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EPISODE 47 - The Phone Stalker

Nov 07, 202336 minSeason 1Ep. 47
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Ever laugh so hard at the random absurdities of life that you forget the world around you? Well, strap in as we take you on a whirlwind journey from the giggly highs of pantsing pranks and the hilariously misunderstood resting bitch face, to the anticipation of our Patriots day celebration. 

But it's not all fun and games. Come join us as we delve into the chilling real-life story of  Courtney Kuykendall , a victim of a horrifying phone stalker who invaded the peace of her quiet Washington suburb. This isn’t your typical ‘stranger danger’ tale. It's a story that unearths the terrifying reality of identity invasion and manipulation. This fiend knew everything, from what Courtney and her family wore to the code of their security system. The stalking escalated so much that two neighbouring families began receiving the same eerie calls. With the baffling mystery still unsolved and theories about phone spoofing, roving bugs, and Myspace ringtones floating around, we ask: how safe are we, really, from the eyes and ears of the unseen? Prepare for an episode that will tickle your funny bone one minute, and send chills down your spine the next.

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Speaker 1

morning , morning , morning . Gosh , I've got the light directly on my face , you can see everything , is it for for effect ? It's just yeah .

Speaker 2

That is good . Have you had a panzing lately ?

Speaker 1

No , oh she , she did try and get me the other day , but they didn't come quite down and I was like unsuccessful . You wait on holiday . We're going to be on the boat and she's going to be like on her camera , like wow , and I'm going to go pounce . They're going to go pounce .

She's going to reach up in the airplane , reach up to the cabin bin to get something out . You'll have to encourage her to wear something .

Speaker 2

You've got to wear something comfy for the flight .

Speaker 1

We've got joggy bottoms for the flight .

Speaker 2

Maybe you should put like a pair of like cycling shorts or something under your secretly . In case the unexpected pants in come Exactly , then you can just be like it's a panzing , but I'm in my shorts , yeah in your face .

Speaker 1

She'll be like , oh , can you reach up there really high and grab that ?

Speaker 2

for me , please , you'll be like , absolutely not .

Speaker 1

I wouldn't . I'd be like , yeah sure I'd forget about panting , then I'd be publicly pounced . Yeah , public panting .

Speaker 2

Random blam go . I was just about to get in there .

Speaker 1

Why do I forget about this ? Every time we record , I forget about random blam .

Speaker 2

Don't learn , do you ?

Speaker 1

A random blam . Somebody once told me that they didn't want to speak to me because they thought I looked like a bitch . There you go , that's a good one . We became friends after that , but she was like I didn't want to speak to you because I thought you was going to be alright bitch .

Speaker 2

I don't think you look like a bitch .

Speaker 1

Oh my gosh , my face really does . Have you got breast in bitch face ? Really really bad . I look like I've constantly raging . When I edit the episodes , I put them on and I think my face looks so disinterested when I'm listening to you I look like fuming .

Speaker 2

I mean you look bored a lot . I do look so bored . I get that view from people a lot because you know it's me and I talk a lot . I just carry on , but rest in bitch face .

Speaker 1

It is a real problem .

Speaker 2

I have a breast in bitch face a lot People think that , alright , you go . I am a New England Patriots fan . Alright , is that a football , american football ? And I'll probably upset most of our American listeners by saying that .

Speaker 1

Are they not a good team ?

Speaker 2

No , they are a good team . They're a very good team , but it's a controversial team . It's like no , not really , it's like footy over here . Do you know what I mean ? It's like when someone . When someone says you know , I'm West Ham supporter and you don't want to be a Tottenham fan . Oh , that's all good .

Oh god , we're just upset because we're all on the same page . Everyone's like , unsubscribe , unsubscribe , unlike . So this year on , my birthday is on the 11th of November . Lewis's birthday is on the 13th . So Lewis decided a couple of years ago that he wants to celebrate his birthday and my birthday on the 12th .

So now , forever more , my birthday will be on the 12th of November instead of the 11th . So this year there is actually a Patriots game on the 12th , and the time difference is normally way out , so I end up watching games until early hours of the morning . But on the 12th this year there's a game that's on at 2 o'clock in the afternoon .

So me and Lewis have said , after many questions of what do you want to do for your birthday , where do you want to go for your birthday , me and Lewis are going to have a Patriots day on the 12th of November . We're going to sit in the cinema room . We're going to watch the Patriots game . Have your corn dogs , have our corn dogs and our beers .

Yeah , it'll be good . Looking forward to that , oh .

Speaker 1

I threw in it you fucked it up . I threw it in again . What were you ?

Speaker 2

going to say I don't know how this episode is going to go . At least it was worth it .

Speaker 1

Jess said to me this morning I can't remember what I went to say . I went to say something and it didn't work . She went what goes on in your head ? She said I can imagine that in your head there's just somebody on a penny far thing just going round and round and round .

Yeah , I was like you're pretty accurate there and it goes to grab for words and it just fucking misses Cycles right past them .

Speaker 2

Yeah , my brain constantly does that . It sits there and goes what are we doing ? What are we talking about ? I'm pretty sure it was something important . And then something else goes nothing's important . Nothing , you say , is that important ? And I'm like , no , that's true .

And then by that time , about half an hour has gone by , someone's been talking to me and I've been going listening to myself , going what was it ? What were you going to say ? Oh , do you remember the picture of that guinea pig the other day ? That was true , I love guinea pigs . And Claire goes do you want to or not ? And I go yeah , yes , I do .

And she's like really , and I'm like nothing , oh god , I'm too deep . I'm too deep , I'm like I don't know . What do you want to do ? That's you .

Speaker 1

You decide , fucking guinea pigs , you're going to end up in Tulsa .

Speaker 2

Yeah , well , that's how we ended up going to that flipping festival where everyone was like naked and high and I was like how did we end up here ? I don't think we're safe , I don't want to be here . She said you want me to come . I was like you said it was okay . You said she wanted to go , so I was thinking of guinea pigs .

Music , music , music , music .

Speaker 1

Morning Morning . Morning morning everyone . Well , today's episode , yeah , is the one that I'd ever heard of , to be honest , until I was doing some research and I come across it and I was like that is creepy enough . So today , the phone stalker .

So February 2007 , three families were living in a quiet suburb of Washington and they started to receive strange phone calls from an unknown source . They all started with the Kirk and Dale family , 16 year old Courtney Kirk and Dale's phone started acting weird .

It had been sending text messages to her friends of its own free will just one single word , and it was clearly meant to be derogatory , and it was sent to a few of Courtney's friends . What word ?

Speaker 2

Gay oh Gay .

Speaker 1

Gay . Courtney's best friend and also neighbor , Taylor McKay , received one of these messages and she was shocked because it was very out of character for Courtney . She wouldn't send just a random message to her friends just saying gay . So she confronted Courtney about it and she said why did you send that ? What was the point in sending that ?

But Courtney was like I didn't send that . She was so confused by it and she went through a text log and realized that it had been sent to a few different people and she hadn't done it . She had not sent that message . But things very quickly took a much darker turn .

After the strange text message incident , courtney started to receive a barrage of phone calls from somebody with a scratchy voice . Every day , declarations of hatred and threats of murderous intent were coming in at all hours of the day and night .

One day Courtney received a phone call simply saying I know where you are , I know where you are , I know where you are .

And , as if that wasn't terrifying enough , after deciding that she wouldn't answer her phone anymore so she'd be receiving these phone calls all the time , you know , answering it like hello and receiving all these death threats and things , she thought I'm not gonna answer my phone anymore and she ignored all the calls and she ignored the voicemails and she ignored the

texts . Her phone rang one day and instead of the like upbeat chirpy ringtone that she was used to hearing . The ringtone had been changed to the caller's voice saying over and over Aim to defend , aim to defend , aim to defend . I'm just creepy in it , the death threats started to escalate .

The caller was now promising to slit the entire family's throat , kill the family's pets . The caller even said that they would kill her grandparents . And they named these people . So they named the family members , they named the family pets and they named the grandparents .

Speaker 2

That's terrifying , isn't it ? My family , particularly Claire , are feisty , so like they can handle themselves . But I'll tell you what you come for my pets . I'm gonna take you down .

Speaker 1

No one could understand how or why this was happening . Courtney was a popular , well-liked teenager . She was 16 , she was in high school . She didn't have any enemies at the school that she knew of , so no one could explain why she was the target of these like terrifying phone calls .

And it wasn't long before Courtney's mum , heather , started receiving very similar calls and texts . Along with the calls , the family were now also hearing banging and knocking on their doors and windows . At night , the family would sit like huddled together in the front room .

They would hear this banging and this knocking and they would phone the police and they would just sit huddled together waiting for the police to arrive . But the noise always stopped before the police got there . There was never anybody there . The police never found anybody , so they didn't know .

You know , was the caller just stalking their phones or was he watching the house ? Was he ? Did he know where they all lived , and so they just had no idea . But they soon got their answer when they calls and text messages started describing in great detail what they were wearing and what they were doing .

The caller also seemed to know who was in the house at the time . The family started to grow very fearful and went to the police , but the police were like the uh that I don't know .

Speaker 2

Is that a direct quote ? What are you coming to me for ? Police were like what Eves ?

Speaker 1

What Eves ? No , the police were dumbfounded . They said that they didn't know of any technology that could change somebody's ring tone or send texts from their phone without physically coming into contact with that person's phone . So they had no idea ? No , they had no idea .

They , you know , they knew that you could stalk people and , uh , you know the havin' garage and phone because yeah , exactly , but not to the extent of what was going on . So they advised the family to change phones , change phone numbers , change phone providers .

Um , the family also started covering the cameras on their phones with tape in case the caller was spying on them that way . So do you remember when webcams were a quite a massive thing and everybody started covering their webcams ? Yeah , in case people could see through them . I can't see you anymore .

So , yeah , they started covering the cameras in case he was using the cameras to spy on the family . So the family also took to turning off their phones at night or , you know , when they wasn't using them , or anything like that .

Um , but what was happening was that they would turn their phones off , but then the phones would turn back on a few minutes later . So they just had no control over their phones . How is that even possible ?

Speaker 2

How is it even possible to turn ?

Speaker 1

someone's phone on . We will discuss that at the end . Please don't be in the hain-moss . Courtney's mum , heather , also changed all the locks on the house and installed a completely new security system .

But horrifyingly , once the new system had been installed , heather received a voicemail from the caller bragging about knowing the code to arm and disarm the new system , and he left the voicemail and he told it what the code was . He knew absolutely everything and soon after this , two neighbouring families began to receive the same calls .

Now , one of the neighbours was a relative of the Kirkandale family and the other neighbour was Courtney's best friend , taylor McKay , and her family . So Taylor McKay soon became another victim of this caller and she would receive just as much harassment as Courtney had . Because of how the name appeared on the screen all the time the caller .

They actually gave him the nickname of restricted because whenever it would call up , that's how it would show come up as restricted . So whenever they spoke about him in conversation , it was always oh , restricted called , restricted said this , restricted said that . So that's how they always referred to him .

And not only were the three families now receiving threatening phone calls , they also were receiving voicemails of , like they were recordings of their day to day conversations . So they would be sitting in the family room having a conversation and then somebody's phone would go off and the voicemail would play the conversation that they just had .

They just had , yeah , and there was even a voicemail left which was a recording of the conversation the Kirkandales had with the police officer at the station . So when they went to the station to report what was going on , that had been recorded and then sent to them and it was almost like a threat , like don't go to the police type threat .

And a terrifying call came in one day to the McKay family . Andrea McKay , who is Taylor's mother , said that while her kids were in school , restricted , called her and said he said there will be a shooting today at the school , so don't send your kids , they will be dead , so dead , oh my God .

So she immediately got in touch with the school to make sure that her children were safe and thankfully nothing happened . There was no , you know , shooting at the school . But in an interview later on Andrea actually said that from that call on words her level of fear went from . You know this , this is such a pain . This is a little bit inconvenient .

Speaker 2

This is annoying . Yeah To uncontrollable fear and anxiety that she now had that she kind of upped it a level Like they were actually in danger .

Speaker 1

They weren't just a problem , it weren't just everywhere . Yeah , watching and listening . And she also said that one day when she was cutting limes in her kitchen ready for dinner , a voicemail came through and the callers voice just really ominously , it just said I prefer lemons . You'd be like , no , I'm done , no more , I'll be like nope .

But I'll tell you what .

Speaker 2

I would not let go of that knife that I was cutting limes with . I'd have been so stabby .

Speaker 1

So the calls to the McKay family had now become so frequent , worse than that of the Kierkin Dells , so much so that in one month their phone bill was over $1,000 . So when I read that I was like why ? But actually he's using their phone to send text messages and to call , oh my God . So he's actually racking up their phone bill as well .

So they Because , if you're not , fuming enough .

Speaker 2

They're being harassed and they're also . They're paying for the paying for it . Yeah , Geez .

Speaker 1

So Andrea decided that she needed to take some action . She needed to figure out what was going on and to stand up to this person .

So she figured that if both girls were primarily the targets , courtney and Taylor were pretty much constantly getting these phone calls and you know , it did affect the other family members , but not nearly as much as it was affecting Courtney and Taylor , right ? So Question Of course you can .

Speaker 2

Thank you . Did they consider getting new phones ?

Speaker 1

Yes , okay , I think I did say earlier that they changed their phone and stuff , but I'll go through that . I'll go through that .

Speaker 2

So I was thinking of guinea pigs .

Speaker 1

So she assumed that you know , it must be something to do with the girls , and the girls went to the same school . She thought maybe it's somebody with a vendetta against the girls or something like that .

So what she'd done was she scheduled a meeting with the head teacher to kind of keep her in the loop and tell her what was happening and , just you know , see if anything would come out of it , if anything could be done .

She sat down at the table with Taylor , turned both of their phones turned off , placed them face up on the table , and while Andrea was explaining to the head teacher about these calls , about the strange behaviour that the phone was having , about the stalking and you know everything else that was going on , both of their phones powered back on and Andrea's phone

buzzed shortly after it turned back on and it received a text message from Taylor's phone that had been turned off . What so ? He was able to access their phones even when they were powered down .

The head decided to go back to the police after her daughter , courtney , had been babysitting one evening and she had received a call from restricted and she answered it , and the caller began to describe what she was wearing , where she was . You know the exact location where she was who's and who was in the house with her .

Nope , she quickly hung up the phone and , like , looked about . She looked out the windows , you know if anybody can see who's in the house with her , and they must be close by . So she kind of had a little search about but she didn't find anything . And the police still had no idea how the stalker was able to do what he was doing .

They , they knew if phone hacking they'd encountered that before . They knew stalking they'd encountered that before . But this was just like a completely on a different level . So the police contacted the cell providers to see if they could get a better understanding of how this would work . But they were also perplexed , completely baffled by what they was being told .

They actually said that , to their knowledge , what the family claimed was happening to them was impossible . They said to the police that the technology to do what was being done just didn't exist .

Speaker 2

It was 2007 , you know , but there was polyphonic ringtones and other I mean , I wouldn't figure snake , I wouldn't have thought that that was possible now to access someone's phone when it's powered off . I just well , it scares me .

Speaker 1

So the providers tried to trace the source of these restricted phone calls , but what they found was it was all coming from Courtney's phone .

Speaker 2

It's coming from within the house .

Speaker 1

It was coming from within the house . So this cast a lot of doubt over the allegations . The police were skeptical anyways because they didn't think that it could be happening . And now that they had just been told that actually it was coming from one of their their own phones , they was able to get search warrants .

I think they were able to get eight search warrants for the family and their home , but they turned up nothing . They didn't find anything . They went through the phones and , you know , found all the text messages and voice mails and things .

Speaker 2

But so did it actually look like it had been actually sent ? Like , were the messages on both phones looking like they'd been sent ?

Speaker 1

It's not clear . He did say that when she first sent the well , she didn't . When the phones first sent the message saying gay , she was able to see that that message had been sent . So I'm assuming that if you , if they , she went on a call log , it would be like oh God , he's called all of these people . Yeah , he's going to cost me a fortune .

Yeah , yeah , I guess .

Speaker 2

So I'm guessing that it would have provided a trail , yeah , but the trail stops there , doesn't it ? So it's like yeah .

Speaker 1

So , because the police had turned up nothing you know they had they still had no idea . They then enlisted the help of a specialist technology investigator which is a really cool job title , Isn't it ? Specialist technology investigator ? So it's his job to investigate any you know specialist technology Exactly Technological .

And he spent over 50 work hours trying to locate restricted and trying to find out where it was coming from , and he also found nothing .

So FBI investigators were contacted and surveillance experts within the FBI told the police that hackers actually would have no trouble doing what restricted had been doing , and they said that it's actually incredibly easy to spoof a phone number . Now , for those of you that don't do this , because hopefully that's , everyone yeah .

You shouldn't know what spoofing is , but I had no idea . So spoofing is when the caller ID displays on the phone from it looks like it's coming from a different location .

Yeah , so I mean , you've probably had it and I've had it where a mobile number will ring and you answer it and it's clearly a business or you know somebody trying to sell you something , and they're not doing it off a mobile phone . You can tell that . So that is what spoofing is .

It basically redirects where it's coming from , and they said that that's quite an easy thing to do . So , despite it being easy enough to do , they said that it was virtually impossible to trace where the spoof number was actually coming from . So they will trace it back to wherever it had been spoofed to , but not the actual regional location .

But they can't do a reverse spoof . They can't do a reverse spoof . No , they cannot . The technology for that does not exist in 2007 . Reverse spoofing technology . So they believe that Kourtney's phone number had been spoofed and that's why all the phone calls and texts and things were coming back to her .

That doesn't , however , explain how the phones powered on by themselves , how Courtney's ring tone had been changed . You know , any of the other strange things that had been going on . But the FBI surveillance team believed that Courtney's phone had been infected with a virus .

Now this virus was called the roving bug and this was a technology that the FBI had already been using and they used it to keep tabs on mob bosses and to gather evidence of you know deals and things like that that were going on before they made an arrest . So they was quite aware of how this would happen .

So when the roving bug is installed on a phone , the phone can then be accessed remotely , so without any need for physical access , and whether the phone is on or not . That would then explain how texts were being sent when the phone was off and you know these sort of things .

But what they couldn't understand is why a 16 year old girl's phone would be infected with this bug . It was a cutting edge technology at the time and it was only being used by the FBI .

And also it didn't explain why the stalking continued after Courtney got a new phone and got a new phone number , because the bug would have been the phone that she had was the one that was infected . So one theory is that Courtney had downloaded a polyphonic ringtone from Myspace and it was that ringtone that had the virus .

So do you remember when you polyphonic ringtones were the best and you used to get magazines and create ?

Speaker 2

your own polyphonic ringtone .

Speaker 1

God miss those times . But they believed that obviously if she got a new phone she'd want the same ringtone . So she would then re-download the ringtone which was infected with the bug which would then infect the new phone . So the hacker would still have the same access . So he would then also have access to all of the contacts on her phone .

So he would then have her mum's number , her dad's number , her family member's number who lived next door , her best friend's number who lived opposite .

Speaker 2

She's literally got to start like everything completely from scratch .

Speaker 1

Yeah , but it a bit . But the family ? But wait , the family changed phones and phone providers three times and each time they did they would receive a new message from restricted . So he knew that they were changing .

Speaker 2

That must be so annoying , all that expense and trouble and changing your phone number , letting everyone know that you've changed your phone number , all of that , and then he goes hi , it's me again .

Speaker 1

Hi , I'm the problem , it's me .

Speaker 2

You forgot to add me to your contacts , but don't worry , I've done it and they're like oh .

Speaker 1

So the phone calls , the messages , the voicemails , they continued every night for four months before it suddenly stopped . No one was ever caught . No one has ever had any idea how or why this happened to the families . No , what is it ? Unsolved , completely unsolved , how Completely .

Damn you , experts have suggested that the caller would have needed expert technology skills and a whole range of different hacking techniques in order to accomplish what was being done .

So had the , you know , the roving bug is one theory that the court and his phone was infected with that , but it doesn't explain some of the other things that were going on , you know , but why she changed phones three times and still infected . Another theory is that he was an expert hacker , absolutely expert , no-transcript .

That also didn't explain why it targeted Courtney and they assumed that it was a teenage boy that had some sort of vendetta , and most teenage boys wouldn't have that level of technological expertise or hacking equipment or you know anything like that . Was it all a hoax ?

Was it cutting edge technology used by the FBI that somehow found its way onto Courtney's phone ? Yeah , how was the microphone accessed and able to record their conversations ?

Speaker 2

Yeah , because the conversation was recorded even when they were in the police station . Yeah , what ?

Speaker 1

do you ?

Speaker 2

know much about the family , is it likely that they're a little bit no , no , no Attention seeking or Not at all .

Speaker 1

Not at all . It was a very quiet sort of neighbourhood . It did say in the information that the family had given interviews . I couldn't find any of the interviews but there was quotes from the interviews and Courtney said you know , why would I do this to my family ? What do I get out of doing this ? And her own family said she did not send these messages .

They was quite adamant that it was not Courtney that had done all of these things .

Speaker 2

They had the two phones on the desk when they went to see the principal . Yeah , is that right ?

Speaker 1

Yeah , so that was Taylor's and Andrea's . So the neighbours , Ah okay .

Speaker 2

So I was going to say so that would be like a witness to actually seeing it coming in .

Speaker 1

Yeah , but there was .

You know , ringtone had been changed to the creepy , creepy voice and there's quite a few theories online and one of the theories was that , you know , she just started it as a joke and then it got a little bit out of hand , so then she tried to kind of blow it out of proportion to make it look like it wasn't her or something like that .

But yeah , there's just a lot that doesn't add up . But yeah , the case remains completely unsolved this day and nobody knows who it was or why it was or how it happened .

Speaker 2

That is weird , isn't it ?

Speaker 1

Yeah , but also , if it is true , how terrifying .

Speaker 2

Yeah , really terrifying . Can you imagine that ? Just not being able to like get away from something ? In all honesty , if that was happening to me , I would just not have a phone .

Speaker 1

Well , that's what . That's what people are saying . One of the theories is you know , if that was happening , why don't you just take the battery out of your phone and just not use it ?

Speaker 2

You remember the days where you could take a battery out of your phone .

Speaker 1

Yeah , remember that , just sort the back off . Yeah , why didn't they just get like cheap phones that didn't have access to the internet or , you know , very basic phones that would kind of be unhackable ?

Speaker 2

Yeah .

Speaker 1

So why didn't they do all of that , if they generally were fearful ?

Speaker 2

Yeah , well , that's , that's how I feel , if I was constantly getting messages and voice recordings of my own conversation , things like that . Yeah , I just , but also go back to basics .

Speaker 1

She was a 16 year old girl and probably you know , most of the time she would be messaging her friends and , you know , keeping up to day on her socials and stuff , and I guess can you imagine , like Jess now going back to a phone , that you couldn't do any of that ?

Speaker 2

No no , no if it's not something that's going to function , youtube or TikTok should be lost . What , what does this break to ?

Speaker 1

So also there's that aspect as well is that she was a teenage girl and she kind of did want all of those extra things on her phone , so I was quite happy to put out with the deffrets as long as she could go on as long as she could watch kitten videos on TikTok yeah . Did you ever watch the show on Netflix ?

I can't remember what it was bloody called because I can never remember the Watcher . So it's very similar to that in that , but obviously that was done by a post .

Speaker 2

I was in Speed . A Watcher of the Watcher , yes , yeah .

Speaker 1

I like that . That's a great story .

Speaker 2

I like that . It was very much a . I think it's him , I think it's her , no , I think it's them .

Speaker 1

No , I think everything confirms who you think it is , until something does and you're like oh , I knew it wasn't them . Yeah .

Speaker 2

No , I knew it wasn't them , it's him . It's him . Oh no , I knew it wasn't . What are you talking ? About ? No , I didn't mean him , I mean the other one .

Speaker 1

The other one .

Speaker 2

Shut up and watch . Yeah , I can't hear it . I can't hear it . Yeah , no , that was cool , cool , cool .

Speaker 1

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Speaker 1

And you can find all the relevant links in the episode descriptions . Thanks for listening , bye , bye , are we in episode ? You broke up , then you broke up , then it was you , you and me , we're super excited We've got a . Just like just cut it all out . Just fucking give up , Just fucking give up .

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