Paul Murray Live | 5 August

From the skying in Center. This is Paul Murray life. You know, man, what is it? Monday, August twenty twenty four.

And I say this with pride, but I think I've officially become my dad. Now I'm only forty six, but I've now hit that moment where.

I'm cold all the time.

I was used to roll my eyes a little bit when Dad was like, Jesus, cold, isn't a cold? Isn't a mate cold? I'm that guy this winter.

I know I've had an arctic blast here, there and everywhere, but I'm wrapped up layer upon layer and I'm still cold.

So I've officially joined the club anyway, hopefully for the next forty six years. Good luck with my eating well, I will find a way to get warm. But one of the ways, of course, is to bask in the awesomeness of Queen's Land. Now, as you know, I was not born in the state, but I consider myself spiritually a Queenslander. You know how much I love going on holidays there, the good people that are there, the hope and possibility of getting rid of a bad government.

Well, of course, in Australia we always have these little fights about you know which is best?

Is it Sydney with its emerald city and beautiful harbor? Is it Melbourne the most livable city according to five hundred and twenty eight.

Surveys in a row?

Is a beautiful bris Vegas the host of the Olympic Games in two thousand and thirty two.

Who knows? But of course right now the.

Joy of Queensland is being spread worldwide via the events that are taking place in Paris.

Of course, Australia doing incredibly well on that medal tally.

Remember our officials said they didn't want to tell us how many medals they think we'd win.

We obviously I'm involved.

We have won thirty one twelve of them a gold doing pretty well, doing better than places like Korea which are nailing it in sports like archery. Wow, that men's final was unbelievable last night. But let's focus in on Queensland because I've got to say well done to Chris Jones and all of the people of the corea are because they found a way to Queensland a fire Smpics

Australia's gold medals.

In fact, if the Sunshine Sunshine State was a nation as of Sunday, I would have tied with Japan for seventh place on the middle Talley. Not all of Australia, but beautiful Queensland with eight golds, but be ahead of countries like Canada. Now this may be according to some economists, but it's according to your heart where you know. Queensland's nailing it at the Olympics. Queensland has also guarned five silver and two bronze. Fifteen medals for beautiful Queensland. Oh

Per capita on the middle tally, with a gold for every one hundred and eighty nine thousand residents. The Caribbean island of Saint Lucia is the only place doing better.

So queens Australia might be running in the.

Top five at fourth, Queensland is running second.

Getting ready for Olympics, eight years from now.

As for those wonderful Queenslanders that have been winning their gold medals, many of them coming from the pool, all of them of course taking strength from the beautiful sun that exists north of the tweed.

As soon as you hit cool and gatter against golder and golder, the more you go.

And that incredible performance of course in the BMX, which is so cool that the story of that lady unbelievable.

Hopefully we get a.

Chance to talk to her when we're allowed to, and channel Line doesn't own everything what she was able to do, incredible getting over the incredible difficulties that she's had her brother as well. But most importantly before I get to all the other depressing stuff that's around today, and there's a bit do Queensland.

Now.

As you know, you who have been told many many times by people in the United States, people who said that Joe Biden was completely smart and up to it, that their economy is amazing.

We've created more jobs, We've may run a situation where people have access to good paying jobs. This last week we saw the biggest jump in thirty years. And how positive consumers are feeling about the economy, the unemployment rate fell to three point four percent.

That's the lowest in fifty four years.

We came in office, and we knew because we.

Are of and care about the people as opposed to the richest billionaires, which is who the former president gave a tax cut to and then created one of the largest deficits our country has ever seen.

Expect that for four more years.

Well, by the way, I'm not entirely sure he'specsal to do this when you're public speaking, but whatever, Joe deserves a spot on Mount Rushmore. Now, this is not about American politics. It's about the global economy and its effects on the Australian economy because anyone who watches the share market knows there was a massive effect on the mean suggestion that the the United States, despite all appearances, is actually heading towards a recession.

One that they would hit in and around election day.

Now this matters because literally today the media, well it hair was on fire because they're heading for a recession.

For fears of a recession in the US.

With fears the US is headed for recession, there's concerned things could get worse before they get better.

Traders are reacting to fears there could be a recession in the US.

So, yes, stock markets go up, they go down. Over the long period of time, they generally go up. But I am a financial planner and seek your individual advice or whatever. The thing I legally have to say is, but guess how much money was wiped off the Australian stock exchange today on the fears of a recession.

In the United States.

Not five, not ten, not fifty, not seventy five, but one hundred, one hundred b four billion dollars. It's more than that over the past couple of days. And there are huge problems ross green we can explain.

It better than me.

One hundred billion dollars or so I've been wiped from the value of the Australian stock market.

And also the issues exist around the world. It isn't just Australia and time zones. This problem, which normally can say start in the United States and take its way around for twenty four hours, well it's going global financial times. Global share markets are tumbling. Al Jazeera says that Japan's Nikeye has slumped the worst it's been since nineteen eighty seven. Today's stock exchange, by the way, for was the worst since the pandemic. London has gone down by more than

So if you're planning to.

Retire in the next couple of weeks, this might be difficult. If it's this year, it may be particularly difficult. It doesn't matter in say, twenty years time. But we keep being told how amazing and resilient and incredibly the American economy is a little bit like we keep being told here, So why is the recession talk taking place ross this report?

Right here?

The US Employment report was released Friday night, our time. So the US unemployment rate it jumped to four point three percent from four point one percent previously. The number of unemployed people in America jump by three hundred and fifty two thousand people to seven point two million. Now, this was way outside any of the estimates. It's spooped the markets big time.

Now this is a reminder about what is on the line in November why it matters to us here in Australia. The conversation about the horse race and the latest this and that may bore you, but the consequences of whom is in charge of the American economy matters to anyone who gets to watch this in the United States on YouTube. I have one question for you, who do you want

Bread costs more, the gas costs more, and we have to understand what that means. That's about the cost of living going up. That's about having to stress and stretch limited resources. That's about a source of stress for families that is not only economic, but is on a daily level, something that is a heavyweight to carry.

That person in charge of the American and thus global economy for the next four years. Well, the final bit of data I have for you is she is currently leading. She is currently winning. Harris is now favored to get the popular vote and to get the electoral College. Why because Pennsylvania is starting to move in her direction. If that's the case, good luck. It's going to be fun ride when it comes to the economy. Oh but Donald

Now. Of course, the world has changed a lot over the years.

It feels like it changes twenty years every two years. And it's a long time ago when people were gathered around the radio for the latest bit of information. I do like them deliberately. Not only did we pick the black and white photo, but we tried to find the oldest people possible sitting around a radio a long time ago. Anyway, that's from the National Museum. But of course, nowadays, plenty of people getting their information in lots of different ways,

Sorry back to the point, but of course.

We know that one of the biggest things that people are doing with their phones is interacting on some level with social media or with big tech companies. Now when it comes to Facebook, their parent company is Meta, and we know their attitude when it comes to Australia and paying for Australian news, they of course are planning to potentially block Australians from being able to have news on

Paul, this is old news. Why do you talk about it?

Because it doesn't matter what happens after they've blocked it. It's their power to do things in the moment. It doesn't matter who apologizes in two, three, four, six months or a year's time. But of course, if you are blocked about the information that you are able to see, then it may well end up influencing your perception of

But you get my point. Remember he told Joe Rogan.

That it was the FBI, the FBI who told him to do it. So of course if the FBI says it, it must be true. The intelligence agencies never get it wrong. We'll never try to get a political out come, do they. And then, of course the laptop was always true. Miranda

You get my point here, But.

Guess what was used in the criminal trial against Hunter Biden when it came to his applying for a gun license. Something eventually found was found guilty of the laptop. So we knew the laptop was real in twenty and twenty. We knew it in twenty one, they admitted it in twenty two, twenty three, they used it in evidence in twenty four. But again, the control of these mass platforms is playing out in this American election, and there is a connection to the Australian election. Again, two things can

Soft drink you have a coke.

Ninety four percent of people, ninety four percent of people when they go looking for something on the Internet will do it through Google first, which means the results that they send you are important. And we all have the assumption that just naturally information in comes information back eh algorithms finger on, the algorithm bias of the employees may well be effect and the information that is coming back to you. Again, there is a connection to the Australian

So let's get to Australia. Is this stuff happening here? The truth is that in.

The same way people blindly assume that Google is as trustworthy as the Dewey decimal cards used to look for in a library when you were at school, it ain't true.

Now.

Of course, It's an incredible tool with great information that will not at all be turned against me for pointing these things out. But there was an interesting conversation that a leading expert had with Alexantik, the Liberal Senator on his podcast. Dr Robert Epstein is his name and the behavioral psychologist. He says that he has quote no doubt that Google is manipulating Australia's elections by subtlely biasing search engines. He said in the podcast, Australia has no monitoring system,

Sitting around the radio anymore.

We are getting our information from lots of different places, in lots of different ways, and as we have seen, we have a federal government that still is committed to censoring the Internet.

For example, this.

Conversation right now, If a left wing fact check it turns around advites anyone of it to be misinformation or misleading or incorrect, then of course that is flagged.

That is flagged then.

By the Australian Communications and Media Authority, who are about to be given the power to find a social media company if they post an example this conversation happening right now, because if misinformation remains on the platforms, then the Australian federal government will find the social media companies until they

But what video goes to the top of search?

What story is the one that immediately comes up when you say Peter Dutton?

Is all of it is.

Controlled by the faceless machine, right, final one from this bloke. We know from very rigorous research that the go vote reminder alone in the United States on election day can easily send f one hundred and fifty thousand more votes on that day to one candidate than the other. That's going to happen in Australia too. Again, I don't know that's the case because compulsory voting, so they might be guilty of the lily there.

But this is the point.

In the same way that media literacy means that people are able to see a certain series of opinions or biases in newspaper, television, radio coverage, the same exists on the Internet. But the biases isn't from the author, it's from the person who is putting it up, from the person who is helping take you to the articles. But a government that is wanting to censor the Internet on top of whatever it might be happening behind the scenes is frightening. But of course Peter Dunn's the problem. This

Drink that in.

Will come up with a prettier version when we use the common sixty four to come up with one later. But have a look at that one interstrate rise under this previous government twelve under this one. Ah, but trust us, we know what we're doing when it comes to the economy. I mentioned this last night, but there's a chance you weren't watching on a Sunday night. You should always be here on a Sunday night.

But how's this.

The average Australian that is paying off a mortgage is having to find tens of thousands of dollars more than when Labour took over and twelve interestrate rises have taken place since now. Interest rate rises have sunk political parties in the past, but because of course, most of the bubble wants to protect the bubble and pretend that the government, who is one hundred percent responsible for the good economic news,

Age is how funny it came out on a Friday.

They show the average mortgages increased by fifty six thousand dollars, or as Channel nine put it, forty five percent of people's incomes are currently going on loans, so more of it than ever before, with less money coming through the door. This is why it will become a massive political problem.

And why people are going policeplicly. Please don't raise the rates.

But the Reserve Bank has a right to raise the interest rates because the inflation rate, which is supposed to between two and three, is now closer to four than it is to three, at three point eight percent last month on the monthly inflation figures. Sorry the month before in May that we got four percent, So inflation's starting to go back up. It could, of course, have nothing to do with the way the federal government is managing our finances. No, no, it's all global right, I know,

It's lower than ours two.

But amazingly even then, the people who would like to look the other way every now and then, if you go digging deep enough or they can't deny the reality that is the economy right now for people who are your average Australian. Even in the media that you pay for, whether you watch it or not, like the ABC it reported today, why headline inflation numbers are masking a confronting financial reality facing most households.

Let me explain it to you.

Here are simple, brutal numbers behind why people are hurting. In May twenty twenty two, the Reserve being started hiking rates one under the previous government, twelve under this government. In the nine quarters since then, the consumer price index has risen at an average of five point six percent, peaking at seven point eight percent. But while the price of things that you need to live is increased, your wages haven't. Prices have risen far faster than incomes, which

Cost of the loan that you took out. People struggle.

But of course don't expect a prime minister to understand that, because not only is he in the rarefied air of two free houses paid for by us, one in Sydney, one in Canberra, the lodgical Curabilly house. Remember he got a pay rise. He now ends more than six hundred thousand dollars it. By the way, there was the third

And of course, ultimately the Governor.

General who's above politics, isn't she, Well, she wouldn't understand either why. Firstly, she too has two free homes right next door to the Prime Minister's.

Home in Sydney that'll be convenient, and of course at Canberra where it's a much.

Nicer house than the Prime Minister's well, she of course got a two hundred thousand dollars pay rise and now gets paid seven hundred thousand dollars. So while you go backwards, and while the choke is tighter and tighter and tighter, and the home loan is fifty six thousand dollars higher than it was twelve months ago, let alone when they took power.

If tomorrow or later.

When the decision is made, the Reserve Bank does not raise interest rates. Ignore anyone who tells you relief for homeowners. There's no relief. You're still being choked within an inch of your financial life life. Collectively, the average Australian resembles the same color of deep purple of a rabina bottle in terms of how much pressure they are under right now. Yet this government, of course will turn around and use headline numbers and core inflation not reality for Australians.

They promised a better world. It didn't get better.

It got worse, demonstrably worse, a dozen times worse if you're trying to pay off a house. As for the Prime Minister's focus today in canber As you may will have heard, they have now raised the official terrorism rate from possible to probable.

This is the Prime Minister explaining.

Why Ajiao has decided to return Australia's national terrorism threat level from possible to probable. And it does not mean there is intelligence about an imminent threat or danger. But the advice that we've received is that more Australians are embracing a more diverse range of extreme ideologies and it is our responsibility to be vigilant.

The ASIO boss explained.

Why politically motivated violence encompasses terrorism, but is broader than that. It covers any violent act or any violent threat intended or likely to achieve a political objective. This includes violent protest right or an attack on a politician or our democratic institutions. This trend increased during COVID, gained further momentum after the terrorist attacks in Israel, and accelerated during Israel's military response.

A wide array of ideological issues. As for the Prime Minister, what is the difference between possible and probable?

This is the same threat level that was in place in Australia for more than eight years before it was lowered in November of twenty and twenty two. Since them, we've seen a globe will rise in politically motivated violence and extremism. Governments around the world are concerned about youth radicalization, online radicalization, and the rise of new mixed ideologies.

Mixed ideologies pull your Punch's prime in mister well, too little, too late, possible to probable now possible would have covered And I think which took place last week and is currently before the court saw I'm limited about what I can say here, but it involved Westfield Miranda in Sydney, where a man had allegedly planned a terrorist attack.

Then of course there's the.

Stuff that has happened, so it's not possible, it's not probable it happened, like the stabbing of the church in western Sydney where the priest ended up losing an eye. What do I have to say, allegedly lost to eight I don't know, but apparently the allegedlies have to be thrown in mere.

Well that happened.

Then of course there's the teenagers who were arrested after that happened, where the claim was I want to do g hard what a citting team accused of terror offenses was allegedly messaging.

So I love when they turn around and say, oh, possible probable.

What about this has happened, has happened this year? And yes, there's plenty of examples of the far right and the meeting on Australia Day, And I'm not going to pretend to gloss over all of that. We talk about it because it's the reality of the threat to Australians, But spare me possible and probable. It's happened, The radicalization is happening. The crazy stuff that bubbles up on the Internet that we end up being able.

To show you has happened.

Oh, but it's all still possible and probable, and it's mixed ideologies. Dave sharmannled it today when he was talking with Chris Kenny.

Of course, he of the.

Opposition, inflammatory provocative behaviors are becoming normalized. This is part of his warning about raising the threat level here in Australia. But he made that point that inflammatory, provocative behaviors are becoming normalized. Why are they becoming normalized? Why is that the case? Well, because they're being tolerated, because people aren't getting arrested, because people aren't being charged, because police are

And just a little side note speaking of the Prime Minister today, of course he was all trying to thump his chest about possible versus probable versus it's actually happened, sir, It is happening, sir. Well, you got a little cranky today when normally one of.

The loyal soldiers decided not to.

Play along in the fashion of which a loyal soldier must play along, someone from the Turmbul Times decided to ask question that he didn't want to talk about because it wasn't on the topic of what you wanted to talk about.

Have a look, are caps not a total man?

The government's preferred solution to get caps?

Can we can stick to this this stage it's a press conference.

Well that's fine, but I'll come back to your paul.

I have a better respect.

Thank you here in any particular gruson.

Good do not. You're not here to ask me questions.

We're here to play a little game where we pretend you ask me questions.

If you ask a question out of order, what's wrong with you? Sorry, sir.

As for another concern that is rolling around in the Turnbull times about whether or not this government is walking away from its promise around a truth and Reconciliation Commission otherwise known as a Macarata commission, one of they, of course, have already put into a budget for the past two years. The Prime Minister yesterday was slowly inching away after you know, sixty percent of the country said no to the voice.

Well, but that's not what we have proposed.

What we're proposed is Makarada just being the idea of coming together.

Ah.

But you see, the great Leader didn't really mean what he said, says the Minister, who apparently knows what he was really thinking as opposed to what he was really saying.

We are not moving away from our commitment to the Ularu statement from the heart. The interpretation of what the Prime Minister said has been taken completely further than what it was meant to.

She knows more than the Prime Minister, doesn't she How long has she been in the job for oh less than a week. Let's talk about what's happening in the UK. This is disgraceful, disgusting, it's not acceptable, it's not okay. It is not on There is no shadow language, there's no halfway housing on this stuff. The writing that is taking place in the UK is a disgrace. It is not acceptable. It is disgusting. The injuring of police not acceptable.

I utterly condemn the far right thuggery we've seen this weekend. Be in no doubt those that have participated in this violence will face the full force of the law. I guarantee you will regret taking part in this disorder, whether directly or those whipping up this action online.

Again, it's not about left wing right wing in terms of your politics.

It's not about whether you are Team Red, Team Blue, Team Reform, Team One Nation, Team Greens, whatever you happen to be between Australia and the United Kingdom. It's not acceptable, it's not okay, it's not tolerated. Two things are going to be true at the same time. You can have a whole bunch of thoughts and issues on a whole collection of other things. An absolute condemnation for the people who have decided to turn this violent.

Now.

Of course, the most recent version of this or started a couple of days ago, all in relation to a seventeen year old who had been charged with the stabbing murder of just.

Three little girls.

There was a memorial shortly after, and shortly after the memorial, well the nonsense began. And I say nonsense not in a polite kind way, but just as a different way of saying the same thing. People going after people because of their race or allegedly because of where they've come from. Prime Minister has had to make a second speech in and around all of this, suggesting that the people involved in all of this are not just thugs but also

This is not okay, It is not acceptable. It is not an on. There is no gray area, there is no middle area.

I look forward to talking about this because he's a bloke who of course has been twisted all of his words in a lot of different directions with Niga Farash will do that tomorrow night, make sure that you hear. And one last thing about the American situation. I'll make Kamala Harris now leading in the polls, the one who looks like she is on her pathway towards the presidency, powered by a whole series of memes, of course, not answering a single question, no press conference, no interviews, no

She's gone from cringe to cool.

Democrats were depressed, demoralized, and divided.

Tonight their new presidential candidate is giving them unity, energy, and most of all, hope.

Trump's opponent, Kamala Harris is having what could be called, even impartially a banner week.

The momentum for Kamala Harris is potent like nothing many of us have ever seen.

She's going to be amazing.

She's inflation. She knows what she told me. It's amazing. Well, remember when the left took the piss out of Kamala Harris, not in twenty nineteen, when of course she was running for president, Not in twenty twenty, when she of course didn't get any votes to become the candidate or the vice presidential nominee. Not in twenty one or twenty two or twenty three this year. In fact, just two months ago, the left was taking the proverbial out of Kamala Harris with her sort of.

California psychic routine, talking about.

The significance of the passage of time, right, the significance of the passage of time. So when you think about it, there is great significance to the passage of time.

You know, she was a little bit deep, she was a little bit you know, dream capture.

And it was the Daily Show who had assumed that this person who's going to go out with Biden and not to be the second coming of political.

Saviors. This is what they were joking about two months ago.

My name is Dahlia Rose Hibiscus and I am Vice President Kamala Harris's holistic thought advisor. What is a holistic thought advisor? It's holistic, yes, and I am advising.

And what do we mean when we say that.

It means that I am the one by whom the thoughts are being advised from a place of advisement, and then, once advised, communicated holistically.

Funny then funny, now true, then true now no matter what's been they want to put on it. We want to see your un Pulmurray live debate for the rest of the night. Looking forward to seeing you at any time. Send me name my Poults gottnews dot com dot I you how goods are not going to be? Sam Crosby and I already and I was inspiring during the break. We're ready to go, ready to fire up, sir, looking forward, Thank you, Loving to be here and lovely. Matt Canavan

Mate, mate, beautiful Brice Vegas Gold queens you're already miss.

Home gold medal winning.

Exactly mate, exactly what we do with that Queensland.

I do love a parochial story, and particularly the one same Queensland. If it was a country, would be doing better than others. And you know, a per capita, it's the second goal.

I love I love it. I love it all. Right, let's get to the series.

So the Prime Minister today follows Asia's advice, which says, we changed the threat level from possible to problem. Okay, I repeat what I said a couple of seconds ago, and I want to see what your response to it is, Sam, which is okay, when the priest was stabbed in Western Sydney and multiple people were arrested in and around terror planning, that's when this should have happened, right. Why because it

Why do you think.

Today, Sam, is the day that this all comes out? When, of course, remember it was October eighth last year when Where's the Jews was being screened out the front of the opera house.

Yeah, there's no doubt that this has been coming for a while. And if you watched Mike Burger's press conference, he was certainly saying it was coming from everywhere. Yes it was on the right, Yes it was on the left, Yes it was Israel, Palestine. It's coming from everywhere.

I mean.

The thing about what he was attributing it to for me was and you know, we're learning every day about the impact that COVID and the shutdowns had in a long run thing. But you know, he was saying a lot of this was happening to young men sitting at home in their bedroom, completely cut off from the world, completely cut off from social interaction, in getting radicalized, you know, groomed by these guys sitting in some cave, you know, common as away.

And to that point, remember who took the shot at Trump, young bloke in his twenties, right, who's the person accused of the bishop stabbing?

Of course again, young person.

Who are the people who are constantly being pulled up at the moment for planning young people and by the way, homegrown right born here.

Of our societies. Yet someone is getting to them.

And Matt, this is really important, right because again I know there's a really easy conversation here, which is, well, you.

Know, why not name what the ideology? Okay, let's just get to the reality today.

If they decided to change the traffic light, why wasn't it changed the day when where's the Jews is being screamed out? Or why wasn't it done on the day where the bishop loses his eye, Or why wasn't it done on the day where the hate preachers are ripping around?

Why is it today?

Look, I don't know, Paul, and I'm not necessarily sure there is a conspiracy about the timing, because whatever the timing, it's greatly embarrassing for or the Albanesi government and their approach on these issues in recent time. Maybe there was a delay in it because it was embarrassing they just couldn't delay it any longer.

But I don't know. I don't know. I think the bigger.

Material issue here is that for the past year the Albanesi government has been obsessed and distracted with this issue of so called far right extremism, clearly for their own base political purposes.

They're pushing that agenda.

They're actually having a full on Senate inquiry at the moment into far right extremism. They've kind of put that under the doner at the moment. They're not publicizing that much but they announced late last year a full on Senate inquiry a far right extremism. We at the time, the coalition at the time tried to expand the terms of reference for that inquiry to include all types of extremism, including of course Islamic extremism, and the government used their

The threat level has been raised.

It's clearly that threat level is at least in part, probably mostly in part because of extremism flying out of the conflict in the Middle East, the issues of radical Islam, and the government has been completely distracted and missed the ball on this one.

Well and again right now we'll say the UK conversation for a little bit later and with specificity with nigenal morror. But again, if the concept is that one thing triggers another thing, which is potential here right about sort of, none of that is acceptable right the initial yet and the violent response is not acceptable either. So we'll wait and watching the next of the while. But Sam, you were giggling at my suggestion that perhaps Google may will fiddle with things when it comes to a leg.

I was laughing out loud.

I was laughing at it.

I don't think there's any form in the past. There's no form in the past, including last week about the censoring of the image of Donald Trump being after being shot. That there's no proof around Hunter Biden laptop, that there is no proof around the people who.

Work for Google has to put out incredibly clear directives if they're going to do, you know, any intervention in their search search engine algorithm. Coming onto this show, Coming onto this show, I did three searches on Bing and I did three searches on Google. Got the same things on very political matters.

Kamala Harris, is you're some Microsoft your what about duck duck go?

What did that come up?

You're different between Seattle and Silicon Valley.

Your earlier point, Paul about the Google giving x number more eight times more notifications to Democrat It wasn't My point was carrying the sure But does age not get not come into that? Did they exclude age in that? I mean, obviously you would be encouraging young people to go and register to vote more than you would old people. And therefore, yes, Republican voters are older than Democratic voters.

You explained the Donald Trump searches. Have you seen those? I mean.

Donald Trump. I mean it's been well publicized. You might have missed it. It might have missed it, but we switched for Donald Trump. When you search for Donald Trump, it wouldn't it on Google. On Google Search, if you search for Donald Trump, it wouldn't bring up his name in auto correct, bring up Donald Duck and not Donald Trump. And then in fact, if you did finally get to search for him, it'd bring up news about Carmela Harris and about how great Harris.

I'm sorry, God.

Down the I'm going to partly agree with you.

I'm going to partly agree with you that I'm not so sure there's that much being done to Australian politics where I think we might be over inflating our own egos here. And I don't know if the big tech bros of Silicon Value that focused on Anthony Albernezi right now. There's no doubt this happens in the US itself. There's many, many examples of it. In saying that that the there

The federal government is introducing the system which will eventually and I think.

Gets banned absolutely wrong.

It has defined but check Paul.

I'm against that, but at least that's a sovereign and elected government here. I'm completely against a foreign, foreign based multimedia companies, massive media companies now having any control or censorship over Australian political discussion. And I'm not saying it's central to our political debate. I think it's impacting election results, but it is having some impact at the margins, and

And again, Sam, what I did not say, are you suggesting? But I make it very clear for the person who's job is the ABC to transcribe everything I've just been saying, do not suggest about the outcome of elections.

I did not.

It's just about the concept of this is a source of information and do you trust it in the way that people have come to trust it because it is the go to right, I'm not entirely convinced I'm asking a question, but God forbid, all right, I look forward to the fact checking of the fact check conversation because we know what rabbit hole that is quick break back with more round two next after Sam won? That's so easily, didn't he I want to sec your inport of life.

Oh, look, mate, I haven't changed what I thought last week. And there's a lot of noise, a lot of white noise are out in it right now, and people can react on a daily basis to that. But the fundamentals of this race haven't changed. It's going to be decided in those rust belt states. And as I said last week, I don't think Carmla Harris, a very left wing senator from San Francisco, is going to resonate very well in those states. There's so much material it will eventually hit.

But also, you know, Sam, it feels like again that when you get too deep into the reeds or too counting the number of grains of sand on the beach. That's where we all are right trying to look for what might happen. Of course, we don't know what next week, next month. I mean, literally where we were a month ago compared to where we'll be in a month two months time. But what's your sense. Are you surprised that

Look, I'm absolutely surprised it's gone this far this quickly. To Matt's point about the amount of money they're spending, now, he's absolutely right, this is unprecedented, but so is dropping in a candidate at this stage with no primary. So she is as yet undefined in the American mind. I know everyone here and probably everyone watching has a very clear view of her. And as shocking as it is to say, I dare say the vast majority of Americans would be unable to name who the vice president is.

So that's why they're trying to keep it in the vibe.

Yeah, and exactly, if you keep it in that vibe, you're all good. I think in the next day or so, she's going to name a vice presidential candidate. That's going to be an important moment for the campaign. Again, my money's on the senator from Arizona, although I think Joshapira would be really cool. The other one that's getting a really strange amount of traction considering that Minnesota is not

Well, it's this thing.

Look, he's good on Telly, and he's sort of good in the supposedly sort of being able to speak Republican and flip some people. But we'll all see last one here a couple of seconds each on it. Matt the debate about debates, I don't think Trump needs one anymore.

Well, they're always my favorite debates.

I love those ones where you get just average questions from average Joe's and I think it reveals a lot about the candidates. So Trump's a very good people person too. I mean, you even saw it that the black journalist thing. I mean, he still had people laughing and agreeing with him. He's the best committee in the world right now.

Yeah, he's got a debater. He can't not debate, you know, if nothing else. His ego is going to You're probably right in terms of should he or shouldn't he, But he's going to have to.

Don't you just turn around and you say the debate should be I'm not doing the journal thing.

We can do it with normal voters.

I think that's the closest he'll get to one if there's going to be.

Yeah, maybe, but his ego is not going to let him stay out of it.

All right, Thank you for being ego lists at all times, gentlemen. Appreciate it. Love you both.

We'll see you again tomorrow night, when Nigel Fragi will join us from.

The United Kingdom. He comes to the late debate