Angie Colee (00:01):
Welcome to Permission to Kick Gas, a podcast about leaving self-doubt in the dust, punching, fear in the face, and taking bold action toward your biggest dreams. I'm Angie Colee and let's get to it. Hey, and welcome back to Permission to Kick with me today is, and he's making his second appearance. Say hi to Brian McCarthy.
Brian McCarthy (00:28):
Oh, hey
Angie Colee (00:29):
<laugh>. I'm so glad to see you again. And it's so funny too cause we got to hang out in Denver last week and now we're talking virtually while you're in Denver and I am in Louisville. It's bizarre. I love life. Yes. <laugh>. Yes.
Brian McCarthy (00:42):
Heaven forbid we hang out too much and talk too much in person. Get back to the safety of behind our screens.
Angie Colee (00:47):
Yes, yes. Let's do the real conversing behind the screens. <laugh>. Uh, so tell us a little bit about you and your business.
Brian McCarthy (00:53):
Yeah, sure. Thank you. I used to be a copywriter, still dabbling a little bit, but now have shifted to, uh, mindset coaching for freelancers and entrepreneurs. Uh, mostly helping, uh, like entrepreneurs that are stressed out, being able to grow their business without all the stress and while actually enjoying their life. And, uh, also working, doing that with copywriters and also kind of helping them like step off, get away from client work, get to get in their own thing going, uh, overcome the, you know, mental head trash that keeps them from getting out, owning their authority and getting their own coaching consulting or kinda like offers going.
Angie Colee (01:34):
I love it. Well, and then for those of you who are longtime listeners to the show, you've probably heard me mention Brian, I don't know, probably two, three dozen times by now. Uh, but he is my coach. We've been working together for two years and was instrumental in getting, helping get this podcast off the ground. Uh, your episode number 16 is one of the more popular ones that people are just like, oh my gosh, y'all have such good energy. And I was laughing the all time <laugh>, right. How dare business be fun, man. We were told to put on
Brian McCarthy (02:02):
Concept
Angie Colee (02:03):
Suit entitled
Brian McCarthy (02:05):
Miserable Tie and have meetings that nobody likes. And,
Angie Colee (02:10):
Uh, I do want that ribbon to be a thing. Like I survived another meeting that should have been an email.
Brian McCarthy (02:14):
Yeah, you, you know, that was actually, I, I've been thinking about this. Um, you know how like swimming people getting into this entrepreneur thing cause it's like they see the of like the corporate world and I'm just like, I don't wanna do that. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, like I wanted to do my own thing, entrepreneur, freelancer. Woo. And then they joined that and then they quickly, like the same cycle starts to repeat where it's like, yes, oh, but I need to do that a certain way. Oh, but this is the way to be an entrepreneur. This is, it's like, and we just kind of get trapped into, okay, we just abandon this path for this other kind of path. Um, and yeah, we get kind of caught in a lot of the same cycle and head trash and like, I need to be this certain way. And we forget about like, the whole point we left was so we could have more fun, have more freedom, express ourselves, that kind of stuff. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, that's just been fun to notice <laugh>.
Angie Colee (03:03):
I love that. No, I, I noticed that in myself too. Like, leave the corporate job cuz it's making me miserable. But the corporate job is the only context that I have, so I immediately go about recreating that Yeah. In my own business. Yeah. Because it's my only sense of quote unquote normalcy. And people like laugh at me when I tell 'em, oh, now I've done like multi, uh, you know, a hundred thousand dollars strategies while in a hot air balloon. But it's true.
Brian McCarthy (03:27):
Yeah. Yeah. That's
Angie Colee (03:29):
Super cool. You don't have to be at a desk anymore to be productive. You just don't. You don't.
Brian McCarthy (03:32):
Yeah. Yeah. It's fun watching the rest of the world start to catch onto that.
Angie Colee (03:36):
Yes. I know, right. It wa it was pretty interesting when I first hit the road last year because I was kind of surprised you and I are steeped in this world of like people that are digital nomads and who have been working remote. Uh, and I was doing it for years before I started my own business just working remote with my company. And then folks, uh, were like, oh my gosh, is that new since the pandemic? And I was like, oh no, I've been, I've been working online since 2017. Yeah. <laugh>, it's nice. It's the wave of the future <laugh>. Um, I do think it's great that the last time that we were talking, we were celebrating kind of the getting over the fears and just getting the podcast out there.
Brian McCarthy (04:13):
Yeah. <laugh>
Angie Colee (04:15):
<laugh>.
Brian McCarthy (04:16):
How does it feel looking back at that of like the fears of having the podcast versus like where you are now with Fit?
Angie Colee (04:22):
I know it's bizarre. Most of the people that I talk to these days are people that I'm just meeting for the first time because they're, they're pitching me like they found the show. Uh, they found my, my ideal guest manifesto and the application and they're, they're telling me why they should be on the show versus me having to say, Hey, we, I need guests, would you come on the show? Um, and
Brian McCarthy (04:42):
These are like people with PR firms and too. Yes. Like reaching out to you. It's like
Angie Colee (04:47):
Yeah, it's the next evolution. Like we're developing relationships with some of these PR people who are sending us repeat guests. Yeah. And then we get to tell them about our mission and the kind of people that we're looking for and they go out and find their people that fit that. And I'm like, yes, this is brilliant. Yeah. Um, so I just get to show up in rants and then the production takes care of itself cuz we've built the systems around that. And then everything that I used to wig out and freak out over is largely systematized to the point where I just show up and talk and then it all goes live and it's wonderful <laugh>.
Brian McCarthy (05:18):
Yeah. I look forward to the, when you sell that as a product, <laugh>, that sounds freaking great.
Angie Colee (05:24):
<laugh>. I do. And props to my, uh, former assistant Ashley, who is a genius. Uh, but she set up like this whole production process that just, I handed off to my new assistant and everything keeps rolling between my editor and my writer and it goes live. It's wonderful. Thank you. I never could have conceived of any of this until I got started and got overwhelmed by all of it though. <laugh>.
Brian McCarthy (05:46):
Yeah. Yeah. It's always that, like the, those earliest bits are just the hardest.
Angie Colee (05:52):
Right. And when you get stuck in that, like planning and the, the getting ready to get ready, ready face, I like to call it where it's like,
Brian McCarthy (05:59):
Yeah. Yeah. <laugh>, that was the first, my first year as a copywriter getting ready to get ready. All copywriters especially get stuck in that phrase. We're like, all right, once I do four more courses and hand write 10,000 more ads, then I'll be ready. That's like my number one advice to copywriters now is like, you are already way before you think you are.
Angie Colee (06:19):
Yes. Oh my gosh. That's my biggest thing when I'm coaching people too. Uh, and, and in fact a lot of the folks that I'm coaching, they have some significant life experience. Like they've been in the job force for 10 years or more by the time they decide they wanna do, uh, anything entrepreneurial. And I wind up talking to them and being like, why do you think that you're a beginner at this? Oh, well I haven't had a client before. Well, yes, you're true at business. And I, and I understand that the skills development is something that needs to happen, but are you a beginner at this particular skill? Because it doesn't sound like it based on what I'm hearing.
Brian McCarthy (06:55):
Yeah. That goes, uh, that's the other thing I've developed, uh, or I've seen a lot in coaching is yeah, just how bad people are at getting, giving themselves credit for things. Yes. They're really good at giving other people credit and uh, yeah. They'll just, they'll downplay their accomplishments, downplay their abilities so much. I think there's a certain type of person that doesn't, and then that makes sure everyone else not wants to even more. Cause it's like, well, either I've gotta downplay myself or I'm like that and mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So I'm just gonna be like outrageously uh, I dunno if humble's the right word because being humble is great, but like Yeah. It's kind of downplaying their own accomplishments. There's
Angie Colee (07:37):
A point where being humble is detrimental and I don't know, I always thought of it as kind of a virtue, but now that I'm working with a new business partner, I've been working with you for a couple of years. Yeah. Hey, I don't know, I'm kind of getting the message loud and clear from my network and my most trusted friends and colleagues that you need to be talking about what you do with pride and joy and enthusiasm and that there's nothing wrong with that. Like, don't wait for other people to dig up all of the good about you and be like, well, I went out of my way to find all the great things about you, <laugh>. Yeah. That's not really the way it works.
Brian McCarthy (08:10):
<laugh>. Yeah. That's, that's what I've been like more focused on. Um, like just doing for myself. Like, just even just emailing my list of um, focusing more on like the breakthroughs my clients are having that I having and just the like, the fun I have writing that stuff. Yes. Um, yeah, it kinda like, it, it just like continuously like it's cool cause it continuously like is a little like, oh yeah, no, you're good at this. <laugh> gives you that kind of a thing. Um, and, and like helping see like how needed it is. Like that's, uh, you know, creating content has just been so fun for Yeah. Helping me stay in touch with the fun, uh, and like, uh, stay in touch with like how important like this kind of work out of that seems a little like, you don't smoke up my now being like, this work is so important, but you know what, it's <laugh>. Cause otherwise often that's, people just end up running into the same kind of roadblocks over and over. Um, and that's usually just cuz of the, the mindset stuff wasn't addressed properly. Mm-hmm.
Angie Colee (09:12):
<affirmative>. Well, and we were, I was talking about this in one of my mastermind groups actually this very morning mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Cause they were talking about another business group that we all know that has kind of three different tiers based on where people are at at their business. And obviously the largest tier is the, the folks that are brand new. But then there are folks that are consistent six figures and one a scale. And then there are figure people that are like hitting seven figures and beyond and really wanna just like, uh, work on their legacy. Sure. <laugh> and my my friend was joking that like, there, there needs to be a fourth tier and it needs to be the pre beginner tier. And that one should probably be the narrative, the story, the mindset tier. Like get all your right in your head.
Brian McCarthy (09:56):
Yeah. <laugh>, it's, that's, that's like I've got some, uh, one of my big, uh, clients that I was doing like copy and marketing stuff for that's like what, like they're in the parenting market and that's what so much their stuff has turned into mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Cause it's like, and even like their app pro, it's like we tricked you into like, this is actually a personal development program hugely <laugh>, because not nothing's gonna work until you stop beating yourself up so much until you stop having such a negative worldview until like you can get your mindset to see things differently. To start to like get out of the, the negative spiral and like feeling like crap is just constantly piled on you. Like, you're gonna get that before we can do anything. Right. And then that becomes such, and like people are very hesitant to hesitant to that. Um, cuz it's such a like, natural thing to think that our problems are all external and that it's always mm-hmm. <affirmative>
Brian McCarthy (10:56):
Like, well I I don't need to change. They need to change. I don't even different, my boss needs to be different. Like, and it's like, yeah, that's all part of it. Um, but like, even like the studies around happiness of showing that it's like, okay, your external circumstances are like, you know, a certain percent and then the bigger part is just how you like your relationship to those circumstances, how you view that. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, how you take, uh, take in information and think about it because you can make a pitiful, pretty awesome life. Pretty miserable with, uh, just by your perspective and attitude and how you choose to take in information.
Angie Colee (11:32):
Oh yeah. And this can get a little bit meta too, right. Cuz you are, or my coach and I can't tell for everybody listening, uh, Brian can, can verify this. I can't state how many times it is uncountable how many times that I have been ruminating on something, just digging in and really wallowing and some line of anxious thoughts or fears. And as soon as I say it out loud to Brian, I hear how ridiculous it's <laugh>. And this concept is fascinating to me because it made perfect sense while it was bouncing around in between my ears. Yeah. Just getting louder and louder and louder and amplifying itself. Yeah. And as soon as I said it out loud to another human being, I'm like, that's ridiculous. How did that make sense five seconds ago? <laugh>? What? Yeah. So I've taken to calling that, um, like shining a spotlight on the shame. Yeah. Because the shadows can't take over things when you turn on the lights. Right?
Brian McCarthy (12:28):
Yep. Yeah, yeah. Shame, shame can't live in the light or whatever that's saying is. Um, yeah. And like that's, that's like such on the importance of like even just having someone to talk with your about. Yes. So that you're not just stuck in that loop like, you know, so many freelancers, entrepreneurs or whatever. It's like, you know, if you're at the, you're in the mastermind and there's still a little bit of like posturing of like, everything's going great. I got, I can't let everyone see how much I'm really falling apart here. Oh gosh. Um, uh, geez, there was something else I was, I, let's go some other direction with that as well. Um, my thought just disappeared from my brain.
Angie Colee (13:07):
<laugh> all good. We'll probably fight
Brian McCarthy (13:10):
It somewhere with that. And then the train just left before I could hop on.
Angie Colee (13:15):
No, I remember that, uh, the posturing, because I fell prey to that pretty early in my entrepreneurial career. It's, you know, I call, I fell in with what I call the dick swinging crowd. The folks that are constantly bragging and this is the one right way to do things and cross
Brian McCarthy (13:30):
Fun <laugh>
Angie Colee (13:32):
I call now I call 'em the marketers and I know there are a lot of people that wig out at the idea of a. But if you think about it, a is literally a product that solves a problem that doesn't actually exist. And people <laugh> that know nothing about the problem that they're trying to solve. Yeah. <laugh>. So that's like the epitome of a right there. Yeah. Uh, I'm gonna write a book about that. The, the anti marketer someday. But uh, you know, I, I fell into that and I had to make it seem like I was better than I was. Yeah. And I couldn't share any weaknesses cuz I was afraid they were gonna pick me apart. But the irony of ironies was that years later when I found my, like my an abusive relationship falling apart had come to a mastermind fully prepared to posture and like, here's what's going great, here's a win I had this week, here's a business challenge. And as soon as I opened my mouth, the words came out and it was like, I think my relationship is falling apart and I really don't know what to do. And then I was like, did I just say that?
Brian McCarthy (14:27):
Yeah.
Angie Colee (14:27):
Jesus. And then the spark <laugh>.
Brian McCarthy (14:30):
Yeah. And that's, uh, I, that touches on and like, I just remembered where I was going with that red before it fell apart. <laugh>, go for it. Uh, like yeah, the importance of just like having people to talk to about that stuff because like Yes. Yeah. At, at your mastermind, if you're maybe unsure about it or you know, they're not <laugh> if like that, if your breakup is what's holding you down, then like that can be a pretty dicey to bring it up there. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> or like, you know, if you've, yeah, you've got friends and family, but a lot of times people are like, you know, my wife doesn't want me hear me just talk about how stressed I am with work all the time. Like, that's not helping the relationship if it is great. Um, but I just know a lot of people either don't feel comfortable with it or like aren't able to get everything out.
Brian McCarthy (15:13):
Cause they don't wanna like burden their friends or their wives or whoever, uh mm-hmm. <affirmative> with their stuff. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So I was thinking like even before I got into the, like the coaching stuff, I even used to just do a men's group where was just like once a week or every two weeks. Uh, it's, it sounded so weird at the time, this is back when I was just like, what dude's talking about feelings? Or what the heck is that <laugh>? Um, gross <laugh>. Uh, but like, it was, it was so like, like I remember going there one time and I started, like, I had recently got like, Capen threw a breakup and then, and I thought I was over it and I thought it was fine and then they were like, you know, everyone gets like 15 minutes just, just talk about whatever mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And so I had my 15 minutes and I'm like, I don't really know what I have to talk about.
Brian McCarthy (16:00):
I'm like, I'm fine. Everything's going great by fif after 15 minutes I'm crying and just being like, oh, like I didn't realize how much this still hurt and I kind regret it and all this stuff. And um, yeah. So it's like, and it's so much like that stuff can just kind of like stay there like that could have mm-hmm. <affirmative> like luckily I had this kind of like group where I'm like that like everything is fair game and it's, you know, no one's gonna judge you or tell you to do like that. You should like tell you what you should have done. Like people are just gonna listen and accept and just be like, yeah man sucks. Like <laugh>. Yep. That's sometimes that's just all the therapy or whatever you need is just someone else to nod their head and be like, yeah. So I mean, yeah. That's just uh, a pitch for everyone's. Have people that you talk to
Angie Colee (16:54):
<laugh> Yes.
Brian McCarthy (16:56):
Don't people that you talk to struggle through the alone. There's lots of avenues for uh, getting, you know, stuff. So they're not bumping around either in your head consciously like you were having before or even subconsciously without you even realizing it. It's just this problem that's still there that you don't realize until you're 15 minutes into talking about <laugh>. Yeah. <laugh> you can break up.
Angie Colee (17:18):
Well I think that's funny too because like of course I had in my head before I made that announcement randomly to my mastermind that, you know, I'm fine, this is fine. I don't need to tell them everything that's going on. They probably don't wanna hear it. Right. Does Yeah. Just that story. Totally. And I think some part of me knew that that was a safe space because for the year or two prior, nice, I had been moving toward jetting, jettisoning, the, uh, bros. And the folks that I didn't feel safe around and actively surrounding myself with people who were supportive. And I know I had seen people in the group talking about, you know, I've got this struggle or that struggle that I'm dealing with and it's making business kind of hard right now. So I think instinctively on some level I knew that this was a place where I could tell them this is my reality right now.
Angie Colee (18:00):
And nobody would judge. And I think what really surprised me was like, they, they let me have that space. They let me get it all out. And then every single person in that group reached out to me privately and were was like, I'm sorry that you're going through this. Um, you are an amazing person. You deserve all the great things in life. Thank you for sharing that with me. And then I started to realize, cuz what what turned me down this path in terms of a thought process was when you mentioned like, we don't wanna burden people with how we're feeling. Yeah. And yeah, there are some people out there that really can't handle it and they see other people like sharing feelings as a burden. But I think the more well-versed and, and make no mistake, I think there's a movement right now toward, uh, mental health, taking care of yourself, shining a light on these anxiety spirals and Yep. Seeking help when you need it. Not suffering in shame and silence. Um, so yeah, I mean, for you guys that wanna do the stoic thing, y'all need to form a mastermind. I guess. I like y'all can sit there and be silent and tough together.
Brian McCarthy (19:00):
<laugh>, that's what I did for 25 years. That led to a lot of crying in a lot of workshops, <laugh>.
Angie Colee (19:06):
And you're so right about that being buried in really weird ways. Cuz I know on our talk last week, I'm sitting here like, look at this thing that we want and look at this thing that we sold and I'm so excited about what we're building. And then you asked me a question and I answered, and both of us realized at the same time, there's some deep there. Do we wanna talk about that? And I was like, I don't know if I wanna talk about that. That's some rough feelings. And then we spent like 15 minutes of the call that I fully anticipated would be, yeah, we're gonna celebrate the outta this entire call and talk about all the wins and all the progress you've made. And then we spent like 15 minutes celebrating and 45 minutes with me like crying and going, I was really disappointed with this one thing that happens and everything else rocks. But that other thing made me cry and it sucks.
Brian McCarthy (19:50):
Yeah. Yeah. And that's like, I just kind of realized how much in the same business we are mm-hmm. <affirmative> of like yeah. All the like, nice shiny, like success, like things going great stuff. Um, but it's like, oh yeah. Like, oh, your business is great and your relationships are falling apart. Like, then what's the, then what are we doing all this for? You know? Yes. Um, just like yeah, being able to look at all, like everything that's going on with a person and their business and um, like yeah. It all matters. And that I think just that has gotten lost a lot with like, well mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I don't about lost a lot, but Yeah. Like again, how like ev people just focus on the external stuff of Yeah. And thinking that we'll then solve problems.
Angie Colee (20:36):
Well and I think, but you know, we, I've heard people talk about generations gone by and how business was run and, and stuff like that. But I think back then there were a lot of people that were just suffering and silence because that was the way that you did things. Yeah. And you didn't share all of this private personal stuff. I do remember that in the corporate office once where, uh, you know, I, I think I'd had a fight with my partner at the time and I didn't sleep much and I came in the next day and I was being a little bit attitude. Noel my boss pulled me aside and he is like, yeah, you, you can't do that. And I was like, here's what's going on. And he goes, y'all millennials, y'all just like overshare <laugh>. I don't need to know Yeah. What, what's happening in your personal life? And I was like, well, I mean it's context as to why I'm behaving this way. I don't, it's just something I, I'm compell to share <laugh>
Brian McCarthy (21:23):
So a different generation and like Yeah. I mean that's, uh, I, I don't know like that thing of just like shut this half of yourself off mm-hmm. <affirmative> to then go into work like, okay, some people are gonna do it. Some people it works with. It's also really <laugh>. Like, it's, it's really hard to not have, uh, things kind of, you know, if things are really bad at home, like to completely shut that off and not saying like necessarily there can be a lot of like, ways to deal with it and to be able to um, you know, be able to get through the workday and everything. But I don't know this idea that to to just like acts like that doesn't, that there is no impact is Yeah. I, I think is probably pretty few people that can actually like, compartmentalize that well and strongly for a long period of time.
Angie Colee (22:11):
Yeah. And I think the long period of time is the key word there. Cuz I can compartmentalize pretty well. Yeah. But I don't like to do that for the long term. Like it's gonna leak over eventually. Yeah. And I love this movement toward like, holistically treating things, uh, you know, diet, exercise regulation, mental health therapy, like all of it. Not just fixing one part, realizing all of this is interconnected personal life and business. You know, somebody recommended a show to me recently that I've been meaning to check out that actually deals with this concept, it's called Severance. I think it's an HBO show. Yeah. And that whole Okay, cool. You've seen it so you probably know even more than like
Brian McCarthy (22:49):
Dark kinda
Angie Colee (22:51):
<laugh> dark comedy,
Brian McCarthy (22:52):
Sad, miserable way.
Angie Colee (22:54):
<laugh>. Isn't that the, the whole premise of that show is basically that they have some sort of like implant or technology that literally lets you turn off your home life when you get to work Yeah. And turn off your work life when you get to home, like in your brain. That is mildly terrifying.
Brian McCarthy (23:07):
Yeah. No thanks.
Angie Colee (23:09):
<laugh> being half a person at work, just showing up and, and being a robot <laugh>. Yeah. Oh. Why would you do that to yourself? Ugh. All right.
Brian McCarthy (23:18):
I should, that got me. I I had a, a thought <laugh>. Yes. If you wanted to talk about this. Cause we talked about like, um, just like the different types of coaching. Like there's the coaching that leaves you feeling like the good and inspired and stuff like that. And then thinking we've both had instances of coaching where you get off and you're just like, this, I think just made things worse.
Angie Colee (23:43):
<laugh>. Yes. Or you feel like about yourself. Like you've been doing everything wrong. Yeah. And that this person that you were like, well I thought I was paying you to support me and, and help me. And Yeah. I don't need you to blow smoke up my about You're will, you're brilliant, you're wonderful. Yeah. But I would also like to not feel worse about myself when we get done with our calls, you know? Yeah.
Brian McCarthy (24:05):
I had, I had two distinct experiences. So I, I was working with two different coaches this like five years ago or so. Uh, they're both like half business, half life coaches, former therapist, all this stuff. Um, and like one, one, like anytime I kind of brought up problems, he was very like empathetic and just kind of like, just sort of was just like, they had this like, you're doing the best you can kind of attitude mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And, um, there, it, it wasn't like, you know, oh, poor you or Yeah. Everything, everyone's like doing so wrong or whatever. It was more just like validating feelings of like Yeah, I can understand. Yeah. That'd be how, yeah. I get that. And then I had another coach who would like for bring stuff up a lot. Uh, like I, I might come with like the same problem three weeks in a row and then I'm like, oh, I'm frustrated that I can't get through this problem.
Brian McCarthy (24:58):
And he is just like, yeah, well why, why can't you get through it? Like, um, just like, just get through it already. Like that kind of an attitude. Oh man. <laugh>. And it was so the opposite cuz like, I just felt like I was having the same kind of conversation week after week. And he is just like, well, yeah, like, well you're, you're like more bummed out, but what the other, like, these other times you were really excited and enjoying life and like why? Where's that version of you? Why can't you just be that more all the time? And I'm like, I don't know. Like that's why I'm here. They like, what are we doing? So I
Angie Colee (25:31):
Know it was,
Brian McCarthy (25:32):
It was a lot of like the coach like kind of like, oh, I like seeing you where you could be. And I think that it's like, for me that was like, I don't know, for some people that can be really inspiring and motivating for me it was just like a constantly feeling like, okay, I'm not good enough. Whereas once when I had that coach that was like just kind of more meeting me where I was at, I guess where it's, um, yeah, just like, just empathizing and validating the feelings. It's like, okay, now those feelings don't bother me so much and now I can start to like create a plan for figure out next steps to, you know, try to get more of this other stuff that I want. So it was like, yeah. And I bring that up just cause I think that's how a, you know, a lot of people might get coaches or work with coaches and maybe they only experience one. Like they don't kind of realize that other version, the kinder version that I certainly prefer a whole lot. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> is available as well. Like, um, I think there's just Yeah. You know, every different coaches have their different strategies or methods or whatever. Um, yeah. I certainly prefer and find to be far more helpful
Angie Colee (26:47):
Yeah. With the calm ones for sure. I know, um, it, it's interesting to me because I think at some point, like I got frustrated by that kind of coaching too that just didn't make me feel good afterwards and I felt like I was doing something wrong. And the more, and I've been studying coaching actively, not only because I want to be a better coach and get results for my clients that I'm working with, but I'm also unpacking this idea that my way is the right way. And that just because I can't see something the way somebody else can doesn't mean that it's not possible. And I've really been, you know, on this idea for like the last year of I refuse to be the reason that somebody gives up on themselves. Yeah. And the sad thing about that coach that makes you feel bad about yourself is I think eight or nine times outta 10, they genuinely do give a about you and they do want you to succeed and they care about you a lot. Yeah. And also they're kind of stuck in their idea of like, I can just will it, I can just show you the way, if you could just do it my way. Uh, this is, and then a little bit, I heard frustration creeping in with that. Like, well, you're, you're so happy. Go lucky and great over here. Just be more that subtext. Be ashamed of how you are now
Brian McCarthy (28:02):
<laugh>. Yeah. That means who you are now is not good enough. So be more of the happy person that I've, that people would like more.
Angie Colee (28:11):
Oh sure. Let me just talk, lemme go over here
Brian McCarthy (28:13):
And flip the lights. I'm supposed to do that. Yeah. <laugh>. Yeah. It's like one of those people who are like, oh, I don't know, I'm set. We'll just, have you tried just not being sad. Oh, you're not in this relationship. How about you just get over it then? Like, yeah, okay. Go yourself. Thanks
Angie Colee (28:26):
<laugh>. Yeah. Gosh, I love that. Whoa man. Um,
Brian McCarthy (28:30):
Just live, laugh, love. Okay <laugh>, just breathe. Everything's great.
Angie Colee (28:34):
<laugh>, this makes me happy because I think it ties in perfectly to what we were talking about right before we hit record with like building your business your own way. Yeah. And so like circle back to the beginning where we were talking about rereading this toxic corporate environment because it's all you ever knew. Yeah. But I think the coolest thing about going out on my own has been, and I've talked about this on the show before I wanted to do this digital nomad thing, I wanted to do this adventure thing and then I had in the back of my mind that, okay, well, but it's gotta be business as usual for now until, until I've saved up enough money, until I've built up enough cache and, you know, authority to be able to do this. And what I discovered was, and this works for me, I won't proclaim that it works for everybody, but I just kind of had to go out there and do it and figure out how to make it work versus coming up with a plan that I would implement someday. Like
Brian McCarthy (29:26):
That's, that's the only way to do it. Yeah. <laugh>, it's like that's the, it just comes down to it. Um, like to build your business your way is just comes down to like, you just gotta get out there and get punched in the face a few times. <laugh> your original plan's not gonna, your original plan probably won't work. Nope. Uh, you the plan that like the step-by-step system you learned will help you in certain areas, but a certain, but you know, that's, you're building someone else's kind of model of a bills business for you to really get things your way. It's, you're gonna at some point have to do something that's unique because that's what you are and that's how your business is gonna be. And that's only gonna Yeah. Like you've gotta do, eventually you're gonna have to do something unique and different and it's probably not gonna work out the first time. Mm-hmm.
Angie Colee (30:17):
<affirmative>. Well and I love that you brought up unique and different cuz especially in the marketing worlds, I think that gets conflated with I have to invent something that has never been heard of or discovered before in the history of man Yeah. <laugh>. And that's not necessarily true by unique. It could be a new take on a very standard, very well-recognized system. Yeah. It could be a faster way to do it, it could be a funkier way to do it. It could be just you incorporating your personality into the way this is done or sharing your systems. Yeah. Totally. Like unique doesn't necessarily mean, uh, you're Einstein or Edison here, but
Brian McCarthy (30:53):
They'll build monuments to your glory for centuries to come.
Angie Colee (30:57):
Oh my gosh. I, I had that. I operated under that fraudulent belief for so long just thinking that I couldn't make it, I couldn't step out into the spotlight until I had that 100% unique thing. Yeah. And the irony to me is discovering all of these years later how bass ackwards I had it. Yeah. Where it was like, go out and do the thing and get really good at it and after a while something perfect is gonna come up. I know that you love this cuz we just started talking about this recently, but I've got a new business partner. We've been working together for three months and I do remember this one day we had hashed out all of our content and all of our training and what we were gonna do and I think we were calling it the launch diagnostic and the launch prescription and she was like, well we can't use launch prescription cuz this other person does like a marketing prescription thing.
Angie Colee (31:44):
And and like the copy doctor or, so I can't remember exactly what it was, but it was something along that medical diagnosis and and prescription thing. Yeah. And I was like, yeah, you're right. And I don't wanna go down that like I'd love to do something more fun. And she goes, wait, wait a minutes of you're gonna love this theme park something around a theme park. Cuz she and I are both rollercoaster nerds and giant like Disney nerds. Yeah. Um, and it eventually worked out to where we started calling our planning process a theme park schematic. And everybody <laugh> does what your face just did. When I say it's a theme park schematic, cuz if you've been to a theme park, you can picture one in your mind and you know where all these different attractions are and they, they don't necessarily seem related at the big picture glance, but when you get in there, it all just makes sense and it all connects together and it's so much fun. And we're like, yeah, we're such fun-loving people and we like playing hooky to go to parks and we like, uh, just getting on random Disney rants, which we did on our mutual friend Jimmy Par this morning, <laugh>,
Brian McCarthy (32:46):
Ah, just
Angie Colee (32:47):
Fact team Disney rants about the current cd C e O. Um, we're not gonna go down that trail here, but
Brian McCarthy (32:55):
<laugh>
Angie Colee (32:56):
People that know us get exactly what we're saying and we got to embrace the fun thing that we love and totally build in a, a point where at some point I think I'm fully gonna be able to deduct a trip to Disney World and teach people stuff.
Brian McCarthy (33:17):
It'll be a goal baby business expense. That is why we're doing this.
Angie Colee (33:21):
Yes. You know, I always joked about that when I started my business. Like the only reason that I'm starting my business is to figure out a way to expense like, uh, random retreats in exotic places in the world. Um, funny how close that is to actually coming true right now. It actually has come
Brian McCarthy (33:37):
True for
Angie Colee (33:37):
One of my retreats. <laugh>, be careful what you joke about. It might actually become your reality.
Brian McCarthy (33:42):
Yeah. I mean, again, last year, this time we're talking about launching a podcast, <laugh>. Mm-hmm.
Angie Colee (33:47):
<affirmative>. No kidding, kidding. And we did our case study for you a while ago and it was funny to me because that that circles back nicely to what you were talking about with not really acknowledging the progress that we've made in the successes that we've had. Cause I know that you, you asked me to record this testimonial with you, this case study, and we sat down and then you like hit me in the face with this list of things I've done in the last
Brian McCarthy (34:10):
Two years. Maybe I still have it.
Angie Colee (34:12):
And then I was like, wait. You're right. Oh wow. I've done a lot of things, but here I am just like looking at this thing ahead of me and getting frustrated by what feels like stalled out progress and a little bit of a backslide. And I'm going, I am a piece of crap. Look at how I can't get this thing in front of me that, and like, just turn around and look at all of the things behind you and go, oh, okay, okay. Yeah. It'll get done
Brian McCarthy (34:37):
<laugh>. Yeah. And take some credit for you did that instead. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Oh, I got lucky. I'll ask, is that other person, like, nah, well, what mm-hmm. <affirmative> what have you contributed to that happening?
Angie Colee (34:45):
Thankfully for me, I get really defensive and aggravated when someone calls me lucky. And so like, I don't call myself lucky either because that's one instance where I can acknowledge and maybe I just need to borrow that for myself when I talk to myself too. But when somebody tells me, well, you're lucky and you have all of these advantages. And I'm like, let's not go there
Brian McCarthy (35:06):
<laugh>.
Angie Colee (35:06):
Let's talk about all of the struggle and the hard work and the risks and the bets that I took on myself that got me to this place. Luck doesn't have a bit of thing to do with it. Timing maybe, but luck. No,
Brian McCarthy (35:18):
I, I remember sleeping in my car thinking, oh, I'm so lucky, <laugh>. Yes. Everything.
Angie Colee (35:23):
This is fantastic.
Brian McCarthy (35:24):
Just falling into place for me. Mm-hmm.
Angie Colee (35:26):
<affirmative>. Oh man. I love that. And that ties into something nicely that we were talking about again before the conversation, which was like motivation. Because of course we're talking about all of this happy go-lucky stuff and we're talking about joy and these things that have got us super excited. But then the flip side of the coin is when you know you've got something good and you just don't feel like doing
Speaker 4 (35:47):
<laugh> anything <laugh>.
Brian McCarthy (35:50):
Yeah. I had that, I was doing that for like, uh, especially a year ago. Like basically yeah. When I like started building up this coaching business more or I had the idea to, but I was also very comfortable. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I was working like three or four hours a day. The money was nice. I had my coaching clients, I had my marketing clients and I'm just like,
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Eh,
Brian McCarthy (36:16):
I could put in more work or I could go sit on the patio and journal and play guitar and do some more improv comedy and all these other things. So I did all those other things and it was just like several months of just like, should I be working harder?
Speaker 4 (36:37):
<laugh>?
Brian McCarthy (36:37):
And I was always trying to tease out like, okay, is this secretly fear that's holding me back? Like, okay, fear that like, you know, it's not gonna work or whatever other stuff's going on. Um, so, uh, so like, why don't even try Or is it, or like, cuz I'd also like gotten away from like me this drive to like, uh, so much of what I used to be driven by was like, uh, comparing myself to others. Like, oh. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, Jimmy parents might be more successful than me. Can't let that happen.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
<laugh>, <laugh>.
Brian McCarthy (37:09):
You know, that kinda. And like, so once I felt like, you know, I did the work to kind of get like, once I recognized that, uh, like through coaching and help and I kinda, um, like let go of that a bit and then I didn't have that as a driver. And then I'm like, you know, I got this pretty like comfortable, nice, enjoyable life and I'm just like, can, is that enough? Can that be enough? Can I just be like, what's wrong with if I just go through my days like this? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So that's what I did and I just kind of like really indulge in it. And again, like, I also, when that first started, actually started more than a year ago when that first started, I had a coach that was like, like after maybe two months of me just kind of mucking about, he was like, okay, that's enough. Let take time for you to do more. And I was like, <laugh>
Speaker 4 (37:53):
Is it
Brian McCarthy (37:53):
No. Like how do you know when, like when it's, when I'm done? Like yes. I don't know what's like maybe like, like lessons I need to be learning here. What's like maybe what kind of things like benefits this is having that I don't even know about. Like, I'm just supposed to just jump back onto the like Western society, be productive and get done all the time. <laugh>, because you dubbed it so like what a what mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, so yeah,
Angie Colee (38:27):
I just had this great visual of the productivity wagon as like an Oregon trail thing and like you tried to cross the river and you, your wagon tipped over and everybody died. <laugh> don't get on the productivity wagon. Yeah. It's doomed.
Brian McCarthy (38:41):
Like I, and there's there, you know, there's so much for, I actually had a client that I loved him about this. Um, he came to me and like, he was looking, he was a CEO looking to become Oh. Says my speaker did something, whatever. Um, so
Angie Colee (38:55):
I can hear you. You're fine.
Brian McCarthy (38:56):
Okay, cool. <laugh>. But, uh, I had this guy that was like, yes, CEO moving on to become, uh, trying to like start his own, uh, like liquor business. And he was like, he was just so not into like, this isn't about like making the fastest, hardest, biggest transformation. He's like, I understand that. Like things kind of evolve at their own pace. Like mm-hmm. <affirmative> nature has its own, like you can't Russia tree a grill. You know, you just kinda let things evolve. And so he was looking for help to like, uh, do like build his business that way of like, look, I wanna build my business, but I also, you know, family's super important, all this other stuff. Um, and you know, he was able to do it and he, like his business is like kicking right now. He is doing this like Yeah. Mixed cocktail. Yeah. You had some of his mixed cocktails.
Angie Colee (39:41):
That's what I was gonna say. Was that, was that him that did the Oh, midnight in Manhattan.
Brian McCarthy (39:45):
Yeah. Uncle Tim's cocktails Uncle tims.com. Uh, yes. Yes. Probably sell stuff online. It's delightful. Um, yes. We
Angie Colee (39:53):
Had a glass when I was last week. Well we had two glasses on your patio last week when I was in Denver. And, uh, well done Tim, well done Uncle Tim. Uh, that was the tiniest I have been in a while on trains <laugh>, but it was a fun
Brian McCarthy (40:07):
Night that did the job. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. So anyway, like, like just an idea of like, yeah. Sometimes like, like things just allowing things to go at their own pace and we like this, our world just glorifies the, you know, make a million dollars in six months and all this stuff. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and it's like, okay. And even if you do that, it's like, okay, but do you have the structures to like what, what was the cost of that <laugh>? How, like what did that do for relationships for your personal life, for your personal health? What were the, the kinda like hidden costs or, um, oh, once again I lost track of where I was going.
Angie Colee (40:47):
<laugh>. No, I like that. That I had a client once that was, uh, he was a, a big name in the fi personal finance industry. Yeah. When he finally released a course sharing what he learned with people, one of the things that he communicated with them was like to what ends at what cost? Yeah. He was like, so I was well like hyperfocused on this, uh, fire movement, uh, financial independence, retire early fire, um, and like basically burned a lot of bridges and like, was so hyper focused on I have to hit this number goal that I lost sight of what really matters. And at the end of the day, if you're sitting alone in your mansion with your millions of dollars and nobody to share it with, it still feels kind of. You know, like money can, money can buy you things that will bring you to happiness.
Angie Colee (41:35):
Yeah. But money cannot actually buy you happiness. You have to do that work yourself. And I think that's important. And you said something else that I thought was super cool and something I'm coming to realize is more and more true as time goes on. Uh, I used to think everything happened for a reason. I don't believe that anymore. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I think everything happens in its own time and that you usually stay in a place repeating the same lessons over and over again until you've learned what you need to get unstuck and keep moving forward. Yeah. Um, and like I, I was telling somebody the other day how bizarre it is that I'm in this situation. Like, if, if that relationship had worked out with my last partner, would I have a podcast right now? Would I have a business partner right now? Would I be doing this work?
Angie Colee (42:17):
I honestly don't know, but I can look backward and say when I hit the road and then I happen to go to Asheville and meet the woman who would now become my business partner. And like I can trace all of the steps to where this one bad thing happened in my life, but it kind of set me off down this path that led to all of these really awesome things happening. Yeah. That might not have otherwise happened. Everything in its own time, man. And sometimes you just don't understand it until you're looking backward and going, I did
Brian McCarthy (42:44):
Do that. Yeah. <laugh> certainly it makes perfect sense. And then things could only have gone that way. Yep. But yeah, I just, I just think that's like, uh, that can just like, yeah, I was talking about my client kind of having that perspective and I was like, like that was helpful for me to hear too. Cause I was like, yeah, that's, that is something I kind of wanted more of and to do more. And like, yeah, when you start to get frustrated, you're not doing enough for, you're not, you're not successful faster enough. Um, and you can start to like, play with that question of like, like could like maybe this is actually right where I need to be. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, could this be actually the, the right spot for me? Um, and you know, your, your chances are you'll look back on it probably differently on how you, uh, feel about it than their current state of like, I'm not doing enough, enough failure and all that kind of stuff that kind of creeps in mm-hmm.
Angie Colee (43:35):
<affirmative>. Well, and I'm not giving away the, the whole uh, experience, the whole enchilada here, but one of my favorite questions that you asked me that I love to hate in our conversations is when you ask me, okay, so like, what are all the ways that this could be a good thing for you? Whatever you're doing, what are all the ways that this could be a bad thing for you? And then I have to think about it.
Brian McCarthy (43:56):
That's how you know why you're repeating the patterns. Yes. Cause everyone thinks like, oh, what's wrong with me? I'm doing this thing over and over. It's like, yeah, cuz you're getting a benefit from it.
Angie Colee (44:06):
<laugh>. Yes. And I think that was the most surprising thing that like when I have to sit there and actually in silence usually cuz you're good at that <laugh> like making me think about my own stuff, <laugh>. And I have to sit there and go, oh yeah, actually I could see how this has been beneficial and this has been comfortable and this has served me well in the past when I was in different circumstances. But now those circumstances have changed and I need to, to change my behavior accordingly. And then I can look at it from the flip side of the coin and be like, okay, if I keep doing this comfortable behavior, what is the impact on all my goals for the future and how I'm going to feel about myself if I don't make any changes and things like that. Yeah. So, oh, all of this to say, Brian is an amazing coach and you, you should hire him, but if you take him away from me, I will fight you. <laugh>. Don't do it. Um, I fully credit and I, you know, I didn't intend for this episode to be like all about life coaching, but I freaking love that it became about this because coaching is such a huge, like, I don't wanna say popup, popup is not the right word, but it's, it's a surging industry and there are a lot of folks entering it that have a lot of experience maybe with a particular skill or area, but not necessarily as coaches. And yeah, I think it's important to,
Brian McCarthy (45:22):
It's a lot of advice givers.
Angie Colee (45:24):
Yes. There's a lot of advice givers. And the funny thing is that the more I learn about coaching, the more I'm learning about, it's not advice that matters. Yeah. It's about helping the person that you're coaching to understand that they already have the answers and sometimes you just gotta dig through all the to find it. Um, but they're gonna have much more success. And I've seen this with my own students too, as, as I've grown as a coach, um, they're gonna have much more success and much more satisfaction if they're the ones coming up with the answers and they're not just living life according to Angie because Angie has decided this is the way
Brian McCarthy (45:57):
<laugh> Yeah. That's, it's totally huge. And also so important cuz you're helping people building the muscle of listening to themselves and trusting themselves. Yes. So then they're not constantly, like, they don't even need to, like my, I I like working myself out of a job where it's like I, yes, people just can I, I mean there, there's always good to have outside perspective, but more and more um, people just being able to trust their own instincts and trust and listen to themselves and follow that instead of, you know, all the noise out there. Um, like that's, that's a huge part of like, the angle of what I do, like why I do the coaching. It's, you know, I had big issues with trusting myself, um mm-hmm. <affirmative> or earlier in life and then like that's changed so dramatically. And um, it's like, yeah, that's a big thing that I like to help people with because one, like once you trust yourself so much of the drama and stress and stuff just fades away cuz you're just like, yes. Before it's like, oh, what if this launch fails, you'll figure it out.
Angie Colee (46:59):
<laugh>. Yeah.
Brian McCarthy (47:00):
<laugh>, you know,
Angie Colee (47:01):
Who knew? Uh, you just gotta take a step forward and see what happens and then trust that you'll be able to figure it out from there. Oh, life
Brian McCarthy (47:09):
<laugh>. I actually, and I did wanted to circle back here just on that motivation part just to Yeah. Tie it up a little bit of like, yeah. So I had that kinda like, am I, should I be working harder? It's basically the question I was asking myself a lot. Um, and then things that kinda like helped change that a bit for me was like, one was just the time where I was like, okay, I've been asking myself should I be working harder for like, like months, like mm-hmm. <affirmative> like anytime things kind of na at me quietly, I'm like, there's something here. Yeah. Um, yeah, another bit was just, uh, was just kinda like looking at the different areas of my life. I'm like, all right, health's going pretty good. Relationship's good. All this stuff. I'm doing all these like, fun things. Improv, archery. Like I got a cool life going and there was still just like, Hmm, these are like, but I'm still kind of having these thoughts.
Brian McCarthy (47:51):
And then I kind of realized like the contribution area of life was like, ah, I could probably be doing more there. <laugh>. Yeah. So like, I was like, okay, I'm a little bit lacking. I'm asking this question, huh. Wonder if those two things are related. And then also like I at least, uh, you know, built the habit earlier this year. Cause I used to be terrible about that. Um, about like, uh, doing, uh, like promoting myself, emailing my list, that kind of stuff. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, built the habit to make myself do that. So I've been like emailing my list three times, uh, week, all year long and it's been great. And I've, I also just would like, pay attention to like what satisfies me, what makes me happy, what's not throughout the day and saw like, uh, how like in much I enjoyed those emails, like working with clients, going with my client wins.
Brian McCarthy (48:39):
Or even like today I worked on a, um, I, I put the fishing touches on a lead magnet on how to leave client work behind. And for copywriters, our copywriters can leave client work behind and get their own like coaching consulting businesses going, uh, which you can get at more McCarthy Mindset. What's my website? <laugh> McCarthy McCarthy mindset coaching.com/copywriters. Um, like, and even working on that, like I was having so much fun with it, and like, it's just like, anytime that works my business, I was like, wait, no, I am really enjoying. This was also another reminder of like, oh yeah, do more of the like, ha get more of that contribution and the like, uh, and that like satisfying feeling that comes from like working hard and doing, uh, just like getting stuff done. Like Yes. Oh yeah. That, that is like playing guitar on the patio is awesome. So is like knocking out a bunch of like videos and emails and stuff like that. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> can feel very satisfying too, especially when you see it as part of, uh, something bigger that you're working on or towards.
Angie Colee (49:43):
Yeah, that holistic life man. Yeah, like feeling lazy, uh, becoming one with the couch and enjoying a lot of Netflix feels good for a while, but ultimately it doesn't really make a well-rounded human experience like contribution and meaningfulness. Um, don't get me wrong, I love a good Netflix binge, but at some point I gotta get out there in the world and help somebody achieve something. Yeah.
Brian McCarthy (50:08):
<laugh> moderation like everything else.
Angie Colee (50:11):
<laugh>. Yep. Even moderation and moderation. I go to extreme sometimes.
Brian McCarthy (50:14):
<laugh>. Yeah. I just did a like little like Aspen, uh, labor Day weekend thing, and like, it was just very, let's just did archery and, uh, caught up on a bunch of shows and stuff and it was great and just got so like, ready to like, all right, let's get back to work. Baby <laugh>.
Angie Colee (50:29):
Mm-hmm. <affirmative> space is so important and I find it funny how often themes pop up in my life, but like, just last night I was meeting with art, uh, you, you know, Marcella, I met with her. It just serendipity. She happened to be in Kentucky. I drove down to hang out with her. Heck yeah. And a bunch of people last night, and we did this, uh, fearless fast ride exercise that she loves to do. Nice. And one of, and, and the topic of the night was joy, which mm-hmm. <affirmative> you would be familiar with because that is what flips me into my will of freedom. My, my essential nature is joy and I'm discovering that like when I lean into that joy and I stop judging it, and I think that, oh, business has to be serious, right? Recreating that old day job has to be serious.
Angie Colee (51:11):
Uh, when I lean into joy, I not only do my best work, I fire people up. Like the energy is contagious. They start feeling a lot more joyful and hopeful. Yeah. And joy is a good thing. And it's also, it, it's a clarifier for me because if I'm feeling pulled in two different directions, I can literally sit down and journal for a little while about, is one of these something I'm trying to avoid? Is one of these something that brings me joy? Should I be working more toward the thing that's joyful? How could I make that work to, it supports my business and helps people. Yeah. And, uh, yeah, joy is kind of like my, my dividing rod now as to which direction I should go. Beautiful. It's lovely.
Brian McCarthy (51:49):
It's lovely. That's so much better than trusting an email in your inbox saying, here's how to make $50,000 next month. <laugh>
Angie Colee (51:56):
So much better. So much better. And learning to trust yourself and your own intuition, priceless. Priceless. Yeah. So if you wanna learn more about Brian and how to have him coach you, as long as you don't steal him from me, where's the place that they need to go?
Brian McCarthy (52:10):
Uh, McCarthy Mindset coaching slash join is how you get on my email list. And you can also head to, if you're a copywriter, McCarthy mindset coaching.com/copywriters for that little, uh, guide on the basically three level high steps for how to break out a client work and get your own thing going.
Angie Colee (52:30):
And Brian, stuff works. I'm living proof you're listening to the podcast.
Brian McCarthy (52:35):
Hey,
Angie Colee (52:36):
<laugh>. Uh, so go check that out. I will make sure that there are clickable links in the show notes and thank you so much for being on for part two.
Brian McCarthy (52:43):
Yeah, thank you Andrew.
Angie Colee (52:48):
So that is it. Another awesome episode of Permission to Kick on the books. If you want to know more about the show, if you wanna know more about me, Angie Coley and the mission I'm on to help entrepreneurs punch fear in the face and do big bold things, then head on over to permission to kick ass.com. That is all one word together, permission to kick ass.com. Make sure to sign up for my email list so that you know whenever there's a Hot, fresh and Ready Podcast episode out for you. And also on Mondays, I'd like to send out a little newsletter called Kick Monday's. I'm sure you're totally, totally surprised by that. So thank you for being here with me today. I'm Angie Coley. Make sure that you share this with a friend that needs to hear this message today. Like it, share it, comment wherever you're listening to this today, and let's go kick some mess.