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Joe and of course plenty of fun along the way. Now, before we get to all the wackiness overseas with the UK election with Joe Biden and the big question will he or won't he drop out of the race, there's a lot of nonsense going on right here at home we need to tackle. Exhibit A Green's Senator Marine Feruki. Oh yeah, Now, the Green senator who migrated from Pakistan to Australia presumably because there was something about this place that she found more attractive than the place she left,
was on Insiders this morning. Now, I presume that, like me, you missed it, because well Outsiders is yours and mine unmissible Sunday morning appointment. But I caught up with what went on and I just had to share this with you. Fruki said. A bunch of things that were, shall we say, controversial, so it's not hard, so it's hard not to know
where to begin. Among other things, she said this about the so called peaceful protest a Parliament House last week where pro Palestinian activists who want nothing more than a ceasefire that will give a wind to Hamas scaled the roof and displayed, among other things, a red triangle, a symbol witch in peaceful Gaza Hamas worlds means target.
We have a right to protest in this country. We have a right to peacefully protest in this.
Country to security bridge at Parliament House here, a senator, is that something you want to encourage.
We're not encouraging any protests that are, you know, violent, And I think it was a bit rich of the Prime Minister to say that kind of unfurling a banner from the top of the Parliament House was somehow not a peaceful protest. Well, this was a peaceful It.
Is a breach of security though it forces the building to be shut down the Australian Parliament.
Sure, I understand that, but let's also put this into perspective. People are really angry.
Hi, Yes, let's put it into perspective and speaking of Hammas, she had this to say about the terror.
Group Tamas needs to be dismantled.
We listen to the situation with Hamas is that it has nothing. I can't keep repeating it again and again. It has nothing to do with Palestinian statehood and Palestinian self. The question was we have that the Palestineans need to decide where they want to go with their own region, not intervention from Western countries.
That seemed like a pretty easy question for me. A lay up there, dispandle humas, sure, why not? But instead we now have a big issue here because you know, everyone has the right to self determination. Sure, but if a people determine that they want to be run by a violent terror group that attacks its neighbors and in fact, in their own charter, wants to genocide them off the face of the earth, I think we have an issue.
And then Senator Ferruki said this in relation to the whole issue of Senator Fatnaba Pema, who left Labor this past week over the ALP and they're still maintaining a sentilla of support for Israel. Well, she turned the issue around.
You were talking about this earlier on social cohesion and how you know. I find that also, you know, kind of very weird that here we have two major parties who right at this time are dog whistling on migrants and on international students, which is really harming and hurting the community. Stand there and say, oh, we need social cohesion.
Social cohesion. Did you get that? This is the new catchphrase these days, isn't it? Social cohesion? Which is a fancy and nice way of saying, Hey, we've gone so far down this experiment with virtually unlimited migration and the marvels of multiculturalism. Don't you feel enriched that it's all we can do to keep ourselves from killing one another?
All right, I exaggerate, but not by much. And I tell you what it is is a bit rich for people to talk about social cohesion, you know, hey, we're all in this together, and then essentially say that what fought him a payment and others, including a new group calling itself Muslim Vote, is doing, is helping the cause. It's not, because what we are talking about is something that I thought Australia left behind a long time ago, sectarian religious based politics, and in its modern incantation, the
injection of political Islam into the body politic. Now, before I go any further, I want to be really clear here before anybody grabs this and cuts it up out of context. This is not about people practicing Islam. If you're an Australian and a practicing Muslim, good for you, Masha lah I say. Everyone here is absolutely free to practice their faith or no faith at all, as they seek to understand themselves, the world they're placed in it,
and what may be beyond. That's the beauty of this joint. Now, what I'm talking about here is a specific sort of political Islam that is not about social cohesion, but about dividing the nation. You're either Muslim or non Muslim, and if you are a Muslim, you have a specific set of interests issues that you vote on based on your faith and as well your loyalty to the global Islamic
community also known as the Umah. In other words, your primary identity, your primary political compass, is your faith and you vote accordingly. Now, I'll be real frank with you. If you look at the history of the last fifty or sixty years, political Islam of any stripe has pretty much always been a force for division and even eventually totalitarianism at the most extreme, the results can be catastrophic.
The Iranian Revolution saw a secular dictatorship where at least people had basic freedoms exchanged for a mad molocracy that has since nineteen seventy nine exported terror around the globe, including to Israel on October seventh, and kept its people under the thumb of the religious police. The Iranians are Shiites, but for decades, rival Sundi states like Saudi Arabia two spent their vast oil wealth exporting their own brand of political Islam across the Muslim world, from Morocco to Indonesia
and wherever it took hold trouble followed. The Taliban, al Qaeda, and the Bali bombers, all one way or another were tied to this type of political Islam. Now, these are extreme examples, and I am not lumping Feruki in payment in with these people, but they should be looked at as a warning. Certainly, the UK, where independent Muslim candidates have won seats in last week's general election, shows where immigration without integration leads sectarian parties hold electorates defined by
a faith, and it is very strange, very weird. I have to say, to see people on the green left end of the political spectrum, which, when Christianity comes near politics, loses their ever loving mind. Well again, it's funny to see them cheering on the potential rise of a political movement that, let's just say, will not reciprocate the noble sentiment it's expressed by groups such as Queers for Palestine. Now.
The only thing that explains that, I think is that the green left end of politics is so addicted to hashtag welcome stuff, so addicted to anything that it sees as subverting what they would call the dominant Anglo Australian paradigm that they don't see their own interests or at stake here. And I want you to forgive me here because I want to give Albo Prime Minister Anthony Albanizi the last word on this topic. Because credit where credit is due. He said this two days ago.
I don't think and don't want Australia to go down the road of faith based political parties because what that will do is undermine social cohesion and it sends to me as well beyond obvious, that is not in the interests of smaller minority groups to isolate themselves, which is what a faith based party system would do. I know as well that many people who are refugees in Australia have fled theocricies, have fled regimes that have been based upon so called religion.
Well, I got to say, Well, said Prime Minister, but I'd add this, if you want the Australian project to succeed, which even which if we disagree with how we get there, and I think we all do want to succeed, then Prime Minister, stop talking down the country. This goes for all of labor and putting us through ridiculous, divisive exercises
like the Voice. Otherwise, migrants who come from other places with other traditions and beliefs, sometimes antithetical to our own won't see any reason to make the shift and go all in on being Australian, not if the Left keeps telling them what an awful, bigoted, stolen, racist place this is. Now, let's get into all of this with James Ashby, chief of staff from One Nation and candidate in the upcoming
Queensland election, and Chris Picksweety from the pr Council. Welcome to you both, Thank you so much for joining me tonight. Now let's get into the payment side of this issue. Bill Shorten had a big whack at the breakaway Senator with my sky and who's calling Andrew Clenel this morning? Have a listen.
I know that for me and most of my colleagues, we understand we're elected under the Labor flag as charming and as charismatic as individual candidates. People vote for parties quite often, and if I decided I'd leave the Labor Party, which I never will, I would resign my seat because I got there under Labor votes, not under Bill charm. You wouldn't underestimate Bill charm.
But and Bridge McKenzie says this issue is one of Labor's own making.
We don't want to see sectarianism take over Australian politics at all, but this problem is an issue of the Prime Minister's own making, his weakness when anti Semitic behavior has been evidenced at the Opera house, on suburban streets, a university campus, and most embarrassingly, at Parliament House itself last week.
Christy, I want to start with you here on this. Find him my payment guard. I think something like sixteen hundred below the line votes for herself she's there because of Labor and only because of Labor, should she resign? The Senate.
Look very interesting with everybody looking into her quota. Of course, that third spot on the Labor Senate ticket in Western Australia was achieved for the first time because Labor did extremely well in the House of Representatives in Western Australia.
And for those that don't know, the higher your voters in the House of Representatives and the more the more seats your party wins in the House, the higher the quota in the Senate is and the more people you get elected down your Senate tickets, so little lesson that's how that works. She did get more personal votes and a sitting Labor Senator, Glenn Sterl though, so everybody looking into her quota has brought to light that she actually did get more votes than him. But he is not
running off to launch his own political party. Speak to preference whisperers whose job it is to get people re elected on minute quotas by playing the preference system, and he's certainly not entertaining any other party approaches apart from the Labor Party. This is an issue of Labour's own making. They have tried not to address the deep divisions within the left dominated faction, the Prime Minister's faction of the
Labor Party. We know that the pro Palestinian movement is very very strong in the left faction of Labor, the Prime Minister having been a sympathizer to that point of view as well in the past, but they haven't wanted to address it and it has come to the fore in the most disastrous way for the Labor Party as they have tried to keep the focus on their one July measures cost of living and energy.
Really yeah, and now James Ashby, I want to go to you on this too, because this changes the complexion of the Senate and we saw some very fine words with the Prime Minister a moment ago about you know, not having breakaway sectarian parties. But this creates a huge headache for Labor now in terms of getting their legislation through and just to continue on that, you know, what do you reckon are the chances of more of these
independent sectarian seats coming up against Labor. I guess the same way that the Teals took seats off the Liberals in the Lower House at the last election.
Well, it's very interesting because Labour now needs three cross bench members as well as the Greens to get any legislation through between now and the end of what could effectively be the end of this parliament. Before the end of the year as well, it's difficult. And if the Prime Minister, keeping in mind that if he does get another term in government following the next federal election, relies again on the cross bench, it's going to be very difficult.
Because Fatima Payment has another four years to go still on her term. There are questions around the validity of her citizenship and whether she would actually for foul of Section forty four, which we know a number of Labor senators and other MPs have fallen foul in the past, so did we with Malcolm Roberts. But what's really interesting is this case involving Fatima Payment has never ever been
tested in the High Court. Now there is somewhat of a get out of jail card here for those people who come from countries that may have dictatorships that just will not allow people to relinquish their citizenship. We saw samdowski Ai go through this when he was a senator. It was never tested though, and I think there is a cause here for the Senate to have a serious conversation. If Fatima of Payment wanted to, she could refer herself
to the High Court. All it is is going into the Senate when we return after the winter break and making that application through the Senate. So very interesting. There's a lot of play here, and I think though that Labor is going to struggle for the rest of this term because of the fact now they need not just the Greens but also three cross bench members in the Senate to get that legislation through.
Yeah, Christy, what did you make of the way that suddenly all of this Section forty four issues suddenly just conveniently cropped up just now. I mean, surely Labor would have had some idea that this could have potentially been an issue. We said, oh look, look, look, it's certainly on the front page.
Well, the Labor Party has been at pains this week, individual members and the senior leadership to say that they have reached out and they've supported Senator payment. But at the same time we're seeing the curious case of these stories coming to light. So obviously the Labor machine is briefing out against Senator payment, and they're briefing out as well with the Prime Minister trying to rewrite his narrative around when he made the decision to exile her from
the Labor Party. She's saying it hadn't been planned for a long time. He's saying it has been. So there's certainly background briefing against the one that has crossed the picket line, so to speak. Labor takes collectivism and solidarity very very very seriously. I don't think anyone's crossed the floor for an incredibly long time. This collectivism is the
foundation of the Labor Party. The Labor rules were set up in the early eighteen nineties, I believe, and when you run for election as a candidate for the Labor Party, you sign a pledge to abide by the Labor rules and to abide by that solidarity. And there are people sitting in that party room and had to vote for things that they didn't want to. And this is why we're seeing Section forty four and a number of our stories coming out against one of their own.
And I mean we saw that, you know, Petty Wong invoked that she said that she, you know, stood up for the alp position on gay marriage despite being an openly gay woman when they were against it. But James Ashby, I mean, this is this strikes me as such a bit of hypocrisy here because if this was going on on the liberal side of the fence, you know, we saw this with Brittant Archer and Scott Morrison back you know, the last government. You know, they would be screaming bloody murder.
They would be calling alban Asi a misogynist and saying, oh have they got a woman problem, a problem with Muslims and all that.
Yeah, And I think Christy's right, this does show a sign of weakness. Bridget McKenzie's used the same word. I think they're right to use that word. Albaneze was weak. He did not discipline fatim of payment at a time when she knew very well, when she crossed that floor, she knew her time was up within the Labor Party. And to just imagine the those conversations behind closed doors when it came to that decision process. From all accounts, this was a captain's pick by the Prime Minister to
let her get away with this behavior. I'd like to see the next person within Labor get away as long as she did. I was sitting in I was sitting there waiting when that vote went through, We're all in the office said at the very same time there's a brand new cross bench Independent and within hours we're sitting there still scratching our heads, going how is she getting away with this? Why wasn't the announcement made? Days went on. She knew she was facing the acts when she did that.
The Prime Minister didn't follow through. As far as I'm concerned, he's weak.
Yeah, indeed, and I think probably not. I could get a lot of disagreement on that one here, but now, look, let's move on to another sue. There's so much else to cover, James, want to stick with you just for a second because Qui's ad election coming up. Youth crime is now turning into the big issue. Let's have a look at what David Chrisafully has had say about that in a speech today.
Two hundred and eighty nine thousand, six hundred and fifty seven victims in a calendar.
Year, more than Victoria and New South Wales.
Despite their population dwarfing else a thirteen percent increase. Despite the government say that they'd implemented the tough laws to deal with them, the youth crime crisis keeps getting worse under Labor James.
Everybody I talked to in Queensland, particularly friends who live in regional centers, people live in places like Townsville, say this is the issue that's going to determine their vote. Is this the biggest issue? And does Devid Chrisa fully have a way to actually do something about it besides just talking about do you think.
Yeah it is? It's certainly bigeria wherever you go in Queensland. This problem has been going on for a decade now, more or less under Labor, and particularly in regional towns like Townsville. But because these continue to get away with it, that word has spread and now we've got a state that's just inundated with youth crime in particular, but crime in general. And the big issue that we face here in Queensland is these kids just get a slap on
the wrist. It's all well and good for David chris and fully to talk tough, but we're going to make sure the courts follow through with what the people expect. Because while we're attuned to this on the conservative side, one nation have been talking about youth crime for a long time, but we know that it's part of the problem within the court system. You can make all the rules you want in legislation, but unless our judges are prepared to follow through with it, you're never going to
get tough sentencing on these kids. And I'm sorry, but part of this education process also starts at home. Stop taking away the rights and parents to be able to discipline their kids. And I look at kids, you know it starts from a very young age. At the weekend, I was at the sushi train and the kids standing all over the seats, touching everything. Parents have got to start with some discipline at home as well. Teachers have got to be able to discipline within the classroom and
stop being held to ransom by these kids. You know, I can tell you right now we've got two school teachers, high school school teachers in this electorate that I'm in of Keppel, who are on paid suspension right now within the Queensland education system because they dared run in to break up fights. Now you can't do that. Where is the ability for people to hold these kids accountable? So we've got to get some respect back into our youth and that means parents been held accountable also as well.
Our teachers given the power. But law enforcement and our courts have to follow through. So I say, welled under chris A. Fully, he's certainly hearing what I'm hearing, but you've got to get tough on the courts too.
And thank god for those little plastic covers over the fish on the sushi trend too. I mean, you know you don't want to put in the paws all over that too. But Christy, you're down and Melbourne right now they're going the other way and they are going to lower the age of criminal responsibility as I understand it. Now, how do you reckon Victoria which seems to be a state unto itself in terms of common sense around what they do with well pretty much anything. I mean, but
that's a whole other story. How do you think that's going to go down?
Look, Melbourne is a beautiful city to live in and I love it. And if you're looking for that European vibe, as everyone always says about Melbourne, it's certainly now got that recovering from post communism Eastern European vibe to it. That's probably something we don't talk about down at Tourism Victoria. However, because the government is just embedded, they are showing no sign of the votes changing to the coalition. The opposition
here has really manage to get any cut through. Laws that beholden to the left faction of the socialist Left, which is a dominant faction in the Premier, the Premier's office and within the Victorian government here get up. And so this Age of Criminal Responsibility Bill has been on the table for quite some time and there was some pushback against it. The Premier and the Attorney General were forced to take out of the legislation the presumption of
bail for youth offenders. So there was some changes to it that a number of the independent crossbenches together with the Coalition, forced the government to change. But it's a big ticket item for the government here. They really really want to look at that age of criminal responsibility and there is a crime crisis in Melbourne as well in the suburbs. The issue is polling the top issue in a number of focus groups.
Do you think reckon just to follow up on that, Christy, do you reckon that the opposition there will be able to grab that in any sort of way like Chris A. Foley has in Queensland.
I think they will, but I do think the opposition here is scarred from the last time an opposition leader ran for election on a platform of law and order, which of course was Matthew Guy a couple of election terms ago, and it was resoundly thought of among the press and among the coalition and among the public that the law and order policy was too harsh, it went too far. And so the current opposition is scarred from that strategy, as is the party administration, despite it being
a significant issue out in the community. That failure of the policy to land with the public is lingering within the past the administration here.
Indeed, Hey, I want to go to the UK election before we hit to a break here, James Ashby, we had this wild situation where with the first past the post voting system in the UK, the Labor Party got something like a third of the vote and got something like two thirds of the seat. Now that's pretty incredible, but I'm sure that you're also looking at this from a one nation point of view at how reform did
they came in with. I think it's going to be five seats and basically all of those conservative votes didn't bleed to Labor, they bled to reform. Are you looking at this as a bit of a model in one nation.
Well, it'd be nice, but we've got a completely different system. Liberal Democrats did very well over there as well. They increase their numbers and now are the third biggest party in the UK Parliament as well. So yeah, some significant changes. But see, this is what happens when the site called Conservative Party is not longer conservative and they don't listen to what the people on the ground are saying, the
voters themselves. Yeah, they got tired, they got complacent, and that's why they've absolutely been wiped out at this election. And there's no greater message for them to just get back to the grassroots. I hope the Conservative Party predominant one here in this country starts to listen to what conservatives across this country want and to get elected with a thirty four percent vote that is just astounding.
And I mean, Christy, one of the things that I keep sort of having flashbacks to here is Albanize coming in and say I'm going to be moderate, I'm not a radical, I'm not a crazy left. Is Kevin Rudd saying the same thing, And now you know, I'm looking at the people who are going to be in the
front bench here. Their home secretary seems like a complete well dope frankly because he once called out the BBC for asking if the Vatican would put out black or white smoke in the chimney when the Pope was being elected. He thought that was racist. We've also seen the person who's going to be in charge of vimigration. She's posed for hashtag refugees welcome campaigns on social media. This feels to me like this is going to be just a disaster.
Christy Well, it's certainly interesting, isn't it. It's at odds with what's happening around the rest of Europe, with European continental Europe moving to the right. We saw that in France recently with the backfiring of the snap French election by mccron. We've certainly seen it in Italy and a
number of other countries have almost a nationalist uprising. And what's really interesting here, and perhaps contrary to the narrative that James and you were just speaking of about Reform taking the Conservative votes, so yes, it absolutely did, but Reform came second in one hundred and six electorates. Those one hundred and six electorates where it came second ninety three of those were won by labor, so their vote is accelerating in labor held seats as well, so they're
not just taking from the Conservatives. They are on the march to get labor as well, and those numbers actually prove it. The other thing is they got over six hundred thousand more votes than the Lib Dems, who are traditionally been the third force in British politics. And of course the Lib Dems have ended up with way more seats so well into the hundreds than the Reform Party.
But of course it just demonstrates that there is room for the Reform Party to grow on if we look really at the granular level of the number of votes and the great load of seats that they came second in.
Christopher sweet James asked, we're going to have to leave it there. Thank you so much for joining us. Now, I don't go anywhere, because we've got another all star panel for you coming up after the break. We're gonna go to the US and talk about the latest revelations about a doctor who is an expert in Parkinson's disease visiting the White House. Plus Peter van Osslin in The Daily Mail says the next election could be as soon as August, no way, I say. Graham Lloyd and Lisa
Goddard joined me after this Pal Murray Live. Welcome back to the program. James mar here filling in for Paul on Pal Murray Live. We've got an absolute ton of stuff more to get through tonight from around the world, end here at home now. Joined here on the panel by associate editor at The Australian Graham Lloyd and from a Donnie Media Lisa Goddard. Let's get into it first of all, both of you, welcome to the program. Let's go to the US where the bar is? Where is now?
We announ see the leader of the free world have this interview and it was I guess a big victory for him in that he managed to get through a twenty two minute, heavily edited, possibly scripted who knows television interview without completely destroying his campaign. Let's look at what he said. Joe Biden had to say about fears that he doesn't have the mental capacity to go on for another four years?
Would you be willing to undergo an independent medical evaluation that included neurological and cognit tests and release the results to the American deeople.
Look, I had a cognit test every single day.
Every day.
I have that test everything I do.
You know, not only am I campaigning, but I'm running the world.
And let's have a look. Here at what former Obama advisor David Axelrod had to say after the interview. Here's his review.
Well, the question is did he change the minds of voters who were watching that. I don't don't really think so, you know, he jim, I think the thing and some of it I found sad. But he he he seems not to be able to compute the fact that people have these questions about him. He said, I have you know, when George Stephanopoulos asked him if he'd be willing to take a cognitive test, he said, I take a cognitive
test every day. Well, the fact is that may be true, but seventy five percent of the American people think he failed.
Grave Lloyd, let's start with you here. Do you think that after all of that, Joe Biden is up to it? And as a journalist, if you are sitting there and Joe Biden is giving you what he would call malarkey about a cognitive test, well why don't you start running a cognitive test with him, ask him to spell his name backwards, stuff like that.
Well the extraordinary times, isn't that the US president at the moment, And I think the best advice he get would be to stop digging. The more he talks about it and the more he is trying to justify the situation, the worse he looks in, the more he undermines his credibility. It is not unusual for older people to have a
cognitive test, It's quite a normal thing. He should leap at the opportunity to demonstrate that he can do, which I think Donald Trump in fact did that during his presidency when the Democrats were I think, all these same questions about him and putting him on the spot. Biden really needs to demonstrate that he is competent and he can stay the distance. Everything he's doing now really detracts from that impression.
Now, Lisa, I want to throw this one out at you here. It's a bit of a contrarian thought, but we're starting to see some palls here in swing states where the race is starting to narrow, Biden is starting to gain on Trump. Is there a chance that all of this talk about the race for people who aren't switched on is focusing them, and for people out there who just hate Trump, they're suddenly now more focused and the Democrats could actually get a bit of their base fired up around this issue.
You would have to be living under a rock in the US if you were not across the fiasco that is the president right now. So he talks about a cognitive test, He fails a cognitive test every time he's out in public, full test of walking up steps, So you know, you could just tick them off. A doctor
would have a field day with those. But the fact that he got to the point of when when I was asked of you know, if you do end up running and you do lose to Donald Trump, you know how you feel how you feel about that, And he was just completely it didn't buy into it at all. He does not accept I don't think that he has a problem, full stop. End of day. When he refers to the fact that well, it'll be up to God that will be the only time that he will stand down, well says it awful lot, doesn't it.
Well, I mean it sounds like a farside cartoon waiting to happen, Just challenging God to take him out of the race. But Graham Lloyd here, you know, we are starting to get some real information about what the actual nature of this problem could be because the New York Post has had this extraordinary bit of reporting where they've found that a top expert in Parkinson's disease, a guy has been in this game for decades from the Walter Reed Medical Center, has been visiting the White House and
talking to Joe Biden's personal physician. I mean, surely, if this is the case, we have the right to know the American people, but also the world his allies, their allies here in Australia. This can't go on. It's a dangerous world we're seeing. I mean, what must China and Russia be thinking at the.
Moment, Well, they would be looking at this, and I would be saying a weakness and distraction on the part of the United States. And anybody who has had elderly relatives can see and understand what cognitive decline is and what it looks like. And certainly, looking at Joe Biden's performance in the debate, you could see that he had
that far away stare. He was distracted, and it's not unreasonable to think that there is some degenerative thing going on and those around him really should be the ones who step in and say, for his own dignity, it's time to really pass the baton.
Yeah, hey, look, and I mean I think that all of us agree that if this was a relative of one of ours, we'd be having some pretty tough conversations. You certainly wouldn't be letting him drive. But I want to move on to another topic. You'll bring it back close to home here. Peter van Anselin in the Daily Mail has made a stunning prediction here and I want to get you guys leads. I'll go you first here
on this and they armine easy. He says, well, do an election, an early election as soon as August thirty one, this despite the RBA meeting and a couple of weeks got a Queensland election to get out of the way. What do you think about this prediction here, Well.
It means that he would have to call it within what three weeks time? So six million people in this country are said to be under extreme mortgage stress. So while everybody who was on a variable rate or struggling with their mortgage will be watching what the RBA's decision
is with that next interest rate rise. I would suggest here tonight James are the only other person who would be watching this more intently will be alb and easy because if he gets an interest rate rise there, he can't possibly call an election that soon, you wouldn't think. But then the risk is does it let it run and then call it and possibly get an interest rate rise in September. So that's the game that he's playing here.
I would have thought he would have pushed it out until at least next year, but he's just in a lot of trouble and it comes to what's happening with this economy right now?
Well, I think it's really interesting because I think that we are in a situation now where he's got to time it perfectly because the worst things get and they are going to will get worse. The worst is going to bleed. But Graham Lloyd, one thing I'm really struck by too is you look around the world recently. You know Emmanuel mccran thinks, oh I have a genius move, I will go to the early election. It all blows up in his face. Excuse the French accent. Please don't
send any complaints. We saw Richie Sunak do the same thing and you know again fell over completely on him. Is this trend of trying to go to an early election and game the electorate in a time when voters are so anti whoever's in power messing with him like that? Surely that's not a winning move anymore.
No, Well, there's the calculation has to be made. Where's the peak time to run? I think in terms of pet Van Onslan's copy. Look, this is a good story that's going to bat around for some time. When will the election be held? And I'm sure the Prime Minister is calculating it. He's got a couple of things running against him at the moment. One is that the economy isn't coming under control as quickly as people would like,
so there could be an interest rate rise. The other is the rise of these microparties and independents starting to be a real threat, particularly in Western Sydney. If that momentum it continues in that area, it makes it more difficult for labor. So he's got a very difficult choice to make. I think the end of August did be pretty early. I would say still next year, after Queensland has had an opportunity to bash Labor around a bit up there.
Yeah, I mean I think that it would be what they called the Yes Minister, a brave decision Prime Minister to do something like that. But I'm glad you mentioned Western Sydney because there's another fascinating story going on right now. The Australian, your newspaper, Graham reported that Frank Carbone very popular Western Sydney mayor. He's taken on the government on
a lot of issues. He backed Die Lee, who was the candidate for Fowler, who's a great independent there, who's now who knocked off Christina Kanneely's attempt to get into government the last election. He's thinking of running against Chris Bowen. Lisa Goddard, what do you make of this? And is Laboring now in real trouble Between Frank Carmone and some of these Muslim vote seats that were or candidates, we might start to see that I spoke about at the beginning of the program.
Well, it's absolutely a repeat. If you look at what the Teals did in the past election. This time they're going to go up against the Muslim vote and it has to only be a matter of days if not weeks before. Surely they start to field some candidates out there, but to have someone who is local, he's popular. He's been very well well seen across the Sky network, especially during COVID, people were looking at him for some sort of voice of reason, So he has that grassroots support there.
And look, Bowen has come out put his neck on the line with all this energy policy that everybody is paying for. And I think, James, you ran a story earlier this year on WANT that was like sixty something percent of people in Bowen's own electorate were in support of the nuclear band being lifted. So they're not going to be usually behind Bowen, I would think, with his
energy policy and his anti nuclear stands. So you know, a bit of homegrown, local, strong candidate being put up against him might work in our favor.
Well, And did I mean and Graham? This is a really sort of funny thing. The thing that's always struck me about Chris Bowen is that he represents this very working class heartland, kind of western Sydney seat, and yet the positions that he goes out with are entirely you know, practically teal, Oh we don't like nuclear, Oh we love the net zero and everything else, you know, as if everybody in his electorate were all heavily invested in some sort of you know, renewables fund.
Yes, that tried.
No.
I think the telling line in that story you referred to was that Chris Bowene is thinking about his own future and may not be hanging around. Certainly there's a history of sexful former local government people going into federal parliament. I think Ted mack Is is a good example. So that's a real challenge in.
A seat like that.
Put together with the high Muslim vote in that seat, you start to really break down the primary numbers, and then where it all ends up is it can be anybody's gas.
Indeed, all right, listen, you two don't go anywhere, and you don't go anywhere either, because we've got much more to discuss with Graham and Lisa after the break, including block Headed Australia's promise not to slow down their efforts against our industry. After the break, Welcome back to the program. James Mara here joined by Lisa Garnard from Adoni Media and associate editor at the Australian newspaper. Graham, Lloyd Well guys,
Blockheaded Australia. I don't really know what to say about these chuckleheads except they're causing an awful lot of problems around the Newcastle Hunter area. They're making life miserable for people up there. They're putting other people's lives at risk, they're putting the local economy at risk, all because they think that they've got the moral high ground on climate change and they're saying they're gonna keep it going. Have a listen to this, let's try.
It sucks. I mean, the continent itself, whatever you want to call that continent is a very beautiful place, but it's built on extraction. It's built on stolen land. The nation state is built on stolen land. We export nothing but call weapons and misery.
Lisa, this is so good. They've tied the whole thing up in a big bow. It's not just climate change, its Australia sucks. It's stolen land. Who is advising them on their pr here?
Yeah, they've got every possible complaint you can have on the checklist and t tick tick tick. Look, I don't know. I look at these extinction of rebellion people who are out there supergluing themselves the roads or buildings, or I have the thought that, look, you just need to leave them there. If we just started to turn our back for a bit, apart from the traffic chaos it causes.
But if you weren't there to rip them off the floor and get them out to safety, and you just left them, how long would they actually be committed to the cause and stay there. And my second point, James, everything that these people are wearing somehow comes from petrochemicals. They're not out there in in a bark cloth, they're out there in clothing, carrying placards, using rope, et cetera. All come from petrochemicals. It makes no sense and all
they're doing. Two hundred odd trains have been disrupted because of this. All of the people who are wanted to go out there, get to health appointments, get to jobs, keep this economy going. They're the people that they're interfering with. They're the people they're impacting. And then they go through the courts and this one bloke got seven hundred and
fifty dollars as a fine. So they've got the legislation they need to start punishing these people because if there's a real deterrence and they oreut faced with two years jail or twenty two thousand dollars. Fine, perhaps they won't be out there impacting people who are out just trying to get on with their life.
Well, perfectly well said. I mean it's not just their clothes, it's also these phones that they use to broadcast this idiocy. I mean, Graham, Lloyd, this is just a huge failure of the system that I mean, you know, Lisa said, leave them there. I quite like the European videos which I watch all the time when they pop up on my Twitter feed of people just getting out of their cars and yanking people off the side of the road and throwing them on the side of the road and
just driving through. What is it going to take to get the judicial system to take seriously their role to protect you know, not just lives, but also our commerce, our industry, our economy.
Well, I think it's a terrific thing to have people like this explain on camera exactly what they what they're doing, and what they really think, because you can see that it's a real spaghetti junction going on there in the head, a whole confused mix of nonsense. You get to the point of the protests and it really is the same old anti capitalist rhetoric about we want to find the choke point and close the place down and then somehow that everybody's going to be happy and better, which is
a load of absolute nonsense. So they need to be exposed. And you're right, the courts really need to err on the side of people going about their business and not being unnecessarily interrupted.
Absolutely. No, I've only had a minute left here. Consequences, bingo. That's big week coming up, Lisa god On, first to you. What is your big bold prediction for the week to come, Liza, I think the.
Civil Libertarians will jump all over the LMP for their adult crime you do, the adult time policy that came out on the weekend.
Well that's a big one there, Graham Lloyd, where do you reckon We're going to go a domestic prediction or an international one?
Well, well, domestically, I think the problems for the government over getting worse, not better, and what we were discussing in terms of election timing and how to manage all the disobedience that's being portrayed isn't going anywhere.
Fast, quick, quick one word answer from you. Does Joe Biden go to the election. Y does he quit, Lisa, He.
Has to quit. He has to quit. Please, he has to quit. He is the leader of the free world at the minute.
That's just frightening, Graham, your thoughts, real quick question, without notice.
Yep.
I think he stumbles and doesn't make it.
That's right. That's a unanimous all three of us here, Lisa got our Graham Lloyd, thanks so much for joining me tonight. I'll be back tomorrow night, filling in for Paul Murray Palmery Live. Don't go anywhere because the Royal Report is next