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Paul Murray Live | 30 June

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NSW residents brace for ‘bomb cyclone’, ‘war over words over GST carve-up’, Prime Minister dancing around meeting with Trump. Plus, US versus China: who will Albo choose?

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Speaker 1

The Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live.

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Hello mate, wherever you're happy to be. Thank you so much for watching us this Monday night. Thank you to everyone who joined us in Newcastle. We had a lot of fun. You saw it on the Telecontinue your offer, it.

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Was as well.

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We're going to be in Mount Gambia for our next our town and wherever you happen to be tonight, you are right where you need to be because I've got one heck of a show for you, including what a surprise that old mate Albow.

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Is a little different with the Chinese than he is with the Americans. There's a reason for that. We'll get to it in a second.

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Two blokes that agree on nothing but for your viewing pleasure, they get to fight on TV.

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Nicholas Reese is the Lord Mirror of Melbourne.

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Mattcanavan, the free thinker from Queensland, and big news around ac DC. They're coming to Australia and Australia is loving the chance to be able to see the legendary rock band. But first breaking news. It's winter and in winter it's cold, and it doesn't matter if you've currently got your toe just sticking out of a blanket in broad beach or weather. Of course, you're in the middle of country New South Wales and a place like bag you are noticing, surprise, surprise.

These months are always cold because it is winter. But but, but, my friends, there is a big little weather event, big little big weather event which is going to be taking place in the next few days and the media is loving what this one is cold. Now, remember it's winter, it's cold.

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It's not great.

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But get ready for a bomb cyclone whatever that.

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Is sounding the alarm over a dangerous weather system being called a bomb cyclone.

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A bomb cyclone is said to hit parts of New South Wales.

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This has been labeled a bomb cyclone.

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We're being worn tonight of a dangerous weather system called a bomb cyclone.

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This is the official terminology, not that the mediaHo has made up, but the one.

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Used by the bureau, which is why you are.

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Hearing it here on sky News, both in our news on the website and of course on Sky News Weather.

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This thing looks like it is going to have.

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An awful lot of wind in the next couple of days, a lot of rain in the next few days. Now, obviously a little further north, a little further south than where it is hitting is going to be slightly affected. But essentially the news of world's coast between they're talking about Cough's Harbor in the north all the way down to the south coast is where the problems are going to be. Full coverage on our weather channel tomorrow from midday. If you're living it, you know what it's going to

be like. If you happy to be anywhere else in the country, make sure you're checking it out from midday tomorrow. The preparations are serious and again I'm happy for people to be over warned and things don't turn up as bad as they seem, rather than people being unprepared.

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But this is the stuff the sees is saying tonight.

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As we always say, it's really critical that you clean your gutters, that you move items that are loose that can be blown around, such as trampolines and outdoor furniture, tie them down or move them to secure location. Can you also please move any vehicles that you have away from any large trees.

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Alison Osborne is one of the great brains behind these Sky News weather offering, which you can see twenty four to seven on Foxdelle on Flash and through the sky News app. Remember, for just five bucks a month you can subscribe to that service. It's a great way of making sure that we will always be contactable. It's also a great way of staying in touch if you're outside of the areas where you would normally watch it, particularly on things like free to wear in regional Australia. So

subscribe now to sky news dot com dot au. Allison recorded this for us just a couple of minutes ago about what to expect in the next few days.

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Thanks Paul.

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We are watching for the potential of a very dangerous weather event over the New South Wales coast on Tuesday, and this is due to an East Coast low Now, the low pressure system itself just formed off the Northern Rivers shortly afternoon and we can see a corresponding darkening of the radar echoes there, so some heavier rain throughout the day light of falls pulling southwards towards the Sydney

area by nightfall. Now this system is being termed a bomb cycloe because of its potential to rapidly intensify during the day tomorrow.

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It's not a made up term.

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It's when a mid latitude low rapidly strengthens. The center pressure drops by more than twenty four hector pascals in twenty four hours, and this results in widespread at dangerous weather. Now, the four cars shows adjust that the system pulls southwards and intensifies. This phenomenon is also called explosive cyclogenesis, bomber genesis or bombing, so it is quite a dangerous weather event.

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Now.

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In response to that.

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Center pressure dropping, the winds rushing in a clockwise direction to fill this void, and this is leading to intense rainfall rates. They're likely to ramp up over the mid North Coast tonight pull over the Hunter by the morning. For Sydney siders and those who live in the Illawarra, you're likely to feel that heavy rain ramp up during the afternoon and evening now damage you. Winds are a key threat here. They're likely to intensify as the system

itself strengthens. We can see that very strong wind pushing in over the Hunter during the morning, then likely intensify over Sydney and surrounding areas of the New South Wales coast during Tuesday night and then throughout Wednesday. Winds are likely to be strong enough to bring down tree branches cause property damage and make for very dangerous driving conditions as well as triggering power outages.

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And it's for this entire coastal.

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Fringe south of about Coffs Harbor, but it also includes the New South Wales Northern Ranges and into southern Queensland. Now coastal hazard warnings are also in place warning of waves likely to cause coastal erosion. We can see it seas and swells likely to top four to five meters over that coastal fringe over the course of Tuesday.

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Night and into Wednesday.

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Now the system is likely to then pull southwards during Tuesday night, dragging the heavy rain with it, pulling at southwards all the way through to Victoria's Gippsland region. Looking at four chat our rainfall totals in these areas likely to exceed one hundred millimeters, including through Sydney. Heaviest area is likely to be the Ilaora, reaching two hundred milimeters. We'll have the latest on the details with this system on skine is whether channel six so one throughout the day on Tuesday.

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Good one, Allison, thank you very much. Yes, so part of this and we all knew this right that if it goes down by twenty four Hector pascals within twenty four hours, then that's the beginning of what is going to be this bomb site clone.

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Again.

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Make sure that you keep your homepage as sky On News dot com dot au if you can get out there earlier in the day, settle things up, make sure that you again have as many things in.

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Safety as possible. Strap down if needed.

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Why because you don't want to be dealing with the consequences again. Our thoughts with people in areas like Tare, which you've been thumped about before, places like Liz Moore, which you've heard this too many times. They thankfully made it through the tropical extropical cyclone Alfred. May they do so again with what is going to be happening in the next couple of days.

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Either way, will be all the way across it the next couple of days.

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Now you know how excited I was when the President of the United States decided to take global diplomacy right into the shallow end and started dropping f bombs. And I personally as a intergalactic swearer, and I know some people don't like it, but still as an intergalactic swearer, I didn't mind that the leader of the free world was throwing around some swearing last week.

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We basically have two countries that have been fighting so long and so hard that they.

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Don't know what the fuck they're doing.

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Well, who knew that the first Australian politician, the first cab off the rank to join the ranks of the Trump sweary people, is the OsO woke Premier and dear leader of Victoria just into Alan.

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Now. She decided to throw around a.

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Little bit of swear today because, as you know, when the Labor.

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Party thought that they were going to go very.

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Close to losing the federal election, they thought one of the ways that would happen would because Victoria was going to whack them about pretty hard. Didn't end up happening, But that didn't mean that they didn't get a special boost to their GST fundings where the state randomly, out of nowhere, without seemingly asking for it, ended up with billions of dollars extra why because they wanted to pad up for the federal election. Now, of course there's only

so much money in the GST pool. So where did it come from? Well, places like Queensland, where they talk about two and a half billion dollars out and why because their assumption was that this would all be it up in an LNP territory, even though it ended up being quite good for the Labor Party. They just thought, I, oh'll move money from Queensland. Who cares, that's a liberal government.

Let's prop up our mates in the Labor Party. Well, in response, the Queensland Treasurer has pretty easily called it out. When you have had two and a half billion dollars taken away from what you can spend in in Queensland to be spent in Victoria, you say things like this.

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I think any fair minded person would look at the numbers and see the growth in GST and other jurisdictions over the last decade and see that Queensland has fallen behind. We have been panealized because of our investment in those industries like gas that other jurisdictions will not invest in. I don't think we should be penalized for that.

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Well, so how did justinter Allen? Who could be wokier than woke. She'd be just as happy in the Greens as she is in the left wing of the Labor Party, all the same thing in a place like Victoria.

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Well, she decided to go full Trump in response.

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Let me put it in language and in a way that the Queensland Treasurer can understand.

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It's just pulled right.

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Oh goodness for me.

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Now again, I don't mind this every now and then. But do you like the patronizing tone you could see while I was rolling through in her head? Was she going to say Queenslanders because you know, Queenslanders aren't the same as Victorians.

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I don't know. We're quickly changes to the Queensland.

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Treasurer because of course he's and war on because he's not from the same political party as the Labor Party. But I suggest that, unlike Donald Trump, who seemingly decided to swear because he was genuinely that frustrated with the situation that he was trying to deal with, this little be bomb is a distraction from other stories you see

today in Victoria. We learned by the Australian Financial Review that Victoria's debt is amongst the worst in the world when you start to compare the size of the economy, populations, all the rest of it. And then, of course there was the screaming from the Herald Sun today, And I say screaming because it's.

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A big story. Victoria is going to get their own version of the Voice.

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Despite the fact that the good people of Victoria, when given a chance to introduce a voice into the federal Constitution, voted against it. Even woke Victoria fifty four to forty five said no, But they're going ahead and they're going to do it anyway. Why because you know they know

better than the people of Victoria. So given that there was this analysis that they're debt is some of the worst in the world, or the government is going to do exactly the opposite of what the people voted for in a referendum.

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What do you reckon? Was the lead story tonight in Melbourne.

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The Premier has angrily dismissed claims Victoria is being financially propped up by other states.

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Queensland has gone on the attack, arguing it's fed up with being penalized for poor decisions made down south.

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Seriously, now, I always, as a great observer of news universe is a kid desperately wanting to be involved in it one day and being a young bloke, and now what I am being able to have seen this and seen this sausage made over so many years I don't understand why that many people have put these things together. Think that people are so stupid. Clearly, clearly, the bigger issue in Victoria is how long the debt is going to have to be paid off.

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Clearly clearly the.

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Bigger issue in terms of a government going exactly the opposite of the way the people vote, is an issue in and around democracy. Oh no, no, no state versus state. It's really easy for everyone to understand. So perhaps when the Premiere was dumbing things down for the Treasurer of Queensland, perhaps she was doing so for the media who would otherwise have to report on those really boring issues like the debt or the state government doing exactly the opposite

of what the people wanted. Which brings us to what feel like moments in Australian society that it doesn't matter how many people like or dislike something, in this case dislike something, the machine just rolls on anyway.

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For example, how.

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Many poles, how many years, how many governments have told us the same thing. Australians believe too many people are coming into the country.

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Not because they dislike the people who are coming into the country or the countries from which they are coming. But because if you've got a rental queue that goes around the block, adding a few hundred thousand people to the rental queue is going to make it harder for somebody to find a place to rent. Adding more people to the auction is going to make it harder for your kids and your grandkids to be able to buy

a house. But still Big Australia keeps marching on. Of course, tax Australians well and truly believe they are paying too much tax. And when you have a look, as we told you last night, now a million.

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A million public servants.

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Now we're not talking about nurses and teachers here, I'm talking about a million public servants. Do you feel fantastic that what it's going to be about Wednesday lunchtime is when you start working for yourself as opposed to working for the government. Well, another example seems to be welcome

to country. Now, I honestly believe most people don't have a problem with welcome to country at significant events, in the same way that we don't sing the national anthem every time you're on a zoom call, in the same way that, again we don't thank the troops for their service at the start of every football game.

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People seem to believe that.

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There is a time and a place a should it exist at all or should it be in everything position? But again it doesn't matter how many polls keep coming. You know you have to very polite every single time. And if you don't, if you do not, as I say, often kiss the ring and not just kiss it, you must kiss it lovingly, then you are of course going to lose some social credit, which of course is the way the Chinese run their system, but you don't talk about that.

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Australians.

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According to a new Polsekynese dot com dot au pushback on welcome to Country ceremonies a pole from the Institute of Public Affairs and this one is interesting to read and see here whereas you can see, fifty six percent of people say that Welcome to Country has now become divisive. Forty nine percent of people say that work country should not be performed at sporting events at all, and Welcome

to Country should not be performed on ends day. Forty six percent of people say yes to that proposition that it shouldn't be.

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They're twenty thirty.

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Four percent a year it should be and twenty percent still make up their mind. But isn't it interesting, you know, when there's an opinion poll that says we should legalize the more drug right, that's always used as a reason why we have to do something. Or of course if they like something, they turn around and say, well, this country's doing it, so why don't we Yet for some reason, it doesn't matter how many times you're asked, it doesn't

matter how many people have their opinion. You will love it, and if you don't love it, you're a bad person. And a bad person is even worse than being a bad Australian, because being an Australian, well that's already bad to begin.

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With, isn't it.

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According to some of these people, which brings me to this, it's talk about the Prime Minister and his loving of certain world leaders if they're willing to talk to him. Remember, he was part of the B team, the reserve team, the bench of global leaders at the G seven day, of course, every country outside of the seven and allowed to even dine with the Seven that of course included, among others, the United States, And there was great fanfare and great hope that Albi would end.

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Up finally having his meeting, finally having his.

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Meeting with Donald Trump, because of course he's done four fifths bugger all to actually physically sit face to face with him from the day he won the election in November to January when he gets sworn in, and we are now on our way towards July and no face to face. Well, apparently the next time that might be an opportunity. Four a meeting with the President of the

United States may well end up being a quad meeting. Now, this is going to be really full on if we can't get some FaceTime because there's only four countries involved in the cord and if we can't get face to face in a four way meeting, then.

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We're in a world of trouble. So most likely, yeah, that's where it's going to be.

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But I just want everyone to remember here, while the majority of Australians don't like Donald Trump, the Australian Prime Minister has not met face to face with the new Prime minister November, December, January, February, March, April, May, June,

and we keep going past July. When asked about it, of course, the greatest Prime minister of all time, well doesn't care why, because it's good for him politically to have problems with Donald Trump, despite the fact that when give a choice between America leading the world or China leading the world, all good and decent human beings know

America should be at the head of the table, not China. Yeah, I said, it is your preference to have a face to face Oval office meeting with the President rather than waiting for the quad for instance.

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I think where the meeting takes place is less important than what comes out of the meeting.

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Frankly, and I know there is a.

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Focus on this laser like focus on this.

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Yeah, laser like, Oh, laser like, this is a pretty bad laser. We have not been able to hit the target. Now again, we know the Australian media is obsessed with this meeting because they want it to fail, because they want to judge the body language of Orange Man bad, because they want our prime minister to be like other prime ministers who seemingly have benefited from being on the opposite side of issues when it comes to Donald Trump.

On all of this, We'll have a chat to Laura Jays in the United States in a moment or two's time about this before we get into our debate tonight between Nicholas Reese and with Mcanavan. But the reason this meeting has to take place is because, yes, it was America's decision to introduce a ten percent global tariff on every country, including Australia that will affect things like our

steel and the importation of our steel to the United States. Well, ABC News America is saying there was a ninety day pause and there probably won't be another ninety day pause, meaning the tariffs could kick in as early as.

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Ten days time from now.

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So thirty days have June, April and November right then July July, ten days from now. When will Australia get face to face with the President of the United States.

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Well, certainly not in the next ten days, but don't worry about it. Meantime.

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Amazingly, amazingly, the Chinese have had a little bit to say. And remember that Anthony Aberneze has been very open about no country gets to tell us what to do, unless, of course, China.

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Don't say that, don't say that. Well, the Chinese ambassador wrote an opinion piece in the Australian newspaper today and this just gaslighting, gaslighting.

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Remember this is the bloke who had twelve different conditions for Australia. Australia with the bad guys because we wanted some answers about a global pandemic. But then, of course everything's great with Elbow, because of course he doesn't rock the boat, never says anything bad about the Chinese in exchange.

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Jeez.

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Magically, people that have never voted labor in their life have voted labor in the past two elections. Now I'm going to see here shush by playing up international and region tensions and slandering China's normal military build up. They are making fake islands. They are going around Australia, circumnavigating with naval ships. They are doing live fire exercises between here and New Zealand. I don't know, but it's us making it up. These countries are merely seeking nothing but

excuses to drastically grow their military spending. He's talking about America and NATO, even arbitrarily reaching beyond its geographical scope and mandate.

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NATO countries already.

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Accounts for fifty five percent of the world's total military spending in twenty twenty four.

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So what.

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So what?

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It's not just about the military threat, what about the intelligence threat? What about the fact that China has that International Space station that is not connected to the International Space Station. Okay, I know there's a lot of people making a lot of money out of a relationship business relationships between Australia and China. I know that the government wants a better relationship with China because it helps them electorally.

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Here, but I'm sorry if there is a.

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Choice between getting closer to America or closer to China. While it may be financially difficult for some, we must remain closer to the United States, regardless of whether it's dope be Joe Biden or Orange Man bad that is the president of the United States. Can I continue here again? This in the Australian newspaper today. Behind the so called China threat lies a certain countries desire to maintain their Hedgeimney again code. The US should not be the leader of the world. It should be them.

Speaker 1

They are trapped in their own inertia. Fair, I'm not reading the rest of it. It's crap.

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Well, let's see how the Prime Minister responds here. Remember how many times he said this when the Americans were telling us about our defense spending.

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My job is to look after Australia's national interest that includes our defense and security interests. And that's precisely what we are doing.

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Approach here and is very clear, which is we will ensure that Australia has the capability that we need. Australia should decide what we spend on Australia's defense, simple as that.

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So how did the handsome boy do today? What did the hands The Chinese ambassador speaks for China.

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My job is to speak for Australia and it's in Australia's national interest for us to invest in our capability and to invest in our relationships.

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And we're doing just that.

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Pass pass but only just. But again, priorities, the priorities of this Prime Minister when he came to office was to sort things out with China as fast as possible. Why because there was the economic consequences that came back, heinks, why there was a whole series of meetings and eventually the face to face no such urgency that we can publicly see about trying to get to meet with Donald Trump now again when I hope they get together, and I hope they get together, I hope the meeting goes well.

I hope everyone's happy, and I hope that the government gets the best result for Australia. I am not cheering against Australia in this scenario. I'm just say I'm good A Blowers walking both sides of the street. This is each way albow either at his diplomatic finness or more likely knowing that the financial eggs are in one basket, the security eggs are in another.

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And anyone who knows.

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When you've got both sides of a barbei offence, it eventually hurts. Now a couple of other things worth talking about here before we talk to our dear friend Laura Jays in the United States about that and a whole lot more in a moment. Are you somebody who is starting to use your mobile phone for health advice? Please don't, please don't.

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Now.

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I know for a generation we've had doctor Google where people are double checking my symptoms are this, and surprise, surprise, that always comes back You've got about two weeks to live. But there are people that are using AI now to basically type in a whole bunch of symptoms to tell them what is wrong with them.

Speaker 1

Here's the deal. All of these things are good for general information but the specific information about you is between you and your doctor. Your regular doctor, not the one that will just quickly give you.

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A medical certificate to say you can have another day off work, not the one that will quickly via an app send back the prescription that there's no controversy about. If you've got questions about your health, see your local GP.

Speaker 1

Okay, But can I build on this?

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Here where some information about Australian who are getting the wrong information from the most trusted and important family member their mobile phone. People have been warned about trusting doctor Google for years, but AI is opening up a disturbing

new world of dangerous health misinformation. A new, first of its kind global study led by researchers at the University of South Australia, Flinder's University, Harvard Medical School, That's Fancy Diversity College in London, and the Warsaw University of Technology has revealed how easily chatbots can be and are programmed

to deliver false medical and health information. Meantime, I don't have much more information than the headline, but there is some pretty good work being done in and around Alzheimer's, particularly with some medication. More Australian researchers that are involved with that. Today, when we know more, I will gladly tell you so in.

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A moment or two's time. A couple of other.

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Things quickly to mention here too, which is the mushroom trial. Well, now the jury is off towards formal deliberations. Now anyone who knows the jury process knows there's not just the twelve people that sit in the jury box, but there are two alternates. Because no one was booted off the jury,

there was no need for the alternatives. So today decision was made amongst those fourteen fourteen names and the hat because you've sat and you've watched everything, and they have all then they picked twelve and two sat through the whole trial, but have no further role to play.

Speaker 1

Slightly trading.

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But one of the things that was said to the jury today in its instructions from the bench was that you can't be fifty to fifty on this. You've got to all be in one place to find the accused guilty.

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The decision it needs to be unanimous, So all twelve jury members need to decide on the same verdict, and if they don't, that means the trial could end in a hung jury.

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Now.

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Of what we do because we need you for the fight all day, every day. Quick break back with more Laura in the United States and then off to our debate in a moment or two is time. Thanks for watching this Monday night. It's a big ACDC news next as well. Oh how good are they? How good are they? ACDC? And as you know, they are coming back to Australia. Maide Nicholas Reese is going to go out of his way to celebrate them in Melbourne. I'll have a chat about that in the second or two is time.

Speaker 1

But how good is this?

Speaker 2

Acdc's Power Up Tour has set new concert box office records in its first few days.

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Fans who made it out of the lounge to the.

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Checkout snapped up houses three hundred and twenty thousand tickets and they did it all in less than a day. They'll be here in November and December. They are at the Melbourne crioekt Ground on November twelve, November twenty one at a Core Stadium. See again, there's a little gap between shows once you hit a certain age you're allowed to do so they've got family to.

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Drop in on of course as well.

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Now the one I'm going to be going to is going to be November thirty because they are part of the Supercar's Grand Final.

Speaker 1

How cool is that?

Speaker 2

Supercars during the day, so you can see the broom brooms, you'll see the title, you'll see ac DC.

Speaker 1

Pretty amazing, right.

Speaker 2

They're also going to make their way opt A Stadium in Perth, sun Corps Stadium in Brisbane in December is where they are going to be.

Speaker 1

Now, a person.

Speaker 2

Who loves a concert, I don't know if she's ever been to an ac DC concert. I hope she's going to the Chris Stapleton concert, which I just checked is in Greenville, South Carolina this weekend. Is none other than the wonderful Laura Jays, our newsday host who is in the United States covering things for us. You off to Chris Stapleton because now I've mentioned her on TV. It's probably a tax ride off.

Speaker 6

I wish Paullie. I wish Paulie. I wish I went twice in Sydney. I've heard all my favorite songs. That's still not enough for me, but I have to get my fil with ACDC. I'll be home by the weekend. I'm hosting our Economic forum on Saturday, so of course you know I'm flying private home, so I'll be fine.

Speaker 2

Please, Yeah, got a little PJ. That's fine, all right, So bing bang boom. Let's talk about now. Of course, Washington, d C. I mean literally from Shelley's back room, great Cigaba, all the way, every bar is just talking about Kevin Rudd, the Australian ambassador, and whether we will or won't get a meeting re is. We talk about this a lot more than I think even the people whose job it

is to organize it in Washington talk about it. But Laura, those tariffs matter because the ten percent on every country it was held off for ninety days. That ninety days runs out in ten days from now.

Speaker 6

Yep, yeah, that's right. And Donald Trump has said, yes, say in a Fox News interview that it doesn't really matter. He doesn't worry about the timeline or the deadline. He's just going to send letters to countries that he hasn't

negotiated with. So the world is in limbo. Australia in all of that we're being treated like a third ty ally at the moment, he's done two deals or one half deal with China, one deal with the UK, and he's thrown a tantrum with Canada and won't deal with them at all for the next eight weeks because of this digital services tax. But we are not going to get a deal. We're not even get any fat any FaceTime. I mean, for example, Penny Wong's here at today. Don

Farrell's on holidays for the next two weeks. So look, it doesn't always come down to the train minister. But that's just not going to happen, Paul. So when Anthony Abernezi stands up every day and says, oh no, we'll continue to negotiate, We'll continue to plead our case, they're not even getting a hearing here. You know how Washington works. There's a lot of respect for Kevin Rudd when it comes to his views on China, but there's a bit of form when it comes to his conduct in the

Biden administration. But also under Trump, they just simply don't like him. I had a great polster on yesterday. He's on three of Trump's campaigns. He knows what he's talking about he's plugged in here in Washington, and during a live interview I said, he said, you know, the Australians need to find an Australian that Trump likes. I said, oh, is it personal, Like doesn't Trump like Anthony Abnezi or digit does he just not know him? He said, no,

I'm talking about your ambassador. I think he's the problem. So that is the view that he put forward on am agenda this morning. And you know it's not everything, but that's got to be some of the issue there, right.

Speaker 1

Well, this is it is what it is, right. It's not like he doesn't know about Australia.

Speaker 2

We have a state visit, right, It's not like he's not aware of Australia. He's had briefings about things like workers. So something is in the way here.

Speaker 1

Now.

Speaker 2

Again, I don't just because Trump is a pressI and it doesn't mean that every single part of our representation has to go full maga. But when we have been as anti as we have been, that that's going to be some trouble. Two other quick things before I let you go here, which is I wanted to talk about

the Supreme Court because it made major decisions, particularly that now. Mean, you know, if you're a Democrat and you go off to the most anti Trump judge in California, it can't stop Trump from doing what he wants to do across the country.

Speaker 6

No, that's right. He has had some major wins this week. And that win, in particular in the Supreme Court comes down to making executive orders and whether the federal court can challenge those executive orders, and then you know, you get caught up in this law fare for years and years and years. Now. There's a lot of Trump supporters that point out that he's always been challenged by the federal court. But no president in history has made so

many executive orders either. I mean Obama did, but Trump, in terms of volume, is making a lot more. This particularly, he has had a win when it comes to birthright citizenship. If you have a baby here in the US, you automatically get citizenship. Now, Trump said that was meant for the babies of slaves, not meant for undocumented migrants and those on temporary visas. So it's something he takes really seriously. It doesn't mean that that is now completely changed, but

it does mean he's had a big win. But I've got to say Paul. I know from not just under Trump, but under every present they take that birthright citizenship very seriously. Remember when I came to cover the Trump inauguration in twenty twenty, I was six months pregnant. I'm a little larger than any normal pregnant woman. But they thought I was trying to have an anchor baby. So they kept

me in immigration detention for four hours questioning me. So that was from first hand experience something that they and they flat out asked me, Are you trying to mammy? Are you trying to have an anchor baby?

Speaker 4

No?

Speaker 3

I was not.

Speaker 6

I wanted to get home.

Speaker 2

No, Billy's all Australian. All Australian, all right, and we love his mum. Right, A quick one before we go. So, the Democratic socialist who is probably going to end up as a New York mayor, he's been on Telly and frankly he is presenting himself as sort of next generation star. And I've said this for years, Right, the response to economic populism of Trump will be something like democratic socialism. And this blog knows how to talk on television, right,

agree or disagree. Have a look at what he had to say.

Speaker 6

Do you think that billionaires have a rate to exist.

Speaker 7

I don't think that we should have billionaires because frankly, it is so much money in a moment of such inequality. And ultimately what we need more of is equality across our city and across our state and across our country. And I look forward to with everyone, including billionaires, to make a city that is fairer for all of them.

Speaker 1

These blogs slick LJ. He's slick.

Speaker 6

He certainly is. And you know what he is, the TikTok candidate. He went to TikTok Instagram and had just got all of these young democrats and he's kind of thrown the whole campaigning issue on its handmade Chris Cuomo was out spending him by tens of millions of dollars in TV ads, but he flew under the radar. He is a socialist, unashamedly a socialist. And he's talking about government own grocery stores. He's talking about an extra two percent tax on very high income earners. It is flat

out socialism. He doesn't even deny that. But it's extraordinary, not just that you could see the rise of somewlight like this in New York, America's biggest city where all the billionaires live, not all of them, but most of them that he could actually get to the point where he is a red hot candidate. Looks mixed views of whether he actually could win this thing, but he won

the primary, so he's their front and center. He cuts through like nothing I've ever seen, because usually when you run campaigns like these, Paul, it's like whoever pre selects you? The Democrats look at you, go what's your ability to raise money? The reason that they want to raise so much money is to spend tens of million dollars on

at TV advertising. He doesn't need to do that. He's been pre selected, just with TikTok and his videos are kind of weird, but they cut through and it speaks to a younger generation like a lot of people don't know.

Speaker 2

How very much, so well, you know how to talk to this generation and this bloke in particular, which is why we love you all the best. Laura, will see you in the morning. We'll see you back on the weekend. Al right, have you see I love it too, Dylan. Laura Jay is there, of course doing it for us here in Washington, DC. Wonderful place where she's standing. It's on top of the Fox News building, where of course

we've done many a great broadcast over the years. Should be back about the same time at twelve hours from now here on Sky News Quick Break Back with More, and the debate begins between Senator Matt Cannon and Nicholas Rees. Single most patient man in the history of Poor Marie Live guests would have to be Matt Canavan. He was sitting, He was ready at nine oh one. Nicholas Rees, on the other hand, has an entire city to run, so

council meetings went late. So here we are Nicholas Rees, Matt Cannavan and Matt got dressed up and isn't it. It's not like he was in his.

Speaker 1

Own Lund room.

Speaker 2

He's come all the way to Brisbane to do the show. Thank you guys, to appreciate it all right now. Matt I mentioned this on the show last night, which was the ANZ Bank coming out and talking about the importance of food security. For all of this conversation about you know, bullets and guns in China and all the rest of it. If we are importing as much as much fruit, veg and canned food, then we are in a world of trouble.

If for whatever reason, we got cut off or punished for, you know, wanting an inquiry.

Speaker 3

Yeah, look, Paul, I've been I've been trying to shout about this for some months, really year now, and it's quite rewarding to see finally some people waking up. And I'm sure the good people at the A and Z have run the numbers as I have, and my conclusion is that this is the first time since the early settlers that Australia really can't feed itself. Now, it is true we produce more food than we consume, quite a

lot more food than we consume. The problem is the way we produce that food uses inputs to its production, really essential inputs that we no longer produce here. Top among that list is a thing called eurea, which I've been talking about now for a couple of years. Ever since the last urea plant shut down here in Brisbane where I am in early twenty twenty two. We lost our last urea plant. We have to import the most important fertilizer. It helps grow about half the world's food.

We have to import that from the Middle East and China. Likewise, we import almost all of our pesticides that control pests and weeds on our farms. To maximize our food production, we now have to import the plastic nodules to make things simple things like polypipe and water tanks, essential things in modern agriculture. So without those things we cannot feed ourselves. If our supply chains are cut off, we won't be

able to have a functioning farm sector. And I just don't understand while we continue to pursue these mad ridiculous net zero goals while turning a blind eye to the most essential thing that any country has to do, any society has to do, and that does grow its own food.

Speaker 2

Nicholas, Because I've got a lot in the inbox here, I don't want to debate that, but I wanted to get matts view across nice and clear at What I do want to debate, though, is we have a national referendum of that whether or not a voice to Parliament should be in the Australian constitution. It was not a total vote on everything and anything to do with indigenous issues. But what about Victoria turning around and saying, oh, we'll have our own anyway now again, Victoria even woke.

Speaker 1

Victoria said no to this.

Speaker 2

So how does the Victorian government justify doing it anyway.

Speaker 9

Oh well, I think it's easy to justify and I think it's very much a worthwhile thing to do, Paul. The Victorian government went to an election promising to introduce a First People's Assembly, they won in a thumping election victory, and now they're implementing what they promised they would do. And it's not a voice, it's not something that's enthrined

in the constitution, doesn't involve any constitutional change. It's just a common sense body that's been set up which is made up of First Nations people here in Victoria who are democratically elected by people in that community, and it provides advice to the Victorian government on matters relating to Indigenous affairs. So pretty common sense measure, not constitutional change. It's a government doing what they said they would do when they went to the people.

Speaker 2

Yeah, but has now I know that that body's been around for a little while. Are there any examples of the government rejecting its advice?

Speaker 1

Nick, I'm not sure.

Speaker 9

Actually, it's certainly a body that's sort of in the early stages of its uh, it's coming into into the world, so I'm not aware of it rejecting anything.

Speaker 2

As yet, because that's what it right obviously, noting the responsibility and again that's a state government thing.

Speaker 1

But that's the point, isn't it. Man? Which is which is?

Speaker 2

And again so I'm not going to have fun Bashi and Nick around with that is that again it's not his area of responsibility. But this is what I mean. The opposition, the opposition in Victoria, they need to come out and not just say, oh, this is not what the people want.

Speaker 1

Have a look if.

Speaker 2

There have been any decisions that have been rejected, because otherwise we know exactly what that means, which is that the Parliament ends up becoming the rubber stamp of the Advisory Committee, not the other way around.

Speaker 3

Well that's true, Paul, but I'd like to go one step further and go sort of elin musk here on this first People's Assembly of link now and now.

Speaker 7

To me.

Speaker 3

Give me give can you can someone give me who supports this? Three things they've achieved since they've been assessed established? Just three?

Speaker 1

What have they done?

Speaker 3

Nick? Do theyn what three things have they achieved since they've been around? Well, I mean I think they're helping the There was a long must be the satellite it is, sorry, Matt.

Speaker 9

So they're helping with the treaty process in Victoria, they're helping with the Euroic Justice Commission process. This is where we engage in truth telling about our history. So they're two pretty big ones. And look, I know there's been a few issues around you know, major roads in Victoria,

so I think they've been giving advice on that. So, I mean, I just think this is common sense stuff, right, like, you make better decisions when you consult with people, and having a First Nation's Assembly elected by Indigenous people to help the government when it comes to making decisions about government decisions that affect Indigenous people. That's just got to ring a common sense to us. And let's not forget the government went to the Victorian people and said, if

you elect us, this is what we'll do. They want a thumping election victory. So now don't you think they should get on.

Speaker 1

And do it?

Speaker 3

But Nick, this winter, this winter, Victoria may run out of gas. It's on track at the moment to run out of gas. And talking if we've sort of skirted around the Victorian constitution right now. In that constitution right now, well it reads equality before the Law, habeas corpus and no fracking. One of the things in the Victoria's constitution is a fracking band. It is absolutely absurd. I mean, whatever you think about fracking, why the hell is it

in that constitution. It's hardly and it's it's hardly the declaration of the rights of man. And now we're going to face a situation where Victoria's running out of gas. It is ridiculous. So why we're focusing on this. It's trivia. It is absolutely trivia because you've raised that their achievements are basically talking talking about things. I'm sickond tired of talking about things. Let's start doing things as a country, because we can do something about our gas shortages and

drill for more gas. Why don't we do that and stop winging about queens. They're not sending you enough of it.

Speaker 9

Nick, I mean, I've gotta hand it to your master debate. You can take any topic like food security, which you had me at one hundred percent until you said, but instead we're talking about climate change and now having a debate about a First Nations Assembly and other Commons emissions.

Speaker 3

Somehow you can't have you turned about getting more guests out of.

Speaker 9

The ground I mean, next we talk about brands and somehow you'll bring.

Speaker 3

That back to coal or something like, how you can do It's remarkable you can't fossil fuels.

Speaker 2

Allow me to just put the ball on the teeth and Matt again and see what happens here where developers of course have walked away from.

Speaker 1

The Central Queensland hydrogen project.

Speaker 2

Yet another one that's falling over here in Queensland.

Speaker 1

So Nick, let's see how fun you can hit it here. It is more coal sweet.

Speaker 3

Well, exactly exactly, Nick, If we have cheaper power process and we have food trustue for sure. But this is another example. I mean, this is another example of people talking about things. So the Labor Party have been talking about hydrogen jobs for years. This is not a laughing matter.

Nick's billions of dollars have been spent. I was there just the other week in Gladstone where your government, the Labor Party's government has given Twiggy for US ninety million dollars or state and federal labor governments have given him ninety million dollars. He's built a shed, some lovely beautiful new roads and it's a complete white elephant. There were ninety people working there a few months ago, are now three. It was not a laughing matter. Nearly ninety people have

lost their jobs. You shouldn't laugh about it. And on top of that, we've spent billions of dollars on a water pipeline and transmission lines, on top of the ninety million that are now both power lines and water pipelines to nowhere. Because this project's not going ahead, and so the Labor Party continues to talk about rubbish like hydrogen jobs. And you could clearly see that we weren't going to get a substantial number of hydrogen jobs anytime soon, but

to get them through election campaigns. Ironically going back to about coal because they didn't want to. They wanted to have a distraction in Central Queens about shutting down the coal industry. They talked about hydrogen jobs. And now everybody's missing out. We don't have a growing coal industry, and we now have all of this debt that we've racked up on a ridiculous pipe dream on hydrogen. It is not working. Still though this government has nine billion dollars

in the budget for hydrogen nine billion dollars. Isn't it about time we recognize failure and stop that stop it, but it is still there potentially going to be spent on absolute rubbish.

Speaker 2

That's the thing, Nicholas, where where hydrogen is one of the alternative technologies very brittle in terms of its capacity to actually get out.

Speaker 1

Of first gear.

Speaker 2

Because we all know if there was cash in this, if there was real cash in this, people would stick with it, right because we know have a look at the mining sector.

Speaker 1

You see a piece of dirt.

Speaker 2

As far as the horizon, Yet you decide to spend how many minions to be able to dig it up to process that decender the world to sell it and that's how you make your money. So if these people didn't see short to medium term return, even long term return, they'd stick with it. But again they walk away.

Speaker 9

Well, look again, the history of new technology and innovation is littered with fits and starts, and so yes, screen hydrogen sector is facing some headwinds here, but that doesn't mean that the technology won't finally come good and help Australia make that transition to being a zero economy. Like with energy technologies in the past, you saw similar challenges of being introduced. Coal fired power had been around theoretically for a long time before Sir John Warnash and now

the great pioneers in the industry took it forward. That doesn't mean we don't try and stop trying to move forward. And Australia does have to get off coal. It does have to get off gas. Matt, You and I can debate the timelines and exactly the pathway there, but we know we need to get there. So yes, there's a set here with this green hydrogen project. But we do need to continue pursuing these renewable power options because that's the world has to.

Speaker 3

Go forgiving every one we'll go.

Speaker 2

I can't because I was just last week you go go fifteen seconds, all right.

Speaker 3

Well hold next fifteen seconds. Well, just last week, new data came out that China, India, Mongolia, Indonesia have increased their coal mining by one point two billion tons in the three years since Netzera was signed up to. That's more than double we produced in any one year.

Speaker 1

Thank you, lads do appreciate it. They don't know as well.

Speaker 9

And true in the morning, feeling tired, does it would cold power solve that.

Speaker 2

Cold?

Speaker 1

I'll see you next week. Love you boys. I get the last one. I know you get that. I get the you's all right, quick break back with Murray.

Speaker 2

Life before we get to the late debate with the very special, very special Elements this evening. We're going to have Niger Franchi on the show tomorrow night. I cannot wait to see what his sponsors to the stuff that happened at Glastonbury. Now, of course those of us that believe in free speech where you have to stand up for the stuff that's unpleasant. But the sort of b factor around this story is that maybe what we said

on the stage could end up being a crime. Let's find out what Nigel thinks this time tomorrow

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