From ABC News, this is Perspective. I'm Brian Clark. Coming up, the Trump administration's 180 turn on the war in Ukraine. The president seemingly thawing the relationship with Russia's Vladimir Putin. And when asked whether he believed Putin was a dictator, I don't use those words lightly. I think that we're going to see how it all works out. The measures the Trump administration has taken thus far and how the rest of Europe has responded to the about face.
Anti-immigrant sentiment and an 11-year-old who died by suicide. Loved ones say she was bullied over her family's immigration status. I didn't know she was scared and she unfortunately took her life because of it. The investigation into the death of Jocelyn Rojo Carranza, and a farewell to an R&B legend, Roberta Flack's life and career, and how she influenced generations of musicians. All ahead on Perspective. President Trump has repeatedly said the war in Ukraine can end quickly.
But European leaders are concerned the White House could be giving too much leeway to Russia and that Ukraine could lose territory and resources. The Trump administration has engaged in high-level talks with Russian officials in Turkey and Saudi Arabia. Ukraine and other European allies were left out of those talks and held their own emergency summit.
The U.S. and the United Nations also sided with nations like North Korea by rejecting a resolution that reaffirmed Russia as the aggressor in the war. This week, President Trump did meet French President Emmanuel Macron to discuss Ukraine, and ABC's Ian Panel reports that meeting highlighted some of the differences between the two. Three years since Russia launched a massive invasion of Ukraine.
At the White House, President Trump and French President Emmanuel Macron pressed about their deep divisions when it comes to the future of Ukraine. I've spoken to President Putin and my people are dealing with him constantly and they want to... They want to end this war. With allies in Europe who've been left out of recent negotiations between the US and Russia watching closely, Macron making it clear this war can't end in Russia's favour. Saying peace must not mean the surrender of Ukraine.
and that peace must allow for Ukrainian sovereignty. The difference is extending to Putin too. When pressed, Trump again refusing to call Vladimir Putin a dictator, instead saying he might visit Moscow soon, a trip that would be a huge boost to Putin, who's been isolated from the West since the start of the war. would you use the same words regarding Putin? I don't use those words lightly. I think that we're going to see how it all works out.
President Zelenskyy has stood strong and defiant, fighting for security guarantees Ukraine needs to ensure Russia doesn't invade again. You're under pressure from Moscow to step aside and Washington to hold elections. Would you be willing to give up the presidency? if it meant peace for Ukraine. Even offering to stand down if it meant membership of NATO, saying, I'll do it immediately without a long conversation about it.
ABCZ and panel reporting. Another conflict the president has said will end on his watch, the war between Israel and Hamas and Gaza. According to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry, more than 48,000 people have died in the conflict. The United Nations says 70% of Gaza's buildings have been damaged or destroyed.
Despite the destruction, Palestinians say they want to return and rebuild. ABC's Matt Gutman followed 22-year-old Tala Herzala, who was devastated to see what's left. I only recognize a wall from my home. It's just one wall. otherwise everything is just disappeared as if it wasn't that it's the very same place where we first spoke with Tawa
Just days after Israel declared war on Hamas, the atrocities committed on October 7. The situation is very hard. No words can describe what we are living right now. Things are getting worse day by day, minute by minute. With international journalists then and now prevented from entering Gaza, Taliban brought us the realities of the war firsthand. as the world she knew rapidly collapsed around her. In one second, we decided to leave our house and to go to the nearest hospital.
You move it, that's wrong. Tala was displaced six times, spending the latter part of the war in crowded houses and tents. And amid the constant search for shelter in southern Gaza, Tala sought stability in her books, her desk, her education. I'll try to find a scholarship or anything to complete my university degree. I'll start to find anything that gives me life power to complete.
Surrounded by the few belongings she was able to take with her, she recalled the pain of losing family. I lost seven cousins with their families in this war. I can't find pure happiness. Every happiness is mixed with something sad. I don't want to remember these days. I don't want to remember how much I suffered because no human beings can tolerate and bear this much of pain and suffering.
Tala now lives with relatives and she says she's grateful to have four walls, a roof, real shelter. I want my Gaza. I want the one before 7th October. I want the one that I left its roads and buildings and everything. But on that day, Hamas legions invaded Israel. Members of other terrorist groups followed, as did thousands of civilians. Almost 1,200 Israelis were killed and 251 people taken hostage, not just by militants, but also by civilians.
The current ceasefire and hostage release has made it possible for hundreds of thousands of Gazans to try to make it home. But the vast majority of Gaza's infrastructure is in ruins, with a further threat of unexploded ordnance and additional victims. buried in the rubble. We are strong enough to build it again. We need a lot of machines and other stuff.
Tala rejects President Trump's proposal that Gazans leave while the land is redeveloped. To President Trump and any person who wants to plan for our people. stay aside and give us the opportunities and the tools and to leave us in this place alone. No one will do what we will do for our land.
Tala doesn't know if she'll be able to graduate this year. She does have a scholarship waiting for her at Earlham College in Indiana if she can get there. But no matter where she ends up, she says her future is right here. in Gaza. I will return here to work here to live here and to have my small family maybe in the future here. I see the future of Gaza in the hands of Gazans. ABC's Matt Gutman reporting.
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The encounters along the southern border have plummeted. According to numbers from the U.S. Customs and Border Protection, the agency says apprehensions were down by about a third last month compared to January 2024. When you look at the people coming up from the...
South, you look at the Darien Gap, which is that land bridge between Colombia and Panama. It's a stretch of jungle that anybody wanting to walk from South America to North America must go through. The number of people that the Panamanian government is registered going through. that jungle gap has plummeted to the lowest level that we've seen since February of 2021 when we were right in the middle of the pandemic. ABC's Matt Rivers in Mexico City.
ABC News Chief Justice correspondent Pierre Thomas breaks down the numbers and the possible reasons behind the drop with ABC's Terry Moran and Kira Phillips. Let's talk about the numbers. What exactly does it say about both the Biden and Trump administration's approach to immigration? How do you read this?
Well, there's just no doubt about it that these are dramatic numbers. If you look at comparing January 24 to January 2025, the month that just passed, we're talking about a difference of 100,000 fewer people. you know, coming to the southern border and being apprehended. That's just a significant decline. Now, we know with the Biden executive order last June that the numbers did start to decline somewhat. But there has been.
There's no doubt about it, a dramatic decline since President Trump took office. We were averaging 2,636, roughly, apprehensions per day in the first part of January of this year after the Trump administration was put in. place, that number fell to 796 per day. So just a dramatic difference that we're seeing at the border that will actually have a great amount of impact on the resources that the U.S. government will now spend in dealing with this particular issue when we think.
Yeah, that's remarkable, Pierre, that there's that hundred thousand difference between last January and now. And so is it is it a shift in policy that we've been hearing about the way that the Trump administration wants to go about doing this versus the way? the Biden administration did? Or is it personality? President Trump a lot more credible when he tells people, I'm going to deport you, perhaps, than Joe Biden was.
Well, again, this is early in the process. We're just weeks into the process. We'll have to see if these numbers continue to hold up. clearly are suggesting that the attitude the the messaging here of don't come we don't want you uh is something that may be taking hold and also the the headlines uh which are have
been international about mass deportations or at least the effort to deport as many people as possible. The focus early on on people who committed crimes inside the United States is something that's getting out. And we we know from just anecdotal evidence. that this is causing a lot of concern and fear in that community that is residing in the country.
So the administration has been pretty adamant to all undocumented immigrants that they should self-deport regardless if they've committed a crime or not. So what impact do you believe that that has made as well on these numbers? OK, we had a pretty, I thought, dramatic development overnight where the Department of Homeland Security released information about a PR campaign that they've now launched in which they're basically telling all undocumented immigrants. Get out.
to self-deport. And they're making it clear that we're in a new phase where it's not just a focus on people, undocumented immigrants who have committed crimes in this country, but anyone who's here and did not go through the proper process. saying self-deport no matter how long you've been here.
Get out of the country. Otherwise, you will have no chance of coming back if they find you and deport you. So I think that that think about that campaign. If you're in the barbershop, if you're listening to your radio or if you're watching something on social media.
And you see it, the Homeland Security Secretary literally giving you that message. You know, it would be effective. Just one quick question. Does that include dreamers? They want people who've been here, brought here as children. They have no home country. This is their home country. Does that include them too, do you think? Well, again, the release that went out was not specific other than if you're in this country and you're not documented, self-deport, period.
So we have to get those additional details from the administration. But at least the initial message is to people, no matter if you have a business, if you own property, whatever, self-deport now, because if you don't and you're deported once they... find you, you would not have a path backward. That's the direct quote from the Homeland Security Secretary. ABC News Chief Justice correspondent Pierre Thomas with ABC's Terry Moran and Kira Phillips.
concerns about the possible side effects of the immigration crackdown. According to the family and friends of 11-year-old Jocelyn Rojo Carranza, she was so upset by the bullying she endured over her family's immigration status. She took her own life. ABC's John Quinonez has her story and more on the investigation and what the community is doing to remember her.
In the town square of Gainesville, Texas, a candlelight vigil for Jocelyn Rojo Carranza, an American girl who took her own life at the tender age of 11. Her family and friends say she was bullied to death. because their parents were in the US illegally. Her mother, Marbella. I was with her when they took her off life support. I heard her heart slowly stop beating. And how the color would leave my daughter's face. It was very hard for me to see. that I was losing my daughter.
Jocelyn was in the sixth grade at Gainesville Intermediate School, a little girl who wanted to be a gymnast and a cheerleader. Her family says they had no idea that over the last few weeks, Jocelyn was being constantly harassed and ridiculed. by fellow students her mother says that only after her daughter passed away was she told by a school official that Jocelyn was bullied in the classroom and on the school bus how were they bullying her
They told her her parents were here illegally. They told her they were going to call immigration so that we would be taken away, and she would be left here all alone. She was afraid she would lose you. She was very sensitive, very sensitive She blames her daughter's death on what she calls the anti-immigrant political climate in the U.S. People who don't want immigrants in this country now feel they have a greater right to express their opinions because they have the president's support.
Marbella says the school confirmed to her that Jocelyn had been seeing a counselor at Gainesville Intermediate, but she says she also only found that out after her daughter had taken her life. You were never told she was being bullied. They never called her she says until it was too late. More than a third of the population in Gainesville is Hispanic.
Jesse Noble's daughter Maddie was one of Jocelyn's classmates. People are saying like ICE is going to take everybody's parents and stuff and I was scared for my Hispanic friends. Including Jocelyn. How did Jocelyn react to her? She... Take your time, baby. I didn't know she was scared and she unfortunately took her life because of it. I wish she knew how much people loved her.
The Gainesville Independent School District would not comment on Jocelyn's specific case, but in a statement to ABC News, they say the top priority of the Gainesville ISD is to ensure a safe and comfortable learning environment for all students. Because of this, we take any reports of bullying at our schools very seriously and have a zero tolerance policy. Whenever we receive a report of bullying, we respond swiftly to ensure all students are safe physically and emotionally.
summer days at the Boys and Girls Club in Gainesville. Now her friends here are celebrating Jocelyn for who she was. Everywhere in the club, we see the letters LLJ, Long Live Jocelyn. Maddie wears those initials on her hand. If you could say anything to Jocelyn now, what would you say to her? I would say we love and miss you. And nobody wanted you to be gone.
In a statement, the city of Gainesville police say their department is handling the investigation into Jocelyn's death. An investigation into the bullying allegations is being handled by the Gainesville Independent School District. Jocelyn's funeral mass was held in the same Catholic church where she was baptized. Why is it so important for you to speak up? What happened to my daughter should serve as a lesson to the world.
for the world to see what the new president's policies are doing. She was a victim of racism. What happened to my daughter should stand for something so that, hopefully, There will be change and there won't be any more victims, much less victims who are children. ABC's John Quinonez reporting. Coming up, as we celebrate Black History Month, we highlight one author's journey to the depths of the ocean to find the stories that lie beneath. On Perspective, after this.
From ABC News, this is Perspective. I'm Brian Clark. Coming up, the life and storied career of Roberta Flack. But first... A man in Wisconsin died from an asthma attack, and his family says it was all because he couldn't afford his inhaler. The family is suing Walgreens, its parent company, and a pharmacy benefits company after the price for his inhaler surged to $5.
The family says he didn't fill his prescription. Cole Schmitneck's parents, Shannon and Bill, along with their attorney, Helen Lawless, tell ABC's Lindsay Davis about their suit and what they hope to accomplish. Shannon and Bill like to start by... just asking you to tell us about your son Cole. Cole was 22. He was just starting to get out and be independent. He was an avid gamer. He streamed every single night to his quote-unquote fans on Twitch.
Cole was an avid music and movie lover. He would often ask me if I had seen this movie or that movie. I'm not an avid movie lover, so he was often disappointed when my answer was no, but he would be sure to make sure I saw whatever movie I needed to. Cole's friends described him as adventurous. Cole, like millions of Americans with asthma, had managed his condition with medication most of his life. Who or what do you blame for his loss of life?
Just to put it kind of simply, as we've learned things since his death, we feel there's been some circumstances caused by the pharmacy benefit managers in the pharmacy he went to. of greed, deception, maybe not following your internal policies. And that's kind of where we went and what we've discovered more over the last few months. We reached out to OptumRx about Cole's case and they told us OptumRx
also has available clinically appropriate options and formulary information when a medication is not covered on formulary, including Advair, Discus, formulary alternatives with member copays as low as $5. Have you been able to determine whether cold was offered? an alternative or a generic option? As far as we know, he never was. That's as simple as it goes. I do know his formulary and it wasn't an option on there that I could see.
We should also note that we reached out to Walgreens for comment as well. They told us due to pending litigation. We are not commenting. Helen, what kind of resolution are you seeking from this lawsuit? Well, thank you for having me, Lindsay. First and foremost, we are seeking to obtain individual justice for Bill and Shannon who have suffered the unimaginable loss of their eldest child.
But beyond that, if this case draws attention to these vital issues and prompts conversations about broader reform, which would need to take place at a legislative level, then that's vital as well, given.
the PBMs, including Optimarex, serve so many millions of Americans across the country. What do you think, Helen, should have happened when he went to his local pharmacy and then... they said oh it's going to be more than 500 for your inhaler and then he says oh i didn't realize that my insurance company didn't cover that how should that conversation have concluded
Sure. So the failing start before then in that Cole was not given the notice that he needed in order to request an exception ahead of time to avoid that scenario in general. But once you arrive at the pharmacy, a pharmacist also has a duty to do their due diligence, to contact the doctor, to contact OptumRx directly. to offer the alternatives as discussed to make sure the patient doesn't leave the pharmacy without being able to afford a preventative medicine that could save their life.
Shannon and Bill, what's your message to others who may be in a similar position with their insurance no longer covering or raising the price on crucial medications? Well, simply, we wish we would a new more. Our call was very independent and what we wanted to tell him was ask more questions. Simple as that. Don't accept. the no at the pharmacy counter. You're going to get different experiences at different pharmacies. They're not all the same.
But always ask the questions. That's the best thing we could say. Bill and Shannon Schmitneck and attorney Helen Lawless with ABC's Lindsay Davis. As Black History Month comes to a close, we're highlighting the efforts being made by a group of deep-sea divers who are taking the plunge to find relics of history. These divers are documenting shipwrecks below the ocean dating back to the slave trade.
One of them, Tara Roberts, says the experience has been eye-opening. Roberts sits down with ABC's Robin Roberts and talks about her memoir about these dives written in the waters. One way that this journey has really... empowered me and transformed me when I was a little kid. I used to read sci-fi fantasy books, all these characters that were like saving the kingdom, and I wanted to be one of those characters. But I thought I couldn't because none of the characters ever looked like me.
So being a part of this work, diving with scuba divers who are searching for slave shipwrecks around the world has brought a sense of adventure to my life and changed it completely. And we see those in the pages. We read those. in the pages and I'm diving with a purpose yes diving with purpose because let's think that was 2017 yes you're in DC and you go to the National African American History Museum and you see this picture yes and that it's
changed my life. I didn't know anything about scuba diving before this, but I saw a picture of a group of primarily black women in wetsuits on a boat. Rabbit, I'd never seen a picture of black women in wetsuits on a boat before. So it struck something inside of me. It made me remember those dreams as a kid of wanting to have adventure. And then I read about them and discovered that they were a part of this group.
called Diving with a Purpose, and that's what they did around the world. Like, who would even think? And that's what a real transition in your life happened when you started doing that? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I ended up quitting my job. I felt like this work was so important. I wanted to be a part of it somehow. I wanted to help tell stories to bring this history back into memory. Oh, history back into memory. I like that. I like that a lot. What goes to your heart and your mind when you're...
discovering history under the water? I think it's different for everyone. And maybe I'm a little bit of a weirdo. When I am under the water, I don't feel sad at all. about this history i mean it's it's big history you know it's 400 years of the transatlantic slave trade but when i'm under the water i feel such agency and power I remember when I was diving in Costa Rica and I came across an anchor that was from a ship from the 1700s. It was a slave ship from the 1700s. But to see that anchor...
Like I felt like I had. I felt proud of myself. I was like, I have these historians, these divers, these archaeologists. We have all raised our hands and we have said that we're not going to wait for anyone else to prioritize this history. We are volunteering. to bring it up from the depths and back into memory. And that just feels like it feels powerful. What do you say to folks who they want to make a pivot, but they think it might be too late for them?
What's your message for them? It's never too late. Follow your curiosity. It could lead you to the cover of National Geographic magazine. It could lead you to GMA. That wasn't something that I could have anticipated. Just by seeing that picture in the museum. Something as simple as that. And now you're an author. I'm an author, yes. What do you want people picking up the book when they put it back down? What do you want them to feel? I want them to feel...
Like this history isn't just black history. It's not just American history like this is global history. The transatlantic slave trade shaped our world. But it's largely unexplored. So I hope it makes people more curious about it. And I hope people feel like they can take risk and they can follow their own curiosity. Author Tara Roberts with ABC's Robin Roberts. Coming up, the estranged husband and son of Ruby Franke speaking out on Perspective after this.
You're listening to Perspective from ABC News. I'm Brian Clark. It's been a year since Ruby Franke and her business partner were sentenced for child abuse. Frankie, the momfluencer who, with her husband and six kids, skyrocketed to internet fame, is serving consecutive sentences of 1 to 15 years in prison after pleading guilty to aggravated child abuse of two of her children.
This time since the sentencing, two members of the Frankie family are speaking out. ABC's Eva Pilgrim has an exclusive interview with Kevin Frankie, who filed for divorce from Ruby in 2023, and Chad, the oldest son. about how social media destroyed their family. Sit down right here. Sit her down on the flipping couch. New home video of former mommy influencer and now convicted child abuser Ruby Frankie. Tell me!
The Utah mom of six was known for her tough parenting, carefully crafting her image to millions of subscribers on her eight passengers YouTube channel. But a disturbing reality was revealed after Ruby's youngest son escaped in August. of 2023. This chilling 911 call leading to her arrest. I just had a 12-year-old boy show up here at my front door asking for help. He's emaciated. He's got...
tape around his legs. Frankie's estranged husband, Kevin, and oldest son, Chad, now opening up in a new Hulu docuseries, Devil in the Family. the fall of Ruby Franke, both sitting down exclusively for the first time since Ruby's arrest. I had very fond memories. as a young child did you think your mom was a good mom i would say so yeah we just felt very much like an average family at what point did it all change i think once companies started coming to us offering big money
for scripts. Be excited to tell them where your name came from, even if you have to fake it. Fake being happy. Okay? It was a chaotic, chaotic experience. So lots of yelling, lots of snapping and lots of timeouts in the corner. Everything that Chad and Kevin remembered about this crazy story. was meticulously documented. It was like having camera crews inside the house over a decade. Kevin and Chad say the family dynamic really shifted after Ruby hired this woman.
I'm Jodi Hildebrandt. Therapist and life coach Jodi Hildebrandt to work with their family. She came across as somebody who was firm and and very authoritative. So we thought, oh, this is the perfect fit. What became surprising to me was when the focus gradually shifted away from just solely on our children to... us as a couple. Do you feel like she brainwashed you? She took control of something that was very, very important to me. My marriage, my family.
and she used those like a carrot on a stick. Looking back, I treated her as a god. And I trusted her so much. Kevin says Jody and Ruby insisted he move out and cut off contact with his family to work on his addiction to selfishness. How could you have left your family? The bottom line is that I was choosing to trust a licensed professional mental health counselor and my wife.
And they gave some terrible counsel. And I have regrets, and I wish that I hadn't done those things. Do you still love her? I do. I don't think I'll ever stop loving her. Does that mean that I want to let her back into my life, let her back into my kids lives? Absolutely not. Guilty. Both Ruby and Jody pleaded guilty to four counts of child abuse against Ruby's two youngest children and could serve up to 30 years in prison.
Kevin recently speaking at a Utah Statehouse hearing advocating for child protections around family vlogging, reading a letter from his 11-year-old daughter. I feel like my mom used me for money. What do you want people to know? There is real danger when you place yourself or your family, your children out onto public social media.
to be just careful with who they choose, to put their faith in, to put their trust in, because it can have massive consequences in your life. What does happiness look like for you guys? Enjoying time with my siblings, it feels a lot more free. It's wonderful to be surrounded by my children. There's laughter again. We have a lot of furry friends.
Our home is a zoo. It is a zoo. And it's funny because they chew up all the floorboards and everything. And I'm just thinking if Ruby was here, she'd be furious. But Ruby's not. And I don't care. And I'm happy. ABC's Eva Pilgrim reporting. The music world lost a giant this week. Singer Roberta Flack died at the age of 88. She had a decades-long, critically acclaimed string of hits, including this one, 1977's The Closer I Get to You with Donny Hathaway.
ABC's Robin Roberts looks back at Flack's life from her beginnings as a music teacher and the legacy she leaves behind. Reeled in by the enchanting texture in her voice. And sultry melody in her music. Berta Flack's distinct approach to musical storytelling cemented her as an R&B legend and early pioneer of the subgenre called the quiet storm. Flack was born just outside Asheville, North Carolina in 1937.
At just 15, the classically trained pianist enrolled at Howard University on a full-ride music scholarship. She'd become a junior high school music teacher, performing at night before pursuing her dream. and was discovered in the late 1960s. The transition from the classroom to the stage was a very easy, smooth one for me personally. I'd rather think that... The facility was the direct result of my being prepared. I thought the sun rose in your eyes Her debut hit
First time ever I saw your face was a slow burner. The song rocketed to number one on the charts after being featured in Clint Eastwood's Play Misty for Me. were the gifts you gave. An unlikely sophomore contender came after. When I hear, strumming my band with his fingers. Singing my life with his words. My heart goes. Paralysis sets in.
killing me softly with his song. The R&B singer would have six top ten hits and win a total of five Grammys, including two consecutive wins for Record of the Year, making her the first artist to do so. New fans would be introduced to Killing Me Softly when the Fugees release their take. She'd retire from music in 2022 after being diagnosed with ALS. The love for Roberta Flack
was always in the music. If I had to use one phrase that describes how I feel about the whole experience, it would simply be that love is a song. ABC's Robin Roberts reporting. From ABC News, this has been Perspective. Thanks for listening. This show was produced by Aaron Ferrer, Marwo Muaki, and Joy Piazza. If you want to listen to any of our past shows subscribe to the perspective podcast.
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