From the skying In Center.
This is Paul Murray Live.
Thank you, Shari, one impactful and important hour of television.
Now, I won't lie.
Many Australians in the past twelve months, there are many moments where you just want to look away. You want to say it's somebody else's fight, you want to say it's the other side of the world. You understand all of the complexities, but we are reminded today about why things are the way that they are. The questions that Charry just showed in the past hour were a wonderful
reminder about the humanity. That people who were innocents were murdered, no question on this day that Israel had to respond. Equally important was the conversation that Charry had with a person who may well end up one day the Prime Minister of Israel, who talks about the failure of the Israeli government on this day twelve months ago, it took six hours for the ADF to make it too many of the places that have been worse affected. There must
be an inquiry into that. There must be an inquiry into the intelligence failures, about who knew what and when, and about why the lack of response was what it was. October seventh is the day that we mourn those who died in the terrorist attack. You can have your thoughts about the response to it, the proportionality and all the rest of it.
We'll talk about that later.
But today will forever be marked as the day that the world remembers when innocent people were murdered.
No question.
In the past hour, while Sharry has been bringing you her program from Israel, there's been some inspiring and deflating events that have happened here in Australia this evening. There have been thousands of people that have gathered in Sydney and in Melbourne principally, but yes in other parts of Australia to mourn the dead, to demand that those that are still behind enemy lines as hostages are to be
returned home. Significant leaders, including Peter Dutton, who was given a standing ovation by the Jewish community in Sydney when he appeared today along with the premiere in New South Wales and others have spoken about the importance of this day and just like September eleven, it will be forever remembered as the day when innocence died.
We need to make it clear that the killing of innocent people on October the seventh Bayhamas is a great crime.
If we don't take a strong stance now, we risk repeating the mistakes of the nineteen thirties. And that is why Australians should be inspired by the bravery of generations past to stand up for our values today and into the future.
Since October seven, each one of us is on a mission. Each one of us has a purpose. You have a role in the recovery. We are coming back stronger and more united. But Jachad together the.
Prime Minister, was in Melbourne.
We don't have tape of his comments, but he was walking with Jewish leaders in Melbourne as they were commemorating this particular day. I will save my criticism of this Prime Minister, who I think has failed on many fronts on this particular issue over the past twelve months for another day. But that is the message that he is sending this evening, And sadly, there is another story to tell you, and it principally comes out of Sydney. Hundreds of people decided to choose this day to go to
the Leukember Mosque. They chose this day to celebrate the events of twelve months ago. The front page of the Daily telegraphed this evening says that it is a day of celebration. These were some of the remarks that have taken place at that particular event.
My belief is.
That, as I have said, there is much nuance and complication and difficulty in all of this conversation, and that there are thousands of examples of innocence that have died in the retaliation of what took place here on October the seventh. But very obviously, when your country has been attacked in the fashion that it was attacked, any country,
including our own, would respond. I will not get into the complications about the depth and breadth of the response, but I stand in absolute unity with those who are disgusted that a day like today, the actual anniversary of when innocence were killed, is a day to say things like this, the seventh of October.
What it is is an act of resistance, and Francesca Albanezi said that the seventh of October does not remove the Palestinia right to defend ourself.
I ask of you to continue all the actions that you have started one year ago, and do not stop until we see the crumbling of Zionism until we see the end of the occupying Israeli forces.
Many of those speakers, they may well share a rage, but it is misplaced on this day. This day forever in history is about what happened on October seventh. It is not an act of resistance. Again, there are complications, there are difficulties. There is no perfect place to have this conversation, because if you move a little bit too much this way and a little bit too much that way,
you get screened out by all quarters. I seek not to be the person who's going to solve the question of the Middle East on a television show in Australia, but I am going to speak very clearly about Australia. Australia is a place where you can come from anywhere in the world. You can have any belief in the world. But on a day like today, if you cannot recognize that another and fellow Australian is hurting because of what happened historically on this day, then you are not living
up to the opportunities of this country. We've seen protests in the past couple of days when people have been waving flags that do not explicitly show support for Hesbala, but they show the colors, they show words that are very similar.
It's very clever.
Change by one percent, ten percent, twenty percent to make sure that the message is clear, but the messenger won't end up with any sort of legal ramifications now tomorrow. The Palestinian community, in my view, has every right to mourn its innocence. But anyone who wants to use those innocence on this day to rub the Jewish community and their nose in the death of their innocence is not someone who has the best interests of any population at heart.
I will not stand for a country like Australia being divided into countries within countries where certain suburbs lean this way and certain suburbs lean that way. Every suburb should have maximum empathy for any community and its historic, significant
or important days. Let's see what happens in the next twenty four hours about whose response to what is said, Whether the focus is on those that are the innocence of October the seventh, or those who choose to use this day to claim that they are speaking in support and love of them innocence, but the reality is that they are showing some of the worst possible traits. We'll talk about that in a whole lot more. Charry will
be in Israel all week. We will talk about what matters in this country and when it is protests, and when it is matters on the other side of the world. We will move those to the top of the tree. In the meantime, there was some interesting polling in and around all of this where Hezbala today, as you will have seen, supported and praised some of the behavior that has been happening on our streets in the past few days.
But interestingly, there was a poll that I want to take you back to, which was from June of this year, which is what Australians believe about legitimate and illegitimate protest. Fifty three percent of people say it's okay to hold a rally outside of Parliament. I would think there is no problem with this. Forty one percent of people or they believe that marching in the streets is okay. Now you would have to infer that either the majority of
people disagree or don't care. But certainly once these start to come clearer, I think it becomes clearer that the minority number is the support and the vast majority number is against this stuff, the carrying out and occupying of universities. Just fourteen percent of people accept that behavior as a
legitimate form of protest. Ten percent believe that it's okay to block an MP's intrans to their office, nine percent say it's okay to go to someone's house to protest, seven percent say blockading a port or rail infrastructure is okay, four percent of people say that it's okay to damage property, and none of these or undecided is sixteen percent. Well, we have some update to that polling which comes today
via the channel our newspapers. It shows that voters reject protests as Gaza war ignites the domestic route.
You see.
I believe the extreme majority of Australians are like us. Specifically in this case, I'm going to say like me, which is, we have maximum empathy and understanding for what's happening on other sides of the world, what has happened in the past twelve months, the twelve years, the past many decades before that. We understand the complexity. But the joy of this country is that we do not have to live with that complexity. We do not have to
live with that hatred. People were asked today if they agree or disagree with the statement the conflict in the Middle East has made Australia a less safe place. It has moved from thirty six percent this time last year to now forty six percent who believe that this country
is now less safe. Principally, I would suggest, because of what they have seen tonight, that there is a group of people amongst us who pretend to speak on the behalf of others, but truly speak on the behalf of their own dark heart, which is to not pull back, to not stop, to not pause, but instead to just keep pushing in the direction of which they choose to keep animosities going.
Long question here, but you need to see it.
Last year of conflict bloke out between Hamas and ga in Israel and the Middle East. They started Hamas fighters when they cross the border into Gaza.
To kill and kidnap civilians.
Israel than retaliated with strikes and in targets in Gaza, followed by ground incursion. The conflict is ongoing. Please tell us what Australia should do. Should they allow marchers and protests by Australian supporters, Well fifty nine percent of people say no, it's not to be played out here. Fifty percent of people say that Australia should voice in principal support for neither, but if forced to choose, a bigger number say Israel over Gaza. Fifteen percent say neither and
be prepared to accept refugees. Eleven percent say they can come from Israel, thirteen percent say from Palestine, twenty four percent say both or either. Fifty two percent say no, I don't bring this fight here. Second question, political parties and leaders have responded in different ways to the Middle East conflict it affects Australia and how it affects Australia. Of the largest parties, who do you think has responded best?
Fifty five percent say unsure or none. When support of Peter Dutton for Israel or Anthony Albernezi in his position, people choose Peter Dutton. You can see the permutations there amongst other political groups. The message remains the same twelve months on. We know what happened there, we know what happened after, and we know what has happened before.
But when you are here, you.
Do not bring the endless hatred, the endless Yeah, but then this and then that and what about this, and what about that. You can have those views, but you do not disturb the peace that is in Australia in order to have those views registered with violent language or outright violence, as we have seen in the past twelve months. Again,
I finished this bit with where I started. I, like most Australians on many days, look the other way, not because they don't care, not because they don't understand, but for obvious reasons. My focus is always this country first, is always making sure that this country doesn't turn into other countries, that we maintain absolute stability and absolute steadfast
sense of values. No matter where you come from or what you believe, the fundamental value must be that we live in a peaceful and harmonious society that can disagree, that can disagree without resorting to violence, verbal threats or intimidation. Now that position may not be pure enough for some, it may not be angry enough for others, but I
believe it's where the majority of Australians are. We are not ignorant of what is happening, We are not shrugging our shoulders, we are not ignoring what is happening, but we are focused on making sure sure that none.
Of that crap happens here.
Now to the rest of the day and things away from other parts of the world. Let's get back to what's happening here. Don Farrell is the Special Minister of State in this country. Now, if you don't know who, Don Farrell is also the Trade Minister, and as the Trade Minister, just a little refresher here, he had the opportunity to hire somebody to be a trade end boy for Australia in San Francisco. He could have chosen the
woman who had applied for the job. No, no, Instead he chose a mate of his from the union movement who had to be trained by the person who applied for the job because he got the job despite the fact that he didn't apply for the job. He of course was a friendly one term Labor Senator, which meant he got the job, not, as I say, the lady who actually was qualified for it.
So that's a bit of an insight into.
Some of the decision making in and around this hardcore partisan on the behalf of the Labor Party. But Don Farrell's job as the Special Minister of State is to shepherd through the Parliament the rules of our life actions. Now this goes to everything from how we vote, to how how to votes are handed out, to who can donate, what we know about the donation process.
And there are things that need to be fixed and there are other things that don't need to be changed.
Now, one thing that apparently a committee of politicians delivering the finding that mister Farrell wanted was to cut back on things other than political parties being able to spend
significant amounts of money at a federal election. This would mean that the Teals will not be able to have the same sorts of money to back in the organization for them to be able to finish frankly third in many areas, but then with preferences they make their way to second and then eventually they end up defeating Liberal
Party MPs. The reason they claim that we need to change it is largely because of the spending of Clive Palmer the United Australian Party adds of tens of millions of dollars that did not result in him getting members
to the Lower House. It did result in a Senator Ralph Bebbott making his way into the Federal Parliament, and the spending of Clyve Palmer and all of those ads is used as the giant excuse as to why we absolutely have to change the way the rules of elections work, which is why, as I say, there was a parliamentary committee with a Labor majority that decided that we need to introduce caps on the amount of donations that people
can hand over. We also need to make sure that there's a greater transparency about who gives money and when. I don't have a problem with that, but as has played out in places like Queensland in this election right now, where a political party would be able to spend x amount in one seat, but a third party organization would also be able to spend the same amount.
So in the case of the unions.
Despite the fact that in their constitution of the Labour Party they are fifty percent of the say they are part of the Labour Party under all of these rules that play out in places like Victoria and Queensland right now, they are independent entities. So if you have ten unions or more than ten that are in Queensland, it means Labour spends this much one Union, two union, three union. You get the point, they can ten times outspend anyone else on the ballot. This is a problem but this
is what Don Farrell is trying to achieve through the parliament. Now, if he's able to get this through the Parliament, it will only happen because it's the Greens plus minor Party people like Jockie Lamby so called independence like people like Dormat Dave Pocock. And the expectation was that the funding system which has kept the Teals alive would not be snuffed out at this upcoming election incided to be twelve
months after that. Well, the reporting today is that with limited numbers of days left for the Senate to sit this year and then presumably in an election year, the time is running out for them to put that system in place. And this may well be very much by design. You see, the government is headed towards minority and they would not want a bunch of peedoff teals, perhaps a reduced number of teals because of those spending changes to
actually be what ends up happening. So this thing may well end up getting delayed.
Now that's good.
Because the assumption is that Clyde Palmer will be running ads if he chooses too hard against this government as opposed to previous stances like in twenty twenty two when he ran sort of put them all last. But remember back in twenty nineteen when he was running hard against Shorten that helped Morrison win. Special Minister of State Don Farrell isn't due to introduce the package, which includes real time disclosure of donations at more than a thousand dollars,
until November. A majority of Cross benches demand the legislation will be properly scrutinized. That means it goes off to a committee, meaning a vote may will be delayed. And a couple of people who are speaking about this, includer old mate Lydia Thorpe.
Hopefully our netball injuries are okay.
Labour has left this vote too late, so it looks unlikely that these reforms will pass at the election. I remember Lydia Thorpe, despite the fact she was elected as a Green, becomes an independent very early in this term. She will be around for any three years unless there is a double dissolution, so I'm sad to say that's the case. She says, it's not clear when the election will be called, but an important bill like this notes
to go through a committee process. At the moment, it's impossible to run a successful campaign against the Majors without huge spending. But interestingly, perhaps the most telling quote today about why the planned changes may well not end up happening to keep the Teals happy is MANIEK Ryan, the lady who, of course, due in court proceedings we ended up finding out to thought of herself as a potential
prime minister one day. No reform is better than bad reform, you see, she would like the current system to go on just as long as the rules apply to everyone else, not the Teals. Does that say she's confident about winning her seat if she had to do it under the same rules as everyone else.
Who knows.
But we'll all find out together. But I thought you should know. They are trying to rewrite the rules of how elections work, and the reality is that money is part of that picture. On the one hand, it seems very logical that everyone's only able to spend the same
amount of money. But once you throw in the third party groups like I say, a Climate two hundred, who might be able to simultaneously fund a candidate and then set themselves up as being completely independent, well, they of course are able to spend two times more than anyone else who's on the ballot. Now there are some right leaning groups like Advance Australia, but they won't end up having the same financial supports something like Climate two hundred, let alone the Union advantage.
So watch this space. It is always the prerogative of.
Any government to use its numbers in the Senate, but in this case, if minor parties are willing to sign away their capacity to be able to fight fairly, then we have to look deeper inside the deal. Remember when this took place in Victoria, there was financial compensation that was handed to the minor parties at that time. Now, if it was a liberal party who was making taxpayer deals to help a bill go through the Parliament, it
would be an outrage. But if it's labor and it's to the advantage of the left, nothing to see here, Well, there is plenty to see here and I will keep watching cost of living years that number one issue in the country, no matter how tragic the days are on other parts of the world. Right now, And there's a bit of information I want to show you today, which was a survey that showed a fifth of Australians and our stressed about money every day, one in five.
This works in two parts.
It found that forty six percent of people are dealing with financial worries at least once a week. One in five people said that their savings were now going backwards fifteen percent, so that they are now in debt and seeing an existing debt grow. Now, of course, the Prime Minister would like you to think that it's all about the supermarkets, and the supermarkets are the only thing to
talk about here. Well, again further information from the same survey, Australians are now spending a third more on their groceries than they were not two years ago when this government came to power, but just six months ago, when this government says that it was focused on cost of living. The media and grocery spend was two hundred bucks in August.
It was one hundred and fifty in January. When it comes to power bills, the media and Electricity bill has gone from three hundred to three hundred and fifty, not in two years, but in just six months.
Meantime.
The Prime Minister and Grim Jim Chalmers, they think that by going after shrink flation and pretending that it's the supermarkets and every dollar that you spend in the supermarket goes to the mustache twirling CEOs.
Of those companies.
The reality is again new polling which has come out tonight under the cover of everything that is happening in and around the recognition and commemoration in and around October seventh. But this will make big news tomorrow when Parliament is back. Albanizi is in voter sites over the cost of living. Let's have a look here. Who do you hold responsible for rising costs of living? Thirty six percent of people say the federal government. The next biggest number there would
be that they are unsure. The next biggest number under that would be global factors or business. But the government is the main focus. Perhaps even more concerning for the government inflation can I have many causes and remedies. Who do you think has the greatest responsibility in care inflation down? Nine percent of people say the Reserve Bank fifty A majority of Australians are correct. It is the federal government who have such responsibilities. But as always, they want to
change the subject. They want to pretend that the solutions are bashing big business because they're the real problems, bashing the Reserve Bank because they're the real problem. No, it's the federal government, the very federal government. The promised, of course, to bring cost of living down, remember that was their central promise.
They have failed to do it.
It got worse in twenty two, much worse in twenty three, and it continues to be much worse in twenty four. What about this suggestion that comes via taxpayer media today as a solution to the long lines of rental properties around the country. Now, as I showed you last week, the number of new dwellings that are being approved is just as smigan compared to the midion people that have been brought into the country in the past couple of years by this government under immigration, because it makes.
The federal budget looks good.
So the ABC's solution, older Australians could rent out spare room to help ease the housing crisis. New research suggests like continue where you can shove that research and it's right where it came from, the idea that you, because your kids have moved out, should think about renting out their old bedroom to help solve the housing crisis. Please, the government should stop importing as many people as it currently does. The government should be approving more dwellings to
be purchased. The government should not be talking about changes to negative gearing changes which means people who buy those properties for somebody to be able to rent would be disincentivized from doing so. The idea that you are the solution, therefore the problem, because you choose to live in the same house that you brought your kids up in, you know, the one that you worked your backside off to pay, that you have renovated, that you have cleaned, that you
have toiled in the garden for decades. What world did these people live in, because it is at ours. One of the endless frustrations that we have had this year was to see a gold medal being given to Dan Andrews in part because of his response to public health.
That was a joke.
Yet, because of course he's part of the club, and the club always finds a way to reward the club, he ends up topping the King's Birthday honors just a few weeks ago. Of course, it is completely unforgivable his decisions in hotel quarantine, which resulted in, as we've told you before, more than seven hundred people dying.
Yet he gets a gold medal.
The lockdowns, they were punitive, they were too long, you know, that and even the Channel one newspapers recognized it last week.
But of course he won.
And because he won after locking down the state after thirty three people died because the ambulance system didn't work, then he's the winner forever and everyone else who's shut up well. One of the ways that he was able to win was because taxpayer money was being spent on polling, the best type of polling, the most expensive type of polling. It was to the benefit of the Labor Party, but the Victorian government.
Was using it to advise itself.
Now, of course the Labour Party and the Victorian government are indivisible, as the Corruption Commission has shown. Gray corruption means that often the public service is indivisible from people who are loyal to the government and the.
Party of the day.
Will today via the Australian who is not giving up on this, and good on them for not giving up on this. Will they give some details about the taxpayer funded polling that men Andrews was making decisions to make sure that he would win an election rather than the decisions.
That were right for Victoria.
In a significant victory for the public's right to know Victoria's information. What dog has dismissed attempts by the Department of Premier and Cabinet to keep documents secret about work that was done by a research company. The newly released documents reveal that they were conducting voter focus groups for the government, not the Labour Party, the government on health, education, roads and transport all the way through twenty twenty two.
The last of it was done just before the caretaker period kicked in just a month before the then state election. The Department was keen on testing how emerging cost of living crisis was starting to impact on voters, with questions like are you aware of prompted or unprompted the state government initiatives like two hundred and fifty dollars of power saving bonuses, free kindo sick pay guarantees, So basically questions
that were about politics. It goes on to say that on the issue of health, the focus groups with the guide the Department was keen on grilling voters about the performance of ambulances, hospitals and elective surgery waiting lists. What's your sense of ambulance response times at the moment? Now, this was because thirty three people had died as a result of the collapse in the TRIPLEO system. The polling, which was paid for by the taxpayer, was overtly political.
But because there is no firewall between the public service of Victoria and the politics of Victoria, what is referred to again as the Great corruption by their Corruption Commission.
This is what they're talking about now.
For some reason, of course, we continue on with this conversation about the voice, despite the fact that more than a year ago Australia made its decision and it was hell no, sixty forty hell no.
Now.
I don't know why this keeps popping up in newspapers, particularly on weekends. They keep sort of doing feature pieces about the Yes side and how it's licking its wounds or why we were all wrong to make the decisions that we did.
One of these was.
Meghan Davis who popped up and earn a story in the Financial Review. Well she says that disinformation and overheated partisanship fuelled the defeat. Who cares Australians made a decision. They had all of the information and they made the decision. If I was in government and I had been elected, and I had polling suggesting the referreendum wasn't going to win.
I would have pulled up stumps.
She says, I don't think anyone was prepared for how devisive and nasty that no campaign would be. No one apparently, please. People in the democracy have a right to say no. They have a right to say, you know what, we've heard your argument and we disagree. It's not disinformation, misinformation or lies.
They just disagreed. Now, I'm sorry to say it.
For twelve months on why are they still writing about it. It wasn't fifty forty nine point nine, it was sixty forty.
Even Lefty Victoria said no.
What an insight into how people make their decisions in and around the wider media. I don't know why this keeps getting run but it does. Let's get to America where I think right now, this week, a month out. Who knows what happens in the end, but I think Trump is leading. I explained in some detail to you last night about why I think Trump is leading.
Well, I can show you one of the data points here.
The bookies, now again they can be inexact, and they're not suggesting there's a runaway right now, but they say there's a fifty and a bit chance of Trump winning That, of course, is a majority compared to Harris, who has been going down over the.
Past few days.
The key reason because they believe that Trump is now a fifty five percent chance of winning the state of Pennsylvania, where, of course he had the rally yesterday, where months earlier somebody tried to kill him if the polls were frozen in time and turned into an election. According to Real Clear Politics, the suggestion is that Trump would win. He needs two to seventy at two eighty one versus Harrison Waltz at two fifty seven. So how are the left
he's taking it. Let's first check in with MSNBC.
What I'm hearing from Democratic and Republican business people and a lot of men. And she's got such a big problem with man. I think there's an under account of the Trump vote. I think that there's a missed misagenation in all of this black and white man.
Oh, of course, when they don't vote for who you want to, it has to be racist and more sexist and more misogyny.
Or all three.
In this case, again, she could win, She could secretly be winning, and she could be winning by an even bigger margin than oba they know she isn't, which means Q more lifty ts and wild claims about what might will happen for man who's been president and didn't do any of this stuff when he was.
We are not at a point right now to be talking about policy difference. This is not about economic difference, because we are not running against a normal human being, right We are running against Donald Trump, who is an existential threat to humanity.
And I mean the words that came to mind when I've read about this controversy today is the gross luga who was a phrase coined by Adolf Hitler in mindcomf in nineteen twenty five for a propaganda technique by which you tell as big a lie as possible so that people will believe bigger.
I think.
But Donald Trump does that as a matter of course. He's a pathological liar and a sociopath.
And when he turns around and says jen to you know, like the head of this network or other people who are critics, that he intends to use sealed team sex or the military within which to round up his critics or his opponents, he intends.
To do it.
And I see that with firsthand experience.
The best thing if Trump wins will be watching their reaction in real time, which, of course they will turn into scandal for four years, but at least will be fun to watch on election not or maybe it'll be us that are crying. We'll all find out together. Quick break back with more lots to talk about. No sooks, no lefties. Looking forward to this in the moment or two's time here on Paul Murray Live.
Thank you so much.
I'm sorry to sell you a Papa said, no sooks, no lefties. He's not a full on lefty, but he's kinder by our standards. I'm wearing the red jacket, he's wearing the blue.
Who knows what's going on? That incredible.
God love the good people of rem Brand. They are wonderful and Elias in particular. God love rem Brand. All right, see there we go, get another and the wonderful make an event right now as well, of course, because Parliament is heading back into full play tomorrow. Matt, I want to get your response to what is taking place tonight. Where for obvious reasons, there are sacred days for certain communities. Now they may not be the days they're automatically jumped to people who aren't.
In those communities.
But it's pretty obvious what October the seventh is, all right, It's pretty obvious that that is a day when Australian Jews mourn what took place in Israel. But some of the stuff that is being said, and if we can bring it back from the editorial guys, the stuff that's being said on the steps of the lakember Mosque tonight
is in my view, intentionally inflammatory. It is intentionally insensitive, It is intentionally basically a giant f You now, remember when the attacks took place on the streets of same said sober people were out and about and saying it was a day of victory. Twelve months on, no change in the rhetoric roll the.
Tape the seventh of October, what it is is an act of resistance, and Francesca Albanezi said that the seventh of October does not remove the Palestinia right to defend herself.
I ask of you to continue all the actions that you have started one year ago, and do not stop until we see the crumbling of Zionism, until we see the end of the occupying as radioforces.
Matt, what do you think, Look.
I wish we could just focus on the heartache, the loss, the solemn feelings that many Australians are feeling tonight. Many Australians losts, lost loved ones, family members, friends, some still know people in captivity twelve months on from a shocking event, And yeah, you would wish, you wish, especially just a year on, just twelve months on, that the focus would be on that. So I I'm sort of reluctant to want to speak about and iment on those people. I don't think they deserve airtime.
But look, I.
Don't think they do themselves any favors to their cause. I've certainly got sympathy for the plight of innocent Palestinians and what's happened since October seven.
It's hurt a lot of people.
But they don't help their cause to pre palace time whatever their cause is, by producing the heartache of other Australians. But I just wish we could come together on days like that today. I suppose it's a forlorn wish. There's enough to vision the world, why do we need to repeat it here in the streets of Australia.
And also, just like the people who were changing the symbols on the flag, so there was a very strategic decision. If you do it on the steps of the Moss, then it can sort of be interpreted as some sort of faux religious ceremony. Therefore, police weren't going to crack down more. But let's step out to the other protests
that have been around where sam two recent examples. Now, again I'm not carrying water for molo Unopolis, but he was controversial figure who was able to do a speaking to her in Sydney Millon in Melbourne, they booked a room, they sold tickets, people turned up to protest, yet the promoters were sent the bill for the protesters turning up. Now, they didn't do anything wrong, so why do they have to pay for the protesters. Nigel Faras does the same
thing in Sydney. He books a venue, sells tickets, but the people who turn up to protest his team gets sent a bill.
From the police.
Why doesn't a bill get sent to the people who are running the protests on the very days when the police say this is not a good day for a protest.
Look, it's an absolutely fair question, Paul. I think the issue is that no one should be sent the bills for the protests. You know, I think in this country, whether you agree or disagree with the issue, or want to see the protests or not, I think we all recommend and recognize that there is a right of everyone to get out there and have a protest. Now you agree, none for Milo or none for no one, or in my view, if it's good enough, then it's good enough for ever.
Well, no, because we're going to end up in the same s. I agree.
You can't have a subjective view where you're billing one person and not the other, because then who's going to decide, you know. I think in the same way, Matt has a right to organize a protest about you know, carbon taxes, I have a right to organize an industrial rights you know, your rights at work protests, and I think that's fine. And the police should be there to keep everyone safe and make sure it's an orderly protest and no bills, no bills, All right, Now, I've got you go, Matt.
Well, I've got.
A quicker turn of I agree with Sam, although I think what we should do is start raising more money from those protesters they break the law. So some of them do actually break the law and stopping people going about their business or commit commit vandalism.
I'd agree with that charge there more money.
And then you can then that helps offset the cost of police.
And certainly the people that vandalize things and you know the climate nutters who you know park in the middle of tunnels. Sure, sure those people find them.
Those costs of disruption flow, but not the cost of the policing. Okay, Now Hillary Clinton may well have accidentally surprise, surprise, said the quiet bit out loud. Now, as we know, this government here in Australia is trying to censor the Internet because of misinformation, despite the fact there are many other laws about libel and defamation and all the rest of it. Well, she said this about why we need to crack down more on what he said on social media.
And now remember, unlike the United States, the United States actually has written into their Bill of Rights the freedom of speech.
That if the platforms, whether it's Facebook or Twitter, x or Instagram or TikTok, whatever they are, if they don't moderate and monitor the content, we lose total control. And it's not just the social and psychological effects, it's real harm.
We lose total control. Matt, what does that mean?
Yeah, I really want to know what the word we means in that sentence with a way, I'm not sure they are all the American people. It's very concerning, and there's an explicit strategy from some agencies with the US to try and circumvent their First Amendment by imposing free speech restrictions in other countries, which would potentially also then bhind the American social media companies for America too.
Obviously, that's happening here in Australia.
With our Misinformation and Disinformation Bill so called misinformation. It's also happening in Europe as well. I think it's very concerning times. I think Australians to serve to speak freely about political issues. And a point that's not made very often but is almost equally important Paul, is that I have the right to also listen to my fellow Australians, because every time you silence someone from speaking, you're also restricting the rights of someone else to hear those views.
I also want to hear from people I disagree with. For example, X recently canceled Istraian Conservation Foundation over nuclear energy.
I didn't agree with that. They're my political opponents.
I didn't like what they had to say, but I have every right to hear what they have to say. That is the test of a free, healthy, and functioning democratic society. And this move to reintroduce a modern former blasphemy and starts censoring particular political views is incredibly retrograde and it needs to be stopped in its tracks.
As a man who'd like Harris to win, Gee's Hillary is always helpful, isn't she.
Yeah, so it's always so helpful. And it's not like a person who runs one of these social media companies hasn't already said that he's pro the other guy in the race.
It's a level of spectacular introspection or lack thereof, that makes this person launch her book in the maelstrom of a election campaign against the person that beat her what eight years ago? It is just the idea, because that's what the interview was. It was her advertised for a new book, and you know, find write your book, another autobiography. I think we're up to about fourth or fifth autobiography.
I mean Kevin only had two. But you know, write your book, good, good, you know, get it out there. But do you have to do it now? At the point that Democrats are doing their best to get people interested and enthused about Kamala Harris and disliking Donald Trump. Do you want to remind people that will actually you know, this was the last time they ran someone that Trump ran again.
But also perhaps I have a strange view on this, right.
I think the way to push back against what they believe to be conspiracy theories.
Whatever whatever is maximum transparency. Right.
But gone are the days when you only had to have mates at four TV stations and a couple of newspapers to be able to make sure I come on, knock this out. The reality is we have technology now that means we can all as adults be able to handle.
Information in real time.
The hilaries of this world, you know who simultaneously want to press the reset button with Russia while pretending they're fiddling with Americans.
So he's not the one I trust with it. This is in an area that I know a huge amount about. I'll freely that doesn't saw anyone on this shot no fair point. I just don't know why we can't have more verification of who you are when you go online. When we go on this eg free work exactly right, when we go on this show, we're all responsible for
what we say. And if we call someone a name, we're able to be sit you go online and you can say whatever you want, like there is a reason that LinkedIn is a frankly harmonious, responsible place because people are boring by Well, yeah, sure it's boring.
I'm not aware of LinkedIn. I'm happy with my job and I don't need to go hunting anytime soon. Break Quick Break Mac with more here on Pall Murray Live. Sam's happy with his, by the way, Matt's happy with his.
Just help me out quit.
Break one and a second.
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Now let's get into American politics here.
Now.
I have shown a little bit of data before about why I think Trump is in the lead. Last night I got into some granular detail that won't surprise anyone about the polling areas of twenty twenty that basically said, you know, Biden was winning by this much when he actually ended up winning by this much. So when they're showing ties, then presumably that's going to be good for Trump.
Right, But who knows.
So I'm going to ask you this question every week for the next month or so, which is, Matt, why do you think Trump is winning? Is there a piece of data or just your good old gut that's telling you na, he's fine?
Well, a lot of it is my gun. I've said this program many times.
I just I think he is a much better match for the states that are in play that are important in the Midwest and in Arizona and Nevada, it just Carmla Harris being a pretty left wing liberal senator from San Francisco. It's a hard cell. The other SpecTec just
more quantitative data. In the last couple of days, The New York Times, a very very respected poll, had some interesting analysis that when they will if they waited their polling based on asking the question who did you vote for in the last twenty twenty election, they end up with very large margins of victory in the key states for Donald Trump, much larger than they're predicting currently. So look, I think the main takeaway from all that is you can't put much weight in the polls.
As you've said and described last.
Night, They've been out by a long margin in recent elections, so why would we put too much weight on them today. I don't think there's any evidence that have necessarily corrected those mistakes this time round.
And I've got to say, if you want to walk away from the polls and you start looking at the aggregators or the model makers. Now some of them have good pictures for Harris, some of them say that it's a little bit closer again in the betting market. So I can show you one betting market this way and that way. I've chosen polybeit because it's the one we're followed all the way through when things are way up all way down. Sam is a man who'd like Harris to go there. Is there a bit of data that's
telling you that she's there? Or is it because she's going on Howard Stern this week?
Look similar to Matt, I have such a reservation when it comes to data. When you think about how any pole is.
You live twenty nineteen in Australia. No, no, sorry to trigger us.
That's a load blow.
That was a load blow.
But when you think about how the data is actually collected and how it involves someone picking up the phone. Best case scenario, someone picking up a phone calling someone again and again and again. It's got a ninety something percent rejection rate. You factor that into who the people that are actually answering generally old people. So the way that pulses get around that it's stay weight people disproportionately.
So if you get eighteen or twenty year old or under thirty year old, you know you might get one of those. Your sample might need you'll need a hundred of those, so you'll just wait them to a factor of twenty is how they skew that out. And they've been doing this for years. And when you think the number of poles that come in here that are bombarding some pensioner in Scranton, Pennsylvania, imagine if you lived in right,
if you live in one of those tickets. There are literally thousands of campaigns, polling companies all calling you to ask you what you're doing. You're going to hang up. And that's why I don't look.
At poles, Well, what's given you? What's giving you? Look?
There are a number of sort of you know, large METSA questions. There's a there's a thirteen keys question that sort of looks at you know, all right, And he said yeah, yeah, and which says Harris by a very small number.
I don't know.
My heart says Harris.
My gut.
Freaking out.
Yeah.
Now, Matt, I want to ask a question which you can very well give me. Politicians answer and go somewhere else. But you're not a politician who's like that.
Political parties do.
They have a bit of insight than the public polling, So say like there'll be a news poll that's out every month, or there'll be a resolve that's out every.
Month when it's election time.
Do political parties have weekly data that we don't see, daily data that we don't see.
Typically have overnight data. I don't know what they do. In America, they'd probably do much more and more and more than us have a lot more money. But here in AUSTRALIAA typically we'll do what's called a track and the people are polled every night in typically the key seats that you're tracking, and that will be aggregated into a track number, and then more irregularly you'll look at individual seats on a seat by seat base as are
very difficult now. I've never found those to be particularly accurate, the seat by seat ones, but the track usually gives you a pretty good indication.
Yeah, this is the same inside labor world.
Exactly right.
That's right, the seat by seat the sample sizes so small that you're dealing with is generally a hundred people, you know, don't You don't get much of a read off that, but that's right. If you're looking at the general trend of the long run, the track, yeah, it gets it gets pretty close.
Fascinating to see, all right, lads, I do appreciate it, Thank you very much. We'll see you again next week where I'll ask you a different version of the same question. When it comes to the United States. Now a reminder we're going to be in lawn System. We will be there on October the twentieth. It's a couple of Sundays away before of course we then turn our teasue to queenslande we get back to the United States. But as always, the focus is here in Australia. That's what our focus
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It, we'll focus on it.
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