Debate Prep, Apple and Meta's Potential AI Partnership, and Guest Brené Brown

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Just so you know, I left my makeup in France. So this is what you're getting today. The raw face Cara Swisher. I know it's hard to take because I have so done up most of the time. I've told you this before, I personally think women are much more beautiful or much younger. I think I think makeup ages women.

Some of them. I think you look, I don't like it when you put on makeup when you're going TV. I think you look best. You have nice skin and nice features and I think you want that to come through with very light. Although I have to say the CNN ladies who do Chris Wallace makes it look rather natural. They're really good. But I agree with you. I don't like to much makeup myself. Anyway, a lot to get to today. But what are you doing? You're back in London? Is that correct?

Yeah, back in London where it's a swaltering 70 degrees. It's actually really pretty here. It's, yeah, it's really lovely. It almost hit 100 here in DC crazy. Really? No, that's crazy. It's not, it's not that bad. But it's still like on you. It's calm down today a little bit. But it's a wet heat. It's a wet heat. Wet, softening terribly.

Let me say this heat wave across the United States is really debilitating across everywhere. Yeah, it's really, I'm sure everyone Europe got it last year or the Europe. I remember these heat numbers are just like I was talking to someone in Arizona and it's like nuts. The numbers are crazy. I don't know. Humanity survives these kind of temperatures and then the load on the energy system, especially with AI, making all sorts of generative images of us. Anyway, did you have a good time in France?

Oh, I loved it. I had a fantastic time. I really enjoyed it and enjoyed saying you enjoyed. I went to see the chain smokers who had answered our DJs. Not actual. Alma pals were there with you. They said they ran into both concerts, the arcade fire, I guess.

Yeah, but the chain smokers are really lovely guys and they're really hot girlfriends and so what's not to like? I met the Kelsey of the Casey brothers. Oh, you did. You met Travis Kelsey cool. Yeah, yeah. Oh, no, I think I met his brother. They're both huge guys with the arts. I can tell the difference. There's a lot of beer. They're really nice guys. That is what it seems like with the CEO of Yahoo.

Yeah, Jim Jim is amazing. Yeah, he, you know, I did a podcast because I wanted they're doing so well under him and then he got a beach front. He did a beach front. He did. And I think it was like, did you know he and I Johnson, I love that. Do you know that he and I are fraternity brothers or both health off the rosy to bet Italian cell. Wow. So we slip each other the secret hands. He's a good. Hello, brother. Hello. Can you leave that we have a secret.

I can't believe it. Alex is like we did some things I can't tell you like I can tell you. I can tell you. I know it's very secret. Oh my God. Like he does that all the time. But I respect it. I think his health. I'm not going to get it wrong. Alpha Delta. I think that's what he is.

He might be. I think he's an alpha. What? That's not right. I don't know. He's going to kill me now. Because he doesn't think that it by no alpha Delta. That's fine. I've had delta. I don't know. Anyway, I don't know. Well, anyway, Alex and apologize once again for being a bad parent. But more importantly, it's it's the ultimate in caste system and stereotyping and that is everyone gravitates towards a they find their tribe.

Like Sigma Kai UCLA with the God squaders who are also good looking guys. You know, five caps were the small town alcoholics that were fun to party with. Sammies were the hardcore Jews, ZBT. We were sort of the like more social. I don't know more more. I don't know. Ready for prime time. Some athletes Jews and occasionally we bring in a non-wide just to show up. Progressive. We were.

The the the betas were total fucking animals. Okay. That was through the most ridiculous like animal offensive parties. Yeah, essentially the data cards were like the new wave guys that like all had David Bowie haircuts. Wow. Good to know. Wait, wait, this was literally the best party of life. Wasn't it? Oh, 100%. I mean, seriously, the way you all talk about this. Hold on. I was the Delta gamma anchor man. An entire story.

It shows me is their guy in 1986. Because I was funny because I was funny memories. Oh my God. Take me back. Like the shadow of my mind. Take me back. The way we were Scott. I actually am doing a lot better today than I was then. Anyway, we've got a lot to get to today.

Well, I'm very glad for this moment of fraternity between us Apple and Matti considering an AI partnership apples, you know, going around as you said, as we said the thing and Biden and Trump are getting ready to go head to head in this week's debate. I don't know if you've heard about it.

Plus our friend of pivot, the newest member of the box media family, Brunei Brown is coming on. She hosts the podcast unlocking us and dare to lead. And we're going to talk to her about social media election anxiety and more and about vulnerability Scott, which you were very vulnerable. I am less so.

Speaking of people who need vulnerable in a way that is really unattractive. So Melinda French gates gave her first presidential endorsement president Biden and and it was great. She had a really nice announcement why she did it was a lot around women's rights. Musk replied to a tweet about her likely donations to Biden saying quote might be the downfall of Western civilization. Oh, Elon, you endless drama queen.

He also made similar comments about McKenzie Scott's charitable getting. He doesn't like, I don't know why he cares if he gives money and everything else in time that he cares to comment at other people's opinions.

I think it goes down to incentives. I've been thinking a lot about incentives and the incentives. Really the problem with social media and probably the epicenter of what is really fucked up our society of last year. So the incentives are, you know, for teen girls to sexualize themselves. And it's for powerful people with a huge following to say controversial and sendy area course things. Because your scene is a leader and unfortunately you're your scene is.

You know someone who is puncturing and tells it like it tells it like it is when you say really. Of course, just inappropriate things. The incentives are I'm sure he got tens of millions of likes for that. I mean, he's a leader. He can't keep that guy down. Yeah, rather than saying why you know, she's trying to do good. She wants to be like Mr. free speech. It's ridiculous. It's like it's interesting though. There's sort of a lineup happening like you have Melinda Gates.

I've heard the Cheryl on the slides when getting money to buy in a big check. Sure, Sam Burr. Yeah, and obviously read Hoffman's been giving this on the. He did a very thoughtful editorial on that. He did. That was great. Bloomberg did one. I'm sure Cuban's been been sort of a surrogate for Biden quite heavily on Twitter.

You know who's been the most effective. Robert and arrow. Robert's an era has been really good. Yeah. But these are the tech guys. It's interesting because there's a real lineup happening here of teams. And then there's the sort of right wingers all in people just did a Trump licking him up and down in there, whatever wouldn't call it an interview was more widely a suck up thing. It's gotten a lot of commentary on that nonetheless.

And then you know, obviously muskets lined up for Biden. I may excuse me as for Trump. It's interesting. And of course they're all meeting with people like Javier Malai of Argentina. They just did a picture. Mark Andreessen was there a whole bunch of tech bros were with him. And of course they call them, you know, one of our great intellectual philosopher kings.

And they're not really reading the parts about abortion being murder and saying women need to go back in their place. They don't seem to they seem to agree. It's like a he's like a libertarian like wet dream libertarian tech bro debt. Wet dream. Yeah, but just to go back to the supporting a candidate. I also don't think it's don't think it's fair. I saw Dennis quaid was saying he's probably going to vote for Trump in the comments, which was so aggressive.

And I'm like, okay. If you can if you believe people should be allowed to support Biden and you know disagree, but don't go after them. People should be able to support Trump. And you should be able to disagree and not. You should. I just think their interview was a suck up, but go ahead. Go ahead. Sorry. I want to. Well, yeah, I didn't I didn't listen to interview, but I'm curious. So you listen to it. You didn't think it was very good.

Oh, no, they didn't fall up on anything. They forgot to ask them about the felony. They, you know, yeah, I mean, it just was just like and your big brain. It just was it was an interview. They're not journalists. They're a bunch of investors, cosplaying it being whatever thought leaders. I don't care.

We're going to try to get Biden just everybody knows for the city. Yeah, I wasn't I didn't want to say that. We can say that. We'll try to get him. We're going to try. That's you. If we get him, it's because of you. Yeah, we've got to be ready to go. You know, ask good tough questions. That's what we'll do. Because we'll ask good tough questions of him. We did the same with Trump, by the way, if we maybe should ask Trump, should we ask Trump?

I don't see why we wouldn't. I think we should. He won't do it because he likes to get liked up and down all day. So, if we're going to ask Biden, we should ask Trump. Yeah, absolutely. I will do that. I'll put in a thing that will be thrown into the circular file. His kids like my, his kids, Don Jr. retweeted my morning Joe segment. Instead, this is the America we're trying to create. I'm like, well known. Don Jr. Don Jr.

Don Jr. Don Jr. That's why I think of Scott Maga. I think you're open minded is what you're, but not particularly. Well, no, but I think he did that because I think that's clearly evidence. His cocaine dealer was back from to loom. You probably share one. I don't do cocaine. I'm very open about my drug use. I've never done blow. I know. I know. I know. I forget. I've done. I forgot. I'm sorry. I'm going to keep my list.

I think I would have lost my virginity at 17. Lena, my prom date wanted to do blow. And I didn't bring any. I think that was my shot. I think that was my shot. I think you don't just find. All right. We got to get him move on and just so you know, just for everyone, congratulations. Muscat another child, by the way, with Nuralink director, Shaman Zealous. She had twins with musk and then she had another child. Congratulations.

Not living, not living with your children. That's a real sign of masculinity. That's you're definitely being a protector there. Well, we have 12. It's a little hard. You have to have a big house. He is rich. Though anyway, congratulations on your child. Big thing we've been talking about you and I texted about I think a eyes power grid needs are exceeding capacity. Goldman Sachs analysis found that data centers were account for 8% of total electricity use in the US. That's an.

I mean, crypto and Bitcoin mining was yeah, tech giants are confident they can solve the problem though, Microsoft saying it will harness atomic fusion power by 2028, both Bill Gates and Sam Altman are investing in nuclear energy. Meanwhile co plants near data center operations are supposed to be shut down and extended to fuel demand. Well, great. Good. More global warming.

Microsoft met a Google and Amazon have all said they plan to erase their missions as soon as 2030 they've talked about that. You know, the amount of power, you know, you need two things you need. Obviously chips and you need the data, but power is the one people don't pay attention to as much. Yeah, they say it's 10 to 17 times the power for a query on AI versus a query on search and even the even the water to cool these data centers.

They say that you're going to need essentially the amount of water, the daily water supply for 17 million households just to cool the data centers. Well, and the thing I like about this is that people are re embracing nuclear power and trying to be very critical. You know, these guys are very smart and very forward and future looking and they're not afraid of big. And they're not afraid to make big cat X investments, but I think someone told me that crypto is now.

Has added the incremental power demand of Argentina and it's not unthinkable to think in 10 years of AI keeps growing. It'll be the incremental power demand to make Latin America. So it's really interesting power is energy no matter how much energy we produce. It's like it's like bandwidth. We find we can find uses for it much faster than we can find. And then we can find energy sources 100%.

They've tried innovative ways. My ex wife worked on I can say this now. She's a long time ago, but they were thinking of doing she went to Hawaii. And I was like, why are you going there? She said I can't say and at the time they were going to do a wind farm on Hawaii for power. And they're going to try to power on Lulu Google was doing this. And obviously Google has been really out for this stuff like thermal energy, all kinds of ways to these data centers are just such a pull.

And I always hear of some plot either there's thermal or nuclear or wind to you know at one point remember they had that sale they were going to put up in the atmosphere that was going to turn a turbine and then was going to create power. Remember the big sale that was another thing Google has been at the moment, but they do have to solve this. They should be the one focusing on alternative energy sources. I hope they do more wind farms so it drives to all Trump crazy because it kills birds.

But anyway, it's a really interesting thing we should keep in mind. We focused a lot about it around Bitcoin point mining, but AI really is a poll on the energy sector scenario. We probably should look at a little get a little experts in here. Anyway, let's get to our first big story. Apple just became the first company to be charged under the EU's new competition law that digital markets act EU regulators say the app store cycles competition for developers and limits options.

For consumers Apple has defended its practices saying restrictions fees are fair trade for providing large platforms same arguments they've made here obviously they've been sucked up into litigation here in this country. Do you think apples and trouble here they they're definitely these these are new European rules. It's it's said it's not going to release Apple intelligence in the EU in 2024 due to regulatory uncertainties.

Met as pause this AI launch Europe after regulators raised privacy concerns. So what do you think about that. I think it's a problem there's sort of a collective action problem and that is for example if you don't get every kid under the age of 16 off the social media the kids that you do take off a social media are actually end up being.

And becoming more depressed because they're they feel isolated and there's a bit of a collective action problem around regulation and that is does Europe end up with sort of a hamstrung version of these products. And then the company is kind of buying together and start slowballing roll outs and not hiring.

I you know it's sort of the race to the bottom and to secretary Yellen and Biden's credit they did a amp basically an alternative minimum tax on corporations of 15% across EU and kind of G 20 countries because if they didn't do that everybody just keeps doing their double Dutch sandwich and issuing their IP to the lowest tax state.

And so I think that the EU is feeling a little bit I don't know what the term is punished I think these they're collectively the big tech firms when I saw this or shut a weekend each other and saying we're bigger than Europe and we'll just start slow rolling stuff and have it two sets of products. Now whether that creates an opening for competitive products we'll see I think Mr. Al the company on France is actually going to succeed because you've talked about this company.

But I'm I'm blathering on here. What are your thoughts on it? I haven't really thought it through. You know it's more it's this idea that we do have to have a laws in this country right this is still that Europe is sort of leading the way you know I talked about it to a number of people there in.

Con you know this Europe shouldn't be leading the way on these things and obviously there's lawsuits here in this country having to apple and and this at some point this app store issue will come to ahead and this country will take 109 years and it has in court with.

With a bunch of you know a bunch of different cases but I think the question is at some point they can't keep making the idea that they're providing safety on a large platform and it's fair trade and everything else because they really do have a strangle.

Hold on the market and so there must be some I've always thought apple would negotiate an end to this right rather than do anything but I suspect that they're just not going to release it and you're just because they won't you know there's one and I you know I don't know whether our government has the here you know has the heft to really keep pushing through all these

and it's whether it's meta or apple or you know any of these companies and but eventually you know they'll be discovery is just what it takes so long to stop the juggernaut from happening and speaking of which apple and meta long time adversaries might be teaming up in a new partnership you remember this a lot of testiness between Mark Zuckerberg and Tim Cook couple years ago about advertising but the two companies reported talking about integrating meta is generative AI model into apple intelligence according to the Wall Street Journal AI start up Santhropic.

And perplexity are also in talks with apple perplexities and a lot of hot water for for scraping like Forbes is articles and we talked about that previously. You know I think as we talked about these companies apple will be the the gatekeepers are right word or what would you how would you characterize it and you know does it bring more anti trust scrutiny by doing all these.

They haven't done one with probably Google will probably do a deal with its Gemini model i think metas is an open source model they're going to be like. The everything store i guess for these things. I see it is passing out free crack into the kind of the rich kids and that is they're saying okay if you want we are the gatekeeper. And we have custody of the billion wealthiest and most influential customers in the world that's ios users it's so disproportionately influential ios versus android.

And i think what they're doing is they said we're going to work with multiple players and we'll give a little taste of crack and what it's like and they'll try out their their LLM's with the bike most sophisticated most influential biggest spending group right. And then i think where this is headed is all to the same place it was headed with search and then they're going to say all right we're going to flip the model and say who wants so access.

Or maybe they'll go you know put them all there and hide them. Yeah or or do like you know the sponsorships thing thing you know the Olympic the Olympic games is brought to by our diamond sponsor exon and our platinum sponsor you know but there i think there's i think apple someone i don't know who it is but someone is.

And i think what they're doing here is saying okay give everyone a taste of what it's like to hang with the cool kids and we're basically the endgame here and 12 for us right what works best for 100% yeah because they have to they have to have a safer environment for sure.

But i think where this is all headed is in 12 or 24 months they're going to have a Google like licensing agreement where they're going to just create billions if not tens of billions of high margin licensing revenues to these LLMs that are all looking to stand out because if you're say your anthropic right and you're kind of losing that you're falling behind to chat GPT.

I mean how much would it be worth to you if your company goes public it's a 150 billion dollar market cap. Do you would you be willing to take a 5% dilution that would be 7.5 billion dollars and give it to apple for two years exclusive access to the billion most influential consumers in the world. I think that's how they're positioning themselves by making them the default position i'm just looking for some reason my search engine change to duck duck go I must have done you did that.

I don't recall doing it but it usually is Google Google was the the default one on there right now i'm just looking at it is Yahoo being and. Accusia which I don't even know what that is but it's sitting there i'm going to go try it I guess so you know apples not paying the first deal which was widely touted apple with open AI apples not paying open AI obviously to feature chat GPT it's like a big marketing event for open AI in apple intelligence nor is.

Open AI paying apple but at some point you know who's getting paid they're not apple apple is so I suspect that's going to be the same financial relationships. It's apple is the kingmaker here in a lot of ways it's a smart there you know it's interesting because all these media companies are negotiating with these people for using L.

L. L. and then they'll got a small amount of money this is where the big money is going this is where the big fucking money is going I just interviewed great Craig Peters from getty today we had a great discussion about this because he's suing some people he's cooperating with some people but it's really hard because you know he's a media company so his shares are way off the you know his customers are in.

In a free fall his form you know all the media companies and so it's hard it's hard to compete as a media company so this is going to make the money is the apple apples can apples going to get richer well and I think analyst immediately went to the white

mead here and they saw the same thing that that we're seeing and they said okay apples positioning themselves for another enormous licensing deal similar to Google and the stocks up 10% since announced apple intelligence and I don't think it's whoa I don't

think it's really is. Yeah it's hit an all time high and I don't think it's on the back of wow this is a great product I think said oh we see what you're doing you're not going to spend tens of billions of dollars trying to build your own LLM you're just going to go to the highest bidder let them cost savings costs and then they're bidding out and you're going to reap all this money you're going

to say all right you guys jump on your price swords and we're going to we're going to start a bidding war and all of this is going to have the bottom line so I in their stock was you'll think of apple intelligence not all these individual people because I guess I do think of

ggoogle maps when I get to another me although I've heard that apple maps are gotten a lot better so I may go see how that experiences they've had a 300 million dollars in market capitalization since the apple intelligence and it's not because people think apple intelligence so cool I think it's because they sense they're about to become the new gatekeepers to the deepest pockets in the world all right Scott let's go on a quick break and we get back look ahead to this week's

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Scott we're back Joe Biden and former president don't Trump are set to face off on Thursday for the earliest presidential debate in modern history by like a lot.

By CNN moderated by Jake tap a Jake tap and Dana bash with the first time Biden and Trump have gone head to head or been in the same rooms since our last debate in October of 2020 I don't think they like each other a Maris poll from last week shows a dead heat between the candidates and actually a guidance was up a little bit he's been going up a little bit including a Fox News poll which is making president Trump

and former president Trump loses mind which is not very far to go so let's talk about strategic Scott now here you are going into this debate I talked about a little bit on Chris wall show this week but what is the

is the strategy just for some more background RFK junior did not make the cut for the debate falling short and ballot qualification and polling is making a lot of noise the debate rules just for people to know and then I love your thoughts on this no live audience no props allowed on stage microphones will be muted when it's not a candidate

who wants to speak I believe they have two minutes Biden won the coin toss and selected his podium position on the right side of the screen Trump then shows to have the last word in closing statements so so what do we think give me a give me a what Biden should this is the question is that it was a good one does this does this setup help which one from the fewer the marketing guy here figuring out sort of the optics of it which one do you think this set helps oh it's total team Biden

Trump is so quick and outrageous on his feet and so place the crowd and tickles people sensors and all I owe that him constantly interrupting people it just throws the other person off you know off culture so them shutting off the mic is totally advantageous to Biden is it there would be some crazy I think Democrats tend to be a little bit more civil to maybe maga people he's not going to show up with a bunch of people who the key I mean do you know

the bullshit yes member del clinton yeah so he creates a side show in a carnival which throws the other person off their feet and the strategy here is really simple OK let's talk about the economy I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't go to let me get what is the one thing Biden should avoid and one thing he should lean into and what is the one thing Trump should avoid and lean into if I were Biden I would stay away from the Trump court cases I think that people

will go there on their own and I don't think he I think he wants to talk about the economy and bodily autonomy and how he is he is actually taking action against immigration I would go very very almost conservative and hard right on immigration and say now if the Republicans would only help me solve the crisis of the border and I would talk about the economy I'll talk about numbers would be very kind of adult almost like an economist and I would end the

debate with the following awkward pause my last question to our viewers tonight after thanking CNN is do you have daughters and I would just leave the air empty for a few seconds very good I like you know I'm not going to let my age take advantage he's not waiting like that and so he just should have a joke in his pocket though about his age if Trump goes I don't

got some cognitive dingity dogs happening constantly now yeah I mean he should have a couple he should have pre-packaged two or three and when someone that beige you should come up with you know say like like we're you know we're both probably consumers of catheters I would make jokes that they remind everybody that the guy across the stage from

me is also really fucking old folks so yeah you hate us both whatever whatever you want to talk about but him not having a hot mic and if I were Trump I would talk a lot about what's happened on universities when Democrats take over institutions and what's happened and democratically controlled cities that's

where I would focus if I were if I were if I was a chaos crime and chaos sort of the Nixony kind of thing well the most dem I mean the arguments they should make and this is what media they should fall every day is this is what happens when democratically controlled leadership takes over an institution look it's what's happened to our elite universities this is what happens when Democrats get control of the city even if it has a ton of money this is what happens is a is it go

to the country to be I realize that's not fair I realize you love San Francisco that is just from a perception standpoint okay yeah go ahead it's changed but I agree I agree I agree I might be wonderful I'm just talking pure perception yeah I got

yeah people who've never been there for some reason think it's a hellscape right now unfairly or fairly and also to be fair like Portland and Seattle are really I have been to those cities recently they've changed a lot they have they have I agree with you so so one of the things

that what should Trump not do because when some people think he will be calmer where and you can't be jacked up that's the thing and so he'll be the you were called the first debate with Biden and this is a long time ago he was you know kuku for cocoa puffs really you know stand back and stand by interruptive crazy and all Biden had to say is come on man you know he kept doing and Biden sort of won that debate the second one he looked like he was drugged and calmer

what some people think no live audience no props microphones muted will make him into reasonable Trump yeah I don't I don't know I mean that I would never advise it's like Michael Michael Jackson used to show up with one glove and grab his crotch I don't think any

amount of prep would have told him to do it and yet it was genius at the time you're like okay it works for him I don't know how much of a lot of people are trying to do this Trump because every piece of advice I would have would be try and act more sane because that's people's fear around you and try not to be all over the place try and focus on try and come across is people you want to look at points of distinction and then press on those points of distinction the reason Biden will if

he's a commander in chief that is the only reason he will lose and so you want to press on that and so Trump wants to come across is distinctly more robust and young and part of that is hot cognitive capability so if I was preparing Trump I would say you need to have command of the of the issues you need to come across is somewhat saying you need to come across as youthful and vigorous laugh poke fun of yourself and have real command of the data you need

to draw sharp relief between you and the old man the problem is like everywhere he goes he's missing words now he's doing a lot of stuff and obviously his family history this but of dementia but one of the things that I think is problematic and I spoke to a lot of people in that CEO summit now look they're going to back Trump because good for them and tax cuts let me just say and someone who is there saying they thought he was crazy they're still

going to back him right he was losing words he was going off on tangents this was a crowd that was welcoming to him this CEO group the business around table and and we're was willing to like overlook the insurrection kind of stuff for for a tax cut and I talk to a number of people who are like whoa like whoa like that kind of thing so I think that's where I don't know how much he has control over that or is willing to do that I

think one of the things he cannot do is talk about losing the election that's whether he's a great point he cannot cannot look backwards but he can't get off of that I I you stole the election you stole the election if he does that it's a huge opportunity for Biden by needs to be ready to go and go okay 43 cases zero credibility you know just acts wise I have what's the difference between every what's the difference between us

and the other nation we we have people who can see the like you know and Biden has to be ready to really like drive a train I can't help that I think it animates you probably right and then the other thing he's saying the last thing I'd say is he's all saying that Biden's getting a shot in the ass which means Trump is getting a shot in the ass right like everything he says I'm like oh that's what you're doing I mean Trump

looks like he's taking every drug in town like it feel like a Zampic it looks like he's using Biden needs to just the age old outage about being interviewed don't answer the question they ask answer the question you want to ask at some point he needs to just say the following Trump threatened to tried to ban tick tock and carve it up we have actually banned it or investing it with a plan that will pass muster that makes sense Biden constantly you

know you know Trump talks about safety in the Middle East we sent to aircraft carriers over there and we are we have so far sequester this becoming a more regional conflict he needs to say okay Trump talks a big game but we actually we actually you know we have some overlap here you agreed you thought tick tock was a national threat I want to give you credibility for it we've actually done something about it you talk a big game about being an ally to Israel we're actually the

real ally here one of us is as deployed an aircraft carrier there right yeah yeah I think that's true I think one of the interesting things going into the money raising now Trump is there they thought this would happen but he's raised 141 million in May Biden raised 85 million he was way ahead Biden 53 million came in from 24 hours after the hush money verdict of course he's really done very well by being a felon there's also I think that

ultimately even out and depends on where they spend it I don't know what else to say I don't think there's going to be a big difference between them Trump V peace speculation he's making a circus of it he revealed this weekend he knows who's pick will be although he hasn't told the person yet the future VP candidate will most likely be at the debate according to Trump current top contenders include senators JD Vance Marco Rubio and Tim Scott and North Dakota

governor Doug Burgham I think I settled on Burgham at this point you know he's managing to carry the water and not as nuts as the others I think he doesn't like Marco Rubio I think he thinks JD Vance will take

attention from him Tim Scott looks like a totty so it's so much so so it's suspected Spurvin South Dakota governor because you know what appears to be out of the running she indicated on meet the press over the weekend she's not a dog yeah I know he doesn't have a dog doesn't know I make sense

so any they just make a guess and then I'll ask you a last question about spring course decision I don't know I think it's probably going to be burgundy but just one last thing if I were on the Trump team I would hammer over and over I just to be snarky I would go I would go 100% I'd be like well president Harris and he's like you better get used to that this guy's going to be dead if he really wants to go gangster you'd say the following

you're not voting for Joe Biden you're voting for president Harris strap your head around that because she's deeply unpopular yeah I think you're right I hate to say but I think that would work really well we'll see if he comes up with it meanwhile we're still waiting for the spring course decision on the Trump immunity case what in the world are they doing over there spring court the next batch of opinions will be released on Wednesday they've got a lot to go

and they've got a very short term to do it in the day before the debates we get a decision then the immunity decision I think they're probably like wrangling over it right I think Alito's been hurt probably with the flag situation but in terms of power but I suspect they're trying to come I have this feeling that Amy Coney Barrett's just not going along with the boys at this point on this kind of thing but who knows

she seems to have formed relationships with the other women on the court which is interesting what do you think of this not an abortion obviously but what do you think is this affected I don't know the thing you said it was sort of interesting is that what you just made a an argument for was lifetime appointments I think they should do what they do in Brazil and the Supreme Court there has mandatory retirement age of 75 oh my God think about it you have to

leave when you're 75 what generally happens is or what you hope happens is that people just should become a political and show a fidelity to the Constitution or the beliefs or what have you and they're not going to be intimidated by anyone I haven't seen that I've always thought justice Barrett I don't know I think that's a wishful thinking that she's citing I know I know but lately she has been I don't know it's just

interesting I think she's gotten hanging around other people and she's so smart like let's be honest I mean godly or not she's a smart sharpest attack yeah she's pretty much it'll be I don't I don't know I just think is she's probably with the judge Jackson who's also oh Jesus what a brain I suspect that's the thing that appeals to her even religious gals who are brainy love the brainy part more than anything

ultimately I don't know that's my wishful thinking is that they're all having like they're like hanging and squatting up or something I don't know by the way you said something that's struck so trying clear mind and just first answer Biden Harris Trump Bergen or Tapper Bash who would you

rather be president and vice president seriously Dan a bash you kidding I love Dan I think Dan is fantastic I think Jake is fantastic if I'm not I'm not exaggerating I know younger probably if if if if and maybe I'm being sexist because I immediately thought of Jake Tapper as the president

and Dan as the number two but quite frankly I think they're both super impressive thoughtful people who know how to take a tap of a president if they were on the ticket if they were on the ticket yeah that they got my vote that I told you I vote for those two should be on stage I want you

asking the question I want cubes to run that's what I want just because I want to go yeah because I just want to look you and I will be staying together in Lincoln bedroom it'll be nice he will he'll he'll be in the race for 2028 when he starts bragging about paying his taxes he's clearly

positioning up for a run and I hope you're very articulate about all kinds of issues super smart super impressive yeah probably there'll be it what 2028 unless Trump wins and runes democracy will be really interesting on both parties will be really it's change it'll change here

and maybe we'll all be a little better who knows all right let's bring in our friend of pivot Bernie Brown is the host of two Vox media podcasts unlocking us and dare to lead Bernie welcome to pivot and the Vox media podcast family I'm so glad to be with y'all

I've been listening and y'all have recently been in the south of France I wish I'd been there with you well next year next year we'll all go together and we'll we'll go get on Scott's zodiac and ride around and everything oh my god I'm so in you know Scott had said he was gonna take me on it

and also attack met a beach and he ended up sort of just wandering up to the Pinterest beach there so it was a less than an accident anyway so let's start so you took a break from podcasting for over a year and recently returned so you said you returned in part

because you missed the conversation so talk about that because many people don't walk away from talking okay wow we're just going right there yeah I you know my mom died on Christmas morning oh no six or seven months ago after a very shitty battle with dementia and during that period of time

I noticed how susceptible and vulnerable I was to the influencer industrial complex online like you know you can't when you have a parent with dementia it's very and you're you know your my age you're you forget a song lyric and you're like fuck it's here I'm next and so I would I would be scrolling on Instagram and it would and of course it knows exactly what I'm thinking about what I'm doing and it would say you know

do you have a family member with dementia are you worried about it for yourself one tablespoon of castor oil you know prevents to me you know and I just realized even as a social scientist how vulnerable I was to that and then inevitably I'd be scrolling and I'd see myself and it would be this nuance conversation that was clipped down in a way that made me seem so certain and so sure about something that I almost couldn't

stand seeing myself as a part of that because I mean I think I think there is something on social media around advice giving that is so predatory and I just I needed a break I just needed to step away from it I need to just I need to step away from talking and it's interesting because I have I get asked to do podcasts all the time but now we don't do them if they include video if we don't have clip approval

Oh smart that's interesting well this is like perfect Scott I got to bring you in right now this is sort of Scott's area discussion we talked about this all the time the vulnerability of of this experience online Scott Well I was I was actually going to go I'll get to that bid I was described it to most seminal events in my life for birth and death the birth of my sons and the death of my mother I'm just curious having lost

your mother recently and it sounds like that was not a I don't want to call it a bad death but an extended hard death for the people around her like how have you changed your approach to life are you more you know what has changed in terms of the way you see the world and on a day to day basis how you allocate your time and your approach to life since the death of your mother.

Yeah I mean it was a shit death it was a jagged edge death it was a death by a million pieces you know I think even when she died I was shocked that she was never going to come back and be okay again yeah it's so final yeah that's weird and then it creeps up on me in

really different ways like my send just graduated from high school and I was like oh my god my mom's gonna love this picture and I think I think I don't know I don't think it's a coincidence that that happened and my first the first book I bought besides some like spiritual contemplations on grief was the book 4,000 weeks have do you know that book I don't tell us about it it's really interesting he was a productivity writer I think for one of the guardian or one of the UK newspapers

and he was the one saying you know you know task bought you know box things up do this the the Pomodaro method he did all that and then at some point he said shit we only have 4,000 weeks if we're lucky and the more productive you are the more bullshit you have to do and this productive this productivity thing is such and this is where I loved his work the productivity piece is such armor around protecting vulnerability and the fact that our time is finite and we really

have best case scenario 4,000 weeks and so I think I started doing a lot of work with a coach and my therapist around what's important to me and what's not and my discernment button was broken and so now I'm really trying to become very discerning about and that's hard for me first born code name

you're pleasing right you're pleased all this a 4 yeah yeah it's a it's a blessing I'm gonna drink I actually do that with some people when it whenever I decided to what their way see I have a very big sense of death as you know constantly and one I was I tell a story one person I was working with

I was like I just don't you I don't want to talk to you anymore because you're taking up minutes of my life like I'm very aware of the minutes that you know I'm taking this take on me or things I don't like and I stop them because I am very aware of the moments which I think social media and online is one of them like 100% some of which I like some which I enjoy and in like videos for example I like a lot of funny videos but most of the time that's it's very

difficult for people to because so much rushes to fill and one of the things you were talking about was the negative effects of social media you do talk about for years and particularly loneliness and you know we've been hearing a lot of ideas lately I had to reduce those harms the search and don't oppose warning labels New York governor Kathy Hockles just signed a bill regulating social media algorithms for kids I'm just curious how to for yourself and do you think any of these solutions

because a lot of the time suck is social media and advice giving and I agree with you on the predatory aspects of it this is how you should live here's five areas to say you know that make your life happier etc. I mean I think I mean it's a multi pronged predator because it's not just the time suck of scrolling it's what we're ingesting knowingly and unknowingly while we're scrolling and it's about it talking about the biggest discernment button that we're up against

talking about breaking every sense of our connection to self in desperate pursuit of a counterfeit per you know connection with others that's social media I mean you want to lose yourself it reminds me of like when I was really young and I was you know you'd be dating guys in college they're like what what what music do you know I'm gonna date myself here but like who's your favorite band like Boston oh mine too what's your favorite book yeah what's it a feeling

yeah what about yeah well Boston is actually one of my favorite bands but yeah and then somewhere down the line you're dating this guy for like three months and you're like shit man I don't like any of this shit we're doing yeah I don't

like your music I don't like where you like to eat but talking about losing the connection to who you are and your capacity for discernment discernment that's got do you I'm just curious you you talk a lot about vulnerability you have a huge social media following have you found that social media in

your presence on social media has been a creative to your mental health or damaging to your mental health and how have you responded in terms of your own approach to something like damaging oh devastating yeah just devastating I'm not I'm not built for this at all I am okay but you have five million followers on Instagram so you have embraced it so how do you modulate it and cope with it asking for a friend yeah no I am let me just tell you for sure so I I have

I have five million followers on Instagram if I pulled up my phone right now and went to my followers and scroll down to the bottom I would get a note from Instagram that said somewhere between a hundred and three hundred of those are suspicious and should be deleted in mass like I don't know who these people are and if I had to do it over again I would have done things so differently I don't post on the feed anymore I only post in stories because there's no

comments we we you know I paid a lot of money for a moderation team external and I'll tell you why I had to do that because I could not protect the mental health of the internal moderation team in our organization I couldn't do it I couldn't protect them I mean these these were things like so you're damaging the mental health of a bunch of people in the Philippines sorry couldn't resist no no no in fact we were actually really careful about that this was a US

company very nuanced but it only lasted I think we were out of the contract now I it's not real I mean I will tell you this when I got into I got into a desktop I have to be careful legally here because I'm still under I got in a desktop with Spotify publicly you did I did and during that period of time I probably received a hundred death threats a hundred death threats a few had Scott it was Scott had similar does yeah no I mean and things like I'm

gonna kill your children in front of you and a lot of it was mostly like bald eagle avatar things and we have because of the size of the followings that we have on the different platforms we have liaisons that we work with and you know when we call they're just like you are in the crosshair of some very serious bots probably Russian and we can't stop it and so I went off Twitter three or four years ago yeah I did a year ago yeah I went like way before the Elon musk

bullshit I was just like you know why as part of the Spotify desktop I didn't interview with a first amendment specialist from the ACLU and in that interview he called Twitter a dopamine casino which I thought was like yeah we call it a Nazi porn bar but go or the sewage system of a sewer yeah yeah I mean that's it comfortable talk I had a dust up with with with Spotify I'm curious what you're if you're comfortable and you don't have to bring it up again but

with the content or the cracks of the dust up was I was just I was caught in the everyone thought it was actually like some kind of weird beef with me and Joe Rogan but it was I was caught up in what is the responsibility of a platform around missing disinformation we're the same person I pulled prop G off of I would I had a close I'm just you know I'm very good at turning everything back to me but I I lost someone dear to me to COVID and I just couldn't handle

their lack of fact checking around bringing on total quacks to say mRNA vaccines all through your DNA and I thought okay I don't I don't deny their rights to first amendment but I don't have to paint their fucking fence and I pulled my

my podcast off anyways your turn now that's what was happening in my husband's a physician and we buried friends during the pandemic and I look sometimes today's conspiracy theory is the science of a decade later right and sometimes it's just dangerous bullshit that's right and I wanted to

understand and I think it actually came down to because there was no beef between in me and any other podcast host it just happened to be you know that happened to be happening a lot on certain podcasts where they'd have guests on and then it just actually came down to a question of what is the

responsibility of a podcast host to vet and let audience know this information has not been confirmed this is you know I don't know what it I don't know what it is but I am a huge first amendment person but and you have first amendment rights and I have them to not to support economically a

platform that is allowing misinformation to go viral so interestingly I you just did a whole podcast series on AI social media and tag very much and pivot wheelhouse was something I'd love to know what surprised you and he's kind of talk to me about this you said I'm about to do this and I was

I think it was just before you were doing it so tell me what you learned from it as someone who is not an expert by any means but certainly understands the social ask the social you know society part of it I mean if I did a qualitative analysis of pivot shows the learnings would be the same as this eight this was an eight episode heady deep dive yeah yeah what and the learnings would be the same one technology got there before policy and it's dangerous to the biggest

concern is the alignment issue who's at the table when you're developing AI it's just going to scale an equity at mass it's not a machine that controls for just you know disparity or it's just it's not that and so I think as Craig

Watkins who has a joint appointment at UT Austin and MIT has been studying AI for 20 years and I his question was probably one of the ones that really stuck in my mind which is who's at the table sitting with the computational mathematicians and the coders are the ethicists there are the people with

lived experiences that you're going to impact there are the liberal arts people there and so to me I mean I'm a big policy person I'm a government person actually I trust that that's the system that works when done well and works better than nothing at all regardless how

it's done but I think the technology is so far ahead of policy that everyone I talk to you said at some point we're going to go oh my oh my god did we really let this happen and I'm with y'all I'm bullish on a lot of it I love a lot of it where we have an AI internship program this summer to see

where we can deploy generative learning and you know large language models like I I love it and it's going to help but it's going to hurt in the process if we don't get the right people the table when it's being developed as did original technologies of every sort is it a

thing you know all of them electricity always hurts the motor vulnerable and then doesn't I just have one other question Renee I love talking to you by the way and I know you and Scott so much in comment early in the episode we discussed the upcoming presidential debate this election has been called the anxiety elections in a recent Yahoo you got holes 60% of respondents described themselves are very or somewhat anxious about the upcoming presidential election it's the same people

what do you tell people about that like how do you how how what is the coping mechanism given we have no choice it's all it's the same show again that we don't like right in general it's disturbing for one candidate for many of us

it's in the other side too you know they feel like you know I just Doug Burgham just called Biden a dictator which seems insane to me so people are using such strong terms and you know end of democracy etc etc your thoughts I I mean I listen to y'all's podcast all the time I don't think I've

ever I don't know that I've ever actually missed an episode I listen to it when I work yeah I really love it and I learn a lot and I disagree with a shit ton and I have a question for Scott before I get off okay good fantastic I was gonna say I know you disagree no I don't disagree it's I it's I have one new I'm used to it all right you get to ask that but anxiety general anxiety about this particularly which is coming you know it's coming out is so hard right now this

week this is this is the same thing about AI and AI has been around for a long time but I think the democratization of AI is what we're really talking about we're talking about this election we're building on a very cracked foundation so by and large I mean it's been 90% of my time in organizations working with leaders about what's happening people are not okay we are still not okay from the pandemic we're still not okay from the long overdue I don't even want to call it a racial reckoning

this is this is still happening we're not okay and so if you take a if any crisis like the pandemic is going to expose fault lines in systems and in countries our fault lines are exposed right now we're holding on as hard as we can as tight as we can and this thing is coming barreling toward us I think people that are into the geopolitical scene look at Europe right now as a very scary tale of what's happening especially just the right-wing reaction to

immigration primarily we've got two candidates that have very low trust factors on both sides and here's what I think is happening everywhere if I just take one second we are experiencing at the greatest level in my lifetime an amazing

lack of a sense of lack of agency and so people think that hope I mean I'm thinking about what you talk about Scott about the data you reference a lot about young men so we think hope is an emotion I'm hopeful is like a distance of possibility and potential but hope is actually not an

emotion hope is a cognitive behavioral process and this is all CR Schneider's work and hope is three pieces it's goal pathway and agency a person who scores very high on levels of hopefulness a has the capacity to set a goal B has a capacity to develop a pathway the best way to understand the nuance of pathway research is a person with high levels of hope is not afraid of plan B C D Q or Z if plan A goes to shit the pathway is someone who can really say

here's my goal if this doesn't work out I'm going to keep going I'm going to try this next and then the last part of hope so you've got goal pathway is agency I believe in my capacity to create change to do something for myself I've never seen the levels of hopelessness that I see right now

in people and I don't know if it's goal like if people are just rugged and saying what different does it what difference does it make I can't even I can't even I can't even contemplate a goal I don't know if it's pathway if people just don't see the plan B when the egg goes to hell

or if it's agency I don't know that I am capable of making change in my own life much less the world and so when we talk about the anxiety election I think we're a collective group of folks with high levels of hopelessness diminished agency and I think that's what's scary for us doesn't matter

like when people say it doesn't matter people are pissed off about you know people are pissed off about a certain Biden policy and there's a there's plenty to be pissed off about and the bear hug thing I'm over and I mean it's just it's just there's so many things to be upset about

but man what a privileged position in my mind to say I'm not going to vote you must you must be you must have some money tucked away yeah you must not be fighting oppression every single day what a privileged position to pick a moral superiority position

and not vote I can't even tell you I actually threatened my sons there was my sons first election and my other one I was like you must vote or we will not be going to college this is a guy this is guy coming after this is guy weirdly taking credit for you know ending reproductive rights

and women's autonomy of their bodies correct looking to go again and go harder he's doubling down yeah okay I have I have a question and and and I really want an answer that is I can get my head and my head and heart around y'all were talking about the Texas stock market

and I think you just completely nailed the marketing that's going to go with that I mean it's got like to see it's succeed from the union written on it a little bit like we're just gonna we're gonna become so independent of everything where can I find Scott an index

that shows what a state does for business because you you've been complimentary of how Texas has handled some business stuff around shareholder value and things like that but we also rank you know 50 at that of 50 and uninsured women it's a hard state to live in

we have a grid where people froze to death here a couple of years ago I mean I unfortunately have a lot of firsthand knowledge because my husband's a pediatrician where's the index that doesn't separate what you do for shareholder value with how you actually treat the citizens of your state

I love this question Scott first off that's a really generous question because there's an assumption there that I would have some insight I'm curious I thank you would okay so I would argue and I'd hate to defend Texas that the best index is net migration and Texas continues to draw more people despite all its problems people with options have can choose anyone of 50 states and more and more people are choosing Texas now would I choose Texas to send my

daughter to college if it wasn't a UT school I don't know but to your point these indices are really dangerous because when you see the S&P and the NASDAQ at all-time highs you're under the illusion that America is doing well no the NASDAQ and the NYC are just wealth indices for the top

1% and we need an index around obesity we need an indices around self-harm and those indices should be on CMBC every day nobody knows how many people have died of opioid overdoses or deaths so despair in the last week but everyone knows what the NASDAQ does every day

as a person who's not familiar with Texas who's only impression of Texas is data I get Texas has almost as many Fortune 500 companies as New York a lot of the exterior metrics are very flashing green light for Texas but I want to be I

want to acknowledge I don't know Texas I don't feel like I'm in a position to really evaluate some of the more thoughtful things that you're discussing I would never live in a state where if my daughter my wife my girlfriend had to leave the state to seek terminator pregnancy that for me is a

deal killer in terms of moving to a state but having said that there's more ewhals going into Texas than leaving right now but who's in them well that's a fair question but I you're seeing the bottom line is the city Houston's about to overtake Chicago is the third most popular city in the

world and real estate probably I just think it's hard to ignore then on a lot of metrics Texas is doing really well but is there have we not come to the place in our human development collectively where we can combine instruments of measurement yeah that are you know what I mean like that are

better metrics so the suicide rate and the self-esteem rate with the shareholder growth rate at the same time yeah because I'm wondering I I mean I'm wondering if the correlation is inverse Brunei you live in Texas yeah yeah okay so the retort would be Brunei you're a wealthy woman you have a lot of

influence you have a lot of options and every day you exercise the option to stay in Texas so answer the question why do you stay I mean proximity to family number one this generation yeah this generation my people are here um number two and if you're not if I'm not with my people it doesn't matter what's going on and like you know um but I think number two is Greg Abbott Patrick the folks running Texas right now are part of the it's it's part of the Trump thing too for me

and I wrote about this in 2015 it's part of the white male power over the last stand of that not not white male power I've you know I've got I'm raising a son is an amazing person but it's it's a type of power specifically of power over not power with and power

too but power over and I think one of the reasons I stay is I don't believe it's the same reason why you don't get to own America you don't get to own patriotism you don't get to own God you know and these folks don't get to own Texas that's not who we are whereas much Molly ivens and

Richards as we are these jack wagons you know and so well i mean yeah yeah but I think part of it is that I mean it's very difficult because governor Richards enormous leader huge great but great Texas but I will tell you if I think the progressives in the left

terribly underestimate the level of organization and control of the right I mean we are gerrymandered to the hilt all right I I 100% agree with you that people need more agency and I love what you said about I generally believe or we're siblings from another mother I'm actually older than you um

what if there was one thing you could do and I love that what you said that government matters and you like programs if there was one program you could implement magic wand to give agency back to young people and I I don't want to say especially young men but all young people that would lift up

votes including young men what would that one program be oh my god am I really ready for the shit that's going to come my way when I say this let me think about it for a second yeah i'll do it um yeah you know what mandatory national service for 18 to 20 percent

I love this woman I love this woman I mean I don't I'm not talking about military service I'm talking about old school any of that health care senior care all of it and and part of the part of the mandatory service would be I mean you have to understand like I you know

I have a really hard time I for 20 something years I taught just PhD in master students I just taught my first undergrad class a couple of years ago I did not realize the level of of uncertainty of avoidance in especially young men um the inability to

neuro biologically and nervous system what nervous system handle the just awkward looking looking people in the eye I mean I we did reading the room reading the room just just like you know can I break up with you know my kids can we break up over text absolutely not

um we're going to this funeral oh my god that my friend is like crying it's awkward yeah you're gonna look them in the eye and you're gonna cry with them and you're gonna build the neural pathways to handle the discomfort of what it means to be in deep connection with other people

and that's what's missing people we really are biologically changing our capacity for connection because of our intolerance for discomfort and love is hard and friendship is hard and roommates are hard and light you know in job interviews are hard and the anxiety people feel

that keep them so avoidant they chase they stay at home that's also real there's a reason romantic comedies are two hours not fifteen minutes right this shit is hard this shit is just the ability to look someone in the eye who's in pain and not diminish it

and not try to make it better but just be with people um and I don't you know people blame the kids we're talking about a generation that we raised that's correct that is correct this shit is real brinei I love you I'm so glad to introduce you to for a lifelong love affair yeah my next podcast I know brinei brinei I can see it yeah you can change in brinei you can take them all right brinei be sure to check out her other voxmi we're thrilled you're back and we're thrilled you're back for the

conversation ignore everything else but your conversations are always amazing I appreciate them myself she did a great job for me when it was in Chicago we had a wonderful conversation you're just a national treasure unlocking us and dare to lead brinei brown and scott galloway I'm so glad to

introduce you thanks for nae bye off thanks scott is she great or what yeah I mean well one I agree with absolutely everything she said but also I respect and I think there's a lesson here on communication I'm a huge fan of the pregnant virgion awkward pause she doesn't I love that

it's saying it's saying I take you seriously I take the question seriously and the response you're about to get it's thoughtful yeah and I didn't learn that until I was in my forties around public speaking and just regular discourse that when someone asks you a question it's not a prompt to just

start making noise they used to think about the question and if you don't have an answer if it's not an easy one it's okay to take some time and she does it to a dramatic effect she's smart she's doing it she's she's it's a I don't want to say it's performative but I do the same she

does it she does it to create a little bit of drama but excellent person excellent person knock knock who's there impatient cow impatient cow where did that go bro that's it it's a perfect joke impatience to jump in etc can I tell you a clear joke what did the what did the cookies say to the doctor

I know the answer I like dad jets would go ahead what I feel I feel crummy when I ask my wife to say something that would mean me feel bad and good at the same time what did she say what did you say your penis is bigger than your brothers

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fucking back these people they're like they're like mold I don't know what else to say look you can be religious god love you you know what I mean but keep it out of schools that's the whole like I just can't believe they're just gonna lose as it did before and then we're gonna spend all our

energy on something that has already been litigated but they just refuse which makes me know that they're coming back for gay marriage and everything else just like what is wrong with you like just let people to be their own thing if you're not if you're not Christian you it's offensive to you

as you should respect other people's religions that's the I mean honestly I just I don't know what to say and a win I think getting Megan Rapinoe and Sue Bird on to the Vox Media podcast network I think that was great they they were at lunch with us in France and also they threatened to overtake

us Megan was right there saying he's gonna kick our ass which was nice and typical you left before the picture taking but we took a lovely picture together and so we're thrilled to have all these badass ladies at the box and also Andrew Igbo Dollars there and pre as usual our best

run pre so just really nice to add this I'm glad Bernays back and I'm thrilled Megan and Sue are also there because that great great thinkers also very different they're not immediately gonna go to left or right they're just very and world class athletes these world class yeah

yeah incredible incredible athletes incredible anyway those are my wins and bills nice um okay so I have a couple wins in one fail um the US Senate passed a bipartisan bill 88 to two that never happens to accelerate the deployment of nuclear energy capacity by speeding permitting and creating new

incentives for advance nuclear reactor technologies it will now go to Biden for his signatures expected to sign it I don't understand nuclear was the worst managed brand in the world and it's really hurt us we started closing nuclear facilities in California Germany decided

of the green movement the for some reason I mean it is this is you got to pick your poison there's no perfect energy but this is an outstanding fairly clean source of energy and as evidenced by the fact that we're just gonna have so much more appetite for energy I think it's great I love

the my favorite bumper sticker is more people have died in Ted Kennedy's car than in any nuclear power plant America and that's from the 70s I wish remember that or the 80s anyways I'm a huge fan of nuclear I just think it's yeah me too get on it um another win this is just I just read this

and I was just so blown away by house smart the guys are at Netflix they've announced earlier this week two permanent Netflix house experience venues houses yeah we talked about that and they're creating 50 live experiences across the globe they're gonna try and emulate

competitors a little bit the they did they've done stranger things pop-ups yeah pop-ups yeah um but I think it's great I do it's a great idea so if you think of if you think of strategy you want scenario planning and okay this works or this doesn't work well if it doesn't work it's

great marketing and that's how they're positioning it they're not saying we're going we're trying to be with Disney we're opening parks they're saying we're gonna do some temporary experiences too you want to look at pain points and the existing pain points around Disney a 10 billion dollar

ubiquitous franchise is the one it's probably five or 10 grand for a family of four and two it's even more time expensive you really need two or three days you go to a giant suburb of Orlando or Tokyo or Paris and it's the seventh ring of hell and you're trapped there for two days spending

five to 10 grand for a family of four and they've said okay we can open an urban locations we can buy now abandoned malls for pennies on the dollar or lease them I should say we got stranger things we can have Bridgerton I mean they're just gonna do and if it doesn't work it was good marketing and then they let it fade to black it's time one and two year leases a great terms and if it does work they could end up with the same sort of flywheel that everyone talks about Disney and if you think

about Disney parks when you think about the amount of EBITDA they spin off and I would argue when you go to Disneyland it's really not a ton different than if you went 20 years ago it's kind of the same rides the same lines are too long the food that's my big beef with Disney is the food and they've been able to in my opinion capture unearned margin because of the modes I just think this is so smart on behalf of Netflix anyways Netflix house is strategically just a great win and then my loss is

I think Democrats if we're gonna try and if we're gonna win this election we need to have sober conversations with ourselves and I think that essentially the jury that found Hunter Biden guilty was right he was guilty the jury that found Donald Trump guilty was right he was guilty but it was

it was a misallocation those neither of those cases should have been brought the reason they were brought was one was an unpopular former president and one is an unpopular president's son and I think that Democrats don't want to admit and they need to acknowledge that the case in

New York was a disaster for us both in terms of what the polls both in terms of fundraising and I feel as if there's a lack of sober conversations around what the data says and what's working and what isn't working around the election and so my general loss is that I get the sense that Democrats

put hands over their you know hands over their ears and over their eyes and don't have honest conversation around what is really going to be required to win here as opposed you know we're constantly looking for excuses for Biden and rationalizations as opposed to really being in a war

room and saying okay this is what is actually going down and what has happened uh so it's more a less I feel as if when I talk to Democrats both in the both in the in the White House and in the campaign that they're not honest with themselves they don't have a sober conversation around what

the data reflects here anyways um the the the the key to winning a war is you have to put yourself in the shoes of the enemy and empathize with them and be very honest about what the data says and uh I think what happens with generals and what happened with Putin and every general with the

loses of war is the incentives are to tell the general and the president what they want to hear and I think that's going on here I don't think Democrats have realized just what a terrible 90 days this has been for us we have gone from outraising leading in all the poll leading in all

the swing space to now they are outraising us and they have pulled ahead we were not leading we were not leading but go ahead and then in the swing states we were no no by a lot but go ahead 90 days ago yeah okay um so anyways my fail is that I don't think the the whatever you call it the village

elders of the Democratic Party yeah uh I think we're in denial about what's going on here is what you're saying tough love is data driven love we got to kill we got to kill we got to kill we kill we kill um that's a great one that's a great one I agree with all of them and you and I are going to have Bridgerton moment experience and we're going to dress up and do the menu at it's going to be great I gotta think they have ethnically ambiguous people and corsets who just rip off their clothes and

start fucking I'd pay for that I would pay for that okay all right on that note on the phone uh we want to hear from you watch this season it's so good we want to hear from you send us your question to know if they've found the ring tin send us your questions about business tech or whatever's

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