Tariffs. Now What?

Donald Trump suffered a huge blow Friday when the Supreme Court struck down the centerpiece of his economic policy: his vast system of tariffs. So, what happens now? Harvard’s Jason Furman explains the implications for the U.S. economy, consumers, global trade, and Trump’s strategy of centralizing power in the executive branch and using trade policy as a means of wringing concessions out of other counties. Subscribe to our YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@PlainEnglishwithDerekThomp...

Feb 21, 202642 minSeason 5Ep. 9

The Media Theory That Explains “99% of Everything”

This episode explores how shifts in communication—from orality to literacy and now to digital orality—fundamentally transform society, politics, and human thought. Host Derek Thompson and guest Joe Weisenthal discuss Walter Ong's theories, the impact of literacy on abstract thinking, and the return of oral traditions in the digital age. They delve into how social media and AI foster new forms of interaction, tribalism, and a "no sense of place," altering our relationship with information, power, and even ourselves.

Feb 17, 20261 hr 3 minSeason 5Ep. 8

"America Isn’t Ready for What AI Will Do to Jobs"

In his epic cover story for The Atlantic this month, staff writer Josh Tyrangiel spoke to dozens of economists, workers, tech CEOs, and AI experts about the danger that artificial intelligence might pose to the labor force. Is AI developing the capacity to automate and even replace millions of white-collar jobs, as many technologists and some economists predict? Or is this a normal technology that, like previous generations of technology, will have a much slower effect on the workforce? We cover...

Feb 13, 20261 hr 7 minSeason 5Ep. 7

The Meltdown at The Washington Post—and the Crisis in News

Hello! I’m back from paternity leave just in time to talk about the biggest media earthquake of the year (so far): the Washington Post meltdown. For decades, the Post was a journalistic gem with superior coverage of politics. Last week, billionaire owner Jeff Bezos decided to gut roughly a third of the staff after the paper lost hundreds of millions of dollars in the last few years. Today’s guest is Jim VandeHei, the cofounder of Politico and Axios and a former Post reporter. We talk about the d...

Feb 11, 20261 hr 11 minSeason 5Ep. 6

Plain English BEST OF: What’s the Matter With America’s Food?

Throughout December and January, we’ve been re-airing some of our favorite episodes of the past year and beyond, and today's episode marks the end of our "best of" series for this year! This list includes interviews that really stuck with me and some others that you guys had tons of feedback and thoughts on … including this one! “What’s the Matter With America’s Food?” originally aired September 26, 2025. If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at PlainEnglish...

Feb 03, 202653 minSeason 5Ep. 5

Plain English BEST OF: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst

Throughout December and January, we’re going to be re-airing some of our favorite episodes of the past year and beyond. This list includes interviews that really stuck with me and some others that you guys had tons of feedback and thoughts on … including this one! “This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst” originally aired September 23, 2025. If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at PlainEnglish@Spotify.com . Host: Derek Thompson Guest: Paul Kedrosky Producer: ...

Jan 27, 20261 hrSeason 5Ep. 4

Plain English BEST OF: The Healthiest "Super-Agers" Have One Thing in Common, According to a 25-Year Study

Throughout December and January, we’re going to be re-airing some of our favorite episodes of the past year and beyond. This list includes interviews that really stuck with me and some others that you guys had tons of feedback and thoughts on … including this one! “The Healthiest "Super-Agers" Have One Thing in Common, According to a 25-Year Study” originally aired August 27th, 2025. If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at PlainEnglish@Spotify.com . Host: D...

Jan 20, 202642 minSeason 5Ep. 3

Plain English BEST OF: The Modern World Is Changing America’s Personality for the Worse

Throughout December and January, we’re going to be re-airing some of our favorite episodes of the past year and beyond. This list includes interviews that really stuck with me and some others that you guys had tons of feedback and thoughts on … including this one! “The Modern World Is Changing America’s Personality for the Worse” originally aired August 13, 2025. If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at PlainEnglish@Spotify.com . Host: Derek Thompson Guest: ...

Jan 13, 202647 minSeason 5Ep. 2

Plain English BEST OF: If GLP-1 Drugs Are Good for Everything, Should We All Be on Them?

Throughout December and January, we’re going to be re-airing some of our favorite episodes of the past year and beyond. This list includes interviews that really stuck with me and some others that you guys had tons of feedback and thoughts on … including this one! “If GLP-1 Drugs Are Good for Everything, Should We All Be on Them?” originally aired September 16, 2025.If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at PlainEnglish@Spotify.com . Host: Derek Thompson Gues...

Jan 06, 202654 minSeason 5Ep. 1

Plain English BEST OF: What Experts Really Think About Smartphones and Mental Health

Throughout December and January, we’re going to be re-airing some of our favorite episodes of the past year and beyond. This list includes interviews that really stuck with me and some others that you guys had tons of feedback and thoughts on … including this one! “What Experts Really Think About Smartphones and Mental Health” originally aired June 4th, 2025. If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at PlainEnglish@Spotify.com . Host: Derek Thompson Guest: Jay ...

Dec 30, 20251 hr 7 minSeason 4Ep. 81

Plain English BEST OF: How Gen Z Sees the World

Throughout December and January, we’re going to be re-airing some of our favorite episodes of the past year and beyond. This list includes interviews that really stuck with me and some others that you guys had tons of feedback and thoughts on … including this one! “How Gen Z Sees the World” originally aired March 12, 2025. If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at PlainEnglish@Spotify.com . Host: Derek Thompson Guest: Kyla Scanlon Producer: Devon Baroldi Lear...

Dec 23, 202558 minSeason 4Ep. 80

Plain English BEST OF: A Grand, Unified Theory of Why Americans Are So Unhealthy

Throughout December and January, we’re going to be re-airing some of our favorite episodes of the past year and beyond. This list includes interviews that really stuck with me and some others that you guys had tons of feedback and thoughts on … including this one! “A Grand, Unified Theory of Why Americans Are So Unhealthy” originally aired June 18, 2025. If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at PlainEnglish@Spotify.com . Host: Derek Thompson Guests: David Ke...

Dec 16, 202539 minSeason 4Ep. 79

Plain English BEST OF: The Antisocial Century

Throughout December and January, we’re going to be re-airing some of our favorite episodes of the past year and beyond. This list includes interviews that really stuck with me and some others that you guys had tons of feedback and thoughts on … including this one! “The Antisocial Century” originally aired January 10, 2025. If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at PlainEnglish@Spotify.com . Host: Derek Thompson Guest: Nick Epley Producer: Devon Baroldi Learn ...

Dec 09, 20251 hr 8 minSeason 4Ep. 78

Plain English BEST OF: How to Be Happy and the Science of Cognitive Time Travel

Throughout December and January, we’re going to be re-airing some of our favorite episodes of the past year and beyond. This list includes interviews that really stuck with me and some others that you guys had tons of feedback and thoughts on … including this one! “How to Be Happy and the Science of Cognitive Time Travel” originally aired August 9, 2024. If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at PlainEnglish@Spotify.com . Host: Derek Thompson Guest: Laurie Sa...

Dec 02, 20251 hr 6 minSeason 4Ep. 77

A Grand Unified Theory of Cultural Stagnation

One of my favorite theories about the modern world is the idea that culture is "stuck." Whether the decline of ornamentation in modern architecture, or the fact that every corporate logo looks the same now, or the fact that Gen Z's favorite television was all made in the 1990s and 2000s, or the sequel fetish in Hollywood, or the theory that old music is eating new music on Spotify, the evidence of cultural stagnation abounds. But is there one grand theory that explains all of it? The psychologis...

Nov 25, 202559 minSeason 4Ep. 76

The American Math Crisis

The University of California San Diego is one of the best public colleges in America. So it was fairly shocking when the school released a report on the steep decline in academic preparedness of its freshman. The number of incoming students in need of remedial math has surged in the past few years. These students did not fail high school math. Many of them got straight A's. Other colleges have seen similar trends: declining mathematical ability from students who aced their high school tests. I t...

Nov 21, 202554 minSeason 4Ep. 75

How Superintelligent AI Could Upend Work and Politics

Many AI experts believe that some time in the next few years, we will build something close to artificial general intelligence (AGI), a system that can do nearly all valuable cognitive work as well as or better than humans. What happens to jobs, wages, prices, and politics in that world? To explore that question, Derek is joined by Anton Korinek, an economist at the University of Virginia and one of the leading thinkers on the economics of transformative AI. Before he focused on superintelligenc...

Nov 18, 202559 minSeason 4Ep. 74

Everything Is Television

Sometimes, the perfect guest to discuss your own writing is ... you. On this special crossover episode, I am interviewed by Ben Smith and Max Tani of Semafor's Mixed Signals podcast about my recent essay, "Everything Is Television." During our conversation, which you can also find on the Mixed Signals feed, we discuss TV, politics, the definition of charisma, and much more. If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at PlainEnglish@Spotify.com . Hosts: Ben Smith ...

Nov 14, 202557 minSeason 4Ep. 73

Are Young People Screwed?

Youth unemployment is rising. Hiring is freezing up. The housing market is a mess. How did things get so bad for young people in the economy? And are things as bad as they seem? Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson of the Animal Spirits podcast join the show to discuss. If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at PlainEnglish@Spotify.com. Host: Derek Thompson Guests: Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson Producers: Devon Baroldi Links: Is this the scariest chart in the wo...

Nov 12, 202553 minSeason 4Ep. 72

The Democrats Have a New Winning Formula

This week was a straight flush for Democrats. Zohran Mamdani completed his heroic arc to become mayor of the world’s most important city. Democrats ran up huge margins in the big governor races in Virginia and New Jersey, where Abigail Spanberger and Mikie Sherrill, respectively, won by double digits. What unified the three victories was the Democratic candidate’s ability to turn the affordability curse against the sitting president, transforming Republicans’ 2024 advantage into a 2025 albatross...

Nov 07, 20251 hr 1 minSeason 4Ep. 71

How the American Revolution Changed the World, With Ken Burns

Ken Burns—the award-winning filmmaker whose documentary films and television series on American history include 'The Civil War' (1990), 'Baseball' (1994), 'Jazz' (2001), and 'Country Music' (2019)—joins the show to talk about the American Revolution and the art of storytelling. If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at PlainEnglish@Spotify.com. Host: Derek Thompson Guest: Ken Burns Producers: Devon Baroldi Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoice...

Nov 04, 202559 minSeason 4Ep. 70

The Problem With Sports Gambling

Last week, an FBI investigation into gambling led to the arrest of several prominent basketball stars, raising questions about the state of legalized sports betting, which has enriched professional sports and sports media. The problems with sports gambling extend far beyond the integrity of the game. A 2024 working paper from economists at UCLA, Harvard, and USC found that states that legalized sports gambling after the 2018 ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court saw “a substantial increase in average...

Oct 31, 202555 minSeason 4Ep. 69

Michael Lewis on How the Global Financial Crisis Explains Trump, Crypto, and Everything Else

Bestselling author Michael Lewis joins the show to talk about how bubbles happen, the legacy of 'The Big Short' and the global financial crisis, 'Moneyball' and how the data analytics revolution conquered sports and entertainment, the difference between being a good investor and being a good investigative journalist, and the craft of writing. Listen to the new audiobook of Michael's hit 'The Big Short' ⁠HERE⁠ ! If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at PlainE...

Oct 28, 20251 hr 12 minSeason 4Ep. 68

What Happens When AI Learns to Do Our Jobs

Today’s guest is Ethan Mollick. Ethan is a professor of management at Wharton, where he specializes in entrepreneurship and innovation. He is the author of the book 'Co-Intelligence: Living and Working With AI,' and his Substack, One Useful Thing, is the single most useful guide I have ever found to make sense of these tools and use them productively. But he’s also a deep thinker of the Alfred Chandler school of big ideas who wants to not only help individuals use the technology more efficiently...

Oct 24, 202554 minSeason 4Ep. 67

Can "Touch-Grass Populism" Save America?

By some measures, the Democratic Party has never been so unpopular as a political brand. While this fact obviously reflects some difficult realities for the party, it also creates an opportunity for Democrats to redefine what the party stands for. Derek talks to Massachusetts Congressman Jake Auchincloss about his idea for a digital dopamine tax, the art of politics in an attention economy, why moderate Democrats don't have big bold ideas, Derek's two-party theory for political success in Americ...

Oct 21, 20251 hrSeason 4Ep. 66

Everybody Thinks AI Is a Bubble. What If They’re Wrong?

Two weeks ago, in one of our most popular podcasts of the year, the investor and author Paul Kedrosky explained why he thinks AI is a bubble. In the last few days, practically everybody seems to agree. I hate this. I don’t like feeling like my position is the same position as everybody else’s. Conventional wisdoms are often more conventional than wise, and I’ve started to wonder: Is there a bubble of people calling AI a bubble? Today’s guest says yes. Azeem Azhar is an investor and the author of...

Oct 17, 202552 minSeason 4Ep. 65

The Future of Entertainment, Part 2: What’s the Matter With Broadway?

In the second episode of our two-part miniseries on the future of entertainment, Derek goes from Hollywood to NYC to understand why Broadway musicals are in trouble. "With the cost of staging song-and-dance spectacles skyrocketing and audiences drawn to older hits, none of the musicals that opened last season have made a profit," The New York Times recently reported. John Johnson, a major theater producer behind hits like 'Stereophonic' (the most Tony-nominated play in Broadway history) and Geor...

Oct 14, 202547 minSeason 4Ep. 64
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