Putin, you've compared him to Hitler. Do you think he's similar? Hey, President Trump, open eyes, please. People have underestimated you. Even when you knocked out Anthony Joshua, he's just not this guy Sparker. I love being down the top though. If you knock him out, you not only will change the media narrative. but you will go down in boxing legend it's going to be a bloodbath it's going to be totally different from last time can't wait to put on the show and become undisputed
and just do the business. This is London. This is my town and Wembley is my stadium. I'm just ready to win. Ready for war. at Wembley Stadium in June for the undisputed world heavyweight title. They're two titans of heavyweight boxing, his recent defeats of Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua have made this one of the most anticipated fights of the year, if not many years.
Well, the last two boxers to sit in the uncensored studio were Chris Eubank Jr. and Connor Benn, who had to be separated by their security guards. Hopefully that won't have to happen this time. Well, Alexander Usyk and Daniel Dubois join me now. Welcome to both of you. Thank you very much for being here.
Let me just ask you, Daniel, I mean, you're sitting two and a half feet away from a man that in July you're going to be trying to knock out. Yeah. When you get to this stage before a... how does this feel to be that close to that guy it's like a switch being in a fight mode and right now i'm just I'm just ready to get all this stuff out of the way so I can get back to what I know I do best. But right now, I'm just chill.
Ready for a fight, though. Is there anything that he could say to you that would trigger... Maybe. We don't know. We don't know yet. Alexander, how do you feel? It's an unusual... I feel good. Do you mind being this close? No problem. No problem. Listen, you know, it's like... Ship. Ship and the toolbox. Like a wolf said, like, relax. Is there anything that he could say to you? No, no, no. It's not like this. It's like, for example.
Now I'm just relaxed. Everything OK. Now show. You both had an extraordinary couple of years. You've come back from losing. Well, we're going to come to that, whether you think you lost or not in the first fight with the alleged low blow. I have a view. I'll express it. But when you knocked out Anthony Joshua, that was the punch that went around the world. That was the punch that said, you are not only back... You're the champ. And now you're taking on the guy who's got the other belts. Yeah.
How confident are you that you can beat him? Very confident. Very, very confident. But why? He's never lost. I believe I'm going to be the first man to do it. And do it in England, do it in London, it's all. I don't want to go on too much, but I feel like...
It's all built, all this road, all of what I've been through has led me to this point to become my Undisputed Champion and do it in London and back at Wembley, so I can't wait. A lot of great fighters have tried to knock him out. None of them have succeeded. When you look at him, does that not concern you, that this guy's just made a planet? Not really. I see another opponent. To me, I feel like it's going to be a bloodbath in there. It's just going to be war, and I'm going to go to war 100%.
You know, no doubt in my mind I'm coming out of Victoria. Alexander, you've heard this talk before from other fighters. You've always won. But the way he knocked out Anthony Joshua, did that tell you that you're going to have to be on your top game when you fight? Это отличный бой. Джошуа, Миллер, Хругович. Очень сильные бойцы. I'm not Anthony, not Miller, not Horgović. I'm just Aleksandr Rusik, White Rabbit. What's the difference? What makes you different?
Why have you... What's my difference? Yes, why have you never lost a fight? Because I have, like, this beautiful team. Anthony Joshua don't have, Miller don't have, Horgovic too don't have.
But how have you got such good teeth? I don't... That's an extraordinary... thing you've just shown it's it's my mama and papa my uh my little daughter uh one year or two months have like this really yeah i have for four child yeah only small daughter have really yes like this like me i say bad it's and not bad because it's it's a woman yeah Okay, I pay you again, no problem. You mentioned family. The one thing that you both have very much in common when I've studied your life story...
is tremendously influential father figures. And I'll come to your father shortly, Alexander, but first of all, Daniel, for you, your dad's an extraordinary character. So he had 11 children by two wives. A number of them have become successful, not least in boxing. I think four of them are boxing. You're obviously the most successful. But your dad was this remarkable guy. He was a Camden market trader. Yeah. He spots a little gap in the market, which he thinks he can exploit. Yeah.
with a kind of Caribbean, I think, and African heritage. Yes. So he goes to New York with his posters that he's created. for I think five pence a poster. Yes. And he sells them for the equivalent of two pounds. Yeah. And on day one, up in Harlem, in New York... he sells four grand's worth of these posters. Yeah. And then he stays and he stays and he stays, and he's making millions of dollars selling these posters.
all from an idea he had at Camden Market. It's an incredible story. Truly, truly is. What did he give you? What has he given you? Without him, I wouldn't be here without his idea. Another idea would put me into boxing. You said he knew before you were born? Yes. He had a sort of spiritual thing. Yes. That you were going to be a world boxing champion before you were born. For sure. And here you are. Truly remarkable, special man. Like I said...
I'm lucky enough to have witnessed him in action selling these artworks. I've seen him just fly off the walls. You know, he puts them up and everyone wants them and everyone's, you know, tearing their posters off the wall. I want more and more. It's really spiritual and a magical moment for me, you know, when I can see him at work using his...
It was beautiful. He brought up seven of you on his own. Yeah. And from an early age, he made you go through training with your knuckles. Yeah. Where you would get on your knuckles and you'd do press... For how many hours each time? Four, four, three, four hours. Without a break? Nonstop, yeah. With no water, no food, no break? four hours of press-ups on your knuckles. Yeah. I can barely do one. With food. With water. Yeah.
Some would say, what's your father doing putting you through that? He would say, because I've heard him say it in interviews, I was turning him into a world champion. What did you feel when you were doing it? Just, I love, when I was doing it, when I first started, I just loved the idea of I can reach, do this amount of push-ups.
train for this amount of time, you know, and you just go into your own world at that time. And, you know, to be honest, I can't put into words how happy and glad I was able to do that. But it must have been... Torturous, wasn't it? At the time, sometimes it was, but... Look at your knuckles now. Yeah. So these are the... They're the marks. They're the tools of the trade. They're the marks. You can see it. Yeah.
Just from that? From when you were a kid? It's given me a special kind of power what a lot of other people don't have. Well, they say that every great champion in any sport... Yeah. Every great champion, you can pretty well chart it back to a period when they're...
they have a hunger which comes from actual hunger. In other words, you don't have very much. You had a lot of kids to go round, a lot of mouths to feed. You didn't really have any money problems because your dad was making so much money. But clearly you had that hunger. Yeah. Because of what you were going through with the push-ups every day. Big time. Big time. We had that hunger.
That hunger, the drive, the guidance from my dad and just the love of sport and being able to make him happy and make him proud of me, that's all I needed to do. drive me on and you know the father's love you know the father the son and it's just from there here we are what what i haven't read much about your mother but what what part has your mother played in all this yeah she's been there supportive and she's seen witness it all and it's been you know um i can't say but
It's been just remarkable for everyone. My dad's just been the guidance for everyone in my family. Alexander, your father very sadly died in 2012, and it's particularly sad because you just won the Olympic gold medal for Ukraine, and you got a call from your father after you won. And he congratulated you. And he told you for the first time that he loved you.
And before you could get back to see him with your medal... and you in fact had delayed your trip back to get a beautiful car, which you wanted to show him. And you've always regretted that you did that because you might have got back to see him otherwise. But your father, again, was clearly a massively important figure in your life. Tell me about him. he was strong he was strong like this like this and the my father my father was like a long maybe if for me it's like this really yeah yeah
My father was fast in running and strong because my father was a wrestler. Like a classic in Greco-Romo. My father every time talked to me, hey Alex, go to boxing. I use judo, taekwondo. football like a street fight father boxing boxing boxing i say why boxing it's a great sport hey i like football Maybe I will play in England, Italy. They have a lot of money. No. It's bullshit. Boxing. Okay, I try, but now I use football. You know, my family was just...
Not a lot of money. We have money only for food and t-shirts, like rent rooms. Футбол, я потребую денег платить футбол тренинг, форум, да. Мы не имеем денег. Я в доме. Пава! What do we do next? We don't have to pay in football. Yeah, I know, Alex, maybe you try boxing. Yeah, okay, no problem. Next day we sit with my friend, my place, blah, blah, blah. Oh, what we do? Maybe go to gym boxing. Where? As a new coach, everyday sparring.
Great man. Okay, no problem. I have gloves have t-shirt shoes. No problem. I have back and go to gym First time my face was black Oh, my God. I'm back home. I say, hey, Papa, boxing is good, but it's very pain. I know. I know. If you will be training every day, you grow. Хорошо, я попробую. Мой начальник был 1 апреля 2002 года. And having put you into boxing, he must have been very proud of you to see you progress to the stage where you won Olympic gold for your country.
Да, definitivamente. Папа, для меня, мой папа не говорит мне о том, что ты отличный, ты чемп. Я горжусь. I'm proud for you. No. Okay. You win. Good. Congratulations. But friends, my brother's friends say, hey, listen, my son, champion of Ukraine. For me, no, I don't know why. okay no problem but after after olympic games i'm back in the room i have gold medal right here i called hey we win Congratulations, I love you. Congratulations too!
And he'd never told you before that he loved you? No, it's last... Last conversation? Yes. It's very poignant in the sense that... That was the last time you spoke to him. You just won Olympic gold medal. But in that conversation, he told you he loved you for the first time. That conversation must be so important to you. Yeah. Yeah, it was proud for me, important for me. Я знаю, я знаю, что он любит меня, маму, мою сестру, но не говорит мне.
Very proud of you, but not to your face. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Every day, say, for my daughter, my son, I love you. Доктор, каждый день. Привет, как дела? Хорошо, добрый день, хорошая школа. Я тебя люблю. So there's the link of you two men, as you're both heavyweight champions of the world. but you're both driven by incredibly important father figures in your life. Can you appreciate each other for that?
Yeah, I'd say that... When you hear that, Daniel... That's good. That's good. I think we respect each other because... Боксинг – это тяжелый спорт. Сейчас мы просто противники. Это не плохие противники. Это спорт. After sport is a life. Maybe we are friendly, but it's not a problem for me. It is a sport, but it's a sport that can have deadly consequences. When you get in that ring, you guys are tremendously powerful punchers. and nothing can happen people have died in boxing rings
Does that play on your mind? Do you think about that? I don't think about it, but you know the risks that you're taking and life's a risk. You can walk outside, get run over, anything can happen. In this sport, I'm prepared for this risk. This is a risk that I know that I've been trained from since I was five or seven years old. So I'm more than ready for it. That first fight you had...
There was a very controversial moment, I think in the fifth round, where you hit him low. Now, the big debate that's raged ever since was how low. Let's take a look at... I've watched this a lot, this clip. from various angles. My understanding, Daniel, is that the law says if it's the belt line, a punch, it's legal. Yeah. From that angle, from other angles, it looks to me, I'm not an expert, but it looks to me like you hit him on the belt.
Yeah, that's it. Which, if you had, then you would have won that fight because Alexander actually took about four minutes. which he was allowed to do, four minutes before he got back into fighting. Do you feel a bit robbed by what happened there? Yeah, definitely. Do you think it was a legitimate blow? That was. That really was. That landed. You didn't see him grab his balls. He went down and that was a legitimately knockdown. Do you think you knocked him out? Yeah.
Alexander, what do you say? It was in the past. Я живу сейчас, в будущем. Для меня... Для меня это не важно. Я не знаю, что будет в будущем. Для меня, в прошлом, это... В прошлом. Я живу сейчас. Listen, first time, it's not my ideal, it's a problem for referee. But what did you think watching it then? What do you think? This punch, it's not clean. Really? Yeah. Yeah, it's maybe like this because punch was like a boom and fist go up.
Listen, it's problem for referee and coach who study clean clean Dirty punch? Yes. You think? Yes. Deliberate? it was a dirty punch that wasn't dirty But you know what? He's saying that you did that deliberately. What do you think? It didn't look like it to me. Honestly, that wasn't a dirty punch. That landed clean. I should have been unified champion, but a number of things happened because of that. Behind the scenes, political and everything.
around that, why they couldn't give me that. Was that the hardest punch you've ever had, Alexander? This episode is brought to you by LifeLock. Not everyone is careful with your personal information, which might explain why there's a victim of identity theft every five seconds in the U.S.
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A horse? Yeah. Really? Yeah. A horse? Horse, yeah. well how did it punch you my hands look like this Because I work on a farm. Like a horse going, yeah. I go to, hey, get out, get out, get out, get out. With his head? This. With the head? Yeah. No, no. A kick. Like legs. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah. Legs, boom. All right, so let me... Out. Well, let me ask you a different question. Zero fight, zero win, KO. So that horse is unbeaten. Was that the hardest punch by a human being?
Це був найсильний удар, який був створений по яйцям. For starters. I don't think I landed. He ain't really felt my power yet. Really? Last time he got away, he ain't really. Yeah. I'm not horse. Of course. You never come around. You got away last time, this time. He got it from a beating. Horse punch one time. I'm punch one, two, one, two, one, two, one, two, two, two, two, two, two, two, two, two, two. My opponent was gone on, was gone on. Please, please.
But Alexander, he did stop you for four minutes. that's a hell of a punch even for you not four not four two maximum two because i have five minutes yes yeah I said, hey, I'm ready. I'm ready. It's not four minutes. You were told not to. Two maximum. Your advisors said don't. Yeah. I said to my coach, hey, I'm ready. I'm ready. But two minutes is for you a long time. Two.
Does that not concern you? Does that not worry you that he has a punch? No. That could stop you for two minutes? Because that's a knockout. Not stopping me, this punch. It's... It was... The one that he knocked out Anthony Joshua with was a clean punch, inarguably. Definitely. He's got a hell of a punch. You're a hell of a fighter, hell of a champion. Yeah, I know. I know. It's very dangerous. But he has a dangerous punch. Yes, I know.
All my rivals, it's a dangerous guy because it's a boxing. One punch, go home. This is dangerous, man. I know. But... You're going to be at Wembley Stadium with 90,000 people. I would imagine 89,000. Maybe less. A lot of Ukrainians. Actually, there might be a lot of Ukrainians. So let's say there may be 70,000 British fans. I don't know. But let's say, because there's lots of Ukrainians.
20,000 Ukrainians. They're going to make so much noise. You're going to be in an atmosphere you've never fought in. Wembley Stadium, baying for him to win. Does that last time you fought in Poland, because that was where you had to fight because of the war, and we'll come to that, but this time you're going to be in his city with his people? It's going to be a very intimidating atmosphere. Yeah. London is like my home. Wembley too.
You think Wembley will be your home? Of course. Of course. Cheering for you? Listen, for me, it doesn't matter how a lot of people support Daniel. For me, my place is a ring. For me, when I step in the ring, it doesn't matter what's going on. Me, my opponent and referee. Thing is, Daniel, you're a much better fighter, I think, since you last fought him. Yeah. I think that whole experience, the fallout, and then the fights you took afterwards.
You're a better fighter. Yeah. You're more dangerous now. Yeah. And you stopped him last time. He says it was a dirty punch. You don't think it was. No. I don't think it was, if I'm honest. If you land that punch again a little bit higher... You're going to stop him. It lights up, yeah. But you've got to get to him again. And what he showed Alexander against people like Tyson Fury, who's a brilliant champion.
Hard as nails and never stops. Keeps coming for you. How are you going to defeat that? I'll just say bombs away, bombs away. Really? Every punch, bombs away. You know, it's something that I need to do. I need to clear up the controversy, obviously. Clear up the doubts and everything. You think it's unfinished business? Yeah, definitely. Definitely, unfinished business. Yeah. You were earlier this morning shoving him around in public. What was that about?
It's all about the fight, I guess, and all of that. There's hype? Bit of hype, bit of when he's getting in my face and everything. No, this is London. This is my town and I want to make sure that I stamp my authority and make sure Wembley is known as my stadium and I'll become king there, become undisputed champion. And that's what's really about for me.
You know, living, really embracing the spirit and becoming a real undisputed champ. There's a brilliant story about your family. Yeah. Which is the fighting spirit of your family. The DNA, literally, actually. It goes all the way back to the 18th century. And one of your ancestors called Sylvia Dubois, who was a slave and a bare-knuckle boxer in New Jersey, in New York. who retaliated against the abuse of her slave mistress.
and almost killed her with a single punch. And instead of lynching her, which is what used to happen at the time for slaves who rebelled against their owners, they actually were so impressed that they gave her freedom. Legend was born. Yes. The one-punch Dubois. Absolutely. Who rise up against everyone and anything. Yeah. When you think of Sylvia...
What do you feel about her? Because it's an amazing story. She fought and stood for justice. Yes. She fought and stood for justice and not allowing herself to be silent. or just you know she really really was a special oh my god That's where we get the fighting spirit. That's where my dad obviously gets the fighting spirit from. From her? And he passed it down onto us, I believe. So, you know, our roots in boxing and fighting and pugilism have gone back a long way.
Alexander, you have a different motivation I think that drives you, which is the backdrop of the war in Ukraine. I went to Ukraine four months after the war started. I interviewed President Zelensky and the First Lady, Eleanor Zelensky. And in the course of the visit there, I went to Bukha, where you're from, which had been the scene of an appalling massacre by the Russian forces when they invaded. And it was horrific.
what they had done to your old town. What was the moment like for you when that war started? How did you feel when it began? When we started war, I was here in London. 24 February I must go to Kyiv because it's the best day for my daughter. i say my my friend said hey listen you must change ticket because uh not go to jet. We must go to Poland and sit in the car and go to Kiev. I called my wife. Hey, how are you? What you do?
I'll be home, please, not go to my family, my child, my friends, parents, my wife, my mama. i say when i go to kiev it was 25 february i take my gun and go go on military play like a support place and Berkiev. We, all my team, we're not... What do now? we called the friends okay we must together every time sit in the home like a bomb shelter yeah It was a hard time. I think maybe I'm not more boxing.
OK. Good. I'm continuing boxing. Your home was ransacked by the Russians. I believe it was ruined by them. Have you been able to go back to that home? Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. I clean home, make problem. soldier break yeah now no problem this uh this house okay then live yeah then live family I believe your wife and your children live in Kiev now. It was bombed last week by the Russians. A number of people were killed, including children. How concerned are you for the safety of your family?
Я верю для Иисуса. Я прошу каждый день. Да, верно. Да, Jesus защищает мою семью и украинские солдаты защищают мою семью. I'm told that every day of the war, in the morning you wake up and you check. on the internet what has happened is that do you still yeah of course i called my my wife my friends who in the kiev who frontline yeah every day i take what's gonna President Zelensky, on the first day, the first night, he refused to leave.
the city, even though the Russians were coming and they were clearly going to try and kill him. What do you think about President Zelensky? To me, he's a heroic figure, a hero. Is that how you feel about him? Я думаю, да. Потому что если президент Зеленский выйдет, то сейчас не имели. Мы не имели Украинскую. Мы боремся. We support Ukrainian, a lot of people.
Thank you so much all your country, UK, because your country helped my country, helped my people. For me, it's very important. Thank you so much. I think we win because... Мы победили, потому что украинцы не остановят первое. first step. Hey, listen, we live Grow potato, smile and Russia. When I take Crimea, Donetsk, Lugansk. But then. What is your view of Vladimir Putin? You've compared him to Hitler. Do you think he's similar? Yeah, definitely. It's true. Because... uh when rocket flying home
It's a home. It's not military infrastructure. It's not army. It's just home. We leave children, grandmother, grandfather, like a bomb. And Russian news say, hey, this is military object. You crazy. I have a lot of video, a lot of video, not only Kyiv, Donetsk, Krivoy Rok, Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Lugansk, a lot of Not military infrastructure. It's just where we live people, hospital, theater, like a shop, market. Home, big home. Crazy. What is your message to Putin? I don't have me
You'd like him to stop. Please stop. President Trump is trying to get a peace deal, but as part of that deal... It is now widely believed that Ukraine will have to let Russia keep much of the territory that it's taken illegally. How do you feel about that? It's bullshit. Слушайте, у нас в мире много спорных questionable yeah places Продолжение следует... We have place. Ukraine like this, this, this, this, this, this is Ukrainian. Okay, living like this. Why you take my country? Hey, President.
Open eyes, please. What would you like him to do, President Trump? Please stop war in Ukraine. but don't give russia the territory no of course no it's in my territory it's a territory of my country it's my people of course Окей, слушайте. Украина есть территория, да? У нас есть Спания. Гибриалтар. take the sp spain please no it's a uk territory rules passport number like a car number yeah Okay, we're true, no problem. I go to Hebrew altar. I have visa. You go, oh, okay, Alex, welcome.
So you don't think Ukraine should give up any territory? No. Back Crimea back in... Because you were born in Crimea. Yes. You want Crimea back and the rest of the territory that Putin's taken. Yeah. All back to Ukraine. Yeah. You guys are going to fight in a boxing ring for sport, as Alexander said, but this is real war. Yeah. You talked about going to war with each other, but this is actual war that he's involved in, and it takes extraordinary mental strength.
I think, to continue being an elite athlete as he's been throughout this period with all this going on, with all the bombs raining down on his country. What do you feel about it when you hear it? He's a hero to his people, I guess. Outside of sport, what he's doing and what he's standing for is good. I don't know about that too much, so I don't want to get involved in saying too much. There's other wars going on all over the place, but apart from that, he is a hero to his people.
Does that mean something to you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good. Of course. It's incredibly respectful. Yeah. It's nice to see that. From two guys who are going to be punching each other for 12 hours. That's the world we live in. We've got a war, but, you know, there's business and then there's the other life, I guess.
Daniel, people, I think, have mischaracterized you. They say you're very quiet, you're quite shy, you don't really open up. But I'm seeing a different side to you already in this interview. Do you think you're misunderstood? Do you deliberately keep a sort of shield around yourself? Well, when you grow up in the media and you have the camera on you all the time from... It's hard, you know, you're developing under the camera.
What people may think of you four or five years ago is not the same person. is in front of you today. So my journey has been slow. I've led the athlete, the sporting life from a young age. I was on the GB squad and then from the GB squad I turned pro. So I've lived in an upward trajectory to the top. Do you think people have underestimated you? Yeah, I love being down to... I mean, even when you knocked out Anthony Joshua, all the media coverage was, what does this mean for Joshua?
It wasn't, isn't this incredible for Daniel Dubois? He's just not this guy, Sparco. And yet all the headlines are about what happens with Anthony Joshua. Yeah, I need to... I need to set that straight, but yeah, it was. It was a lot of that, rather than embracing a new champ.
I think it's going to happen slowly. I just need to keep knocking him out. Well, if you knock him out, you not only will change the media narrative, but you will go down in boxing legend. You'll have knocked out one of the greatest... heavyweight champions there has ever been yeah i mean this is for you the absolute pinnacle of your career this is the most important hour of your life
Do you feel ready for it? It means so much. I really want to do it. I'm really going to do it. Yeah, I'm fired up for this. Alexander, you were asked who was your boxing hero in one interview, and you said you didn't really have one, but you said the first inspiration was Muhammad Ali. Why Ali? Why was he so important to you?
Because it's not only boxing They like Ali, like a personality Ali support for people, for God for all people who... uh who have problem boxing of course ali one from the time like the move like a fast you know it's it was great man Like boxing and the world. I like a lot of Cotto, Manny Pacquiao, all, yeah, Marc Antonio Barrera. History. Where do you think you rank? Are you the best ever now? I'm lost. Why'd you say that? Because? Because it's me. You just being modest? I like this life.
Listen, it's not I, you must say. It's the people, not me. But more and more people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, for me, I underdog. All the time. I would put you now in the top three ever, without any doubt. My boxers? No, I say you in the history of heavyweight champions. I would put you in the top three, personally, for me. I actually think it would be Muhammad Ali, I'd have Lennox Lewis, who lost two fights and went back and knocked them both out, and I'd have you.
I don't know who I'd have won. Maybe Ali, for the reasons you said. But what Ali did for people, you've been doing for the people of Ukraine. You are just as important and influential to them. In fact, the soldiers of Ukraine. when you wanted to fight in the war, they said, please go and fight in the ring because of what it does for the country and the morale, which is a big responsibility for you. You're carrying the weight of your country on your shoulders. Yeah of course. How does that feel?
Я чувствую себя хорошо, слушайте. Когда я пойду на ринг, я боксирую не только на моей команде, только на меня. Я боксирую только на моем стране, в Украине. Daniel, who's your boxing hero? Do you have one? Boxing hero. I've got many, so many great fighters, great champions. Is there one that stands out who's been, like, when you think about who you'd like to be talked about in the same sentence? Erm...
the greats, George Foreman, but I put my dad up in there in the same sentence as these guys. Right. These are the, you know, these are the, yeah, for me that was, from a young age to be similar to my dad. So my dad, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, that era of guys and people and fighters and men, those are the top guys, in my opinion. What did your dad feel when he knocked out Anthony Joshua?
Great moment. He can tell you, but it was, yeah, great moment, great victory. What did you feel? I mean, you sparked him. Yeah. No one saw that coming. You did. But not many people saw that coming. But you flattened him. Maybe he ended his career. I mean, at that moment when you do that, when you unleash one of your thunderbolts and you knock somebody like him out and they're lying there, what are you feeling?
It happened so quick for me, you know? And it's like, I've done this for all my life, so for me, it was like... Mission accomplished. Finished. And, um... Yeah, I'm just... I'm just happy we won. We came through it. We were the underdogs, we still are the underdogs, but we're going to keep proving people wrong. You're religious, I believe, as well. Yeah. You believe in God. Yeah. Alexander's very religious. We know this.
Yeah, well... You're both going to be praying to God, I guess, before the fight. Do you think he's going to be with you? I will. I do. I do. I think he will. I think... It's not just God. God helps those who help themselves. So I believe he'll be looking at me, counting on me to do what I'm supposed to do.
and make sure that I don't cut corners in camp or in training or in life, in personal life, and make sure that I'm living a straight, narrow path to success. That's what we've been doing from a young age, so I need to stay on that track, that mission, and it's very hard. but I definitely believe I can do it. Yeah. He thinks God's on his side. Yeah, I know. Listen, God help who help different people and the world.
Listen, for God, we are just stupid guys. Like boxing and... для Бога очень важно, как это. soul it's very important soul not muscles not money cars do you think your soul is stronger than his only soul but When... Win 2 who more good work. It's me. It's you? Yeah. You've done more good work than him?
I'm just starting. I'm just starting. I'm younger than him, so of course he's done. Yeah, yeah, and he's younger. He's had eight years on you. Exactly, so I've got catching up to do outside the ring, and I'm working on it. I do sense, though, a respect between the two of you. For your achievements, but also for you as men. Am I right to think that? I'm going, yeah, well... It's just competition, it's just...
I'm not going to just start attacking everyone, so yeah, you can think what you want, but yeah, I'm a fighter, true, true fighter, true warrior. Alexander, you said you're going to have two more fights. This is one of them. If you win, who would the last fight be against? Не «if», «when». «When you win».
It's probably my team. It's not mine. Is there anyone you'd like to fight? Maybe, would you like to fight Tyson Fury one more time? Maybe, maybe Tyson Fury, maybe Anthony Joshua, maybe. But now my focus is there. and you have no doubt that you're going to be I think I win. Yeah, I believe. Everyone says that. What's your message to him? Look at him and tell him what's going to happen. No messages. I'm just ready for war. Ready to win.
It's going to be a bloodbath. It's going to be totally different from last time, you know. I've just grown up and I've learned and learned more about myself as a man, so... I can't wait to put on a show and become undisputed and just do the business. Well gentlemen, I wish you both the best of luck. It's been fascinating to talk to you both.
I know your father will be there, and I think your father will be there in spirit, Alexander, looking down, willing you on, as I'm sure he has been ever since he sadly passed. I wish you both... All the best of luck. Thank you for sharing your stories. I appreciate it. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. and follow Piers Morgan Uncensored. all for free independent uncensored media has never been more critical and we couldn't do it without you