Paul Murray Live | 7 August

From the Skying In Center. This is Paul Burray Live.

Thank you, Sherry, thank you so much for watching.

What a big show we have for you tonight, Meegan Kelly on the big decisions out of the United States and the dingdong that we know you love, which is broadly Bishop stevehn Conroy.

Lots to get into, so let's get to it right now now. Of course, lots of happy faces in and around the Olympics.

Shortly we will go to Paris to find out the latest on the kid who is currently behind bars.

We'll get to that in a moment or two stime.

But there is an expectation, by the way that the previous ticket tape parades and all the rest of it that have previously been there for Olympic and now increasingly important Paralympic athletes, well, that is going to happen.

Now.

It won't happen immediately after the Paris Games.

Instead, they're going to wait for the Paralympics to finish, was confirmed today by the News of Wiles premiere. Around September thirteenth is when there'll be some sort of an event, be a ticket tape parade or just welcome home party. In the park whatever that'll take place there around the middle of September.

Melbourne.

Nicholas Reese, the Lord mayor there, has also made a decision that the council will help fund what is going to be taking place in that city. No doubt Brisbane will get involved. Now, whether there will be one athlete there or not, we'll all have to work out together. But as you know, the news this evening is that an Australian hockey player, after finishing up at the Games, decided to have a night on the tiles where he apparently tried to purchase cocaine. Instead, police swooped and he

But here we go.

You're out in the front of the clink, this kid, Tom Craig, I say, kid, but twenty eight tell us the latest that you know?

Well, I can tell you he's in custody here at police headquarters. We're at this building now here in Paris. Paul. He's been here since about midnight last night. When he was arrested by French police over allegations that he tried to purchase cocaine. Person he tried to purchase those drugs from also has been arrested. This is not a great look for the Australian or the Australian Olympic team at the moment. We are expecting that he will come out

He is expected to give a short statement.

We're also expected to hear from Animeir's, the Chef de Micheon of the Australian team later this afternoon Paris time.

Paul.

It will be interesting to see what sort of penalty is imposed. There is the possibility that he may just be fine. Paris in twenty twenty or France in twenty twenty enacted new laws that meant that for a drug possession fine for a small amount of drugs, the potential penalty is just a fine of two hundred euros that can be reduced to just one hundred and fifty euros if it's paid early.

So there is the.

Potential that it might just be a small slap on the risk for the Australian hockey player at Tom Craig, but he's probably having not the best time at the moment inside this police building here in Paris.

Yeah, so the expectation is that will at the very least see him, as you say, whether we hear or not, his choice, lawyer's choices, all the rest of it. The chef de Michon you can't hide, has to talk about all of these things.

But interestingly, apparently one.

Of the as you say, the person on the other side of this, the dealer, was also brought in.

The suggestions of what I'm reading here in.

The local press is that he was caught with seventy five ecstasy pills seven vials of cocaine. He was also arrested, So one would imagine that we well, either he leaves the police station a lot later, but at the very least he's in a much bigger world of trouble than the athlete.

Yeah, I'd say the expectation is that he will be in a lot more trouble than the Australian who is likely facing just a possession charge. From the reports we've seen, he was found in possession of about one gram of cocaine so that would be at the lower end of the scale. But the person who was caught allegedly trying to sell him the drugs, I think it was a nineteen year old man. He may be in a far bit more trouble. It's been an interesting Olympic Games, I've

Have you got your hands on one of those cardboard beds, because I think that we'll pay the extra haulage for you to get that back to Darwin.

No, not yet, mate, I'll do my best to see what I can. I've seen a few videos coming out of the athletes village. I saw one of the athletes trying to test one out just to prove what was actually capable on one of those cardboard beds. A little bit of controversy about whether it could actually be used, but no, I haven't got my hands on one of them.

All right.

I think it'll make a great YouTube video and we always love the content at sky News dot com dot I you thank you mate.

We'll talk to you again a bit later.

The best of the business, Matt Cunningham are normally in Darwin, but in Paris right now covering the latest about what is happening, which is very much off the field. So let's get back to the news and here in Australia, which of course is always centered around things like cost of living. Now today I wanted to talk about this because there is an extraordinary example of where things are hurting the most in the country.

Now.

We remember that towards the end of last year, Poles told us eighty percent of people didn't think that the government was doing enough of a job. And we know that the Prime Minister, always thinking about cost of living, was doing so on the internet last night when talking with Olympians.

Yeah, just secured to metal.

So I'm about to fight on Thursday to change the color.

Awesome so yeah, you're in the semis I am yes.

So no woman's ever won a boxing medal be force, I've secured that.

So to the early morning for you, so out.

To set your alarm.

Oh look, we're been getting up very early.

Here.

You can see my little friend here.

Ah, that's Toto. When they're more excited about the dog than the prime minister they're talking to, you're probably not winning the fight. But of course DJ Elbow's got that special connection with the kids. So even though he knows that the majority of the country doesn't approve of the way he's handling this issue, and certainly his own prime ministership check every poll, including even the ones in the Guardian,

Oh my goodness me.

As for the reality check, we got that yet again from the Reserve Bank yesterday Michelle Bullock made it clear that nothing's changing for the next six months or so, and even greater detail came today via a Senate inquiry where the Assistant Governor Sarah Hunter made it very clear that there are different parts of the country that are

A second job.

There's also a bunch of people who have a job but they would like to work more hours, but they're unable to work more hours. But often we talk about a cohort of people in Australia who may well be on things like benefits from Centerlink, who put simply are not working now.

Interestingly, again, Bureau.

Of statistics, that far right wing think tank decided to give us an insight into one point three million people aged between eighteen all the way to seventy five about why they don't want a paid job. Now, amazingly, of this whole group, one point one million people are apparently available to start work in.

The next four weeks, but the overall.

Sort of missing two hundred thousand who just don't want one well or wouldn't be able to start one in the next four weeks. One of the reasons for this when it comes to women, it says that the job they weren't available for a job if one came up in the next four weeks because they're quote caring for children forty one percent, long term health condition or a disability twelve percent of these people or nine percent of

Whether you be male, female, young.

Old, be your partner, your child, a friend, or anyone else. If you are a career in this country, I want to say, we see you, and we thank you. And the person whom you take care of well, their life is oh so special because you.

Are the one taking care of them.

When it came to men.

Who weren't available for a job if one came up.

In the next four weeks, again, twenty six percent say that a long term health condition or a disability, or four percent say caring for children. So again an insight into it times the gendered nature where the majority of those that are caring are female. Now, yes, there will be many men that are care as as well. I repeat strength and love to all of you and what you do for our country as well as for the people you are taking care of It means the world to us.

Thank you. Now.

When it comes to this Prime Minister and the ministers that are around him, there are plenty of examples of hypocrisy. But rather than using the same word that are so many do, I like to use a little term called each way albow. And a perfect example of that would be his constant refrain that his government would be more transparent than the evil government before him.

Honest and transparent.

A government going forward who will make it transparent.

We're being transparent. We will operate in a transparent way. Transparent, we're being transparent.

Now again, in the gradient of language, we can go liar as the most obvious one. But people feel a little uncomfortable if you call the Prime Minister that.

So if he's a hypocritical people are okay with that.

The one that plenty can agree on is each way elbow, where clearly says one thing does another says one thing says the opposite, And a perfect example when it comes to transparency. Transparency transparency is the way that his government deals with people before they produce legislation to go through

Now.

It have been people who have confronted the government about this in Canberra and she deserves much credit for this. And the she I mentioned is Senator Paul and Hansen who talked about this very practice in the Senate.

Why is a prime mister failing to enforce this principle deliberately withholding draft legislation from public scrutiny and requiring non disclosure agreements be signed before stakeholders can scrutinize these proposed laws.

We've done this many times, not on pieces of legislation that really were going to affect the stock market. Instead, this was stuff to just make sure they could get as many people into the room as possible to tell them what they're doing, rather than negotiate what they are doing. Chris Powen has done this many times in the past, but most recently, of course, it was all of the people representing the auto industry as they turned around and introduced things like the UTAX and the pollution taxes.

Previously there have been groups.

Like the Greens which are negotiating legislation in the Parliament, or disability groups who had to sign NDA's as well when it came to the disability system. Well, today, same story, but a slightly different reaction, and I want to say well done to the people who are saying no to this practice.

Now.

I may disagree with them on many of their solutions to the problem gambling problem, but the government is currently talking about changes to the amount of advertising of sports betting or gambling that you can see on television now, as you know, there were plenty who say all of this.

Should be wiped away.

There's also quite a reasonable position, which is mine, which is it's a legal product, therefore you should be able to advertise it short not during kids time, and sure not in and overtop over the top fashion, because let's be honest, unlike the two publicly funded broadcasters that we have in the country, revenue must come from somewhere and

Attached to the government briefing.

Is a twelve page non disclosure agreement, a legally binding document to keep the information confidential, repeat, not one.

Page, not a couple of life twelve.

Tim Costello, brother of the former Treasurer, well known as of course, a man who is very much against particularly things like poker machines. He told the Guardian, how can we sign something on an issue.

That's already in the press.

We're very happy to be briefed, but no, we will not be signing a non disclosure agreement.

Good.

I've been working in gambling reform for thirty years. Never once have I been asked to sign a non disclosure agreement.

Good Again.

The myth of transparency, the myth of consultation, the reality take it or leave it. And because we're the government and we can regulate you or we give you money when it comes to funding, everyone, well they roll over

No, maybe that high.

No, instead take it or leave it, And I repeat. The reason people sign this is so that they can keep staying in the room, because if you're a lobbyist, that's the reason.

For your job existing.

If you're the person in government relations again, your reason for existing. If you get cut off by the government, well, then of course there's no purpose for you and the way that you make money. So the government again is take it or leave it. But everyone else has to shut up until the public finally gets told what was negotiated with everyone else. But we never really know what was negotiat because people sign a non disclosure agreement.

What was that word he promised again?

But been transparent. Now, another little thing that is being negotiated as we speak is about electoral reform. Now, before you fall asleep, this matters why because it's the entire system. It's the system by which we get to choose the people who then go on to write the laws. Now, of course, the most inconvenient thing for politicians is to have to deal with the public. But elections are the

Now.

Not to mention, of course, unions are considered independent in this process, despite the fact that they are literally part of the constitution of the Labor Party. A Labor MP or senator must be a member of a union when it comes to these laws, they are magically independent. So the Labor Party in any one seat, even if the maximum is one hundred thousand dollars that anyone candidate can spend. The reality is once the unions get involved, that's two

Have a two dollars three dollars, four dollars five dollar.

In places like Queensland, where there's more than twenty unions unions, you could end up with a twenty to one capacity to outspend anyone who wants to challenge you. But again, for the Teals, they like a system when you can outspend everyone else, so they'll probably find a way to

That shouldn't change at all.

There are all sorts of ways that parties can get around these caps, like paying for statewide TV ads out of unwinnable seats, or senators spending money in seats that benefit MPPs. At a fundamental level, if ten thousand people gave one hundred dollars each. Why should you not be allowed to spend that money? That feels like democracy?

Now, you know, my background was in radio, so I am always keen to talk about achievement that happens in radio. You know how big a fan I am of Kyle and Jackie O and how often they are able to get more than a million listeners on any one day.

Awesome.

Well, obviously I also want to celebrate and congratulate people who we interact with here at Sky News, and Katie Wolf is the morning's announcer on Mix in Darwin. She's been on the radio there for now ten years. She is essentially the chief talkback person in Darwin. Now this matters because, of course the seat of Solomon, which is in and around Darwin, it has gone liberal labor. Liberal labor really important. There's a territory election that'll be playing

When it comes to this guy.

And he said a certain tone today while introducing himself to America is that he's willing to get right in the gutter.

And I got to tell you, I can't wait to debate the guy, that is, if he's willing.

To get off the couch and show up.

So why is the couch a reference? Because the Internet had convinced itself that JD. Vance, the Republican vice presidential candidate, had apparently been intimate with that piece of furniture, But interestingly, the Associated Press put out a fact check saying no, that didn't happen. But then, because that was positive news for the Republicans, and it denied people like the governor their chance to have a go Advance, guess.

What magically disappeared from the internet.

Oh that's right, the fact check saying that what he went on to joke about wasn't true. Nothing to see here. Now, the same media that told you that Joe Biden is completely fine and Kamala Harris is absolutely not a lefty are the ones that are trying to tell you that her pick for vice president, endorsed by Bernie Sanders, is an absolute moderate. Nothing to see here, just a country fellow made good.

The idea that Tim Wallas is unelesty is just not true in reality. He got elected in a district that was very moderate. Walls, of course, was very moderate in Congress.

Establishing himself as a moderate Democrat.

He had a pretty moderate record, rather moderate Democrat.

Viewed as a moderate Democrat, he is a centrist.

To say that he's more liberal than Vice President Harris or the most liberal congressman, which I'm sure we're going to hear.

Of, just not true.

So in his own words, what's his position on socialism?

But we can get out there, reach out, make the case, and for one thing, don't ever shy away from our progressive values. One person's socialism is another person's neighborliness.

What's his position on keeping illegal immigrants like ten minion of them that have come in under Kamala Harris as vice president and her current boss Joe Biden, what's his position on keeping those people out.

Of the country?

A plan that's out there, talking about it with folks knowing that he's not going to do anything. He talks about this wall, I always say, let me know how high it is. If it's twenty five feet, then I'll invest in the thirty foot ladder factory. That's not how you stop this.

And NIV Trump is like John McKain Steward to Megan mckin, what's their reaction to this incredibly moderate peak by Kamala Harris?

And I listened to a bunch of podcasts and interviews with Tim Waltz because everyone was buzzing about him, and by the time I got to our vacation destination, he scared the crap out of me. But his stance on gender affirming care is radical even by like the most progressive people, and anything having to do with the twenty twenty riots and the summer of Hell, I mean, Minnesota was ground zero, and he is like defund the police.

There's only so many times the Jedi mind trick works. Biden's okay, Harris is not of the left.

Will it be third time? Lucky? Well, the media thinks it will be.

We'll all find out together in November, quick break back with more p needed debate. Megan Kelly joins us as well before we're done, to talk about this bloke and what he's really like. Our favorites on a Wednesday, the carry out a champions none other than Bromwin, Bishop of the Man who's always trying to take a.

Throne but for some reason always just can't get there. But he's here to help.

Stephen Conroy, of course, Sir, joining us from Melbourne. Now, before we get to American politics, which I know Stephen in particular is fascinated with, and on Obram when you've got lots to say about who Harris has picked Meegan Kelly on that a couple of minutes time. Let's talk about what seems to be different worldviews between the two sides of a coin that determine how inflation is fought

Ah, The fact is that if the government doesn't pay attention and play the right role fiscally i cut back on its expenditure, then inflation will go high and there could be an interstrate hike. Now, if you had the choice of believing the head of the RBA or the snake charmer, which one I'll take. I'll take the head of the RBA. And she made a lot of sense and was backed up by a lot of other people too.

Oh okay, just give me an idea. Why do you know more than we do?

What's well?

Why is that date the one that jumps for you?

Well, you know, I've said all along I thought there'd be an early election. I said that the tax cuts wouldn't last till next May, that it's more likely to get worse before it gets better. And I think the determination of the Reserve Bank and its statement makes it clear to me that it is going to get worse before it gets better. And looking at the dates that are available, seventh of December.

All right, Well, I don't know if you're betting lady, but feel free to back it in. I don't know what the odds are right now, if there's even a market, But she's framing it for everyone.

I appreciate it.

Stephen. Again, what does this mean for normal people?

And again I.

Understand the treasure is not going to move there's all political consequences and around that the Reserve Bank is going to some degree cover their own backside because of previous decisions. But what does it mean when they're not in the same place.

Look, I mean to answer Bromwin's question, you know who do you want to believe? Bromin, I've got some bad news for you. If you're back in the RBA's economic forecasts, you're going to be embarrassed. In the last ten years.

I'm just taking it.

They have got there, they get it.

They have got the real wage forecast and the wage She's been wrong every year for ten minutes. It's the treasure, that's the Reserve Bank institution.

Okay, estimation wrong every year.

Treasury forecasts are wrong every year.

Yeah, and I am I promise you I am not going to disagree with you about them. But if you when you say you want to believe that Michelle Bullock only for twenty years, and I agree with you that Treasury forecasts on taxation levels and all those sorts of things have been fantasy.

But let's talk about the.

Reserve Bank every time every.

Time, Brotherin, If you could just stop interrupting so I can just actually answer something so for now it's.

Okay, you're not going through it.

Okay, I'll just talk over you finish.

I'll just ignore you. So Reserve Bank on wage forecasts wrong. So what do they say is driving inflation again?

Now?

Wage forecasts? Well, I've been wrong for ten years. They're not suddenly going to be right this time.

Do you know how many.

Quarters, how many quarters the Reserve Bank had the inflation between two and three percent in the last ten years?

I'm staking, Yeah, that's it.

The mob, this mob shouldn't sit there pretending they're the oracle, that they're right.

They are wrong again.

They were wrong last year. They pushed them up late, they pushed them up too hard, and they're risking pushing Australia in the face of declining GDP, in the face of nowhere near the wage growth to talk about. They are looking to push Australia into a recession.

They should be called recession and.

Reserve right never won low interest rates.

All right, let's talk about what I mentioned last night. We've all seen plenty of things from desperate governments of all different persuasions, state, federal, all the rest of it. But is there anything more desperate than the queens and government pretending that they, if re elected, are going to buy or build twelve different petrol stations. They'll be government owned and somehow this will magically pull down the price

But an absolute joke, he is. You know, all this wish list.

That they're throwing around, you know the fifty cents that they've started, now the transport putting the state, what six billion dollar debt that's going to you know, rubbing Peter to pay Paul. The taxpayer is going to have to pick up the bill.

Here.

They are desperate, They are so desperate to win this next election, and I hope people don't fall for this false promises. He needs to be held to account.

Is an absolute blanker.

Well that was the punchline, of course, two Giggles, But you can see that on the Korean Male's website, which is Paul and Hanson just waking it away, and quite correctly so, Stephen, You've seen plenty of desperate things from plenty of governments for a particularly long time.

Where does this rank?

I think if I was creating from one of my traditional favorite shows, yes, minister, I think this will be described as a courageous policy.

Yeah, Brobin the same, right, this is courageous. I mean, honestly, no one falls for this, apart from the other people in the room going great idea, boss, giggle, giggle.

I think they should add to it. They could build a whole range of Hamburger stores and bring down the price of hamburgers.

I mean, you know, I mean, don't forget they sell junk food in MENI service stations, So perhaps there's a plan to bring down the cost of twirlves.

Well yeah, I mean, you know, you could rend out the lows in the petrol stations and send up the price of blue paper.

It's so stid. It's really so stupid.

Which thankfully brings us to the American thing, which is kind of stupid too.

But well, we know wh Kamala Harris is running.

We know the combinations here, and look, I think it's I think if you actually look here, it's pretty damn obvious that basically the left is backing in the left as the right is backing in the right. Okay, this is an absolute fork in the road election that has consequences, serious consequences of which type of America is spat out

Away from the Van scenario.

Hence why these are just people that are there to back up the big dog. I think Stephen his main purpose is to be able to quote unquote speak Republican or something like that between now an election day. He showed that in a rally he's willing to go low, and of course go low produces a grab, which means you could win a news cycle as opposed to him actually moving states.

I don't think anything happens.

Now.

Look, I think that's a fair assessment. Paul.

My daughter said to me, when you got back from school today, what do you know about this blow, to which my response was nothing. I'm not interested in him. He's a news story for twenty four forty eight hours. He's irrelevant, just like Dvance's ultimately to the broader debate.

Well, I literally looked through the deeper parts of the polls today, not searching for better news, but just trying to find whether something fundamental had changed. The economy, Trump's still favored by a big margin. Immigration, Trump's still favored even in the ones that are suggesting that either Harris is bumping or slightly in front. Again, no one votes about who these vice presidents are. Instead, it's about making sure that they can deliver a message that somebody else can't.

Yeah, well there's plenty around. I mean, when he comes out and says that he's a great person for abortion that thinks should be done right up to the time of birth of the child can be killed. He wants to get rid of all fossil fuels.

Which is not good for Minnesota.

Really, But I said here, I think a couple of weeks ago, should she pick and I said Shapiro, because I mean, Pennsylvania has got nineteen.

Vote the governor of state, you must win.

Like, I mean, okay, well, but I think the fact that that he is Jewish, the fact that he is pro Israel, made it very difficult for her to take on the party. And Minnesota has got the largest mosque in America I think in it, and it's got a large Muslim population. So and she's so clearly anti Semitic and pro pro.

And pro anti the Israeli gum.

Yeah, well, I think it's stronger than that.

But we'll see what happens in the next of the while. Thank you guys to appreciate it. Thank you Bromin, Thank you very much to you Steven, always here to help. We'll do so again next week. Megan Kelly on this in a lot more in a moment or two, this time here on POL Marry Line. So Kamala Harris peaks a fellow super lefty in Tim Waltz, the governor of Minnesota,

What do you think.

I'll tell you there's a couple of things.

Number One, this is a clear middle finger to Jews.

I believe Shapiro.

Wasn't picked because he's a Jewish Man who expressed support for Israel, including back when he was twenty or he wrote the very controversial statement that he doesn't think the Palestinians want peace.

Hello, how is that controversial? Look what just happened.

But it's too far for the Democrat Party of twenty twenty four. He didn't get this because he's a Jewish Man. That seems clear to me, and that in and of itself is scary. That's a scary statement coming from an American Democrat Party.

That's where they are right now. So what did she go for?

She went for someone who's arguably even farther to the left than she is. The way he let Minneapolis burn for days on end after the George Floyd killing, just let the riots continue on and on and defended them, saying, this is what you're going to get when you have police who behave like this, This is the way it's going to go. Just let property owners have their life savings and work burned.

To the ground in the name of justice.

I guess he's pro driver's licenses for illegals and on the trance stuff. He is another Gavin Newsom. He is just as bad as Gavin Newsom. He literally signed a bill that says your child can be taken away from you if you do not get him or her quote gender affirming care, and what he meant he spelled it out, was puberty blockers, cross sex hormones, and surgeries.

This is who she picked. And this is not an old man. He's sixty, so is she.

So this is the Democrat saying this is the kind of leadership we want set up for the next sixteen years. She could be an eight year president, he could be the eight years after that, and they'd still both be younger than we have over on Team Trump. Not to mention what Biden was. So this is genuinely scary how far left this guy is. And don't be fooled. He's a wolf in sheep's clothing. He's got a folks sea manner.

He's a blue guy who.

Can win in red community communities and Minnesota while a red well, sorry, a blue state is not far left. So you know the fact that he's a governor of a it's not purple, but it's not like a New York or a Vermont or a California.

So they think that's also going to have appeal.

It's sandwiched right there by Wisconsin and Michigan, so they think it'll have like a bleedover effect. It'll help her in the Midwestern states, in the Rust belt, in which Jade Vance is you know, supposed to be so appealing and I think is so he comes to this with National Guard service.

He was a high school geography teacher.

You know, he's sort of like this guy who talks the way everybody talks, like a normal guy.

He's the guy who coined the JD.

Vance is weird Republicans are weird phrase, which went so viral. It was just like such a natural phrase, and people are like, yeah, that's how we talk, Yeah they are weird. That one phrase could have gotten him chosen. That plus the fact that he's not a Jew.

And so people say, yeah, he seems.

Normal he's like a normy norm unlike Kamala who does not seem normal at all. But he honestly, he might be further to the left than she is. We don't know, because she's disavowing all of her most radical our positions through a campaign spokesperson. She herself hasn't spoken to any of this, so we really have no idea what her true feelings are and anything but him and we know, and it's scary.

Well, it also seems that he's a woke wolf in sheep's clothing. And he has this rhetorical device that so many politicians on the left use in particular, which is when they spit in the face of tradition, they turn around and say, well, that's just you just starting a culture war. In fact, one of the quotes about the flag change, right, which clearly was done as you say for the changing population quote, well, Republicans are going to be talking about this. I'm going to be building roads,

I don't think that, you know, those right leaning independents who they're trying to win, are going to fall for that for one bit. They're on board with the culture war, they know exactly who started it, and they want to return to normalcy. They certainly don't want to lose custody of their children because they don't want to allow them to have gender quote affirming surgeries, which means totally healthy body parts chopped off and infertility when you're thirteen years old.

Who is like a white Obama.

He's you know, he's inspirational. If you listen to him talk, he's like, we need hope. People can't survive without hope. He talks like Obama. He's trying to style himself after Obama. And let's not forget he's the governor of the most critical swing state in this election, Pennsylvania. So the fact that it's not Shapiro is a gift to the Republicans in and of itself, and then the fact that she went far left on the choice is a second gift that they will be able to exploit mightily over the

Vance.

Both of these guys ralphall feathers amongst the conservative right because they're not far enough to the right. They're pro some big government programs, in particularly the ones that are