From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Burray Live, Hello and happy Thursday.
What has been a difficult week is now starting to turn into the full on fight on the conservative side of politics.
To that in the moment of twos time.
In a moment we will go live to the Vatican. Colin Flynn, they a lovely friend from Ireland, will tell us about the very latest and about when the next round of voting. There will be a couple more votes tonight, so the chance that you will wake up to a new pope with Peter Stefanovic pretty damn good. Are going to go into an area that could give me into trouble, but it's one worth talking about, which is the massive explosion in the necessity for more units and more housing.
How does it change electorates? How does it change politics? And James Ashby and Linda Scott both were plenty to say here tonight a slightly different version of what you have heard of the start of most people shows, which is what was the big story today. Labour's crushing win has knocked out Green's leader Adam band.
Gres leader Adam Bandt lost his seat of Melbourne.
Greens leader Adam band has now considered defeat in his electorate. Green's leader Adam Band has officially conceded, making him the second party leader to fall at this election.
Now, unlike well you've already seen it one hundred times, I'm going to show you him looking today about preferences when preferences, of course have helped him and other Greens make their way into the Upper House for a very long period of time and him into the Lower House for a long period of time. But let's just look back on the incredible rule of this guy as a political force in Australia.
If US President Joe Biden can pardon people who've had a joint, then Australia can do the same. Australia will be writing a bank check, will be spending untold billions on a fleet of floating chernobyls.
Pauline Hanson, like Donald Trump, do not care which group of people.
They pick on and whose lives they put it threat which have been detaching ourselves from Donald Trump. I mean, Donald Trump is dangerous, danger to peace, danger to democracy, danger to Australia.
Go away, go away, go away.
But I want to turn my attention to something else about the Greens. Now they often love to pretend that they are somehow different than the rest of Australian politics.
Major party majorty, major party, major party, major party, major parties, major parties.
The toothbrush is so weird. It is so weird.
I get the big prop thing. But Australian solomn We're to shove it all right now. They also love pretending that they are closer to the people than any other of the major parties.
Democracy.
Democracy, democracy, democracy, democracy, democracy, democracy, democracy.
But who will pick the next leader of the Greens? Will it be the membership of the Greens?
No?
In fact, it's only the Labor Party that has the option if two people to run for the leadership for the membership that paid up and proud people who do all the work every election, state, federal and sometimes even local to have a say in whom it best represents them.
But the Greens are like every.
Other political party, which is that they do their best to avoid any sort of open fraction about choosing between one leader and the other. Let me explain. When Bob Brown decided it was time to leave as the leader of the Greens, a deal was done and he would be replaced by Christine Milne, no vote of the party room, no vote of the members. When Christine Milne was sliding out the door, the Victorian Green Richard Dena Tali becomes the leader. No vote in the membership in the Parliament
and no vote of the members of the Greens. When Richard Dena Tali left Adam Bant, the crown was just placed upon his head. The people who claim to be closer to the people don't even let the members of the party who are elected to Parliament choose. Instead, a deal is always done. Now, this is something that we do see in major parties from time to time, and we'll find out what happens when it comes to the Liberals. Their meeting has been announced for Tuesday morning. Whether there
will be a contest or not. But if there is a contest amongst the Liberals, it will be decided by the people whom have been elected to the parliament. If there is a contest between two people to lead the Labor Party, there's a fifty to fifty contest. Remember back in twenty thirteen when Anthony Aberanzi first showed that he wanted to lead the Labor Party and he went toe to toe around the country in a debate with Bill
Shorten in front of the members. The members chose Anthony Aberesi, but the design of the system meant that the MPs had a greater say, and the MPs well, they ended up choosing Bill short But when it comes to the Greens, the likelihood is that, like dare I say, smoke appearing from a chimney on the.
Other side of the world, we will just learn that there is a different leader.
We will not hear that there are multiple people trying to put their hands up now. Of those who claim to have some insight into how the Greens are working right now, you would think that Larissa Waters would be most likely the one to take over, but apparently the deputy leader doesn't want a lot of the personal heat that comes with being the leader of the Greens. She also has a bit of rebuild work to do in Queensland.
So apparently it is now down to Sarah Hanson Young, who's been around for a very long time yet for some reason has never been able to get out of first year when it comes to being Leader of the Greens, or Marine Ferouki. Now Marine Ferouki is of course somebody who has made quite a name for herself. The types of people that she has stood next to at protests would suggest that she wouldn't be fit for any high office, but that may well be the qualification to make her
the Green's leader. Anyone who criticizes her is referred to as a racist, and anyone who criticizes Sarah Hanson Young is apparently a sexist. So we're going to be in for a fun next three years, especially if these are the two key contenders for a job that seemingly is always decided by someone in a back room.
And as Hamas need to be dismantled.
Listen to the situation with Hamas is.
Surely you're able to say where you'd like to see them gone.
And it's not up to me to say who should be gone or not?
Have you sold out your environment credentials?
Throw it often.
Stinking in an attention some you're prepared to sit behind closed doors and tell your own members Sena hands is young.
And nobody in this room was in caucus this morning night.
In this room, no exactly, the Minister would have no line of sight of that.
I'm sorry, Minister Farrell, that was a statement, So.
Order order.
What a choice now? In Rome?
It will be smoke that comes from the burning of ballots inside the papal conclave in the Liberal Party, and they will be cigar filled back rooms. What type of smoke do you think that they smoke in the Greens party room before they make their decisions?
I repeat, If nothing.
Else, it'll be an interesting three years ahead, regardless of what we will be called for. Dear criticizing any of these great future Titanic leaders, of which they will build statues too.
Out of Asahi, I assume.
All right.
As for the Liberal Party race, it does seem to be despite the fact no one said anything publicly, And don't you love this. I want to lead my party, i want to lead the country, but I've got to check with all my people first.
To do the numbers.
Susan Lay versus Angus Taylor, the dan Tian of it all, Well, I don't know what's happening. There is no public reporting about whom, if anyone, he's going to be backing. But we'll all find out together. Because Susan Lay, as the acting leader of the party, has announced that on Tuesday morning is when they.
Will have their leadership ballot.
All positions will be available at it being for the leader the deputy leader.
And we'll see what happens. Now.
Interestingly, the big X factor in and around all of this is our friend just into Nampa, jimper Price, the senator freshly re elected to the Country Liberal Party, which is an adjunct of the National Party, and she has now announced, as you know, that she is moving from the National Party to the Liberal Party.
Now.
Apparently this is because she may well be part of a leadership team. Now, whether she just has the deputy leadership to herself and the leadership is to be decided.
I don't know.
We have no inside apart from what is being said publicly here. For her part, just Enterprise was on with my colleague and friend Peter Quedlin tonight.
I've always felt like the Liberal Party room is my natural home. Given the Liberal Party is the Freedom Party, the party of responsibility. Given the current circumstances, I think now more than ever, when it's strong people within the Liberal Party, we need to be able to rebuild. We need to ensure that we don't lose support.
Now this has consequences, not just because it of course potentially moves to Enterprise even closer to that position that many of us believe that she will eventually have, which is the ability to challenge and potentially be elected Prime minister in this country. That would be a fabulous thing, but the consequence for the National Party is pretty serious too.
In the short term.
You see, they just had, including Senator Nampajin for Price, five people who had been elected to the Senate Perin Davy, the deputy leader of the National Party in New South Wales where she lost her seat with the abysmal performance of the Liberal Party on the weekend. So once five becomes four, you are no longer officially afforded party status, meaning the types of access that you automatically have to things in the Senate in terms of procedure and the
amount of staff that you have behind the scenes. Is potentially one of the reasons why one of those remaining senators from the National Party, Matt Canavan, was as clear as he was in his disappointment at this decision. This was quite an extraordinary intervention from him on Shari's program. In the past sixty minutes.
She sent has done enormous damage to her reputation. I've had enormous being inundated with feedback from people from the Northern Territory very upset. She hasn't spoken to members up there who elected her, hasn't spoken to the party, hasn't spoken to a colleagues and camera about this. It's not the sort of behavior I think Austrains appreciate, and it's the sort of kind of thing that Lydia Thorpe did. How is what your center's doing any different from what
Lydia did? In fact, it's worse than Lydia. Lydia at least had a policy disagreement with the Greens. Your center's left in this case, he's left our party, left, her colleagues, left the people that supported her. Not not sort of behavior you should be proud of.
Now, if they're willing to say that publicly, what are they saying privately? Are we beginning to see what is going to be a very difficult week for the coalition about whether it remains a coalition at all? Has there been some sort of a trade off somewhere that we will find out that the new leadership team will move a Liberal National Party, sorry, a Liberal Party senator to become a National Party senator.
I don't know. We're all flying blind.
The events of this week had been traumatic. The repositioning of the party has the potential to be traumatic as well. Obviously, I want you cinto Nampa jimper Price to be the leader of the Opposition in the Senate because wouldn't you love to see just inter Nampa, jimper Price or Matt Canavan going up against Penny Wong every single question time. Frankly, it'll probably be more interesting than whatever's going to be happening in the Lower House.
But really watch this space.
As for Susan Lay and whether she is going to become the next party leader, so interesting reporting there that apparently one of the things that she's trying to do is her and some factional people because the Liberal Party as factions are trying to suggest a unity ticket one of us, one of you, And according to the Australian newspaper, Liberal sources say that miss Lay has been offering high level shadow cabinet positions to people, including you can be
the Defense spokesperson, the Foreign Affairs or the Treasury spokesperson. Now all of that makes sense when you're trying to get votes for a leadership position, but generally speaking, you don't promise those jobs until after you have become the leader, According to a senior Liberal familiar with the negotiations, who could be a lefty trying to make a point, or a riety trying to make a point. She's approaching it in quite a transactional way, offering people jobs in exchange
for votes. This would work to a degree, but it's kind of pretty unstable coalition in terms of what she's trying to put together as her leadership position. Those who apparently have been offered the jobs Ted O'Brien, Dante and Alex Hawke, Tim Wilson Msleigh supporters deny that any offers have been made now. Obviously, part of the rebuilding is, as I've said from Sunday night, not just about learning
a lesson, but being seen to learn a lesson. And regardless of who the leader is, it would be pretty amazing to see the deputy leader be an Indigenous woman. But why not do what say the Greens have done, which is how to have multiple deputies? Why not a conversation about people like Tim Wilson, who, apart from being able to defeat a teal, was incredibly significant in his ability to put together and prosecute the case in and
around the Frankin credit stuff from twenty nineteen. Now, of course it doesn't matter that he's a gay man, but what an offering the liberal he could potentially put forward to say that it is not what the Labor Party or Green's caricature is, but instead is one that is as modern as the country. We'll all wait and see here. Now, I'm not sending smoke signals about what I think should happen.
It's not my job. My job is to look on as yes, one of the millions of people who wanted a different outcome after this election, who on Sunday night has already suggested in long form and please go and have a look at it on my Facebook page. Just go searching for form my re Live, where you'll find the link to our story it's going neews dot com. That are you, or the YouTube page about the five things that could be done at the organizational level to
modernize the party. But Tim Wilson is not ruling himself out as either trying to go for a top job or potentially the deputy job, or why not. Now, I'm sure there's some constitution somewhere that someone's going to have to change a rule, but why not have serious people towards the front end, who are all able to attack things from different angles. Tim Wilson says that he was
left scratching his head after all of this. In fact, this in part is what he said about what he's looking for in a leader in an interview on three our w this morning.
What I'm looking for is somebody who's going to project where we're going to go as a country, because that's the basis that we're going to persuade voters about the direction we need to go. And if you can't do that, I left scratching my head about any candidates.
And you can add his voice to amition others with an opinion about what went wrong.
If you want people to go in a direction you want, you then need to build out the policy stepping stones and persuade people to get there. The reality is the party fell short on that.
It'll be fun when we're back here on Sunday night. What's going to happen. One deputy, two deputies, unity deputies, no deputies, people changing parties, people being offered jobs. Sadly, all of it, of course, isn't about power. It's about representation inside the party. Its power inside the party. The focus of power is of course on the government and what it will do with it for the next three
and probably many more years after that. As for the latest counting, on top of what we learned today about Adam Bant going bye bye, I want to run through a couple of these things. In Southeast Queensland and the seat of Longman Terry Young, who is the LNP.
Member. He's holding on, but he's holding on just.
Two hundred and eighty nine votes right now, with eighty and a bit percent counted. In Bradfield, it is very very tight one hundred and ninety eight votes with the Liberal in front. The good sign for her is that there is only about what twelve and a big percent left to count. It would look like Monique Ryan is probably going to hold on on cou Jong, but who knows, still plenty of vote to go at eighty three percent and Menique Ryan has a lead of six hundred and
nine votes. Meantime, over in Bean in South Australia, the Teal still leads the Labor Party, so Labor of course automatically assumes they will win all the lower House seats in the Act. But we'll all find out together whether it'll be a teal that will start eating away at the Labor Party and most interestingly, probably to all of us. Certainly, one of our guests tonight is the Tasmanian Senate. Now, who knows where this.
Is going to go.
Ultimately a computer will decide the very final spot. But the Labour Party has got two senators elected, the Liberal Party one the Greens won. That means that there are.
Two seats left.
According to the predictive websites that are up on things like the ABC, they suggest that currently it is the Liberals who will get one, and most likely Jackie Lamby. But don't assume that to be the case, because if the Labor Party can't get itself to another member, there half of a quota will be added to Lamby's half
of a quota and she will win. But if the Liberals can't get somebody up and there what two thirds will be added to the more than a third quarter of Pauline Hanson, and therefore Lee Hanson will be the next senator from Tasmai. There is a lot to get through, there is a lot to keep an eye on, and we shall do so on all things when it comes to politics. But yes, we will move on to an
awful lot of other things as well. All right, let's get to Colin Flynn, our mate at the Vatican right now, is with the Catholic News Network, and he joins us, I'm pretty sure the microphone has been welded to his jacket this time. Hello, my great friend. So two votes down, no result, obviously, you go.
Yeah, I was just going to say that yesterday when I arrived and we were talking, I'd never experienced anything like it, because the mic popped off. There was empty beer bottles all over the place. Not a crew member insider to this says, I don't know how you operate the shoulder at sky, but there was somebods.
But we're here. We're on though.
All right, So we're two votes down and no result right now. Give me an insight into there are more votes today, aren't they.
Yeah, there's a few more today.
And actually, let me just bring you back to last night, because we haven't spoken since then. When we first the black smoke, something strange happened, and we think that something went wrong inside that conclave because we were told we would have smoke white or black anytime between seven and seven thirty.
So we were here waiting, and you can.
Imagine Paul, myself and my colleagues on e WTN. We were broadcasting live, and we waited and we waited, and it came nearly two hours later. Now that is unusual. That never happened. So there are theories going around today that perhaps maybe some of the cardinals who were allotted a fifteen minute slot to speak in the Sistine Chapel went on for maybe an hour. There could have been a medical emergency with one of the cardinals, there could have been a malfunction with the actual stove itself.
But to be waiting for two hours for that smoke was.
Very unusual, and we haven't seen that happen for a long long time. So I'll probably have to wait until after the conclave to find out what that major delay was. But I was in the crowd forty five thousand people standing staring at that chimney and those famous pigeons.
For two hours.
Today we saw black smoke again, and now we're waiting for two more ballots, which do to happen this afternoon, and you know, will we see white smoke this evening. Some people I speak to on the street who work in the Vatican members of different icastris. They say, I reckon we're going to see White Smoke tonight, and I think we're going to see it, but what are they basing it on. It's all on a hunch and we
just don't know. They do say that if it stretches into tomorrow, that is it getting into the longer terms for a conclave. Remember, the last couple have been two or three days. You have to go back to the nineteen twenties to get one that lasted five days.
Now.
I don't know how you fill time on air, but when you're just looking at a chimney and no one's texting you from inside, how many angles of the chimney do we have here at Sky? What if our director a team, if you can just go to as many as we possibly have.
I was watching Fox News before. I think they've got three.
Do you get into the conversation about the how many seagulls have come and gone? Because it does feel like that's one angle? Have we only got one angle on? We've only got one? So what angles do you do? You do you have multiple cameras that you can just because that's a lot of feeling when the conclive is a talking.
You know, It's right, Paul.
We do have three or four cameras on the chimney, but at the end of the day, a chimney is a chimney, and you know, no matter how beautiful these shots look. And even last night we saw the sun going down behind the chimney and it looked gorgeous.
But after around an hour and a half, when it.
Stretches into two hours, you're like, all right, come on, we want to see something coming out of that chimney. But what I couldn't believe was talking to the people in the crowd from all over the world, and I met a lot of people from Australia as well. The enthusiasm didn't win. People were still excited and a bit like in a football game. Every now and then you heard it kind of the crowd go whoa when someone
thought they saw something. And when the smoke did come out, you know, when it kind of trickles out at the beginning and people are looking to say what color is that? You hear a gasp of anticipation and then a beg oh. And people are coming back again tomorrow. But it's just a fascinating time to be here because Paul. You know, we're joking around and talking about it. It is an election of sorts. But you know, us Christians and Catholics believe that what is happening here is actually much more
deeply profound. That we are picking the man who is the successor of one of the apostles that walk the land, the Holy Land with Jesus Christ. And not only do they have to run the Institution of the Vatican and the Catholic Church behind me, with all of its strengths and all of its weaknesses and the challenges and the finances and the sexual abuse crisis that has gripped the world, but they have to be the spiritual and moral guider for over one point four billion people around the world.
And you know, Catholics believe what we're dealing with here is eternal life in heaven or the complete opposite.
So they're so much on this decision.
And I think people who are even not Catholic, Paul, who come here, they get a sense of that. They can sense soaking in the prayerful atmosphere around the Vatican, seeing the clerics, the nuns and the priests from around the world, they get it. They know that there's something deeper happening here, which makes it all the more exciting as well.
So in terms of the vote, it's not fifty plus one, it's three quarters, isn't it.
Yeah, they need a two thirds majority.
So in the past, as we've talked about before, when you know, mainly it's been an Italian boys club, and they've all had.
In a sense of each other prior to.
The conclict because they would meet more regularly here in Rome, and they were from France and all around Europe, and they also have the same life kind of vision. You could say they come from the same experience, same culture.
Whereas now, because these cardinals are so geographically spread, they could be finding it harder to come to that consensus saying, look, I mean, we know that this cardinal is great and he's an intellectual, but the kind of progressive agenda he is pushing is not what goes down well in our country, in Africa or in Asia, for example, So that could be you know why we've seen two plumes of black
smoke coming out. How many more we'll see, you know, It's just it's hard to know, but it's fascinating and everyone here is invested. Everyone has their favorites and what you can see now, Paul, as I talked to you in sky, we have NPR from the US. Beside US, we have the Associated Press. We've ard from Germany, We've got your colleagues from Australia. The world's media is here and people are watching this right across the planet.
I also can't help but think that very similar to and obviously I understand that, as you say, the stakes are a lot high when we're talking about eternal life or eternal damnation. Is that to see these things happen in the buildings where it has happened for hundreds of years. There are so many things that are new. There are so many things that are not a continuum to societies and generations past.
I think that, in part is part of the attraction too, isn't it. It's not just.
About the office about what it leads, but this idea that this institution is maintaining the way that it has always done it in the same way.
Dare I say, as say the.
Monarch in England, we go through that whole process of watching a coronation and hearing some of the language or some of the things which normally you know in twenty twenty five, and not.
Sort of rituals that we're used to.
The rituals are deeply important to people of faith and obviously to Catholics. This is a key part of what you're watching as well, is that while the method of communication has changed over so many years, you standing where you are standing is where men and women have stood before, looking at the very same building, making the very same decisions. That's incredibly humbling, isn't it.
Yeah?
Yeah, And Paul, I think you hit the nail on the head because when you see such rich tradition and ritual things that haven't changed for centuries, there is something comforting and reassuring about that. And I was talking to a bishop the other day who was actually up on the balcony when Pope Francis was elected in twenty thirteen,
and he made the exact point that you did. He said, what was incredible is that on one hand, on this side of the balcony inside the Vatican, you have the rituals and the traditions that haven't changed for centuries, and looking out at all the people in Saint Peter Square, he said it looked like stars.
In the night because it was all the iPhones were coordinated.
So you had this huge juxtaposition of the modern world capturing this richly tradition and spiritual event that is taking place, the election of a pope. And you know, if I can bring it even further and you know, go a little bit deeper theologically, this is the argument that is in the split ideological split in the Catholic Church at the moment when you see some people saying we need to be more progressive, some people.
Saying we need to return to tradition.
It's the debate should the Gospel change for the world or should we expect the world.
To change for the Gospel.
And that is what we have seen that really came to the fore during Pope Francis as pontificate. And that's what we're going to have to see with the new pope. Will it be a more return to tradition or will it be someone who says, no, we need to change the church more to suit the times.
I'm not going to take a guess, and I don't want you to winswer, but I think you've got the ability to do a mess in both English and Latin. I've got a feeling you might be sort of ampidextrous when it comes to your ability to see these traditions. Now, take us through, Take us through the process that the middle of the night, our time, daytime, your time. If there is the successful vote, what happens, Literally, talk us through the process of leaving from the conclave all the
way through to the balcony. What happens when does a cardinal choose their name to become pope.
Yeah, it's so exciting and it's so beautiful as well, really, because there are a few different stages. But behind me in the sisting chapel, if they do have a successful ballot, and someone does get that two thirds majority, they will then be brought into a side room beside the cisting chapel.
It's a tiny little room and it's called the Room of Tears because it's where the popes are meant to shed a tear, knowing that their life has changed now forever and realizing the responsibility that is now on their shoulders. And they have three classics in there. One is a small, one is a medium, and one large, and they hope that this pope, whoever it will be, will fit into one of them. So they're robes, they're dressed they will have a moment of quiet, reflection and prayer. But then
it all starts to happen pretty quickly. Within forty minutes to an hour, we expect that pope to have made the journey from the Sistine Chapel, through the Room of Tears to the balcony of Saint Peter's Basilica behind me, and that will give people a chance to gather in the square, because after they have the white smoke, the enormous bells of Saint Peter's Basilica will continuously ring across the city of Rome, and you will have people running
down every single street. There will be a stampede of people squeezing into this square, iPhones in the air. All of the lights will come on behind me and they will all be laser focused on that balcony. Vatican TV, who are the state broadcaster, will start to relay the pictures across the globe. National broadcasters of every country will be taking that feed, and all the cameras will now switch from that chimney and they will turn and focus on the balcony. Then they will come out and they
will say we have a new pope. That person will move to the side and out will come whoever that person will be. If it's one of the front runners, everyone will say, oh, it's Cardinal Pietro Paroline, is Taglay from the Philippines, it is Turksten from Africa.
But if not, you're going to have a lot of reporters.
Quickly saying, as they did the last time, let's give you a minute to just take in this incredible scene here in the basilica while they quickly look through the sheets and saying, who is this cardinal, where are they from?
And what kind of papacy are we in for?
Next? Colin Flint, we could talk or not. I can listen to your voice all day, but more importantly, the.
Passionate excitement that you have for the moment, it is absolutely infixtious. Of course his home base, he's a awt in and we're very placed that he gives us a bit of his time here and we've cleaned up as for the area around you mate, all the best, Thank you, Paul.
We could talk for all night, and of course all of eternity as well.
Very good.
Well, I hope that I get to sit next to you, but I might have to clean up my act all right, Thank you vide appreciate it all right, We're going to quick break back with more plenty to talk about Linda Scott and James Ashby about everything to do with politics, what's happening when it comes to liberal leadership, and also about whether James is still confident that there is about to be a change in the Senate in Tasmania.
But a big week, tough week.
I know that there's been a lot of conversation about the election. Well how could there not be. It was a seismic moment in Australian politics and we have to deal with it as it is, not as we wish it to be or an.
Es sec.
Looking forward to this conversation.
Linda Scott, who is rather happy the Labor Party won pretty much everything on Saturday, indeed, congratulations and none of them.
James Ashby.
Of course, one nation's vote up across the country and we'll see what's going to happen in Tazzy. So I'll start with you first, James. I know the official answer is who knows? And I explained before the quotas and all the rest of it, Right, how do you feel tonight about what's going to happen in Tazzy in the Senate.
Well, that is exactly it, Paul. No one knows. It could be two weeks. But what I am.
Pleased to say is, regardless of whatever the outcome may be, Lee Hanson, I don't want to put words into her mouth, has not said she won't run again, So that gives me hope that.
You know, if she's not successful this time, she will run again.
I had the wa Senate candidate over there say to be waiting for this announcement is worse than waiting for a baby, because you know, the due date's gone and.
Passed, and now it's just.
Day after day after day, just holding out waiting for the arrival of that announcement.
So it's tedious. It's not just for us either.
There's plenty of people in other parties across the country still waiting for their answer as well.
Yeah.
Well, in terms of the going past the due date, we're familiar with that in our family, and at some point the word induction.
Will be used and we'll all see what happens.
Linda, again, let's go back to last Friday, Confident, looking at the polls, what part of the result surprised you the most? Just to say, wow, okay, I didn't even see that one.
Look.
I spent Saturday night in my local area with tenubly protect, my local MP, and I don't think there was a person in that room who was not really surprised by the magnitude of Labour's victory. And each and every day, as those seats for Labor keep tailing up, I think there continues to be you know, a real humility but also an amazement about the scale of the victory. This is, of course, the worst Liberal loss since the nineteen forties, and I think, you know, they'll do their analysis, but
it does send a couple of messages. The first is that I think Australians have just categorically rejected a kind of lack of you know, positive vision for the future, and the Liberals just did not put forward a positive vision for what they wanted to see for Australia's future. And I think Australians have been really clear about that, both about the Greens, to be honest, and also the Liberal Party. And I think that's a really significant lesson that I think those groups need to think about.
And I'm not sitting here pretending the sea candies and what the sea Candy is right, but it still is a third, a third, a third, And yes, you know you can, you can put a certain amount of expectation on Greens preferences, Teels preferences. But if not for those preferences, aren't isn't the Labor Party in a potent, well obviously massive success.
Now the primary vote went up, It went up pretty significantly this election. And you know, preferences are real vote a right, so people are choosing Labor above the coalition. I also think that Labor pre selected some fantastic candidates right across the country and even in places where we thought.
We wouldn't win.
So I'll give you two examples. My great friend Sarah Race in Flinders, a Victorian seat, was always an incredible candidate. The local councilor down there has worked so hard, made a commitment from an urgent care clinic in medicare, range of other commitments, daw knocked her heart out and that seat completely unexpectedly is on an absolute knife edge. Similarly, Trish Cook, another counselor in Western Australia in Bullwink Will always was going to be a very tough seat for
Labor to win again on an absolute knife edge. So we've pre selected really great candidates in winnable seats, in difficult seats, and in totally unwinnable seats, and they have absolutely outperformed.
The modern Liberal Party.
Has failed to reform the selection of their candidates to have their candidates look like modern Australia and at some point, you know, they have to recognize that that is holding them back with voters.
Well, we'll get to the future of that party in a moment or two's time. James, you obviously don't have the same machine as the major parties, but you had so many candidates. You have this national breed. You've got this incredible once in a generation leader who can draw a crowd wherever she goes, literally from the suburbs to the Nullabor muster. Jesus, it was a shame we miss you by a day or so in Calgooli. But what did one nation learn out of this one.
As a number of things, really, Paul, I think preparation is the biggest key here, As Linda said, when you've got candidates in the field for twelve months or more, being able to press the flesh with locals, talk about those real issues, and it's not just a one off conversation, it's that repetitive conversation. Utilizing the media better. That's a
key important element. So I think for us, we're probably going to use the next twelve months to really start to put things into place that enables candidates to get pre selected earlier so that they're not just in there for the six ten twelve week campaign. I'd love to see every one of the one hundred and fifty candidates that are to run at the next federal election at least we're twelve months up their sleeve to really get embedded into the community. They live there already, they know
what the problems are. It's just about getting the community to know that there is an alternative out there, and people are looking for an alternative. As he rightfully pointed out, there's at least thirty percent of people out there that
are not prepared to vote for the major parties. And when you've got candidates winning the winning government or should I say, you know, a party winning government of thirty five percent, it really does leave it up in the air as to where the future of politics goes in the country.
Well.
Also, I mean, you know, if he's true to his word, and who knows, but CLIVEE. Palmer says that he's off the table now, and we know that there's about one and a half two percent or a little higher in some of the places. Whether they moved towards one nation because of its strength over the years, whether it goes to the freedom fact, we will be fascinating to watch
again in and around all of that. But congratulations on a much better performance, well growing performance, but certainly in what you had this election compared to last.
All right, So, Linda, as.
A roll gold progressive, As a person, I'd love to see the world change, but you know you are aware of how personal hygiene works, which means you're not agreed.
So I'm definitely meant to joke. I think we can all be clear.
No, no, I know, I know I'm joking. Just Europe. But you're high core progressive, right.
The progressive wing now is quite large, and it's having its effect on whose ministers and all the rest of it. But more importantly, this group of labor MPs and activists who want major changes when it comes to climate change policy. They're saying that the emission standard should go from forty three percent by twenty thirty to seventy five percent by twenty thirty five. Now, both parties didn't want to put a number on any of this stuff before the election,
which means conversation happens. Now means legislations gets passed, and obviously with the help of the Great means the conversation is being driven.
By the progressives of the Labor Party.
Seventy five percent is very high and has a lot more political consequences and economic consequences than forty three, doesn't it.
Look The government has I think publicly said and Murray what I think said again today that the government needs to wait for the advice before they make your decision about interim targets. And I think that's a very reasonable step. There are economic consequences if we don't set targets, because that potentially means a loss of investment and capital in
Australia that is very significant. We want to be a leader, We want to be a superpower in the energy revolution that is producing cheaper, more renewable energy.
That is very reliable.
So I think it is important that we make decisions as a government. I think it is important that we seek to attract investment to Australia especially at a time when some of that investment might be pulling out of the US. We want that money to come to Australia. We want to be able to attract that energy and those jobs here and to help Australians have, you know, the cheapest possible power prices. I think Australians have firmly
rejected nuclear power. It's astonishing to me that we continue to see liberals like Tim Wilson still putting this forward as a proposition. I think Australians have categorically rejected nuclear power. So I think it is important for the government to set targets, but it's prudent and right for them to take advice about that. And you know, look, the Labor Party is the oldest political party in Australia. Of course we will have robust policy debates, but we have democratic structures within.
The Labor Party to do that.
Like a long time ago, when I was first pre selected for local government.
What color was your heavn No? Pinkes? Definitely was Did you ever have pink kere?
Definitely less gray than it is now.
Come come on, man, right buddy, let's fight the power.
Listen.
Four thousand people voted in my pre selection as a Labor candidate in the City of Sydney to be Labour's candidate for that council.
Right, we have.
Robust debates, we have democracy. There was a huge number of candidates that ran against me, so you rubbing it in more. We're an old established party that has democratic rules where we seek to reflect the Australian contemporary.
Modern correct But the nature of National Executive and the caucus is now much more left wings. So it's good to hear what progressives want because they have a better and cleaner path to it, as opposed to maybe those early days when the new souplause right was in the one sort of going yeah, yeah, yeah, let's move on, right, James, seventy five percent renewables, Let's imagine it's sixty five percent.
Let's imagine it's fifty five not renewables in terms of the emissions cut right now, I think this was one of the areas where because the Coalition couldn't come up with a Goalilock's number, they wanted to avoid it for the teals and all the rest of it. Right, But if there's this scenario where forty three becomes fifty three, sixty three seventy three. That is massive changes that are going to have some serious consequences. Would you think or
is there expectation? I was just bashing up the bush. They vote national, they vote one nation.
Who cares, Paul, lock it in, Go for it if that's what Labour want to do. Lock it in the sooner this country hurts the better when it comes to crippling our energy network by going with these unrealistic figures. That's exactly what you got. A wake up set the Australian people up. No, no, no, you've set the target. You say you've got a mandate, go for it. But I'll tell you what, you won't be there in three years time.
People will see the writing on the wall when you know we're powershdding and we're turning people's smart meters off because there's a massive roll out at the moment, Paul, have you noticed how quickly the government of on a fast track to run these smart meters out.
They're supposed to be rolled out by twenty thirty.
No, no, no, they're sending letters to every household right now to put smart meters in as quick as possible. Why is that Well they can then turn them off remotely so that you've got nowhere conditioning or if they choose to turn your dishwash off, they can.
Do all that remotely.
Goodness, and this is.
The result of looking a seventy It happens in Queensland target. So you know, you say you want to lock it, and why are you afraid to power back to the glow further than that? You know as well as I do. All right, stand by now, back into the grid right now. And I don't have a smart meter, stand by, grubbish. We know what they we know it. Yet we know what they're capable of doing. And this is what the
government will do. So if you want to ruin the economy, you set your hard targets of seventy five percent, lock them in.
Go for it, eddie, but you won't be there in three years.
All right, Let's talk about your center price, where the labor would feed her, and whether there's going to be a fair amount of fighting inside the coalition in the next of the while we break back with more here on Paul Murray Live. Thanks for watching this Thursday night. There they are, all right, let's get into the conversation again with James Ashby. Of course, all things one nation and happy to spend a couple of nights at home after a long campaign, and the wonderful Linda Scott in the man.
Cave as well.
All Right, So the news tonight is that just into Napajmer Price, she leaves the National Party Room.
She'll go to the Liberal Party room.
The speculation is that she may well be part of the leadership ticket, and I think all of us know that she's one of, if not the best performer on the right side of Australian politics at the moment. This is what she said to Peter Kredlin a bit earlier tonight.
I've always felt like the Liberal Party room is my natural home, given you know, the Liberal Party is the freedom Party, the party of responsibility. Given the current circumstances, I think now more than ever, when it's strong people within the Liberal Party, we need to be able to rebuild. We need to ensure that we don't don't lose support.
Now, part of this has created a direction inside the National Party because by her leaving the National Party it no longer has party status in the Upper House. Now, whether this all works out and somebody moves back, we'll all find out together. But Matt Canavan. He didn't hold back.
Just sent has done enormous damage to her reputation. I've had enormous being inundated with feedback from people from the Northern Territory, very upset. She hasn't spoken to members up there who elected her, hasn't spoken to the party, hasn't spoken to her colleagues and camera about this. It's not the sort of behavior I think Austrains appreciate, and it's the sort of kind of thing that Lydia Thorpe did. How is what your center's doing any different from what Lydia did?
Worse than Lydia.
Lydia at least had a policy disagreement with the Greens that just center's left. In this case, she's left our party, left her colleagues, left the people that supported her. Not not sort of behavior you should be proud of.
Now, let's imagine all of the party status stuff somehows worked out next week, next month, whatever. Let's get to the fundamental here about you, Senter Price being even further on the front line of Australian politics. I don't know about you, James, watching her versus Penny Wong in Senate question time they'll have to sell tickets because she can kick ass.
Yeah, but she's been given that opportunity to ask questions of Penny Wong during question time. Anyway, mcaalia Cash leads the Senate and that will be what happens in the future as well. There's no one better to run the Parliament or to run the Senate than Mecaalia Cash, so there won't be any changes there, Paul. I can understand Matt Canavan's frustration here. Matt Canavan is doing the job that David Little Proud should be running as Leader of
the Nationals. But you know, I've seen over the last couple of weeks of this campaign. I've said to you six months ago that there was some disarray in both the Liberal camp and the National camp. And you know, I know Michael Kraeger said that, oh, I know, everything's fine. Well it hasn't been. This has been bubbling away under
the surface for a while. But I can understand the frustration when you've gone into bat you put so much money behind candidate and then they drop you as a party and go to somebody else, quite literally within a week of those polling results being revealed. It must be disappointing. But with that said, just Centerprise has enormous talent, we know that, but this is not what the Australian public want to see politicians doing, is squabbling over positions within
the party ranks. You know, I don't think at the very moment there's some awful talent to choose from to take on that leadership of the Liberal Party. You know, I don't have faith in any of the leadership options that they've got on the table here. And this is why one Nation continues to do better and better every federal election cycle and every state cycle because the Liberal Party don't have strength anymore.
And it's really disappointing to see that.
You know, I see them in the opposition, not just this term, but possibly the next one if they can't get their act together now.
Linda obviously wish nothing but the best for the coalition over the next three years, but your thoughts on this move.
Look at the last federal election, there were some pretty clear indicators of a splinter between the National Party and the Liberal Party, and I think it's fair to say that privately many in the National Party in particular were questioning whether the coalition was going to have a future and I think, as Senator nampajimp prices defection today shows that there is a really clear and ongoing ideological divide
between those two groups, and not just her behavior. You know, you've seen Senator Bridget Mackenzie today say, you know, will the parties merged? She over my dead body, she said, you know. So there are clear differences between these.
Two and then that's when they are on their own race.
You know, they hold the line, they hold the line.
Let's be clear.
You know, there are now members of the Federal Parliament in the National Party who've on their ballot papers in the past voted Labor before Liberal in their preferences. And this is why I say preferences are real votes.
And they matter.
You know, there are people in that Federal Parliament now, in the National Party that I think are really actively questioning whether the coalition has a future as a group of two parties that continue to collaborate because their policies are different in the regions. You know, Australians know they need government, they need good government services. And when you continue to have culture wars in the cities in the middle of the Liberal parties that are not relevant.
Defending principle isn't necessarily cultural. It's another debate for another time.
It's going to be a really rocky past.
Thank you guys, do appreciate it.
I've got a little bit of news before we are done, and it is for the Captain of the Matildas. Sam Kerr has announced that her and her partner have had their baby and the little boy's name is Jagger. That's our show for the night and for the week. We'll see you again Sunday night.
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