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Thank you so much watching Happy Monday, great hour of television. Wisharry good honor for going to the site of the conversation we've all been having for the past few days.
I'll get to that in a second. Including major breaking news.
This is going to be huge problems for the Prime Minister about where he was on Friday night when obviously he should have been in the air making his way back to Melbourne to visit the people in that synagogue. But first, obviously a third of Australia is trying to pay off its house. Another third have investment properties that presumably, of course are the ones represented by the thirty percent
of people who are renting. So let's say somewhere between half and sixty percent of all houses in Australia are focused on interest rates. Under this government, they've gone up not once, but twelve times since this bloke became Prime minister. And tomorrow the Reserve Bank has its final chance of
this year to take some of the pressure off home owners. Now, the reality is the per capita recession means they should be doing that, but because the inflation numbers are still too high and the inflation numbers that are so called coming down are artificially coming down because of things like the government using taxpayers money to make it seem like power.
Bills are coming down.
Michelle Bullet, the Reserve Bank governor, has made it very clear that she ain't for budging, So most likely the expectation is that nothing happens tomorrow. But I'm indebted to the work of the West Australian that broke down some numbers which account for the entire country.
But I have a look at this.
Some struggling homeowners have sold their properties after rosing interest rates pile an extra thirty eight thousand dollars on top of an average loan since twenty twenty two, since this mob came to power, an extra thirty eight thousand dollars on top of what you were already paying off. The research commission by the West Australian shows that those with average sized variable homelands of four hundred and thirty three thousand paid a total of sixty five thousand dollars in interest.
It's the first rate hike just before the last federal election. Twelve more since the last federal election. The mortgage comparison site finder well, they also crunch the numbers to reveal that thirty eight thousand dollars is the amount there was a result of the cumulative interest rate rises one before Albanize was Prime minister, twelve since he's become Prime minister, causing a one hundred and forty percent blowout in total repayments.
Again because of this scenario where core inflation is still nowhere near the two to three instead that is a little closer to three to four percent, because there's a whole collection of other things that the government has not artificially dropped. That's why the expectation is that nothing happens tomorrow and the pain continues.
A raid cut is not tipped for tomorrow.
In fact, most of the major banks predict we won't see any relief until the middle of next year.
First decision by the Reserve Bank tomorrow. At the last decision, market's economy say things are on hold. The big question now is when does it really feel conditions in Australia are such that it can start the cut rates. What's your own sense on that.
Yeah, well, I don't think it's going to be for a while yet, and I still don't think you can rule out the next movement rates paying up.
Of course, Warren Hogan has been consistently saying up is more likely than down for all of the obvious reasons. This is the true financial pressure and pain across millions of Australian households. Those who represent to unionized workers selling MacManus and the ACTU, well, they are now going directly after the Reserve Bank and its governor. Now remember laws are passed the Parliament to change the types of people
who make decisions on the Reserve Bank. This government has said that they want union officials, maybe in potentially selling McManus, deciding whether interest rates go up or not, and if she was in the room, she votes drop them.
Working people are urging them to cut interest rates. We're urging them to do that because too much pressure is on Australian working people at the moment, especially those people with moregs. And that's because the National Account showed last week that half of the cost of living pressures that are causing household spending to go backwards is because of housing costs, and that is something the RBA can address. They can address it in the next two days.
Likelihood is that they will remain deaf and in part because of the actions of the current government to the synagogue bobbing in Melbourne, the fire bombing, which of course is now referred to as a terrorist incident. Peter Dutton was at the facility today. You saw him being interviewed by my colleague and friend Charry Markson in the previous hour. Wholights of that up at Skye News dot com dot au.
But where's the Prime Minister. That's the alternative prime minister, that's the bloke who is currently level when it comes to the preferred prime minister.
But where is the actual Prime Minister?
Well, losing Canberda day making a series of national security announcements, but how could these not have been made from Melbourne. We've got nonsense from the Prime Minister today that the only reason he had to go to Canberra was so we could have the meetings have to be face to face police. We live in a world where it was run over the computer for a couple of years. This guy pretending that he doesn't have any path to where Peter Dupton was today earlier than later in the week, is.
Of course garbage.
Now this is what the Prime Minister had to say about why he is punting turning up at the venue until later in the week, when I'm assuming that their hope is that you are already thinking about the next cricket test, not whether the Prime Minister has turned up to a national event like this.
Because I had commitments in Perth. Be very clear, this happened very early Friday morning. We've had these meetings today. You can only be in the room here in Canberra getting national security briefings if you stick to the National Security Committee. I had the appointments in Perth. Obviously, I was there for three days. That was long a range.
Now I will trust people like my friend and colleague Peter Kretlin to be able to speak to this with greater specificity. But remember, until very recently, the Foreign Minister of Australia lived in Perth. Before that, the Opposition leader Kim Beasley lived in Perth. Presumably there is some sort of secure facility for people to be able to make the phone calls that the Prime Minister decided to make today or to have his face to face meetings today.
The reason he is delaying turning up at the venue is because he wants to make all of these announcements as a way of trying to temper what will inevitably some of the emotion that will be headed in his direction when eventually he turns up. But I'll have a feeling that the frustration that has been building for months with this Prime Minister, with the whataboutism, with the fifty
to fifty of Islamophobia and anti Semitism. Please But as I said, when this Prime Minister should have been on his private jet the second he heard about this on his way back to Melbourne directly or Canberra then Melbourne. The Prime Minister, of course, as you will have heard by now, spent about ninety minutes playing tennis. Now is he allowed to play tennis? Obviously, But this is the bloke who made quite a lot of noise about the priorities the previous Prime minister about what was or wasn't
urgent to go to. Now today he was out and about saying I needed to get some exercise. But we can park this now because there is some brand new reporting from Page Taylor uploaded one minute ago to The Australian's website. The Prime Minister did not get on a plane because on Friday night, mister Alberanezi was a star studded attraction, and he was the main attraction of the Federal Labor Business Forum's.
End of year networking event.
Mister Abernici spent the night with party donors just hours before briefings on the fire bombing and called Israeli President and the Israeli President over the incident. The Australian understands the drinks went for about ninety minutes. The event was designed to allow business to pay a premium to have access to senior ALP figures such as the Prime Minister, So that was.
Just before then.
Of course, the early hours of the morning we find out what has taken place, and even though the time zones might be different, news is instantaneous these days, and certainly when you are the Prime Minister, news travels even faster than at the speed of television, radio, all the internet.
Well.
The Cotterslow Tennis Club confirmed that they were made aware on Saturday at two pm that the Prime Minister would be turning up to play his tennis.
He arrived at about two point thirty. He stayed for two hours.
Now is this the only form of exercise that the Prime Minister possibly could have engaged with?
Of course not. Is this the only thing that he needed to do.
No, the reason he's in Perth is to make money for the Labor Party to make announcements like he did over the weekend post the fire bombing of one and a half million dollars to save sculpture, a sculpture by the sea. He then creates a scenario that should have been able to be done via emergency contact on the phone Friday, Saturday or Sunday. He waits to go to
Canberra on Monday. He then doesn't say when he's going to be turning up at the very same facility that is open to our cameras and the Opposition leader and therefore would be open to the Prime Minister. It's about priorities, and this Prime Minister knows that ever since the chanting on the steps of the Opera House the day after the attacks took place in Israel, that there has been a problem, one that he has not been willing to call out, one that he is pretending is equal on
all sides. Now again, for people that are half paying attention, those that are the genuine advocates of the Palestinian community who are here in Australia thinking about their people at home, or the Jewish community again back in Israel, my issues
are not with you. The issue here, however, is the string of behavior which was evident from that very night that people thought they could get away with it, in part because the police in New South Wales they told us openly, oh, there's just too many people to police. The Prime Minister did not speak with the same outrage that he does if a vote doesn't go his way
in the Parliament. We can see what the priorities were, and in Western Australia it was about saving sculpture by the sea and putting off important meetings until after the opposition had made the suggestion. Now this is a pattern of behavior because we're right back to the worst of
what happened. After the High Court made its decision about the person in definite attention, the Labor government decided to release all of those people, and it was the federal opposition who were the ones coming up with the answers. The government trying to turn around and big shot it and pretend that this is my first and final offer. I need to change it multiple times because the opposition
comes up with better ideas. Now this reminds me, of course, remember of Alice Springs when we were hot under the collar at the start of twenty twenty three, because of course there had been all of that, all of those problems in and around safety, and you know the story. The Prime Minister spend more time flying to and from than he did on the ground in Alice Springs, and
in a horrible coincidence, his priority was tennis. Three days at the tennis when he should have been in Ala Springs, two hours playing tennis with the beg end of town in Perth when he should have been on the private plane and coming back to at the very least Canberra, and then he should have been at the site of the fire on Sunday, definitely Monday, but now it's later
in the week. As for what has actually been stood up today, I can't fault what has been stood up today, but again it should have been stood up earlier in this whole process, let alone earlier this weekend. There is now going to be a Federal Police Task Force which will be able to travel around the country and start to link some of the events that we have all been watching in isolation since October twenty twenty three.
And today the AFP will expand its remit with the support of the Comwealth Government Special Operation Avelite will be an agile and experienced squad of canterterrorism investigators who will focus on threats, violence and hatred towards the Australian Jewish community and parliamentarians. In essence, they will be a flying squad to deploy nationally to incidents.
All right, last night I went through chapter in verse about some of the polling. All of that remains exactly the same and has frightened some labor people that I know in the past twenty four hours.
Will debate it all again in a couple of moments time.
But you also know that newspier which we briefly mentioned during the show last night, We've had a chance to dig through and it shows about how Australians feel about the Prime Minister's leadership versus Peter Dutton's. Now good for Peter Dutton is that ranked zero to one hundred, forty four percent of people say that the Prime Minister is
decisive and strong sixty percent of people. It's not a one hundred divided by those two people, it's just each of them get a score out of one hundred forty four percent for albit easy on, decisive and strong sixty percent. For Dutton has a vision for Australia Albanezi fifty six, Dutton sixty one. Also here about whether they are likable or not, well, that's slightly better for the Prime Minister at fifty five percent, Peter Dutton at forty and trustworthy
at forty six to forty one. So that in part is where you'll see the election campaign being fought. One wants to be strong and decisive with the vision for the country. The other's going to be, well, don't you.
Just want to have a beer?
I'm the more likable is when you've got interest rates that have been where they are for the past twelve months, cost of living that's been ignored for the best part of three years, the third Christmas in a row, where people struggle, three million people this close to homelessness. People don't care about how nice you are. But there is a phenomena that I wanted to talk about from inside the Resolve poll that I noticed yesterday, but I wanted
to save till today because it deserves its own compensation. Now, if you have a look at the primary vote again, what is worrying people is the primary vote of the Labor Party is twenty seven percent. Now, that is down six percent on the twenty twenty to election. Now what is a concern for the l and P or the Liberal National Party is that their vote is only up two percent. The Greens level one nation up to independence they are now up six from the last election, and
others is down four from nine to five. So let's look here. I've seen a massive walk away from the Labor Party. A bit of it goes to the Liberal Party. But I want to show you where people are parking their vote. Let's move to the next one here, guys, which is people who say they're going to be voting independent at the next election. Now, a six percent increase means this is new vote on top of a lot
of stuff that's been around in the past. Three and a half percent increase in New South Wales, look at that number in Victoria. Now the Labor Party vote in Victoria is down by almost that margin. And in Queensland, where there are no independence Off the top of my head, who are even in the Federal Parliament, that vote has gone from two percent of the last election to now eight percent, up six. Now, of course independent might mean
lots of things and lots of places to say. In New South Wales it may well mean the Teals that are in the eastern suburbs of Sydney or on the northern beaches of Sydney. In the western suburbs, it could be people like die Lee. Of course was the kkkiller, as communities have had an of Sussex Street or Central Casting telling them who should be their representative as opposed
to somebody who is of them being their representative. Independent in Victoria, of course, could mean Zoey Daniel in Goldstein, or it could be Manique Ryan there in Couyon. Or it could also be three new people who pop their head up over the weekend and it's a new party called the West Party and they are specifically going to challenge Labor in seats like Marabanong, which of course is going to be up for grabs after Bill Shorten leaves
the Parliament. So the central question of when we start to work out what is going to happen at the next federal election is that there is no doubt that the Labor Party vote is absolutely tanking, and in any other circumstance you would be talking about the Liberal or National Party maybe being able to win ninety plus seats when they only need seventy six in the Parliament, like a huge.
Sort of Abbot style tidle wave.
But because people aren't going directly from Labor to Liberal, people on the center left of politics think, well, these people are just parking their vote with an independent and when worse comet it's to worse. They might vote independent, but they'll definitely preference Labor, which is why there has to be serious effort at this election from the major
political parties. But in this case, I would say the LNP to be able to affect the change that they want, which is Labor Party MPs to lose their seats with the ob section with the exception of the Greens, to start doing smart preference deals. It's also to educate people that whatever you do with your number one vote, your number two vote is just as important. Put simply, if you are somebody who wants to see the end of this government, we've all heard the new version of MAGA
being make Albow go away. If you want that to happen, well, then you have to preference the LNP is the alternative government over the Labor Party, and you have to do it with greater priority. Otherwise you can end up with an independent member of Parliament, and of course that is just a recipe for minority disaster in both directions against You're right to vote how in which way you want. I'm just saying the lot of us sit here and go, well, hang on, look at the fifty to fifty. You'll look
at the fifty one to forty nine. That calculation is based off what happened to the last election with people's preferences. But if you've got and if we can bring back that graphic guys, which was the independent vote nationally and state by state, When you've got huge swayes like one in ten or even higher than that, moving two independents across the country, particularly in places like Victoria, put a pin in that one, because we're going to have to
work out what does independent mean? Does independent mean deals? They'll say that that's what it means, because they are, of course the ones with all the media mates. But are there a bunch of other localized independence like a dial legue that are not on our radar yet? If you know a local independent who is running for federal Parliament and you think they might be behind the surge and the state where you live. Send me an email Paultzgunews dot com dot au be fascinated to know what
they think about. But also, speaking of polls, let's talk about the political parties and at the end of year a performance review about how they have performed. Readers of the Australian Financial Review they were asked about which political party have performed well in the past twelve months. The Labor Party well basically where it's primary voters, with twenty six percent of people saying that they had performed well,
a little under their primary voters. The Coalition at thirty three, a little over their primary voters, the Greens at eighteen, the Independence again basically where we expect them to be, and a collection of people who have no idea what's going on at the moment. But there is absolute uniformity here, regardless of where you sit on the political spectrum. Which political party or group do you think has done the worst job in the past twelve months? The Greens forty
six percent, forty six percent. Now, of course the Labour people think they've done a terrible job because they've gotten the way of many things Labour want to do. Coalition people can't stand them because of course they are the nut as at the end of the garden and the headline reads tonight that the Greens are the worst political performance of twenty and twenty four asterisk with the exception
of the Primate ministry. We talk on the show a lot about school classrooms and disciplining classrooms, and not because I want everyone to get a cane and jeezs wasn't a good when we went to school compared to the reality is the kids aren't right. We've discussed that on many levels and one of the reasons that our school performance has been absolutely ditching, regardless of the money, is that we do not empower our teachers to have control
of the classrooms. A shocking example about what is coming their way is, of course, the OECD report that showed that when it comes to bad behavior that Australia is one of the.
Worst in the world.
And today in the Courier Mail work cover claims for physical and mental harm of teachers as well as principles is through the roof.
How's this well?
The two and a half thousand or two thy four hundred work cover claims have laid bare the shocking number of teachers and principles being bitten, kicked, punched, spat on head, buttered and scratched by students in Queensland schools. Between July one, twenty three and fifteen July twenty four, more than eighteen point seven million dollars has been paid out in compensation.
The top ten claims alone were worth one point six million, with seven of those related to psychological trauma, anxiety or stress. Four of the ten were principles. The highest claim was two hundred and twenty seven thousand dollars and therese were principals ongoing sustained trauma with repeated exposure to occupational violence over many months. We need to re empower the teacher and the principal to be in charge of their classroom.
And part of that is when your kid cops of punishment from school, you should cop it on the chin.
Two.
Now, this is where we were brought up slightly differently, but I think there is some method in whatever collective manness there was in the past as gen X kids or baby boomer kids, which is that if the school gave you a punishment, your mum and dad never turned around.
And said, well sorry, sorry, what's the teacher's name.
I'm going to.
Charge up to school and yell at them like a mechanic who somehow had bucked up your car. Now you're backed in the teacher, You're backed in what they wanted to do when it came to discipline. That's something that definitely needs to be put in place in my view, further into the future here in Australia, let's talk about the monarch in King Charles and of course the coronation that we celebrated just a couple of years ago. And part of being the sovereign the king is that bloody
big crown that you get to wear. Now this is the mega big super one that you don't have to wear when you go to Parliament. But King Charles has done an interview with some documentary that will be coming out sooner rather than later, and he has revealed that he was anxious about his crown and that it would wobble on his head during coronation day. So he tells a story about his mum. Well, he remembers that she was getting ready to practice with the Sir Edwards crown,
which was a solid gold old frame. It's the most important and sacred of the crown jewels. It's twice as heavy as the Imperial Crown, which, as I said, is the one that you wear to Parliament. Charles said he could vividly recall in the lead up to his mother's coronation. He remembers it so well because my sister and I had bath time in the evening. My Mamma used to come up at bath time wearing the crown to practice,
because you have to get used to how heavy it is. Oh, how hea heavy is the crown, etc.
Etc.
Strengthen the love to the Australian sporting legend, and I mean that literally. She is an Australian legend according to the Australian Sports Hall of Fame and anyone else who loves Dawn Fraser. Her exploits in and around the Tokyo Olympics and other Olympic venues absolutely legendary and a true passionate part of the Australian sporting community. And of course a boo main girl. Well, she had a fall recently at home. She lives up Noosom now I think, and
she's deep into her eighties. She had a whole collection of injuries. She actually ended up going to intensive care but she's out of it now. So all the best to beautiful Dawn and of course her family. And finally, we've spoken so much about Donald Trump this year, one last thing before we finish up, before the end of the year. We'll have a bit more to say with that, Meg and Kelly and Nigel feras is our week rolls on.
But one of the things that of course was absolutely clear was how crazy the media went saying anything they could about Donald Trump before the election. This was the equivalent of yelling fire in a crowded theater.
But now I realize he's a total fascist.
He is the most dangerous person to this country, a fascist to the core. This afternoon, the Post had taken this dramatic step, issuing a full throated, full page, possibly unprecedented anti endorsement of Donald Trump.
Donald Trump tried to steal our democracy and he's still trying to.
Do it now.
Most of that stuff comes from the cable version of
NBC MSNBC, so it did raise a few eyebrows. The first interview that he has done since that incredible comeback, that incredible election victory more than a month ago, was to the Freedware channel version of NBC and Kristen Walker, who is the host of Meet the Press, and she seems to not have learned any lessons about the media, asking stupid questions that clearly are all about trapping the bloke when all of that was rejected by the American people.
I don't have to tell you this because you've talked about it. It comes at a time when the country is deeply divided, and now you're going to be leading this country for the next four years. For the sake of unifying this country, will you concede the twenty twenty election and turn the page on that chapter. No, you want to see childhood vaccines eliminated, so you think Liz Cheney should go to jail. Studies show that there is no link between vaccines and artism.
Seriously, he expressed the reset button. You're exactly where you were the day before the election, assuming that he was going to be politically removed from the equation.
Ridiculous.
All right, my apologies have been a little bit woolle for some reason. I'm as Crooker's rook with this evening. I don't know what's going on, but we will push through. What do we say, don't test, don't tell that's the way right, more in a secure on Paul Parray like thanks for watching, all right, very excited for his own health. Sam Crosby has been told to go upstairs and I appreciate it. This way, nothing catches, but she is. That
bead's looking good, mate, That beard's looking fantastic. Matt Canavan, he's got a beard ready for after the election, regardless of what the result is. Loving to see you both, all right, Sam. I'm going to start with you and about my take on what we should be paying a little bit more attention to in the polls. Is Labour's vote down, Buddy Oath, way down, absolutely enough for it
to get smash an election, you bet you. However, coalition ever so slightly up, not as close to you know, they're closer to a forty the not they're in a better position they were at the last election. Blah blah blah blah blah. But what about that independent factor, because I don't know what independent means in Queensland. I know that in certain places it means teals and other places it means die leegue.
Do you see this?
And from the Labor perspective, is this the silver lining in the polls that they haven't fully crossed the road yet.
Look, Paul, I don't know if there's many silver linings in those poles that came out today. Look, you are a big believer in the detail of these poles. I tend to think that they more sort of give you a vibe and a general impression of what people are thinking, and it's not really worth delving three or four lines deep in the data, and you know, Look, to be fair,
I'll get in before Matt can make the point. I think it's telling the government that people are pretty pissed off and they want to see them do more and do better to address the cost of living crisis that I think we all are experiencing. And I think they're sending that message loud and clear.
You know.
I think they're also saying they're not entirely happy with the opposition. They don't want to reward Peter Dutton with their vote just yet, and they're unsure. So yeah, that might be one of the reasons that they're pumping up the tie the Independence and the minor parties. But I think it's a sobering message for the government.
Well said my friend, I know how hard that is. And what your cop saying it. But I appreciate you saying it, and you're calling it straight, and that's why we love you. Matt again, right, I mean we've talked before. Is it's one of those moments where I'm wobbling around.
I've gone into the reeds.
I've gone so far off track that I'm looking into the minutia, when the reality is there is a north star and all you can do is keep walking towards the north star.
No, I think you're pretty spot on here, Paul. I think people are up for grabs. They're clearly disappointed with the current government. They're clearly underwhelmed with what they see as an inadequate response I think to the very significant challenges. I mean, there's no doubt it's very hard time for governments to be in charge. Lots of things happening all around the world, the challenging recovery from COVID. But the simple fact is this government hasn't come up to the
mark of those challenges. It can engine whine all it likes, but it comes with the pay grade.
It comes with being in government.
You're tested on whether you can respond to such challenges, and clearly this government has been found wanting many times on that. So people are up for grabs, and I do keep saying of citizens program before, we've got to be up to the test then of showing people that
we've got an alternative. My view is to knock off a first term government, you have to have a very clear set of differences from the current government, because if you're just a small target, if you're too much of the same, people are probably going to default back to thinking, well, maybe the better the devil.
I know. So look, that's a challenge for us.
I've got lots of ideas how we could make those differences of just a mere backbench of though Paul the smarter people in May rounds. But that's a challenge for us. It's up for grabs. People are up for grabs. We can definitely win this thing and I don't think we should die wanting.
Well.
Also, you know again one without noticing, though, Matt, which is that when I tell you the reporting of the Australian newspaper that after the fire bombing of the synagogue run than the Prime Minister getting his personal plan didn't have to wait for one that was coming out of the airport at you know, I in two hours could get on his personal plate flown straight into Melbourne, but of course didn't. Instead, the next day, after going to
the fundraiser, that's when he calls the tennis club. That's when he having a jolly old time. He'll get round to the national security of everything. This on top of a whole collection of everything from upgrade albow to the house to the cost of living stuff. The voice the bloke is absolutely at the other end of where people are.
It's pretty simple, regardless of whether it was any sort of place of worship when it's been sent on fire, if you've got the chance to be there, get off your arms and go there as soon as possible.
Look, it's a pretty simple one, isn't it, Paul. You've outlined it well and I think the most important thing you've said there is this not the first radio for the Prime minister. We saw the same situation with the other Springs Laura and Order crisis, where he decided to have I think three nights at the tennis. Still lots of nights at the tennis, not spend the night now the springs. Now he's playing tennis instead of showing leadership
on a shocking event that's rocked our nation. Look at this event alone is unlikely to win, to lose the election. But as I say, just seem to have a prime minister that misses so many opportunities to show leadership for the country, to.
Build unity among us all at times of this.
So look, I think a lot of labor people are scratching their heads about that, wondering whether the Prime Minister is a bit absent minded at the moment. As it comes back to me though to say, Look, I can wind all night about Anthony Albanezi, but we've just got to make sure we get ourselves in order because I think this train people deserve a proper choice. I do think we need a change of government, and I want to not leave anything out in the field in the pursuit of delivering that change.
Yeah, I mean, Sam, I'm going to again and maybe it's just whatever the heck is going on inside me right now, but there is just again a little moment of caution here right that I remember how hardcore myself included. You know, he doesn't remember what the unemployment rate is all of this and then ultimately, of course irrelevant to
the to the final outcome. The belief was that those who talk about news all day every day were completely somewhere else than where the people were, which was that already made their decision and it didn't matter what happened. And again there is no there is no verbal trap at the end of this question which results in me pointing and using terms.
But what do you think.
About the series of choices? I mean, is the prom minister right to say, Look, I've dealt with this. The AFP are up and running. I have done everything that's been asked to me, perhaps not the exact words at the exact time, but I've got there. Or is there just the inevitable bad look of things that's really hard to deal with.
Look, I think you can analyze these things, you know, till the till the cows come home. It generally all conflates and contributes to a general feeling. But I think over the next couple of months you're going to see the contrast between the two leaders be brought into stark relief. You know, both parties are going to be saying, on the one hand, this is either a choice between from the conservative side, has the government done a good job and deserved to be re elected or from the government side,
who do you want Peter Dutton or Anthony Alberinezi. I also have to say, you know, Matt just made me think. Then in one of his earlier answers, I think this is also a team question. I think this is a question about who's on the front bench and measure them up, you know, go down the list, and I have to say, I mean, you know, who am I to give the opposition any advice? But why isn't Matt on the front bench? Yes, you know, I think Matt feel free not to respond
to this choice. You possibly don't want me saying this, but Matt is one of the more effective commentators, more effective communicators rather in the.
Government.
And I look down the list of people on the shadow benches and frankly, with the exception of a couple, they're nowhere. They're nowhere compared to the government. So you know, I do sort of think the opposition has to get its own house in order before they start measuring up the curtains in the lodge.
Now, matn what about that for a Christmas card? It's come all the way from you know, Sky News.
How I need I haven't done. I haven't started Christmas cars. You're on the list, now, mate, you'll get one.
He's on the list. I mean, look, are you playing a long game? You want to get there, you don't want to get there. All the whole point is is it's more fun to be.
Able to I'm quite happy many times, but I'm quite happy doing what I'm doing. The main reason I'm I'm not not not myself putting my hand up is because I don't believe this net zero missions rubbish and the government of the government and the opposition to sign up to that. And the deal is if you join a cabinet, obviously you've got to have solidarity with the decisions. I don't agree with it, and I'll keep campaigning against it.
I mean, last week I just exposed that the carbon tax and the government's net zero missions modeling, this is their model, the Strategy Market Operators modeling. They show that you need a carbon tax of two hundred and sixty two dollars in today's dollars to get to net zero emissions by twenty fifty. It's absurd, it's mad. They have been very sneaking about providing that number to wrench it out of them. As a Senate inquiry because once you say it, you realize that why are we doing this?
It's so expensive to everybody to charge a two hundred and sixty dollars carbon tax. So that's the main reason I'm not just not interested. I want to try and fight for the continuation of our manufacturing industry, our global energy competitiveness, and I can't do that if I'm muzzled by cabinets decided to sign up to this global rubbish.
There was a headline today had a double check Yes. Apparently a plan for the government to be able to turn down things like your air conditioning because you're using too much power at a time when the rest of the grid needs it. Matt tell me some of the details of how this works, because I know for some customers in Queensland this is a deal. But how the hell do you end up signing yourself up to these systems and are they opt in opt out? How do
you end up in this little trap? Because I want to stay as far away from it as possible.
Look to my knowledge, so far they've been opted in.
There's lots of different companies though around Australia, so there can be a variety of different contracts here.
But yes, you can. With smart meters these days and smart.
Home household appliances, you can from a central location control your air conditioning, your.
Pool filters, other equipment.
And notionally, why you would sign up to this is that you potentially will get a cheaper electricity rate by signing away your rights to manage your own house.
On any given day, so any particular time.
If if the grid then is over run with demand or short supply, you can have your stuff turned off.
The regulars are already doing this at a wholesale level if you like so. Aluminium smelters and factories are often turned down to keep the lights on. They were last week or a week and a half ago down in Sydney. That happened.
They signed up to that at a whole sal level if you like large users. But the idea is this could be rolled out in a household level to individual Australians. Now, my view is it seems very strange in a country blessed with so many ensuy resources that we.
Have, why do we need to ration our energy career? Is wasn't something we had to do. We just turned the light on, Like your dad would get.
Upset that, you know you wasting money with rooms with lights on and that, and that was fair enough, but it didn't break the bank. You know, you weren't putting it risk of your parents' mortgage by leaving a light on in your room.
And so I just don't understand.
To me, it's a clear demonstration of the failings of the government's plan to.
Go to eighty two percent renewables.
We just can't deliver the kind of lifestyle that our parents and grandparents took for granted here and I don't want to deliver it well to my kids. That's that's not as nice to live in. And I think that would be not a nice place to live in. To the government control your own.
Home, spoken like the true loving father that you are, Sam equally loving father. Just these schemes again, if there's a little trade off of alue might save something slightly somewhere else. But it is just a little bit creepy, isn't it.
No, it is it is a little bit creepy. I think central to the promise is that it has to be opt in. The second they start trying to make this in any way mandatory or take the control away from people, is just it's gone. I didn't think this was an official government policy, but I might have been.
Off the mark on that. But look, I mean, you know, with some of.
The state governments so pushing it. No, it's not right. It's done by the states largely, right, But we talked about this before. I mean, you know, central to the promise of decarbonizing the grid has to be and you know we'll see in ten years time, in fifteen years time if this is right. It has to be cleaner, yes, but also cheaper and reliable. If you can't get that holy trinity, then you know people aren't going to aren't going to cop it.
And I know what Matt's going to say. He's going to say power prices, blah blah blah. But obviously we are on a journey. Obviously we have to find a way to replace these aging and decrepit old coal fired power plants. So you know, how are we going to do that? What's the cheapest and most efficient way to do that? But central to that has to be we've got to be able to keep the lights on.
Yeah, it is fascinating new.
Coal fire power stations.
That's what the CSIRO report today shows that new coal is the cheapest you look at the detail. New coal is actually the cheapest.
A new CEO coming representing the colin and she will have a chat to him a little bit later in the week. Shout out by the way to Boyd, Boyd who was called at.
The last minute round of my joint.
Never met him before to help fix my conditioning on this super stinky day.
That's the day that it conked Boyd.
He was there and it wasn't because of the TV and he just a good and decent man. Thank you very much. I appreciated. I'll look forward to re mortgaging the house to inevitably if jeez, that's expensive, isn't it? The air conditioning business.
That's the one.
All these people who decided to go off and become marketing majors barger that go and go and pick up an amma because there's plenty more cash to be made. But anyway, Boyd, I love your mate, all the best of your son as well, who I know Watchers, and I look forward to seeing you around the house again in a couple of weeks.
Time right, quick break.
Back with more loss to talk about here on Paul Murray Live, including winners, loses and a shout.
Out for the year.
Here with that none other than the one I should get the product placement out of the way.
It's how I'm getting through the hour. Sam Crosby and with Matt Canavan.
Love you to see them both here and you get a little mushy at the end here, You guys have been awesome all year. I appreciate the debate. More importantly, I appreciate the friendship both on and off the air. I love you, blokes, and I look forward to seeing you again next year. So let's talk about that. There are thirty public servants in the Australian government that earned more than one million dollars. Now, Sam, we've heard before.
Oh you know, we need to have it all in house because otherwise it ends up being spent on outhouse consultants. But this is double what the Prime minister gets paid. Oh, but we need to make sure that we pay commercial rates to people, so the best possible people in the private sector work for the government sector. No, no, public service is supposed to be partly vocational. Instead we're trying to turn around and say no, you know what, double I am sick of this logic that results in a
public servant complicated as the task may be. But the Prime Minister's paid half or sorry about six hundred. Now they get paid a million.
Come off.
I could not agree more. Paul.
A million dollars stretches and breaks the bounds of credulity when it comes to public service. The idea is that you are meant to be there to serve the public, not to get paid commercial rates, you know. And if you're going to get paid commercial rates, then don't take your public service medal, you know, don't take your Order of Australia medal when you're earning essentially you would be
earning in the private sector. And while we're on it, I don't think you should be earning that sort of money in the private sector, just by the buy How if you're owning a company, and if you're you've invested in a company and you're you've built a company out yourself, fine, But.
If you're a.
But if you're you're are.
You seeing solinarity forever?
My god, that's my gift to you from all of us here at BW Yeah.
Hall, Seriously, you know, how do you justify a million dollars a year? It's just crazy.
Well, if you're linked to profit. I mean, I get how in the private sectate you end up there right where, but of course compared to the average work completely with you, right, But in terms of those government salaries, wouldn't it be fascinating to see somebody with a set of stones walking to the Parliament and say we're hereby say that every single member of the public service the top rate of
pay is peg to that of the Prime Minister. Now, of course that would be the department because because we have this absurdity where you've got the deep state, the public servants, the permanent class in places like who say when you walk in as the mining minister or Allen's he going to be for? Oh yeah, we like some of that, don't like some of that, slow plow all the rest of it. And they get paid more than you. And you're the one who's been sent into the room on our behalf.
Matt, Look, I'm going to be the devil's advocate here. I don't really have too much of a problem with the pay for good people. I mean, now, joke noble is I mean people work at camera about half of them, about half of them, and you want the half that are working to be paid well and be good leaders. I mean, I think we can all get very worked up about this. But if you take that table, it's about thirty of them, some of a bit of above a million, about million to two million. So you look
at about fifty million dollars there in salaries. This government in just two years has increased the size of public service service by almost thirty thousand public servants. That's costing the Australian tax paid nearly six billion dollars a year. More so those that we're going to have a big controversy r it's probably on the front page or some of the tabloids.
That's fifty million.
The thirty thousand nameless public servants that aren't really I suppose as sexy tabloid news is.
Five billion, one hundred times the cost. That's the issue.
The issue in the public service is the bloated middle management filled with people who do not have a lot of.
Jobs to do with.
They made up jobs to expand people's empires and that is what costs this strange people out of money. So if I could hire ten or twenty elon musks who know how to run an organization to run.
It leanly, I do that in a heartbeat.
But the people that are bloating these middle managements, the people that are bloating there and what did you say, Empire building, they're the ones getting paid a million bucks.
Well that's the problem.
But that you're not going to fix that by by the suggestion that you cap the top people's salary to five hundred thousand dollars. That's not to make the difference. That's not going to get rid of the blinding, will probably just increase it. So, yes, you're going to get the.
Right people in there. There's noted about that.
Although the thirty thousand extra public servants, the buck's got to stop with the government and the ministers. You've got control over your department, how much is allocated to staffing where that's where things have to be taken seriously.
And look, there's no doubt that.
I mean, I think politicians are underpaid for what they do, but I don't think they deserve more pay because I agree with you it should be a public service. It should be something that you do for a public service. In my role, I'm not so sure the leadership of public servant departments. I think those days are gone, Paul, that we somehow attract people to those roles that are some sort of duty bound nature to the commonwealth we need to pay for excellently.
I get so, all right, let us get to it here. We're not a loser of the year, Sam Crosby win or a loser of the year maybe both who stands out for you.
I don't want to do loser of the year. It's you know, that's bad, right, Like I like the Democratic Party and I don't therefore want to I don't want to engage in that.
Wine of the year. You've got to.
Say, either a combination of Donald Trump, which just hurts even more.
How good say it again?
Or I mean, you know.
The other one that is a little bit out of left field is the AI chip company in the video that I think you've seen. You know, no company in economic history, in world history, has ever grown as fast as they have in twelve months. I don't think they're going to keep going. And I don't own any shares in it, just to say we're talking, but I do not in anything, just for the record, but watching that company just explode in valuation has just been phenomenal.
Yeah.
Essentially, these are people who made a computer chip for previously computers using gaming, and then they worked out that chip's good for AI. The explosion of AI, the explosion of that company to the moon, Matt, who is it for you?
Win or a loser?
Look at cargo past? Donald Trump is the whinever is Sam? Got another one?
I allowed as a corollary elon Musk there.
I mean he put everything on the line.
There's note if the Democrats were elected, he could have faced financial ruin, possibly possibly had serious legal issues on his plate as well. But the total opposites have means now in the halls of power, companies are up in value.
It's an amazing turnaround. And the loser.
Look, I won't pick an individual, but I just think the whole work industry, if you like, is the loser, which obviously is another consequence of the Trump a bad
year for work. Trump victory has helped do that. But I think just more generally, there's a massive backlash emerging among young people in particular against the propaganda being shut down their throats, and I think the politicians that don't realize that are going to be rudely get rudely awakened in the elections to come, because I think there's a whole army of young people are just against being served rainbow diet day and day out. We just they just
want to get back to basics. So if you saw a poll today show that young people now for young people, cost of living is the highest priority. Is taken over from climate the last election for the first time since then. Things are turning around big time for young people, and any political movement where there's worth a salt has to move with them.
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Borrow and I get
Ready for the lake to bake.