This is episode eight with special guest Michelle Simpson. Just show up. If life, babies and business, and busy-ness all seem to distract you from prayer. This is the reminder that you just need to show up. Anyway, you're listening to persistence in prayer with professionally trained Catholic mindset. Coach Kylie Hein. Hello everyone and welcome back to Persistence in Prayer with Catholic Mindset Coach Kylie Hein. This week I am joined by Michele Simpson.
Michelle has been married to her husband for 29 years. She is a mother of 10 children. She's been a homeschool mom for 23 years while also helping to run a family business at her house. She has recently joined the Metanoia Catholic community and will begin working on coaching certification soon. Michelle, thank you so much for being here. Feel very blessed to have you. Thanks for having me.
So, we're gonna jump in and talk about prayer life a little bit, but one of the things that I know we've talked about briefly is you said that you were a fallen away Catholic. So are you a cradle Catholic, like born and baptized early? Yes. So can you tell me a little bit about your story and being like, how you fell away and how you found your way back to the church? So, falling away is not like, I didn't necessarily believe the faith. I just wasn't, you know, attending mass on a regular basis.
And that kind of started in college. Mm-hmm. Um, and then, um, met my husband. And we got what, uh, we got, my mom passed away right after we got engaged and we kind of eloped cuz we wanted, we're kind of in a hurry to get married and there was all this drama that my dad was, wanted certain things to happen or whatever. So Chris and I were like, well just, we're just gonna go get married.
So we got married, um, he had two kids, so, You know, I was helping raise his two kids and, shortly after getting married, I was pregnant with our first and, it wasn't until the, my second child. So sometime in between there we started going to mass more often and we were, uh, we had baptized his two children and, So we had, first communion for the children, for the, um, younger daughter. And, we couldn't participate cuz we weren't practicing.
He had been married before, so there was certain all these different things that we had to do. Um, and, um, that's what kind of like, oh, I need to get more serious about this. So I just slowly started becoming more serious and then there was some problems that had come up and I started relying on God at that point, for my support. and so we just started, so he ended up coming into the church right after our second was born, fourth child. But my second. Birth.
Um, and so he came in that Easter, um, I think it was four days after she was born. And I made sure I was at the service and some old man comes up to me and goes, why are you here with that baby? Like, cause my husband's coming into the church. That's amazing. Um, and then, uh, shortly after that, we got married in the church and shortly after that we started homeschooling. There's so much of your story that I can relate to.
Um, I feel like I was also a cradle Catholic, but my college years I definitely fell away, was not going to mass every weekend. Um, my university, there were some Catholics, but we were kind of few and far between, and those of us that were like, I wasn't surrounded by a community of people that were going to mass every weekend. And so for me it was actually after I, I had kind of started going back my senior year of college.
Um, and then I got hired at a Catholic school and that's when I was like, okay, I need to make sure I'm showing up every week. Um, and just seeing the faith of the kids there I think was really incredible too. And then the other thing you said that I can really resonate with is your mom passing away. My mom passed away when I was twenty-three. And so, um, I can resonate with that too.
And I think, I don't know if this had an impact on your faith life at all, but I feel like that was a big turning point for me too. And yeah, going from intention, going from like intention, like intention to do better in my prayer life and do better, showing up for God to like actually doing it. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I was 25 when my mom passed away. Okay. I'm the oldest of, uh, my mom had six children, so my youngest sibling was in eighth grade. Oh, wow.
So a couple in college and several in high school. And then Carly was in eighth grade. So it was a really interesting time for my family of origin. It was just a very hard time. So yeah, prayer definitely was helping to get us, get us through that. Yeah, my brother was a senior in high school, so he was the youngest. And that's hard to kind of, you had to show up for them too, so that's really cool. Mm-hmm.
Uh, and also, so your husband wasn't Catholic, so you were kind of like the, the person that was drawing your family to the faith? Yes, correct. Yes. It was important to me that they were baptized and, um, that we were doing, you know, Going through the sacraments and all of that. And then as I was doing that for my stepchildren, I'm like, well, we need to be doing it ourselves as husband and wife. So that kind of brought us, you know, it was kind of a, a profound moment.
Cause my dad received communion that day. When, when, um, our second oldest received communion, but my husband and I were sitting in the pew because we weren't married in the church. So we knew we weren't supposed to be receiving. So can you, this doesn't work. How can you be a good example this way? So I remember as a kid, my mom was Catholic, my dad was not, and my mom took us to mass every single week.
She taught C, c, D, but she also could not receive for many years because my dad had been married before. Can you tell me like, What that's like. I mean, I just remember her always, they eventually were married in the church so that she could receive, but there were many years where she showed up every single week and couldn't receive the Eucharist, and I've always wondered what that was like for her. I would imagine that would've been really hard. I mean hard in a sense.
Like cuz you want to receive, right? You're there and you wanna receive and now you're doing the correct thing by not receiving. Um, you know, and it's hard to continue. I think it would be hard to continue going if you, when you're not able to receive, right. I don't remember that for me so much. The feelings I had, I, I'm not in contact with those. I just know that it was important that we got our ducks in a row because this isn't the way I, I wanna live my life as we were going forward.
So, and I was lucky my husband was on board. Yeah. He agreed. Yes. That's always great. So, as you had these children raised in your home, how did you maintain. A connection with God or continue to grow closer because I only have two children in my home and I know how crazy it can be. So tell me a little bit more about what that looks like or what it looked like at your house.
So as we started homeschooling, um, we started doing our daily, we started doing a daily rosary and the daily rosary at that point was happening kind of at the end of the day, or sometimes would happen in the car. Depending on how busy we were, but a lot of times it would just happen at the end of the day.
As we've progressed, progressed as a family, um, we found as my children were playing lots of sports, that it wasn't easy to do it in the late afternoon, that there was always children missing or I wasn't home driving them everywhere. Um, so we started doing it as, as the beginning of the day thing. Um, so it would be the first thing we did after we were up, up and moving. We'd come downstairs and pray the rosary as a family. Um, and then, you know, again, I have only two teenagers left.
I have four children in the home, but two of 'em are teenagers and the other two work. So, it's harder now because I have days that I'm not here or my husband's going, you know, we're, we're, so, we're, we're trying to figure out how to make that work as a family. Rosary still. But we still get it in most days, so that's good. That's awesome. So that, that was the, the first step. Do you have any advice for me as a mom?
I have a four-year-old and a seven-year-old, and the family rosary has always like, that wasn't even something that I would've thought of growing up. Like that just didn't happen in my house. like I said, it wasn't that my parents didn't talk about their faith, but we did not have family prayer time. We didn't. Pray together per se, other than, you know what? Family gatherings or birthday parties.
My dad would lead prayer before, like he would lead a blessing and then we would say our Catholic prayer before meals. So in my own family, I've started to try to incorporate more of these things. I have a lot of personal devotions and prayer time and. That is growing with my children. You know, we have routines that we have at night and in the morning. Um, and one of them is a daily rosary in the car because it's about the perfect amount of time from our house mm-hmm. To where their school is.
How do you get your children engaged? Some days they're like, okay, yeah. Like, we'll maybe make it through a decade. And some days they are Imagining and playing all kinds of things in the back and throwing things back and forth. And that's hard. Um, I learned from others, so it wasn't something my family of origin did. Mm-hmm. But it was something my mom's family of origin did. My grandfather would lead a rosary I think every night after dinner.
Okay. And I remember that whenever we'd have dinner at my grandfather's house, him leading the rosary. Um, so then when I started homeschooling and these other, uh, families that I was getting to know, uh, through homeschooling, they were doing the rosary. So you, I'd ask them questions and stuff like that.
And then, um, At some PO point, I was at someone of their houses while we did the rosary and someone had a book, like a three ring binder, and they had pictures of each of the different mysteries and all the prayers in there. So we would have our book and we would open it up for the kids to be able to see.
Um, so if it was, you know, the visitation, you had a picture of the visitation and the kids could at least look at it and each were supposed to be holding a rosary and you know, sometimes kids would fall asleep. You know, we tried to have them at least kind of pay attention and just kind of depend on the age and their attention span, but I figured it was better that we were doing it in front of them than not doing it at all. Absolutely. That's where my, um, Thought process was.
Yeah. And I go back and forth with that sometimes too. That's a good example. I feel like I get more out of my rosary time, like the, the meditation part of it when I do it by myself, but I also know how important it's for my kids to see me doing it. And there are days every once in a while they'll say like, mom, can we listen to music today? But there are a lot of days where like, we're running late and maybe I, I don't start it right away or I'm praying in in my head. I'm not praying out loud.
And my four-year-old would be like, mom, You forgot to do your rosary, you know, or we're supposed to be saying the rosary right now, even though he doesn't actually pray the whole thing. So, um, that's a great reminder though, of just showing up and doing it. Like your kids are gonna catch more, like from seeing you, then you can actually teach them. Mm-hmm. Very cool. Okay. I wanna jump to how do you stay persistent in prayer when you feel like you're failing sometimes?
And I know you have a story about trying to implement St. Bridget's prayers. Yeah, so I was struggling to to be consistent with my own personal program. Um, you know, I was having babies every 18 months, so, um, finding that time I was finding to be hard. So I think at some point I started doing like a morning offering by myself or something. I. And then at some point I wanted to do the, yeah.
St. Bridget's 15, um, the 15th, uh, St. Bridget prayers for my family, for, um, for those that had fallen away, et cetera, et cetera. Those that might fall away in the future. And you have to do that for a whole year. And I attempted it, and I could not do it. It took, I think it took at least 15 minutes to do all those prayers, if not a little bit longer. And it just, Seemed overwhelming and so I basically gave up.
And then a few years later, so my youngest was born in 2008, so somewhere between 2009 and 2011, um, I kind of intentionally said I need to start doing my own prayers. So I just started. Um, with a small list of prayers and it's evolved to a book. It's evolved to my lone little book I created. Wow. Um, with my husband's help. Um, and it takes all the prayers I have in there.
Some of them were from like the, uh, my girl, my kids have gone to camp through our parish and they have a little booklet with, so those prayers that were added at some point, um, So it's just a collection. I've consecrated myself to Mary, so there are certain prayers I'm supposed to do for the consecration. So there's those in there. I do, one that's, technically Father Riper was the one that told me to do it.
So Father Riper was a, um, Priest here in our area, and we had, my husband and I had seen him and so he told us to do this prayer called the Auxilian Christian, NorAm Christian, I think I'm saying it correctly. And it, it's a longer prayer. Um, and I've been doing that since the day he asked us to do it. We were supposed to do it as a, as a couple. We haven't done, done well as a couple at doing it, but I haven't given it up.
Um, and so there's just all these little prayers that I do in the morning. And then at some point in the last, so about, I think it was two years ago, maybe three, I went back and I visited doing, the 15 St. Bridge prayers, and I did it for a whole year. I was very proud of myself, but I had to, I think, so what I might guess my point is to that.
Is that by building up the muscle of, of getting up every day and doing prayers, I was finally able to successfully do something that meant a lot to me to do. Um, and when I first started the process of doing the daily prayers, there were, you know, they life would get in the way, you know, so I wasn't always up early. I tried to, but there was be mornings I wasn't up early for whatever reason. And so there were times where I couldn't get 'em all in and I would end up doing them in the car.
Like I just, I mean, you, you, so I have a little booklet that I don't have 'em all a hundred percent memorized, but if I start the beginning of it, I pretty much know the, the prayer. Does that make sense? Yes, absolutely. So I would, so I'll just take my little booklet with me I think for the first couple years I was really consistent on making sure I did all of those prayers every day.
No, no matter what, I remember being sick and driving my daughter to a soccer game, which was very far away with all the kid in the car, and I end up being, I end up having a fever. I had to drive from here to Boise, which is about a six to eight hour drive, and I did stop and I literally had a fever for a week. I, someone else had to take care of all the kids mm-hmm. When I got there. But I made sure every day in the car I got all of those prayers done.
Which I mean in some ways is kind of crazy, but it was kind of like to prove to myself at that point that I could, I could stick to something and be consistent. And I think that was really important to me at that point in my life. Yeah, and just showing the Lord. I mean, I think a lot of times we get caught up in like, if we show up in our prayer and we're distracted or we have all these thoughts, you know that that's this terrible thing, but.
Struggling in prayer and constantly returning back to the Lord is so much more important than having, you know, the quote unquote perfect prayer time. Um, and so I think that that's represented too in your, in your dedication of just showing up and like showing God that I'm committed to spending this time with you. And one of my favorite sayings is pray as you can not as, you can't, not all of us are at the same. Place in our spiritual journey.
And you attested to that a little bit too, like early on in your prayer life looked very different than it does now. I mean, now you spend a significant amount of time in the morning in prayer. I know for me, I spend much more amount of time in the morning in prayer and it's, it's shifted because now I plan everything else around my prayer time rather than it used to be. Prayer, wherever I can fit it in. And if I do oversleep mm-hmm. Which does happen sometimes, then mm-hmm.
It's like I say those extra prayers in the car, or I say those extra prayers while I'm doing the dishes and mm-hmm. And the goal is to obviously be praying unceasingly anyway, but having that set amount of time where you can kind of, I think, shift a little bit from vocal prayer to more mental prayer is a huge game changer. Yeah. And that praying unceasingly. So what's happened for me is that I'll find myself at night sometimes not able to sleep. Mm-hmm.
And what I do to sleep, or what I'll even find when I'm struggling at night is I'll be praying the ro uh, praying Hail Mary's or the Rosary. Um, sometimes it'll put me back to sleep and sometimes. I get frustrated cuz I've done a lot of Hail Marys or a lot of decades of their, like, I think one night in the last month I did 15 decades. I forgot to, I do 15 decades of the rosary daily, personally uhhuh and, and pretty much each decade is for a different member of my family.
And, um, I had forgotten that day. So it does happen that I forget and I, if I do forget, I try really hard to at least do five decades of the rosary. But that day I'd forgotten. And so I ended up getting all done in the middle of the night when I couldn't sleep. It was kinda an interesting thing. I still couldn't sleep after the 15th. It took a very long time. I don't know what was wrong that night. I have found. So there are, um, Dan Burke, I don't know if you know who that is.
He talks about this a lot, but having like a plan of love and they talk about this on spiritual direction.com too. And so part of my plan of love is, is the daily rosary, along with, you know, my morning mental prayer and my daily exam at night and those kinds of things. And I have found when the day has gotten away from me or I'm out of my routine, and so I didn't get my rosary in at my regular time or I couldn't finish it.
Sometimes I will wake up in the middle of the night and I end up finishing it. And so that's fascinating that that happens to you sometimes too, or it seems like you're getting those extra Hail Marys in, um, and you'll just wake up and that's what comes to your mind yeah. Yeah. That's really cool. And, and another good thing, I don't know if you've anybody's ever heard this before, but another nice thing is when you do fall asleep praying in the rosary, your garden angel will finish it for you.
I find that to be a beautiful thought. Mm-hmm. So like, if I didn't finish it, at least I know that the, my guardian angel is finishing it for me. Mm-hmm. Also, so Father Riper was close to you. No, not close. He was at a parish here, um, which wasn't our actual home parish at the time. It is now. And there was just something going on and we were told that we should go see him. So we made an appointment and we went and had a meeting with him as husband and wife. Ah, and it was very helpful.
And, and then he quickly was transferred like within a month or two after that. So, so I, I've met him, in fact, he was here for a funeral, um, a couple weeks ago. And so he came to for the funeral and um, one of the ladies I was talking to, she's like, I'm gonna go up and talk to him cuz he was very helpful during a time in her life. And um, I was impressed cuz she actually went and did it. Cause I'm like, I thought about that. I'm like, well, he's not gonna remember me.
I mean, it was just one time that he ever met me and she had gone up several times trying to get help. She was going through a really hard time. And he didn't remember when he saw her, but when she talked about the situation, I was like, oh yeah, I remember you. You know, I just wanted to get a picture with him while I was here, but I was too chicken. Yeah. So for anyone listening to this, he didn't wanna be that person who doesn't know who Father Chad Riper is.
He is an exorcist and he has some incredible YouTube videos out. Um, and then I'm curious, is this the Deliverance prayers book? Is that, do you have that one? It's in there. Yes, it's in there. Okay. It's inside there. Auxilium Christianorum that you talked about is in here. Okay. Yes, it's. So for anyone listening that has never heard of that, this is, uh, deliverance Prayers for Use by The Laity by Father Chad Ripperger.
So it's just a, it's a small little black book, uh, and I think I was, I heard about it probably about a year ago, and, um, I thoroughly enjoyed a lot of the prayers in here and I think they're very helpful. So if you're looking for something to add to your prayer list, that might be something to check out. Good resource. Yes. What are your other favorite prayer resources, either for yourself or that you've utilized with your kids? Do you have any favorites that come to mind?
That's an interesting question. So for many, many years I have used, so from the beginning of my days of beginning to my prayer life, I would use the Pieta prayer book. Okay. So that was my beginning. I really liked, oh, what is it called? It's like this, but it's for the English mass. I attend a Latin mouse, so I have now Benedictus. And it's a little book that has all the readings for each day of the week. And there's a counterpart for the English mass.
And I used to get that Magnificant Magnificant came to me. Mm-hmm. So I used to use the Magnificat. And now that I go to the Latin Mass primarily, I get the Benedictus cuz it's got, so it has a morning prayer in there, or a morning, um, what would they call it? Morning, I think, yeah. Evening devotion. Morning devotion.
So I, I pray that that, um, my other resources just, well, I guess they came from the Pieta and then I was talking about the prayers that the, um, that they would have in a booklet that they created for the, um, camps that they thought the kids should be doing, which were active Faith, active Hope af, active charity, um, And then, um, yeah, the affairs are, are ones that are from making a consecration. So I do the Little Crown of the Blessed Virgin Mary. Mm-hmm.
I don't know if many people have heard of, but it was in my consecration book and it was something that, you know, that you should say daily and it's. It's a longer one. Did you do the, uh, full Louie Demont firs consecration or did you do one of like the I did the full one. Me too. And I, I've also done 33 Days to Morning Glory, but I, I think I used Days the Morning Glory as like a preparatory for doing the full one.
And I, I had a friend who recommended like, do the whole, do the whole thing and it was so worth it for me to do the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. I did Louis Montford and then last year I did the 33 Days to Glory. I haven't renewed this year and I passed my time, but I just, I did the mystical City of God with Michelle Dunn. Okay. So I've read the, um, the, she did a book study on this book about, it's by Venerable Mary of Agita, and it's about the life of Mary. It's called the mystical City of God.
And it's such a, it's, this is the abridged version, so it's, it just took up, I mean, there's only so much time in a day. Yes. So I haven't gotten to my renewing my concentration, which is on my list of things to actually do. Um, and I'm also now reading the full version of that mystical city of God, but very slowly with one other friend from our area, my area.
Yeah, I'm a total book nerd and I actually just today I was running errands and I stopped at the thrift store and they had, the Diary of St. Faustina and I was like, oh, it's only 74 cents. Like, add it to my book collection. But like you said, they, it's so hard. And then the further I journey in my prayer life, the less I actually read during my, I mean, I don't do a lot of spiritual reading during my prayer time at all. Or even my adoration hours, I don't really read.
So it's like, Then you need extra time for your spiritual reading. But the one thing I have used a lot lately, like if I'm, if I'm struggling to really enter into prayer is, and I've mentioned this before on the podcast, is, the better part by, father Bartunek. And that's just on the gospels. So it's still scripture reading, but he has some really great, reflections. So I've used that this lent a little bit too. Give me a sec. Let me grab 'em. Okay. I'll be right back.
For those of you who are on the podcast, are listening to the podcast version and not the YouTube version. I will try to put a list of all of these in the notes. So that you can access them fairly quickly. And if that's something that you are interested in ordering or looking for, I always recommend going through, thrift books if you don't wanna buy 'em new or, uh, there are a couple of other Catholic sites that you can order your books through.
Just trying to support those Catholic organizations is always really awesome. Okay, well I'll have to give you the other book. For you to put in the, in there. Cause I can't remember the name of it, but it's, yes. So I'll find it and give you the name. But the other, another a good source is Trustful Surrender to Divine Providence. Okay. From Tan Books, good meditations in there.
And then I have another one that was recommended by a priest and it, it deals a lot with the different things that I like, patience and. Trust and different things. So it's another one I've, I've read, I've meditated on two times now, so gone through the whole book twice. Yeah. You know, it's a good one when you go back on my book though, so I'll have to find it for you. Yeah. You know it's a good book when you go back through it more than once. Yes, yes.
All right, so before we close here, I would like to know you are going to start Catholic Coaching Certification. What led you to that? Yes. First of all, how long have you been receiving coaching? I joined M C A a year ago during Let, okay. Ooh. And it's a funny story. It wasn't something I was looking for. I didn't really know about Catholic coaching. I knew about coaching before, but not Catholic coaching. Mm-hmm. And I wasn't looking for coaching. It just came across my feed.
Instagram or Facebook, but it just kind of came across and they were, Erin and Matt were talking and it just kind of resignated with me. Um, and I kind of thought, oh, that might help me to express myself better with, with people or, you know, it just kind of seemed like something I needed. So, um, and they were talking, it was a, they were talking about coaching. So I talked about Purgative way, I believe, and I kind of wanted to join Purgative way at the time.
But not even really understanding any of what anything was. I ended up joining the M C A and then shortly after, I was so enthralled by what, what I was learning and how it was making a difference in my life that I, um, uh, talked to 'em about the coaching and they started. So I was the first one in, coaching. Catholic Coaching Foundations. I was the first person admitted to that. Oh, I did not know that. So I went through that whole thing all by myself mostly.
And then when the cohort came up, I redid the whole thing again. Very cool. So for anyone listening that does not know, or who hasn't heard me talk about this on the podcast, we're talking about Matt and Aaron Ingold, who are the founders of Metanoia Catholic. Metanoia Catholic is the. They coach Catholic coaches. And so I was a member of Purgative Way. That is how I got my Catholic coach training.
and I continue to be educated and train with Matt and Erin and the rest of their incredible, group over there. They have. Phenomenal coaches, which is why I trust them to continue my coaching process as I go through it myself. I always wanna get better and I'm so excited that Michele is joining as well. And I think it's another testament of the transformation that happens when you get coached, like you mm-hmm.
See that transformation in yourself and you want it so badly for others to just experience it because like you, I wasn't looking. I think for me it was kind of a pride thing, like, ah, I can figure stuff out on my own. You know, I didn't really need some, I wasn't looking for someone to help me.
I more wanted to learn how to be a coach, and then I thought figured out that when I actually got coached, how much that transformed me, and it just made me even more passionate about becoming a coach myself. Yes. I love how it changes how you look at a situation and you're not always looking at the situation from just your eyes, you know, and you can come and you can show up to different things just despite changing how you're gonna look at it.
So you can change up ch show up more attentive to things that maybe you weren't dying to do. Just by changing the way you, you look at it. Yes. And I think, um, that's important too, is you know, we're talking about prayers showing up and being more attentive with things that maybe you don't wanna do, like getting up at for you 4 45 in the morning, that is not something that sounds appealing to most people. Nope. How did you start that? I tend, so where I live, I live in north Idaho.
It in the summer, it's bright at four in the morning. Oh, wow. Okay. And it doesn't get dark till 10. Um, so, and I am more of a morning person than I am a night person. So at some point, I just started getting up earlier and earlier. I mean, sometimes I have to get up. So I do adoration, two different days a week. So Tuesdays and Thursdays I have a set hour that I'm committed to be at the adoration chapel. Um, on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
Um, Thursdays it's at 6:00 AM so that's a very difficult thing cuz I'm tend to be anal re attendant, so I have to do all the prayers. Before I get, because, you know, aberration hasn't, isn't the time for me to do my normal prayers. That's an extra added on, like I should be doing some other stuff. So I get up earlier on those days so I can prep myself with the things that I would normally do in my day and then get dressed, get, and it's a 20 minute drive, to the church and go and, and do.
Some other things there, um, and come back. And then I do the same thing, but not as early. It's, it's a 7:00 AM so I try to go to six 30 mass and then go to 7:00 AM So I'm, I'm a little crazy. Not everybody can fit all of that in. And it's easier now that I don't have little kids. I mean, so if you have little kids, please don't feel like you should have to do anything like that cuz that's way crazy. Um, but you know, you do what you can do when as you can do it. That's how I would word it.
If that makes sense. Yeah, I think that's absolutely the truth. You start with five minutes, how do you, how do you put five minutes of prayer into your day and then you build and you build, and if you are truly connecting with the Lord, he's gonna keep calling you to more. Right. He's, and you're gonna desire more because you know the fruits that come from that relationship with him. I love how you said that cuz it's true.
The more you, the more that I've build my relationship up with God, the more I'm wanting to do and willing to do. And that's why, I mean, I'm sure it's a little overwhelming how much I said I do, but it's only because I've been called in my life to do it. Mm-hmm. And I do it for different reasons. You know, I have a lot to pray for. I have a lot of kids. Amen. We all have a lot. I think that's so true. Not the perfect person.
So, and I have lots of siblings and stuff too, so, I mean, there's a lot of people to pray for in the world. Absolutely. And I think that that's a perfect way to close this too. It's just this reminder that wherever you are in your life, whatever stage of life you're in, your prayer life is going to look different. Number one. Number two, we're all called to something. It doesn't have to look the same as someone else's, but we're all called to holiness.
And number three, the reminder that as mothers, whether you are, I mean, you do business from home, so you're working, you're also homeschooling. whatever walk of life you are in, you can have deep, meaningful prayer lives and you can continue on that path towards sainthood. But you do have to make an effort and you do have to prioritize it.
It doesn't just like fall into your lap and happen, like you have to make the effort, especially at the beginning to show up and when you mess up or you fail, like you talked about the St. Bridge repairs, like you failed. Okay? You weren't ready for that at that point in your life, but you didn't just forget about it. You came back to it and you tried it again and you were successful. Yep. Just keep. Keep forging ahead. Thank you so much for joining me today. This was awesome.
I can't wait till you, publish your prayer book so that I can get a copy because I'm fascinated now. And I think as you start your own, whether you decide to do coaching business on the side or if you just decide to get the coaching for so you can coach your loved ones, whatever you decide to do with that in the future, I think that is something that people would be excited about. So let me know. I, I wanna share it. Thank you with everyone. Thank you for having me.
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