The Pixel 10 countdown begins

so we've had official confirmation official official confirmation yes of made by google 20th of august I don't know. I don't know if I'm excited. I don't know how I feel, actually. How do you guys feel right now? It's... I don't know. The mood is... There's a finally, obviously, that we know the date. Officially, I could say.

uh august 20th so a week later than last year but it's of course much earlier than pre previous week previous years where it was october like the earliest was like early like late september so back to that it's given now since how the android release schedule is going earlier so set in stone but

i don't know it's a big finally the hint it's uh the invite itself was a bit on the vague side just said made by google with google's uh saying you'll get the latest on our phones watches and buds obligatory AI mention but yeah it's it's it's it's official yeah I don't know I'm I'm It's a weird thing to get excited about because, you know, usually this kind of feels like the...

you know, final hill to cross over before we really start seeing both both real leaks and then actual teasers as to what's to come. I do kind of feel like with this launch, it's like because all of the leaks so far have shown like. Oh, we're, you know, we're looking at fairly similar devices as compared to last year. It's a little more difficult to feel like, like if you've used a Pixel 9 at all, it's a little.

more challenging to feel like, yeah, I'm so hyped for this device that is very similar to the one I'm either currently using or have used or. Which which I think does point to probably like a AI centric and software centric release. And those are the things that tend to not leak as much. You know, like we do we get some.

you know, inklings here and there. But like, if you think back to a year ago, we did not know everything Google was going to announce for the Pixel 9 series in terms of software. Like, I don't remember leaks about like add me. For example, maybe there were, but I, you know, I don't, they didn't sit in my brain in the same way that like a hardware leak does.

And so like maybe that actually maybe I'm talking myself into thinking this is going to be a more exciting launch than I expect because it's like I know the hardware is going to be similar. So what else do they have to show off that, you know. Other than the fact that you have to do an announcement or whatever, an event, what is the purpose for this event? And so, yeah, I don't know. I'm looking for it. I think I've talked to myself in the last...

90 seconds into being excited. I was thinking the same. I was like, is this how iPhone people feel when the iOS and I, um, uh, what do they call their event? I don't even know. Whatever Apple calls their launch events. It feels like. we're in the same frame of mind. Like it's going to be the same device. Like we know most of it is going to be pretty much the same. We're going to get all of the same sort of things. And then I guess...

I mean, I'm definitely biased. I think Google will have more to show off in terms of the software than Apple can potentially do. And we've seen that over the past couple of years. It's a strange one, right? Because we have... and I'm just looking at it now, we have potentially what, Pixel 10, Pixel 10 Pro, Pixel 10 Pro Excel, Pixel 10 Pro Fold, and then a mention of earbuds, like, and watch, so there's what, six?

six devices there have i done my maths right there i don't even know if we've done it correctly if there's six devices there's six devices i think the biggest thing though that people want to know about

I think the enthusiast lineup of people will say 10 to G5. Like the hardware doesn't matter now. We just want a really good chipset. And if that's not going to be the huge upgrade, then maybe we're even more looking at it and trying to find ways to be intrigued by the hardware. There's got to be software, right? It has to be. It's interesting because, you know.

Google has never been one to get up on stage and promote the specs of the Pixel series. And I expect that to be even more true this year. They can't get up on stage and be like, introducing Tensor G5.

No, this is the one year they could be fair. Are they going to want to acknowledge that the fanfare or the fan reaction around Tensor has been... fairly lackluster since 2021 they'll never acknowledge it but it's if they want to talk well okay there is some precedent for them going all out on chips but that's on the google cloud side on the server side with the yeah tpus they so there is some precedent for that for google to be go in on the specs and feeds so

I think they should. I feel like the first four years, they haven't had any reason to. But I feel like now that everything's in-house. presumably everything all the development they have all their ducks in a row i feel like this is the year they should start Because they obviously have an enthusiast audience and that obviously plays well to that crowd. So I think they should embrace it in terms of...

If we're having a wish list of what we want Google to do. Are we expecting Tensor G5 to be a Snapdragon 8 Elite class chip? Or are we just expecting it to be, you know, developed in-house? made by TSMC, but not necessarily a massive leap in raw performance over its predecessors, which is what I reading the tea leaves is how I felt about Tensor G5 is that like.

I think, you know, TSMC has proven itself to be able to make a much more efficient chipset than Samsung. But I still think Google's going to want to focus on AI and just like... all around general as opposed to the chip that allows uh to do again again i'm i'm a bit on-device ai i don't think it's there yet in terms of i don't think compared to what's happening in the cloud i don't think in that how the power is there yet on on device um i think

Google of all the companies goo it's up to Google right now to show what it can do on device uh which we'll talk about in a bit with pixel sense and whatnot but it's i think they have to start somewhere is where but basically my point and pixel screenshots last year was start it hasn't taken the world by storm i don't think i won't have a bad word said against pixel screenshots yeah it is fantastic it's a great application but it's just like i could i would be

perfectly fine with it without the ai features like yeah i get what you're saying i get what you're saying i think you kind of stole the question i was going to ask you both of you more broadly will is that If they reach a level of performance where it's like, what would be the best way to describe it? Performant enough that it can potentially be in the mix with...

maybe last year's top-tier phones, which I think is absolutely fine. That would be the dream, I think, if... tensor g5 is it say snapdragon 8 gen 3 level yeah and again we'll complain about qualcomm's naming convention as well it's g4 and g5 it makes sense um do you think do you think if they do that and they get that Google is going to then almost... I don't want to say...

Be a bit disrespectful to the partnership with Samsung and Samsung Foundry with its previous tensors. Are they going to go all in and say, hey, TSMC have taken control of this kind of situation? Do you think they just completely silence it? I don't think they do. it's it's too i think the key is talking about efficiency like showing how much yeah i think more battery life etc etc and the and ai stuff i think you read between the lines right yeah i don't know

Does that then throw shade at Samsung inadvertently? I think whatever they do, it's not going to look good, right? I know the conversation is going to be bad. Yeah, that was my broader point, I think, which is that like... I don't think there's any way to not throw a little bit of shade at Samsung. But if you are going to talk about Tensor G5 in any detail, if all of if many of the improvements are coming from either.

moving chipset development in-house or or the switch to TSMC both of those point a finger at Samsung that I think is is even if it's unspoken will be there you know

And then that change, I think, again, that changes dynamic because obviously Samsung are almost in bed with Google on so many things. And last year at the Pixel, this is why I'm, the reason why I kind of asked is last year at the... made by google which is always the strangest time to see other devices they had a s24 on stage and we're demoing some

Do you think they might do that again this year? But then is that an olive branch to Samsung or is that just Google saying, hey, it's ubiquitous. We can use Gemini anywhere. It doesn't matter what it is. It's the obligatory Android mansion. Yeah.

organization now so they have to start with android they have to give every everybody in the ecosystem something so that's why it is that i i do wonder if if the other thing is that you know We've seen reports that Samsung was kind of shaken by the fact that Google switched away from Samsung foundries to TSMC foundries, which. I wonder if that gives Google kind of permission to, you know, because of how poorly we've heard about Sam, like about Samsung foundries performing like that there.

You know, yield results are like 50 percent in some cases, right? Like one in two chipsets are not up to snuff. That's a problem. And I do wonder if there is a certain level of like, look. guys we stuck it out like we have to go somewhere else for this this is not like a personal thing like it's it's a get your get your ducks in a row type thing for samsung and i do wonder if maybe like

like higher level Samsung brass above their foundry business are like due to a certain extent are probably more frustrated with their foundry business than Google being like, we got to go somewhere else. I'm sorry. No, I agree with you. I think that probably is a really good point. False speculation, obviously, but that's my read on how that reporting was coming out. So I guess, well, you kind of answered my question.

I thought that, I just wanted to ask it more broadly because you kind of mull over these things. It seems like that end of the Exynos Tensor era, as it were, and then we have this potentially new start point for Tensor again, which I think is a good thing. I think sometimes... With Pixel in general, I feel like there's been a lot of false starts, false dawns.

And this last year has been almost like consolidation of like, we have a product now that we can potentially push out there to the rest of the world and people will take it and they enjoy it. I do wonder if that, obviously the lack of design changes.

I'm really interested to see what the fallout from that is. I don't... personally have a problem with it because we've seen so much like I mean go look at the Pixel 6 through to the Pixel 9 like yes they're part of the same family but they are very very different devices by now right the software is melding everything together I do wonder what we're going to see in terms of terms of like audience response. I know there's a lot of people who are potentially looking to upgrade.

i don't know i don't know if anyone's going to be upgrading from the pixel 9 i think that might be quite silly in terms of financials but yeah what do you think in terms of like the upgrade path for people there are of course people that buy new phones every single year and i think

google's biggest pitch to them is improved build quality um that the button that just bet the tolerance is better all that all around yeah But again, we'll talk about this next, but it has to be software. That has to be the pitch. But otherwise, the hardware looking the same is...

They didn't learn their lesson on colors. The 9 Pro looks to have stayed colors. The 9 looks to have better, sorry, the 10. The base phone looks to have better colors. They didn't learn their lesson there, which is unfortunate. I guess the pixel snap magnetic Qi charging accessories, if presumably that only works for the 10, I think that could be a big draw to people too. a real upgrade cycle for the accessories that they have in the car at home at the desk etc

I, uh, well, I didn't even think about pixel snap. I want to, I just want to read the room real quick and then I'll, I'll make my last point about and we can move on. But, but, um, do you guys, do you guys think it's built into the phone or do you guys think that like every pixel snap slash.

G2 accessory requires a case. What do we think? I hope it isn't the case. I hope it isn't the case again. I think obviously you can get third party ones that do it with the existing lineups. I just think it would be a... a really big missed opportunity if they didn't put it in the phone. I agree. If you're going to give it a brand, you gotta ship it. You gotta make it so that when I take that thing out of the box...

I have access to the Pixel Snap ecosystem without having to buy a case. Most people have cases. I know. I know that. Most people buy cases. It's tricky because I under... When I talked to one plus in December about the one plus 13 ahead of its launch, I asked them, you know, why? Why is she to you have this whole like you have like this big wireless charger brick that.

you know, fast charges it, but you need to buy their case or or, you know, a MagSafe case or whatever. But like, realistically, the one plus. magnet case to use it it's like why didn't you just put it in the phone and they're like well most people just put a case on their phone so we didn't see a reason to take up space internal space and it's like okay but like if you want this idea of chi to to catch on i

I still feel like it needs to be in a part of the phone that is like built in at the core. And also when you buy a case, it probably also has the magnetic support. But I feel like. it doesn't feel like it's a real feature if it's not there without an additional accessory. I don't know. That's it. I also say this as someone who primarily doesn't use a case on their phones anymore. So maybe that's.

where I'm coming from in this. You're spoiled. You want your cake in here. I have learned my lesson on this multiple times. Within like a week of getting my OnePlus open, drop that thing right on to cement. And I will be... It didn't... crack or anything but I that corner had a chip in it for the rest of the time I used that phone so yeah but I yeah I heavily agree with you on the idea that

if they come up with this branding and then make it as an optional case specific functionality, which is, which is, I'm even, I feel like I'm spinning it just by saying that out loud. Google can have that one for free. Basically, I think you almost diminish.

The point of it, because other third party manufacturers are already making these magnetic options to add MagSafe to Android devices. Exactly. I get the impression that as soon as Samsung do it, which they will, Samsung will definitely do it. I'm surprised they didn't do it with the S25 this year.

As soon as they do it, everyone else will follow suit, I think, on Android. I do find it weird that no one has done it to this point in time. Not even just like false, just magnets, but I guess that could affect signal. It's still just that one... Oh my God. What's the, what's the company that makes Nokia phones? It's that one HMD phone that has, I was like, I wanted to say HTC and I was like, no, it's a different three letter acronym.

um yeah uh the only the last thing i wanted to say about tensor and damien this is to your point about about upgrade paths i do think there is because we have heard tensor g5 rumors date back to probably pre tensor g3 i want to say like i i feel like we were still in the waning days of the pixel 7 waiting for the pixel 8 when we started to hear reports about the about what google was planning for the

pixel tense chipset i do feel like there's maybe a core group of like enthusiast users that have like kind of built up a level of expectation that cannot be met like i do think that there is unless if google gets on stage and announces anything short of a chipset that is essentially the snapdragon 8 elite

but made by Google, I don't think they're going to be happy. And that's I don't think that's what we're going to get. And so I do worry a little bit that like there is going to be this sense of disappointment brought on on August 20th when, you know. Tensor G5 is like a good evolution for Tensor, but not a complete reinvention of that that series of processors.

Yeah, I think people want a quantum computer in their phones just for the sake of it. But I get, I mean, the upside is that, well, I say the upside. I think the negative is that people see TSMC and expect, oh, it's going to be there. TSMC is the foundry behind this chip. It's going to have comparable performance to the most top-tier chips. I think as long as they're hitting baselines and it's a step above what we get...

All they need to do is just keep making forward steps. And I think eventually they will make a quantum leap. There will be at some point. I'm sure there will. How long people can hold out waiting to buy their next device with this big performance leap? I don't know.

I must admit this is the first year in a while that I genuinely think there is a very big difference between performance on the Pixel 9 and other top tier devices. I think you can see it now. I think a lot of that has to do with the storage personally. Yeah, that's all unquantifiable. But people will be happy about it. I'm sure the general public who...

are looking at a device and don't want an iPhone and want something that's slightly different. I think the biggest draw, like we're going to allude to now is software. And if material through expressive is, is pushed the way that it should be pushed.

as this big evolution, much like the phones are not necessarily major evolutions. I think that can be enough of a visual draw. I think when Material U was first announced, the... consensus online was this is this is genuinely quite a gorgeous looking os yeah material 3 expressive looks it looks and feels fantastic already on a slightly less performant uh pixel 9 like say if they make a small leap and there's

improvements to the pixel 10 i think we have the best foundation possible and i'm excited to see what they do on stage if if um i know you've talked about pixel sense is pixel sense one of those things that's going to be completely

Game-changing for the way we use our phones, do you think? Or is it just going to be one of those side notes, a little bit like the way you've... offhand talked about pixel screenshots abner i'm in that boat on screenshots as well by the way i'm sorry davian now can we cancel this podcast please So I think that's the biggest game-changing thing that Google has, and they've shown off already, is at I.O. when they had Astra controlling your Android phone, making calls for you, opening apps.

getting you to youtube videos all that um i i don't think that's ready yet it's yeah i just I don't think that's ready yet. I would be amazed. I want it to be ready by this August, but I think that's some time.

early next year is when i feel like that's ready like uh when camera uh sharing launched earlier this year in march ish um it's also that's gotta be a an opt-in type thing like a limited beta like they're gonna slow roll how they push that out to people and i wonder if they don't you know that doesn't need to be a part of the pixel 10 launch event because it's not really a pixel 10

experience at launch so why market it when people when we have eyes on us you know what i mean huh that's a good point so like like they can show it off at the developer conference because i think there's a lot more forgiveness for like this is a work in progress we're a year or two away from this but at the you know i've noticed this that that when google does their pixel launches there, you know, with a couple exceptions, right? Like we saw video boost.

on the on the pixel eight right just not as well or sorry no that's actually that's what i was thinking of zoom enhance zoom enhance on the on the pixel oh sorry yeah yeah no sorry my bad my bad pixel uh zoom enhance on the pixel eight just never arrived right that was oh that's a pixel nine thing but largely

speaking they tried to what's that did it came it's on the 8 pro is it on the 8 pro maybe yeah only on the pro only okay but it was but it was a full year later that i think they anticipated and um I do feel like that's that's how Google approaches these is that the pixel, you know, made by Google is a much more consumer focus. Here's what you can get, you know, today or roughly today when you preordered advice as opposed to.

the dev focused IO where it's like, here is our vision for the future. So I totally see I could totally see Astra maybe maybe getting a mention. Right. Maybe getting a like eventually we're doing this, but largely speaking, probably being absent. And then I agree with you, Abner. I think I think a slow beta rollout next next year makes sense.

yeah in the near term there's something called pixel sense magic cues have leaked where essentially um if you're doing something on your phone like somebody asks you

what's your flight number your phone will be gemini presumably gemini will be aware that that question is being asked and that it can work in your email in your gmail for the flight number and offer it as a suggestion presumably in the G board suggestions well um that is can if done well that'd be highly convenient and I could see it giving pixel a genuine differentiator um but it like the again it could be it could be pixel screenshots or it could be the next big thing and it that comes down to

just how well how seamless it is how fast it is and that this is on device ai and how does that feel like in your in your life I don't see myself rejecting the suggestion, if it's right. So that could be a new way. Well, yeah, I, well. The closest approximation I had to that was a few hours ago. I bought something on eBay and I didn't realise it hadn't arrived because I wasn't like, oh, constantly checking where it was. And so...

I wanted, I had to go through search through Gmail to see when I'd ordered it. Cause you know what it's like sometimes you, I mean, we're very spoiled in that we have multiple devices i wasn't logged into ebay on my device and it didn't it only had my my work email account on it so it would mean logging in getting my titan key doing all that so i was like no i'm not going to do that i'm just going to search through gmail on my pc

I went to Gmail and searched for the eBay purchase and I buy a lot of things on eBay by the looks of it. So trying to find that exact purchase to work out which one hadn't arrived was a really frustrating ordeal. If I could have asked, okay, when did I purchase this thing? It would have just taken me straight to it. And then I can put a complaint into the guy on the PC straight into eBay and be like, Hey, why isn't this arrived? It could be useful. I know that's a really, that's.

I guess it's a little bit of an edge case, but little things like that I think would make a difference. Yeah, it's the little things. The big thing with AI is there's no one big... There's no one big example that's shared among people. It's a collection of edge cases. It's a collection of edge cases, a thousand with or more.

of things that people want help in their life and it's like i've said before it's the hardest thing to advertise because you you can't make ads you can't talk about all those examples that could be used in your life you just need to

as a user you just need to embrace it and see how it goes for a few weeks and see if it fits into your lifestyle I'm going to play devil's advocate here because if Gemini is so good, couldn't they technically advertise specifically to everyone based upon their specific needs?

And they could use VO to do it, I'm pretty sure. But I mean, yeah, I mean, the computing power to do that will probably blow up the planet. But I do genuinely think... You sound like me every time I open Google Photos and I've taken a photo that was... that has not been rotated correctly. Like, let's say like, like I snapped a photo of my pixel, but it didn't, it didn't detect the correct orientation of the device. And I'm like, you know, AI was so good.

it should just i should not have to mess with this it should just know that this is this the the text of this image is rotated 90 degrees and fix it that's that it's been my complaint of like like come on man ai so good why can't it do this why and doing this for me already. Definitely for those little tasks. I think that's, yeah, I think that's probably how they can effectively...

It is marketing, right? The launch event is marketing. If they do that at the event and say, hey, here's what you can potentially do with this PixelSense functionality. And I do... To be quite honest with you, I do think Google's quite good at giving you examples. I don't know if it's in the US, but they have a Gemini ad here in the UK where somebody's cooking and they ask that they don't have a specific ingredient and Gemini says, try this one instead. Don't get me wrong.

I'm still not so sure Gemini's giving him the correct information because I haven't checked it. And this is a problem with it. I have to fact check everything. I think if you had... You have a fairly good idea about cooking and you would know that that ingredient would work. You're like, Hey, that's a good example. Like those are the good things I think Google is good at doing. Sorry. And they're marketing for Gemini, whether or not people kind of.

react to it and take it on board is another thing entirely i do think um whether whatever they do with the software i think at the end of the day is selling hardware and people just want to see something shining something new is it better than what i had before and um I do wonder how they're going to also sell it via backporting. Does that make sense? So like who's going to get this?

this functionality with gemini is pixel sensor is going to be exclusive to 10 but then there's going to be some things that eventually drip around the ladder and they can't alienate those gemini potentially customers because some people are paying 20 a month right so They've got this huge balancing act, I think. Someone out there is paying $200 a month. It's not me. The misinformation scammers. But yeah, I don't know. How do you think they're going to do this? Because...

The keynotes, are they given timings for the keynotes yet? So I haven't seen the invite personally, so I don't quantify it. Probably an hour. Okay, well, it's not necessarily a long time, is it? So it's going to be what? 15 minutes of crib notes on what essentially Gemini is going to boil down to wider. And then that specific pixel 10 focus, I think they're going to have to be really, really laser focused once the, um,

once the devices are out there in the wild and people can go out and pre-order and buy them because otherwise it's going to get lost in a deluge what do we think what do we think in other terms of hardware though because obviously we talked a lot of pixel 10 pixel sends how are they going to contribute

towards how Pixel 4, Pixel Watch 4, sorry, is going to differentiate itself on Pixel 3 because Pixel Watch 3, I can't even get the names right. The hardware, we haven't seen anything in the hardware. We know potentially it's going to have the same chipset inside. If anything, that's an even lesser upgrade than the Pixel 10.

We've been using Gemini. Have we all gotten Gemini on our watches yet? Not yet. I have not gotten it yet. I got it the other day. And the fact that it can integrate with apps is like the biggest... it feels so much closer to what's on your phone than ever before and i i know damien you're excited by it when you had some when you use in the galaxy yeah it is I see why Samsung wanted it as the launch

feature on their on their watches but it would have been a great one for Google so now with that out of the way I'm wondering what software on the pixel watch looks like um I don't know fine FindHub app was kind of spotted last year. Maybe that happens this year. The watch is even more so than the phones. It's harder to paint.

ping down what the features are like last year there was a big health focus with the pulse detection thing the running thing was last year too right on the pixel watch yeah it was It's that's if AI is like a niche thing to target as a selling point, I think health is slightly like exercise might be a bit more limited. And in terms of other health features, I don't, nothing obvious comes to mind. Do you think, do you think they might just look at it and say, let's just consolidate what?

our health features are and we will try and increase accuracy and all that kind of thing like a coaching thing that the Apple Watch got this year that could be interesting but it's i don't know like in terms of apps what more battery life improvements yes there's a bump but it's not really two days yet well Well, surely it's not two days yet. I can get the two days pretty easily. It's a harder thing.

Like we're talking about the Pixel phones looking the same between Rassi and this year, and the Pixel Watches look the same in the beginning. My interpretation of it is that I think with... auxiliary accessories like a watch and it's something that's paired to your phone anyway i think you can get and it's not giving google a free pass on any company a free pass i think you can kind of take less risks like the bases are covered you need

potentially two to three day battery life if that's feasible does it does it bridge your notifications does it have a few applications maybe a media player of some kind you can reply to messages I think they probably got the fundamentals down fairly quickly with the Pixel Watch, right, when they reintroduced their own hardware. Like, there are not many companies that have done that.

straight away. Like even Samsung had a lot of problems with their Galaxy Watch lineup when they had Tizen and then they had that kind of rocky road back to Wear OS. I think as long as they consolidate and continue to do what they've done with previous versions.

all three of them, I think people will be pretty happy. I think... And Matteo Tree Expressive, let's not forget that. Yeah, yeah, I think that's going to be a huge thing, right? So if it launches with that, you can't get that... available on the pixel watch three right now as part of any beta phase right so i think that could that could be a a little bit of a selling point i think like you say the fitness element is is going to be huge because while i think that

the fitbit application's fine maybe they have a section and dedicate more to what they're going to do with fitbit app and improve it coach well i mean same thing but coaching like helping you in all aspects of your life that's a harder thing to That would be a useful, that would be a very useful application of AI. Yeah. I think, yeah, the watch is kind of a foregone conclusion. I think people just want the new one. Like they may have some new colors, I guess. Yeah.

Maybe the screen will increase in size again, but yeah, it is what it is, right? It's a very Apple approach to wearables, right? Because like the Apple Watch... you know, unless you really want to count the ultra design, but like the, the, you could look at a series 10. Yeah. It's a series 10 and the first Apple watch from 2015 look virtually identical. And, and, and.

Every time there's been a rumored redesign, an Apple event has come and gone without it. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that necessarily. I know Samsung is obviously... you know, wanted to shake up its design every couple of years or whatever. But I don't think there's anything wrong with approaching these watches as we don't expect anybody to buy these every year. yeah it's definitely no more watches more than phones it's exactly people

It's two years, even more. The upgrade cycle is just different. And it's kind of interesting how that happened, actually, even though, again, watches are even cheaper than the phone. Yeah, that's a good point. You have to spend a lot more money to get to upgrade your phone than the watch. And yet I'm I am much more reluctant to upgrade my wearables that I am my smartphone. Yeah.

Yeah, I was about to say a lot of people tend to do like three and four year cycles by the looks of it. Like I know a lot of people, you can see a lot of people running around with Apple Watch Series 7 on all that. Exactly. I hope there's not very many people out there still using the Pixel Watch 1 in some respects because...

the battery was terrible. But apart from that, it's an absolutely fine piece of kit. I think, yeah, I have, I have mixed emotions towards a Pixel watch because I like the design and I think that, um, yeah maybe the bezel could be a little bit better but overall i do think there are some there are three real wear os options you want the the classy pixel watch you want the rugged

Galaxy Watch. And then right in the middle, I think sits in between them is a OnePlus Watch 3, which I think is fantastic. I think OnePlus, I mean, I could have a full episode glazing OnePlus this year because it's almost like they've...

They've done something. I don't know what they've been doing, Oppo, OnePlus, whatever, but they've knocked it out of the park this year and I think they deserve some credit for that. So yeah, that's my rant over. But in terms of other hardware, we talk about watches.

That goes hand in hand with earbuds. We're probably not going to get Pixel Buds Pro 3 for a while or any over-ears. Audio's a strange one because... Hey, how often do you upgrade your earbuds? Probably not very often. Do you think there's going to be an option for people to potentially upgrade there this time around, Abner, based on previous leaks? So it looks like we're getting a new cover, which is what happened. Like, buds are clearly on a two-year cycle.

uh it looks like we're getting a new color for the pixel buds pro 2 like what happened with the original pixel buds pro at this stage in the life cycle i think the focus is on the 2a cheaper buds which Looking at AirPods, looking at the competition, they really do need something more competitive than the Pixel Buds A series. So earbuds, and I hope there's a lot of Gemini stuff coming with them. Yeah.

do you think that i mean i'm going to give my opinion now actually i think that they with the way that they handled the gemini live rollout for the original pixel buds pro 2 not necessarily the way it probably could have gone it could have been a little bit more seamless maybe a little bit underbaked. I'm hoping that they kind of address that this time around, maybe with the Pixel Buds 2a, but...

I don't know. Is this going to, is it good? Are they going to try and surely they're going to try and shoe home Gemini in there somewhere in some format. and it's i feel like what it's could be this year's pre-order gift if they're even doing that again it's pretty cheap it's pretty it looks like the pixel buds pro 2 might as well be it yeah

Okay, I've got one more final thing about the hardware at this event. What are you, both of you, I want to ask, what's the one product in the entire lineup that you think I will be pre-ordering day one? Because I kind of have one in my mind already. I don't know. Abner, do you want to take this first? I don't know. I'm drawing blacks.

I'm gonna pre-order, I think the base with that 3X teleferno could be huge. I was gonna say, if I'm gonna pre-order anything, yeah, it probably would be the base model because I don't- the the exile i think i've decided is too big and i kind of yeah i don't know i guess i guess i see what a new pixel stand here i think i'm on the accessories front this year with whatever phone that uh that makes sense

The Pixel Stand, the Pixel Stand 2 is chunky. It is too big for what it offers, which is not much. I've stopped using mine entirely, I must admit. It's like a backup wireless charger, which is a little bit sad because it's in the corner of my room. left to its own devices. But it doesn't look nice. So, yeah, I mean, it is what it is. They haven't added any functionality, so maybe we'll get that in the future. But one thing I wanted to kind of discuss, that's...

Basically we'll have what, what have we got? Like six weeks, not even six weeks. I don't even know how many, five weeks, less than five weeks until we've, we, uh,

We tell all and see what we've seen and speak about what we potentially are going to be playing with for the next 12 months or so. One thing I wanted to discuss quickly before we left, though, was the... stealth drop as it were of android canary how do you think that's going to factor into this i think google's even going to mention this at made by google because this is a huge deal right i think it is like

Do we learn anything about Cadence? Are they going to reveal anymore? Is this going to be, hey, we have this canary channel. I'm with Abner. I don't think so. I think this is another thing of like... The divide between I.O. and made by Google like this is this is for hey consumers. Here's what you can buy this holiday season when you upgrade your phone. I.O. is more of the like hey developers and enthusiasts.

Here is what we have, you know, cooking and here's what you can play with. Yeah, I think I think they, you know, unless there is a feature that is locked to Android Canary, like something like.

Astra like oh you can try out Astra if you're on the canary builds or something like I don't think it gets a mention yeah that's why kind of why I alluded to it I think that might be the way that they potentially if they can stuff like yeah yeah i could see that yeah but i mean i don't know but we're probably gonna have some twists and turns until launch i don't think there's much really that we can discuss apart from we've

I think we've covered leaks pretty extensively. Like, um, it's, it is a little bit of a by the numbers affair, which is not something that we ordinarily say about. We haven't mentioned the fold at all.

like we fully just avoided talking about because like we can mention that it sounds like it might be you know the first dustproof foldable which is which is cool from an evolutionary you know perspective but i it's not getting my it's not revving my engines like i'm not like i need to run out and buy it yeah i'm i'm upgrading from the original pixel fold this year to that that's a good upgrade tenfold fold

yeah it is it is i've been tempted by the nine profile all this year yeah but yeah the tempo fold it's well it's I think that holding it in hand versus the Samsung might make it and might really solidify people's opinions. Yeah, I agree. I think that's one... great big roadblock in the way of the pixel 10 profile to be a substantially upgraded uh galaxy 7 full but yeah we will have lots and lots of coverage pre post during

Anything you need to know about Pixel 10. We'll be in New York. It's going to be, it's a long March. What's that? The rest in five weeks. This time in five weeks, we'll know everything. Yeah. Yeah. If we already don't. leaks ahead of time but yeah exactly when the inevitable like august 17th full product spread leaks where it's like a pdf with like 10 pages every year yeah every year 100 100 we

I wish it didn't happen one year, but it kind of, I think we're at the point where it is what it is now. It's a tradition now. It is a tradition. It is definitely a tradition. Just want to say thanks guys for joining me as always. I mean... It may not sound like I'm excited, but I like talking about this stuff. So thanks for even humoring me for the sake of 40, 45 minutes. So yeah, hopefully we're going to get more time to talk about this. And I know that you guys in the US are going to be...

fairly well positioned to go to this event, which I'm very jealous of. So yeah, we will inform you as we, as we always do in every version, every episode of Pixelated. But yeah, thanks for joining me. everybody have a safe and happy prosperous weekend and we'll speak to you soon bye bye