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Paul Murray Live | 5 June

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The eSafety Commissioner finally gives up on her pursuit of 'X', Anthony Albanese's nuclear fear mongering backfires. Plus, Megyn Kelly on Hunter Biden's criminal trial on gun charges.

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Speaker 1

From the Skying New Center. This is Paul Murray Live a Wednesday at the start of winter one for the hard course tonight. Thank you very much for watching wherever you're happy to be. Thank you so much for Sharry. See her again same time tomorrow night. Now, big news today in the war on censoring the Internet. As we know the stabbing that took place in western Sydney a couple of months ago. We all know what the result

of that was. We know the national conversation that we had to have about whether you could or could not look at the crime, the alleged stabbing. I have to say that because someone's before the courts and we were told of the time for our own good, it must be censored from the Internet, particularly from the platform formerly known as Twitter.

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It is vital that we don't use social media as a tool for division and fear, but instead as an instrument of solidarity and social cohesion. Online spaces should be safe for everyone, no matter a person's culture, faith or background.

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Now this conversation should have also been accompanied by a national chat about radicalization. In the space of a couple of weeks, ten teenagers were arrested by police on the assumption that they had been radicalized by barsadized version of Islam. But no, that would be too difficult a thing for this government to have to deal with. So instead it was a pile on Elon Musk because he thought that Australia's rules should only extend as far as Australia.

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We're seeing mego maniacs like Elon Musk going to court to fight for the right to show terrorist content, alleged terrorist content on his platform.

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Its just shaws his arrogance.

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This is an egotist, totally out of touch. He clearly sees this as a vanity project for himself.

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Elo must has no social conscience or conscience whatsoever. Quite frankly, the biker should be jailed the power that that man has because that platform that he's on, it's got to stop. That bloke has no conscience. He is an absolute freaking disgrace. And there's nothing else to say about Alel Musk.

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So of course it all went off to court. They got their early win, but then X started to fight back. They won an injunction and now today we learn that the e Safety Karen is no longer going to be pursuing the matter. The matter is now done. X wins, the video stays, and the e safety Karen says this is the reason why her fight must end for now.

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After considering multiple litigations, the prudent use of public funds, and the faylanks of lawyers that ex Corp Has lined up in the Federal court, we thought it made the most sense to have an independent test and of a merits review through the aat of why we issued the class one notice don't you love this?

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Or the prudent use of taxpayer funds? This is an instrument of the same government that spends six hundred thousand dollars on a speech writer. This is the same government that spends forty million dollars on advertising of tax changes. This is the same government that will buy not one, but two brand new private planes for the Prime Minister. Yes, ordered under the previous government, but not canceled by this government,

had more than four hundred million dollars. Perhaps the ultimate reality is that they knew the case wouldn't stand because while the powers exist in Australia, you cannot expect the rest of the world have to take this thing down now. I very much believe that videos celebrating crime should be

taken down as soon as possible. But the heavy handed approach here had the attempt of the government to change the subject from the real one, which was the radicalization of teens serves as a message of priorities, and the priority wasn't the video. The priority was the other stuff on the internet that sends teenagers kids born here nuts in the name of a bastardized version of their religion. Now today we had to put up with the nonsense spectacle that apparently the Labor Party is drawing a line

about the behavior of the Greens. Now today both sides of major party politics, Well, they turned on the Greens because in part they had said that they had had enough of what the Greens have been saying when it comes to Gaza, the sort of stuff that ends up giving apparent moral justification to lunatics who have been vandalizing

the officers of Australian politicians. Now you do notice that none of these things were being said automatically in our parliament, when it wasn't the MP's officers that were being attacked, when it was just members of the public and a bit of back and forth. Well, you know, it's all part of free speech right well now that it's hit home,

particular for Labour Party MPs. We got the scenario today where both sides of Parliament agreed the Greens are terrible in this area and they use the lowest of issues to make political points in this country. First, Peter Dutton.

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We stand as one in this chamber, or we should stand as one to make sure that we condemned the unacceptable levels of antisemitism that we see playing out on our streets.

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It has no place and we.

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Will take everything, every action we need as a chamber to make sure that we condemn those acts of antisemitism in our country.

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And the Green's.

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Political party today is properly and rightly condemned.

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Albow in response.

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It is unacceptable that misinformation has been consciously and deliberately spread by some Green senators and Mpece have engaged in this damn'sts outside offices and online.

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And then of course the Green's got to respond and point the finger at anyone but themselves about the behavior that has got out of control in the country since October.

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I will not be lectured to about peace and nonviolence by people who back the invasion of Gazo.

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Children are dying children are dying because the Israeliami has engineered a famine and instead.

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Of talking about the victims of Burron, Minister wants to make it about himself.

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Now, interestingly, the Green's leader is not alone in his worldview. We know that about some of the things that have been happening on the streets. But tonight there's a story which is broken on the front page of the Australian newspaper that apparently there are members of the Defense Force, people who are in the Australian Defense Force who are signing anti Israel petitions. We're talking about people from the Human Rights Commission, we are talking about the people who

supposedly understand the limits of military power. Now, again, whatever your view on whether the state of Israel and the government of Israel has gone too far, the idea that people inside the Australian Defense Force are trying to side not but the people of Palestine. But of course the military force of Hamas is a disgrace. But of course I don't buy any of this stuff from the Labour Party. That are the Greens. They're terrible, aren't they awful? Aren't

they terrible? Because of course, mathematically the Labour Party basically doesn't exist in the Federal Parliament without the Greens. Now, they won seven seats on their own outright, seventy of their seats went to preferences, of which the Greens preferences were the ones that got them over the line. Seventy of the seventy seven members of the Federal Parliament that are there on the behalf of the Labour Party are

also there thanks to the preference of the Greens. So I will truly believe that the Prime Minister has had enough of the behavior of the Greens when he decides to put them last. But of course he won't do that because there's this cozy little arrangement where the Greens get to protest yet support the actions of the Labor Party. The Labor Party gets to have a crack at the

Greens but takes their preferences in the Senate. They can't get anything done without the Greens, and potentially, in a minority parliament, they would not be able to even form a government without them. Now, we've had conversations over the years about which political parties are deserving of going last. I do not see how anyone could suggest that the Greens should be anything but last for every major political party.

Now there are people inside the NP in certain states who think that it's clever to send preferences to the Greens because it's a way of denying the Labor Party seats. This is not acceptable. The Greens are the worst possible choice for Australian politics, no matter what they peddle and what polls tell you that they are the voice of younger generations for obvious reasons. If you are serious about the threat that the Greens pose, then you should be

willing to put some of your own skin in the game. Yes, maybe even seventy seats worth of it. But at some point the Labor Party should preference the Liberal Party, and the Liberal Party should preference the Labor Party before we get to options like the Greens. And again another example about the double speak that comes out of the O SOO sanctumonious Greens. Now they constantly tell us that we need more housing, and we do need more housing in

the country. Best money in building hundreds of thousands of good quality homes to be sold and rented at prices people can actually afford.

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In a wealthy country like ours. Everyone should have a roof over their head and.

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One of the key things that governments could do to bring down rantsom make sure housing is.

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More affordable is built more public housing.

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Everyone has the right to.

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Have a roof over their head, especially a wealthy country like Australia, and so until we build more, the problems is going to get worse than work worse.

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But guess which MP from which political party is opposing the building of more units in their electorate. Well, that's right, the Greens. The Greens who say we need more housing. But if it's in their backyard and they don't like how big it's going to be, then it's time to come out and oppose it. Talk about having your cake and eating it too, but it'll obviously have to be vegan and gluten free. Now, the latest economic numbers you've heard by now that if Australia was getting its pulse checked,

they'd have to double check that we had one. Why because according to the latest GDP, we are a heartbeat away from a recession. Have a look at economic growth since this government came to power, almost one percent, then suddenly became point one percent, point eight, became point six point four, point two point three and now just zero point one percent. Technically growing. But it's like your car idling at the lights, and if it's a little bit out of tune, you take your foot off the break

and it starts to ever so slightly hinge forward. That is the problem that we have at the moment. But of course, the per capita recession, the one that you and I are living, is one that has now gone on for five quarters in a row. This has gone on for the best part of a year and a bit. Now we are in a serious situation at the moment where the Australian people go backwards. The government idols idols. But of course the Treasurer says, this is my plan. It's all working, trust me.

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These national accounts, so we got the budget settings right. They justify our approach to fighting inflation and repairing the budget without smashing the economy when growth was already sought and the people were already under pressure. They completely vindicate our strategy.

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Ridiculous. This guy will think that every single statistic just backs in his worldview. The country is not even sputtering zero point one percent. Every three months, the numbers go down and down and down and down and down. Now, of course, in the next three months if we start to go backwards, you have to wait another three months after that, and it would seem unlikely that we get into some technical recession. But if the majority of Australians in there are in a per capita i e. Normal people,

a per capita recession, you are already living one. But of course you can't possibly admit that in the world of Canberra, because that would say you'd have to accept some level of responsibility. Meantime, the Reserve Bank, now remember this government has already tried to rig the process. How many times they meet, they will eventually try to rid the process about who is going to be deciding whether

interest rates go up or not. But in the meantime, Michelle Bullock, who is of course the Preserved Bank governor, she has said today that she will not hesitate to raise interest rates if she believes that inflation, which is currently nowhere near between two and three percent instead is between three and four percent, that if that continues, despite the fact that the joint is going backwards in terms of per capita and only just rolling forward on the

official statistics, she would still increase interest rates. I look forward to talking about this with Stephen Conroy and with Rob and Bishop in a couple of moments time in a ding dong here on this Wednesday night. Megan Kelly will join us as well from the United States. Now, as we know, the Prime Minister and Peter Dutton do not see iday on how we should keep the lights on.

The Prime Minister believes that we should spend tens of billions of dollars the cso of course, saying it's anywhere between halfer and one trillion dollars to actually move from the grid that used to work to the one that fingers crossed might work. For his position, Peter Dutton says, yes, while it's expensive, Yes, while it takes a little time to get going, nuclear energy is the best way to go.

And put simply, the best idea is to use existing coal fire power sites which are currently being planned to be turned not into energy generators but in terms of energy storage things like batteries, But that would not be the case. Instead that power plants would go there. And

Albow well, he believes he's under a winner here. He thinks, despite the fact that now six out of ten Australians support it as a way of getting our power and getting emissions down, that he's able to scare everyone that you're living in the Simpsons and your kids will turn green. Not voting, but literally.

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Nuclear power is the most expensive form of new energy that certainly doesn't help with climate chain.

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Heart of the scare, he decided to take this to the Internet today and believe it or not, had actually got a misinformation strike among other things from tit it Today. Prime Minister put this tweet up saying what do these beautiful parts of Australia have in common? They're at risk of a nuclear reactor in their backyard under Peter Dutton. Australians have waited six hundred and seventy three days for

details on Peter Dutton's nuclear plan. He still won't say which cities, which towns, and he decided to put a whole bunch of photos out there to help scare people

about what may or may not be happening. Places like Newcastle, Anglesea, the w Sundays, the Barossa Valley, Bridey Island, Gippsland and the Hunter Valley gets a second little shout out from the Prime Minister trying to scare people, but well under the Daily Mail because they had a look at some of the people who replied to the Prime Minister's tweet before it got a misinformation strike from x Here's some of the responses as people have turned around and said,

you realize that renewables are covering every blade of grass in some parts of Australia. Someone says, funny, I prefer a nuclear reactor over thousands of kilometers of your government green lighting areas to be turned into solar Another one. What do these beautiful places have in common? They're all at risk of being cleared for solar panels and wind, but filling up thousands of acres of solar panel farms is perfectly okay. What a hypocrite you are, Prime Minister

car Waite finnuculear. Have you've seen the scars of wind and solar? Another one? What's so beautiful about these things? And what do they have in common? There are at risk of solar panels and wind turbines in their backyard. Under Alba good point, you see lefties belief that they can have it both ways, that they can save the planet in their parts of Australia by ruining the literal land in regional Australia, and because regional Australia generally speaking,

doesn't vote for the current government. Well, bugger you again. This is one of the central problems that many people have had in a long time about the transition to renewable energy is that when we start to see places in the cities having to bear the same scars that they do in regional areas, then surprise, surprise, the same issues where locals don't want it in their parts of Australia would be echoed by those who push it in

city areas. Where is the suggestion that the local dog park in Marrickville is about to be covered in solar panels. Where is the suggestion that in the teal seats there's any plans for a wind farm anytime soon? Oh know that all goes to the bush because firstly who lives there and secondly they don't vote for you. So the Prime Minister and the collective brain that says renewables only effectively says bug you. Now I have to ask the question, how have we come to this as a great, modern,

wonderful country. We've got to the state where discipline in our schools is now so widely out of control that they are teachers among us who are now starting to think about the introduction of cameras to the classroom. Let me explain. Of course, schools, according to the OECD, have become major battlegrounds. I say battlegrounds because disruptive schools puts us in. Some of the most disruptive schools in the

world according to the OECD. The qoreyam Mar says there's a six million dollar sturge in assaults on teachers and school staff. They go on to say that in the twenty two to twenty three financial year, there were six hundred and ninety eight classroom assaults that were lodged in the state of Queensland and there were assault claims which resulted in the best part of about five million dollars being paid. The MP shadow Education spokesperson said the data

showed the state government is losing control of classrooms. So now, what's a suggestion from some teachers in Queensland Body cameras the same stuff the police wear, so they're able to show who the aggressor is. And he said she said, or he said he said, or she said she said, or have they said he said, or have they said that?

You get my point? Altercation when a student assaults a teacher. Now, we have spent billions of dollars trying to turn around what have been very bad education results in our schools for longer than a decade. The one thing that has continued to get worse no matter how much money is spent is classroom discipline. Yet where is the plan to

deal with it? Where is the plan to give teachers greater rights to intervene in poorly behaved students instead in places like Queensland, now indigenous students and neurodiverse students will be able to appeal their suspensions if they are involved in things like assaults on teachers. How have we got to a place where teachers would like the same equipment that the police use. We're having a look at Fortitude

Valley every Friday and Saturday night meantime. As you know, the ABC is morally better than everyone else in the Australian media. Just pick any one of their number of shows who try to poke at the media that they don't work for as of course, being either intellectually or definitely morally inferior to the great ABC. Well, today we got an incredible piece of information about just how much problems there are at the ABC and not from twenty years ago, not from ten years ago, but in fact,

in the past two years. How's this? The ABC is failing to meet its own standards when it comes to bullying and sexual harassment. The managing director has said that an internal survey found thirteen percent of respondents to the National Broadcaster's News division, so this is only the News division said that they had experienced sexual harassment sexual harassment

of the ABC in the past two years. Now, again, no organization in the country does not have this problem, but the ABC takes great joy in pointing out the moral failings of every other organization. What about and look at their own backyard. And this is on top of the ABC of course having to back pay to the tune of what thirty million dollars. I think it was because they underpaid their staff. But what sort of work

environment when this force is the public service. Now they may think there's something magically different about broadcasting, but it's the same rules as the tax office. Back to the survey, one quarter of respondents said they had experienced bullying at the ABC, with the most common types reported as intimidation, but littling and humiliating comments. Now I'm not sure exactly what's being said, and I don't know if it's a whole series of snowflake behavior, but supposedly they're better than

everyone else. The seven hundred and forty five employees, jeez, that's a few who took the survey, So that's not everyone. In the news division, ninety seven people reported as having experienced sexual harassment. Sixty five percent of the respondents were women. Now, there couldn't be a more friendly, friendly workplace to the current attitudes than supposedly public broadcasting. But twenty nine percent of the staff in the division turned around and completed

the survey. So if that's the numbers of the people that were actually willing to fill out the forms, imagine what the reality might be, including of the people who are actually the victims. For his part, the boss of the ABC turns around and says, if anyone doesn't understand or accept this, the ABC is not the working environment for them. There will be consequences for those staff who are found to have behave in an unacceptable manner, no

matter what their role is of the ABC. Geez, you, I reckon that'll be the case, because if you are a blessed member of the ABC, they'll pay your private legal fees when you say tofamatory things on the internet, when you clearly breach editorial standards, when you're free wheeling at writers festivals, etc. They'll find ways to say, Look, we've canceled you, But she's amazing, isn't she wonderful? Isn't

she incredible? Clearly the organization is one that, like many media organizations in the past, not pretending that this is exclusively an ABC problem. There is a hierarchy, and clearly there is a hierarchy of people who are known and unknown to us as the viewers, listeners or readers of the ABC, who think they can get away with it.

Why because they keep doing it now, I, like anyone else, understand that what was okay ten years ago is not OKA five years ago, is not OKA two years ago, and definitely is not okay today watch this space because the ABC, rather than looking at itself, I would suggest, will now start an investigations unit into every other person who's ever criticized the ABC as opposed to the ABC itself, where clearly they've got just the same problems as everyone else.

Now it's important to follow up on stories, and we don't really do that enough in the media, but certainly I wanted to do it when it comes to one of the things that many of us felt straight after

the stabbings in Bondi a few months ago. While people wanted to turn it into a gendered example of violence, the reality was that it was an example about how the mental health system has completely collapsed, where people fall through the cracks who should be in institutions when they don't take their meds and they don't see anyone, well, the worst of possible things can take place.

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Now.

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Many people like myself, straight after what happened in Bondi focused on this as a need for something to be done.

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If they improve and they get a bit better their discharge from the vital services that they need, which are in incredibly short supply through state of governments since the closure of the Metal hospitals. They haven't done their job in providing a safe and environment for the states that they operate in the community metal health system is very modest and is overwhelmed with demand.

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Well, he's proving himself to be the best premiere in the country. Chris Mins, Labour's premier in New South Wales. Well, he along with his mental Health Minister Rose Jackson, who I know is absolutely committed to following through not just saying things of press conferences, actually announce some more money

for exactly this type of thing. They know it's not the end of the road, but it is a very big step, and I wanted to give him a yay for the day for actually following through on what he said at press conferences as opposed to his colleague in Cambra.

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There's a linkage of course between homelessness, housing, the New South Wales health system and their interactions with New South

Wales Police. And if we can make an early investment with new initiatives that are actually working in the community, then not only can we save money when it comes to other parts of spending for the New South Wales government, we can make a difference with someone's wife who's going through a terrible experience and maybe suffering from crippling mental health diagnoses.

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In the States, Hunter Biden remains in court multiple charges all in and around a gun that he should have admitted that he was not supposed to have. Why because of a series of mental health issues that came as

a result of drug abuse. But you may remember that at the height of the twenty twenty election, we were not allowed, allegedly to tell you about the existence of a laptop, one that apparently had been left by Hunter Biden that explained not just his drug use, but also, you know, the big guy, all the payments and the rest of it. He was referred at the time by intelligence officials as Russian disinformation. Well guess what was produced today literally as evidence in the case against Hunter Biden

in court. Yep, the laptop that apparently never existed.

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Opening Stevens today in the trial of President Biden's son Hunter on federal gun charges. Prosecution telling jurors he lied about his drug use on a government background check to buy a gun, and they introduced evidence from his laptop.

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You mean it was always true? Well done a Miranda Devine and the New York Post who never never gave up on the reality of that laptop. Funnily enough, though, the other evidence it's on the laptop not to be used for anything, just this one thing in relation to the gun charge. As for the fight between Hunter's father and Donald Trump for the presidency coming up in November, the next big event is going to be the debate, which will take place towards the end of this month.

It'll be on CNN for coverage here in the lead up and post here on Sky News. I wanted to show you the latest polls though. These are the ones that have happened after the court case. But there are not many that have happened after the court case, So these numbers may bounce around. But Trump nationally forty one thirty nine, and because Kennedy is writing at the best part of ten percent, there has not been a big change in the overall mix. Remember that's the national picture

of fifty states. Well, what about the seven states that most matter? Again, the most recent poll these that have been dated in the past seven days. So Trump winning in Arizona, in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and Georgia. If that all comes true, he gets to two seventy votes, nice and easy. Nevada, which previously people had said was in Trump's column by five points, is now back to a tie. Now Wisconsin would be expected to go back to a tie as well, so it is getting tighter.

But if the numbers aren't moving even after the court case, that will be fascinating to see. Independents, however, have said supposedly by a significant number of about six out of ten, that they would think very strongly about voting for Biden because Trump is now a convicted felon. Of course he will hope to appeal that, but that will not be done before the next election. But perhaps the reason why the number is not really moving back Biden's way is

because of what is the top issue for voters. Well, of course it's cost of blooming and the economy. But the number two and clearly number two issue that is driving people all around the country is.

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It was just one percent of voters who said that it ranked fifteenth on the list of most important problems in the United States. Look at where we are today May of twenty twenty four, the last Paul conducted by galp It's up to eighteen percent.

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And who do they trust on the issue?

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Because back in June of twenty twenty Biden was actually trusted more on the question of border security and immigration by a single point. Look at where we are in May of twenty twenty four. My goodness, gracious, look at this huge jump that Donald Trump has gotten. He is now ahead on this issue by twenty seven percentage points. So it's not just that immigration is more at the top of voters minds than it was four years ago. It's that who they trust on the issue has tanged tremendously.

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So Joe Biden today I picked up the same pin that he used to reverse many of the Trump border decisions and put many of them back, not all of them back. And apparently, of course it will only kicking win. Two and a half thousand people have passed eight and

every day. That means nine hundred and twelve and a half thousand people will be allowed to cross the border, and then his rules will kick in, something that reporters who've been watching the southern border for years say is going to be a problem.

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You have to focus on the true details here. Yes, he is going to limit and restrict asylum to some people who cross the border illegally in between ports of entry. But he's going to continue bringing in tens of thousands of migrants per month using this CBP one app and flying them into the country.

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Via these parole flights. So the illegal.

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Crossing numbers may go down a little bit, but he's bringing more people into the country through quote unquote lawful pathways, which are just programs He's created at the executive level.

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Guys.

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So he says he'll slam the door if on anyone two and a half thousand people cross the border illegally. That of course will turn out to be three point six million people should he be re elected over the next four years. And he's sculping it from the Lift, who of course the weakest part of the Democratic bise at the moment, because of what's happening in Gaza. He's going Trump.

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I think the President could have handled this differently. I've told him that directly, and I think that we have to lean in as Democrats to an inclusive vision of immigration, and we really have to make continue to point out all the differences that we have with Donald Trump, who is theenophobic racist, has said terrible things about immigrants.

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I know that is not who President Biden is, but using the same tools that Donald Trump used is actually a big problem for Democrats to be able to continue to show those differences and keep our base with us.

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Nothing to say here, all right, quick break back when well plent need to talk about everything from the grains in a whole lot more. Broman Bishop versus Stephen Conroy, Stephen Conroy versus Bromwin, Bishop ding Ding, get ready for the big battle this Wednesday night, Megan Kelly, before we're done. Oh, I'm so excited. Let's get straight into it right now. They can hit as hard as they want. Nobody will be sent to the sin bin. There is no HIA

rules that exist on debate television. Brom and Bishop is here carry out a champ is always on a Wednesday night and trying to take a crown each and every week. But Alas he always finishes just that inch short. He's none other than the wonderful Stephen Conroy who's here to help from the Labour Party. So Bromwin. Today we saw fire and brimstone from the Prime Minister about the disgrace that was the Greens. Okay, fine, let's all just agree to put them last. Isn't that the ultimate test?

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Absolutely? But I saw him read a speech. I saw Peter Dutton speak from the heart and with passion, good point and the comparison was riveting. And then of course we've seen all the footage of albo is. Yes, our fat elbow speaking as he doesn't change his spots, he's still elbow the trot.

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Well, certainly, by the way, I love that yes, apparently hasn't been able to get access to his office since January. Why are we only hearing about this in June? All right? Unless it was all sort of partially time towards today. But Stephen again, I understand the mathematical problem for the Labor Party right, which is you can't win every seat on primary, so at some point you're going to need preferences. At some point you need to do how to vote, and there is a safety that comes with the number

that comes from the Greens. But are we really supposed to believe that Labour's really blowing up with the Greens when you need the Greens and unless you're going to put them last, it's all a bit of a pantomime, isn't it.

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Well, look, I mean, just so I've got some historical context here, Adam Bant is in Parliament as a member for Melbourne.

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Because the Liberal Party, and it's a disgrace Adam band.

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So just what made sure that.

Speaker 1

I said it in the editorial? I completely tell you my.

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Advice spot don't do it.

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But there you go.

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And I believe that Broman, I absolutely very believe that. So both parties have a challenge on this less so for the Liberals, because I think I suspect they will actually do follow Bromin's advice this time. Labor they've got a range of candidates that they put last, usually ahead of the Greens. I mean Pauline Hanston.

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Right wing far right wing.

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Groups usually get put last, so Labor always has to balance up between the ideological extremes. I think there's a case building that the Greens shouldn't get Labour's preferences. I think their behavior, their blatant anti semitism, is making.

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It harder for Labor.

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To deal with this.

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And I think the increasingly extreme views that have emerged from the Greens over the last twelve months on these issues means.

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Labour's got to have a very very good look at what it does.

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In many circumstances well surround the country on that issue.

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But Stephen, the Green's anti semitism was on show as early as twenty eleven, I mean when they had their whole policy which was to ban boycott Jewish businesses. It's been there, bubbling away and under the surface.

Speaker 1

But it is fair to say we are where we are now, and it is interesting to hear somebody who understands numbers, like Stephen saying like, I think we're kind of getting to that point in the same way as I said, at some point in time, the Liberal Party has to say, of all of the options, you know what, labor's the least worst and vice versa. Instead, when it's just this sort of fight to the death and you know, as long as you die, then I'm okay, Well, it's much worse for the country.

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Isn't it.

Speaker 10

Well it is. I mean the Greens are an absolute disgrace.

Speaker 1

Absolutely.

Speaker 10

They deserve to be bottom of everybody's voting ticket, no matter who they prefer with you, they really are. When I saw bat rise in the Parliament having been worn by the Speaker what rising on indulgence means, and then he sets out to try and debate it, which is you know, and I know has to be done by a different mechanism at a different time in the parliament.

Speaker 1

His face it was just so full of hate. It was just dispiriting. I just want to get off the ticket here for a moment, because I quickly want to talk about what the Reserve Bank bosses had to say amazingly today with us just barely sputtering along this is what she says about interest rates. Have a look, if.

Speaker 20

We think we're on the narrow path, we can stay basically pretty much where we are, not ruling anything in, ruling anything out.

Speaker 1

But if it.

Speaker 20

Turns out, for example, that inflation starts to go up again, or it's much sticky than we think, we're not getting it down, then we won't hesitate to move and raise interest rates again.

Speaker 1

Now, Stephen, I know you're such a fan of the Reserve Bank, especially it's most recent decisions to go up, But preparing us again when growth is zero point one percent and we're in a pick capita recession, that's matt it is.

Speaker 4

It is extraordinary.

Speaker 16

For ten years, they've got their wage forecasts wrong. They predicted wages up here, wages have been down here, and that's been the reason why we've got to have interest rates at various levels. Then don't forget it's not that long ago. Michelle bullergaself tried to say, it's got too many people having haircuts going to the cinema, that sort of stuff. I mean, they keep trying to cherry then it was services inflation. They keep trying to.

Speaker 4

Cherry pick one statistic out.

Speaker 16

Of twenty to try and justify their completely ludicrous positions. They are driving the economy into the ground. It is time to start backing off before you send this country.

Speaker 1

Into a recession.

Speaker 16

It's already as everyone's talking about a capita recession, and that is having serious impact and consequences.

Speaker 10

Steven, we haven't had a full on recession since Paul Keating. The recession we had to have it took us ten years to recover. Now we've got a treasurer who thinks everything's wonderful, it's going swimmingly. He's a snake oil salesman. I just pull him the snake jarma. But basically what he's saying is all our policies have been great. What's he done. He's forced up wages, which has forced up inflation. It's chasing and chasing and.

Speaker 4

Chase up wages.

Speaker 10

Yes, forced up wages which now buys less. So what's the point you wors off petrols up excises up the value.

Speaker 16

You economically illiterate. I've never actually considered to be economically illiterate until well the point you've just made.

Speaker 4

Not Stephen, not so grow wage growth, chasing inflation.

Speaker 10

You're in trouble, and everybody.

Speaker 4

Knows the Fair Work Commission.

Speaker 16

The Fair Work Commission is generally considered this week to have struck.

Speaker 4

The middle ground between its still over.

Speaker 10

It's still over the inflation rate didn't it, So it's still chasing. But the bottom line is that the government is stimulating. On one hand, says it's.

Speaker 4

These are the lowest flame made workers we have.

Speaker 10

We have got the insane energy policy, which means that everything goes up because everything is touched by the cost of electricity. There is nothing this government has energy made it better.

Speaker 4

For the energy relates were better.

Speaker 1

Let you all lo elected.

Speaker 10

They're better off before your lot were elected.

Speaker 4

No matter what they have falling real wages under you.

Speaker 10

Every person is suffering because of your policy, your body's policies.

Speaker 1

Now maybe it's the life of Brian.

Speaker 16

What are the Romans done for us been apart from roads or apart from aqueducts.

Speaker 4

It's like the life of Brian. Real wages going down.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I'm not going to be cheering the wages or going up.

Speaker 10

There is nothing that this government has done. Nothing, nothing makes well.

Speaker 1

Look, I think too little texts, I think too little, too late. When it comes to the practical side of the tax stuff. Of course, you know the idea of every mansion in the country getting bill relief. I'm so pleased that that's going to be one of the true labor legacies of Snake. What was Snake Chairman? Snake Charman? All right, cool? I like it. Thank you guys, out of time. We'll do it again next week, I promise longer. It means I have to shut up earlier in the show,

so there's more of you guys every wedding. Stay, yes, I get the emails, so just get a little focused on the news. All right, quick, right back with more, including the wonderful Megan Kelly. Next, our favorite time of the week to talk to our favorite person in the world, not on than the one and only Megan Kelly. Megan, how are you? My love?

Speaker 19

Great to be here now.

Speaker 1

Hunter Biden is in a trial right now. It's three felony charges. He's in a world of pain. How do you think it's going.

Speaker 19

He's going down and he's going down hard.

Speaker 21

His best chance is that he's being tried in front of a Delaware jury. I mean, he's in federal court, but it's still Delawareans and they love the Bidens in Delaware, and Jill Biden is sitting front and center in the courtroom, and so you know, she's beloved by pretty much everyone, and there she's telegraphing this is a loving family. Everyone's had a drug problem in their family. This is a disease that's affected everyone. And really it's just poor, helpless hunter.

But the reality is they have him dead to rights on the actual charges. There's no question that he filled out the form falsely and that he had a gun that he was not authorized to have.

Speaker 19

He's going to argue possession.

Speaker 21

Did he really have it or was it really just under the control of his dead brother's widow who he was having an affair with. Okay, none of that's going to work unless we just have jury nullification, you know. And the jury nullification is when the jury knows they're supposed to find one way and they just won't.

Speaker 19

They just say, I'm not finding him guilty.

Speaker 21

I don't care, I don't care what this verdict form has tells me I have to do, because really, his defense so far seems to be on the possession charge. I really didn't never hold it that much. Philly's kind of halle Biden not me. How did it get magically from the gun store to your house? Why are you pictured with it in your waistband in all your weird drug photos. But okay, let's give him that one. How is he going to get out of the fact that he lied on the application form by saying he wasn't

an active user and he wasn't an addict? Now, he might say he's been arguing an open air opening statement that he wasn't using like at that moment, so he wasn't sniffing cocaine as he was filling out Hunter Biden on the forum, and that he thought, I guess he was, you know, somehow sober because he'd recently.

Speaker 19

Been to rehab. But his book contradicts all of those claims.

Speaker 21

His book makes very clear he was an active addiction before, during, and after the application. So his best hope again is during nullification. And if I were Hunter, I'd have Jill Biden sitting in the front row too.

Speaker 1

Now, one of the things that I've mentioned a couple of times when people just don't think is true, can you please confirm to us that Hunter Biden, after his brother died, ended up hooking up with his dead brother's wife.

Speaker 19

It's a lot, it's a lot to take in. So it's just what you thought.

Speaker 21

Hunter Biden couldn't couldn't get any creepier when Bo Biden, I think was easily the best Biden. It's very sad that he died at a young age. I actually think he would have had a great future in democratic politics, and as far as I can tell, he wasn't a dirtbag like the brother. He was the Attorney General of the state of Delaware, and he had a great future ahead of him. And I think the old man Joe had put most of the family's lockstock and trade into

the first son, Bo, but tragically he died. He did serve in Iraq, and Joe Biden says he is exposed to the chemical burn pits there, which caused a brain tumor. He did not die in Iraq, but he died supposedly. I haven't seen the reports on this myself, but from that experience, but in her grief, Hallie Biden, Bo's widow, I think was taken advantage of by Hunter Biden, who, without question, I'm sure was grieving the loss of his brother, but who expresses that grief by going over and stopping

the grieving widow of your dead brother. I mean, especially because you know, I don't know, like I kind of give her a pass because she's so grief stricken. This is probably the closest thing she has to bo Biden. And I'm sure she was. I mean, no person in their right mind was sleep with Hunter Biden, so it's obvious she wasn't a right mind. And yet you know, he was in the midst of his constant, ongoing drug thing, and nobody in the family had the good sense to

stop him, including Joe Biden. So yeah, that's what happened. Not surprisingly, it didn't work out.

Speaker 1

Of course, everything last week was about Trump being found guilty on old counts. Do you think he's actually going to get sent to gile Although found some other wise of punishing the former president just a couple of days before the Republican Convention.

Speaker 21

You know, I've been surprised at the amount of buzz over here amongst legal scholars.

Speaker 19

I really respect that.

Speaker 21

He's likely to I mean, we all know he may, and I think I thought almost all of us predicted he will not. But more and more I'm seeing amongst very credible legal and political observers a prediction that he

will be sentenced to jail. Now, even those people are saying the odds are it will be a suspended sentence where the first time you get in trouble with the law, maybe they say a year in jail or two months in jail or two years in jail, but you don't actually have to serve it unless you get in trouble again during that time and then it kicks right in.

Speaker 19

You've got to go serve the whole bit.

Speaker 21

But even just the sentence like that he would have to go to jail suspended or not, would be an earthquake.

Speaker 19

I mean, it would be.

Speaker 21

An absolute earthquake. And I still remain convinced that this judge won't do it. The theory boils down to yes. While virtually no falsification of business records cases get jail time unless somebody's falsifying records to cover up like a violent felony, you know, it has to be something bad, really bad, not federal election law violations or whatever the heck. The jury came to the conclusion this was on the

underlying frame. But the argument is that what he's really been found guilty of is conspiracy to steal an election, and that I mean the Democrats think that warrants at least the political death penalty and certainly some time in jail. We've got James Comey, the former FBI director, going on TV saying he can be put in jail. We'll get him a double wide with the double white trailer and

he can sit in the prison yard. So what they're saying is that Trump has to go serve prison time in solitary confinement, which is arguably the worst punishment you can give any prisoner for who knows how long. Because he wrote down legal expenses instead of hush money payment, it makes sense, right, perfect, But.

Speaker 1

Dount Democrats dream of him in the orange jumpsuit, the image of him somehow being alone and crying himself to sleep in a gile cell.

Speaker 19

Well, he is a rabid partisan.

Speaker 21

And I say that not only because he donated thirty five dollars to Biden and has stopped the far right con Spiracy subgroup. It was a crazy title that he earmarked his money for. That showed he really loathes the right. But I say it because he ruled I mean overwhelmingly for the prosecution in that trial.

Speaker 19

It was so bias.

Speaker 21

Somebody called him a prosecutor in a judge's robe, you know, like the secret prosecutor on the bench. I think that's exactly right. So I make, you know, no excuses for him. He's capable of it. But I also think he's astute and he might be feeling how that would play on the other side as well. You know that in the same way the Trump mugshot is now invaluable.

Speaker 19

It's everywhere. His supporters love it.

Speaker 21

They're running around with T shirts and actual coffee mugs and so on. I think the judge realizes what a risk that would be. And if I had to put money on it, because I still silly me have some belief in the judicial system, I would say he's going to do what he would do in any other case. And that's why I am one of the people who believes there will not your jail sentence

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