From the Skying Center. This is Paul Burray Live.
Hello, let's hang out on a Monday night in the man Cave. I wonder if we'll talk about the election.
Yeah, of course, how can we not.
After the disastrous night for the Coalition, a night of incredible success for the Labor Party.
Not easy to say, but that's the way it is. All right.
We'll get into all of that with, of course none other than James Morrow, and also with Matt can Evan. Looking forward to that conversation. Also the wonderful Pauline Hanson. Now across the country. The vote did go up, not as much as some polls may have suggested. But but but but but and I'll get into this in a bit more detail. On a second, there is a massive chance that Lee Hanson is going to beat Jackie Lamby for the Senate spot. There is an asterisk on that.
We'll talk about that in the second. But Pauline is on the show tonight now, last night on the program, I'm winning great detail on my thoughts and the future and all the rest of that. I'll relive some of those for you in case you were watching footy or maybe missed this on the Sunday night. But I want to move to a couple of the silver linings that do come out.
Of the horrible result for those.
Of us who wanted to see a changing of governor, at the very least it.
Being put into minority. And here we go.
Number one, the Greens have gone backwards. You know this, I know this, but it's good to double check because Adam Bant is right on the line about whether he is going to lose his seat or not in the seat of Melbourne. Now remember Melbourne had been previously a pretty hardcore Labor seat and then became a massive Green seat for a while. It's got way more people under the age of fifty than over. But Adam band is
in a world of pain. And guess who he is blaming for not preferencing him when his entire campaign was about keeping Dutton out a.
Number of the lower House seats. Of course, in now three three cornered contests, and so when there is a bit shift from labor to liberala from liberal to labor, it has flown through consequences.
Yeah, this is part of the problem for the Liberal Party in seats where they're not going to win, do they make the decision to preference the Greens to deny the Labor Party a seat, or do they preference the Labor Party, who of course end up getting a seat and growing their seat count over the number that the coalition is trying to.
Get at an election.
On a moral sense, I would prefer to have a Labor MP than a Greens MP. But there is an electoral consequence to.
All of this.
So let's have a look at the latest numbers on the counting which closed not long ago. Now, as you can see on the primary votes right now, Adam bantered twenty nine thousand, Labor at twenty two thousand.
Now, assuming that.
Everyone followed the how to vote, you can start to add the thirteen thousand to the twenty two thousand, and that's when you start to get into the two horse race right now, which shows fairly obviously, but right now the Labor Party is in front. Now those numbers there when you see about three hundred and three thousand votes or two thousand votes, obviously that hasn't matched the primary
vote numbers. But the most important thing to notice here is that if Labour wins, it will be because of the Liberal preferences and basically What will happen to the Greens is what happens to the Libs in most places where Labor and the Greens get together to knock them off. Fingers crossed, that is what it's on its way. Number two, The wonderful die League was re elected to the Federal Parliament. How good to see that she is back in the
position that she is as the Member for Fowler. She did something spectacular this weekend in the.
Seat of Fowler.
She had an increase in her overall vote, which was pretty damn impressive to see that she had an increase.
Let's maybe perhaps.
Drop the graphics, put it all in order and I'll just talk things through if that's okay.
So Dielee was able to win.
Most importantly, she increased her vote on the vote that defeated Christina Kanneely only speaking when it comes to independence, be they die Le Variety or Rebecca Sharky or Andrew Wilkie or Bob Cutter, if you're able to get re elected, then you are basically going to hold onto the seat for as long as you can. Now there is a further extension to that in the seat that formerly was held by the National Party, and then an independent of
Kath McGowan. She ended up taking that seat over and when she retired she was able to essentially hand her operation to the next generation in her seat being Helen Haynes. So what becomes an independent seat may well often end up as an independent seat.
So that's good there.
Number three. The Victorian Teals are in trouble. Latest numbers tonight are fascinating to watch. Where you can take your pick here where Zoe Daniel looks like she is currently less than one hundred votes in front of Tim Wilson. The postal votes, which generally skew very pro labor, they're very pro liberal, might be the big difference there. Monique Ryan, who was celebrating things on Saturday night, she's now turning around and saying this thing is back into the.
Too close to call category. Good deceive fingers crossed, but.
Expect the worst and be surprised if anything else happens. We'll see what happens whether the Victorian Tales are going to suffer. Clyde Palmer is promising to go away from Australian politics. The polite spinat it is that he says he's too old to be involved in politics. Anymore. We all know the ads, we all know the text messages, and we all know what the result was, less than
two percent of the vote. I've got plenty to say about some of the behavior of some of the people and how they have reacted, but let's focus on what the money man says behind all of this. I'm seventy one and I'm getting too old for politics. I'd rather spend my time helping out tens of thousands that are homeless and hungry in this country, and that's why I've
donated five million dollars to Food Back. And like all looth Clyde Palmer, I absolutely admire that of all of the people that were in this election, he was the only one consistently talking about that problem of too many people more than three million household so multiple people on top of that, who of course run out of food by the end of each and every week. He didn't just talk about it, he just run on it. He's put some money into it, and he now says that
his future is in philanthropy. Now, who knows whether he changes his mind with one year to go or six months to go, And it's his money to do with what he wants. But Claparmer says he's out of the game and the laws that are going to change that are going to make it harder for him to run the type of campaign he has for the past couple of elections will also apply to the Teals in the next couple of elections.
All of that will be.
To the advantage of the two major parties with the flow on effect to the existing independence as opposed to the ones who may want to grow the pie. And the fifth most interesting thing, and it is a silver lining, but it isn't a full silver lining yet.
It is just the faint outlines of one.
But still there is a chance Jackie Lamby's going to lose her seat. If she does, she'll be losing it to Lee Hanson. Lee Hanson's lived in Tasmani for a long time but obviously has only put her hand up in politics and in a political sense in the past
few months. Jack Lamby's vote comes from the north of Tasmania and her vote, according to the latest numbers, was down at the last election that this election just gone, the One Nation vote it was up and basically it's lamby six point nine percent to One Nation's five point three percent. But why is there a chance Jackie Lamby loses a seat. Well, as you'll see at that number there the quota, all right, so you get one seat?
Point how much is left over? Okay, so you will see there that the number for the Liberals is currently at one and a half. Now, if you go and have a look at their how to vote card, it would mean that if they don't get the second seat, whatever they get over the one, it moves to their second preference. And that, according to the how to vote was one nation, So there could be about half a quota of a Senate seat that is out there four Pauline Hanson and Lee Hanson. Now the One Nation party
is currently at point three seven of a quota. That half a percent will take them to the eight you know too, point eight. Then when you throw in other preferences that might be around there, that's why it might get a little bit closer. If Jackie Lamby runs away with it, it will be because she was number two on the Labor how to vote card. So, as you can see, left over in the Labor vote was two
point four to seven. So Lamby currently sitting at zero point four eight of one quota plus the overhang of labor puts her basically that same position about zero point eight, and then a whole bunch of other things where we work out what people did with their second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixths. Well, all of that comes into play, including people who voted below the line. We'll talk to Pauline Hanson about that in a moment or two time.
Now, let's be honest.
The only thing that's going to hurt Anthony Aberzi most likely for the next three years. But let's be generous and say the first year of his second time as Prime Minister and second term as Prime Minister is going to be well what he does with the size of his win.
Not for thirty five years as a labor prime minister pulled this off.
Anthony Alberzi going back to bat.
He becomes the first leader to clincher's second consecutive term in twenty one years and does so with an increased majority.
The first PM since John Howard back in two thousand and four to win reelection and the first government in seventy five years to actually increase its majority in a first term, a powerful mandate.
So obviously Australia has given him not just a little win. They have given him a big one, which means he has a big back bench, which means he can start to be bolder, and theoretically, electoral gravity at some point means eventually you start to lose seats, and having way more than the necessary seventy six means you can afford to burn some of the backbench, as John Howard did when it came to the Big Idea in the nineteen
ninety eight election on the GST. That re was alded in the Labor Party getting the majority of the popular vote, but the Liberal Party still maintained the majority of seats. Now again, we can't say what happened three elections ago is what happens in one or two elections time. We're not really in the red and blue game anymore. We know that there's the red, the blue and a bit.
Of a rainbow in between.
And I thought the Prime Minister was off to a reasonable start when it came to when inevitably hardcore Labour people were going to start booing or cheering that Peter Dunton had lost his seat, and I liked that he called them out from the stage.
Don't do that, we don't do that. That's not Australian values.
Now I know in his heart of hearts and his hard partisan he would have been a generation ago the type of person who was yelling out from the floor, ding dong and all the rest of it. But it was a good thing the Prime Minister didn't do it. But then he got back to camberd to day and we saw.
Just a little, just a little little.
Little sign of the bloke who thinks that he is invincible. Ask a question at a press conference. Watch his reaction and of course a very well trained media who don't want to upset him, don't want to get cut off from the information teet that is the Prime Minister's office. They're going to play nice. But what's what the Prime Minister does when you ask him a question he doesn't want to asked?
Well, just nonsense.
As you were told yesterday, Greg, you know people who have got to stop. You know, the only person who knows is me. You were told by my office yesterday that was nonsense. The words are coming out, mate, with respect?
Are we expecting your favorite?
Now?
Look, I've said I respect the caucus. I respect the caucus, but I say to all of you, if you hear something, it is unless it comes out of my mouth, it is nonsense. And you know you were told that yesterday.
Now things can change quickly, but there is no sign of that changing quickly anytime, most likely in the next couple of terms of parliament. Realistic about that, but you've always got.
To be careful.
Remember the way the poor Keating behaved when he got an extra three years he didn't expect. And the nature of this victory is that Anthony Abernezi is looking at multiple terms that are in front of him. It'll be fascinating to see not just what he does and how he behaves, but more importantly some of his ministers. His ministers think that they are the political geniuses who know everything about policy, everything about politics, and everything about social media.
Reality is, it was, of course, the performance of the leader and the performance of the machine that is the Labor Party that turned things around, not to mention a whole bunch of things that nobody could have ever expected,
like tariffs, like the pope dying, like cyclones. But none of that is to ignore from the reality that he won, and he won big, and yes, we will hold him to account by using facts as well as what we believe in to hold him to account, but I'm not going to pretend that it's all going to change anytime soon. It obviously doesn't, and Australia has made it very clear that they want him to be the Prime minister for
the next little while. So last night, again on the show, I took a great amount of time to try to be as considered as possible about how millions of people are feeling. And millions of people are upset because the result wasn't the one that they wanted. But millions of people are always upset by the result, regardless of who ends up winning, because previously half now a third of
the country doesn't get what it wants. So I explained in great detail, and it's up at skynews dot com dot a U, and it's on our YouTube channel, the five ideas that I have for the future in and around the Liberal Party. Now, obviously they are the organization and we the voter make the decision whether we trust the organization and the politicians. But my free advice, and it's worth what it's paid for sometimes is that they need to take time to be honest about what happened.
Do just tick and flick a quick little revie you and do nothing about it, follow through on some of the things that are actually put in there. In fact, most of them also, in my suggestion, have multiple reviews coming from lots of different angles. You don't just have to learn a lesson, you have to be seen to be learning a lesson. So why not go and have town halls all around the country in the places that you lost, and find out why you're going to meet
the people where they are. This idea that it's just an arm wrestle and eventually you can pull people in the direction you want them to go.
It's just not true.
You have to meet people where they are, and where they are in twenty twenty five will be different than twenty nineteen. That will be different than two and thirteen. It'll be different than two thousand and seven. It'll be different that all of those major clean breaks in elections. Also, I think they really should think very hard about empowering that next generation, listening to the younger voices inside the party, not just nodding and saying now go out and do
the hat of votes. Why not try and lift their voices up into the decision making thing. And also, everything's got to be on the table I'm talking about everything from the low go to the quotas to the policy areas. All of it should be officially reset by whomever ends up being the leader, which brings us to those most likely or those who we think are going to be
most likely. Interestingly, you have not heard an awful lot from these people in terms of their own voices and doing interviews, because of course right now they're trying to shore up what happens next. Susan Lay is the current deputy leader. Of course, Angus Taylor was the former shadow Treasurer Dantean and maybe even sort of outside voices in terms of being the deputy could be things like people
like Zoe McKenzie. But I, rather than wanting to say I think this person is not my choice, it's the choice of the MPs, let's just do the obvious pros and cons around all of these people, looking at the reality that this is two terms, all right, two terms and potentially many opposition leaders, just as it was for the Labor.
Party during the Howard era of dominance.
A pro for Susan Lay is that she's the deputy leader of the part and in the same way that people assume Josh Friedenberg would replace Scott Morrison. Peter Costello would replace John Howard. That deputy leadership position is the natural successor. There's the obvious issues in and around gender, but more importantly, it does signal a change in direction at the very least in terms of presentation. You can think that's yay or nay. You can say a little
to this, a little to that. It's not Goldilocks. It's politics. The obvious con she made a couple of massive mistakes during the campaign and during her time as deputy leader where she was too quick out of the gate to say the opposition will oppose or the opposition will support, rather than waiting to find out what either collective brain of the party thought would happen, for example Stage three
tax cuts, or what the leadership group had said. And once you go out of the gate, and if the leader contradicts the deputy leader, well then it looks like.
An internal fraction.
So you end up perhaps going in a direction that maybe maybe maybe some people didn't want to go. Also, there's some local issues here in terms of her seat. There are a group of people who are in and around her branch of the Liberal Party who have constantly tried to knock her out of the seat.
I don't care why. I don't care what their grievances are. I don't care whether they're right or wrong. But that's just.
Part of the pro part of the con when it comes to Susan lay As for Angus Taylor, and the pro and con around him is.
That the pro is that he is the shadow treasurer.
He knows the books, he knows where they've hid the money, he knows what they put off into the nevern never, and he knows what happens in the.
Next couple of years.
And he's able to with that knowledge to be able to exploit some of the broken promises issues. He's a Rhodes scholar as well. This is a very smart man. The con is that he doesn't worry the Labor Party at all. And he also, as we saw in some of the debates or sometimes interviews, he finds it hard to pick a line that cuts through and hammer hammer hammer, hammer hammer message discipline is really important in politics. Again,
I don't know any of these people. I'm not going to say one's too left write and again I'm not picking I'm just being honest here.
This is part of this next phase of absolute.
Honesty, which is what good friends should do. Now, Andrew hasty his offers saying will not be running for the leadership, we will imagine there will be absolute confirmation of that with his own words in the next at a while. I would find that disappointing if he didn't put himself into the contest, because while I am not a fan of Anthony alban Easy in any way, shape or form, when they were blasted from government in twenty thirteen, he did put his hand up to be the leader.
Now there's an entire alternative history here where.
If Albo had ended up being the leader in twenty thirteen to sixteen and sixteen to nineteen, that may well it would have been Bill short and sitting there in twenty twenty two and perhaps being re elected in the
same manner in twenty twenty five. But one of the things I think that you need to send to your supporters, to the community, to the media is to put your hand up to say, yeah, I want to have a crack, and for whatever reason you may not be able to get the crack or not be able to get the numbers, but people know you have a leadership ambition.
It's really really important.
Obvious pros when it comes to Andrew Hasty is that he's very telligenic, R good look and rooster. That matters why well, because we all know how it can work in reverse. It's a former soldier and he served his country and obviously would be methodical in executing whatever is put in front of him. He represents the next generation.
This is a necessary turn and change. As we talk about under fifty and over fifty the con and this is a con for anyone who by the way he improved his vote in his seat when the vote was going against the lives in Western Australia. That's not an unimportant point. A person who's been able to show indeed what he would hope to do as leader, that's really important. And again Western Australian needs to start to level back to fifty to fifty if there any chance of being
competitive in whenever that moment comes. A con for anyone from Western Australia is you're either two hours behind the East Coast or you are three hours behind the East Coast.
Now this means.
That if you're trying to do a radio interview at six am in Perth for half the year that will be at three am in Perth. He's got a young family. That's a heck of a lot of disruption. But Kim Beasley was able to do that for six years. He didn't have as young a family, and frankly he ended up spending a lot more time in the East Coast that he did in the West Coast.
The problem for that is, of course, whoever's.
Hunting you in the West Coast turns around and says you're the part time So yeah, it is complicated, and of course the Labour Party will turn around him because he has a connection to National Service, will strike him as some sort of too far right Dan Teen another person who apparently is in and around the frame be.
A leadership or deputy leadership.
Again, when the factions, the groups who's left over make their choices. Here's some pros and cons about him as a potential opposition leader. The pro is that he easily fended off a Teal. Now, his seat of warning was one of those ones that a lot of people said, well, that's a natural gain for the Teals.
It didn't happen.
Now, I don't know what happens in three years time, but there was a lot of the free media and the free exposure to the teal, he was able to fend them off relatively easily. He also was able to cause huge problems for the Labour Party when it came to question time in and around immigration. Remember that whole period of time with clueless Clara O'Neil and useless that useless Minister Giles. A lot of that was because of
the way he was prosecuting things in the Parliament. The obvious anti here is is not well known across the country and you've already got a huge hill in front of you when you are the opposition leader. But if you are not known outside of the political bubble that you and I live in or the canber press gallery, obviously, police pretty difficult to make an impression. But everyone gets a chance at a first impression. Zoey McKenzie now Zoey McKenzie,
who represents the Mornington Peninsula, the pros and consferverts. She's pretty good on TV. I think she presents well on television. She represents that next generation and the obvious issues that are demographic. What did every single seat have in common that the Liberal Party lost? There were more female voters than male doesn't automatically mean things change, but if you want to show a change, is she in the mix?
I don't know.
I don't know her behind the scenes. I don't know how she works. So if you're throwing something o the Telly, I don't know. But I'm just saying the names that are being put forward. She also was able to hold off for Teal that's really important. The con is that she had a bigger swing than the state average against her,
and it is only her second term in parliament. So that also brings me to the one that I get a lot of emails about what about you in a nambigenper Price and if you in an ambigimper Price is amazing and should have the frontest of facing positions in a shadow cabinet or leadership. But being from the Northern territory, she ends up sort of being countered as part of the National Party, which would mean she would either have to change party identification to move over to the Liberal Party.
But also she's in the Senate, which would mean she'd have to go and win a seat downstairs. And in some ways this is kind of a problem for the Libs, which is that many of their strongest performers are in the Senate, but they are not people who win lower houses house seats. Now, yes, technically at some time way back when someone was the leader of the OP position from the Senate, but reality is it's going to come
from downstairs. It's going to be a Lib not a NAT, even though the Libs have great to say, and how many people are going to be the shadow ministers. So if you're saying, why isn't it just into nampijuper Price, that is why it's not just into an empertuper Price. And there are no CONTs, no cons at all when it comes to and her performance at any and every opportunity to argue the case. A couple of other things here which are extra little takeaways, extra little bites to
discuss here. Some of them are pleasant, some of them are not pleasant, but all of them are true. Sadly, Western Australia voted not to Keep the Sheep. Now we know that keep the Sheep protests was very well funded, very well organized. It was on radio, it was on socials. They were out and about. It didn't matter whether you were at Cottislow or we were in Cawgooli. You could see the presence of this movement. The result of the re election of the government is that the industry will
be turned off. The live cheap export trade will be turned off. So that is a heartbreaking result for those of us who wanted to keep that intry alive. Obviously their fight will continue, but the government has been able to find a way to say we can win without you. Number two, local renewable projects didn't hurt labor. Now in some places, yes, National Party MPs are able to run very hard against the solar farm or the wind farm, and I agree with them about what it does to the communities.
But let's be honest.
The wires didn't The osnet stuff didn't change what happened in and around Ballarat, It didn't change what happened in Gilmour, it didn't change the offshore wind in the Hunter So if anyone has thought this would be enough to change a seat, well, these projects will be built by the time of the next election, and yes there may be
some reaction, but that is just the reality. If somebody's able to point me in evidence of somewhere else where the vote was dramatically changed because of the renewable project. Happy to hand it on but that's the obvious of some of the seats that people thought, oh the Hunters in play and Patterson's in play because of the off Guess what it didn't It wasn't and they didn't change all right. The third one here, thankfully, religion didn't move
the needle. Now, this Muslim Votes party, the best I think they could do was fifteen percent of the vote primary vote running against Tony Burke. Well, of course fifteen percent ain't good enough. The preferences were never going to go their way, so this was always a furfee. But the only way of getting better at elections is to keep running at elections. I hope that race, that faith and these things do not continue to spoil our politics and do not continue to play an oversized role in
Australian politics. But we'll all have to find out together a fourth and really important thing. I think there's a very fine line and we're getting very close to it about examples of some foreign interference that is on the fringes of our elections. There are some candidates right on the line, there's some money that's right on the line,
right on the line. There have been some volunteers right on the line, and I want all sides of politics, regardless of whether they think they are advantaged by certain communities or associations or the ones that are disadvantages by communities or associations. Let's make this very very clear that foreign interference plays no role in Australian politics. Now, any and anyone can run for Parliament. But when we know that they may well end.
Up having partial partial.
Allegiances, we've got to deal with that and we've got to try to stamp it out. I can't say much more than that because I don't want to spend the rest of the next three years in court. But there are some interesting examples below the line. I hope political people are noticing, and I hope that we react otherwise we go further in a direction that I don't think anyone in Australia wants. All Right, quick break back, with more plenty to talk about here on Paul Murray Live,
Matt Canavan and James Morrow. They won't hold back after a terrible result on Saturday, where too from now and then of course the wonderful Leen Hanson very much in the fight. Imagine mother and daughter sitting in the Senate together and no Jackie Lamby, thank you very much. Always love when James Morrow's in the man Cave because he's enthusiastic about the theme doing the egg.
Always do that.
I love it, all right, you.
Could see you could see him in many different shows, but of course Outsiders on the Sunday and the US Report here on Fridays. Matt Canavan, well, he always is out and about on the Hustings and now is not going to hold back on his view when it comes to what happened and where we go from here. Senator, thank you very much for joining us. Always good to have you on the show. All right, So I'll start with you first, Matt, because it's a really easy question.
Why did it happen?
Look, Paul, I think it happened because we didn't have anything to fight for. I've done a few campaigns now and I found this one the strangest because I didn't really have a passionate thing to throw my whole weight into and take up the battle to my political opponents
in the Labor Party. Every other election I've been to where fighting against carbon taxes, trying to stop the boats, trying to start a Danni, stop carbon taxes going on mines and I've done a lot of that on your show, and this time I struggle to understand, Okay, what am I trying to do that either stops labor doing something bad or allows us to do something good, Because in the last few days I've shut up. I haven't said
much since the election. Thankfully, I had to go to a soccer tournament for my Chuck, my ten year old son. He didn't get as sumped as badly as us on Saturday night, so that was nice. But every other election I've been to, we've had something to fight for and this one I just didn't know. And we've got to rediscover that fighting spirit. I've heard a lot of people say I've got to get left, go to get right.
It's not about that, It's about Okay, what do we think we can do best for the Australian people, And maybe let's start with that. Our pulse has got it massively wrong. And the most frustrating thing over my political career has been the increasing use of polling and focus groups to decide not just how we talk about something, how we argue for something, but how and what we should do. And I think we need to toss those that we need to not talk to the posters for
about a year. They probably deserve not to be paid their bills for a year anyway, So toss them out of the room and think about and sit down deeply and think about what we think is best for the Australian people that are doing it very very tough right now. We come up with that, We come up with a plan, and then we can invite the pulses back in to talk about, Okay, how's the best way to argue for
this and how should we communicate? Should I have part my hair on this side or that or whatever they do? But we need to rediscover why we fight.
I like to fight.
I'm in this to try and make a difference, to take up the battle, to define the battle lines between us and the Labor Party, not just because I like to do that. In the political context, I think the Australian people deserve, that Austrained people deserve at an election of this consequence, to have a choice, to have a choice of alternatives. And I don't think we're clearly enough
gave them that choice at this election. And despite the twelve interest rate rises, the lack of control of our borders, despite this government being one of the first governments, I think, the first government history to shut down a whole agricultural industry and a live sheep trade. We have made no inroads, in fact, gone massively backwards, and that's unacceptable. We've got it, as I say, rediscover that fighting spirit and come up with a with a I think a more tougher approach next time.
James, again, you've written some beautiful columns about this. I know you spoke at some length yesterday about it, so there will be plenty of people that have heard your opinion. But for those that happened, why did this happen?
Well, I think Paul, it comes down to a very simple question. You know, there's going to be a lot of people to get try and overanalyze this and say, as you said, you know, quite eloquently before you know, it's not about oh, we need to move more to the left or we need to move more to the right. The fact is across the political spectrum that would be voting for the Liberals, because remember the Liberals are supposed to be a broad church as defined by John Howard.
That was always the great struggle of the Liberals before John Howard managed to come to that settlement. There was nothing for anybody across that broad tent to really hook into. And I think, you know the problem is that the Liberal Party decided that all of the failings of the Alberizi government were going to overwhelm them and they would just simply trip over in just a little bit of jiu jitsu and sticking the foot out and boom, Alberizi falls over and the whole thing and then we're back
in government. Well, I said on this program, I sometimesiders I wrote it, you know, advising Peter Dutton publicly saying there is no shame in losing a first term in opposition, but you're not going to win if you don't swing for the fences. They didn't even come up to the plate, right, And now we're seeing all of these stories about everything that went wrong. I think the most shocking thing now is the amount of policy that was left on the table.
And I've spoken to people who were sending policies up to head office and they were ignored. And we had the story in the Financial Review today that bracket creep, which is such a key tax reform issue because if the tax rates today were set when they were last set, that top rate. We'll quicking around two hundred and eighty or two hundred ninety thousand dollars a year, not one hundred and eighty. You want to talk about cost of living relief, cut people's taxes, stop taking more out of
their tax bill every year. This is not hard stuff. And yet they forgot all of this, They forgot their reason for being. I actually think you know, they have now left Australia with a potential lost decade to labor at a time when you've got defense, you've got debt, you've got everything else piling up, and all of these things, all of the issues should have been natural advantages for them, and they couldn't capitalize on a single what it was a discrease, Okay, matte get In, I don't.
Agree with that at all.
I think we can win the next election, certainly one after that. I mean, look that this is the worst result since the Liberal Party was founded in at the nineteen forty six election. That election they won just seven eight seats, and by the next election they came back and won over seventy seats in one government. That was after the then Labor government sought to nationalize the banks
and refused to stop rationing petrol and other things. And look, who knows how the next few years are going to play out, and we're probably in a position where it will require the other side to make a few mistakes. But given the record of this government, that's a pretty sure thing. So you know we're going to be ready
there to take advantage. And as I say, put this strong alternative austrailed people, just like Anastasia Palache did after Campbell Newman's victory, after Kevin Rudd did, after John Howard's victory, Josy and four. Things can change quickly and ultimately here we've got a situation where two thirds of people did not vote for Anthony Abanez. He just fyt his victory lap like he's won the Grand Final today or yesterday. There's a lot of people out there who have not
voted for this government. There are a third of people who are not voting for either major party. That should because for deep reflection on my side of politics, on all sides of politics, but certainly outside given that we're in opposition, why are so many people just sped up
with all of us? And I do think a lot of it is the cynical pole driven approach that we have applied to the political process that creates a vacuum of leadership, authority, authenticity, and integrity, and we'd be much better off deciding what we really believe, truly believe, go
out there and argue for it. Will show a lot more passion by doing that, will convince a lot more people by doing that, and maybe maybe we'll stem the tide of people going off and flirting with a bunch of other minor parts because I just don't say anything that attracts them in the major political forces.
Yeah, that's absolutely right. But I mean, just to chop in on that, I mean, an awful lot of people I know voted Pauly Enhancement one nation as they're one, just simply because they said as a conservative there was nothing for them, you know, in the liberals. And you know, there has to be a very urgent refocusing of what the party is about, because we had plenty of problems the last three years. Everybody went backwards, the whole country
went backwards. You've got China circumnavigating the place with ships, You've got all sorts of other things, and god knows what's going to happen over the next three years. You know, there needs to be an urgent agenda, and the thing is it needs to start being sold very very quickly. So many good ideas that were left on the shelf if they had been starting to be prosecuted. You know, nuclear was one, but then they got kind of wobbly
back and forth on it. But the other stuff, you know, real tax guys, how do you wind up with the Labor Party being more technically economically rationalist than you on taxas with tax cuts? So I just thought that was just, you know, the intellectual halt of the party has gone vacant and it needs to come back.
Well, something that I found really interesting was one of the trinding polls at the start of all of this, right, it showed fifty five percent of people didn't think that the coalition was ready to govern. By the end of the campaign was sixty three percent. So you can move
an awful lot of people. Now, surprise, surprise, that pretty much reflects the idea of the people who thought they were ready to govern was the primary vote, and those who weren't of that view, well, of course, we know where the preferences go, and that's what pushes Labor to the result that it's had. So I think in many ways you've got to show your ability to govern by having the ideas, the brains, the conversation about those big ideas, and to argue them in the fashion that Matt is.
But Matt, I'm going to jump on an elephant in the room, which is the words that are sitting behind you. Now, I've heard plenty of people on and off air, and lots of emails and lots of people when I meet them who say exactly what your TV says behind which is in net zero. But let's also be honest that the trumpet and patriots who screamed that from the rooftop, or one nation who've screamed that from the rooftop, that's.
Not even ten percent.
So how do those three words behind you become fifty plus one?
But the reality there is, Paul, Obviously, people don't think those two parties are ready for governments either. I mean, with all respect to both of them. I know mister Palmer was saying that his lead been the next prime minister, but I remember the full page ads and some of the profile picks didn't even have people in them. They had the blank profile like a reserve grade football player they've been brought up and hasn't didn't make the photo
shoot before the season. Yeah, I think that might have limited their vote shares there and not be a due reflection of this issue. As I said earlier, Paul, my firm belief is the Australian people deserve a real cho and that real choice is only going to come from differences between the two parties of government, parties that can form government or of any prospect of form and government. As I say, with due respect to those other parties, and we haven't given them that. We haven't given them
that on this issue. The Labor Party likes to think that we've ended the cult of the climate wars. And there's no doubt why they like to think that, because every time we actually do fight the climate wars, we win. Every time we've taken it up, we've won. And the core perhaps original sin, if you like, the original sin of our campaign and everything I'm saying here I said to my colleagues of the last few months. I'm not trying to be a Monday expert. I've said things like
this on your show. The original sin of how we frame the campaign was, if you ask somebody how would we lower the cost of living in the next term of government. It was very hard to provide an answer. Now, towards the end we had the petrolexcise cut. That was for a and it was temporary. We didn't really offer a strong answer to the question, how are we going to make your life easier under a coalition government? Now, this was a cost of living election. Everybody said that
was the most important issue. All of those posters have a lot of other things wrong, said it was the most important issue. I think it was the most important is show is what people said to me. But we didn't have a coherent answer to that question. Now I want to end that zero not because I've just always had that view of how crazy it is and terrible it is. I want to end that zero because I genuinely believe it is going to lower the price of
almost everything for people. It will be effectively a wage rise for every Australian if we end that zero, because we'll bring down the cost of making groceries and bring down the cost of transporting yourself around the country. It will boost our productivity, which it itself will boost real wages over time as well. And I think it's about time the lower and middle class of this country and get a pay rise. They've been promised one by this
labor government. Instead, they've held a massively backwards and the most direct and easy way we could give an injection of wealth to struggling Australians would be to remove the anchor around everybody's ankle here of net zero of these crazy green policies was just impose costs on our economy
and our people without providing any environmental benefit whatsoever. I think we can win that argument with the point alone that why is it that we continue to export record a record amount last quarter of coal to other countries, yet we use none of it ourselves.
Let's start using our.
God given lateral resources again for the wealth of Australians and that would make everybody's life easier.
No, it's just I didn't want to have this conversation without dealing with that as to say, hence why a bit of an elephant in the room, but very well answered.
Very Look, I'm wan to think that that's absolutely correct. Net zero is just this absolute weight. It's feederers on the entire economy, on everybody. We all pear the post that we all know that you try and end it. Of course you get accused of fighting a culture war. You know, that's the thing that the left is going to do to try and shut down these necessary discussions on the right. And I think that's something that needs
to be watched out for. But you know, and again not to play after action, you know, Monday morning quarterback here. But there are lessons to be learned here. And another big thing here is Anthony Albanezy and Labor ran the most cynical, dishonest campaign I have ever seen in decades
of watching elections here and in the United States. That is saying something the way Murray Watt laughed, just absolutely straight up laughed in the face of people on Saturday night here on the panel here on this network when he was called out on all of Labour's lives. You know, that just shows what they erupted. A guess, but I think you know, again, the party didn't come up with a way to quickly shut down the six hundred billion dollars shut down this that the other thing all in
the lives. There was no clap back and it looked flat footed. And therefore, because there were no other policies around which to define themselves. Labor got to define the terms of the debate and the real paradox of that is Labor created this debate as a cost of living election. That they created the problem too, and their solution, the sugar hits. The coalition just matched it. There was no argument. I said, no, we're not going to do anything because
we don't want to get criticized. And I'm sorry for the fiscally responsible party, Like what the hell?
Yeah, I'm with you, all right, lads. I appreciate it.
I look forward to convening again next Monday and many chats between now and then. Thank you, senator, future senator, looking forward to that again. And another Senator is one other than the wonderful Pauline Hanson. She joins us straight after the break, her thoughts on the election and hopes for a daughter beating Jackie Lamby in Tasmania. Looking okay, right on the line. We have followed Pauline Hanson for a long time. Next year, can you believe thirty years
in and around Australian politics. She has been in this send it for a significant period of time. Next election it'll be her name on the ballot again. But at this election, many candidates running in many different seats, a better result than last time, But the headline is that her daughter Lee Hanson pretty close to a very competitive
run against Jackie Lamby. We won't know for a few days, most likely even in a couple of weeks about what's going to happen, but the One Nation leader joins us now, Pauline, love you to see you must be a sense of relief after an election is over, a chance to put your head down for a little while. But unlike previous elections, it's not just your name on the ballot in terms of the family. So how are you feeling after this one?
Look, paul I'm pleased with our vote. We've gone up just about in every seat across the country that we stood candidates in.
I'm very pleased with that.
I just like to personally say thank you to everyone who voted for One Nation this election, and appreciate all the help and volunteers that we've got to help us. We didn't get to man every polling booth. It's extremely hard for a minor party, but the end result, you know, I can't can't say I'm not about it.
So give me an idea about this race in Tasmania. I saw James was on here a little bit earlier. It's not I think with Peter saying that, you know, this picture is really interesting and it's not just blowing smoke.
This thing is very, very tight.
It's all about what are called quotas and the percentage of a quota that is left over from the main sources of preferences. For one nation, that's going to be Liberal preferences. For Lambia, it's going to be labor preferences. So again you're not going to say she's going to win or Blues, but what's your thought on what's happening here.
Well, I think she's in with the chance Paula.
She said, with preferences, and of course the Libs have got about one point five to two percent of the quota now system that they have, so therefore those preferences will be distributed. Labor at this stage has got two just over two and a half quotas. Of course Libs are about one half quotas, and therefore the Greens have taken on. So if you look at the seats, there's still another one there in one that's up for grabs.
If you think that Libs do get the.
Second one, I think that a lot of the people about I'd say, and I woke the booth down there in the heart of Tobart, that about seventy to eighty percent of people never even took how to vote cards, weren't interest walk past. Everyone had an idea how they were going to vote. And another thing about it, Paul, is that they vote differently below the line down in Tasmania. So most of them will vote a lot will vote below the line.
Also, you've got.
To think that although Labor gave Jackie Lamb with the second preference, a lot of people didn't take the out to vote cards. But there's a big issue about the semen industry in Tasmania. Now, the semon industry employs about five thousand people and there's another few companies indirectly associated with it as well.
She's got a lot of workers there.
She's come out against the semin industry, so as the Greens. So if they go to vote on the labor ticket and who support the seminin industry, do you think they're going to give Lamby their second preference.
I doubt it. So it's going to be quite interesting even to see about labors preferences. If they have to be distributed.
How do you think Elbow is going to be with a bigger number and presumably many more years in front of him as Prime minister.
Look, I don't think he'll walk away from his loll his policies. I think that this is given him a mandate, possibly not to cut back the immigration levels.
He'll keep powering head with the renewables.
Just even down at Singleton people who are hrying out, they're out in arms about one hundred and seventy seven thousand panels that are going to go on prime agricultural land. As you spoke earlier about the wind turbines. That's nothing to stop him now whatsoever. And if they get control in the Senate with the Greens, they'll just do whatever they want to. I think the Libs had a very very poor campaign. I had people constantly asking me about Dudden.
I like Duddon.
I think he's a very good man, been a great prime minister for the country, but it wasn't to be.
He couldn't win the people.
Over and their election campaign was ridiculous. They never fought back at all, and he should have stood his ground about those public servants and said, you know, well, once they leave the work, we won't be replacing them. We could have handled that way. He backed away from a lot of it. He didn't put up strong policies about you know, tax cuts. If he had to put up what we said about the split income income splitting all the pension is working, that would have been more beneficial to him.
So, as a.
Person who has stood their ground for thirty years, again, you want a strong liberal party because that matters in terms of preferences and in terms of an opposition to labor. But just for all of those political types that are watching us right now, what is the pull enhance and advice when all the media is screaming at you, when all the interest groups are pushing back, when all of the lovees are saying, oh, what a detestable thing to say.
But about what I said about Dunnan or I'm just.
Saying, I'm just saying about holding your ground.
About what's your advice to politicians you know who who say, you know, we'll get an advice of saying, oh, I can't say that that's going to piss off this group. Oh the polls are telling us this, The poles are telling you that how do they get a bit of pulling in their spine to say no, no, I believe it. It's what I believe, and I'll argue it until the day we're done.
That's what people want, Paul, I hear it all the time. What do I hear from people all the time. You've got the guts to say what we're thinking. People wants. Honest politicians. Don't tell us one thing and do another thing on the floor of Parliament. Don't see whichever way the poll's coming out before you actually make a decision. I was first to come out against the Voice, and I was proven right first to come out against the Cave and the COVID JAB. Again, the evidence that's coming
out now, people shouldn't been forced to have it. A lot of these things I fight based on my inner gut and knowing how these strained people think. Because I'm one of them. I haven't lost my grassroots contact with people, and I wish the politicians a lot of the ones.
You know.
I have no connection with employing people or understanding running the business.
Nothing well.
And one of the things that disappoints me the most about the result is the Labor Party's attitude was basically.
Very anti small business. Anyway, I've got to go.
We're out of time, but there's plenty more chats and that exter while all the best to lay and again congratulations are on doing much better at this election. The people of one nation. All right, that's our show. We'll see you again tomorrow when Nigel Farage returns