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The AI Shift in HR: Why BPO Will Never Be the Same

Dec 29, 20255 min
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Episode description

John Sansoucie, President and Chief Growth Officer of CogNet, joins host Nadia Atwal to explore how artificial intelligence is transforming the business process outsourcing (BPO) industry—particularly within HR. With two decades of experience, John shares how his global team is helping HR service providers scale through smart automation and process optimization.

Key Discussion Points
  • The Origin Story: John traces his journey from building an HR outsourcing company in the U.S. to creating a 600-person global workforce, beginning with early ventures in India.
  • AI's Infiltration into HR: He explains the shift from traditional BPO to Business Process Management, where automation and robotics—not just offshoring—are driving efficiency.
  • Real-World Example: John describes how legacy HR paperwork (PDFs, paystubs, forms) can now be processed using robotic systems, drastically reducing human labor and time.
  • Security & Compliance: He emphasizes the critical need for caution when dealing with sensitive HR data—especially in the age of large language models and potential AI “hallucinations.”
  • The Human Touch: Despite AI advances, John predicts humans will remain vital for auditing and oversight—especially in areas like payroll and compliance.
  • Future Readiness: He urges HR companies to embrace AI or risk falling behind, drawing on lessons from his father: "Be ahead, not behind."
Takeaways

Companies in HR that fail to integrate AI into their operations will lose their competitive edge. Through robotic process automation and cautious AI implementation, firms can double output without doubling staff. However, John cautions: thoughtful security protocols and human oversight are non-negotiable in this new era.

Closing Thoughts

John Sansoucie’s message is clear: the future of HR isn’t just about outsourcing—it’s about smart scaling. Leaders must embrace AI not as a buzzword, but as an operational necessity.

Transcript

[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the show, I'm your host Nadia Atwal. [SPEAKER_00]: Today we have a fascinating specialist in AI who's bringing it into the offices. [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the show, John Sorsese. [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_01]: And having my name pronounced correctly is amazing as well. [SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate it. [SPEAKER_00]: John, tell us a little bit about your company and what motivated you to found it. [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_01]: And where it was, where it came from, where it's becoming today. [SPEAKER_01]: So about 21 years ago, I went to India for the first time. [SPEAKER_01]: And I was in the HR outsourcing business. [SPEAKER_01]: And we decided to hire a vendor and do business there. [SPEAKER_01]: And I've been going for a long time. [SPEAKER_01]: The business I was in here in the States was that HR service provider or professional employer organization where we do everything for small business.

[SPEAKER_01]: So run their payroll, take give them benefits, pay their taxes, you name it. [SPEAKER_01]: That company got sold. [SPEAKER_01]: I kept the people that I had been trying it for five years. [SPEAKER_01]: I used them with my money, got some friends, and the way we get them, we have a company.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a day that company employs 600 people around the globe, and we specialize in helping HR service companies or bureaus, whether they be [SPEAKER_00]: So how is it impacting the productivity and companies? [SPEAKER_01]: Very much so, you know, I went to AI4 recently in Las Vegas, and the fact that it was thrown out to me was it only 10% of companies are using AI, they're all talking about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: One of the things I wanted to cognate of the deal is, let's be ahead, let's not sit around and wait. [SPEAKER_01]: The traditional business of business process, Al-Sore, seeing as that, somebody else does the same work for you elsewhere in the world, business process, management, where we're going into the application of the course software. [SPEAKER_01]: So I'll give you an example. [SPEAKER_01]: We have a partner that does software implementation for HR system.

[SPEAKER_01]: At the end of the day, everybody goes, oh, I forgot all that paper that's in there. [SPEAKER_01]: My PDFs, my paystubs, my forums, my INIs, everything I did all these years is in there and I got to move it. [SPEAKER_01]: In the past, human beings moved them. [SPEAKER_01]: They took a document, moved to here to there. [SPEAKER_01]: And we were in that business. [SPEAKER_01]: Today, through the use of robotics, more so than AI right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: We are able to move large amounts of that data in timeframes. [SPEAKER_01]: It just wasn't possible before. [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: So, I becomes one better now on HR systems. [SPEAKER_00]: And so, how can these tools ensure that they're being used responsibly? [SPEAKER_01]: You bring him put him my big points. [SPEAKER_01]: I try to make him security.

[SPEAKER_01]: We are dealing with bank accounts, so security numbers, information that not necessarily you want running around chat, keep it. [SPEAKER_01]: What I find with large language models is that. [SPEAKER_01]: we want to believe they won't hallucinate or do bad things, they might. [SPEAKER_01]: So we have to draw a real cautious line of what kind of data that is protected and what's touching it, what technology is touching. [SPEAKER_01]: Robotics doesn't kill it.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a little bit clearer in that path. [SPEAKER_01]: I think the HR industry is struggling with that. [SPEAKER_01]: In that, you know, the data we have is protected by [SPEAKER_01]: every government in the world for a bunch of max and laws. [SPEAKER_01]: I had to comply with that yet because of it at the same time. [SPEAKER_00]: So what do you see for the future and this technology and how should businesses prepare for it?

[SPEAKER_01]: I think what kind of like gaps are we used to call a gap once I was involved in a KTR data integration company there's the gaps are getting tighter, there's a gap or a person has to be within, that's going to remain, but how much does the technology grab along the way? [SPEAKER_01]: We're experimenting now with our own AI, and we find that we give it a task, it does it great. [SPEAKER_01]: We do it the same task a week later.

[SPEAKER_01]: I do it a little different because it's a party. [SPEAKER_01]: What people don't understand is that, okay, now I didn't do it right because it tried to be clover. [SPEAKER_01]: These are the things you have people watching. [SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of the transaction HR fasts look great, a new guy. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, hire somebody to fill out a bunch of gold for her. [SPEAKER_01]: I put him in payroll, I do everything I'm supposed to do.

[SPEAKER_01]: That would be good automated. [SPEAKER_01]: There's no doubt at all. [SPEAKER_01]: However, even being is probably going to be in the audit side of it, making sure that they actually get paid on time, they get paid right if not. [SPEAKER_01]: But it will take away what traditionally PPO's were in the past but become automated.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I would conclude from that then that companies that are not using or implementing this kind of technology will in the end not be as competitive. [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_01]: My father always said, be a head now behind, and that's what I've told my group here. [SPEAKER_01]: We're getting into the AI business, whether you all like it or not. [SPEAKER_01]: It might be a little terrifying to my employees as well.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I tell them, imagine we have the same number of employees that we do twice the work.

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