¶ Diatlov Pass Mystery
Hi , Hi . I had a whale of a time . Actually my nan had given Josie and I a massive , a really old box of embroidery threads like different shades and things . She'd given me this huge box of actual threads . But there's two types of threads there's anchor threads and there's DMC threads .
And then DMC .
Yeah , they've got different numbers and so I sat for ages converting the anchor thread to the DMC thread numbers like googling them and then winding them around the bobbin .
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So I could put them in the in our little thread organizer . Let me show you what I've done so far Lovely .
Oh , very nice , Very nice and organized .
There's a random bland for you . Remember I said I don't really have any fun facts because I'm boring as shit , I just spend my evenings .
Now you sit out to prove it , and my evenings winding thread onto bobbins .
Believe me , what made it even more exciting , believe it or not , is that some of the old anchor numbers , that the ones that my nan had given me , were old . So then I had to convert the old numbers of anchor to the new numbers of anchor , and then the new numbers of anchor to the DMC threads .
Honestly , Such a busy girl . I like the fact that you said what makes it even more exciting . I know I mean as if it wasn't exciting enough .
It's such a great time doing it . Just like you don't have to do that if you don't want to and ask like excuse me , I'm having a great time .
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You're like no , not you . My nan sent me a card the other day and I got it out and it said thinking of you on it and I said I bet she's had this card since 1974 . She's dug it out just for that this occasion .
Yep I have everything like that . Claire said to me the other day about being a hoarder and she said do you know what ? You don't need to have something for every possible eventuality . And I was like , do you even know ?
Of course I do , when zombies come knocking at this door and I turn around to Claire and go well , we had to sell my Samurai sword , so I don't know what you're going to do now . And all those out of date tins of food . I tell you what that's , claire . She's like no , don't believe in best before dates .
Yeah , I'm the same . I don't believe in that , that'll be fine .
Me and the kids are like this is fizzy , shut up .
Elite Hello , I got some crisps out there . I covered the other day at the game to Josie and she was like they in date and I was like they're crisps , they're crisps Always in date .
Can I take any difference ? She's like these are chewy and burny .
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Because I'm up in Norfolk .
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Oh , it's so , it's so it . You'll love it and you'll know it . Okay , okay , but jeez , it's hard . Oh , I thought I'm messing myself out . I thought we'd agreed . No , no , it's not hard , as in , it's hard to tell . It's hard for me to physically get these words out of my mouth . Oh really , because they're hard to pronounce .
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Okay , it's hard and you'll understand when I tell you the title . I'm really going to struggle with the pronunciation of pretty much the whole story .
So my apologies , and I'm not being disrespectful , but I probably will have to nickname some of the people or shorten the names or something like that , because otherwise it's just going to sound horrendous and everyone's going to be like I have no idea who you're talking about .
Like when I started to read Lord of the Rings . Yes exactly , gosh , all of the names and places I just couldn't pronounce in my head , so I started just naming them something else . Yeah , yeah , exactly Fred . Yes , all of the really long places they were going to .
I was like I kept tripping up over the word in my head and I was like this isn't fun for me , yeah , no , and it makes it hard to visualise in your mind , doesn't it Like ?
when you're reading a book , you visualise a film in your mind , don't you ? And if you can't , if you're tripping over the words all the time , it makes it really hard . So today I am going to attempt the story of the Diatlov Pass .
Oh yeah , I'll be waiting for this one .
And it just really , really perplexes me .
¶ The Dyatlov Pass Incident
Yeah , I remember that I think that's what got us into this sort of thing originally is that you'd yeah , Did you listen to a podcast or something on it and then you told me about it . We was like what ?
I did . I've read a book on it , I've seen a couple of documentaries like years ago , and I've listened to over the years several podcasts on it , audiobooks , all this kind of thing . But every time I think I've got in my mind what I think happened . I kind of fight with myself and I'm like that couldn't have happened because of this and this .
Yeah , and it's such a bizarre story .
Yeah , and it's so controversial with what people think , and I'll do my best . I can't wait , I'll do my best and hopefully it won't be too complicated and you guys can tell us what you think . But yeah , I'll be interested to see what your views are on it , because it's a confusing one and it happened quite a long time ago as well .
So it makes it really difficult because there's not much sort of technology and things , mm-hmm . Anyway , without further ado , the Dyatlov Pass incident . On the night of February 2nd 1959 , a group of nine experienced hikers embarked on a journey to reach the peak of this is the first one Kola shalaka Shalaka sorry , the literal translation means dead mountain .
So and that's how it should be named and now on , that's what I should call it in the Ural Mountains , and this is in what is now modern-day Russia . So the group was led by Igor Dyatlov and that . So this place , the Dyatlov Pass , wasn't called Dyatlov Pass , but it's since been named after Igor or Igor Dyatlov , and he was 23 .
I mean , they were all super young . It's so tragic . Okay , so I'm going to go through the people that were in the group . Bear with me . We've just come up with this really good idea . I can't pronounce these things . We . That was all me , but you know I was going to say I came up with it , so All me .
All right , sarah just came up with a really good idea , because I cannot at all pronounce these names . I've tried . I've tried putting it phonetically , it just doesn't work . So there was Igor Dyatlov , and he was 23 . There was Zineda , who was 22 . There was Rushdem , who was 23 . There was Ludmilla , who was 20 . Yuri Doroshenko , who was 21 .
Yuri Yudin , who was 21 . There was Georgie , who was 23 . Alexander 24 . Nicolai , who was 23 . And the odd one out , semyon , who was 38 . So all of them were young grade two hikers and they were adventurous souls .
They had an absolute passion for exploration and they were planning to do this trip to successfully get their stage three in mountaineering , which is the highest grade you can get . So they weren't inexperienced hikers or you know , they were pretty much almost at the top of their game , you know , in their early 20s .
All of the group were students at the Euro-Politicnic Institute , except Semyon , who was the guy that's 38 who was supposed to be going on a different expedition of the same difficulty , but it was over a longer period . So he ended up where he decided , at kind of last minute to go with the diet loft group .
The group set off by train and arrived at Yvdel in early hours of the 25th of January 1959 where they got a lift in a truck to Fizheye , the last inhabited northern settlement . So they brought bread and prepared for like the next day's hike . On January 27th . They set off towards Gorah Autaden .
By the following day Yuri Yudin had to turn back due to ill health and Yuri suffered from rheumatism , really bad rheumatism , and he also had a congenital heart defect .
To be honest , most of his issues was he was suffering with really bad knee and joint pain and he just said in a later interview that he knew that he was just gonna hold the group back and you can only go as fast as like the slowest person and he said he just he had to admit defeat .
So when they kind of got to the last settlement he was just like I'm not gonna go any further , I'm gonna head on back . But ironically he wasn't able to get like a lift on the horse and trap or whatever it was . So he actually skied 15 miles back . Oh my god , I know I was like geez 15 miles on skis .
Still , though , is there a bear he done that than what's coming up ?
Yeah , exactly , ironically , him you know , feeling disappointed and heading on back ended up saving his life .
On January 31st they arrived at the edge of the wooded area and prepared to begin climbing , they had to hide a cache of food and equipment for the journey back , so they sort of stopped and selected a whole load of stuff that they were gonna sort of leave behind , that they didn't need for like the sort of the hardest bit of the climb .
The bad weather and snow storms caused them to deviate from their intended route and they ended up setting up camp on the slopes of the mountain rather than go back down to the wooded area . Before they left , igor Dyatlov agreed to send a telegram to their sports club upon their return , and this was expected no later than the 12th of February .
It was common for this type of expedition to run a few days late , but when nobody heard from them , there wasn't really any kind of immediate panic . They just sort of thought yeah , it happens , you know , sometimes someone will twist an ankle or something like that and they end up getting a you know , getting back a week later or something . So no big deal .
But by the 20th of February , when there was still no news , the relatives started like to demand that there was a rescue mission . So they were like , okay , fine , we'll send some people out to look for the party . The head of the Institute sent the first wave of searchers on the 26th of Feb . They found the abandoned campsite on the side of the mountain .
The tent was kind of half buried under the snow and they found that it had been cut like slashed open , and at first their assumption was that someone had slashed their way into the tent and you know taken them or you know chased them off or whatever . But they actually had someone that .
It was actually someone that during the war used to mend soldiers uniforms , so they were very good at inspecting like slashes and stabs in the uniform , and they actually was actually a woman .
And she looked at the slash of the tent and she said you can tell that this was cut from the inside , like the scratches on the side of the material where it had been cut .
She said you can absolutely tell that this was cut from the inside and this suggested that there'd been a panic to escape , potentially in the middle of the night , as shoes and clothes and belongings had all been left behind , including numerous diaries and cameras , which , luckily , a lot of this information has come from .
Nine set of footprints of people wearing socks , one shoe , or just completely barefoot could be seen , leading away from the camp downhill towards where this wooded area was , but this was nearly one mile to the northeast . After about 500 meters , the tracks were lost in the snow .
At the edge of the woods , under a large pine tree , searchers found the remains of a fire , and it was where they found , unfortunately , the first two bodies , and up till then it had been a sort of a rescue mission , if you like . So they assumed that they were going to be holed up somewhere , possibly waiting for help .
Maybe one of them had had an accident or something . But at this point investigation took a turn . These two bodies were Georgie and Yuri Durushenko , and they were dressed only in their underwear and without shoes .
Some of the lower branches had been broken off of the tree , suggesting that they had tried to make a fire or perhaps climb up the tree to look for the tent , maybe . Between the tree and the campsite , searchers found another three hikers , and this was Igor Deyotlov , zineda and Ruchtem .
The positioning of their bodies suggested that they had died trying to return to the tent possibly , and the last four of the group were not found for another two months . On the 4th of May , 75 meters further into the woods , under four meters of snow , they finally found the other four .
These hikers were wearing more clothes than the ones that were first recovered , suggesting possibly they had taken the clothes off of them because not all items of clothing that they were wearing were theirs they belonged to the others .
But yeah , so possibly they thought that maybe the you know , the first two had died by the tree and they had taken their clothes off and put them on . They were quite layered up . But that brings the question if they were , then why would they have been going further away from the tent ? Why would they not have gone back to the tent ?
Yeah , there's a lot in this that doesn't really add up , is there ?
Yeah , they were experienced hikers and the tent was their only salvation . You know , it was their only cover . It was where their food was , it was where their supplies were , it's where they had water .
Speaking to other hikers , you know , and people involved in this , in this case as well , again , they spoke to Uri , like years later , and he said the same thing . He said that I know them and I'm also an experienced hiker there is no way they would have made that decision . They wouldn't have chosen to have left the tent . They wouldn't have chosen .
You know so especially like barefoot and yeah , like they've made a hasty escape for some reason .
Yeah , exactly , if they had time to undress you know two of their friends and put their clothes on . What was it that was keeping them from the tent ? Why were they not heading back towards the tent ? An investigation into the deaths was started and on the first five no injuries were found that could have led to their deaths , so it was ruled hypothermia .
Rushtem had a small crack in his skull that was consistent with some kind of blunt force to his head , but it was all . It was thought not to be fatal . However , the four bodies found in May changed everything dramatically , as they had exhibited fatal injuries , really , really bad . So Nikolai had serious skull damage .
Ludmilla and Semion both had major chest fractures , but neither bodies had any external wounds at all , which is weird . I mean Semion , not only did he have several broken ribs , but he actually had one of his heart valves yeah , some of his heart valve . Were that actually like smashed so hard that it crushed it ?
Yeah , but no external bruising .
No , no cuts , no bruising on the outside . They said that the damage to their chests both of them was comparable with the force of a car accident and it was as if they'd been subjected to extreme pressure . But this damage could not have been done by another human , as there was no tissue damage .
So it's like it happened on the inside but not on the outside . The bodies were partly in running water because they were so far down . The snow had started to melt and become slush and water , so the parts of their bodies were quite decomposed that had been subjected to being held under the water .
There was also suggestions that the eyes of one of the victims were removed while she was alive . I mean perplexing .
Yeah . So I haven't really said much because I know the story and I don't really have much to say because I just don't know what happened . I know , that's how .
I feel it's like whenever anyone offers , yeah , but I think it was because of this . It's like , yes , but these are the reasons why it wasn't there , yeah .
Yeah , we've been through this to try and figure out what's happened and I don't know , so it's tricky . I have nothing to offer . The end .
There was also . There were no other tracks around . You know . They did find their footprints in the snow . They could tell that , as I said before , they weren't wearing shoes , apart from one that was wearing one shoe , some of them barefoot , but there was no other tracks . The hikers had left their tent in a panic , that's for sure .
They cut a hole in their only shelter . So it would have been . And again , when they interviewed Uri , he said you absolutely do not do that unless your tent is on fire .
Yeah , there's a life and death situation that they chose to get out of that .
You would never , ever do that . You would never cut your only shelter as a hiker , you would just never do that . They must have been escaping . But from what ? Why would you cut yourself out of your only shelter anyway ? They would have known that any damage to their tent would have been catastrophic .
So the biggest question that still remains is what would make them cut it open from the inside and live in such a panic ?
It's going to have to be something that got in there with them maybe , because if it was something that was outside , you wouldn't be in that much of a panic to leave your tent . It's going to have to be something that happened inside , like if one of them had turned against the others .
Oh , I thought you were going to say turned into something . I was going to go that's my worst nightmare . No , I thought that .
No , if one of them had turned against the rest of something and started going mental , then they would have to quickly find a way out and might not have been able to get the actual opening . So just slash their way out .
Yeah , now I'm just thinking that one of them turned into a werewolf .
Yeah .
Well , because I tell you what , if I was in a tent and one of my tent buddies suddenly started , you know , turning into a werewolf , you better believe I'd cut my way out of that tent .
Yeah , that's the only thing I could think of , because if it was something on the outside , first and foremost they wouldn't have been able to see what it was , because they're inside , yeah , they wouldn't have been in that much of a panic to get out .
It's got to be something that happened inside the tent for them to have wanted to slush it open and climb out and run away . Yeah .
Werewolf Well solved it . We're getting so good at solving stuff .
¶ The Controversial Dyatlov Pass Incident
One member had very , very high radioactive particles on his clothes , but they all tested for radioactive particles . They had left their tent of their owner , called Onfoot . All footprints leading from the tent were consistent with people walking at a normal pace .
Wow , See , there keeps being things that pop up and you think you know , the trouble is that this happened in 1950 , 50 something , didn't it ? So , experts then versus experts now . It could be a very different story .
Had somebody from today gone and investigated , they would have found that actually it was slushed open from the outside , or actually footprints were consistent with the running .
Yeah , I mean , I get that , but I also think that the government were and this isn't speculation , this is fact . The government were very keen to get this shut down and put away .
What's the life that found like upper tree .
No , they were found . They were the two guys were found at the bottom of the tree with the branches broke and they think that they might have potentially climbed up the tree . Yeah , but the branches were found , like you know , smashed to fuck .
Yeah , but they were the ones that found no physical , like they deemed them , that they died of hypothermia .
Yes , yeah , yeah . So they had no injuries .
Yeah , but if they're falling out of trees and broken the branches on the way down , you'd think there'd be some sort of injury to the body .
Yeah or something else broke the branches and their speculation that it was some sort of like avalanche . I mean , that's a big part of it , for for many , many people they go no , there was an avalanche , but there's many reasons why it wasn't one . There was no evidence and they recorded avalanche .
The avalanche as well would have covered all their footprints Exactly . It would have covered the footprints . Also , it would have covered the tent .
Yeah , they did say it was like half buried under snow , but it .
Yeah , I mean it snowed yeah . Yeah , it took . It took them days to to find them and it had snowed , but it wasn't so covered in snow that it was buried . I mean , they , they were able to see it . They were like there is , yeah , the tent , bland tent and the two bodies that were under the tree were only like a couple of inches under snow .
If they'd been an avalanche , and if there'd been an avalanche and it would have hit an avalanche would have hit their tent , it would have smashed their tent pieces . Yeah , in 1959 , the conclusion was that they had died to a compelling natural force . That was their cause of death .
Just remind me natural force . Four of them were found , and then they put down that they had died of oh no , five of them that they died of hypothermia . Yeah , and then , before one was found , skull bashed in .
Yeah .
Two were found chest compressions .
So a couple of them were missing their eyeballs . Yeah , one of the women had had no tongue .
Oh yeah , I remember that so they said that it wasn't bitten off .
So they're saying , when the coroner looked he said it wasn't consistent with the animals rodents or something like that Eating her tongue . It was gone .
Yuri , who was the only survivor because he didn't actually make it to the past , kind of plays with the idea that she , she was very not opinionated , but he kind of suggested that it could have been that someone removed her tongue because she kept talking . Oh , really . So he said that I know her . Yeah , that could have been a possibility that Shut her up .
Yeah , you know , almost because none of the others did , none of the others had it , and that was the other thing . Because they were all found together . There was a lot of talk of if it was animals that were eating their eyeballs and their tongues and things like that . Why just that ? Yeah , do you know what I mean ? Why just her ?
Why just that the animals would have gone round and done that to all of them ?
Yeah , they would have had a right feast , yeah , but yeah , it was suggested that they believed that her eyes , because there was a couple of them that had their eyes missing , and it was suggested that their eyes were removed while they were still alive , which is Going back to what they said .
The conclusion in 1959 was that they had died due to a compelling natural force . What the fuck ? How can you label something as death due to a compelling natural force ?
I mean , what would they have ? Named it as though , what would they have put down that had happened ?
I mean , I would have , probably , I would have understood a bit more if it was due to , like you know , an accident , because they were in a snow avalanche . Yeah , but then that doesn't .
Yeah , but you know , missing eyes and tongues and yeah , but what is a compelling natural force ? I guess , I guess that would be like avalanche . I can guess that would be a compelling natural force , would be an avalanche .
Yeah , I know , I guess that might be . Yeah , maybe that's exactly what they've done then , but but anyway , it was in 1959 , it was case closed due to lack of a guilty party and all documents were sent to a secret archive . Again , what the fuck ? Why would you send all the documents to a secret archive ?
It kind of leads to the point that it's like a government thing that they've got all that people think that At least that we was creating the escape .
Oh God , yeah ,
¶ Possible Theories Explained
well , yeah . Over the years , many , many theories have been suggested , so here are some of the most popular . So let's discuss Theory number one avalanche . So some experts argue that an avalanche was the cause of the Deatloff tragedy .
The hiker's decision to set up camp in a potentially dangerous area , combined with the heavy snowfall and unstable snow conditions , could have triggered a sudden avalanche , or a slab avalanche , not to be confused with a slag avalanche .
Oh , you always get the two mixed up .
Oh , no same . I'm like , oh , it's just a slab avalanche . Oh no , it's a slag , avalanche , leg it Big herd of slags going round towards them . Oh , legs everywhere . A slab avalanche would probably have made a loud cracking sound before it happened , warning them of impending danger .
So I guess , I don't know , maybe if they couldn't get the I don't know how the tent was I mean , I can't imagine 1959 it would have been a zip , would it ? It wouldn't . It would have been like , yeah , I reckon 1959 , would it ?
I don't know ? Zip , yeah , that's not a modern thing .
I mean I've got a zip on my little greenhouse outside . Oh God , that irritates the life out of me . I can never get it open then when I close it .
Maybe that's what happened . Such an old fashioned zip Couldn't get it open . Slash that thing .
When I was reading up about this , they said on that angle of the hill , if there'd been an avalanche they would have had maybe 10 seconds .
So they've gone , don't ? We ain't got time to fuck about that zip .
Exactly so . They heard the crack and they were like avalanche Smash the tent over open and leg dip .
But that's the point , isn't it ? Leg dip ? They didn't , and there was no avalanche because the tent was .
There was no avalanche . The tent wasn't destroyed , no , I mean , everything was left standing as it was . These were experienced hikers . Why would they have slashed their tent open , which would have been absolute last result ? Yeah , and in actual fact , everything was left just as it was . So if they'd have stayed in their tent , they would have been fine .
Yeah , if that was the case , disrespectful , but yeah . So when they checked , when the rescuers turned up , or there was no sign of an avalanche , right and would they have slashed open their tent just because they heard noise that they thought might have been an avalanche ?
Yeah .
I don't think so .
No Right , not avalanche .
So , we're saying no , okay . Theory number two military involvement . This theory speculates that nearby military presence , secretive in nature , played a role in the incident . Claims suggest that hikers inadvertently stumbled upon secret military testing leading to their demise . However , there were no tracks anywhere in the area apart from their own .
There were suggestions that Semion was an agent who had been planted in the group , but he died as well . Yeah , I don't know how I feel about . There's a lot of there's a lot of information on the possible military involvement , even down to the fact that they were all found to have some sort of radioactive particles on them . Maybe , yeah , maybe they did .
Again , there were no tracks . Why would they have slashed their way out of the tent ? Maybe they didn't , Maybe you're right . Maybe we're hanging on to the fact that they slashed their way out . Maybe they didn't . Maybe someone did slash from the outside and say get out .
Yeah , because that just seems to make more sense .
Yeah , I mean . Yuri said there's no way that they would have left the tent not all of them .
Yeah .
In case you know , for any reason , if there was a snowstorm or something , they couldn't find their way back , and he said they certainly wouldn't have left barefoot or just in socks . That you just wouldn't do that . The only way they would have left their tent like that is if they were being held at gunpoint .
Yeah .
And even he said that I don't know how I feel about the military involvement . I think it's definitely a possibility and yeah but what kind of military involvement ?
Because , although it's a secretive , there isn't anything that could create the . You know what had happened to those people , the fact that their ribs and heart had been crushed , but their body was okay .
Yeah , well , I mean , but you don't know what they saw , what they were testing . Do you know what I mean ? Maybe they were testing some sort of sonic boom , nuclear cannon or something you know , and maybe I don't know .
Maybe the guys that were under the tree maybe they got hit with it first , yeah , but then that doesn't explain why the others were wearing their clothes , yeah , and they were all found with , like massive head trauma , missing tongues , missing eyeballs .
Go on . What's the next theory ?
Yeah , we'll come back to that . We don't know how we feel about that .
I need to hear them all first .
I'll give you all the options . The next one is called Carmen Vortex Street , and this is a repeated pattern of swirling vortex .
Well , that's like a natural occurrence , that's like a weather thing .
So this is the name given to a form of infrasound low frequency waves below the threshold of human perception . It has been proposed that a potential expo is been proposed as a potential explanation for the Dyatlov incident .
Some believe that this is a unique combination of wind patterns and the mountains topography created infrasound which induced panic , disorientation and irrational behavior .
Right . Their behavior is so far . It's certainly been irrational .
To be honest , I don't know enough about that to argue it one way or the other . I mean they could have gone bonkers .
¶ Dyatlov Pass Incident Theories Explored
But again , how do you explain someone's insides being hit by a car but not your outsides ? Yeah , unless they stepped out of their skin , got hit by a car , got back in , died .
So I don't know . You know , if you've died of hypothermia , let's say to your your heart's not pumping the blood anymore and then been hit by an avalanche or like you know , would that not create internal injuries , but not necessarily external injuries , because you wouldn't have a bruise in ? I don't ?
know , or possibly they did fall from high up the tree , yeah , and that would have been a force .
It's not going to scratch the skin or leave a visible mark . It's not going to make the skin red because there's no blood pumping and there's not going to bruise . Yeah , but it would still crack bone .
But I mean again , what's the chances of two of them going high up a tree , falling into snow , I don't know . Next is my favorite A possible Yeti or UFO or some kind of other unknown creature Popular among conspiracy theorists . This theory suggests that the hikers encountered an unknown creature , possibly a Yeti , which led to their tragic fate .
One of the photos on the camera found in the tent looked like it could be a Yeti and I couldn't find the exact information on it , but I remember , I remember reading that I think it might have been Zanada had kept a diary and in one of the last , if not the last , diary entry of hers she put something like now we know that snow people really do exist .
And I haven't been able to find it since and I don't know . I don't remember where I read it , but it's just one of the things that's always stuck with me . What the hell was she talking about ? Now we really know that snow people exist . What was that ?
Yeah , but yeah , one of the photos it looks looks Yeti like , and the last photo that was taken shows a sort of bright orb light in the sky . Personally , I don't . It doesn't look like that to me . Personally , it looks like like a lens flare .
You know , like if you've taken taken a picture when the phone's been in your bag or something and it's gone off and it's like nothing's kind of reflected off of its own lens , kind of thing . But yeah , I've got to say the Yeti picture and obviously I will post that .
So if you're listening to this or watching this on YouTube you're looking at it right now does look like a Yeti , it really does .
I don't know what it looks like because , I mean , it's incredibly snowy , so you wouldn't leave your tent .
But I'll tell you what else . In that picture there looks like sort of two tracks . Can you see like going up to it , Like it's been shuffling through the snow ? It's only very slight , but do you see what I mean ?
Oh , yeah , it almost looks a little bit like a rag mark type .
Yeah , yeah , like two lines going through the snow .
So it looks like , but it looks almost . I don't think that looks like a Yeti , though it doesn't look like a person , but a Yeti to me is like white and covered in hair .
Yeah , I mean , I guess if it's living in snowy conditions , you would think that its hair would be white , wouldn't you ? Because then polar bears and things .
Yeah , whatever it is , they've obviously felt the need to take a picture of it . Yeah , I mean it's very close .
If it was a Yeti , I'd be intrigued to know when that picture was taken . Is it possible that the pictures fit in with being taken on that day , on that day that they died ? Did they see that , take a picture and then it flew towards them ? Yeah , and the possibility of was it aliens ?
That's a big thing as well , and with that in mind , there was also two other hiking groups that were quite away from the Etloff Pass and they said that they saw like rocket-like things going up in the sky and they all stopped and were like watching it .
Is it possible that that was some kind of military thing going off in the Etloff Pass and maybe they got too close to it or I don't know .
Yeah , I don't . I think had it been some sort of military thing , I think their bodies would be a little bit worse off than what they were .
I think , potentially they would have cleared the whole thing . Why would they have left it in such mystery ? Why would they not have killed them , disposed of their bodies , disposed of the tent ? You know it's a mystery , they've never been found . Wouldn't that have been better , I guess , for the military anyway ?
Yeah , all this , you know , being found in such a state , of course people are going to ask questions . So that kind of then puts me off of that idea , because I think , well , why would they have left it so messy ? It's the Russian government .
Yeah . What other theories are there anymore ?
One more . It's paradoxical , undressing . So there's no disputing . Some of the hikers died from hypothermia , and the late stages of hypothermia can , ironically , cause people to feel like they're boiling hot , yeah , and start to undress . However , some of the hikers had added clothing , which suggests that they were still able to make sensible decisions .
So why were they out of the tent and why didn't they go back to the tent ? I don't know . I don't get it , because the two guys that were found that they said possible hypothermia , were actually cuddled together . Yeah , and their bodies were found . So it was like they were trying to keep warm and that . So it's weird .
There are other theories that have been suggested throughout the last 60-something years . Did they trespass on local sacred tribal ground Is another possibility .
Some people think that , yeah , because cutting tongues out and removing eyes is a tribal thing , Well , some people think that the Mansi tribe they actually helped with the search , apparently , and they are peaceful people . But some people think maybe the Mansi tribes attacked them because they'd done something that they shouldn't have done .
But , as I said , they're peaceful people and the nearest Mansi settlement was 60 miles away .
Oh , so it's not a led trespass , audit , a walk through .
No , and also there were no other tracks .
Yeah .
So , unless they were flying , was there some kind of argument in the group ? Did someone storm out and the others went after them ? I don't know . Anyway , in 2019 , the Russian government reopened the case , allowing a team of experts to examine new evidence , including medical records and the hiker's diaries .
Although no definitive answers has ever been found , it's been concluded that it was some sort of avalanche , and they've concluded it at that and shut it down . But was it ?
Yeah , because I mean , some of them died of hypothermia , some of them died . It could have been an avalanche , but what sort of animals would be around ? That would say that the animals did eat the tongue and the eyes or something . What sort of animals would be there ? It would have been everything else .
If it would have been something , why the tongue ? Why would you Like any animal ? Why would you eat the tongue first , Do you ? They'd eat their face Also . One of the other things was , apparently , when they saw their bodies . They said this was like members of the family .
They said that their skin on their face was very dark , not in respect of like you know , like frostbite , not like that but their faces looked like almost like they'd been really tanned .
Like radioactive .
Yeah , like burnt , like cooked burnt , not , yeah , not like frostbite , like black . But they said their faces were very dark brown , like unnaturally dark brown , and they said , like what could have caused that ? Some sort of radioactiveness ? Was it something to do with , like UFOs or something ? Some sort of bright flare or flash or something ?
Oh , it's really perplexing .
Yeah , I don't know .
Because I really don't know what I think .
I don't know .
There's so many parts of it that I'm like yeah , I think it's like .
I can't tick all the boxes , but this is what I think . Okay , go . And then they thought there's no point in us going further . We don't have a tent now to stay in . We'll leave just , you know , ignore the fact they didn't have any shoes , but let's leave . And then they all started to die of hypothermia and then all of the injuries were done post death .
So could have been so Of the room flicked on an avalanche , but by an avalanche after they died already .
I haven't decided yet why they would have left the tent with no shoes on , no , but the tongue could have been eaten by something and so could the eyes and the head injury and the crushes and things could have been an avalanche , but it would have been done once they were already died from hypothermia .
How do you explain the broken branches in the tree Avalanche ? Yeah , but none of the other branches are broken . Selective avalanche .
Just one slag that went off course .
Yeah , I told you I hadn't ticked all the boxes . It's so confusing , isn't it ? I don't know . I do think I'll revisit this because there was a lot of information , obviously , that I haven't included , but it's a perplexing one .
Yeah , please let us know what you guys think , because I would be intrigued to hear your arguments for certain theories , all of the theories or tell us of theories that you've heard of that maybe fit better , or ?
Yeah , Personally I don't believe in the Yeti theory or the alien theory .
I don't know . See , now I'm swinging more towards your theory of one of them turned into a werewolf , yeah , and they shit their knickers , slashed their way out the tent , legged it , and it was probably dark because it was full moon . Yeah , yeah , it was a nighttime and it was full moon .
And that , yeah , one of them burst into a werewolf and the others thought , oh shit , legged it , yeah , and maybe got a little bit lost in the trees .
Yeah , because once she starts , once hypothermia takes hold , then nothing really makes sense , does it ? Because you're disorientated and you're not thinking clearly and you don't make decisions in your right mind because you're not in your right mind . So like the fact that you take your clothes off because you feel hot .
So once hypothermia sets in , then everything else from then doesn't make any sense , Because you think why would you take your clothes off or why would you go that way , or why would they do this ? But they're not in their right mind . Oh my God , I've just thought of something .
Go on , you know Yuri left because he was feeling unwell . Yeah , and my wife is the werewolf .
Baby , because he's just the werewolf .
He just did the skeet all the way down , yeah , he did go with him . He did go with him and he turned into a werewolf and he killed them all and then he went back and went yeah , I didn't go . I didn't go . I had bad bellyache , solved it Easy .
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