¶ Funny Conversations and Random Plans
Honestly , josie rung me earlier . I just on my way back from the hospital and she was on her way to work and I just spoke to her and she was like , oh , I'm going to go listen to the newest episode now , bye . And then three minutes later she rung me back . She didn't even say hello , she just went . I'm going to start my own podcast , oh .
And I said , okay , she went , I'm going to call it Sarah's word fuck ups .
And I went oh God , what have I done now ? There's a whole lot of info that you could put into that .
Oh God , I can't remember what word it was . Oh , entirely . She said , I'd said the word entirely and I was like yeah .
What's your problem ?
Why is that ? Why is that going in the episode ? She was like no , it's entirely .
Yeah .
I said entirely yeah entirely Bicyclist . Yeah , I think I was going for the word entirely and also yeah go on . What , what else , entirety .
Entirety .
Yeah , but then they've merged and they've become a new word .
Yeah , well , maybe we could make a book like a new dictionary .
Yeah , Because also what I've noticed I've passed it on to Hayley .
Brilliant . So you're breeding another generation of entirely .
We've seen the car the other day and I was driving and I took my glasses off to her and I gave them to her and I said can you just clean them for me please ? And she was like she just got her . She was like how , how she's got a t-shirt and she started like just wiping the lens . I said , no , you need to scrubble it .
And she was like , oh , she started doing it . And I was like no , you need to scrubble it like this . And she was like I am scrubbing it like this . I was like , no , you're not scrubbing it properly .
You need to do it from both sides . It needs to be a proper scrubble .
You need to scrubble it like this . She didn't even question what I'd said . But then yesterday , when I went up to say goodnight to her , she was she'd bought herself a new pack of felts and she was creating these like she's making these little frog felt . And I was like , all right , put that down now it's time to go to bed .
And she's like okay , but I'm just going to leave this pinned here so that it shloops it down . And I said , oh okay , no worries .
Dosey must constantly be in the background going honestly she's fuming , but you've got your own language .
Yeah , hayley was in the kitchen one time and she was wearing shorts . I can't remember the conversation , but she said , oh , I'm going to go up and put some long ones on and I went oh okay , good idea . And Jossie went . Do you mean trousers ?
I just didn't even question .
Hayley comes down in long johns . I'm just going to go and put some long ones on as far as , as opposed to the short ones that you have on at the moment .
Yes , yes , shorts and trousers .
Long ones , short ones Long ones , short ones , good Lord . Yeah .
You're a special breed . Or a stupid breed Scrabbly short ones .
Yeah , these words just fly out of my mouth before my brain's got time to .
Yeah , and I mean even even then , even when your brain's got time to still happens .
It does .
Well , I apologise for my possibly rubbish audio , but this , this is my microphone today and I am recording on location . Yeah , where are you ? I am in a mystery cave .
What is beside you ? There's wonders , top of ware boxes . Do you know ? Do you know what these are ? No , are they animals ? Are they spiders ? They are tarantulas .
Yeah yeah , yes , it's . It's a weird and wonderful cave . It's my sister's room of requirement it looks just like a . Is that a flamingo wallpaper behind you ? Absolutely , is Flamingo wallpaper , just covered in flamingo . Elvira , mistress of the dark .
Yeah , obviously .
So it looks great .
If if during the episode , I don't know what any of those things are .
I know what you're going to say . If , during the episode , something happens over there , please don't tell me . Yeah .
I would just be like oh , there's a Hi On your shoulder .
They're very large .
Yeah , there's a large top of ware boxes .
Very large . What's their ?
whole room full of tarantulas .
I mean , it's a , it's a brilliant room . I mean there's so much in here that I'm absolutely fascinated by . Oh my God , I made this . Oh God , my troll .
Is that made up from clay ? It is , Look , there's the how old ?
how old were you ? Oh , 30 . No , that's not how it looks , I don't know . Maybe , I don't know seven or eight or something .
Okay , yeah , it's . Oh , you could have saved that for your plan . Round of plan Go Park .
Oh God , I don't , I don't know , do yours .
That's not how it works . You can't you know , card reverse it .
When I was seven or eight I made a troll out of clay , I don't know . Random plan . You have a Harley Davidson . No , I've sold it . Oh , I was , I was made to sell it , but I do , I still . I do still have a motorbike , but it's , yeah , it's a bit more apocalyptic motorbike . It's a bit rough and ready , that one . It's not a Harley , but that's all .
I've got . That's your random plan .
Yeah , all right , I can feel things touching me . It's very hot here as well , so I will be randomly using my little handy fan because it is incredibly warm . Okay , so I apologize . Random plan Go .
Go when I was . I'm going to go ahead and say 17 . I paid for my very own singing lessons .
Oh God , I wonder what you were going to say then . Yeah , I did , yeah , that's pretty cool . Yeah , let's hear some .
What we actually did was she'd written a book that she'd like self published , and I had also written a book when I was like 16 . So I used to take my book down to her and she used to just go through it for me .
Oh , that's cool . Yeah , are you going to ?
publish . I tried to when I wrote it when I was 16 , I did try and get it published , and to no avail . I still have the rejection letters and JK Rowling was rejected as well . Yes , however , I'm no JK Rowling .
How do you know it could be ?
Oh , because I've read her books many , many times , many , many , many times . I almost almost finished the last Harry Potter . When you messaged me with the code so that he was ready , I was like , oh shit , almost finished , damn it , damn . I've got about seven more pages left or something . So not , not a lot .
Not a lot , and this I think possibly the first episode we've done where I haven't got my ears on it's too hot for me , it is too hot and I'm in a different country , so I was like it's going to be too hot for three years . So , yeah , I apologize for that , because I know everyone on YouTube will be mortified .
Devastated , absolutely devastated , but I do want to ask what is that next to you ? Because that looks awesome . Next to you there's something oh amazing .
During the six weeks holiday , me and Hayley were going to make a witch's house out of cardboard , Because when she was I'm going to go ahead and say no , no , she was younger than that , Six or seven we made a castle out of paper mache , cardboard and whatever else castle , turrets , trees , you know , it was like specter and we painted it spectacular .
So we was going to make a cardboard witch's house . But it's much more difficult when you're trying to do it with a 12 year old , because they now have opinions and ideas about how to do things themselves , which is just yeah , it's not the best . Oh , I'm going to recognize it .
I mean what I can see of it looks wicked . Oh , that looks so cool .
Yeah , it's pretty cool , but it's not finished .
I can see that .
Yeah , it's not finished .
That looks cool . I can't
¶ Blam Go and Julianne Kopke's Story
wait to see that . When you finished it , are you going to like crack on with it while Hayley is at school ?
Yeah , she won't let me . When she went to her dad's the weekend she was like I just stuck a few more tiles on and I drawn the way I wanted the windows , and she was like how dare you ?
Just say to her look , do you want to be a part of this a little bit , or do you want to not be a part of it at all ?
Yeah .
There are your choices .
It's the same as when I used to make her birthday cakes . I used to make three tier birthday cakes and she used to always want to help , but I never , I don't , you can't touch this birthday cake , because I'm an absolute perfectionist .
So we used to get her to cut out little like leaves and things like that so that she felt like she was helping , but I'd never stick them on , no , just eat them .
Oh , darling , that's wonderful .
Four inches thick .
Any other business .
Yeah , I want to do a big shout out actually to Maddie and her colleagues because she said that they've actually started doing a random blam in the office and it's amazing .
It really made my day because I can imagine everybody's sitting in the office and all of it's really quiet and they're just , you know , doing their work and all of a sudden someone goes random blam go and they've got to come up with something about them so cool . I think that should now be a staple at every meeting .
You know when they always do hi , my name's Sarah and then you do like a random thing .
It should be long walks on the beach .
Yeah , random blam go .
Yeah , let's get it out there . I think , do you look , can you design me a t-shirt and I'll get it printed , but can you get me a t-shirt that says random blam go Absolutely . And then , and I want a finger like that , you know , like the , we want you finger . Yes yes , I want that . I want that . All right . Random blam go Merch coming soon .
Random blam Merch go . Yeah , that'd be awesome Morning .
Morning .
Morning , morning everyone .
Morning , morning indeed . Right . Oh , I've really itchy nose this morning . We're gonna get a surprise . Is that what that means ? Yeah , I mean , I've got a spider crawling on me or something . Why , yeah , you haven't got a spider crawling on you , don't worry . However , that fits very nicely into my story . Oh , does it now .
Yeah , I'm not happy . I must say I'm not happy about the title of your episode . Why ? Well , as you are aware , I'm in sunny , sunny France at the moment . So you know , in a few days I'm going to get on a frigging aeroplane , sarah .
What are you doing ? Well , listen , when you've heard the story , that's the least you'll worries .
Oh well , yeah , that makes me feel much better .
So this is the story of Julianne Kopke .
Okay , I like the name Never , ever , never ever .
That's good , actually , because I was quite aware of this story and I've listened to podcasts on it before and it's just crazy , absolutely crazy . So prepare to get your socks blown off and if you feel like we're having a bad day , put this episode on , because your bad day is not a bad day compared to Julianne Kopke's day .
I mean , is this going to be something that I'm going to like ? It's going to play on my mind when I'm on the airplane in a couple of days .
No , no , no no . No , right , here we go .
¶ Surviving Plane Crash in the Jungle
Born to German parents in 1954 , julianne was raised in Lima , peru . Her father , hans Wilhelm Kopke .
he was a German name .
I know he was Hans . He was a renowned zoologist and her mother , maria , was a scientist who studied tropical birds . I think is it called anthropologists , something like that Anthropology yeah . Maybe . So she studied tropical birds , so this meant that Julianne and her parents often spent a lot of time in the rainforest researching and studying animals .
When Julianne was 14 , her parents had set up this biological research station in the Peruvian jungle called Panguana , which has been so cool to say but not cool to type , because it keeps changing it to penguin Every time I typed it .
And they were in a penguin . In penguin it's like penguin and iguana . Yeah , I can't say that , Panguana .
So it was in the depths of the Peruvian jungle so that they could closely research the jungle ecosystem . So from the age of 14 , Julianne lived in the Peruvian jungle with no modcons , no , you know anything . No electricity , no running water , no comforts , no luxuries .
No , absolutely anything , because her parents didn't want any like generators or anything there that would make a noise and scare off the wildlife or make them not behave in a way that they would normally behave .
Yeah .
She lived in the jungle , off of the jungle , and at first Julianne was completely opposed to the idea . As a 14 year old girl she did not want to be living in . She loved the jungle , she loved animals . She'd grown up with it , but she didn't want to be living in the jungle . But it's . She soon found out that she was a self professed jungle child .
That's what she said . She loved it , absolutely loved it . So Julianne learned how to live in the jungle , how to navigate her way around the jungle . You know , like the vastness of it , the dangers , to look out for the animals that she would encounter in the jungle , how they would behave .
So if you know how they would behave if they felt threatened , how they would behave if they were on the attack , or just generally how animals behaved in the presence of other people .
She learned what was poisonous , so all the vegetation and plant life growing in the jungle , and she learned everything that you could about living in the jungle and , unbeknownst to her at the time , she learned the very skills that she would need to save her life when she was 17 .
So Julianne would live in the jungle with her parents for nearly two years , but it was then decided that although she was being homeschooled by her parents , it wasn't enough and she would return to Lima alone and attend the high school that she had been previously going to before she left for the jungle .
And Julianne was just she's just an incredible person , but she was very adaptive and she fitted straight back into school and she had no problems leaving her parents and staying with friends and she quite regularly made the short flight from Lima to Panguana quite regularly , like on the holidays and things like that , to go back and see her parents .
And she was very self sufficient , she was very level headed and very together . So her mother had actually flown over to be with Julianne when she graduated , when she was 17 . And it was decided that they would fly back together to Panguana to be with her father over the Christmas period .
So Christmas 1971 , 17 year old Julianne and her mother were looking to book tickets for the short one hour flight from Lima to I think it's like Pocopa or Piquela or something I can't remember the name of where they actually flew into , but they were going back to Panguana .
So the flight was only an hour and the late booking that they were trying to do and the fact that it was the Christmas holidays meant that their only option was a ticket aboard Lancer flight 508 , which was a turboprop airliner that could carry maximum 99 people .
And when Julianne's father heard that the pair were planning to take this Lancer flight to go back and see him , he urged them , like the pleas of a desperate man . He urged them to book a different flight . So he knew that the Lockheed L188 Electroplane , which is the aircraft they would have gone , had a terrible reputation .
Of the 170 electroplanes built , 58 had been written off after they had crashed or suffered extreme malfunctions midair .
Give it up . Stop making planes . You're not good at it .
It's actually been designed for short-haul flights across desert regions and had already been taken out of service in America because of its reputation . The plane was not built to withstand turbulence . It had very rigid wings , unlike most aircrafts .
Where their wings are , they're not kind of fused onto the fuselage and they can withstand the turbulence and they're quite flexible . The wings of the Lockheed plane were not .
It was the last thing that should have been flying over the Andes , because the Andes had the rainforests and the weather there was very unpredictable and the monsoons and the typhoons and all sorts . And Lancer airline itself also had a particularly terrible reputation , so terrible that flight 508 was the only aircraft now left in the Lancer fleet .
Geez .
So I'll give you a small history of the Lancer Airlines and then you can tell me whether you would have made the same decision . I can tell you now no . So the Lancer Airlines flew from 1963 to 1971 and had only had three planes in their fleet . Lancer's first crash occurred in 1966 .
Flight 501 from Lima to Cusco crashed 10 minutes after takeoff into treacherous mountain conditions . It crashed into a mountain , leaving no survivors from the 49 passengers on board , and pilot error was overwhelmingly the reason for the crash . No other reason , just pilot incompetence .
Okay , Well , that , yeah , that makes . Well , I don't know if that makes me feel better .
In 1970 , flight 502 from Cusco to Lima . The route was flown by the turboprop Lockheed Electra and was carrying 100 passengers . Soon after departure , the plane suffered a fire in the third engine , forcing the crew to try and return to Cusco . However , the plane quickly descended into the valley and crashed .
Investigators found that pilot error from incorrect engine shutdown procedures and faulty maintenance caused the crash .
There had also been quite a few other , you know , like near misses with the aircrafts due to faulty maintenance and pilot error , and the Lockheed plane that they were due to board , although they didn't know it at the time , was actually made up from parts of other planes that they pulled out the side of a mountain .
They were like here's some . And they were like , oh , I've got a wing .
Get it on .
So Lanzanel had the one remaining aircraft but , however , despite the overwhelming evidence that they should not have boarded the plane , they were worried about not being able to make it back over the Christmas period to see Hans , and they decided to go ahead and get on the flight with Maria , specifically telling her husband quote not every airplane crashes .
End quote .
It's only a problem if the plane that crashes is the one that you're on .
Yes , so Christmas Eve 1971 , the pair arrived early at the airport . Their flight had been delayed by seven hours . Two previous flights from Lanzanel had been cancelled , so the airport was in absolute chaos and everybody was trying to get a ticket to this last remaining flight .
And they waited at the airport for seven hours or more and they eventually boarded the Lanzar flight 508 . Initially the flight seemed like any other . It's a straightforward flight . Like I say , it was only an hour , so by the time they get up it's due to come back down again .
Placed in the second row from the back , Gillianne took the window seat , while her mother sat in the middle seat , so it's a row of three seats , like a normal aircraft . Half an hour into the flight , they ate their sandwiches .
The stewardess came around , gave them sandwiches and Gillianne looked at the rainforest out of the window beside her and you know it was a lovely view for her flying over the Peruvian jungle .
But 15 minutes before they were supposed to land out their destination in Pukalpa that is the name of the destination the sky suddenly grew black and she said daylight turned to night and lightning flashed from all directions , oh God . And people were screaming . The plane had hit horrendous turbulence and it shook like vibrated and shook and it dropped at .
It rocked from side to side , and I'm going to put this out there now no plane has ever crashed from turbulence .
Oh , OK , so just to Thank you .
Just to you know , if you ever experienced turbulence , no plane has ever crashed just because of turbulence .
No , don't worry .
However no .
Passenger bags Give with one hand and take away with another .
You know me , Passenger bags had fallen from the overhead , lockers and sandwich trays were flew through the air and half finished drinks and food , and you know it was just absolute chaos . The the fly had been quiet and flying normally and it had now descended into absolute panic and chaos .
And in the next instance , Julianne said that there was a huge flash of brilliant white light over the plane's wing that plunged the aircraft into a steep nosedive . And Julianne looked beside her to see her mother and she could see the entire length of the aisle right into the cockpit below her . So instead of just looking , you know , sideways and the cockpit .
Being in front it was , it was below her . That's how steep the nosedive was . And she grabbed hold of her mother's hand and her mother very calmly said to Julianne that is the end , it's all over . And Julianne said that it was over the noise and the chaos of everything . That's all she heard was their mother say that and it was clear as clear as crystal .
But the sounds of the passenger screams were drowned out now by the roaring of the engines . It was plummeting down the roar of the turbines . It was incredibly loud and Julianne says that in her book , that she will never not hear that sound Like it will never leave her .
I will also never not hear that sound , especially in a couple of days when I'm going to get on a fucking aeroplane . What's wrong with you , man ? You said about an airplane plummeting out the sky , and you were like , no , no , no , now is that how good .
Yeah , no , but the plane itself should never have been flying over that way , and the plane that you're going to get on is much . The planes nowadays have something where , if they're struck by lightning , it feeds the electricity out of the plane . So electricity hitting a plane does absolutely no damage .
I'll be honest with you . I could not give a flying . I could not even get a plane to fly up . What is the cause of the airplane plummeting out ? This guy I don't care if it's a chicken's been caught in the engine . I don't care if it's lightning . These sounds and visions that I'm getting now . That is what I'm going to be thinking about .
Saturday morning , you'll be fine .
Cheers . Julianne is , you know , the planes in absolute chaos and there's noise and screaming and panic everywhere . But she said as soon as it started it stopped and everything was silent . Julianne was no longer inside the aircraft oh , still seat , belted into her row of seats and suspended upside down . Oh , my goodness .
Julianne looked to her mother in the chair beside her , but she was alone . Deciding to put her seat belt on at the last minute had stopped Julianne from being completely thrown out of her seat .
At a height of 10,000 feet , or two miles , to be exact , julianne was now free , falling in her row of chairs and spinning out of control , Just you know , like one of those little boomerang leaves when you do it in the air .
That's like how a row of seats was spinning constantly and the last thing Julianne saw before she passed out was the dense canopy of the jungle coming to meet her . And she said during that free fall she was completely aware that she was falling from the sky to the ground and she was going in and out of consciousness .
She'd go out of consciousness and then she would wake up and she would know exactly what was happening and she'd go back into being unconscious again , like people do on that slingshot ride .
Yeah , now where they're like in a seat , aren't they ? And they're being like flung up in the high speed , yeah , and people go out , in and out of consciousness , didn't they ?
Yeah , yeah , that's exactly it . But she said she remembers nothing of the impact . She woke up on the floor of the jungle and she shouted for her mum , but received only silence in return , and very slowly , memories of the crash kind of came back to her and she realised that she'd survived the crash .
But she was now very alone in the depths of the Peruvian jungle
¶ Surviving Alone in the Jungle
so . But she was somehow out of her chair , although she'd been free falling in her chair . When she'd woken up she was unbuckled , she was out of her chair , but the chair was there with her . The chair was near her . Yeah , well , it wasn't quiet . She , you know , she weren't just sitting in her chair , it was near her .
So she tried to stand up but immediately passed out . And when she came to again her vision was blurred and she realised that she could only see out of one of her eyes . The other one was swollen shut . And again and again she tries to get to her feet but her head spins and she feels sick and she's nauseous and then she passes out again .
She eventually manages to get to her knees . So instead of trying to stand all the way up , she manages to get to her knees and she kind of stays there , steadies herself , and it was then that she kind of managed to assess her injuries . So not only does she have her swollen shut eye , she's suffering from a severe concussion .
She notices a large gash on her calf which is about an inch and a half long , and she has a similar car on the back of her arm . But it's hard for her to kind of seize . You can't . It's right on the back of her arm . She can't really twist around and see to get a better look . She's only got one eye as well .
She's only got one eye , and then she's trying to look around . She notices that her collarbone feels a little bit strange , so she touches it and she immediately feels that it is completely broken the bones . Although they weren't protruding out of her skin , they were so broken that they were actually overlapping , so that she had bone on top of bone .
But she felt absolutely no pain from any of her injuries , just this like crushing sense of loss , you know . But she felt that if she had survived there must be other survivors . She can't have been the only one to solve If she'd survived with such kind of minimal injuries . There must be other survivors .
So she screamed out for her mother and she crawled around on her hands and knees around her little crash site and she couldn't find her and her body eventually gives out and she passed out on the floor of the jungle . Day one . It's now Christmas morning and Julianne wakes up with a clearer head .
She knows where she is , she knows what's happened to her and if her parents had taught her anything , it was that calm , clear thinking could master any situation that she found herself in in the jungle . She knew she had to keep level-headed and keep rational .
Panic and fear would get her nowhere and she had no doubt in her mind that she wouldn't make it out of the jungle . At no point did she think otherwise . She never thought that she was just going to be stranded there .
She'd been in the depths of the jungle so many times previously with her parents and they'd always made it out safely , and she's now kind of confident that she can stand up straight without passing out and she assesses the area around her . There was obviously trees everywhere , incredibly tall trees .
While I was writing this , I was reminded very much of the Marina episode , where she's in the jungle .
That's what I keep thinking about .
I kept actually typing Marina every time I went to .
Virginia .
I kept typing Marina and it's quite similar . Actually , the Peruvian jungle , where she was , it has like 15% Amazon rainforest in it , so quite similar .
Similar to the Colombian jungle .
Yeah , similar area and the incredibly tall trees and thick canopies meant that she could see small patches of daylight out , but there was absolutely no way anybody would be able to see in . She has only one shoe on and she makes the decision to leave it on Despite the fact that making it , you know it made it more difficult to walk in .
She kept that one shoe on and she felt that she needed that small bit of protection . Back in Pangoana , she never went out without her rubber boots on because of the snakes . There was a lot of deadly animals that she could step on and you know they were not too fond of that . The first day she doesn't venture too far from her little crash site .
She wanted to get her bearings because she knew how easy it was to get lost and confused . So she just was just kind of like getting her bearings . And although I say it's her little crash site , there's nothing there apart from her row of chairs . There's no plane wreckage or anything .
On her exploration she became incredibly thirsty and she knew how quickly dehydration could take hold and she had absolutely no source of water at all . So what she did was that she started licking the moisture off the leaves around her . So the rainforest is always damp , humid damp , despite how hot is , you know the burning summits .
There was no water for her to actually drink , but she could get some moisture from the leaves , which I would never think to do . That , would you ? I ?
don't know . I mean , I've got diabetes and Cypitas . I'm constantly thirsty , so I see , I see possibility of drinks everywhere . So , yeah , I'd probably just see any kind of moisture and be like , yeah , I love that .
I love that . But that's exactly what she did . She , even though it was , you know , a little bit of moisture at a time , it was . It was better than nothing . So she found no other evidence of the plane crash near her , no parts of the wreckage , no other people . But she did stumble across a bag of sweets and a Christmas Stalin .
So she was obviously hungry and she knew that she needed this food . So she scooped up part of the Stalin , but it was like almost disintegrated from the rain and it was covered in mud and it wasn't nice . So although she tried it , she said it was disgusting . She left the Christmas Stalin where he was , but she took the pack of sweets with her .
Good move .
Yep .
¶ Julianne's Journey Through the Jungle
All morning and afternoon Julianne stays relatively close to her crash site , eating some of her , the sweets that she found and rehydrating as much as she can , looking for other survivors and more wreckage from the plane . She kind of hears this low hum and it is a helicopter flying above her and they were looking for the wreckage of the plane .
She shouts and she waves her arms and kind of like half-heartedly because she knew there was absolutely no way they would be able to see into the jungle . So she knew that she had to get out of that thick forest . That then became her resolve .
She had to get out of the thick forest so that she could be found , and eventually the noise of the helicopter faded and she was left with just the ominous jungle sounds .
Her trained ears picked up a sound that she knew and it was a sound that had been there all along , but through her concussed state and disorientation she hadn't really focused on it and it was the sound of dripping , tinkling water .
So she immediately set off in search of the source and nearby found a little spring that fed into a tiny like she called it , a rivula , which I guess it's just a tiny little stream of water . It's not a river , it's like an inlet of a river . Yeah , exactly that . What did you say ? It was called A rivula .
Rivula Like a mixture of river and inlet .
Yeah , it's an inlet into a river .
That's one of your words there .
Yeah , maybe I did make it up .
Yeah , no such thing as a rivula Rivula .
Who knows ? But her hope was renewed and she heard her father's voice in her head telling her if you get lost in the jungle and you find flowing water , then stay near it . Follow its course . It will bring you to other people . So that's what she yep , that is what she decided to do .
Having explored her little crash site as much as she could , she was sure that there were no other survivors nearby . There was no hope of being found by the helicopters above . Her only lifeline was this source of water , so she followed it for the rest of the day .
She had no way of knowing how long she walked , for she generally told time by the light of the . She couldn't really see the sun , and it was just how hot it was as well . When it started to get colder , she knew that it was getting into night and things , so she generally told time by that .
So she walked and walked and walked , and eventually the tiny little stream that she'd been following started to widen and eventually it turned into a low stream that was in this big riverbed . So there was a little bit of water like a little stream in this really big riverbed .
So she was able to actually walk down into the riverbed quite easily , instead of trying to hack her way through the jungle . She managed to quite easily walk through this riverbed .
So she only stopped when it started to get dark and she knew that darkness brought dangers , and so she looked for a place to bed down for the night , but the only thing that she could sleep on was the forest floor . There was no other source of you know anywhere to sleep and she always tried to protect her back .
So you know , like up against a tree or something , and despite the humidity of the rainforest and the blazing heat of the sun in the day , the night was freezing cold . And although she knew how to make a fire her training and her knowledge and all the times that she'd previously been in the jungle she could quite easily make a fire .
But it was the rainy season and everything was wet and everything was damp . She couldn't even use her knowledge to make a little fire . Her sleep that night was plagued by insects everywhere rain , wind , sleeplessness , All throughout this .
You have to remember that she was being absolutely hounded by mosquitoes , like buzzing everywhere , and that would be the case for every day and every night . The insects never , ever relented .
Yeah , and she's by the water as well , isn't she ? So that probably that's where it's at its worst . Yeah , would bring the water .
Yeah , meanwhile , news of the lands crash had reached the news and reached Julianne's father , but he rested easy because he told his family under no circumstance was they to get on that flight and he was quite confident that they had actually heeded his warning until the next morning when the passenger list was announced and the names of his wife and daughter were
read out amongst them . Can you , can you , could you even . Can you even imagine ?
Like just being in that mindset of thinking that's fine , because they didn't get on that flight .
Yeah .
And then hearing their names being read out , you'd be like , oh , I just don't think you'd ever think it was real . No .
Day two Julianne woke up on the morning of December 26th and she again felt no pain , no fear , only renewed vigor . She had one goal in mind , and that was to make it out of the jungle . May I just remind everybody that she's 17 .
Yeah , that's incredible and it that's proper . You know fight or flight mode , that's 100% . Yeah , I sent in it .
Every time I was writing this I had to kind of like remind myself , because I was looking at pictures as well . And she's so diddy , so little and she looks like a child . It's quite easy to picture this woman fighting her way through the jungle and things , but actually she was a child .
Yeah . I mean that's only three years older than Jessie . Yeah , and you think I mean can you imagine Jess surviving in a jungle ?
Even myself . You know me and Josie watch programs and I go just kill me . Now I'm not doing that .
I'm not doing that . Jess struggles getting herself up in the morning and getting downstairs to get her own breakfast , which she doesn't .
Yeah . So , you think ?
plonking her in the jungle .
No chance , no , no . So day two , she continues to follow the stream , and although I said it was easy for her to walk through , the path itself wasn't easy . It meandered wildly Like it wasn't just a straight route and it cost her a lot of time and a lot of energy .
The terrain was rocky and hilly and she couldn't see very well into the distance because of a swollen shut eye . So she didn't dare to take any shortcuts for fear of it leading her away from the stream that she was following .
So she just stayed in that riverbed and followed the stream , no matter which way it went , and on her travels she met a Goliath bird eating spider .
I'm going to just say that I have one near me .
Just say that again for everybody Goliath bird eating spider . I don't think Goliath and spider should be used in the same sentence . I don't know about you Well .
I'm not going to say anything negative or derogatory about bird eating spiders and tarantulas , because you know they are all in the airshot of me tomorrow . They are beautiful and lilly .
Right . Well , I've got a different opinion of them and here it is . I've looked up the Goliath bird eating spider , so you guys don't have to . Here it is the spider itself isn't venomous . It's not venomous enough to kill a person . It has inch long fangs and its bite has been compared to hammering a nail into your hand .
Its body is a whopping five inches big , with a leg span of 11 inches . You're welcome .
I just need to add to that my sister . She hasn't got her anymore , but my sister had this exact spider and her name was Tiny and she was honestly , she was a lovely , lovely spider . She was really friendly .
What makes ? Why do people say they're snakes ? They were so friendly . Did it make you a coffee ? How do you express a friendly spider ? Do you think it didn't bite you ? What if I went ?
yeah , actually it did . You're just assuming that it didn't make me a coffee that snake was so friendly .
How can a snake be friendly ?
You know it doesn't open a door for you . Not biting your face off is friendly . I mean , tiny was lovely , like if you went up to the to a big like tank that she had and like she had it was cool . It was like a little rainforest in this tank and like and that's where they belong .
Tess makes it all like humid and nice for him , but Tess did go to Peru . She went to Peru , she lived in the rainforest in Peru and she was part of a like rescue program , breathing program . Like 508 , was it 507 ? Just the one before , but yeah , it's . I mean it's not some .
It's not for me the thought of going into the rainforest , firing this fog up into the canopy of the rainforest and then put great big umbrellas that catch the spiders and things that come out of it . It's not for me , but you know .
Well , it wasn't for Julianne either , but she had no choice . She had no choice . She knew that , actually , that the spider itself it wasn't going to bite . Unless she antagonised it it
¶ Surviving the Jungle River
wouldn't bite her . So she kind of just skirted around the spider and carried on her route and the stream eventually got bigger and wider and deeper and eventually fills the riverbed so that now she has to wade through it and the river itself is filled with all sorts of dangers . And actually later on we come to learn that it's actually called stingray .
Oh , I can't remember what it's called . It's further down in my notes , but it's not got a nice name to it . Anyways , it's filled with dangers , filled with stingrays , snakes , payment crocodiles , parrots and just all sorts of awful things . But again , julianne , she knows that the the river is a safer option for her than trekking it through the jungle .
So she makes her way through the stream . But what she does is she leads the way with her sandaled foot , because she knows that if she stings , if she steps on a stingray , that it will immediately shoot a poisoned barb into her foot and that will be the end of it .
So she goes with her sandaled foot ahead and then to make sure that it was clear and that she wasn't stepping on anything , and then she would proceed . So it was quite slow going . She's got a broken collarbone . Later on you'd find out that she's got like a ruptured ligament in her knee as well .
And , like I say , she was a teenager , she was a child and she had this knowledge that she can't actually do . Thank God she did so . Day three Julianne continues her journey through the stream .
The sun was scorching her skin so much that her back had open blisters on it , and it was on this day , on day three , that she came across her first bit of plane wreckage outside of her own little crash site and she found one of the plane's turbines and it was scorched black .
But she said that although she knew that this turbine was from an aeroplane crash , she didn't kind of relate it back to the aeroplane that she was on and that it was actually her crash that she'd been in . She was like , oh , there's a bit of plane there , you know .
Random yeah , what's that doing in the jungle ?
Yeah , it's shocking concussion . She didn't kind of and I guess , like the protection mode , yeah , it just didn't resonate . But she continues her way down the stream .
Day four while making her way continuously through the stream , julianne hears a noise that made her blood freeze in her veins and it was the sound of flapping large , large wings , flapping louder than that of any other bird . And she knew this sound because her mother had studied birds .
And it's an ornithologist , not an anthropologist , oh , or an anthropologist , someone else , someone that studies antlers ? Yep . So she knew that this sound was not good . This was the sound of the king vulture .
The presence of the king vulture would only mean one thing to her , and it meant that there was a large amount of carrion in the forest nearby , and it was a large amount of what Carrion Like dead meat dead .
Oh , I've never heard that expert , that term , oh , really Carrion .
Yeah , I don't know if I've pronounced it correctly , but it's . I know that that is a word , is it ? Yeah , and it means like dead meat , yeah , like carcass and you know , a dead and putrefying flesh . There you go . So she knew that that's what that meant , and she actually it wasn't long before she actually stumbled across it .
Shortly after hearing the king vulture , just on the other side of the river Bend , where she was , julianne came across a horrific site , and it was a site of a three-seat bench , the likes of which that she had been strapped in and that had fallen 10,000 feet lay in front of her .
But unlike hers , this one had landed with such force that it was buried head first , at least three feet deep into the jungle floor . Oh god , passengers and all oh no . So she could tell from the legs sticking out of the earth that it was two men , two men and a woman , and in a moment of sheer panic she thinks that this woman could be her mother .
So she takes a long stick from the ground and she carefully removes the woman's shoe and she sees that the woman has got now varnish on her toes and she breathes a sigh of relief because she knew that her mother never paid her toenails . She later on goes to .
She understood that there's no way that this woman could have been a mother , because the mother was in the seat next to her . She was relieved that this wasn't her mother , but she was also horrified because , you know , these were still people . Yeah , it's still someone .
And the vulture was just sat atop the trees just waiting and there was nothing that she could do . Yeah , but she scanned the area around the seats and things for any other survivors that could have been there .
And all the while she's listening to the helicopters overhead and she knows that she needs to hurry to find a clearing because she knows that the helicopters , they're not just going to search every single day , they will eventually stop , stop searching .
Yeah , so the days from here on out , the days kind of start to merge into one and she starts losing track of what day it is . She's eaten the last of the bag of sweets that she's been really carefully rationing . So about day four or five he's been , they spend five days pretty much , and she's only had these boiled sweets to keep her company .
And then , now that they're gone and there was no fruit growing in the rainy season , there was absolutely nothing for her to forage , and Julianne knows that in order to survive she must drink plenty of water , and this she has been getting from the dirty stream that she has been wading through and , although it was brown in colour and filled with dirt and soil ,
she knew that it was safe to drink , it wouldn't do her any harm , and she knew that bacteria and things that would normally be harmful are only found in streams that could potentially be like what human putting things polluted and polluted yeah that's the word I was going for . So she knew it was safe to drink .
So she would guzzle it down and she said that that actually would fill her stomach . On days five or six Julianne heard the distant sound of something that actually brightened her mood . It kind of lifted her spirits a little bit , and it was the distinct call of the Hoitzen bird . She knew that these birds only nested near large , open bodies of water .
Oh , that's handy . So she knew that people also took root near large open bodies of water . She was like great news . But up ahead , the stream that she'd been so carefully following for the last five or six days was blocked by a huge amount of driftwood and reeds and stuff had been growing on top of this driftwood as well .
So she knew that there was absolutely no way she was going to be able to make it over it or through it . So she actually left the stream to find her way . She wanted to just find a way around the blockage really , but she had to fight through the underbrush . She had no machete . She said normally in Pankwani you'd always go out of the machete .
So it took her hours and all the time it took her hours and hours and sapped what little energy that she had . But she managed to make it across , like around the obstacles , and what she found was that it kind of where the blockage was . It fed into a river that was about 30 foot wide .
It's a big old river that she was now about to follow , but there was still not a soul in sight . But she can still hear the helicopters in the distance and when she looks up for the first time in six days she can see quite clearly sky through the canopy of the trees .
There was a helicopter circling above her that she can see and she's waving her arms frantically and she's screaming , and to no avail , the noise of the engine , just if it just starts to fade , and she knows that it's going off .
And she wondered if it would ever come back , or if you know that was the last helicopter that they were going to send out , or even if perhaps they had already found as many survivors as they could .
And she was all of a sudden incredibly angry with herself and she felt that she'd made the wrong decision and she felt that if she just stayed where she was at the craft site that she would have been rescued and she still believed in in her heart that there were other survivors that had also been rescued and she was the only one left in the jungle .
But despite that , her resolve , it still didn't waver and she never thought about giving up and she just knew that she had to continue . But the river that she'd come across now it was too deep for her to walk through and she didn't have the energy to fight away through the jungle .
So she decided that she would just float down the river and just making sure that she didn't bash into any locks or debris or anything , because she knew that , you know , if she'd broke a leg or something , then that that was it , that would be death for her , so she would just lay and float .
So by day seven or eight she noticed that the wound on her calf had become very swollen and red , and you know she'd been . She'd been wading through this dirty water I don't know how long , and her body's not got anything to to fight an infection .
And she craned her neck around as best as she could so that she could see the wound on the back of her arm , and she was horrified to see that it had become infested with maggots .
Oh god .
And she knew from experience that that was not a good thing . When she was a child , their dog had gotten a cart on its shoulder and I think they said it was a why do words leave me as soon as I go to say them . They just fuck off .
This is why you make up your own .
This is why .
I make them up . The word was in my head . Just think of a word and say it , and yeah it was an al-satian , their dog .
So it had got a cart on its shoulder and this cart had gone unnoticed . And , as time went by , flies had laid eggs in the wound and the maggots had formed and they'd burrowed their way into the dog's flesh . And what they do is they actually avoid blood vessels so that the wound doesn't bleed .
So that you know , then , people are alerted to the fact that there's anything in there , neck and little buggers . Neck and little buggers . And by the time anyone had noticed , the dog's leg had started to like , smell and rot and it was gross .
So their dad told Julian that the only way to get the maggots out was by either pouring alcohol or gasoline into the wound . But Julian didn't have any alcohol or gasoline . Oh , she didn't , you did not . She did , however , have a small ring with her that she'd bent into some like some sort of pliers that she'd managed to kind of .
That she was going to pull the maggots out with . But she said whenever she got close to them they would burrow deeper into her skin . If that wasn't bad enough , she was also suffering from what she would later find out was second degree burns across her back from the sun . But nevertheless she continued her journey and by day nine she was absolutely starving .
Her thoughts became consumed with food and her dreams were haunted by different arrays of meals set out in front of her , and all she could think about was food .
And the insight into my life . That is my world , my brain , every day , Food all the time . What meals I'm going to have ?
She was dangerously weak and she knew that she was nowhere near finding people . Her experience in the jungle meant that she knew by animal behaviour that they had never seen a person before . So they weren't bothered by her animals , they weren't scared . They were coming up to her more often and they weren't running away from her scared or anything like that .
They were kind of inquisitive because they'd never seen another person . And Julian knew that that . You know it was like a crushing blow to her . She , despite all of her efforts and thinking that she knew the best possible route and she knew the way out , and she just kind of felt a little bit that she was just getting further and further away from rescue .
And by this time as well she had also started to hallucinate visually and audibly . And while drifting down the river she was sure that she could hear chickens in the distance . And it was always she said always chickens that she could hear . And at first she would get her hopes up and then realise that it was a hallucination .
And there were no chickens and she could no longer keep going at the pace that she had been going , and she often found that she was dozing off while floating in the river , and she knew that this could be disastrous . So she would often leave the safety off the river and climb up onto the bank to sleep , and then she'd go back into the river .
One such day , when she climbed up to the river bank to sleep , she was woken by the small chirps of a baby caiman crocodile , just inches away from her and with its mother very shortly bound , and she knew that she had to get back into the river .
She also knew that if she'd gotten up to run away , that they would have attacked her straight away , so she thought the best thing to do was just to slide away on her belly , just back down into the water , instead of getting up and making it Like they do ? Yeah , exactly like
¶ Survivor Rescued From Jungle
they do . Exactly so day 10 , having had nothing to eat apart from her little bag of sweets , she was desperate for food . So she decided to try and catch frogs . The frogs in the jungle were poisonous dart frogs . She knew that . But she knew that they wouldn't agree with her , they wouldn't kill her .
But it would also be a little bit of something to give her a little bit of energy . It was still food at the end of the day . So she spent what little energy she had trying to catch these little tiny poison dart frogs . But she never succeeded .
And it was on this day , day 10 , that she saw something in the river up ahead , and it was a tethered boat . But she didn't trust her eyes at all . They had been deceiving her with all sorts of hallucinations up until then .
And as she got closer , floating down this river , the boat was still there and she kind of shook her head and she rubbed her eyes and things , but the boat remained . And it wasn't until she reached the boat and she touched it that she knew that it was real and this meant people .
Yeah , and sure enough , when she looked by the boat up to the riverbank , she could see footprints leading away from the boat and it would take her hours to cover just a few yards . But she followed the little path of footprints and eventually she came to a small tambo . Now , a tambo is a little makeshift shelter .
It was about 10 by 15 feet and it was made out of like palm leaves and things like that , and it was something that hunters used to store their equipment while they went off into the forest . And sure enough , inside the tambo was the boat's 40 horsepower motor and a jug of gasoline Nice .
And she was sure that the owner of the boat was nearby and all she had to do was wait . And as she was thinking and formulating this new plan , she thought about the jug of gasoline and she remembered the maggots eating into her flesh and the wounding around was obviously painful and she could feel them burrowing inside . Yeah .
And she knew that they'd gotten bigger as well . And it took her ages to eventually unscrew the cap of the jug , but she did it .
But she didn't have the strength or the energy to lift the jug up , so she found a small piece of hose pipe in the shack and was all to sucking up some of the gasoline and then letting the gasoline drip into her wound and she said the pain was excruciating because at first the maggots burrowed deeper into her flesh before they couldn't stand the gasoline anymore
, and then they would start to kind of make their way out . So she grabbed her makeshift tweezers and she began pulling them out one by one , and she managed to count to 30 before she was happy that there was none left and she couldn't see anymore . But she would find out later on that there were actually many , many more inside .
The effort of finding the boat and climbing out of the water , the river , up to the tambo , opening the jug and then pulling these maggots out left her absolutely exhausted , so she decided to spend the night in the tambo .
It offered her shelter from the freezing wind , the rain , and she also found a piece of tarpaulin as well that she used as a blanket , which gave her some relief from the constant bite of the insects that so far , every night she had faced .
On the 11th day she awoke in the morning and still no one had come , and it was then that she realized actually that sometimes hunters was only used these shacks periodically in the year and that this could actually be an abandoned tambo and that maybe there was no one nearby at all .
And she said in a book that it was only very briefly that she wrestled with the idea of actually taking the boat , but her conscience wouldn't allow it . She said that she could not save herself and potentially endanger the life of someone else .
If there was someone else in that rainforest and she took the boat , that person would be in the same situation that she was , and she just couldn't do that and she also did not have the energy to get out the 40 horsepower engine or to even just push the boat back into the river and untether it .
But by the time she'd made the decision to continue her journey along the river , it had started to absolutely pour down , and she told herself that she would just remain in the shelter out of the rain until it stopped . That way she could regain some energy as well . And by the afternoon the rain had stopped and she told herself that she would continue .
She would leave the tambo , she would go back down the river and continue on . But she just couldn't make her body do what she wanted it to do . She no longer had the energy to get to her feet . She literally had no energy left to do anything .
So she decided that she would stay there for one more day , regain some more energy , and then she would continue on . And it was only then that the thought occurred to her that she could quite easily die here , and no one would know . They wouldn't know her struggles for the past 11 days . They wouldn't know what she'd been through . She wouldn't know .
Nobody would know the effort that she had put in trying to survive .
Yeah , they would have assumed that she died on the plane .
Yeah , absolutely Nobody would know that she'd done all of these 11 days in the jungle . That's a terrifying thought that people could just disappear . You've got no idea what happened to them . She knew she was starving to death . She'd gone too long without eating , but she no longer even had the energy to try and catch the frogs .
But late evening that day , she hears out of the jungle voices and she couldn't believe it . After all that time that she spent alone , not hearing or seeing another living person , she assumed that it was her mind again playing tricks on her and this was her brain , giving her one last bit of hope before she died .
But the voices started to grow louder and she knew that they were actually coming closer . And now , with the forest before her , stepped three men and they stopped in shock , horror .
At the site before them , and before they even had time to register what was going on , julianne speaks to them in Spanish and she says I am a girl who was in the lands of Crash , my name is Julianne , and that was the first sentence that she'd spoken for 11 days , and it was now January 3rd .
Julianne had been in the forest nearly 12 days without any food or tools to survive at all . The three men obviously took care of her . They gave her food to eat but she couldn't really stomach any food . She said she got very little food . Did she manage to get down ? They tended to her wounds and they managed to pull out 50 more maggots from her arm .
And she asks them about the other passengers and she's desperate for news of her mother . The men are aware of the crash and they tell her that no one has been found , not even the plane wreckage has been found , and as far as they knew she was the sole survivor .
But Julianne doesn't allow her brain to kind of process what that actually means , because then that would mean that her mother had died as well . And she just didn't allow herself to go there . The three men tell Julianne how lucky she is that they found her and that they actually hadn't been planning on coming to the TANBO at all .
It was only because of the heavy downpour that the men had decided to come back to the TANBO to check to make sure the boat was still tethered .
Yeah , so that was lucky .
If she'd left when she'd originally told herself that she was going to leave , they never would have found her . If she'd left before the rain started , they never would have found her . And if she'd left when the rain stopped , like she said she was , they never would have found her .
The men decided that the best course of action would be to spend that next night in the TANBO and then travel early next morning into the village , and they desperately wanted to get Julianne to the hospital . That night , julianne said she slept terribly . She all of a sudden could feel all of the pain from her wounds .
The hunger that she'd been previously feeling hadn't ever caused her any pain . She always said that she thought starving to death would be incredibly painful , but she never felt any sort of pain until that night when her body kind of brought out the full force of all of her injuries and she was just desperate to get on that boat and get out the jungle .
But she was too weak to make the short journey to the boat . So the men actually had to carry her and they laid her inside the boat and then they covered her with a tarpaulin and it was only then that she kind of allowed herself to relax and kind of let go and she immediately drifted into a very deep sort of unconsciousness .
The entire way down the river she was coming in and out of consciousness and when she is awake she speaks to the men and she finds , you know , she's trying to find out information and things . And she finds out that the river that they are on is called the Rio Shibana and it is absolutely completely uninhabited .
She would never continuing down that river , she never would have been found . The trip that the hunters took hours and hours and hours before the river eventually joins the Rio Petita , which is a much bigger river , where the village of Tornavista lies , and that is the village that the three hunters had come from .
And it was that she realised then that there was absolutely no way she could have made that journey by herself . She would have died well before she even made it anywhere near that little village .
And when she got to the village and the men unloaded her , obviously curious children and people kind of ran up to see the strange new woman with yellow hair and white skin . They were all sort of like Indians and things . And the curious children run up to her and then they left , absolutely screaming , terrified .
And a woman saw her and she screamed and this is a quote from the book those eyes , I can't look into them , oh God , those terrible eyes . And when Juliane asks the men what was wrong with their eyes , they explain that her eyes were completely blood red . All of the blood vessels had burst and there was no whites left .
Even the black iris had turned red , goodness , and there's a photo of her that's taken off her in this village and it's , although it's black and white , her eyes are completely black .
Yeah , that would be quite scary , wouldn't it ?
Well , they actually the three men that found her actually thought that she was like a water goddess , like the spirit of the Rio Chibania there's a tale about this river , about this water goddess , and they actually thought that that's what she was .
So they were very superstitious and things and they thought that she was some sort of not witch , but they didn't think that she was real .
And she was like no mate fell out of a plane .
Yeah , excuse the appearance .
¶ Survival and Resilience
A nurse from the village runs out to meet her and Julianne is shocked because she actually knows this woman . Oh , she had once given her a tetanus shot before she'd gone back to Panguana with her parents .
So this village in Toronto was very near Panguana and it turned out that actually , where the plane had crashed and where she was in the jungle was 30 miles from Panguana . Oh , no way . So it wasn't far at all . But this nurse had wanted to give her some penicillin because of her wounds were infected and things . But Julianne did not want penicillin .
She actually refused it . Her father was allergic to it and she was concerned that she also would then be allergic to it . So she didn't want to run the risk of having an allergic reaction to the penicillin when that's the thing that's supposed to have saved her .
Yeah , but even then , that's very level headed thinking , isn't it To have come that far and survive ? You know to be starving to death and then go ? No , actually I'll pass on the penicillin just in case , yeah ? So she's eventually cleaned up and she's told that a flight had been arranged for her to get her back to the mainland and into a proper hospital .
So the flight is only 20 minutes . Julianne is a bit understandably terrified , but she knows that she needs a hospital and she does not even have the energy to argue about getting on this flight . Once at the hospital , Julianne's injuries are fully assessed . The doctors pull out yet more maggots from Julianne's arm and also from the cut in her leg .
So she was already wounded . Her arm was massive . They had to like pack it for it to be able to heal completely . They had to put disinfectant on a bandage . Yeah , and then pack it and then change it every single day for it to be able to heal .
They also pulled out a huge splinter in her foot that she didn't even know was there and she was covered from head to toe in inflamed red , angry insect bites and she would later explain that experience actually a terribly swollen knee .
So a few weeks after the crash , her knee all of a sudden ballooned up and when she went to get it checked they told her that she'd torn her cruciate ligament in the crash . And she was also told , medically speaking , that it should have been impossible for her to walk for 11 days without any pain or any swelling at all .
And she said it wasn't until she was safe and rescued that her body , kind of the full force of these injuries , actually came out . And that just blows my mind that your body protects itself until it's ready to allow other people to protect it .
I guess if you're the only person in that situation , there's only you and your body and your mind , and how much it protects itself and tries to survive .
Yeah , it's weird , isn't it ? It's like even like , how many times have you like hurt yourself or cut yourself or something ? And it doesn't hurt until you see it , yeah , Like until someone goes oh , you're bleeding , and you're like oh , yeah , and then you think oh , wow . Yeah , it's things . Oh God , it hurts so bad .
But yeah , before that , no knowledge of it .
I know , but while at the hospital , once she is fully cleaned up and sorted out , they ask her what she would like to eat , and she said without any hesitation , she requested a chicken sandwich .
Because she could eat the chickens . I want a chicken sandwich .
And she said she was absolutely delighted because they went and made her a chicken sandwich and she ate the entire thing , obviously because she'd been starving .
Her stomach had shrunk so much that up until then she'd not really been able to eat a lot at all , but she managed to gobble down this sandwich and then , once she'd eaten the sandwich , she fell into a very safe , nice , deep sleep . So by now news of her rescue had reached headlines and all across headlines and TVs across Peru .
And this sparked almost like a frenzy of renewed hope that actually other passengers could well have survived , especially after her injuries had been read out and people realized that she actually wasn't very particularly injured from the crash . People were like , oh my God , if she survived with such little injuries other people could have .
And , based on Julianne's description of the stream and the river that she had followed , the hunters that found that were able to determine that she actually followed something that they know as Stingray Stream that's what it was called and a helicopter was sent out over the area , and it was only then that the first piece of airplane wreckage was found , but still
no survivors . The next morning , julianne was greeted in the hospital by her father and he simply walked into the room and asked her how she was , and she said that . She replied I'm fine , and that was that .
She said that he'd never really been a man of many words , but that she also felt within herself this complete void of emotion and she said that she was still in protection mode and she couldn't switch it off . She knew that she was happy to see her father . She just didn't feel it . She didn't feel any emotions at all .
By January 8th , most of the wreckage of the plane had been found and the first 20 deceased passengers as well , and there are reports of incredibly gruesome finds , just like what Julianne had stumbled across with the passengers in their seat . Most passengers were either dismembered or horribly disfigured .
The pilot was only identifiable because of his position in the cockpit . Her mother was eventually found among the wreckage , along with a few other people that they said that they had actually survived the initial impact but had very quickly succumbed to their injuries . So it was determined that the plane had crashed due to a lightning strike .
The airline that day had been running late . I said that they had been to cancelled flights already . There was a seven hour delay . The pilots were under extreme pressure to try and make up as much time as they could , so instead of detouring and going around the storm , they decided to fly straight through it . So it was pilot error that led to the crash .
God , they made a really bad choice , didn't they Just ?
yeah , just stupid . So Julianne made a complete recovery and has since been back to the crash site and back to the jungle . She's still a very active part of Panguana after her father died . She doesn't fear the jungle at all . Instead , she chooses to view it as though the jungle saved her . She's not scared of the jungle at all , she flies all the time .
She's just an incredible woman , and this book that she's written is called when I Fell Out of the Sky or something like that . We'll link it . But the book itself and her overview and her way of thinking is incredibly inspiring .
Definitely , because if you think , you know , if you're having a bit of a bad day and you're like , oh God , stuck in all that traffic , it kind of really puts things into perspective about where people can actually survive . Yeah , you know , when you're feeling tired . I've said that since having chemo .
Never again will I complain about being tired , because on a normal pre-cancer , when you're just like , oh my God , I'm so tired , I actually wasn't .
Yeah .
Cancer . Tired is a very different feeling and is absolute exhaustion , and I'd never again will complain of just feeling ever so slightly tired .
Yeah , you need to be aware of , like our daily moans .
Yeah , they're so .
Be more responsible for it . Do you know what I mean ? There's first world problems .
First world problems , when you're like , oh , I've had such a hard day .
Yeah .
Yeah , have you though . Have you , though , exactly ? But the reason that I chose this story was not just because it's you know she survived in this situation .
It's just the sheer amount of divine intervention , yeah , that how things had to be so perfectly aligned for her to be able to survive and be rescued , I mean your timing could have been better from my point of view . Sorry , but yeah , just the fact that , if she had not , it's almost like her childhood had been preparing her for what was going to happen .
Definitely , if she hadn't been in the jungle , she would never have survived the way that she did . And had she not listened to her body and listened to her gut instincts , she would never have been found . And just the sheer amount of fate that led to her being found was what makes this story so incredible .
Yeah , definitely . I think we knew she'd do a survival weekend .
I would love that .
See if we can actually function without any mod , cons or anything .
There's a program on Netflix and it's called Outlast or Outback . Why am I so rubbish ? You remember it ?
I mean , it's one word . It's one word , and that's the whole point of your sentence . It's a really great program . It's called something anyway , and everyone should watch it .
I think it's called Outlast . I said something . We was watching the telly yesterday and this woman said something and I just said to Josie what a waste of a sentence that was . And Josie just looked at me like , are you serious ? Anyways , it's a program about survival and they survive in the Alaskan .
You're a lot more like Phoebe than you realise . You know that thing with the stuff .
That is me . No , that is me Absolutely . The thing with the stuff . You know the stuff .
You know the thing with the stuff . They all know .
No , yeah , no , I apologise .
I watch Alone . Is it similar to that ? I don't know . Alone is where they drop like 20 people .
I'm going to write this down because I love it In separate bits of Alaska .
Oh really , what's that on ? Anyways , it's great though .
Look it up Alone . Yeah , we're reconvening on that Alone Cool . But yeah , this story , although incredibly astounding as it is , the fact that the like I say , the sheer amount of divine intervention and how much fate played a part in this , I think it really intrigued me . So there you are .
It is incredible . It's very sort of similar to , like , a couple of the other stories that you've done , but kind of a bit of that , a bit of that and a bit of that in one . But yeah , I mean it's , that's incredible , that's proper humans fighting down and surviving .
Yeah , in fact she didn't feel any pain what the human body can go through is yeah , is tremendous .
She had a broken collarbone for 11 days and still like managed to wade her way through everything , and it's crazy .
Crazy , but you're welcome . Yes , thank you very much , and I shall send you a extra special thank you text on Saturday morning Before you board , when . I'm at the airport .
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I swear you could do an outtake video of me just trying to put my headphones on .
Yeah , we could fill a whole day of video of you getting your fingers caught in the microphone Headphones .
