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Hello, Your week is well halfway over. We're going to Wednesday night here on Paulmurray Live. Is an awful lot to get to the evening, including as we speak, the early parts of the papal conclave are taking place as the cardinals of the world under the age of eighty are starting to move towards the Sistine Chapel, where they
will be sealed for the rest of the day. They will not necessarily hear an awful lot of speeches, but presumably we might get a vote in the next of the wild meaning a pope could be appearing within the show. But at the very least that lovely Irish bloke that we spoke to upon the death of the Pope, We'll go back and have a chatter him. His name's Colin Flynn. His voice I could listen to for an hour. His
insights are very good as well. Election wash up with Steve Conroy and Bromwin Bishop and the one the only Meghan killing any place you'll finder on Australium TV is right here on Paul Murray Live on a Wednesday night.
It was so fun. It was the most epic trol of all time. We just kept making fun of them and spitting out their stupid lines.
Now, the way I'm going to try and start our shows for the next little while is to say, firstly, something we can all agree upon. Now, we all remember the footy teams from our youth, and sometimes the footy teams that aren't around anymore, the footy teams that merged with the other footy teams. A perfect example would be from rugby league in New South Wales and the mighty North Sydney Bears. Oh an era when it was nothing but six pack and a full pack of smokes in
the stands. They was from nineteen eighty two. Will have been gone for a while after the various wars of rugby league and they've never returned. They've tried to find multiple ways back into the competition via the central coast of New South Wales, but it has been confirmed today that the Bears will be moving to Western Australia. Roger Cook, the Western Australian Premier, will be stumping up the cash
on the behalf of the Western Australian people. About sixty five million dollars I think is the cost of the deal. That's not sixty five million a year, but I think that's the deal, and a means a game will be played seven thirty on a Saturday night or nine to thirty on the East Coast. Many Super Saturday just got even more super.
Not only will this be great news for sports fans, it's great news for our economy and great news for jobs. The new club will compete in the NRL Premiership competition for the first time in twenty twenty seven or twenty twenty eight, and it will deliver a return for taxpayers.
Now, the thing is the announcement seems to have made maybe a day early. But when you're stumping up the cash and you want to give you good information that rugby league fans will have a team playing out of the West the first time since the Western Reads back for a couple of seasons in the nineteen nineties. Roger
Cook was faster to social media. For the NROL, they'll have more to say tomorrow, but its chief executive has always been excited about the idea of more teams, particularly one in the West.
It's exciting that we are talking about expansion and clearly Western Australia is a great market for us. You know, when the Western reads were firing, we had fifteen sixteen thousand reads to participants. So it's a great opportunity for us in terms of a national blue brand. Very exciting opportunity and hopefully we were able to finalize something that adds.
A lot of dage the game.
The business case stacks up and we're certainly heading in the right direction.
Well.
Congratulations to all involved, most importantly the North Sydney Bears finding a way to get their logo, to get their name back in lights in rugby league where it has long been lost and very much is well deserved. Let's send our attention to the inquest that is taking place into the events last year at Bondi Westfield when that awful lunatic ran around with his knife and killed too
many people. In this inquest, thus far we have seen incredible detail of the perspective from the hero police officer who ended up confronting and taking him down. But today we also learn about maybe, just maybe a moment when this man could have been caught and may well have been in jail at the time of the stabbings. Now, police and our security authorities they have to get it right. One hundred percent of the time. You think about this in terms of terrorist attacks, that they've got to stop
one hundred of them. It's not good enough to stop ninety nine, but they've got to stop one hundred percent of them. The reality is, in this situation, there was an intersection with police a couple of years before all of this had took place. The person who went on to take those lives in Bondi had called the police on his own parents because his parents in the Mighty part of Queensland that is to Woomba, had taken off
him a series of military knives. This was part of the interaction that police had at the moment and a bit of an insight into the system that means it's very difficult to take people off the streets, even when you know there are weapons and mental health issues.
His mother at that moment telling another officer her son is unmedicated for schizophrenia, has been in a rage and needs to go to hospital, but the officers determine he doesn't meet the threshold for emergency examination.
Because of course he was not a physical threat to the police at the time. But remember the reason they were being called was because of the dangerous weapons that his family was trying to take off him. Also at the inquest today we heard about a fatal flaw in the people who were managing the Westfield shopping center on that day. Now whether it was going to be able to save lives at the very least, a warning should have been done well the moment people knew something was wrong.
But it appears that that warning never happened.
A public announcement wasn't made warning of an armed defender until fourteen minutes after Joel Couci was shot dead. Joseph Gerlin was twenty nine years old and two months on the job, as sent to manager, conceding it should have been done sooner, but said he was terrified and did the very best that he could.
The hearing continues as they say, this is all, of course, about finding out more information about how to prevent things. Interestingly, some things have already come out thus far about the communication system, a lack of communication, and decisions that were made about when people could or couldn't enter the building to try to offer more assistance. I wanted to crime in Victoria before I get to the election, because it
remains a very significant problem. For some reason, there is an awful lot of organized crime that is involved in the fire bombing of everything from cafes all the way through to tobacconists. This is an issue that is causing an awful lot of not just property damage, but fear. And then there was an event which took place early this morning. It was in Camperfield and it was a fire bombing that turned out to also take out a
pet shop that was next door. And for those of us who love our animals, relax, I'm not going to be showing you anything too traumatic. But the result was that many, many animals were killed. This was the store that was not targeted, but the story that was next door to it. According to the Herald's son, the owner of King's Pets has been completely which has been completely raised by fire. Is heartbroken. Hundreds of birds have perished, thousands of fish and also lots of rabbits. It's a
massive shock and we are heartbroken, says the owner. Twenty baby turtles and a handful of fish have reportedly survived. I think you saw part of that in some of those pictures. The local police have referred to the mood of the owner for obvious reasons, not just because they've lost the business, but because they love the very animals that they wish to sell on to the rest of
us as pets. As being distraught business owner has expected as on scene and is distraught along with their neighboring businesses because obviously an incident like this affects multiple persons, not hiding from the election. I'll get to it in a moment or two's time. We'll talk about it a
lot with seven Connery and with Bromwin Bishop. But the Age Care Minister is a person that I have spoken of many times, and I know that she loves blocking all sorts of criticism, as any criticism that she receives on her Facebook page, and she thinks she is on her line to one day being a lot more than she currently is, which is the Sports Minister where she flies around the country well for free on the taxpayer dollars. She gets the seats to all the big games. But
she's also the Agecare Minister. This is a person who loves social media and loves sort of the girl boss and turning herself into a celebrity of Australian politics. Remember she explained the federal budget through the lens of merit at first sight well, as I say, she has responsibility for aged care and while she is not specifically responsible for what happens at each and every age care center, can We read from the Daily Telegraph today that Saint
Jude's Healthcare Services has had its homes sanctioned. An Australian agecare home where elderly people reportedly feeling embarrassed by the smell and not truated with respect, has failed to meet any of the industry's quality standards. It's been slapped with a sanction which means it can't take any more residence, i can't grow its business for the next few months.
The Agecare Watchdog has found that the home and a specific home in an affluent suburb of Perth which is operated by Saint Jude's Healthcare Services, had incidents involving the possible abuse or neglect. The Watchdog had a look at this place in December. It followed with a look in January and most, if not all, of the conditions were failed to be met, as you can see there. Of the forty two that were thirty eight where they fell short.
There's a little less time on the TikTok and a little more time on following up, but at least the system has been able to catch what has been going on there. And the families deserve better, let alone, of course, the residents who absolutely deserve much better than what seemingly they have been getting. All Right, politics here now it begins the demands on a Prime Minister who is still
basking in the glow of that record election win. It doesn't just set him up in Labour Party history but Australian political history as one of the most successful leaders of the Labor Party. Now, one of the reasons I think they were able to get there was because the media was more than fine with them not telling us what the twenty thirty five climate targets would be. You see, the two thousand and thirty targets caused big trouble for
Bill Shorten in twenty nineteen. They had to pretend it was two hundred and seventy five dollars and hundreds of thousands of jobs to get through the twenty twenty two elections. So they thought, Bargaret, let's not deal with it at all. But the reality is, in terms of the left of Australian politics, the law that has already been passed for Australia to cut forty three percent of one percent of
the world's emissions is not enough. And while those numbers have met zero are twenty fifty and forty three percent of one percent is two thousand and thirty. Australia of course wants to host one of these climate conferences, meaning all pressure will be on the Australian government to up the number from where it currently is. Now we know what the consequences of that when it comes to energy, and we all know what the consequences will be for
things like industrial farming. But the election did not include this as a debate, a failure of the opposition to do so. But then again, it itself was not willing to say what its targets would be for twenty thirty five, so everyone just put it in the two hard basket. But instead of having the opportunity to have a debate and then have a vote on it, by not having
any conversation, the number will simply just be set. And with the numbers as they currently are in the House a monster majority and now the Labor Party growing the number of senators it has, will only need the Greens
to pass any increase in those targets. So we read today that Labor Party MPs, along with activists in the party, are now suggesting that the current rate of forty three percent of one percent of the world's emissions to be cut by twenty thirty should become seventy percent of one percent of the world's emissions just five years later in twenty thirty five. Now the teals they too have argued for this before, you see, they have argued that it
should be seventy five percent. So this would have been one of those negotiating tactics should there have been a minority government. But now that that's not needed, it's the backbench and the membership that are demanding it. And today via The Australian, we learned that Labour's environmental wing is pushing Anthony Alberinezi to adopt seventy plus percent emissions reduction targets for twenty thirty five. With the nature of the Parliament as it is, all of this would be law.
There would be no debate, there would be no turning back. And they say in part this should be because of a reward. Why because they re elected Labor MPs and they didn't talk when the government was approving gas. In the past few years, the group of five thousand members poured resources into helping people win environment vote or the Environment vote in places like Benelong, Sydney, McNamara and Melbourne,
as well as Griffith and the party. Activist says that the big majority win on Saturday was an opportunity for the government to undertake major reforms to protect the natural environment. Among other things, she says nature positives should come back. Even though the Prime Minister pretended that was going away,
we told you it was coming back. And Ms Wade has also said that there should be at least seventy percent emissions cut to one percent of the world's problem by twenty twenty five, just to give you an idea of how far left the membership of the Labor Party has gone and thus many of the unions who supported or the members who make up the backbench and even
the cabinet. The idea of seventy percent reduction by twenty thirty or twenty thirty five is exactly the policy of the Greens from the two thousand and twenty year so straight after the twenty nineteen election now gone, Adam Bant,
we're saying seventy five percent. Labor now a few years later says seventy percent, but simply while the Greens may well be diminished from I'll get to that in the second the things that they have believed in and argued for are now front and center, and people who helped get the government a major majority on Saturday are now saying time to pay up. Because we never had a debate about what percentage should be the appropriate percentage at
this last election. Then guess what's going to happen? Major changes currently forty three percent, even if it became fifty three sixty three percent, let alone seventy percent. That has dramatic changes to the way that our country works. But it was all the too hard basket for the past three months. As for Adam Bant, well he's gone. You will have heard by now that the formal call has
been made by the Sky News decision desk. Multiple other media organizations are suggesting there is no way for the bad DJ from Melbourne to be able to find a way to hold on to his seat. Here is Tom Connell making that announcement and explaining his logic as to why there's no chance for the Boy and Green.
We're assuming lots of positives for Bant from here and he still would need sixty three percent. So given that I know there's plenty of vote left, we are now saying the Labour Party will pick up the seat of Melbourne and Adam Bant, the Green's leader, will lose the seed.
Of mal.
Now for those that are saying ding dong the Greens are dead, well I would love it to be the case. As Mark Twain famously said, or probably was just attributed to him, the reports of his death were very much exaggerated. Well you have to say that about the Greens. Yes, most likely they will end up with maximum one seats in the lower House. All of the remaining seats that they had they had four to three of them will
go to Labor. One probably will hold on and that'll be in the seat of Ryan In and around sort of the era of Tou Wong in Brisbane. But the reality is the Greens aren't dead. In fact, they become even more powerful after this election. Why because they're going to have eleven members of the Senate. Those eleven members in the Senate plus the performance of the Labor Party at this election means they don't need Jackie Lambie anymore.
They don't need dor Matt Dave Pocock, they don't need Tammy Tyrrell, they don't need anyone else apart from the Greens to pass anything.
Now.
Obviously, if the Coalition get together with the Greens, that's a mega majority. But every piece of legislation now goes through the door of the Greens. So all I would love to say, ding dong, the band is gone and all the rest of it reality is for a bill to become a law in Australia if the Coalition opposes it,
the Greens are going to be required. As for latest counting, where things are getting slightly better for the Coalition in certain seats, slightly better for the Teal and at least one of those that we had all wished we were going to change on Saturday night. These are the very very thin silver linings in a very very black cloud in the seat of Longman, which is in southeast Queensland. This is one that's been held by the LNP for a long time. Terry Young seems to be doing fairly well.
With eighty percent of the vote counted, he has a lead of four hundred and seventy one votes. Postals will help the LMP pre pole potentially helps Labor. So no one's saying what's going to happen here. In the seat of Bradfield, where eighty seven percent of the vote has been counted, the Liberal is back in front of the
teal t one hundred and fifteen votes. Now, people who voted outside of the electorate absent on the day, those votes may well come back towards the Teal, the postals may well come back towards the Liberal, and then there might be a few others to go. So nobody is saying which way that's going to fall, But you prefer to be in front than behind. Also Amelia Hamer a
little bit in front, a little bit behind. But tonight, with eighty two percent of the vote counted in Kujong Menikue Ryan has a lead of seven hundred and one votes. Again the libs hoping that postal votes, but at some point that's going to start to run out, and whether that lead could be run down between now and then we'll all find out together. And the seat of Monash, I don't know why this hasn't been called, but the Liberal Party is up by nine thousand votes, presumably with
eighty five percent counted. There's an assumption that something's going to happen when it comes to pre Pole. But worth noting, and the one nobody wants to talk about, certainly from the Labour side, is a place in the Act where a Teal is up by two hundred and forty one votes with eighty six percent counted. They were happy for
the Teals to slowly but surely chew up the Libs. Well, there's a chance in the seat of Fremantle and in the seat of Being that it will be a deal that's going to end up overtaking the Labor Party before we get to Ireland. One more thing about the potential leadership and whom should be the next leader of the Liberal Party. Look, officially it's down to Angus Taylor. Unofficially
it's down to Angus Taylor versus Susan Lay. But we don't know what Dan ten is going to do, and presumably he has enough votes to make one of them the leader. Tonight we hear that Susan Lay is offering people jobs to get things over the line. We also hear that Angus Taylor's people is trying to dump research to kill off susan Lay's chances. Again, I say, of the twelve seats that were lost at the last federal election,
twelve of them had more female voters than men. Let's see what happens in the next.
Of the war, all right.
Colin Flynn is the man who is part of the reporting in and around the Vatican right now as the paper conclave has begun its deliberations they started to make their way through in the past hour and joins us now from the Vatican column. Obviously, let's not get down to the who is next, but give us an idea of where things have moved between the Pope's death a couple of weeks ago and where we are going into the conclve have things changed in terms of who we think might end up being there?
Well, you know, Paul, as they say, according to canon law, which is the law that governs the entire Catholic Church, the running of the institution, that says that any baptized male in the world could be picked as the pope.
So technically it could be you, but.
That hasn't happened since the twelfth century, so it will come from the College of Cardinals.
But you know, so much has happened over the past couple of weeks.
Even for myself as a journalist covering this, I think I'm the only reporter of the world who was in weather Sarah's in Argentina, the Pope's home country, standing at the spot where he was born, speaking to his childhood friends, the people who worked closely with and his family, and then flying back to Rome within a few days reporting on his passing.
We had the days of mourning.
When people reflected on what was a complex legacy, you know, celebrated by some, damned by others, are now very much all the attention.
The world's attention has shifted to whom will be next.
In fact, you know what's funny, Paul, When I was walking around yesterday doing interviews to different networks, all the TV cameras have their wide lenses on like this where they get a good shot up for the Silica. Today when you walk past the cameras, like you see the football game, the huge big zoom lenses, because they're all focused on that small chimney right on the top of the Sistine Chapel, the most closely watched chimney on the face of this planet.
For the next few.
Days, and right on, que we take that live shot and I tid you want the seagull in the background. It is currently world famous. Get to hitting all of its mates now. Column again, as we've discussed before, for the cardinals that are there, they have to be under the age of eighty. Many of those cardinals were appointed by the previous pope. And the assumption is that from a theological perspective, that someone in his model is most
likely to come out with the majority. Give us an idea of how many people are in that room, how many people will take their first vibe in about and two and a bit hours. Give us an idea of the makeup of that room.
Yeah.
Yeah, this morning they had a mass inside of the silica behind me, called the Mass of the Holy Spirit.
And you know this is an election. I know there's just up coming out of election season there in Australia. But what's different about this, of course, is that has that strong spirit relement. And we bet they confused.
Sometimes we say it is the Holy Spirit who chooses the hope. That is not the case because when you look back at history, they got the churches has some terrible popes. But we hope that these men are guided by the Holy Spirit. So that mass today the cardinal who led it, Giovanni Battista Ray, he said, Cardinal brothers, let us a vote the Holy Spirit, that we get his strength and his wisdom to pick.
The right person for the church and for the world.
In around two hours time, there will be one hundred and thirty three cardinal electors locked into the assisting chapel out today they're only doing one vote to kind of gauge the temperature.
Of the body. Are we on the same path? Who we have a consensus, a communion. We will have smoked proceeding around.
Seven pm local time during Rome, but we're expecting it to be black now again, who knows tomorrow. They can have up to four votes until they've paid the pontiff, and that can go on three days, four.
Days we expect.
Looking at recent conclaims like the ones who elect for Francis co Benedict for John pol the second, they all lasted around two days, so we're thinking it could be around two days this time. But as we spoke about before Pole, the added complication is that Francis, in an effort to truly reflect the global Catholic Church in all its diversity has picked cardinals from the furthest reaches of the planet, places like Mongolia, South Sudan, and Papua New Guinea.
So not only do these men not know each other as well as cardinals would have traditionally, but some come from more liberal, progressive countries where that will be where they want to put an emphasis. Others are coming from more conservative, more to.
Initial societies and cultures, and.
They will be the values that they want to see reflected in the new pope. So I think it's one of it's a difficult thing for these men inside when they're trying to make a decision.
Yeah, just a yes or that question, because I've got a little problem with your microphone. They just double chicking. Is there any cardinal who's just turned up from Afghanistan? Thank you?
Now?
I think, yes, you're a great camera man. Here is trying to fix the microphone. I think this is someone trying to you know, the evil forces. Oh, it fell off me. That's what happened.
You know what.
We're live.
So I will persevere, and I.
Will hold the smallest microphone in the world.
But you know what, Actually I met the cardinal from Iraq two days ago on the street Cardinal Saco, and
I was actually over interviewing him. Recently, I was in Baghdad, I was in a rebel and just when we talk about Paul, the different cardinals having different points of views, I mean, for someone like him coming from Iraq, where the Christians have been persecuted by Isis and so much over the centuries, you can just see when you meet these people problems that we, thankfully in our countries sometimes
don't even realize exists. When I met the bishop from Kenya, he was telling me, Oh, in our country, we have a big problem with polygamy. People entering the Catholic Church who are four or five wives. What do we do when we quitten them? We also have a problem with witchcraft in certain very rural parts, in terms of people who are born with special needs and disabilities. And so it's a global church, and that's been reflected now at
the moment. I think that's why it's all the more fascinating. Paul, be honest, does this looks ridiculous me holding this tiny microphone.
No, it looks very masculine. There's no question whatsoever. You look fantastic as alls. But consider us a booked for tomorrow and night, and we'll make sure there's gaffer type that locks.
The damned thing down.
All right, lovely to see can you column?
We got through it. Thank you so much.
Back to you, Paul, thank you.
Coluin Flinn is his name. He is with the Catholic News Network. We'll check in again with him this time tomorrow and night. Now. In terms of the vote, it'll be at midnight Australian East Coast time tomorrow. There'll be votes at This is all sort of you know, Sidney Melbourne, Brisbane time six thirty, eight thirty and then one thirty and three am intwo Friday. All right, quick breakbacks with more. We'll make sure all the microphones work, tap tap tap,
everything will be akay. I'll just make sure yes, all right, good, all right, I'll just double check. Okay you you just sit there, but I'll make sure everything's working, okay, come on, is this yeah? Okay?
Good?
What about you?
As always on a Wednesday night, and we have our conversation between liberal and labor stalwarts, legends of their times and very much part of the formary life family. Brom And, Bishop of corseformer Speaker of the House, former senator, former minister, former MPs, she knows the way around her party, which of course copped it on the weekend, nonether than Stephen Connery who's always here to help and geez, how did he help labor and the last weekend? I mean he
was the secret source, who knew, who knew? All right, now, all of us have heard your reaction to the election on different shows. So rather than go over it, I wanted to get to a couple of complicated questions, the bigger than Team Red Team Blue. And it's a difficult conversation for us to have because I want to talk about how we make sure that our system is both respectful to all of the people who are here from lots of different places, and making sure that foreign interference
is kept out of our political system. Now we know in the lead up to the election there was conversations about this volunteer and that volunteer. We know in the previous election, when Kristina Kanneely was trying to crown herself in Fowler again, there were connections too, very prominent groups that had their connections back to the Chinese Communist Party that she was going through to kiss the hand as
part of the process of winning that electorate. We also know that there are at one point four minion Australians of Chinese descent who are reportedly offended at the conversations that even imply that there is any sort of foreign interference, let alone necessary defense conversations that need to take place. Now that's me trying to do it as definitely as possible. But it is big and it is complicated. So let's
say China, Iran, the United States, United whatever, any foreign government. Stephen, how do we make sure that we keep the influence of foreign powers out of our elections without annoying the either former citizens or the children of the former citizens of insert country? Because I don't want to offend people, but I also don't want to flip the country over where this seat is this one and this seat is that one, and if you run the right candidate here, then its hands off.
If we actually identify one country. So let's peak a nice, non controversial want Russia. So we know that Russia has been attempting to influence elections in the UK and in the US, so we need to be alert to it. I mean, Mike burgess As does a fabless job.
Once a year. He gives a report. He talks about the sort of influences.
He talks about what Asia are picking up in the channels that they listen to and in different agencies throughout the world, the five eyes.
Networkers, it's often referred to.
So we're able to keep a reasonable track where some countries seek to influence our politics. But we've got to start on the premise that we must not allow this to happen. That's your first premise. It is not acceptable for Russia or any other country to be trying to influence citizens in our country to vote for one party versus the other because one party might be tougher on it in international politics.
So that's going to be you've got to have that as a premise.
Then you need to be sensitive because not every citizen takes any notice of the country that their parents might have been from. So you have to find that right balance between co out and the simplest way to do it is identify the organizations that you know our fronts, and that's what Mike Burgess has done a great job
over the last few years. You know, going to identify people who are clearly operating on behalf of foreign governments and using associations to try and peddle the propaganda of those countries, whether it's online forums or it's meetings of communities, holding dinners, all those sorts of things. So there are ways to do it in a sensitive way without accusing everybody from that country in the state we're talking in Russians Russian origin, that they might be willing to go
out there and try and influence an Australian election. So there are gradations in there of how we got to do it because it is challenging for both political parties. In the heat in Shanghai, Sam for instance, is on came up because you know, the terminal government wanted to paint the Labor Party this week on soft on China. So you know, the heat, I'm an election campaign or lead up to an actually campaign, people are a little less gentle in their language.
Yeah, correct, But again for those that are half listening for somebody who's going to run after the umpire, I'm not suggesting that this is in any way what changed the election. All right, people made their choice. They made it very very clearly. Okay, But you notice these stories coming and going out of a couple of elections here and Bromwin. Again, you don't want to offend the citizenry, but you obviously have to call out the actions of
foreign governments. How do we do this delicately because I'm not entirely sure that we're able to do it without the power of said government being able to get a message back saying that insert person who's trying to go after the actions of the government really going against the citizens.
Well, it was done with Sam Destiari. But I agree with Stephen. That's why we have ASIO, That's that's its task. And whereas we're not naming any particular country, I mean there are other influences that come to when a visiting Muller who comes and preachs hatred, that's international interference.
Good point.
But also, if I can put it slightly differently, how would you categorize this? Mister Albanezier said he doesn't want to Americanize the Australian system, and yet there are three things he took directly from Biden, who incidentally was the first call. He talk of congratulations, listening student debt, taxing, unrealized capital games, and mercilessly attacking your opponent for character at every instance and tearing that person down. Now, those
things came straight out the Biden administration. That's American influence if you like here now, but then.
If the Conservative Party in the UK works out how to win an election, wouldn't the Liberal Party try to learn from them here? Well, that's true, that's true, But again it is super sensitive. It is really difficult to have the conversation without setting off a whole bunch of flares that don't really exist. They're just the noise on the internet and some serious conversations. But I'll tell you what.
I will be going up and reading up on some of the previous stuff that AISIO has done and its reports, so we can look for it in the next one to highlight it here. It'd be good to see. All right, let's talk about the Greens now again. I'm very excited, right, I was dancing. I was dancing last night about Zoe because she was dancing and then it ended up not happening. Adam Bant now gone. I think this is going to be a unity ticket of all three of us to be happy.
This is such a unity ticket.
Call like that, like that, Okay, I want you to outcompete for glee that Adam band is no longer part of the Australian political system. Browan scalar one to ten. How you feeling about it? Eleven everything that's about minus twitty at the moment. You'll take eleven out of this.
It's quite interesting though you start to look at the figures. Their vote is down all over the place. They've still got eleven senators and that's the real danger because they are going to be in a position to say to the Labor Party, well, you legislate nature positive like we want it, otherwise we won't give you another piece of legislation. So it's going to be in a way, Misra ALBINIASI is going to have a lot of difficulty in governing.
The election campaign who liked was a piece of cake because the countering campaign.
Was not good.
So what I put the proposition is a very large majority a blessing or a curse. And we're starting to see part of the curse. We're starting to see which New South Wales right minister is going to have to take be kicked out so that they can bring in somebody from the left.
In Victoria.
Those fights are going to go on, and you'll know those fights, Stephen very well.
I was going to say, and in relation to that, remember an example, I think it was in the shadow ministry of Bill short And remember when Ed Husick was in and then out because they had to get somebody else. And yeah, well that would.
Be a mistake, would be interesting the way the new Muslim parties would view there.
Yeah, I think he's a very strong minister and in my view of one day leader, which I know is terrible lead in his saddlebags, but I think he's a good bloke.
I really do. Sorry, happy shut up, shut up?
All right, So Stephen again, maybe there's a couple of things into this, but brom Win just quickly finish off.
And then yet, if I can just finish off these minor parties, whether it's the DLP, the Democrats now, the Greens, only life last twenty five to thirty years, and I think times up for the Queens.
All right, Well, obviously they'll havet to cycle that for a little while. But in terms of they haven't lost any Senate seats, I think they got everything return and we'll see what happens maybe in three years time. Stephen sort of two part of there about you know, celebrating the end of Adam Banton. Then you know, be careful what you wish for when you get what ninety seats.
Had ninety seats, Stephen and if he got seventy nine, he might still be Prime minister today.
Correct, Well, not his on Adam bad I did watch extraordinary hypocrisy as he sobbed into the camera earlier this week, sort of like that the Iraqi Minister for Defense all those years ago, saying that unfortunately.
It was it was outrageous.
The Liberal Party preferences were going to knock him out of parliament, whereas his first election and you put him there in the first place, so he won collection off the back of the Liberal and you were you were completely right, broman So he got elected on Liberal Party preferences. So he doesn't get the right to cry because the Liberal Party decided not to preference him and he gets defeated. So pure hypocrisies he sobbed into the camera the camera
earlier in the week. Look, Bromin's right, there is always lots of challenges. Part of problem labors go at the moment and I'm not trying to deliberately contrast to the sort of lives at the moments we are genuinely overflowing with talent. We have a string of people on the back bench who absolutely could easily be ministers going forward, so we are we are blessed on a back bench
that size. That does then therefore me that you have a lot of competition, a lot of desire, a lot of people who want to, you know, get their hand up and get to the front of the queue, and that is difficult managed. Fortunately, Labor has a traditional system. First will be elector the front bench. Kevin Rudd took it away and we've managed to get it back so that the caucus elects the front bench.
So the caucus will be fracturous.
I think the caucus meeting is on Friday to elect the front bench, and after that I think there'll be some disappointed people. I think Albo will get some degree of renewal, and then onwards people will knuckle down to their ministries. People will know the couple of weeks of parliament and then they'll get the break and arrest that they all deserve right across, because there's nothing more growing in the election campaign.
Half Rob Stephen, the other half of the problem is doesn't matter whether the talent is there or not. There are people who come in there who believe they have the talent, and that's when the bickering starts, When the back when starting to backbit it on another one say if you can bring this minister down, I get an opportunity to go in and when you've got a big number, that's when it's a.
All right, So Bromin, I have to ask the unpleasant question, do you even care who's going to lead the Liberals for the next lit the while?
Well, yes, I do care, because whoever they choose, we're going to have to back up.
Yeah.
Right, So.
I'm not going in to say which one I think it should be, because, believe me, anyone who's in that party room does not want to hear from someone outside the party room telling them who they should be voting.
For sure, I just suggest that every single seat that they lost at this election was when there were more female voters than male. That's not suggesting and I'm not endorsing Susan light Just if you want to give a middle finger, essentially be two other options and one that doesn't give the middle finger. There. All right, Stephen, can you give me an idea about your read of this
ninety members of Parliament. Is there more left wing faction members more right wing faction or are we still kind of down the fifty to fifty because that will help tell us about, you know, the internal machine.
Yeah.
So, look, I think on the most current count and there's still ten or so seats that are too close to call. I think the left for the first time in a long time have got a very small majority over the right now because the way we do our internal balloting, we do it on the concept of PR power sharing, and that's probably one of the key differences is how we manage our differences wherever power arrangement based on PR.
So a narrow.
Majority to left is the right used to have sixteen and fourteen and now that will move to fifteen. All so there's no lurch to the left because they've got a small majority. It still works on the same basis that there's this power sharing arrangement. No one is dumb enough in modern labor politics to want to snatch everything just because they've got a water two vote majority.
Yeah, a little bit of advice to the.
Totally self destructive.
Yeah, Look, so we have long established systems to try and manage that, so no one plays winner take all.
And because of that, despite some.
Arguments over the next couple of days, people will move on next week.
All right, good stuff, Thank you guys. Thank you for everything during the election, after the election, and wayne into the future before the next election and after that. Thank you very much. Meghan Kelly joins us next year on Poor Murray Life. It is our favorite time of the week to talk about favorite person in the world, Meghan Kelly from the United States Show. And The Megan Kelly Show is available on all the places you get a podcast, or you can listen to it out Serious XM via their app.
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Thank you, thank you. It's great to be here.
Now, before we get to fashion and space, big news today that the Supreme Court is opening the way for Donald Trump to continue on with his band on transgender people being able to serve in the military.
What do you think, Yeah, this is huge. Trump had lost this at one lower court and won this at a different lower court, and the Supreme Court had to step in. And it's not the ultimate win. This thing was still is still going to play out on the merits in these courses, in these cases as they go forward. But these courts had said you may not implement this ban while the cases are going forward. And now the Supreme Court has said yes he can, Yes he can.
So they are going to separate with the trans so called trans service personnel. They will be ejected from the military and not allowed to join the branches. And as the case plays out on the merits, you know, it suggests that the Supreme Court is of a certain mindset when they actually do evaluate, you know what, whether this band can stand and whether this is a commander in
chief decision versus a judge decision. So I think Trump's probably going to win this on the merits too, But for right now, big victory.
Now, let's get to the cir called beautiful people and their prom the year twelve. Foremost, we would say here in Australia the met Gala. And I'll be honest, as a blurky bloke, I don't care about this event, but I know plenty of people do, and they seem to have had done themselves with wankering in twenty twenty.
Five, I know. And honestly, it's like it's part of a trend. You know, we're seeing this everywhere. Chrissy Tiagan, that moron showed her underwear at the White House Correspondence dinner, which was with the President a couple of years ago. All these Hollywood events now, or like the con Film Festival, like these big events with Hollywood stars, involve more and more parts you never used to show, like maybe you'd have a low plunging back where it'd go pretty low,
but now they're halfway down the ass crack. Paul. I'm sorry, but if you go halfway down the ass crack, now you're starting to think about bodily functions and it's noticeably less hot. That's my own two cents, Okay, I'm just saying, like you crossed over from like really sexy to more like clinical and biology related, and no one wants that. So I just think it's just one upsmanship for clicks. You know, they're dying to feel like they matter.
Beside the loss, we previewed it last week, but now we can talk about the fact that you, my friend have been to Spice.
Three women were brave enough to answer the call.
And it's not a ride, it's a mission.
This is special coverage of blonde Origin, zero gravity, zero clue.
I've been, I've been, Paul. Soon now I can talk about it. I'm inspirational, I'm an astronaut, and thank you for admiring me the way I know all of you do. As a result of my massive achievement, we did the most epic trol ever of those morons on the so called Blue Origin spaceflight, where you could normally go up there for a million dollars a seat, or you could know Lauren Sanchez and Jeff Bezos and go free like
these morons. So Gail King gets off of this flight and Katy Perry and Lauren Sanchez and everybody starts dumping on them again, not unlike the met gala. If they had gotten off and said that was very cool, really honored to have been included, you know, totally unique experience. I'm humbled. We would not be doing have had any fun at their expense. But what happened was they got off the flight. We got profundities from Lauren Sanchez like
so dark, so quiet. We got Katie Perry spending more time staring into the camera on the spacecraft than looking out the window at you know, space and holding her little daisy and then holding her little set list trying to promote her concert, and then coming down telling us how she's sang it's a wonderful world, and how amazing that was. Then then we did anything meaningful. So that's what's led to us reacting the way we have, and Gail King has been the worst of all. It was
a huge mistake to include her. If she hadn't said the things she said, they still might have dodged the bullet. But she went day one, day two, day three post flight ripping on all of her critics. It's not a ride. Don't call it a ride. You never call it a ride when the male astronauts go up there, and then actually said it's astronaut. I still have trouble calling myself an astronaut. Of course you do. We all do, because you aren't one. What are you saying. We took the
same flight path as Alan Shepherd. Alan Shepherd, we talked about this last week, who literally walked on the Moon and was the first to go up in outer space, and she wants credit like she's just like him. The risks were the same. She definitely feared, just as he did, that they were going to turn into one big fiery fireball, which was equally likely in Gail's case and that of
Alan Shepard. So long story short, we decided to go up in what's called a zero gravity plane, which I recommend, and you get fifteen moments fifteen times of thirty seconds of pop zero gravity. So fifteen times I went up and for thirty seconds a pop almost was floating in the air, just like an astronaut with zero gravity, but not an astronaut, and in our case, not in outer space, just at like twenty five thousand feet in the air. It was so fun. It was the most epic troll
of all time. We just kept making fun of them and spitting out their stupid lines, and I feel cleansed. It was extremely cathartic. And only now, Paul, do I feel that we as a society can move on from those morons.
I think that you've touched the face of God, but you haven't just touched the face of God. You've done it with the back of your hand, in that loving and understanding way of touching those we care for.
Yes, like I did it, and I felt that, And then I turned to the camera and gave it a middle finger, because that's really what God told me. He felt about the messaging that was coming out of Blue Origin. Ours is called Blonde Origin, and it was zero gravity, zero clue. That was our tagline and really should have been theirs. I urge anybody given this opportunity to try to have again the theme of our discussion today, some dignity while they do it, and some humility once it's over.
In speaking about your big accomplishment, Well, I.
Am in no danger of being invited to any of those eventsity times soon anytime. I get really awkward at those things. But these people that short of leaved for their found out to be taken this way. No way. But if you do ever get together new or go to the actual museum, it's quite interesting. All Right, that's a chef and I we'll see you again tomorrow. From more Paul Murray Law, I'd like to bite next