How welcome you are to involuntary permanence. We' re in Acapulco, well, I' m in Acapulco, which makes no sense and doesn' t matter, because for practical purposes of the program we' re not covering anything, nothing else. I happen to be here. And, well, let ' s talk about back to black civil war and White on set of the fifth episode, mainly although Pack saw it too, I already started seeing it. Then we can exchange views on everything that' s happened in show business.
And well, as always, well, we start by listening to involuntary permanence with fausto ponce how they are. Thanks to the people who are with us today fight transmission so that it reaches more people and good should not acapulco. Whether Carlos Andrés says it or not, he brought me from the fight. I come there with the saga, the saga to broadcast the show. He told me to tell, because to the chance that he was here and
from here we are going to make involuntary permanence. But Carlos Andrés gave me the one why you say Paco looks like a jolot, because you' re telling him soup, not because Paco belongs to a group or something, so I understand nothing. Paco' s a boy, he' s very nothing on the ballots. No yes, I' m telling you with cause paus It' s nothing more like that, it' s true it came down
this that they' re saying hello to you. Yeah, yeah. I ' m part of an atation team called jolotitos, m the largest equipración in Mexico, lgb ok oye está bajolantitos. It' s good, it' s good. Thank you, spirit and you believe it. I mean, after jolodio, there' s no, there' s no other grade. No, no, thanks, we' re the best. Then there' s no one better. All right. You think it' s perfect.
You guys hear, so taking advantage of the fact that you saw quaiton set and that Carlos Andes Mendio wanted to tell Daniel ben Ming about it, he ' s here and we' ll put it in you, but let' s start with that one. No quaiton set is already available on Max they advanced it, which is great. And it' s not only amazing because they' ve advanced it, but also because there' s already fifth episode.
There were only four and after Drake' s echo, because they said we' re going to do another episode, and there' s the fifth episode, this episode then focuses on who and what. Carlos Andrés nine, this episode is called breaking the silence and now that we see it, it makes a lot of sense why this episode comes and why it takes a few weeks to arrive. This episode focuses on the reactions of the first four episodes.
In general terms, he talks a little bit about reactions on social networks, on the media among those involved themselves, and then, specifically, he talks to Drake Bell again. This episode has a driver who is journalist Soledad or Brian, and then she talks to Drake Bal to talk about why she
spoke. Because at this moment a little bit what is suddenly questioned in relation to all the people who have made some denunciation of there, but why right now, why didn' t you speak at that moment, like all these criticisms around. So, well, you talk to Drake about precisely this and he' s looking to say round up a little bit more of what he had said, not how his relationship with his parents is. Now that he ' s at it, how he' s so trying to solve all this
that he already mentions a little bit with his music. And, in addition to having Drakeball in this episode, they also invite back Giovanni Samuels and Brian Heart, who are two of the members of Oldut, because also to see a little how the reaction has been with them, how they feel, how, because they lived all this impact from over Waltming to what he calls overwhelming, which is all this at the beginning justly and, for example, one thing I like from them is that they say we are good, not to
say yes, we have a bad time, if there are certain things, but we are good. Something very interesting they do. I didn' t know what this had happened is that Dunshngder gives an interview after the first episodes and then confront, confront what Runchon says against what they think in terms of,
for example, racism. And it has some issues that are, then, very specific and I think very revealing and that contribute a lot to these episodes, because, for example, in terms of racism, they say yes, yes, there were two children, black actors, but we were the only two. And when we say we were the only two? We didn ' t just mean that we were the only two in the picture, we
were the only two everywhere. So that means that, of course we were there to give this feeling that there really is inclusion, but there is not, because, if there would not be more people also in production. Not something that, for example, caught my attention a lot and I had never thought about it that way and I don' t remember now specifically who says
it. But mention that when you' re a black person, the first thing you do is count how many black people are there to see if it ' s really being included, if you' re the exception, like what your position is in front of all this, then it doesn' t have a little bit of all this. It also has other points that Bryan Peck is giving his position, something that I think is very important to talk about.
Don' t give Shider forgive me either or what crazy, I mean, they interview him in the documentary, they are or they take back things he said in other media. That' s gone. Sorry, I lost a little bit. He gives an interview to another medium, to another clear medium, yes, yes, yes, where he says that he is no longer the same person and that he would no longer do the same and that
he is very sorry. But, as I hear the testimonies at all from the first episode of the screenwriters, it makes me one thing that I mean, I don' t know if an apology suffices, but also, exactly, I don' t know if an apology is enough, but and that ' s just what they say is that the apology isn' t enough. Take responsibility for your one month you won' t let them forgive me, yes I did, it was wrong and then I offer you the apology.
But otherwise it stays as I apologize. But it' s like half- knowing, and that' s also like one of the issues that' s out there, because even with Drake bal just enough to ask him questions, and some of these people are coming, some of those who sent letters to support, for example, Brian Peck has approached you later and Drake Bales'
answer. No one, without some of them have expressed on social networks and others, but that they have gone to talk to him, that they have phoned him or that they have seen him no, because, because it is like very easy, not this part of woe, because I put Way in networks. I' m very sorry, excuse me, that you can also interpret it as well, because in the end, they are public figures and
making an apology in networks will be more beautiful in terms of image. But really the person affected, as in this case Drake Bell, because it remains the same, not and of course, the episode mentions a lot. We don' t know what to do with these situations. We don' t know how to react, because they also ask him about Josh Peck that you ' ll remember, that there was like a lot of conversation around there, but why Josh Peck hasn' t said anything. But because Aha hasn'
t done anything. And it' s also as if to see, but I was another child, I didn' t know what to do, how to react and talk to him, that is, it' s not that simple either. I imagine when you' re in there to be out there and thinking about what people should or shouldn' t be doing in relation to the victims. No, for example, then these elements that are part of the episode, I think they are part of how valuable the episode is,
because we don' t talk so much about it. We don' t discuss it as much as we focus more on the victims and the perpetrators and everything legal and so on, but not on the effects, not on the later, not on the accountability, not on how. Maybe reacting that it ' s just telling him he hears because he wasn' t aware. I ' m sorry you have my support and if you were aware, as is the case with Danshneider, it' s nothing else to offer you an apology. So assume what you did and move on. No, then there'
s all this. They have an additional interview, which is with Shane Lions, another actor who was in Oldhat, who is already retired, who today is a chet and who well he will give his testimony, to tell a little his point of view, which I think adds a little to, since other perspectives. Not because Shane Lyons may be his name today, white,
for example. And if they realize and if you tell us, for example, of Dash Nighder, for if it was very charismatic, but there were many things that made them inappropriate, like suddenly being making comments from male sex organs, yes, in front of children. It' s not from then on, like I didn' t even understand what was going on in the
first episode is what he says I don' t know. There are many double- sense references that creators are aware of and when the executive arrives, or see the executive episode and hear this word that is that double- sense. Not how you think, Dann Schnetd said, and he got dizzy. Don' t imagine, for I would say I imagined it there as boring there this one I don' t know if if this character named Elbert has to do with an albur no, how do you think why you think it
also the executives. No, not half- weather or that I had the character to this People boyd and in fact, Dan Shneider says so in the interview and they reply to me no. No. No. No. No. Of course we didn' t have that intention. It' s the adults of today who are interpreting this like this and say no. No. No. No, we are the adults of today, because also the screenwriters, also others of those who give their testimony justly, because it mentions not
as he had like this double game. No, no, no, of course not everything is very innocent, but he then in front of them or with the clear production that made these jokes and like this game I' m going to get away with, making these sex jokes and using these kids to tell them. And there comes a number of questions around. No, then, all this is in the episode, which is fine. There' s a very nice time too because Brian Heart to me hadn' t made it
so clear that he' s a color actor. He was a teenager when he was in the episode and unlike other children for other reasons. His mom was there. His mom was there all the time and his mom complains, she says like this isn' t very suitable, like what. So that ' s the kid, that' s the kid that in the first season, well sorry, the first episode, they dress him up there like a
superhero with a nose that looks like a member. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that' s it, and the little I think the executives said oh yeah,' cause I' m the one who' s dirty, that ' s the one who' s got the concocting mind and the writers are super innocent. It' s the one they dress like that. I remember well, also in some episode it ends up muddy like peanut butter and then
go dogs to the market peanut butter. So it' s clear that all this is wrong and then they end up saying goodbye to him all of a sudden for the next season, you go to the kid, the teenager gets fired because the mom just hears that this thing about him getting dressed, as well as that this thing about being swept away like something' s not so
good here. Not even if I remember well, the mom is the one who comments a little bit about I think I don' t remember if it was good, about any of them and she says like I don' t see it so well that suddenly she kind of touches my son a lot as and the answer is there' s that she' s gay. So it ' s like more tochi not like you say to see if everything feels good,
because it' s not okay, no, but good. The point is that they fire him and that breaks the relationship between the mother and the son and they tell you in this episode, how it goes, regardless of whether he' s still living there for a certain time, if it causes them emotionally this weight, because you took this opportunity away from me, you
separated me from the industry blah blah blah. And they were away and because of the series, just because from her see the grief of her son, seeing the grief in her mother, they come back into contact on Valentine' s Day. That' s very helpful, because I' m sending you a hug and that' s why you have a nice Valentine' s Day. One thing like that and the series serves as part of the whole objective of the episode so that they can be reconciled, they can be found again.
It has some very emotional moments, just the episode as working in this sense, of why it is important to talk But, that is, it happened after thirty years. Almost thirty years, twenty or so. So many were fighting, that is, the mother and my son were almost talking to
him for 20 years. Yeah. Yeah? Yeah? Yeah. This is terrifying because the effects that we see in reke Bell, in them, in other actors, actresses of these programs, because they have decades and that, by the way, notice that something that I learned after watching this episode seeing something more related to the series that is not mentioned in the series. I
think this is something the series should mention. Many of these child actors signed confidentiality contracts at that time, or later Janet mccordy who is one of the girls who was there too and who does her biography, comments on it in another interview and says that at some point, since she had already stopped working in the production, they talk to her and tell her listen we want to
offer you a confidentiality contract, as to already leave some things behind. No, and we offer you something like$ 300, 000 out there, no. Yeah. Then she tells them no. I don' t even want to get my book out. She takes out her autobiography and obviously doesn' t sign them. But that certainly explains why many others have not spoken, because they cannot. They have a confidentiality contract, because it' s a terrible manure manure there, that is, and it hurts, that is,
it' s painful. And the second episode I started watching starts with the story of one of the girls who was on the w show. Amandavins. I think she' s a granny. I forgot he didn' t arm, I mean, I don' t say band bains to grandma, but another girl who was like a kind of not extra for having a small role. Woe to the one they replace, who casts himself now, is the first, do not lick, says the one they replace. It' s the first episode. According to me, there' s another little Güerita girl
who says her mom didn' t have any. According to this he had no important role and sends him a photo of a sex predator. He ends up not wanting to know anything about the industry exactly, that is, that is very painful. The poor girl' s career is over and the desire
to be on television is over. Paco what you think of all this, but it is a series that that kind of series and any work that is of the denunciation that we give to the victims is necessary and it seems to me that, beyond any creative technical situation that can be criticized or otherwise, I think that the fact of giving voice and focus to these cases seems to me very important, legitimate and that it has to continue to be done.
Yeah, I think it' s kind of problematic the work as such the time to choose, like your testimonies and the lines you want to follow in
this story. The fact that just like they concentrate a lot on those who episodes in Ryan Peck and leave Jason Handy aside a bit or is the chonel that touch them as a reference, being that also, because they are criminals who were convicted for their actions of paedophilia and also, therefore, a little bit the whole part, because of darsh Nyder, because it is to go
more for the gossip than for the facts of what we are seeing. It ' s like not really no, not the fact that he' s not a bad person, but rather that there was a bit of a distortion there about what they were telling. But what gets me a little bit off the hook is, then, the choice of how they approach Drake Bell' s theme, which, of course, is kind of a complex one, because,
of course, an empathizes very well with his story. It is very sad what happens to Drake Bell in his youthful years at the time of being in this company, in these programs. But then, well, not Drake, he' s also become a perpetrator and he' s actually accused of abuse also for other minors in the United States and for those who live right now here in Mexico, No, because there are several. It' s just one, it' s not a complaint, it' s a complaint
where he argues. He' s got several, he' s got several, yeah, he' s got several. This is like the one that ' s been sounded the most, but there have been several girls who haven ' t reported themselves. Not formally, but it was like when the sun came out. All this was like a scandal a little bigger than it just caused him to get out of there, sure, and because that' s what provokes him this and I say to you, I think they heard your testimonies as a victim. It is very valid and it is good that you
can externalize it and that you can tell your story. However, I think it' s very problematic because of the approach you have a little bit, the documentary, the putting it here and then nothing more from your interview, as they minimize a little bit to Drake' s victims by saying that saying that Drake was sexually abused, he did contribute more, but that was by
messages. I think that the fact that they minimize these actions so much seems to me very contradictory to what they want to have and also a lot to do with the approach yes, of this type of documentaries or Lotus series, because, yes, you are, because minimizing the victim. That' s not how I' m going to tell you how well no one took Drake
to see him apologize. Imagine also how Drake' s victims tell you to watch this kind of documentaries and see that he, because you' re getting angry and so that his case is simply shortened in a line after his interview to say that well, it wasn' t so rave because it was a text message. I think that kind of detail shows little empathy, a little of what we' re talking about in general, about these harassment issues.
However, that' s why I think it' s problematic. There I was generated as a lot of trouble to see the kind of details, because there were they made me of really half contradictory with everything in general, but
I repeat again with what I started in my comment. I think it is very important that, whatever it is, these kinds of statements and these kinds of experiences come out and that they are denunciations that what is being done and that, well, that people know that this happens and that they not only know, but that they also take class in the matter of what is happening,
that that is very important. The fact that you realize how these big channels operate, big production chains, it' s very sad and it' s something that we know, it' s a secret to the end, that we all know and think it operates that way. But at the same time, we do not do much to stop it. And it is something that sadly, surely continues to happen in many parts, and for it is
very sad that it happens. But as these kinds of jobs and people keep raising their voices with their cases and risking their careers, arresting their integrity, risking all their status that they may have had just to tell their story, it seems to me very commendable and I think it is just the most important thing that these victims can have the spotlight right now and that their story can be heard, because perhaps at the time no one wanted to hear them.
Then I think maybe the ear is too late for the others to hear. But I think it' s never too late to tell your story, so I can start healing. And I think it' s important what you' d say this is that Drake Ball, that is, the approach they took with Drabeck, should have been different. That' s what you' re saying, yeah, I think I think so. I mean, I think
it' s very important how good he told his story. I think it is essential that they have counted it, because it is one of the most serious cases within all those who are counting, obviously, and of the saddest to hear it is devastating. But I think if you' re making a series or a documentary that denounces stalkers and you know that your victim is also a victim, because he must also show empathy for the victims of that person,
I think that' s where he is now. It' s just, I don' t know, we' ll have to see the other people, that' s physical abuse. Yeah, I mean, he' s got an ex- wife and an ex- partner and the other person on the Internet, where he sends the messages. That' s either he could be there, that is, because he could have claimed that he was
a minor. There you don' t have how much form it is he said she said, but finally he paid the sentence, that is, finally there he faced justice, that is to say there he would have to see then the other accusers and he already has a pattern. Finally, I'
m sure you have a pattern of physical abuse. Probably yes, there are two more people who accuse him I don' t know the other side, because usually the patterns always of behavior, they can if they happen in small or there are certain circumstances, the perpetrator usually is a victim and victim at the same time when not always, but it can happen that he comes to the one that you already see that he has now a whole organization and works
for victims of this type, that she obviously, was with Sergio Andrade. He just explains this and says that there is a percentage of the victims who, if they don' t work, that if they don' t go
to therapy, then they are. I don' t know if the most correct word is condemned, but they' re going to repeat the pattern and they' re going to become perpetrators, yes, yes, but here I think it' s not what' s not like the issue of whether it ' s Drake' s fault or not as such, the fact of spadon, but rather as it' s production defects, the fact of how they show up in these kinds of situations. I don' t mean. That ' s where I tell you I think it' s where Mash doesn'
t make me the subject of me continuing. I' m setting up a very empathetic story about harassment, but I also put you on a stalker who, of course, was also a victim, but I haven' t shown
empathy for his victims since. In that part I think it fails, because, then, if it is not consistent with the message that it is wanting to convey clearly, of course, of course, because perhaps another approach, at least to have told him or that he light or at last, I mean, finally part of it is that I suddenly remembered myself angry because it was a refilion that they put nothing else, that is, they minimized it
terrible. And if I mean, I put myself in the victim' s place and if it was me and I' m watching this and they minimize me to a note, not such a footer, practically from an interview, because I don' t know what courage it can be. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get you a little bit, I don' t know what the victim of I don' t know how to take it. But, I mean, I' m finally telling you right there, I mean,
finally already there, yes, he pleaded guilty. He suddenly says that ah I won' t stop to blame because I didn' t want to, I don' t know, but well, finally he did send what he sent, but again they said to listen too you didn' t say so how it is to suffix you with the apology of drash nightder that is, maybe that' s enough. It was you watching the curtain they put
on him. We never know. No, but, because I think it ' s the kind of moral questions that this kind of series kind of wake up, it' s interesting because, obviously, everyone has their compass and their compass and each one points to different ways. But, I do believe that that is, that it would look a little more empathetic in general, at the time of this at the head of an intoxicated project. Sure, Daniel I saw, you saw her, Daddy to see she' s not here in snow you saw it, yeah, I didn' t see it
all. In fact, I haven' t seen this last episode you' re commenting on. I agree very much with Paco. I feel about what they' re talking about that was how they wash my image. Help me wash my image for and I give you the interview that will close your documentary super well, because at the end of the day I say here Gloria Trevis,
the best example. People love the returns of their childhood idols and the truth is that he' s been trying here in Mexico to have as his return, but that he' s used to other levels of income, to another totally bigger star system there. And this is the best trampoline he can have to get back to what he wants, which is to stay in the
industry. And what better than like this poor victim who follows and I don ' t want to minimize what happened to him, because what happened to him is very ugly, but he' s going to be exploiting it that' s also something. It' s a very interesting edge. Well, if it' s already been so bad, why not exploit it that I think
it' s in everything or it' s totally valid. If he wants to do it, let him do it, but the point is that they do minimize what he did, that I think you said it favos, that it' s just a lawsuit, that a lawsuit that I' m blushing is let' s say there' s an officer, but there were complaints and I even said there. Yeah, unfortunately, it' s just like Twitter rumor. Well, I hope it' s just a rumor that I had also started doing some scattered things here, but it was just when he
started dating in Tebazteca and it kind of went out, it fell. So I' m not saying what happened, but if there was a rumor and there was already evidence that if it has a certain tendency, then I think yes, we should use this a little more and it is super difficult and rugged, but yes, I say so Ahorita Carlos said. I mean, normally, if there' s no support, there' s no therapy.
Whoever suffered that usually becomes a victim. Then you can become an endless cycle, which is horrible and that' s why it' s good that the documentary is. Yeah, he' s not much of a father, that ' s because he was a victim and then he did things not on that scale, but we don' t know how far he could have gone. Then they' re like those chiaroscuros. But at the end of the day full and anything? That thing matters, no matter what scale. Yeah,
well, here' s the thing. I think I think the subject awakens as it says, pays a little on the moral side. When it' s enough to see it, to suffer, that is, when you' re happy because the person pays or how much, because you could be in the house and not feel like you' ve got it, you could ask
for a lot of money. I mean, it' s very complicated, I mean, I don' t know, I mean, yeah, I feel like I do think that I was a little down when he said I pleaded guilty because it was almost a strategy to get out, because the other person, I mean, did what he did and felt bad about someone else and because he knew or didn' t know he was a minor. That could be much more debatable, I mean, it could be much more serious than that. Yeah, they probably would, but they' d also have
to see the patterns now. What I' m telling you is that if you have a couple of glaves, a woman has a couple complaints of abuse and a couple, that is, of physical abuse, then, then there, at least you have perhaps a pattern that is glimpsed now if together, if you find out that there are more situations in which he was acting in
ways of harassment, then he is already a much bigger pattern. He never, never attended to it as well and also has to do with the agenda on the show, I mean, in the end the program has very clear that in one of the predators, the stalkers of star children in Hollywood, I mean, I agree super that maybe they should have gone a lot deeper into all this Drake Ball stuff. Wow, that would have been a very good hearing question. You' re asking Brian p Coallanshngder to take responsibility.
You take responsibility, you take responsibility. No, because you have accusations, too. But because it wasn' t the focus and maybe then you should dedicate an episode to Drake Ball, truly a complete one. We' re going to tackle all the edges. But Goa is not the focus of the series. Not at the end, then. I agree. I think there are those mistakes in the series. I also think of it a little bit
as production decisions that they have to make to achieve certain objectives. Remember also that this series is not supposed to be a series that you are thinking as we already have, not but that there is the intention that if new testimonies arise and new things arise that need to be told, we may have other episodes. Yeah, that' s what they say. Which is going to be a lot more stuff. I don' t know how to argue, I mean, I don' t think it' s a white dove,
I mean, I' m touched by what happened to him. Then, obviously, he has a very dark moment that he is, that is, he went crazy. I' m not touched by that part and that part, because I don' t know. You' ll have to see what you' re responsible for. But, yeah, that' s interesting the
point of view, the payment that was angry with the victim. I mean, Daniel has another, I have another, I mean, I think we finally agree that he does have, that is, he didn' t check out, and because he hurt there are people, that is because in addition, the series has no experts in the sense of psychologists. Not sometimes,
that' s what he' d be missing so many. If not, no, no, that' s, it' s, it' s pretty interesting, yeah, totally, but, well, there' s the documentary, it' s good, these talkies pulling a lot of yarn out there I feel, that' s already in a structure term, I feel like they talk a lot of things and so it' s a lot of bombing and impact, that' s how knockout it beats you no, because
it' s a lot of temites. There' s this, this other one, but, well, I feel I need a little more, a cohesion, a conclusion or a closure, at least not to sexist in the fifth, but yes, danash Night in the interview she gives, because she says no yes, I behaved very badly and would not do it again?
But for what he is responsible for is what they talk about him, that is to say not to recognize that they are him and not to recognize that they are chis in a double sense and that he passed three villages, that is, that does not say neither Nike Lodion nor that lore It is not responsible for anything Nickelodeon winning the same message of attending to all the denunciations that has gone and we seek that there is the best possible environment in our sexes.
And it' s over. That' s all they' ve said about it. Yes, there is a cannon and I tell you, that is, when I heard him speak, I said no, for he said well, because he recognized that he watered it and that he would not do it again. But, seeing all the comments, i e, she subdued it awfully to the screenwriters, i e, there was already a very strong misogynist issue. For example, I don' t know one of the interviews that are also very controversial, but it also seems to me how they were
an important act of recognition. It' s one of the interviews they do with John Lennon. I forget what magazines it' s for, because it ' s for time. I don' t know, right now, I don' t remember, but he says I was very angry and I was a batterer of women, that is, of my sogen and batterer of women, and he confesses it already is a different guy, or that' s what happens, as it is, according to everything I' ve seen lately the documentaries and all I mean, he realizes this and I think he can
transcend and he' s at peace with himself and he finds things. But there are still people who are angry. So what we were saying was how much you could forgive John Lennon for that, that is, if you recognize or know or what you need, that is to forgive the other person who says yes to you, so that what does happens to him? I think it' s depending on each person right now. Someone put the comments on it doesn' t even see who the Danielves case that as it' s
already going to pay the victim, is already innocent, sounds horrible. But if the victim decides, I think it' s fair enough. At the end of the day, everyone knows what' s going to give him peace, maybe that money thing, it' s going to give him peace somehow, because he' s not going to have to worry about work or something like that or from the beginning it' s what he wanted, I mean,
there' s always going to be edges. But if in the end the victim has something, he asks for something and that' s what he ' s given, because that' s a form of justice, then yes. It' s too rough. But every victim is going to say there are no victims, for example, with me you that what you say I don' t want money anymore, I want you to accept all the crap you did and with that you were happy. Well, I don' t know if happy is the word, but that gave them peace, then there
will be. I think if every victim is who I have to say, I need X to be able to do that, that' s free him. Check it out. Mrs Edith Marquez, whom the influencer known as fofo, beat the lady who hit the fofo, said if he saw you maybe if they had asked for an apology, I know they were the reggae. I was my dumb ass. She wouldn' t have done anything, so it' s very interesting what you' re saying. Yeah, yeah, I think maybe maybe maybe maybe it doesn' t give a chance or it
' s the village. I don' t know,' cause that sounds pretty strong about what happened. But in another sense, another situation that you might consider less aggressive or less aggressive, two raits less aggressive, but two meres within the aggression maybe, with girlfriend excuse me I' m an idiot or I' m going too stupid, and the other person that you would have, I mean, maybe. Sometimes what we need is a recognition of each other and that hurt us. Or for you to be a little at
peace and it' s ok Iba can be too. No, everyone' s the same, but it' s interesting how you wake up, how you think it' s not so serious, no, it' s not so serious, that is, yes, that is, but there are aggravators also in the law, that is, it' s not so serious one, because then there are aggravators. And it' s not the same harassment between two adults as a child thing. Or it' s not the same. No, when it' s like this, I get power. Anyway, I mean, I don' t know, I' d have to
tell you about Drakevers. It' s not like I want to defend him. I think you are. I think he did minimize in the end, in the end, he minimized the photos he sent saying. It' s not that I did have to get guilty because I had to. Not good, well sure, yeah, or you overreacted. If you knew I was younger, then that sucks. If not good, then not a bad afternoon, but I already pay for it. But yes, no one wants to accept that we are villains. It is also clear that it is not easy
to say whether I did this either. Not everything is easy either. It ' s not easy either. It definitely says what' s up. It ' s a message we' re hearing from the company and I said how mysterious if we' re listening to it in the company, a strong embrace of the company. More are from Tijuana, Greetings is Giancarlo Dutch Greetings. We sent you a hug, because if nothing else I read company and said
about the company, I woe what company Amazon is. If Ricardo Reyes also says it' s like one of Soui Wan' s actors, or one who harassed him in networks to talk and he said he doesn' t want to talk on those issues. Even though after your decision, because you are ready to talk and maybe you are never or maybe, even if you are, you decide that you want to talk to your family alone and not publicly,
because that part is also very complicated. Everyone wants to have the right to say how they would be reacting to these actors and singers and what they would have to be doing and what they would have to be saying, because it is very easy to demand from where it did not happen to you clear truth chin there are no victims who feel sorry to accept it and it is
very sad, but it is very respectable. If you don' t want to talk about it ever, nobody has it, why force not everyone to deal differently with that kind of grief, because you' re always looking like a human being, I feel like looking for hypothetical situations. This wouldn' t have happened. If I don' t and if you, when you see him in the other, it' s clear this wouldn' t happen to me, because I wouldn' t do this or that. I wouldn ' t go through that alley at night. I wouldn' t take a
run of a stranger. No, I wouldn' t go to a party that when I was fourteen, they wouldn' t have left me, because those daddies and then you started telling you stories. But look at the other person. I mean, that happened to him because that gives us a sense of control and because, besides, if it happens to us, we think and the first thing we feel when something bad happens to us was our fault.
I just think the show, I think it does address that. It seems to me that quite rightly when you' re talking about Drake Bale' s case, but in a way of others too, because we always want to find guilty, not then, and besides, we want to find guilty where we' re not. I mean, in the end, the culprits
are Duch Knightr Bryan Peck the others who are in jail. But it' s very easy to say it' s the mom, it' s the dad, it' s just that it' s not who you already know like all the other characters around, and the good show doesn' t try. It explains just how these characters are working in a very calculated way,
because the father of what we were talking about you will remember Faussa. In the other episode, Drake Bell' s dad did everything he could to protect him and of course it is, therefore, a burden with which the lord lives, because he was there all the time and had to stop being with his son all the time, because his son, who was being, then manipulated by this man, said no. No, no, I just don ' t want you to take care of me anymore and then my mom'
s gonna take care of me. And the mother of course is also to blame, because the mother did not want to leave her son to do something that is not right. Of course not, but the mother lived far away. The mother had a job and then these characters settle down in such a way as alas. Don' t worry, I' ll take it. Don' t worry, I' ll take care of it and they' re going in little by little, and when you see, it' s
just what you didn' t want to happen. No, so that part reminded me of Nar, I remembered Mario Poquitas, yes, few, because it happens with all of them. She, you know. I remembered a lot about my own parents, because I remember that when I was a kid, my mom always said you' re not going to create any house. If anyone wants to come here, but you don' t go to anyone ' s house. I wasn' t allowed to go. I mean, it was really weird, I mean, I had to get to know the
family pretty well, and my mom had to give. It was weird, but weird and when I was a teenager. But not before. And I have a subject because I can' t sleep outside my house. It' s either work or obviously not tea, but there' s something unexpected. I don' t know, I mean, there' s a party suddenly aya fauscata to sleep here. I can' t, I mean I never
could. I mean, it gave me a feeling of anxiety and but I say that' s a curious anecdote after my mom' s rules, that I was always on the lookout and said not only not alone, because she knew and heard about people and I said about talking that where those things of abuse happened. My mom, my mom' s your mom' s team. My mom always said. You don' t know, because, obviously,
we were kids and obviously we weren' t going to explain. But you don' t know the things that can happen and like me, I don' t know anyone and not even if I know them, I don ' t live with them and I don' t know what things are like. You guys don' t go that, by the way, that made
me think a little bit. You see that there is also the case of Patricio cabezut Already there were actors that give him support and so on, that connects very well here with the letters of those who supported Brian Pech and my thinking was everyone who can support anyone, but in the end you do not
live with them. So, because you know people at work, at family or friendly meetings, but from there to what happens in a house there are a lot of people difference is that those are moral issues, still the i e, the sexual part and that intimate part are moral things still, i e, we conceive them. So, what do you do first? Well, that' s a lot of crimes, because they' re considered vices of society. And what is the first thing you do, because talking to
people and then the testimony there are many. Yeah, he' s a very decent man how you think and greeted everyone very nice, very attentive mornings. Yeah, thanks, okay, well, that gave it here with the other one. But aha, that' s an important part for one that gives you peace of mind to believe you know the other. Not exactly. It makes me laugh because once Daniel Viseño, on some show he said I don' t put my hands in the fire for anyone or for me you
know. Then it seemed funny to me at the time and then I said that in these situations, because I almost didn' t say how strong. I mean, yeah, no, no. I totally agree. Now you were talking about tea. I said stubbornly and remembered that Ana Lucía Salas Hara has been fighting with several people because she was, therefore, in favor of the victims. It is always automatically analu because it is supporting the victims closely, not their moral support. And I was having issues with Patricio Caso,
because there were a lot of people who were supporting him. I don' t know the folder or the theme. I' ve seen it as high above. It' s getting complicated. And it' s these things that people love to take sides and that in the end they see again who' s the bad guy to crucify him, that is media, because in the light he says he prefers to make mistakes with the victims and I think not. I think it' s better to get the victims wrong. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally, and we' re a little funny or it
' s funny, yeah, contradictory. And all of a sudden we want to minimize things. I don' t know, for example, I think of the case of Hector Parra, for example, and his daughter, Alexa, that Alex is the one who denounces him, and then suddenly they make it clear that Jimmy Hofman, who is in it hates it and has it a lot of muina, is he lecturing it and then he' s inciting it, inciting his daughter, manipulating her to do it and denouncing it,
and in the end you say, well, maybe. If she' s angry, you know maybe, yeah, she' s angry, maybe, yeah, she wants to see it merged. But that doesn' t prevent that and doesn' t mean that what the judge ruled is true and what, then, that he was guilty, because also, in those evidence that you remember that some of the behaviors aha of the behaviors were filtered out there,
because they are rare. I mean, it' s like why you ' d put her in that part of her body that' s your part, or it' s always like I don' t know a weird game, because it might be her that' s in the pomp, because it supposes and describes it, I think because they' re imagining when she was a minor then anyway, but yes in that part, because you' d put a game words like this is mine is hers, but you also put it, but it' s yours, I mean, but why that sexualizes
and if that' s clear, it' s not right. It is Ariana big in the series of Nickelodeon, in the sun not with the Pope and squeezing it and taking it out played a vine that looks something else and pouring water, venting that water that scales directly to the mouth, to the
actresses or li verdes. There are viscous or different means, i e, no yes, you just think that and again, i e, I could tell you the defenders of Hector Parra or whoever' s in the turn or Dan Snider or whoever you want not the car that' s cochambrous is you, because they' re ambiguities there that there' s something. You know there' s a glyche in there on the matrix that something happened, but
you don' t know exactly what happened. That if you' re sexualized, because it' s the same as we are, a while ago the kid in the suit, it' s all tight, that' s localized. It' s not right, no, no, no, no good and you' re going to other topics and it' s often that too. I mean, all of a sudden I see and I say they were sixteen years old. Someone who' s done two tights, I mean, what' s up and that' s not paco. You' re very quiet. I' m worried when you' re quiet that you don'
t love us anymore. I' m almost mad at us You don' t get mad We' re just opinionators. No, no, not trying to make sense of this world. It' s not that since we left, it' s horrible several and so on. But I don' t mean fair. I think it' s like closing down and covering all the ideas that have been commented on right now and with all the topics, because I think everyone shares things in common. And it is that the fact that, yes, as Daniel said, every victim decides that when and how he
lives and read his truth and his story. And that' s why we have to be empathetic to others. It is not a question of seeking guilt or pointing to anyone, but rather of being empathetic with all the people who are paying for some moment of difficulty or are not perpetuating it, we must
also be empathetic with them. However, well, I think that is the part where I too would invite us to reflect as to the producers of such programmes, that we are creators of content and that there is social responsibility for what is, what they are creating. Not then, if we are creating a program that talks about the victims and so on, then let' s soak up this culture well, cover everywhere and protect everyone so that, then,
no one gets hurt and what style we want to do. I don ' t think that' s what we' re missing a little bit about this kind of program in general, because I think a lot of these documentaries or locusters are taking it from there. I think, as I said at the beginning of my comment, it is very important that the victims who want to speak are given a voice and given this focus. That' s good.
But, then, that productions also like to be aware that there is social responsibility and that good research work must be done so that, because everything is well cared for, not and that really, because everyone is well off and that there is no one who can get hurt or offended, or because he also feels that his life experience has been minimized at some point. It ' s just that, I mean, like what he says pay or minomize, not see each other, do less. Hey, you did this to
me, I hurt you. Oh no, I mean no Sasha, I mean Sasha, because that was in my anger just the same and I didn ' t do anything, either, or maybe I didn' t forget it anymore. But I' m already here calmly, I' m not going to get into this matter goodbye and suddenly the other one. No, because I loved her and here and romanticizing and I still told her and you were in love, because she got angry. And I mean, he says, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,
hey. And what I want you to recognize beyond other things to be responsible hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, for that of course, of course, how important it is like that paco and otherwise, notice that the first season of thierrting Reson' s White handled
this kind of nuances that seemed to me to be very interesting. Inside of it all I tell you I was and this teen drama and they said and with plots that they are to get you hooked. We had interesting things. I don' t know. There' s a time when there' s a Latin girl who was pimping her, oh yeah, that lips and that pretty and everything. And someone asks Tony I think they ask him is the
main character. I forgot how the main thought is called, so the one who receives the tapes tells him that he tells Tony he has a conversation with Tony he says he hears. But then, for example, this girl has become what she' s called, she doesn' t look, she' s told and she' s not bad, but she seems to like it, because it' s not like she likes it, but she' s got like thick skin or she doesn' t care or has ways to leave it, so she dodges it and makes other decisions and there have to be
other tools. He doesn' t say it that sophisticated. But it kind of tells her that each person is different and even if she gets it, so, maybe she would, she doesn' t hurt, but maybe exactly clay that clay she' s talking to Tony with, but maybe someone else Yeah, and that other person not only doesn' t get it right, but it can be devastating that that' s true. I mean, they don' t all take it that way, so maybe someone' s good at it and they' re like that and they hear, but it'
s wrong. Complaining says I don' t care or. But to arrive at a time when a person follows a pyropus at best, pulls it out and says hey I don' t want to be uncomfortable and starts to make a torture that repeats the behavior over and over and over again is that there is the fact that it is percera at best. For example, the compliment is incorrect. That is already in the nature of the pyropus is wrong. Now there will be the interpretation or the way in which everyone assumes it.
Yes, exactly. So, well, yes, it' s a personal issue. It' s how each person assumes it and not everyone is so. That' s why it gets more complicated, because not everyone is with the same openness, acceptance, the same readiness to accept that someone tells you those kinds of things that may seem nice to you, but they may seem awful to me. They can also hurt and not, and that' s the difference. So, but well, it' s a complex subject and at the same time it tells me simple paco, it' s like turning
around to see the other one. No, but it becomes complex, because you don' t want to accept that you were wrong. You don' t want to accept that you' re the bad guy, etcetera, etcetera. And sometimes you don' t want to accept that you are or become a victim, because you are a victim and you feel ugly the truth,
being a victim, you feel very pinched. Yeah, it' s not easy to say no. That' s why people take so long, because it' s taken so long, because I didn' t want to say, because they' re going to say that I fucked up that I' m stupid, not stupid and that I shouldn' t have done that And what did you do, because I went there, I got into a party at three in the morning alone in I don' t know where, because
that happened to me, because I' m stupid. It' s my fault it feels ugly that in the stigma that you' re the victim forever aha, because I tell you, I mean, immediately you think you had control, or more control and you could have avoided it. But there it is, like a whole super- wrong interpretation. You know why at the end of the day, I' d hate to be out of clothes wherever
I went and I wouldn' t have to tell her anything. No, not obviously not, but because it' s inevitable to think that you have control over things, of course because they apply ah but you don' t have clothes. You were tempting the world what happened to you. No, it could happen, too, I mean, you could go without clothes in
some situation. You don' t even stick to what horror and you' re totally covered up and horrible passes too, that is, exactly also no, yes, yes, it' s very ugly and very complex everything, but yes, I mean, it' s simple how it is paco turns to see the other thing is simple. You see, it' s hard to recognize each other. No, but, well, it' s already happening to us. We already used the whole program Look for what it is to be. We' re passionate these days. Yeah, or it'
s good. I think it' s worth talking about for other things that happen media and happen a lot and especially good, everywhere, in every respect.
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