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Fitching at me. Where is his apple sauce? Where is it? Dangerous catheter. He's in a bad mood. Hi, everyone. This is Pivot from New York magazine in the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm Kara Swisher and I'm Scott Galloway. Scott, you can't believe what just happened to me just now. Go ahead. I go to the dentist to get I'm having an implant as you know, because I'm an old person. I'm losing my teeth and they're just checking on it.
You know, they put it in and it hurts a lot. I look I'm in I just want you know, I'm in favor of implants. If you feel better about that kind of I'm sorry. Numbering, go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. A tooth implant. So they put that. I screw a screw into your jaw essentially. But then it hurts like the fucking chickens because well, it's heels, but then it's healing. They want to look at it. So I brought Clara because today public schools have us because it's veterans day.
Dentist looks at her and says how's that tooth doing because she has a dead tooth in the front that she fell on when she was a little kid when they cleaned it out and it's been sitting there looking gray and whatever. Just sits there and he goes, if there's a pimple on her gum, then we have to take it out. And she opens her mouth. There's a pimple on the gum above the tooth. It's an abscess. They pulled the tooth out like seconds later.
And she had to have nitrous oxide, which I'm sure you enjoy. And now she has one not one front tooth. Just suddenly she took it like a champ. I got to tell you, I wouldn't have been freaked the fuck out if I went with my mom just till and I was just hoping to watch smurfs and there you were. Well, just to give you a sense of what a real man, how real man behaves. The first time I had a tooth pulled, I fainted. Why? True story. Why?
Something is like a frat stone. No, it wasn't like, yeah, eat a goldfish and we're pulling it to. No, I was when I was, I think a little bit older than Clare. It's when my first memory is, don't you love how I turn a cute story about Clare into me? I know. That's okay. It's fun. And my father has something called petite mall, which is mild epilepsy. Oh, yes. Seatures. Yeah. I had a stage in my life for a good, probably four or five years where I was fainting a
lot, which by the way is really good for your social cred. Anyways, and that was one of the first times I fanned it on the desk. They pulled like two teeth. The first time I went to the dentist, I think I was eight or not. Well, not even that, maybe 11. My parents went that's sophisticated and I had eight cavities. My first trip to the dentist at eight cavities.
Me too. Same thing. You know why? Guess why? Scott Galloway. We probably didn't have fluoride in the water where we grew up, which was, let's make that political. Let's make that political. I'm just saying this fucking thing, it takes one to take fluoride. It is. And guess then I have like so many cavities too. Same thing. We have bad teeth. I think there's a good, fluoride, NAD testosterone into the water. A little bit of sealus into the water.
Just like, why not? The water supply is here for us. You know, you're not bad to be arrested by the RFK Army, whatever. Fuck that guy. Honestly, I think they're going to dump them. I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, that's my prediction. In any case, Clara, good job. I have to say I, that was just like, well done. And we're going to, the two fairies come in tonight. What's the going rate for the two fairies?
You got a gift. They used to give you stickers and candy and stuff. Yes. Two toys. You got two toys from the toy chest. And I just gave her Gallowayne candy. Anything soft, just eat soft foods today. So I gave her applesauce and Gallowayne candy. So hopefully we'll have more cavities after that. You want them to feel better? Oh, it's like breath. She was breath, but she handled the whole thing well. Oh, I'm deleting Twitter
right now as we speak. I have tweet delete. And I'm trying to delete on, do you have any tweets? I have 171,000. You've tweeted 171,000 times. Either replied or liked. I guess it's all of them. But I downloaded the whole thing. It's a mother of a file, but it takes 17 years to delete all your tweets. I'm deleting 55,000 right now. It's taking 109 years. Well, why I understand. So I'm, I've been on Twitter in two years, but I haven't deleted my tweets. Why are you deleting them? Because we're
going to, we're going to talk about why I'm doing that. But I'm deleting them and then shutting down my Twitter account. Remember, I just left it there dormant. Yeah. But as of Friday, your subject to Elon Musk's new terms, we will talk about that. You mean the first lady, Elon Musk? The first lady I would like to love that. Elania. Elania. That's good. That's good. Elania. I know it's so weird. It's like, though, you remember that Bob member that movie with Richard Drifus and what's his name?
Bill Murray. Bob came and stayed. He was a therapy patient of Richard Drifus's and then he never left. Yeah. What about Bob? That's what it's like. It's an episode of What About Bob. But that the Trump family. Let me just tell you two things. I've gotten calls from Trump people. They're like, Elon's a little odd. I think you were right. And I was like, Uh-huh. Good luck. Enjoy these yours. And then they also noted to me that they think
that he might end up fighting with Trump. And then someone else told me he was, they mentioned my name and they said they're good. He's going to buy CNN so he can fire me. He's going to buy CNN. Actually come to think of it, my God, for a fraction, I've got seen what is CNN's worth right now? CNN's probably worth somewhere between five. Not a rational buyer. It's worth it to probably between five and 10 billion. He paid 44 billion.
Nice to meet you. Not a rational buyer. I know. I have Alania. Alania to meet you. Anyway. Yeah. They're not going to sell to him. Yeah. I don't for the right money. Oh, for the right money, they would absolutely sell. It's John Malone. The people on the border are very driven. Yeah. That's a weird. If that would, oh my God. Can you imagine? I feel on the spot. I have a contract. I'm sorry. He doesn't honor contracts. And anyway.
But just to be fair, he's on fire right now. A stock is crazy up. Tesla's up 31% in the past five days. He's still Elon. Yeah. Many. Yeah. Whatever. Big bad. That's because he's hanging with the president. Everyone's got the, he's got the power kind of thing. It's not on any underlying improvement in anything. It's just that. So he's not on fire. He's on hype, I guess. I love how the president is handing the phone over to Elon and major
like talking to Zelensky and hands it over to Elon. Yeah. Whatever. Good luck. Good adult toddlers running the country. It feels so safe. Anyway, we've got a lot to get to today, including the not so hidden dangerous in X's new terms of service, which we'll talk about. The right wing and right wing media starting rolling from specter, not just the Elon, but right wing close our friend, a pivot are the hosts of the daily beast podcast writer
Sam B and host, obviously, along with daily, these chief content officer Joanna Coles. I think a lot of things are going to get thrown down with those two sassy games. But first, as you said, the US markets overall continue to soar. All three major indexes had their best week in a year, hitting record highs in the wake of Donald Trump's win. They were already doing well. The S&P broke 6000 for the first time in its history and Friday in
the Dow briefly crossed 4,400. The Russell 200 index, which is small cap stocks, was also up 8% at the end of last week. It's the largest weekly increase since April 2020. Tesla stock, as you said, continues to rise, surging 8% on Friday, pushing the company's market cap past a trillion dollars. Again, I must add, this is not on any fundamentals. This is on Elon hype, essentially. Trump made it also jumped 15% after Trump said he had no plans
to sell his shares. It's a mean stock. Again, zero under, look, Tesla's got cars and a business. Really solid business. Trump media has no business. It just is just a stock. It's just an empty stock, but it still is worth that, it's worth what it's worth. How long is this going to keep the momentum in? Is it a good time for investors to dive in? I
don't know. It's the endidia problem. It's impossible to time the markets. If you're going to go into the markets, I've said this for a while, going to low fee index funds and dollar cost average in, don't go in all at once because it's difficult to time the market. Historically speaking, the market looks very expensive, but let's talk about its
run up. It's a variety of things. Some of it is a lack of the markets hate uncertainty and generally speaking, investors like, okay, good or bad, your Canada or not, the election is over. We can focus on other things and the markets like that. They like certainty. They hate uncertainty. Now we know. What I said, my podcast, Prof.
G markets, my co-host is 25. Essentially, the markets are rationally reacting. Trump is saying he's going to lower corporate taxes from 20% to 15, which means they'll have more earnings, which means they'll have more profits. That logically means your share of those profits, which is what a share of stock and titles you to should be worth more. That makes sense. What people haven't squared the circle on around here is I own a lot of
stocks. I've gotten wealthier the last four days, but I would argue Ed Elson has gotten poor because when he turns, when he's our age, the homes, the stocks that he owns, in my opinion, will be under more strain than if we had not run up deficits. To be clear, the Biden administration is also guilty of this, not as guilty as Biden. From George Washington to George Bush, $7 trillion total in deficits under the Trump administration, $8 trillion,
Biden has not been much better. He's been better. But all of this spending that he's talking about in all these tax cuts, it adds up to great stimulus for you and me. This is great for you and me. It's going to be additional spending. It'll prop up businesses, lower tax rates, prop up stocks. But I said that to one of my poor relations who called the globe. I'm like, I'm going to do great. You, not so much.
What's so interesting, there's definitely a theme or a zikai in society where even people who don't own stocks and homes are like, you have a one day I'll be able to take advantage of ridiculously low tax rates when I'm rich. It's a unique dynamic. But all I see is people believe the stock market believes there's no increase in innovation. There's no increase in R&D. There's no. There's no. There's no fundamentals of Tesla. There's
no fundamentals happening. All there is is they're saying we're going to take young people's credit card, which still has a lot of credit left on it, a lot of limits on it. And we're going to run it up and pull prosperity forward from young people. When, you know, from when they were going to own their future self, their own stocks and their houses. So, which
is what you've been talking about for the past two years. But I just amazes me that people haven't connected the dots, the young people who disproportionately pivoted to Trump because they believe their economic prospects are better haven't recognized that all he's doing is pulling your prosperity forward to me. Yeah. There's, there's a saying for that. Go ahead. You know what it is. I don't. There's one more in every minute. No. There's one
more in every minute. A sucker. Anyway, interesting. The Federal Reserve will have an interesting job going forward, especially with all this stimulus to cut interest rates by a quarter percent point last Thursday. They did that last Thursday is also getting credit for driving markets up because of that rate cut. But the battle might be brewing between Trump and his advisors and Fed Chairman Jerome Powell. Powell fielded multiple questions about his future
at the Fed during a press for last week. Let's listen. Some of the President's elect's advisors have suggested that you should resign. If he asked you to leave, would you go? No. Do you believe that the President has the power to fire or to moat you and it has the Fed determined the legality of a president demoting at will any of the other governors with leadership positions, not permitted under the law. They're not going anywhere. Mr. Powell, they they sparked before. He was appointed Fed
chair by Trump in 2018, but later became a target. His term does not expire until 2026. And it looks like he's not going anywhere. I don't know how they can push him out. He may have to pay for his legal fight himself, but he seems to be pretty adamant. What do you think? I don't I don't I think this is a fight that's not going to materialize because one, Trump's lawyers will say we can't and two, you know, in terms of the tweet
at him. Well, fine. I don't think I don't think chairman Powell scares that easily. Also, you know, the most important person relative to their media coverage on the planet right now is chairman Powell. He literally put on a master class landing an economy in a soft landing with headwinds of COVID inflation 500, the greatest acceleration and interest rates we've seen. He had Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders saying you shouldn't be raising
interest rates. This must have just hurting Americans. We have people on the right saying this is going to be bad for markets and crash the markets. We never went into recession. He pulled off a master class. He will go down in history arguably if any serious economist, if they say give us the top three chairmen's of the Fed, I think he's numbers one, two and three right now. Yeah. So I don't think. No, they'll take Volker. Volker. Well, but
here's the thing. His book is here was Paul Volker who did the same thing. He did Paul Volker came in and said to Carter Reagan. So I'm a green span green send Volker. No, green span is seen as is a rash is is keeping interest rates artificially low too long. Volker had the stones to raise interest rates to like 15 or 18% to tame inflation. He said you just can't have inflation. But basically the the memoir that Paul would be seen caring to Fed meetings is a signal for what
was he was planning the memoir on Paul Volker. If for a Fed share to raise interest rates 500 Bips in 18 months takes real backbone and it was the right thing to do. I just don't think I don't think I don't think Trump wants to fight that battle. So I don't think he's going anywhere. It'll it'll take them away from other things. His attention span is short and so anything this hard. I think you said that it's going to be difficult for him. And this guy looks like
he's not budging. Jerome Powell doesn't give a fuck. That's my I was my vibe from that meeting. And we've known another thing that's interesting. This is a big meme that's going on a little too much now. People are media is overplaying this now. We've known that Trump harness podcasts, YouTube and non-traditional media along with the bro vote to great success. We've talked about this
for a long time. But now there's tons of pieces about those one piece of the new republic argue that the year it came obvious that right wing media had more power than mainstream media, another thing we've talked about for a long time. And then it was Fox News, Sinclair, ex Joe Rogan, another to quote, Fed their audience has died of slanted and distorted information made it possible for Trump to win. Elon Musk has been telling as follows, you are the media now,
which we've heard before. Again, I think it's a beginning a little overdone in my opinion, but it's true. And it's also getting overdone. That said, Democrats were slow to move away from legacy media slower as they always have been because they've owned legacy media for a long time compared to the right, which has been dabbling in radio and everything else for much because they were they were kept out of the mainstream media except for Fox. Mark Cuban posted podcasts that
he thought this this explains was only partially relevant for Trump's picture. I thought this was a smart observation as always. He thinks it's about social media echo chambers. He says that he told Harris to focus on reverse engineering, the algorithms for each demo, but the campaign was stuck in 2020. It's a complex story. I think it's partially and I thought Mark had a really good point that by just saying, Dems, you need your own Joe Rogan. It's not the answer. Well, I called you
the other night. I'm obsessed with data and also the affirmation of strangers and I'm always looking at the rankings of our podcast. And if you type in what's the most influential category in podcasting as it relates to an election, I think it would not be politics. I think it would be news commentary because that's where people tune into here about the state of the world.
And the top of the 10 top news commentary podcasts, which by the way, I would bet get dramatically more listenership, not only dramatically more listenership, but younger, more valuable consumers in terms of politicians or people running for office or advertisers. They're much more powerful than the top 10 cable. Who's in there? Who's in that list? I was ahead of that way. So eight of the 10, eight of the 10 are hard red Tucker Carlson, Megan Kelly, Charlie Kirk,
Dan Bond, you know, I mean, yeah, what a party. I forget that other guy, a little bit older. I forget his name. It was as John Boyd on Mark 11, the two blue, the two lone islands of blue. Now, number six is pivot and a number 10 is on with Cara Swisher. You are literally the only islands, the only say passage of blue in the top 10 news commentary of the most popular or most influential medium. I believe that don't cook and media is getting there. Don't cook and media.
They're categorized under politics and their number one or number two. If they were categorized under news commentary, I think they'd be number one or two. I think that's a fair point. But for whatever reason, Apple doesn't categorize them as news commentary. I think they are news. It's just news. You know what's interesting. When I was just thinking, one of the things the right wing does do better. And I do think I don't know if they're more powerful is they join together a lot.
They go on each other's shows. They cross promote. They're always, you know, how Rogan's doing the comics. That guy Tony Hinchcliffe is from is a Rogan accolade down in Austin. They all work with each other as a group. And and I think one of the things we should do is like hang with the crooked that we should do something where we're always cross promoting among our group. They exist, but they're little islands. But I think it's a little more complex than let's make a Joe Rogan,
you know, I think it's just that seems reductive. The legacy media is just woken up to something we've known all along is that we have a lot of influence in the podcast space, much more so than they realize. Like your little pot. I always get your little podcast. I'm like, I think we probably sold more books than a Washington Post review in by far or whatever. Look at look at okay MSNBC, a million people,
average age 70. Rogan gets 15 million downloads, average age 34. Yeah. Where would you rather be? And if you really the reality is a lot of these people, okay, so what do Megan Kelly, Tucker Carlson, Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, I'm reading people in the top 15 here. What are these people all in common? They were fired by traditional media. This is essentially this is this looks like the out placement office of McKinsey. It's all these formerly important people looking for a new job.
And quite frankly, you want to talk about revenge of the formerly fired or the fired from broadcast. They have found a home in podcasting and I there's just no getting around it though. You have to acknowledge the traditional media was missing a big one. These people have tapped into the same strategy, the Rubber Marta tapped into 30 years ago. I agree. I do think media didn't fall down the job of reporting on it. I just don't think they're getting to people. I think that's a bullshit.
They're like they ignored it. I'm like, no, there was a lot of reporting. It just was how they're getting to people. That's it. The reason I say it's overreaches because I think they're you're the media now. You're not the media now followers. You're just not. You're not going to all you can be noisy. You know, and stuff like that. But one of the things that was interesting, you know, that constant jazz
hands wanker, Chimath Polly Hopatia, who you know of Mr. Spac. He wrote, I canceled my New York Times and Washington Post subscriptions. It just reallocated the money to subscribe and follow the following folks on X who might believe help get me accurate news, including Michael Schellenberger, Kanioka the great, the chief nerd. I appear to be published accounts. I subscribed to on X and you may want to consider supporting this well. Worst case, consider following them. This guy, I went
saw him buy. I was noting several bottles of $10,000 fine one night and now he's on a budget. This we're going to hear endless amounts of this bullshit. I just think what he's saying is is that he's getting he feels like he's getting better information and better follows on Twitter than he has in traditional broadcast media. This fine. Look, this is going to there's going to be a lot of naval gazing, the Democratic Party. There's going to be more naval gazing across traditional media.
Yes, but the Washington Post and the New York Times is great reporting. Susan Craig, they just do. I like to do this stuff. I hate, but go ahead. Well, there's just no getting the most influential medium in this election. And I think the most influential election over the next or the most influential medium over the next four years. Podcast, I'm predicting next year. I'm doing my prediction. I think podcast revenue next year
is going to grow faster than meta, alphabet or Amazon. And all of a sudden advertisers wake up to the fact that they go where attention is attention. Money was false attention. And also the Nitro meets glycerin here is that advertisers of 34 year old male is three times as valuable. If not five times more valuable than a seven year old woman. Because the seven year old woman is smart. She's not she's not in her mating year. She's not spending money on stupid high
margin coffee and SUVs and you know, a deetice and Nike. She's not doing that shit anymore. She's like, okay, I'm only going to buy money. I'm only going to spend money on smart things, right? That are low margin and other than pharmaceutical ads. I mean, basically watching cable TV right now, these shows is essentially a lesson in how much it sucks to get old. Oh, you're constipated and you have restless legs. I'm getting a series of young advertising
people. I can't mention all of them yet because they aren't up yet. But suddenly, I mean, we're still now. I would love to do a dance. How great we're doing. But I still just hate that they have they feel the need to say that Nearing Times and Washington Post suck and they're terrible. They're not. They do a wonderful account of people. I mean, people are yeah, they're fine. Yes, he was. He was. They're the those. They're the. The results are. Yeah, they're the last of a they're the best of a
dying breed. And and they do a good job. There will always be room for them. I think they will. The problem is, you know, Meredith Levian is doing an amazing job and has figured out the business model there. Washington Post is important, but it's a shitty business. Okay, that's two. I just name 10 podcasts that are making a bunch of money. The economics are so much different. Well, I think CNN's still making money. You want to know what I thought was on my newspapers?
Yeah, I know, but I'm saying media writ large. CNN makes a lot of money. And all of that, I hate to say this. CNN, the New York Times, Washington Post and pivot quite frankly, from just a pure economic standpoint, the election worked out really well for us. Contrary in media does better when the other guy or gals in the audience. Yeah, I think we'll do very well with this. Sadly, I sound like Jeff Zuckerberg. What is also happening in podcasting is
that the biggest podcast, the biggest podcasting platform is the biggest streaming platform. And that is the biggest podcasting platform is now YouTube. And that is if you are not getting more views from your podcasts on YouTube, it means that your podcast is not thriving. Yeah, we're moving, we're both moving that way with all our properties. So we're going to be we're going to be heavy
on that this year. Anyway, I want to mention just to finish up this section. The last episode of On With Cara's We Shrye assemble a panel of experts for post election deep dive. Poster, Kristen Saltis Anderson, who's also in the Chris Wallace show with me, explain what she thought. This is an interesting take. I find her to be that one of the smartest posters around. She's been correct about everything that she thought. The biggest media moment
for Trump was it was not Joe Rogan. Let's listen. I think it's it is important to note that Joe Rogan's podcast appearance was not actually the thing that had broken through the most in the month before. By a long shot, the thing that had broken through the most was Donald Trump working as shift at McDonald's. So I mean, well, I'm this is not to say that the podcast election isn't a thing, but I do think that it's not just about the medium. It's about things that are a unique message that are
unexpected. Maybe they're memeable. There's something that amuse and retain, make your jaw drop, whatever. Like that is still the stuff that breaks through. The content still matters, even as the medium is changing for the record. Donald Trump did not work or shift at McDonald's. Yeah, but it looked like he did for what it's worth. That was Washington Post reporter Isaac Arnstorf, great reporter, Chami with that clarification. I thought Kristen made an excellent point.
Like I think she's talking about a bigger picture, which I like. I appreciate it. Yeah, I thought the three biggest moments were actually, I mean, she has the data. She does have the data. But I would have thought the three biggest were color daddy, Joe Rogan, and then the debate. But she's saying that it was the McDonald's thing because it got a lot of shampoo or echo effect across social media. Yeah. And people noticed it and picked up the debate. They were all up there. But she said
that McDonald's thing was very important, which we all make fun of. But it worked. The most insightful comment on polls was made by Madonna in the movie Truth or Dare, where she suggested that her employees take a poll and stick it up their ass. Okay, let's go on a quick break. We come back. Why people might want to leave ex for good this week if they haven't already and will speak with friends of Pivot, Samantha B and Joanna Coles.
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coming off on Thursday. The platform is not located in the district, which frequently rules in favor of conservative parties. That's his favorite place. The northern district is already the venue for X's lawsuits against liberal watchdog media matters and the suit accusing advertisers of boycotting, which Mark injuries and idiotically weighed in on. Mark, for some and so smart, you're so stupid. The initial judge on those two cases recused himself from the antitrust case
after it was revealed he own shares of Tesla, but it's still Elon's favorite judge. So if you are on there and you and you want to sue Elon and Twitter, or Twitter, X, you need to do it in that court in Texas as of Friday. If you're still a user of the service also in X's new terms of service by continuing to use X after November 15th, users will agree that the platform can use their data to train AI models. I'm right now deleting all my tweets because I don't want to use them as
many as I can. So what do you think about that? I understand that I understand your logic now around wanting to delete your I'm not as worried about data being used for AI models. With the reason I got off is I I don't want to you summarize it perfectly for me. I don't need to paint this guy's fucking fence. And so I'm saying as long as you're a member of his service, you can't
if you ever have a beef with them, you have to go to Texas. Well, I know that, but it's standard procedure for any corporation to try and get Charles move to the most favorable jurisdiction including if you're not like this. This is unusual. I've talked to a dozen lawyers. This is unusual. I'm sorry. I have no comment. Tell me what's going on here, Karin. All right. The headquarters is
in Bastrop, Texas, which is a different district than this one. They're pointing that nobody, most of the point where their headquarters is, whether it was San Francisco or whatever, somewhere near. It's not some random district in Texas where he has his favorite judge. There is judge shopping. This is unusual. Isn't it standard procedure for corporations and defendants to go jurisdiction or as you call it, judge shopping? No, it isn't. It not like this.
It's standard, say, Delaware or you have to have some good reason. This is what these lawyers tell me. It's unusual to pick a thing that has nothing to do with any of your businesses. They're just putting it in there because they can't. It's like saying everyone will be tried in Kuala Lumpur. It doesn't that mean someone in the government isn't doing their job by letting them do that? I don't think it's illegal. So why wouldn't everyone do it? I don't understand it.
You're just saying he's smarter than every other corporation or he wants, well, I think shame, shameless or shameless. I mean, you don't think other corporations are shameless. No, come on, Scott, don't normalize this. This is strange. Moving to the jurisdiction that is most favorable to him and his shareholders. You don't think there is nothing to do with any of his companies. You think other companies go, oh, that's that's that is not right. I will not move it to a more favorable
court. But they haven't look at that. They haven't. Why haven't they don't I'm sure people have thought of this, but they don't do it. People don't do what they it has some of the probably because they have more conservative lawyers and he doesn't care to be conservative. That's my guess. It might backfire. Who knows? But has it been approved? Proved. It's done. He just says it. He just says it because it's in the terms of service and by using the service you agree to the terms
of service. No, no, I'm not talking about terms of service. I was talking about he's moved is he's moved his headquarters to taxes. And if you move your headquarters to not to this not to this district. Okay. It's a different district, which is less kind to him. Where his headquarters are is a different district than this district. This is this there's two judges in this district. And he also owns Tesla stock. Are there conflicts of interest rules again? Against that if you're judged
and yet. Well, he pulled himself out of one case. He's like that woman in Florida. He repused himself in some cases. And then he doesn't. It's literally like the plot of roadhouses. But when but my understanding is when she did that another court, it was an effective delay tactic, but eventually her decisions weren't they. I mean, I still like to think there are the the legal system is still a pillar that's mostly standing. Yes, you would think that, but we are living in
a version of roadhouse. Like the big guy gets the decide. I don't know what to say. This is not normal. This is not normal. It is not anyway, very quickly. Everyone wants to be a digital
nomad now that Donald Trump is one of the second term is president. You know the threats of moving to Canada, but Google searches for best countries to move to and how to move to Canada peak to over 50 countries, including New Zealand and Japan offered digital nomad visas, digital nomadting, which I think you kind of are also boomed during the pandemic when working in office was rare. Now back to the office mandates are more common. Who's going to follow Scott and be a digital nomad?
I think that's just a empty threat for most people. I'm out of digital nomad. I'm the tell is wagging the dog and the tail is our kids. We basically dictate where we're going to live based on
what would be the most interesting experience to them and what would be the best high school. But something I have noticed here that's really big in the UK is this non-dom thing and that is people who were non-domasiled here and we're paying more favorable tax rates based on a country of origin where they established tax status, which includes many of the wealthiest people in London.
The new government has said that that shits over and if you've been here a certain amount of time, you got to pay UK taxes, which for a lot of people is much greater tax rate. No, not low. And they didn't think, including me, I didn't think these folks are going to move. I have a friend who's moving to Italy and leaving his family here. I'm another friend who's moving back to
Hong Kong. They estimate that their treasury is actually going to collect a lesser seats with higher taxes because what they fail to realize is that rich people are the most mobile in the world and until we have some sort of multilateral minimum, alternative minimum tax, you're just, you know, folks are going to, folks are just going to keep moving. Rich people will find the way through just like Trump did that with the taxes.
Like when he said, why shouldn't I cheat? Not cheat. Why shouldn't I try to get out of this access? I think he was truthful. Are you a digital nomad? You don't think you are? No, I didn't. No, I'm very much stationary. I spent a, I think of a digital nomad as somebody who says, I have a job where I can make good money and work remote and I'm going to move to
Mexico City. I'm going to move to a lower cost of living. I did move, when I moved from New York to Florida, I recognized a very creative, it was very creative in terms of my lifestyle because when I moved in 2010, it was much less expensive in Florida. These, these geographic or lifestyle arbitrage, ultimately gets starched out as it has in Florida, as real estate has doubled or tripled in the last 13 years. But I go, I mean, I'm now living in a city that's as expensive or
more expensive than New York. I would, again, I'm at this point, I spent the first half of my life focused on making money. I'm going to spend the next half focused on and this is a great thing spending it. And my reductive analysis is a following, having molested the Earth for the last 35 years. America. America is the best place to make money. Europe is the best place to spend it.
I'm focused on spending money right now. So I'm living in Europe, but it has, I don't think of myself as a matter of fact, my life would be, I'm getting on a plane tomorrow at, oh, fucking dark hundred hours. I'm going to meet me. I mean, that's right. I'm going New York, New York for 50 hours. And I'm going to cobblestone Lucas for summit. Then I'm going to LA for Netflix. And I'm going to Vegas for a speaking gig. And then I'm going to fucking stuff. And F one. And F one,
yes. Can I just tell you the world's tiniest violin is playing for you right now over somewhere? I can't. Look, that's it. I'm about, I'm about primarily what's good for my kids where I can make money and we're going to have the most fun. And then I'm going to sell Apollo for a speaking gig. And then I'm coming home. Don't you make these choices? God, if I was at therapy, say, don't you make these choices? My worst day is most people's best day. But I'm a nomad, but it's not
being, I wouldn't, I wouldn't qualify as a digital now digital nomad as someone in ad tax. I'm super excited to be next to you in the old folks home, the two of us. You're going to be wheeling me around. Are you kidding? Yeah, I am. I make sure people stay away from you. They don't grab your junk. People are going to have to look over my head and over the back of the wheelchair to see you. But you can be pushing me around. I don't touch his junk. I'm protecting him.
Fitching at me. Where is his applesauce? Where is it? Dangerous catheter. He's in a bad mood. Oh, I will take such good care of it. God, I will die like in seconds and you will be weeping. I'm counting on it. I'm counting on it. Anyway, all right. Let's bring in our friends of pivot. Samantha B is a comedian, a writer and a contributor to the daily beast. Joanna Coles is the chief content officer for the daily beast. Gather, they host the daily beast podcast.
Sam and Joanna welcome. Thank you so much for having us. It's so fun to be here. I know we're having a podcast fest here. It's been one week since the elections were mostly past the initial hot takes. Let's hear your colder takes. So aren't you start Sam? Well, I, you know, when it first happened, I was a little comatose. I will say that I kind of I had wrung out all of my emotion.
I could not summon a single tear. And then I kind of hibernated for about 24 hours. And today I woke up feeling very much like we need to straighten our spines stiffen up titanium and just get really fucking real. I definitely changed. I will say that I did this. I'm changing my, I'm changing my voting status. I'm changing my party affiliation to independent. Just as a little just those a little unsubscribed subsides. That'll show. You know, that'll show. That'll show.
You are such a gangster. You can be on CNN panels now. I know exactly. I'm not really, it's not that I'm like, could you be curious? A more like a little Democrat celibate. I think that's that'll be my empty gesture. Okay. Yes. She's coming over to the Libertarian side. Oh, no, no, no, no. Actually, the numbers are quite as impressive as people. They're putting out all the numbers today, which they're, they won fair and square, but the numbers are a little closer than
they thought they wait. How long, Cara? Just, just let me describe exactly what happened. They fucking destroyed us, Cara. They went seven for seven in the spring. I understand, but the actual, I get it, but the act, I will send them to you. Sky. The actual results are they, they won everywhere. We're at mattered. That's called winning trial landslide. That's, I understand that, but it's not a landslide. Again, I keep sending you landslide numbers. 100% no is the wrong word. They
run in the right places is where you did it. Go ahead. That's like saying I had, I had a landslide because my PSA is low, but my cholesterol is fucking off the charts. You know what I'm a landslide? If a football game is like 32 to 28, it's not a landslide. Anyway, Joanne, let's talk about you. Go ahead. Go ahead. Well, I was just going to say it's a total number of votes in the blue wall states actually that they won by fewer than the number
of people who canceled their subscription selection. Thank you, Joanne. Go ahead. How are you feeling? Clever, obviously. Well, I, well, in my dreams, I feel clever. I feel slightly more optimistic than sand does partly because I spent some time with people who spent some time with the Trump transition team. And they say that Don on Trump's motivation is he's got two things that are driving him. One, obviously, immigration and he wants to make a big deal of that and there will
be lots of photo opportunities. He's about and then like everything else he touches, it'll slightly fall apart. That he really wants to work on the economy, but actually what he really wants to do is have a good time. He's been, he's spent the last four years with the threat of jail over him. That goes away now. He can't believe what he's pulled off. He spent the last few days having world leaders call him and business leaders call him and say, well done. He's in his happy place.
He wants to be admired. He wants to be king of the world. He wants to sit behind his over office desk and have people come and kiss his ring. That's what he wants. So rum spring in the White House. We can all look forward to that. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. But he has brought some characters with him. We'll call him trouble. But anyway, we'll talk about a minute. We talked a lot about how the was a podcast election. We've said that on pivot quite a bit and
Trump going on the right wing and manosphere podcasts. What do you think about the role we debated it back and forth? I think it's a little bit overblown but true as we're doing rather well and growing and doing well financially. At the same time, Mark Cuban posited it was a little more complex than that. It's about sort of that reverse engineering algorithms to reach people. So how do you think liberals can and should compete in the space moving forward? Joanne, first.
Well, if I were Kamala, I would have done the Joe Rogan podcast. It was unfathomable to me that she didn't do that. And that she didn't fly and go down there and kiss the ring of this man that's got extraordinary reach. And also, I think, you know, people like the facts that it goes on and on and on. I mean, I'm impressed that people have time to listen to it, but obviously they
break it up over over days or at least hours. But to have a proper conversation with someone to actually try and get to know them, which is not what traditional media does that has people on and just tries to get them. And I think that that's one of the mistakes of the legacy media interviews. That there's always this sense of hostility and Scott, you're living in London at the
moment. The BBC has led the world in this. I mean, there was a wonderful, but very controversial interview called Jeremy Paxman, who wants to ask the same politician the same question 32 times. He just kept asking the question to try and break the politician down. And in the end, I think it's self-defeating because the audience sees it. They don't like it. And you're not getting to
know someone better. It's a really interesting kind of, it's like a very hard to think about because as I'm sitting here and we're all talking about this and kind of breaking it down, we're trying to figure out who we're going to have guests, which guests we're going to have on the podcast. And what kind of guests and what feels right going into this? It's like creating a constitution for yourself or figuring out what your red lines are too, because there are people that I would not,
I'm not really interested in having people on and wandering their reputations. Who I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I know you have a list. Kelly, okay, Kelly and Conway. All right. I'll say it like why have her on? Why have her on? You see, I think it's interesting to have people on because I want to be able to ask some questions, particularly people I don't agree with.
Sam is a bit more, well, when we met to do this podcast, Sam reminded me that she was a fake journalist, because she used to play a journalist on the daily show, brilliant, they absolutely brilliant, they always feel that everybody is worth a question, but as long as you can ask an honest question, I just have a thicker red line around the people I will and will not talk to will I have to bend that? What does that mean? What does that look like? I'm trying to figure it out for myself.
So I you with that Republican convention asking, what's the point? Oh, you're looking for a choice. I remember that I was one of my favorite things. Scott. So, um, trying to join the lady pool, Scott. Come on, come on, come on, I'm going to sit in very respectfully to the side here. The water is so, amniotic. Hey, I went to a WMBA game. Um, uh, so I love that you worked for it, amniotic and fluid, fluid.
So you're joining your, your minor centers, you're a large owner in the daily beast now, Samantha, you're a contributor to the daily beast. Is that right? And starting a podcast. So I think of the daily basis is this really cute, interesting media property that's hemorrhage money and makes no sense economically. What are you planning to do to, to bring in, to bring in, bring new life and, and figure out how the daily beast competes in this new media age and, you know, is a viable economic
opportunity. Well, what we're interested in is people, politics, power and pop culture. Well, there is a space in the market. Do that again? Do that again? I can do it fast. I can do it slow. I can do it backwards and heels. People power politics and pop culture. Oh, wow. Okay. Also penis a little bit, but that's my reading of the place. We go ahead.
Well, when appropriate, Carla, when appropriate. Um, but I would say that we're not, what we're trying to do is rethink how we talk about people and power, which I think people are very interested in. We have a very robust business model. We haven't been valued, um, like vice or like Buzzfeed at preposterous valuations with all sorts of venture capital money that came in. That's not our business model, but we've got very robust subscription growth. We have advertising,
both programmatic and brand. We've got events coming. We've got all sorts of plans to actually take the beast brand, which is extremely robust and expanded. And so far, it's, it's doing well. And I, I don't think I'm breaking any confidence. It's a great, it's a great brand and Tina Brown and Barry Dill has started that brand. It's been fantastic. There was a sort of moment when I think it veered into the arm of the resistance, which is not what Ben show and my partner and I are
interested in doing any, any more. But I will tell you that we've just had our first, um, profitable quarter. Okay, congratulations. I think possibly ever in the history of the beast, actually. So, um, can you address that, that pushback from the resistance? You got a pretty tough piece in the New York Times that was tough, I would say, fair if you thought it was. But, talk about the pushback because it seems to be aimed at you and Ben. Well, the pushback was
from people who've left. Mm-hmm. That's good. They still can be accurate. But how did you take it? Did you just say I just dismiss it and out of hand or? I think what the piece highlighted was that the beast had lost money ever since it had begun and that it had lost audience for the last eight quarters quarter after quarter. Q on Q, it had lost money and it had lost readers. So, I'm not sure that that's a winning strategy. Right. But is there anything in there that made you pause?
When I'm in criticism, I listen to some of it for sure. I think increase in readership and increase in revenue is extremely encouraging. Actually, when you're running a business, yes, when you're running a business. I would argue that there were things in being criticized. A new media probably been criticized with the New York Times. I think you want that.
I think that's where that like a badge of honor. Well, I think what was interesting for us was when you got to the end of the piece, they actually discussed the numbers, which are very positive. So, I think what you know, what happens in journalism is you talk to people who will talk to you. Obviously, lots of people who'd worked here that didn't like our vision for the beast, which was to make it profitable and successful. Your vision was to fire them. Those are the people
who spoke at the time. Oh, come on. You can't listen. No, that wasn't our vision actually. Our vision is to grow a business that has more original journalism. That's what we're leaning towards. And you can only do that if you have an economically viable base. And the thing was about to be sold. That's right. The thing was about to be sold. It doesn't matter how wonderful a property are if you're not economically sustainable. Right. Anyways, so Sam, I don't know if you consider
yourself a comedian or a commentator. I don't know what I consider myself. I'm just known with a flow to be honest with you. Just considered, just considered curious how curious how in this things are so polarized, so angry right now. How have you, if at all, tried to adapt your career in terms of the mediums, the approach you take, how you make money, how is your quote-unquote business model change in the face of how much the environment has changed and the media landscape
has changed? She is also fired, everybody too. I was fired. But, you know, I knew that I was going to be fired, so it was like a huge surprise and I had a really good run at my show. My business model has changed in that I now only do things that are pleasing to me personally and professionally because I have the freedom to do that. I am in a privileged position to be able to consider every job that comes along and kind of weigh it against what my own needs and
desires are. I do things that I have to do podcasts with needy insulting people. I completely made you. Totally. He has made a her Alec Baldwin. It is so rewarding to rejuvenate a flailing career. It is so rewarding. No, you are Alec Baldwin and headed that direction. But let's go on. Anyway, that's very fun. Tell us about it. Tell us about it. Tell us about it. Tell us about it. You saw Tony Hingecliff and the whole group around Joe Rogan, the bros helping each other.
What is comedy now as a business? How do you look at it? Obviously, the daily show is doing okay, it's doing. It's a dead-ass group of people that's kind of interesting. It has my greatest pleasure to actually be independent of that world and consume the products that I like to consume and not have to worry about it too much. I'll tell you truly, I'm not there's no one job that I'm
personally gunning for. I really mean it when I say that I do things that interest me. It interests me to do the Daily Beast podcast because I really like Joe and I think she's spicy and fun and I love to be at the ground floor when things are rebuilding. That's exciting to me. I'm writing a book. That's exciting to me. There's nothing that I'm doing just for money. I probably should, but I'm not that interested in it. I'm not that interested in re-entering in trying to
re-enter the world of political comedy. If there's no place for me in it, that's perfectly fine with me. My life is quite happy and I'm quite happy to be a commentator in this capacity. That's enough for me. It checks that box. Beyond you, what is happening in the comedy world? It's obviously gone TikTok. It's gone social media. There's all kinds of independence. Whether it's someone like Louis CK or whoever. A lot of these people are doing things on their own. How do you
look at the comedy ecosystem now? There was a way to go up and you ultimately got the show, right? Or the stand-up show on HBO, etc. Right. That is the entire ecosystem is so different. It's very much like it's just spread across so many platforms. People can access whatever it is that they want. People can become a famous comedian in half a year because their TikToks did great and they can suddenly fill stadiums and be doing stadium shows. It is a really super different landscape.
There's also a tremendous amount of hand-wringing about censorship and people trying to stop people's messages from getting out. These are all very successful, usually male comedians who make it their business model to pretend that someone's coming for them or their point of view. Obviously, it's just not true. It's not something that I'm participating in. I'm doing my own show. I literally did a show called How to Survive Manipause because that's really important to me.
I think it's so fucking funny and so untapped. I had stuff I wanted to say and I did it. I did it on a stage in front of hundreds of screaming women and it was like exactly where I want to be. Exactly talking about the self-selecting exact things that I want to talk about. I do think that there's more of an opportunity for that in comedy and I'm harnessing that opportunity for myself. Man are also interested in how to survive Manipause. Oh yeah, you should be. You should come
to my show. Scott, you know what? I'll come to your house and I'll do the show for you in person. You'll love it. It's really funny. I attended the show and it was full of middle-aged women throwing their underwear at Sam. Oh lovely. That's very, very dry underwear. Oh my god. Good job. I'm blushing. There's two things I've watched out. I'm neotic fluid. Once again. All right. It's gone. You would blush at the show. You would blush at
the show. Yeah. You guys should call your show a collar granddaddy. All right, let's get back here. I just made that up. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Is it though? Is it? That was good. That was good. It was good. It was ages. Can I ask you another question? My question is the more interesting than yours on a topic. All right. Go ahead. If it's about the podcast, let's talk about the podcast. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go.
Well, Cara was the first guest on our podcast. I knew that we ate first. We were a bit like Trump. We wanted to pay homage to the doyenne or what? I'm sure they wanted to ask you, Scott, but the invitation was lost in the mail. Well, I think we have we have a we haven't asked out to Scott, but he just ignores my text. It's it's building from the premier podcast. Anyways, the I think the daily I'm fascinated by the daily beast brand. I think it has huge
awareness that I think it has this nice modern cool field of it. I always thought the best thing about the brand was quite think it was a design, which I think is super important. You could go into you could go into podcasts, which are obviously doing you could be like the cruel truth of capitalism is you have finite resources and the only decision you have to make is not what to do. It's what not to do. So are you going to where are you going to put the majority of
wood behind original journalism? Are you going to do it more around? I would love to see the daily beast going to events. Do you want to put a bunch of cool content that's more fun and I don't know joyous begassapy behind a paywall? Like what? I'm just curious. Well, we have a paywall. I mean, what is the first thing we're doing is right sizing the business right? I paid for it. Who paid for it? Cara's picture and they complained about your sense. Thank you very much, Scott.
Cara. Yeah, but it's much better now because we've changed the tech. I was going to, but I heard the first podcast sucked. Yeah. Well, that was the guest. That was the guest. Look, the first thing we're doing is right sizing the business. We've changed the tech. So hopefully you don't bump up against a paywall or a subscription that you've paid for that doesn't recognize you. We've changed the content management system. There's a lot of sort of reorganization that needed to happen.
It was a 15 year old business running on a 15 year old proprietary tech. So we had to change all that. We've done that. So we've got a lot of things coming. We have a sort of three year plan for expansion of the beast. And our ultimate goal is to have lots of original journalism as well as summaries of other stories going on there as well as lots of opinions about what's happening
out there. And to have a really robust daily beast network, but you can't do it overnight. I mean, I was fascinated that New York magazine did a piece on us two and a half weeks after I'd started saying, why isn't it already done? This is never going to work kind of thing. You're like, hey, women get much more critical press than men. But be it's like seriously, does anybody know what it's like to turn a company around? This is not the first turn around I've done. Ben show with
my partner has done turn around too. You have to write size the business before you can do anything and that's what we're in the process of doing. How the two of you already discussed with your approach to Trump 2.0 will be, I mean, I'm looking on the daily beast page. There's a lot of Trump. Well, for example, this week we're talking to Adam Grant, the organizational psychologist about
how to deal with polarization in the workplace. Everybody, you know, regardless of whether or not you're working at home or you're working in an office, everybody's aware that you have to be very sensitive around other people's opinions. How do you still work effectively in an environment
which may be increasingly polarized? And I think that we actually haven't sat down and had those conversations about like what direction do we want to, I mean, I remember in 2016 when I had my show, we sat down the day after Trump won and we went, the show is totally different now. We don't know what it is, but we know that it is different because the world is very different. So what do we want to do? Like are we just here to plant a flag and say this is right, this is wrong?
Like what is the purpose of this? And we actually have not sat down to have that conversation, but we will because- What would you say if you had, right off the top of your head right now? What is interesting? Like you said in your last podcast episode that you're worried about Trump's vengeance and retribution, what it means for the state of journalism, for example. And Daily Beasts, by the way, published a piece last week, Trump loves the media, Glare Yeti also wants revenge.
Yeah, yeah, I think it's important for us to sit and have this conversation. I haven't quite gotten to exactly what I do want it to be, but I know what I don't want it to be for myself. I think I'm very willing to have interesting hard conversations with people, but a podcast is a different experience than a straight interview show. Like do we want to have combative conversations in a podcast? I'm not sure I really want that for myself and I'm not sure an audience is there for it.
And it's a, you know, do we- Are we offering people something that they can't just get from reading an article? I do think that we- For me, what I love that we do do is we talk to reporters who are reporting on the ground. So I like getting that background information from people, and that is something that I think is very useful that we'll take forward. I'm not sure that we've developed our constitution yet exactly. What about you, Joanne? What's interesting, how- Do you see
Delibe's covering the new Trump era? Well, first of all, I like hearing what Sam has to say, because she's always got a point of view and full of things. I like asking questions, trying to figure it out. We talk to a lot of people who are both on the democratic side and on Trump side, so we try and report what we're hearing. And we love to cover people. Donald Trump is the most interesting person in the world. He's just pulled off the most extraordinary political comeback that
nobody saw coming. He didn't see it coming either. And here was a man who faced two options, either go to jail or be president of the United States. It's an extraordinary story. And I want to be able to cover that story with all the nuances that we possibly can to talk to all the people who are close to power and report back what they are saying, what they're feeling, what they're hearing. It's incredibly interesting. It's a massive human drama. I sometimes think we are all
just characters, we're extras in his reality show that he's turned America into. And you know, if you're in the media, it's a fascinating relationship with Trump. He is a tabloid president. The media created him. He had 16 seasons of the apprentice before he ran. And he's brilliant knowing how to get attention. His McDonald's gag was brilliant. His garbage vest was brilliant. He understands media. And if you're in the media, it's very interesting to to pay attention. And
he's not a regular politician. He's an entertainer first. He has fans, not just voters. And I think this is partly what the Democrats failed to really understand about him that they were doing business as usual. And he's not counterdued as usual. Yeah. I hate to use the word brilliant with respect to Donald Trump. I think instinctive as more. So just so I can virtue signal. I like the daily beats, but I love I love Joanna Coles. Can you see this? I just signed up for the ad free
model. Thank you. Thank you. You got you see 100 110 dollars. So this thank you sir. Thank you. Yes. This Joey Bagadona podcast called pivot better pay off at something. Anyways, my question is, Johnny, you've been a media for a long time. Sam, you've been in media on kind of the content side. Well, I guess you're on the content side as well as the
business side, John. But what are some media properties across anything that you really admire and you think are great role models or even just people who you think are doing a great job leveraging new new channels of media? Who do you look who and what do you look up to in this landscape? You mean other than the pivot podcast? We are. We are. We are the dollars. Obviously, obviously pivot. I love the information. I think Jessica Lesson saw a gap in the market,
which covering tech other than Cara, Cara, been doing this forever. But I think what Jessica's done with the information is really good. Tina Brown, former editor of the of the daily beast, has a very good sub stack. There's so much out there, there's just not enough time. What about you, Sam? What do you see? Well, I identify like a gap in the marketplace because I miss Gokker. I still miss Gokker. That was a spicy way for me to get everything I needed at the
beginning of every day. I like to read when it was that it's fun. It was fun to read when it was that as fast. I like when they ruin people's lives for clicks for no fucking reason. Well, I didn't like that part necessarily, but it was a snarky fun way to start the day. Yeah, or interesting. Not her head. And she was scared. Go ahead. Sorry. No, sorry. I lost my train. Fine. I say, you ruined it. You know, I mean, ruined it. So that's when I did not predict that Sam
B would be a gulker fan. I would. I could see why that when it was doing the interesting stuff, you're absolutely. Yes. Like, look, Elon Musk is done at 26 times by tweeting at people, whether it's your author, whatever. So just saying, yeah, we're so kind to him. You're a double standard. You're right. Okay. Fine. I liked part. I say I get it when gulker was at its best before I do agree to generate it in a way that was really ugly, but when it was
as best, it would make me laugh out loud. All right. Last question. If you, you know, when you're thinking about the next year of what you're you're going to be doing here and what you're doing, is there besides Trump? Is there anything else that's interesting to each of you? Oh, Jonathan, what's interesting for you? Is it all Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump?
Well, I, you know, what I'm going to be really interested in next year. And I think this is a, it's going to be a huge story is assuming it comes to trial and he doesn't do a plea deal is the diddy story. How that happened in plain sight with all these celebrities who we know were there. How he managed to use celebrities as air cover for these freakoffs where he was drugging people. I mean, Scott, maybe you can explain to me. Why is it? The freak out. I'm not holding you up.
I'm not holding you up. Yeah, wait for this. The thing, the thing I don't understand in any of this is this is called setting me up for failures. So not Scott, I am your biggest fan. But, but I'm very curious. One of the big differences, I think I hope between, well, one of the differences I observe between men and women is I don't understand why people want to have sex with people when they are drugged and unconscious. What is, where is the pleasure in that? And you're asking me
because you think I'd be able to explain. Oh, because you're a guy. Yeah, because you're a guy. And I feel like this is something men do. Men, there are no stories of women doing this right now. I'm going to jump. I'm going to jump to the defensive men in general. This is not a common. This isn't a guy or a girl thing. This is a criminal, psychotic behavior. Okay, that makes me feel like a male, most likely a male district attorney will put him in front of a male prison guard
very soon correctly. Okay, that makes me feel better. I'm not on C-Man. I even get birth to two, man. Explain us the raping nature of men. Thank you. Go next. Go. All right. Sam, answer. 30 seconds. Sam, you end up trying to get us out of fat. I can't get us out of that. That's actually what I'm here for in the next year. I'm like, I'm going out. Listen, that's going to be one hell of a story. It's a hell of a story. It's one hell of a story. Agreed. I'm just,
I'm actually here for, I want to talk about the Diddy story too. And all I mean, and I'm here for Joanna and her shameless approach to interviewing. And I'm here to have fun. I want to, of course, we're going to talk about Trump. Of course, we're going to talk about the stuff that he does, but it's not like the world stops spinning. It's not like other stories don't emerge. And we want to talk about those things too, because the one thing that I can't not be is completely interested
in the news cycle at all times of the day or night, whether I'm on TV or on a podcast. And so I think it's like a exciting opportunity. Anyway, thank you Samantha B and Joanna Coles and be sure to listen to the Daily Beast podcast. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thanks. Thanks. Sam. Thanks, Joanna. All right, Scott. That was fun with the ladies. We should do a quadruple, quintuple, quadruple quadruple quadruple quadruple quadruple. What's it called? Not a thrupal. Not a
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Picture this. You're out of party and someone asks you what you do as a marker. How do you even begin to describe it? You have to generate leads, score them, contact them, create content, gather data, and tomorrow. Do it all again. And wonder if it's even work. And marketers are spread way too thin. But HubSpot has a better way. With the help of breeze and tools, including content remakes, now you can turn up one piece of content into a suite of assets.
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even sure why because I know rationally nothing's ever as good as bad as it seems. And I think personally, I don't think my life's going to be affected that much. But I was just so invested in this and just so wrong about it. There's just not getting around it. This has really rattled me more than any other election outcome. And I struggle, I'm easily, you know, it's not easy to send me down to a pretty dark place. And I have a whole host of things that
make me feel better. And a couple new things that actually made me feel better shockingly. And I hate to admit it, but I want to call it all some strikes. One of those things is threads. I've actually really enjoyed threads. And I have a lot of really interesting content on it. And I hate to say anything nice about meta, but I, my threads has been nice for me this week. And then- You can't wait to bang on it. And I got to say it's actually, you know, it depends on
your algorithm. But I, when you put this week up of solace with a picture carry like covered by vessel. They'd be like that. So hard. Anyway. But the other thing is I've really been enjoying. I found a lot of moments of peace in music. And there was two pieces of my friends. It's so funny. I put, I've been finding some respite or moments of peace and music. And my friends have telling me they, they of course listened to all the stuff. So they've been sending all these
different songs. Like I love this one. And to really stuck out for me. And that is, I'm not a huge Pearl Jam Eddie Vetter fan as an I'm not a fan. But he did a cover of the English beat song, Save It For Later. And it's so lovely. And we're going to play it now. We also also I've stumbled across, I think on threads, these three young men, they look as if they're in high school, the probably in college. And I think it's called, they're called
Penelope Road. And it's a cover of Ventura Highway, which I think is a by the band America. Yeah, it's not exactly like that. I can't tell the difference. But it was so nice because it was highlighting these three lovely young men. And it was it, one of the wonderful things about, you know, going over the internet is just I never would have found it had it not been served up to me. The algorithm said, figure it out, this guy could use a little Simon and Garfunkel like
a good cheer. But anyways, my win is the Eddie Vetter cover of Save It For Later. And the cover of Ventura Highway, America's Ventura Highway by this wonderful, these wonderful young men from a band called Penelope Road. Those are my winscare. Those are lovely. I love that song, Ventura Highway. That's a beautiful version of it. It reminded me, my friend Lee Lotus and I used to go to Vegas in his red jetta. And then we'd get $40 in the reddy teller. And we'd
head to Las Vegas and we'd listen to the the English beat album. Was it stated for later? Anyways, I forget the name of the album, but it just took me back to this such a fun time in college. It does. Songs have so much, I went on, I told you that podcast seven life and seven songs, I wish you'd go on it. It was so eye-opening to me what songs I picked and how they made me feel that way again. It's a great San Francisco standard podcast that I loved, that I just loved being on.
It was so much fun. Okay, so I think my my win is Carrie Lake losing an Arizona couldn't word my sister. Words, repetition. I think I don't like her more than Trump. I don't, I can't believe it. It's not because she's a woman. She's such a hateful person. And in a so was he, but it's just a different thing. I don't know. I look people get mad at me for that, but I was I found pleasure in that. I found pleasure in that for some reason because she just I want her to stop being so terrible
as a person. And and I think Megan McCain like slapped her around loser keep loser get look, keep losing or something like that get on to the loser highway or whatever. Not a fan of Megan McCain, he's there, but he was vile about her dad. Anyway, that was a win for me. I know it sounds crazy. And the parents say is I just talked about this just earlier off the record, but I think we, I think I've noticed on threads, particularly is a lot of people getting up again, which is what
Sam talked about. And I understand Trump won in the right places, but just keep in mind. And I've said this to Scott Biden's margin with Trump was seven million votes, 4.5 percentage points. And Trump's margin with Harris was two million votes, 1.3 percentage points. And it's not the landslide. They go on in all the right places and they did get the house in the center. I'm not sure they're going to we'll see with the house. Well, when is that has happened called yet in any case,
they're probably going to get it. It just 250 votes. This is an interesting statistics about 1.5% and Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, the difference between 226 electoral counts and 270 for Harris. At the Senate level, Democrats won those states and aggregate by about 10 K votes, which means normally 260 K likely now remorfable ticket splitters and protest fights in the blue states, put Trump in office. You cannot discount those those. He doesn't have them in the bag. That's
all I'm saying. So it was a much closer race. And so you should be taking all you Democratic policies to take this stuff. Both beat yourself up, but also learn from the data. I think it's it's a really complex and interesting result as we get more and more information. But the one thing that I think that Scott got right is the winner podcast, the loser knocking on doors. I think that was something that the Democrats absolutely fucking miss like crazy. So that would be I guess my
my fail. I just pay attention. Pay a lot more attention. It's a little everything's a little more complex than the hot takes you're going to make about this. And that's a good thing. And and we'll see where he goes with this. But I think probably they have the right idea. He wants to just girls just want to have fun. And so we'll see if that would be the best case scenario. The worst case is all of his terrible things he said on the on the trail that he does. In any case, I would recommend
going to see wicked as I recommended before. It's a perfect movie for what's coming up also in a lot of two, which I will be going to and gladiator to. But I think wicked just captures the feeling right now. And I'll just end on this is is there's a line I was giving a speech in this woman was really barrapped about what had happened. And they're like is Elon Musk, you know, he's smarter than me. He's going to do this. They were particularly triggered by Elon Musk. He's
so terrible a personality to be out there in front of Trump. He's so crude and obnoxious and look at me and powerful and everything else. He does feel like a character in a Patrick Swayze movie where he's Patrick's going to take him down eventually. But one of the things there's a line in wicked that she sings there's a line that's very famous from Define Gravity, which is a big song for girls and everybody in the musical. And they go and she goes, I think the line is no
wizard that there is or was is ever going to bring me down. That's how you all should feel. He's not he's not the wizard you think he is and he represents a lot of things. So they're not going to bring you down. That's what I say to my fans out there. Anyway, we want to hear from you. Send us your questions about business tech or whatever's on your mind. Go to nymag.com slash pivot to submit a question for the show worker 85551 pivot. We talked about so many good things
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