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Plain English with Derek Thompson

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Longtime Atlantic tech, culture and political writer Derek Thompson cuts through all the noise surrounding the big questions and headlines that matter to you in his new podcast Plain English. Watch Derek and guests engage the news with clear viewpoints and memorable takeaways. New episodes drop every Tuesday and Friday, and if you've got a topic you want discussed, shoot us an email at plainenglish@spotify.com! Subscribe to our YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@PlainEnglishwithDerekThompson
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Episodes

The Donald Trump Corruption Scandal Draft

What is Donald Trump good at? In his second administration, he promised lower prices, stronger manufacturing, and an end to foreign conflicts. Instead, inflation has risen, blue-collar job growth has slowed, and the U.S. finds itself involved in another war in the Middle East. But there is one area where Trump has undeniably succeeded: increasing the wealth of the Trump family. Even as his approval ratings have fallen, Trump and his businesses have reportedly received billions of dollars in new ...

Jun 19, 20261 hr 8 min

The Most Exciting Month of Medical Breakthroughs in Years

For years, scientists worried that medical progress was slowing down. Drug development became more expensive than ever with more complex clinical trials, and even then, many new treatments offered only modest gains. But over the past month, a series of breakthroughs has raised hopes that medicine may be entering a new era. Researchers unveiled a massively promising new therapy for pancreatic cancer, a gene-editing treatment that could dramatically reduce the risk of heart disease, and an experim...

Jun 16, 202659 min

Old-igarchy: How the Elderly Conquered American Power

Prior to the 1930s, old age in America often meant poverty. But thanks to Social Security, Medicare, medical advances, and rising asset prices, over the past 90 years, older Americans have become one of the wealthiest and most politically powerful groups in the country. In his new book, 'Gerontocracy in America,' Samuel Moyn argues that this success has created a dangerous imbalance. He says America isn't just facing oligarchy, or rule by the rich, but "Old-igarchy": a system in which wealth and...

Jun 12, 20261 hr 2 min

How Modern Fatherhood Is Changing Men’s Brains

Humans are unusual dads. Across the animal kingdom, dads are often absent from child-rearing altogether. But among humans, fatherhood takes many forms, and in the last half century, it has changed dramatically. College-educated American fathers now spend nearly four times as much time caring for their children as they did in the 1960s. And according to new research, this new type of fatherhood doesn't just change a man's schedule or priorities—it can literally change his brain. Today, Derek talk...

Jun 09, 20261 hr 4 min

What 400,000 Essays Reveal About AI and Creativity

For generations, we've defined creativity by its products: the novel, the painting, the song, the breakthrough idea. We look at the work, and from the work we see the creator as “creative.” But AI is getting remarkably good at producing creative work. In some cases, experts now prefer AI-generated writing to work created by humans and can't reliably tell the difference between the two. In fact, a major literary prize even recently honored a work that was largely written by AI. It all raises a de...

Jun 05, 202656 min

The Surprising Truth About America's Friendship Crisis

Modern loneliness is often treated as a simple problem: People are simply spending more time alone. But what if that's not the whole story? Over the last several years, Derek has written about workism, the rise of a culture that puts work at the center of our lives, and the "antisocial century," in which technology has made it easier than ever to avoid spending time with other people. The result is a world where many of us trade deep connection for convenience, productivity, and fleeting hits of...

Jun 02, 202659 min

Why the NBA Feels Broken—and Why the League Can’t Fix It

The NBA’s vibes have been unusually awful recently. There has been widespread hand-wringing about the homogenization of modern offenses and the league’s notoriously weak regular-season TV ratings. A tanking crisis saw about a third of teams purposely try to lose games in a race to secure the top pick in the 2026 draft. A barrage of gambling scandals took out a head coach and several players. And the playoffs have brought relentless complaining from fans about foul-baiting and flopping, tactics t...

May 29, 202658 min

The Men Who Think Toxic Feminism Destroyed America

Over the past century, attitudes about gender roles have become one of the clearest dividing lines in the country. Many Republicans, both men and women, say men are getting a raw deal in modern America. Many Democrats see that claim as completely off base. So where does that split come from, and why has it become so central to politics? Journalist Helen Lewis calls this emerging worldview “masculinism,” an ideology that pushes back against feminism and reflects a broader nostalgia for traditiona...

May 22, 202659 min

Does Anybody Know How to Solve an American Debt Crisis?

Derek Thompson and economist Justin Wolfers discuss the evolving national debt debate, highlighting how both spending and an aversion to taxation contribute to America's growing deficits. They explain basic budget mechanics, distinguish between beneficial and dangerous debt, and explore the political hurdles in implementing solutions like spending cuts or tax increases. The episode also examines what a debt crisis might entail and lessons from other countries, concluding that fundamental political reform and greater economic literacy are essential.

May 19, 20261 hr 2 min

The Global Fertility Crisis Is Worse Than You Think

Fertility rates are collapsing around the world. In rich countries and poor ones, in secular societies and religious ones, people are having fewer children than ever before. Some explanations focus on economic factors like housing costs, childcare costs, and student debt. Others point to a harder-to-measure, broader sense of uncertainty about the future. At the same time, economist Jesús Fernández-Villaverde thinks we are underestimating how big a deal this really is. In his view, only two force...

May 15, 20261 hr 1 min

The Case Against the AI Job Apocalypse

This episode explores why fears of a widespread AI job apocalypse may be overblown, contrasting common anxieties with economic realities and historical evidence. Economist Alex Imas explains that while AI automates tasks, principles like the lump of labor fallacy and Jevons Paradox indicate new jobs and increased demand for human-centric work will emerge. The discussion delves into the "relational element" of jobs, the role of scarcity in valuing human-made products, and the paradoxical future where high-tech advancements may amplify the demand for genuine human connection.

May 12, 202654 min

Why American Happiness Just Fell Off a Cliff

America is richer than ever. Unemployment is low. Wages are high. According to traditional metrics, the economy looks strong. So why are Americans feeling so bad? Today, Derek talks with bestselling author Morgan Housel and journalist David Wallace-Wells about what Derek calls the “Tragic Twenties”: the strange and sudden collapse in American happiness that began during COVID and never really stopped. What's behind the country’s emotional downturn? Inflation and the lingering psychological effec...

May 08, 20261 hr 1 min

One of the Deadliest Cancers in America May Have Met Its Match

Hard to detect and almost impossible to treat, pancreatic cancer has long been one of medicine’s most ruthless killers. For decades, it’s been the cancer that science couldn’t crack. But that might be starting to change. Recently, cancer researchers have announced a series of breakthroughs that, taken together, sound almost too good to be true: a drug that targets the “undruggable” gene behind most pancreatic tumors, a personalized mRNA vaccine that teaches the immune system to recognize pancrea...

May 05, 202645 min

Why Too Much Freedom Is the Enemy of Success

Freedom is one of the few ideas everyone agrees on. Surely more choice and autonomy is a good thing, right? But what if our endless pursuit of freedom is actually making us more anxious, less creative, and holding us back from reaching our full potential? Today, Derek Thompson talks with bestselling author David Epstein about the surprising upside of constraints. After arguing for breadth in 'Range,' Epstein’s new book, 'Inside the Box,' makes the opposite case: that limits and rules can actuall...

May 01, 202650 min

Why the Iran War Is Tearing MAGA Apart

Derek Thompson and Ross Douthat delve into the unprecedented challenges to Trump's resilient popularity, particularly how the Iran War has exposed deep internal divisions within the Republican Party. They discuss the tensions between the GOP's isolationist and interventionist wings, the conflict between Christian voters and a "pagan" leader, and the divide between MAGA and "Make America Healthy Again" groups, examining how these contradictions threaten to reshape the future of the conservative movement.

Apr 28, 202658 min

The Triple Crisis That’s Breaking Hollywood—and Changing the Future of Movies

Hollywood is in the middle of a triple crisis. You can measure it in tickets, jobs, and ideas. Start with tickets. The best year for the movie business this century was 2002, when Americans and Canadians bought 1.6 billion tickets, or about five per person. Last year, Americans bought half that number. Eighty years ago, the typical American went to the movies twice a month. Now they go about twice a year. Then there are the jobs. Studios are making fewer movies and shows than they did just a few...

Apr 24, 20261 hr 11 min

The Most Powerful and Dangerous AI Model Yet

Two weeks ago, Anthropic announced an AI model so capable and so dangerous that it decided not to release it to the public. The model, codenamed Mythos, could autonomously infiltrate computer systems around the world, exploit security vulnerabilities, conceal its own reasoning, and fabricate false explanations for what it was doing. Anthropic instead shared it with a small consortium of companies to help them find their own cybersecurity flaws. You could be forgiven for some skepticism. Is this ...

Apr 21, 20261 hr 2 min

The Whole World Is Fighting About Energy

The two biggest stories in the world right now—the war involving Iran and the rise of artificial intelligence—are, at their core, the same story: energy. The Iran conflict has become a war of competing energy blockades, with Iran squeezing American allies and America squeezing Iran. And AI is its own energy arms race, with tech companies scrambling not just for customers but for supply—chips, electricity, and data center capacity. What does it mean when every major story leads back to energy? De...

Apr 14, 20261 hr 4 min

‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

Derek Thompson and Rogé Karma discuss the perplexing struggles of young college graduates in today's labor market, characterized by historically high unemployment for this group and pervasive pessimism. They examine "The Big Freeze" of hiring, the contentious role of AI, and the impact of a constantly uncertain economic and political landscape. The conversation also explores how demographic shifts, particularly older workers staying longer, and the nuanced interpretation of economic statistics versus "vibes" contribute to the unique challenges faced by young people today.

Apr 10, 20261 hr 7 min

America's Religious Revival Is a Mirage

Perhaps you’ve heard the news: The U.S. is experiencing a religious revival, and it’s concentrated among young people, who are flocking back to the fold. The Economist announced that “the West has stopped losing its religion.” The Washington Post declared that “Catholicism is drawing in Gen Z men.” This is shocking news. Since the 1990s, the share of Americans who say they have no religious affiliation has been skyrocketing. A reversal would be historic. But today’s guest, Ryan Burge, tells us t...

Apr 08, 20261 hr 9 min

Is China the Winner of the Iran War?

The 1970s oil crisis changed the world in ways that many people forget today, from the transformation of American politics to the rise of the Japanese electronics industry. The Iran war of 2026 could have similarly global consequences, from the rise of China to changes in the future of war to the acceleration of the global renewables transition. Today, Australian investor and writer Alex Turnbull joins the show to discuss the most important and most surprising second-order effects of the war. Su...

Apr 03, 202652 min

Why We're Addicted to ‘Sh*tty Flow’

One of the themes we’ve circled in the last few weeks is the way that the modern world can hijack our values. This principle was recently articulated by the philosopher C. Thi Nguyen in an episode called "How Metrics Make Us Miserable." Thi told us that he became a philosopher to answer the biggest questions in life but discovered, in grad school, that everybody around him mostly cared about numbers. Journals were ranked by status: numbers. The university departments were ranked by status: more ...

Mar 31, 202649 min

Anthropic Thinks AI Might Destroy the Economy. It's Building It Anyway.

In this interview, Anthropic co-founder Jack Clark addresses the rapid growth of his AI company and the inherent tension between its transformative power and potential dangers, which he likens to nuclear weapons. He elaborates on the company's strategy of transparency regarding AI's impact on employment, and explores why public sentiment toward AI varies globally. Clark also delves into the capabilities of AI agents, future work models, and the crucial role of human creativity and idleness in the path toward true artificial general intelligence, concluding with Anthropic's commitment to global AI safety.

Mar 27, 20261 hr 3 min

America's Tax System Is Broken

If you're a typical worker with a salary, you have almost no control over how much tax you owe. But if you own a company worth billions of dollars, the income tax is, in the words of my guest today, "largely optional." Countries around the world struggle to get billionaires to pay a higher tax rate than middle-income families. Gabriel Zucman is one of the world's leading experts on tax inequality, the economist who first rigorously measured what U.S. billionaires actually pay—and he found that i...

Mar 24, 20261 hr 5 min

The Casino-ification of America

In 2017, Americans legally bet about $5 billion on sports. Last year, that number rose to $160 billion. Gambling hasn’t just taken over sports. It’s invaded culture, politics, and even international warfare. Bettors have already made millions of dollars wagering on the precise dates and locations of bombing campaigns in Iran, and journalists have been hounded for reporting on events that can lose bettors money. It’s one thing to believe, as I do, that it would be foolish to entirely ban sports g...

Mar 20, 20261 hr 12 min

"Yes, AI Is a Bubble. There Is No Question."

Paul Kedrosky returns to argue that AI represents one of history's largest CapEx bubbles, akin to railroads or fiber optics, despite its transformative potential. Derek Thompson initially agreed but now questions his stance, citing rapid AI agent adoption and revenue growth. They explore market shifts, the 'SaaS-pocalypse,' chip longevity, and the true drivers of recent productivity gains, ultimately debating where value will flow as the buildout progresses.

Mar 17, 20261 hr 10 min

The Pill That Works Even When You Know It's Fake

Why do placebo effects work, even when patients know that they're taking a sugar pill? How do "nocebo" effects work, and why do some people hold onto beliefs that they suspect might bring them pain and suffering? What do the major world religions have to teach secular athletes and workers about the power of belief, and what does the psychological research tell us about the benefits of prayer, even for those who don't believe in God? Nir Eyal, bestselling author of the new book Beyond Belief , jo...

Mar 13, 20261 hr 12 min

The Economic Crisis of the Iran War Goes Far Beyond Oil

The Strait of Hormuz is the tiny bottleneck that could destabilize the global economy. As a critical passageway for crude oil, natural gas, and critical inputs for fertilizer, computer chips, and plastic, this small stretch of water is a tiny chokepoint for global trade, and the war in Iran has all but shut it down. What does this mean for the U.S. economy and other countries around the world? Geopolitical analyst Rachel Ziemba joins the show to discuss. Subscribe to our YouTube channel here: ht...

Mar 10, 202656 min

"American Democracy as We Know It Might Not Survive This Technology"

What happens when the two biggest stories in the world—the Trump White House and the development of advanced artificial intelligence—collide? Well, nothing good, apparently. When contract negotiations broke down between the Pentagon and Anthropic, a leading AI lab, the Department of War took the extraordinary step of labeling Anthropic a "supply chain risk," a designation typically reserved for Chinese companies suspected of spying on American technology. It’s not just liberals like me that foun...

Mar 09, 20261 hr 4 min

Trump Is Doubling Down on Iran. How Should Democrats Respond?

Donald Trump’s polling has continued to edge down week after week. And yet approval of the Democratic Party is still stuck near its all-time low, according to Gallup and other surveys. One interpretation of these polls is that the deep unpopularity of the party is an albatross around the neck of Democratic candidates. But there’s another interpretation that I think is more interesting—and perhaps more true. The fact that the party has no clearly defined national leader, and no clearly defined “b...

Mar 06, 202642 minSeason 5Ep. 13
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