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Paul Murray Live | 9 April

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Paul Murray breaks down the key moments from tonight’s Treasurers’ Debate, Liberal candidate Ro Knox’s posters are defaced with Nazi symbols. Plus, old online posts resurface to trouble Teal hopeful Alex Dyson.

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Speaker 1

From the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Sherry, thank you very much, James and everyone else who's watching us right now. I do appreciate it. Welcome and come along to the man Cave, because one heck of a night we've got for you tonight. Fine night, Team Red, Team Blue. They're gonna go in hard bug of the polls, forget the bookies. They both think there's a chance of winning their teams of this election. Side brombership,

Stephen Conroy and some fun. It doesn't get better than Megan Kelly and she is on the show tonight from the United States.

Speaker 2

It's all astro turf. They have these professional protesters who they call up and they're like, okay, this weekend, it's DC, Okay, what's the cause? Hands off? Oh is that a me too thing? I like the new messaging. No, it's about doge what okay? Just get out there and look angry. I'm on it. And that's what happens.

Speaker 1

And the next big event is, of course tomorrow National Press Club when it comes to the energy ministers, and then get ready, sparks will fly. No one will pull a punch. They'll hit as hard as possible in the Mavericks debate. The pub test that will be done from Tweedtheads, Mighty Tweeedtheads. It's in New South Wales. It's close enough to Queensland. So Matt Canavan, Bobcatter, Pauline Hansen, they are

going to be juking it out. Pub test. It's skynews dot com dot are you if you can join us in the room Monday night at nine o'clock it's in Tweetheads pub test. It's skyews dot com that are you? What's your question for the people who you know will give the answers they want to, not the ones that the spin doctors or the media managers say are the right ones to give. They'll just give you the honest and the straight the Mavericks Monday Night. It'll be amazing.

Tell you one of my favorite things that we get to do of the campaign. Your chance to be in the room by sending me an email for next Monday with your question for Bobcatter, Pauline Hanson, Matt Canavan. Pubtest it's skynews dot com dot Au. Twenty four days to go in the electoral contest. It is thirteen days now less than two weeks before the first votes will be cast.

As I say, the majority of people will vote early this election, so the election will be in two parts, the one of the people who turn up before election day the people who turned up on election day. Which is why pretty much everything will be settled by the launches of the parties, which happen here on Sunday. Full coverage of course from dawn dell dusk and all in between when it comes to things here on Sky News.

As for what took place today, well, the Prime Minister he spent some time in Sydney before making his way up to the far north of Queensland. He was in Cans today. This is after well, just meeting the people, and by that I mean a pre arranged photo op pretending you went to the markets and mixed it up with people. The reality was of course all pre planned about who you shake your hands, that's the way it works.

And of course once he got to Queensland, there's only one way to win an election, and that's by one right.

Speaker 3

We will provide two hundred and forty five million dollars for a new Barren River Bridge on the Kennedy Highway and to all of those that.

Speaker 1

Are keeping score about who is spending what and who is promising. Can you include every promise that's been made since the start of the year, because though those are the big ones, those are where the billions of dollars are, and thankfully we're keeping track of the more than forty five billion dollars were the promises that had been made by this bloke so far.

Speaker 3

A seven point two billion dollar announcement today five million dollars, ten million dollars, two hundred million dollars, three billion dollars, three hundred and fifty million dollars, two billion dollars, thirty seven million dollar, eight hundred and forty two million dollar, two point four billion dollars, eight point five billion dollar, four point eight billion dollar, one billion dollars, three point four billion dollars, two point eight billion dollars, two hundred

million dollar, one hundred and fifty million dollars, one billion dollars, two hundred and forty five million dollars.

Speaker 1

Now, because we were focused on the People's Forum, which was awesome last night, didn't get a chance to tell you about something that happened on the trail yesterday, but it was so weird. I've got to show you tonight he was making an announcement when it comes to more support when it comes to mental health. You'll never hear me arguing aga against well treveling of every promise that gets made by all sides. You can't throw enough at

the resourcing here. But one of the people who was brought along as a backup for the Prime Minister to say his plan was fantastic is the former Strainer of the Year, Professor Patrick mcgory. Now I love this bloke. He and he and Hickey the professor have done great things with the organization headspace. And he was asked a question that was meant to be a knockout blow on the behalf of the Labor Party. Instead the Professor, well, he hit right back and it ended up being well this.

Speaker 4

Do you think going into this selection that the coalition has a worse mental health policy on the table. Do you think they're going to cut mental health spending?

Speaker 1

I know, I don't think they will. I think the problems has already mentioned that this is generally speaking a bipartisan achievement of our country. Aunt well done, professor Pat. He's not going to get pushed around. He's the type of person who, like many mental health advocates, are going to go anywhere where somebody's going to promise more resources. But he's not going to get involved in the politics that's saying this side that's yes, lots of money on

the table. And good on him for having the courage as he does to stand up in front of the nation's press, in front of the Prime minister and tell the truth, not to propagate the political lies. As for the opposition leader, and I'll get to his emotional twenty four hours in a moment's time, he made a major announcement today and that was how many people will they cut immigration by? The number is.

Speaker 5

Are you still committed to that one hundred thousand deeper cut?

Speaker 6

And if so, yeah, so in relation your question is in relation to the non we can reduce the non by one hundred thousand.

Speaker 1

All right? Well, as always the media, well they have to spin it one way. Why because they like the

arrangements they currently have. They like the relationships with the side of politics that they probably vote for, if not most likely the ones that the Greens give their preferences to, that of course, being the Labor Party every single day, no matter the city, in a manga matter the location, the people who should be holding his feet to the fire, who should be calling bs, not because they're lefties or righties,

but because that's the job of interrogating. When somebody stands up with the policy, find the way to pick the hole in it, or when they turn around and say we're definitely going to do this thing that we haven't done for the past three years, point out, why haven't youve done it for the past three years? Oh no, this mob is just rolling along doing the pr for the bloke.

Speaker 7

We're in an area that has been l and p harhland for a long time. Does Labor intend to take this back?

Speaker 4

Since we last spoke. President Trump has also said that his had world leaders on the phone to him, quote kissing his ass. You haven't been one of them? Are you now vindicated field decision not to pick up the phone and call him, as Peter Dunton has been questing.

Speaker 1

Please, But of course, for Peter Duddon, he's not allowed to have stopped the bleeding at the People's Forum like many people believe he has. They're not allowing him to get out of first gear. They won't let him get on the attack because if he gets on the attack, then he could disrupt their comfortable little arrangement with the handsome boy that China loves.

Speaker 6

What is your response to concern that you're not taking a comprehensive economic manifesto to the election, all laid out how you're going to tackle structural deficits at spending.

Speaker 1

Are you concerned that talking about of migration might hurt you in these restless, inny multicultural seats that you need to remp is the earliest people will see retail gusts and electricity prices go down under yours. You know, I love this game. For three years. Every single time I have talked about the need for the cut in immigration, I say what I truly believe. But it is an important thing to say each and every time. It's not about who comes, It's not about from where they come.

It's not about from what they believe. It is about adding the best part of two million people to every queue that exists in Australia, from a childcare center to ambulance ramping, to rental cues to people putting their hands up to buy a house. That's why you have to pump the brakes now. You can't go all the way to zero. Why because you do have to make sure that you have people who have practical skills to be

able to come to the country. But you have to reduce the number because the infrastructure does not match the record number of people that have been brought in by this government. Peter duddon last night before the nation's eyes, made it very clear that it wasn't some dog whistle about they're the wrong color, they believe in the wrong thing, they speak a different language. No, heylike any sensible reasonable person understands, and in a nation of immigrants, immigrants are

the past, present future of the country. We should all adhere to the idea that the Lord of the land is more important than every faith. But again that's not part of the conversation. The reason immigration needs to be cut back is because of every single person that is added to every single thing that you q for at every point of the day, from how long the traffic jam is to how many people are competing for a rental home. That's why it matters, and that's why Peter

Dutton is in exactly the right place. This idea that to mention it somehow is having a go at people of different cultures is garbage and it is a perfect example about how the media loves to spin the ball, surprisingly always to the left. Now, let's talk about the incredible emotion of the past twenty four hours for Peter Dutton. Andrew Bolt told us just before the debate last night about what the turmoil was that Peter Dutton was dealing with, because,

as you know, his dad had had a heart attack. Now, in that moment, when your dad is of a certain age and you get news like that, you don't know what the next call is going to be after that. For him to be able to go out there and perform the way that he did is an absolute credit to him as a human being, regardless of eating in a vote for him or not vote for him, whether you hate him on TikTok, or whether you love him on Facebook. That was a strong example of the type

of pressure test that a prime minister has to go under. Thankfully, Bruce apparently is okay, but for anyone who's had to go through something like that, well you can imagine how difficult it was. And he spoke about that today.

Speaker 6

Look, I spoke to dad this morning and thank you for a question and asking about him. He's doing well, he's stoic, he's a tough bugger, he's looked tired all of his life, and he's been an amazing dad. So yeah, of course you think about him.

Speaker 1

But he's yeah, he's fine, he's doing well. Thank you, really nice. Right again, whether you're going to vote for him or not, you're like it. But that was a lovely human moment, right And as a teen a second, a lot of undecided voters, they know the difference between the genuine person who they may amy not vote for and the slick BS machine that currently is on track

to being able to hold on to government. But I've got to say I thought about Peter and his father today because my little girl had the Easter hat parade at her school and I'm pleased to say that my dad Ken was with me. And I am very, very lucky to be somebody who is able to spend time with their dad, who's always had a great relationship with their and I know there's lots of people who don't, but it is yet again a reminder to us that if you've got dad around, reach out, make the time

because dads are awesome. Dads have sacrificed. I know when it came to my father and when I was born and they wanted to get a new Telly. He didn't just work one job. He didn't work two job, he worked three. I know how hard he worked to make sure that we had a roof over our head and meal on the table. And I know the traditional Australian values that he has instilled in me that I show

you on this program Easion every night. So Kenny Dog, I love you, and the Kenny Dogs all over Australia, we love you, and we promise plenty more time, not just text and phone calls. Let's hang out more often. I love you Dad. It was so good for you to be there, and Zadi just absolutely loved it as as she did as well. But then let's get to a pretty low moment from the media today. This was a question that was asked by a Channel seven reporter. And I'm not even going to try to do the

benefit of the doubt. Now, the question had been asked, the answer he been given. But this reporter from Channel seven decided to ask this question this way to a bloke whose father had just had a heart attack and worst case scenario may well have not made it through last night.

Speaker 8

Campaigns are pressure events for candidates like yourself, but their pressure events for families of candidates too. Do you worry your dad is not being helped and might even have been harmed by the fact that he's worried about you?

Speaker 1

I'm sorry, it's a despicable question. I mean, do they hate him so much that now they blame him for his father's heart attack. I show you this stuff each and every night because I want you to see how the sausage is made, and just like a butcher will tell you, it is not a pretty process. What were they trying to do? Were they trying to make him angry? Were they trying to make him cry? How is it acceptable that that is the question the way that it

was framed? Now, keep told that particular reporter is one of the better ones. Fine, fair enough, but that was a low blow that was unnecessary, and I can't imagine them reacting well if that question was asked to themselves that day after their own parent had an event that may well have killed them. It's just it's low. It's low, and believe it or not, there's another version of low

that I've got to talk about here. The People's Forum has been happening at sky News now for fifteen years, and for more than fifteen years, Sky News has been at the absolute heart of Australian politics. We are the channel that is on in the MP's offices, it's on in the CEO suites, and it's on at your place in suburban and regional Australia. Why because we care about the detail. Yes, here at night we push very hard when it comes to what we believe. But you know,

it is what we believe. So of those who don't work for this organization, they do everything they can to try to turn us into a caricature, something to be ignored, and they find a one hundred different ways to tell you why any and everything that appears here is something that you should ignore. Principally, it's because they hate the idea that we at times can be an absolute form of resistance to the march of the far left through

the cultural institutions and the political conversation. We are people who want to honor our fathers and grandfathers, mothers, grandmothers, and want to set up the best possible future for

our kids and grandkids. We want to make sure that whatever generation you are in, we're in a country that reflects the one that we always thought it would be, not one that people want to redesign, not because they think it's better, but because they think that it will create an endless dependence on the center left of Australian politics.

I hate that every time one of these people turn around and has a crack at us, because we defend the idea that Anzac Day ceremonies should be compulsory and there shouldn't be an opt out option like exists in some public schools going into this year. Oh, you're fighting a culture war. No, no, no, I'm sorry. We're pushing back. There are lines in the sand that cannot and should not be crossed when it comes to culture, or economics

or the way of society works. Yet it's just too easy to put us in the naughty corner and roll their eyes collectively. You saw how they laughed, and they may well laugh at me. That's fine. I've got the broad shoulders and I lead with my chin. But I get pissed off because they're really laughing at you. They're laughing at you for watching, They're laughing at you for subscribing,

They're laughing at you for sharing our content. These are the people who did not raise a finger in the fight to censor the Internet because they thought it would be a way of censoring you from having information that challenges their version of events. And that's it. The truth

is the truth. But let's be very clear, as I show you every night, you get to see how the media makes it their version of the truth, how they lie by omission, how they decide to further political narratives for the people that they like, and the types of resistance they put in place to anyone who challenges it. Now, way back when when I was just at a radio reporter, and again I thought I had my dream job then

because I was able to work in the medium. I grew up listening to the radio on desperately wanting to be on it, and I was able to achieve that dream. Let alone the one that I get to live every single night in your house, and I will forever be thankful, and I plan to go nowhere. Ever, I will take the man Cave with me wherever, and it will always be in connection to Sky News, no question. I appreciate that I've been here for fifteen years, but one of the people who I've got to say I thought I

got along pretty well with was Lee Sales. Now. Lee Sales, of course, was the state political reporter for the ABC TV for a while that eventually made a way to the then standalone host of the seven thirty Report, And now she's sort of one of the stars of the ABC, and the ABC works in a star system just like Channel nine, but without the ads. Remember they care about the logies. When thirty years ago Andrew Denton used to

joke about the logis on the ABC. Now, I think this is just snobbish what she said last night while she was delivering a analysis for one of the many taxpayer funded social media services that is run by the ABC.

Speaker 7

Will it change anybody's vote? Probably not, because it was broadcast on Sky News, which has a tiny audience, and it was behind a paywall. But it will be widely analyzed in the rest of the media in coming days, and it can change photo perceptions that way.

Speaker 1

Why now if it's part of some long turf war between them and ask us and who cares? I honestly thought that she was better than it, and I still wish to think that she is better than that because I have had no interpersonal interaction with Lee sales, there's been anything but positive. That's just unnecessary. I love how that audience size becomes something they like to talk about. Yet, of course, wouldn't that disqualify any and everything that happens

on radio National. Oh, of course not, despite the fact that it is an absolute fraction of a fraction of a fraction of what people actually listen to on the radio. Now, I get it, two minion people do not watch the show each and every night. But I love each and every person who doesn't just watch this show, but commits to this show. I make that show for them, not

for everyone else in the media. It means that your career prospects they just disappear and nobody will touching because you're too hot and you're two content, don't care, don't want to work anywhere else, don't need to work anywhere else. This joint will stand for a very very long time, and I look forward to being a part of its

magnificent future. And when you insult this channel, you may well think that you are insulting presenters you don't like me, but you're also insulting all of the people who work for this joint. Young, passionate, creative people, who I hope get to go on and live the dream in their careers like I have been able to. You are better than that, Lee, but you weren't last night. As for the Treasurer's debate that took place this evening, I got to say one thing, and one thing very clearly, Thank

goodness for Ross Greenwood. Thank goodness he gave them both a tough time. He gave them both a chance to deliver an uplifting statement of the country, neither of which did. But I've got to say I was just screaming at the TV at the relentless line when it came to Jim Charmers. Now Angus Taylor, smart bloke, but he just doesn't deliver a punch. In Australian politics rewards how you deliver a punch probably better than some of the decisions that you make, or in Charmers sense, the ones where

he doesn't even have to defend himself. But I want to give you a little bit of an insight into what I think the personality of Jim Chalmers is, and Jim Chalmers is on a trajectory that if they get re elected, nasty nicky Sava over there in the Channel nine papers, say albou get another way, charmers next, this is the bloke most likely to end up being the next Prime Minister of Australia. But look at how he plays the game and how frankly passive aggressive his version

of politics is. This is what he said at the start of the debate.

Speaker 9

I think for the first time in our history, Angus is going to the election with three policies. First of all, to increase income taxes on every Australian tax payer, Second of all lower wages, and thirdly secret cuts to pay for nuclear reactors. And you can't find six hundred billion dollars to pay for those nuclear reactors without coming after medicare, just like Peter Dutton did when he.

Speaker 1

Was the Health minister. All right, now I'm going to move on.

Speaker 10

Can I just respond to that ross because there's complete nonsense again from Jim and he really should stick with the facts. The only energy plan that's going to cost six hundred billion dollars is your energy plan, Chris Bowen's energy plan. That it's absolute nonsense. There will be lower taches made up that that will be lower taxes under a Dutton government.

Speaker 1

Sorry, I apologize, I've got that out of order. That again an example of things work right. Good on Angus Taylor for pushing back against the obvious lies. But he starts the debate by saying, oh, let's have a respectful conversation, and then watch what his version of a respectful conversation is.

Speaker 9

I think we can agree tonight, Angus, that will be respectful about this exchange.

Speaker 1

And I think it's a got opportunity.

Speaker 10

Of giga dueled down to ten. And that the thing about gas and energy anymore, the thing about gas know how to beat inflation, made that and you've completely failed to achieve it.

Speaker 9

Just luckally just made those numbers up. But no, Ross, this is important. I'll tell you why this man. Ross, can I tell you why this matters? Because angers, Angus and Peter. Productivity growth was the teens and they were in government.

Speaker 1

No one has over.

Speaker 10

Let me get into no one has overseen a six percent productivity loss in two and a half.

Speaker 9

The worst deck since the war was like you, well, let me.

Speaker 10

Finish, because people are working more for less, okay, and that's been a labor out.

Speaker 9

I'm going to go so that wages are up, real wages are.

Speaker 1

He's a bully and beat artist. That bloke made a decision to take fifteen hundred dollars off ten million workers, And I've banged on about it every second night because it is the true test of whether they cared or not about helping you when you need it. At most, they took fifteen hundred dollars off ten million workers and then turn around and spent half a billion dollars on a voice referendum which was all about getting them a better place in the Wikipedia pages. This bloke, again, is

a man who knows how to work the media. You can see him working every side. You can see him getting his profile pieces up. You can see that he's most likely somebody who is a very well placed informatist to what is happening inside the government. You can see that when he submitted things about his own past, that those things had been protected by the media. This bloke is slick. This bloke most likely will end up as a leader. This bloke will end up in a place

in Australian history whereas people like me understandably forgotten. And they will build, no doubt, some monument to this bloke at some point in time, because that's the way the Left goes. They name arenas after people like John Kin who destroyed Victoria. They make a statue for people like Daniel Andrews. They give him an OAM for services to public health when every indisty suggests that it has never been worse as a result of the decisions that he

made during COVID. So we know how they're going to treat him. Charmers. But I frankly think the blokes are bully and I think that when Ross Green would challenge him about whether he had a glass draw or not, it was an excellent question and a wonderful example about the true state of the bloke who wants to tell you everything is up when it's really down. He wants to pretend that in the last election everything with cost of living was personal about Josh Fridenberg and Scott Morrison.

Yet everything about cost of living nothing to do with him. It's cyclical. It's Trump. He's already setting up that for the next four years everything's going to be Trump. And as I showed you last night, he's intergenerational report that told us the Australian federal budget will be in deficit for the rest of the twenty twenties. All of the twenty thirties, all of the twenty forties, all of the twenty fifties, and as far into the twenty sixties as

they can predict. That report came out not when Donald Trump was in charge, but when Donald Trump was being charged with crimes that if Georgia got its way, would have seen him go to jar for the rest of his life. On over, it's Donald Trump is going to ruin everything. That's the prediction that we are that bad, that that bloke has designed a system so bad, are budgets so weak that it's in deficit for forty years

on her But it's all Trump's fault. And you watch the media who just love love being able to pretend that this election is all about Trump when you and I both know it is all about the people who have made this joint worse in the past three years, and given the chance to do it again, there is no indication that they would do anything but the same. Remember the real cost of labor, the numbers they can't spin, the things they can't get away from. Fifty four thousand

people lost their job last month. One point six million homes are in mortgage stress tonight. Two out of three can't afford their rent, three million people on the verge of homelessness, three point seven million households will run out of food this week, twenty nine, five hundred and twenty one small businesses go bust, the highest supermarket prices ever, the highest taxes on alcohol smokers, petrol, budget deficits for the next forty years, and one point two trillion dollars

of debt. And by the way, if you think I'm making it up, I've got the sources. And they're not far right wing think tanks. They're food bank, they're the Bureau of Statistics. That's the true cost of this idiot. This idiot who thinks that he can lie and bully and bs is. Oh well, let's have a respectful conversation. I can't stand the blog, but if Australia decides to rehire them for three years, don't come to me and complain.

As for the People's Forum, and another little thing I wanted to mention last night, one hundred people in that room. They are the undecided. Interestingly, we got to hear from what some of those people had to say after they walked out and awarded the win to Anthony ABERNEESI. Remember forty four. I think it was thirty five for Dutton and twenty something left over as undecided. This is what they said about what they thought of the night and who they might end up actually voting for.

Speaker 6

I think there was a lot said but not a lot of action.

Speaker 8

But I think overall Dundon was a great orator.

Speaker 6

But I think Albanesi's policies just bet a lot more sense to me.

Speaker 8

At this stage.

Speaker 7

I do believe Alben easy better presented and how he presenting the policies towards the audience.

Speaker 6

Peter Dutton better of the tomb but I'm still not sure I vote for either of them.

Speaker 1

I think I'll vote for Dutton.

Speaker 6

I'm a more a right wing person, and yeah, I thought he did well.

Speaker 1

God love the Truckies. But the reality is there are probably millions of people who genuinely don't know what they're going to do, and even after watching the extra changed tonight, may will be frustrated and say, okay, we've seen two debates. Four blokes. Problem right, and that is the lane that many people are going to run when it comes to this election. And we know there are plenty of options

on the ballot paper for that particular lane. But about that group of undecided people who don't watch shows like this, which doesn't mean they're dmbe or disinterested, got something else. They're more interested in something else than the hardcore politics that we present to discuss and debate each and every night.

You know, they're offered the foot of the park wherever it happens to be good luck to them great And as we've seen when it comes to the undecided voters, Paul say, about thirteen percent of people have absolutely no idea who they're going to vote for. Another thirty five percent of people could apparently change their mind, meaning that what forty eight percent of people may will be movable

in the next little while. So I was interested when the ABC did their own focus group with undecided voters. They use the same people that we use here each and every Sunday night would start of the race. It's the Red Bridge organization. This is what some people said about the Prime Minister or the alternative, Anthony Abernezi. He's a good politician, I'll give him man. He's got a cool name. That's about it. To be honest, I don't

have much information to form an opinion. I have heard him speak just randomly, but I haven't found him charismatic or believable. I guess I just found him appearing dodgy like most politicians. In my opinion, those were undecided voters in a Melbourne seat talking to a group that was put together by Redbridge and paid for by the OBC. What do they say about Peter Dutton. There's a common

sentiment expressed by Linda. I think, whether you're like him or you don't like him, a leader is about standing for what you're going to do and following through with that. Even when people don't seem to care for all of Dutton's policies, they seem to respect him more for his conviction. Says the article, he didn't want to stand and do a press conference because they had an indigenous flag, so he's conservative in that way. I don't necessarily agree with that,

but at least he's got a stance. He's willing to put it out there and say what it is that he stands for. In short, this group sees him as more authentic than the Prime minister. That's the conclusion of a group of people put together by Redbridge, paid for by the ABC. Undercided voters in Victoria In short, this group sees him, as I said, as a more authentic person the Prime Minister. He knows what he wants, he knows what he represents. I think that's very real and

different personality from our current leader. As I would often say, nothing to see here, this election's over the books or one hundred percent right? Maybe not. We'll all wait and see, we'll all learn together, and we will all ride every minute of every hour here on Sky News between now and then, Stephen Conroy, Broman, Bishop bel duke it out next Meegan Kelly before we're done Wednesday night. I love it.

I love it here on Sky News. Thanks for watching now, marking around enough from me, Bromin, Bishop carry out a champ on a Wednesday and he gets s but he comes back to Troitch and every week we love you. Stephen Conroy here to help all right. I want to ask you both the question that is the same question that we've all been asked privately in the past little while, depending on a pole, a bookie, a sense, a reaction

in your gut. Is this election over? Stephen Conroy? Do you think that the bottoming out, the build back, the momentum so now it's a conversation between minority and majority, not a conversation about first terming.

Speaker 11

Look, I'm certainly not in the we can win a majority camp yet I think Peter Dutton's had just a very tough some would say a horror four or five weeks. I think he stabilized the ship on Tuesday night. I think he was solid. I think there were no knockout blows, and I think he's rebalanced his campaign and now has a chance to take it forward when people forget albout had a shocking first week before he caught COVID in the last election. So is it possible to recover from

a tough few weeks. I think the poles will tighten, but I don't at this stage have a Labor majority. I think Labor have been favored for the last few months to form a minority government. The question is is it a big minority, meaning they need a load of independencent Tails and Greens and all together to govern? Or do they just need and they can pick and choose. But no, Petter Dutton was solid on Tuesday night and

I think he won the debate. But he was solid and he's got a chance now to go forward.

Speaker 1

Bromen is the selection.

Speaker 5

Over no, and there's always the possibility of albow yet again making a big slip up. You've got an archy today. That's not a good sign. He's been sweetness and light now, so I know it's certainly all over.

Speaker 1

What about your sense about coalition supporters and their sense of you know, where they were a month ago versus where they are now. What do you say to them?

Speaker 5

Well, I've been talking to them, and interestingly enough, just in my local patch, I had somebody ring up and say, can we have some core flute in our garden please? And by the way, I'm going to talk for a couple of neighbors they might like them too, and they did. So there is a feeling that people want change, they want to know that it can get better, and that's the job that both dots and angers have to get out there. I thought the debate tonight was very interesting.

I thought the tenor of the voices and the what was said counted. From the treasurer the snake charmer, we got the usual snake oil.

Speaker 1

Salesman pitch, respectful.

Speaker 5

It just makes me get angry to watch it and out I'm the same Shiblers it's a commentary on what's going on. There's nothing in there that you can take out as a concrete now and that says something positive. It's adjectives, it's adverbs, it's abstract nouns. It just makes me angry.

Speaker 1

Yeah, Stephen, what do you think of that as a contest? And again, right hardcore economic conversation. You know, people with the economics degree like yourself, you can have it. Obviously it's a different one than a leader's debate. But you know, I like Ross green Wood kind of making it uncomfortable for both of them at times. But I also think that to me, the personality of Charmers became very clear, and at times the weakness of Taylor became clear.

Speaker 11

I think that's that's a good description. Ross certainly unsettled both of them. I mean, I'm biased by definition. I think Jim did a very solid job and he really presented Labour's credentials. I think Angus has had a bad few weeks, probably even longer. I don't think he's put out enough policy. I think he's exposed on making claims around how he's going to somehow get gas to mysteriously move from Queensland to the state of New South Wales and Victoria without any costing on it, which I think

is a legitimate criticism. How does it actually get the gas from Queensland when he's reserved it into the well Victorian markets so he can help lower prices as he claims. I think he's got a.

Speaker 1

Serious hole there.

Speaker 11

He does have a very serious hole in his nuclear policy. So he had a couple of really tough ones to defend. But to give him credit, I thought he did a very solid job as well. I thought that was the best performance I've seen from Angus in many, many, many months.

Speaker 5

Are one of the most important things about it is getting the argument out that the cut in the text on petrol is here, it is now, It's immediate, and it.

Speaker 1

Does relieve twelve months.

Speaker 5

Right now. Let me give you an example, Steven. Let me give you an.

Speaker 1

I'm going to do it.

Speaker 5

A friend of mine was in a garage the other day and in came a prime mover to fill up. That prime mover costs two and a half thousand dollars with diesel. Now the cut to the cost take that twenty five cents of somewhere. My mask may not be the greatest, but it's three round, three hundred and fifty dollars every time he fills up that truck.

Speaker 1

That truck is.

Speaker 5

Moving your food. It's moving cattle, it's moving sheep, it's moving produce. It moves as I've set off before for twelve monks, the apple from the from the from me.

Speaker 1

It's not afi not the point.

Speaker 5

It brings it down immediately.

Speaker 1

It's an immediate effect. It's what people want.

Speaker 5

It's not a sugar head.

Speaker 1

Is that the case? About the energy rebate which is only for twelve more months?

Speaker 11

Steven, Well, we've already renewed it a couple of times.

Speaker 1

So they will renew it, but they've only got one cost for one year. I got you there.

Speaker 11

Peter Dunton needs to come clean to understand it.

Speaker 5

You need to be honest that your treasure tails fibbs.

Speaker 1

So your big FIBs. Yeah, So Charmers twelve months versus Taylors twelve months, Olbost twelve months versus Dunton's all right. I want to talk about a poll, and I don't know whether you want to bet the household on this, but apparently an independent has got quite a vote which is coming in the seat of McMahon, and there would be quite the change because blackout Bowen would lose his seat. Bromwin.

The numbers are that the ALP primary voters apparently at nineteen, which is not true, the Independence is at forty one, which is not true, and the Liberal Parties is at twenty, which is not true. But this is not one of those Muslim Muslim votes candidates. This is somebody who's a little closer to the Diele model. And we know that the Labor Party machine got beat we're closer to Bromwe yeah,

well this is it. But what's your thoughts here about whether again, well, we're all talking Nash one hundred and fifty one races and the odd little surprise in a place like Western Sydney where a different type of candidate might be the one who they want to go with rather than the union boy from Well.

Speaker 5

I think the nation would cheer if it happened, and maybe a Labor Party would cheer because what comes out of.

Speaker 1

That man's mouth is just unbelievable.

Speaker 5

And this passion that says your energy is gained be cheaper because we are building poles and wires right across the nation. I mean, it justifies logic that every time there is greater so called renewables put into the system, the cost of electricity goes up, not down. And yet we get this perpetual lie that the more we put in, the.

Speaker 1

Cheaper will become.

Speaker 5

It just doesn't happen. So I think maybe everyone would be quite pleased if somebody else got the seat.

Speaker 1

Stephen, You've seen plenty of poles in your time. Would you be willing to you know? And I don't know whether you do it. Don't have an affiliation with sports bit, but Jesus is quite a nod for a surprise in that seat if if.

Speaker 11

That result happens, I will wear that jacket you're wearing on camera.

Speaker 1

Okay, this is this is This is a pole done.

Speaker 11

I think it says by text text, you know, like texteds your response. I mean, it's got to be the most unreliable pole that has turned up in some number of elections. So I think I'm safe from wearing your jacket on airport.

Speaker 1

There's nothing wrong with this jacket, even though I think that you end up swimming, because we all know that side by side, it's to be able to wear it like a very loud well, you know, my mates love it, and I'll gladly do it. All right, Now, let's talk here about where we are in the state of politics. When you sit at eperduper price is going to get

out on the road. We spoke to her on Sunday night because she is such a weapon and she is so effective, remember turning sixty forty yes to sixty forty No. She's been very strong. She'd be exactly the type of person I honestly believe the majority Australians want in a cabinet, sitting around helping form the policy of the nation. But wherever she goes, protesters follow, which means bullies follow, and those bullies get quite serious. And now whenever she goes

somewhere there has to be extra police, extra security. Bromman, what does it say about our country that somebody who is strong gets that sort of reception when she is not a figure of hate, She's not a figure out there sort of dog whistling on anything nasty. She just is an absolute disruption to a very comfortable system that's run for a very long time.

Speaker 5

I think there's something really different about this. You said, he has been very passionate about the violence. That's perpetrated on Aboriginal women, and she's been very critical of a particular group which has put out a statement saying that no one should should suggest that there's a it's part of the culture. Now, I just wonder, with these people who are protesting against a center do it against a man? Why are they doing it because she's a woman. And I can't help thinking that that's true.

Speaker 1

It's a disgrace. And I thoo an intimidation, no question, and threats against many candidates.

Speaker 5

She is a woman of courage. She has seen what happens in her communities. She knows what is done, and she knows what has to be done to stop it happening. And I don't think the people who are protesting against her like that good point. And I think it's got nothing to do with the fact that she's a potential leader in this nation, that she's got a great ability to contribute right across so many issues. I think she's being singled out because she's an Aboriginal war woman of descent.

Speaker 1

All right, guys, amount of time longer next week, I promise, all right. That means me less rattling at the start, But I do a love a chat each and every week with both of you. Thank you, Steven, you got so close. But alas carry over champ has always probablyship and this jacket. Don't worry, It's safe on me, but I'd just love to see you wearing it at one time at a Collingwood game. All right, quick break back with more Meghan Kelly next here on Paul Murray Live.

Thanks for watching. Wednesday nights? How good are they? Our favorite time of the week to talk to about favorite person in the world. Meghan Kelly, how are you hi?

Speaker 2

How are you really good?

Speaker 1

Really good? Now? According to the news and the establishment, the sky's falling, Trump's destroying the economy, ending his own presidency. But then you have a look at an opinion poll released today and it shows his approval is going up.

Speaker 2

I'm so over this game, you know. Like, Okay, First of all, it's very clear when you're four oh one k your retirement account is going up and down, up and down, day after day. There's only one rule, and that is don't do anything. Do not sell. You haven't lost one penny unless you sell. And we've been through this so many times. It will level out, it will

steady itself and will be fine, that's what's happened. Every time they're acting like the people who are living off of their retirement accounts, like go cash in one hundred dollars of it on Monday so that they can live on Tuesday. That's not generally how one's retirement account works. Generally, one can wait a week before they have to make a decision on it. And I just like this is more about wanting to panic or wanting to hate Trump.

You know, there are some people who love drama. You know, my daughter when she was younger, like you know, eleven, would be like, I love drama and all her you know, little whatever they were at third grade friends at the time, whatever you are when you're they're eleven, would say, oh, we love drama, you know, fifth grade, sixth ring. Then you grow out of that, unless you're a leftist, in which case you stay addicted to drama forever and you

come up with imaginary ailments that you have. And this is kind of one of those, because a lot of these people aren't hurting at all. They just love drama and anything that makes Trump look bad so much the better. And QE. The renewed talk of the coalition is breaking it's finally happening. He's finally going to go down. Okay, I have news for you. The coalition was always broken. The establishment Republicans never loved Trump. They were brought into

the Trump fold kicking and screaming, where they remain. I mean, you read some of these right wing publications that don't like Trump, and you'd think you were reading the Huffington Post these days, even before the whole Terrift story. So they're loving it. It's like, we told you he was bad, he's wrong, he was the wrong choice. You didn't listen,

and now we're stuck with this guy. It's like, okay, So those of us who supported Trump and understood Trump and who aren't really all that ideological, like, well, I am a free trader and therefore I cannot support a tariff. Some of us are like, I don't know, I don't know what's what's the arform gonna do? Okay, can we give it? So we're not outraged. And I think Trump's base, which is that bottom half, those of the I could take out a gun and shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue

and they wouldn't leave me. Voters of Trump's that this is who this whole thing is for. So no, they're not going to leave Trump. And while the elites are irritated as they watch their you know, thirty million dollar fortunes slip down to twenty seven, the bottom half of the country sees a real shot at improving their lives,

which is why he was re elected. So I'm having a lot of difficulty getting all worked up about the market, which if you've been in news long enough, you know it does this thing called go up, go down, and then go back up again.

Speaker 1

Let's talk about this hands off movement. These are the lunatics that set fire to Tesla's all, apparently in the name of wanting to protect public servants. Well, you've had a bit of a deep dive into who is actually behind these groups, and surprise, surprise, it's all the colors of the crazy rainbow.

Speaker 2

It's every leftist group you've ever heard about, from Planned Parenthood to the ACLU to the Human Rights Campaign. What are they doing out there? You know, like I thought that they were for like trans people. Now I thought this tans off thing was about Elon and Doge I like pick your lane, pick your protest. It's this indivisible which has gotten all this money from Soros and other left wing billionaires. It's all astro turf. They have these

professional protesters who they call up. They're like, okay, this weekend, it's DC. Okay, what's the cause? Hands off? How many times we have to see this movie?

Speaker 1

Just don't believe them.

Speaker 2

Stop believing them. Don't believe the astro turf protests. Don't believe the lying media that plays it up. Don't believe the idiot polsters who tell us that Kamala Harris is up three in Iowa right before the presidential election. Just don't believe them. You have to go on instinct at this point. You know, we've had ten years of trump Mania that should teach us how to respond. And the lessons are all in here. They're all in your gut. It doesn't matter what your brain is telling you based

on what you've read in the Washington Post. Go buy what's in your gut, because your gut will tell you the truth, which is this is bullshit meant to manipulate you good and plenty in time for the mid terms or the special elections.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I'm one hundred percent with you. All I want, in my view, is some sort of confirmation that this is the worst president of all whatever. Who cares speaking of one of the worst of all time. Joe Biden books have come out in the past couple of weeks. We haven't had much of a chance to talk about them. But DyLight, what we already knew, what we were tall with Dake Fikes and Chape Fikes, that the block was this closed to death in the funnel.

Speaker 2

I'm sure they don't. I'm sure it's like they're onto the phase of Democrat messaging of we all knew that, right. It's first, it's always there is. It's not happening, it is not happening. And then it's well, it might be happening, but the other side did it too. Okay, it's happening, but this is old news. Everybody already knew that it was happening, so we're not interested. Like, so, okay, we're onto that phase now. And look, they're not going to

stop the retrospectives. They've all hit print and they're really ugly for President Biden and the press corps and his inner circle, and now his inner circle's running like rats off the ship to whatever media huckster will take them to say, oh I knew I knew. I was really concerned behind the scenes, like, okay, how does that help you? I mean, I have more respect for the woman who was on c and then the other night who was on Team Biden in the White House saying or in

the campaign saying I didn't know. I wish i'd known. I kind of believed them when they said he was fine. I didn't spend that much time with him. Okay, that's probably closer to like what's real. So no one's going to be able to save themselves. Like they lost the presidency because of this nonsense. They actually might have had a shot had they had an early primary and elected a strong Democrat. But look, I'm not surprised that the

ladies of the View don't care. You know, they're very busy over there looking for an extra IQ point so they can get into the triple digits. They don't have time to read books.

Speaker 1

Paul, all the best to you make them. We'll see again, Nix White.

Speaker 2

You too, Paul, see you soon.

Speaker 1

And if they haven't found it, they'd probably use it as an injectable to make their face even less expressionless. That's our show for or not say you again tomorrow for more Paul Murray Live Like to bit next

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