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of parliament. Now as we speak, we have this bloke speaking, one more speaker being the House of Representatives speaker, and then there will be a vote. Now, as you know, Republicans in order to get the big beautiful bill through the parliament, they can only lose three of their own because the numbers are so tight. But the bit that is the breaking news is this guy. Now, this guy's name is Hakeem Jeffries. My apologies. He's a Congressman from New York. He replaced Nancy Pelosi as the leader of

the Democrats. He has been speaking already for more than two hours now. He is literally listing every problem that he has with the bill. He's reading as many emails as possible, and as you can see, he's got a lot more notes, So I might make a bold prediction here, and I hope I'm wrong. I think he might be trying to go for the record. Now I check this just before we came on air. The record for the longest speech in the history of the lower house of

the American Parliament, the Congress is five hours. So if he's been going for two, does he go into the no man's land of three or four? Or is he going to try to run a marathon? Because right now it is seven am in Washington, which means at seven am in New York, and that means the vast bulk of people watching breakfast television every time they are crossing back every fifteen minutes like a breakfast TV show would

it is showing this speech. So this bloke is essentially starting the mid term campaign, which is November next year. He's the one who wants to be the next speaker. He's the Democrat leader who who wants to remember, if the Democrats take over, they can do everything from slow the whole process down to beginning an impeachment process that of course they've done twice before, and they'd find a way easily to do it three, four or five times

before the twenty twenty eight American election. So the story right now is a bloke who is seemingly trying to take every moment he can to speak for as long as possible to get as many eyeballs on his opposition and his party's opposition to the Big Beautiful Bill. They've been debating it all the way through the night. In fact, Congress has essentially been voting either in the lower upper House for days and days and days. We are now

down to this final moment. Now, I'm going to take fifteen seconds of what he's speaking about now so he can get a little bit of a tempo. And anyone who's ever written an essay and is trying to pad it out, you can tell when somebody's trying to pad it out. You tell me, is this blow coming to the end of his speech or do you think he's going to go for the five hour record, which was set I think in the early nineteen hundreds. Again, fifteen seconds.

We won't wallow in all of this, won't keep kicking back all night with the Big Beautiful Bill, which probably will pass and only just but this bloke is going to go for history. Currently two and a bit hours on his way to five. I think.

out of South Australia today. You would have thought that a crime as bad as the one being discussed would result in the maximum amount of time somebody being spent in jail. Not the case. We'll get to that, and if you like me low Formula one and big News, that's happening there as well. We're across everything up, down and in between. There is an awful lot to get to tonight, including a lot of politics. But I also

just want to start out with this. If, like many people, before you fall asleep, you will end up scrolling through your phone and you're not feeling the best. You're often start feeling worse because it feels like everyone else on social media is having a fantastic time, a fantastic life. They're nailing everything, the photos are amazing, they're traveling here, there and everywhere, because in many ways, social media is

a performance. It's a performance about how happy people are, have connected, they are, how sad they are out whatever. But it is a performance. In the olden days we used to say it was keeping up with the Joneses, where you buy a new carcass the person down the street bought a new car. Well, this is the digital version. And if you feel that everyone in the world's having a better life than you. Sometimes just sometimes your bad day gets worse as a result of that perfect example.

There is an Australian sporting legend who has been able to build quite a successful comedia, a career in the media, and it's Leesel Jones. Leesel Jones, of course, is a world champion swimmer, multiple Olympic gold medalist, multiple Commonwealth Games medalist, and she has had some real struggles when it comes to mental health in the many years since she moved from her swimming career to now where she is now.

You can listen to her on the radio on Triple M on the Gold Coast, her and Spider and the rest of the team Great Breakfast Show. I hope you listen to them. But she decided to post something that was not a happy picture on social media in the past couple of days. This was her having a photo from the day before, a day that, by her own admission, was one of the worst that she'd had and could well have been her last amongst us. Let me read from what she posted, Stay until tomorrow. It's one of

my favorite sayings. Yesterday was one of my worst days, and I wanted to end it all. I think I've been battling high functioning depression for a little while now, and I've just gone back to work with my sich. In the dark moments, I promised myself just to stay until tomorrow. And it's amazing what the next day can bring. Because the day after the photo that I showed you before,

she said, was spectacular. I had some free time after work and I went for an hour long walk along the beach, no goals, no plans, just enjoying the sunshine and the view. Missing my walking buddy, but walking by myself was enough. It changed my whole perspective on things. So if life has felt like it kicks you in

the lately, promise me you'll stay until tomorrow. This is such a special and important message because somebody as successful, as powerful, as strong as Lisal Jones is willing to be that vulnerable about how tough some of her days can be, and on the behalf of everyone who has never met her but has admired her work both in the media and in the pool. We offer her nothing

but strength and love. But it's an opportunity for me to also to try to reach through the screen here that if you are somebody who is feeling as she has in the past few days, that message to stay until tomorrow is vital. It's really important. And I know that there is someone somewhere that is watching us who is feeling lonelier than they have ever felt, that it's feeling lower than they have ever felt, who is feeling

like they will not see the sun come up tomorrow. Well, I want to make a promise to that person, wherever you are, that the sun does come up tomorrow, and that as tough as it is to put one foot in front of the other, even if it is just a millimeter, then that itself is a massive achievement. I promise that you are loved. I promise that the world needs you. I promise that your family and friends are

better off for you being here. Now. We have days like are you Okay Day, and we often talk about the importance of reaching out to things like the Kid's Help Line or lifeline, and obviously you should. But if there is anyone who is feeling what Liesel Jones felt this week tonight, may we collectively that being me on the Telly and everyone else who is watching right now, we're here to offer our hand to pull you through to the next day, because the sunrise will be worth it,

the walk will be worth it. If you're a person who does get into these moments, and it may only be just a small moment in your life, find a song on the radio, find your favorite music from YouTube, Go and watch some old comedy from way back when, because these are the little choices that mean you make it to tomorrow. If you make it to tomorrow, then you've had a massive win. So again, if you are anyone who is as lonely, strength and love. I promise, even from a stranger, we love you and we need

you around. Thank you to Liesel Jones for the bravery of which she showed today. That helpline is the lifeline number of thirteen eleven fourteen. That's somebody who might be able to help you to night, even if you've never called that number before. Just ring it, have a chat. If you're worried about someone in your life right now, call them. Don't wait till tomorrow. If you know somebody is just a little bit off, ring them right now. Who cares if they're asleep, Because together we pull each

other through. Together, we step forward. Because this is a wonderful life to live, even when sometimes it feels as tough as it can be. But strength and love, leth and strength and love to any and everyone else who needs that message, I love you, I honestly do. Let's turn to the politics of today, though, what we do best here, which is, of course, when we talk about

public servants. We often think about places like Canberra and why wouldn't we heavily populated with them, government departments up the yin Yang, here, there and everywhere. They of course are our moral best the people, of course, recognized by the Warman Royal well and truly, but the people in and around other government sites sometimes can be a little bit frustrating. Well. As I told you on Sunday, Australia

has now got one million public servants. Now we're not talking about a million people in the defense force, a million people who are at the front end of things. We're talking about a million people who are basically involved in the pen pushing the stuff that doesn't really make our country a better place, but they go on with it. And I'm pleased to say there's been some great reporting

about this in the past few days. Shane Wright in the Channel nine newspapers, and in the Australian newspaper they have been focused on via the reporting of Jeff Chambers sixteen million bucks. That's how much all of the upper echelons of the people around Albo are. And they started to jump in here and have a look at the numbers of people who are in that ever growing public service. And I know there was an election where there was

some conversation about this, but that doesn't matter. A point still stands here, which is since the Australian public service levels hit a fourteen year low of one hundred and forty four thousand employees at the end of twenty nineteen, there has been an explosion in federal bureaucracy under the Albanese government, who's now taken from one hundred and forty four thousand to two hundred and thirteen thousand staff going into the financial year of this year and next year.

This nice little chart again from the Australian newspaper shows you exactly where that stuff has been. Now they say every single person when it comes to an increase in

the public service, they are there to help. Okay, thirty nine thousand of them may well have been there to help of extras, But what about the football stadium of people in administration seventeen thousand since twenty nineteen have been added sixteen thousand in compliance and regulation, portfolio, program and project management fifteen almost sixteen thousand, strategic policy fourteen thousand, Communications and marketing up eighty nine percent since twenty nineteen

to now three thousand fully paid for all time employees of the Australian Public Service. And yes, while there was some conversation about Canberra based public servants, and again that nuance was lost and any suggestion that this is anything but a good thing for our country is met with fear and doom about any and everyone who works for the Australian government in any and every possible way. Well we know how that played out at the federal election.

But the truth is that Australia's public service is spread out. Again a from the Australian newspaper. Yes, majority is in Canberra, but a football stadium of thirty four thousand are in Victoria, In New South Welst thirty two thousand, in Queensland twenty five thousand, South Australia thirteen thousand, and even in Western Australia there are close to ten thousand public servants working

for the federal government, and of course they vote. These are the top ten electorates that have the most number of Commonwealth public servants that live in them. I think you can see pretty obviously here that the extreme majority of them are represented by the Labor Party, Canberra being Fenna Eden, Manero, Adelaide, Franklin, Sturt Wills, Brisbane, Melbourne, Griffith. Sorry, this is the top twenty boothby Marabanon, Lily Hein, marsh

Macon and Perth. The Coalition only represents two of these seats, being Herbert and Riverina and clark In In Tasmania is represented by an independent Andrew Wilkie. And as the public service grows and any conversation about how efficient that is, how relevant that is, how expensive that is, how effective that is, well it is of course met with fear and doom from the political party of which such a

huge percentage of these people end up voting for. And that speaks at the absolute at heart to something that I have been drawing on your screens metaphorically for years now, which is what I believe to be a triangle of dependence that put simply if you are somebody who relies upon the government for welfare, you have to keep voting for the same party to be in the government. If you work for the government, then you keep voting for the political party that is the government. So no one

rocks the boat. And if you're in private industry, if the government is your biggest client or customer, you don't rock the boat. So once you put together hundreds of thousands of public servants spread out all across the country, once you put the millions of people when it comes to welfare, not entitlement, welfare and all of those businesses, you end up with in part results like we have got of recent elections. This is how you build a permanent one party rule. It has been widely successful for

the Labor Party. Why would they change. But as somebody who lives outside of that system, like I know many of you do, seeing how big it grows and questioning whether its growth is always a good thing is something that's still a free society should be able to do. But if it all comes at essentially it keeps growing, the blob keeps growing, regardless of how much it costs, regardless of what it does, then no one rocks the boat. Which means one party stays in power forever, like Victoria,

with the exception of one term of the Libs. They've been around for about thirty years, with the exception of one term a few years ago, and now in Queensland again thirty year run of the Labor Party in places like Queensland. In a second, i'll show you about how they are trying to create permanent one party rule in

other parts of the country. But that triangle of dependence, it is something that is absolutely the goal of the modern center left, which is that the Labor Party is the government, and you love the government, and the government will take care of you, regardless of whether it's a one to two or three trillion dollar deficit, regardless of whether there are too many people fighting for too few things, because we have to keep things like mass immigration going

on and on and on as long as that triangle works. And we know triangles some of the strongest shapes you can possibly have. Why because it all reinforces itself to law and order, specifically the court in South Australia. Now, I'm one of these crazy people who believes that when someone commits a crime, they should be punished for the crime yes, slowly, but surely because not everyone gets life

towards the end of it. That's when rehabilitation and your ability to move back into the real world, well, okay, that starts to kick in. But there are certain crimes where the sentences have to be so large to send a message to the commuit unity. Firstly, you don't want to do this because you're going to spend an awful long time in jar but secondly it's also because it's a statement of national values that this does not happen here.

And you saw the Court of Appeal in South Australia because they have made it curious in my view decision in the past couple of days, but it is one that gives us an idea about a legal system, not a justice system, as Darren Hinch said so many years on the air, and when of course his party was focused in and around these issues and was quite successful in Victoria for quite a few years. I want to go back a couple of years where there was a young woman who was stabbed and she was stabbed by

her father. The reason I'll get to in a second. The image is one from CCTV footage that was released by the Supreme Court of South Australia of a man with a knife. The police investigating the scene because the stab happened in broad daylight in a shopping center. Well, multiple members of the family ended up going before the courts,

but the specific focus is the man the father. Have a look here I read now from the ABC and their accounting of what has happened in the past couple of days, members of an Adelaide Honor stabbing victim family members rather of Adelaide Honor stabbing victim have had their sentences reduced. The trio and other family members were charged after a twenty one year old woman was held down and stabbed outside the Sefton Plaza shopping center in Adelaide's

North in November two thy and twenty one. She was repeatedly stabbed in the abdomen with a large kitchen knife before being driven to the family home and put into a shower. The woman suffered significant internal injuries in the incident. There is more to this story and as the headline has told you why the stabbing took place again, we continue to read from the story from the ABC released

today on their website. The court had previously heard that the traditional Pashtun Muslim family disapproved of her relationship with a Christian man and worked together to track her down. In the lead up to the stabbing, The crime had previously been described in court as an attempted honor killing.

In written reasons. The court also noted that the victim of the offending had now provided a sworn Affi David earlier this year, stating that quote she forgives the appellance and expresses favorable views as to the appellan's remorse and therefore a desirability of a non custodial sentence. But let's be very clear what happened here. The father pled guilty to the charges of false imprisonment and aggravated korus in serious with intent as originally judged for fourteen years and

three months. Remember what are the beginnings of what they believe to be a planned honor killing. Why because of her relationship with a Christian man, his total sentence has been reduced by almost four years from fourteen to now ten and a half, with a non parole period of

seven years and six months. Now this is the perfect example of the legal system, not the justice system, and whatever relationship that victim has to the person responsible for it is one thing, but how can any court anywhere in the country do anything but send the loudest, loudest, loudest message. That's that a woman being stabbed, threatened, kidnapped or maybe even killed because of the faith of the people that she chooses to mix with. No way. Now again,

I know the way the system works. You get fourteen years, but the victim's able to say, hey, I forgive, which means the justice system stands aside in terms of punishment, and we get the legal system, which means the time goes down, the person remains in jalen will for some time. But am I the only person in Australia who thinks that the original decision is right and should not have been changed? Tell me your thoughts, paul a skynews dot com dot au. What I was mentioning before about the

permanent rule of one particular political party. I want to turn now again to South Australia. Stick with South Australia, but now turned to their state parliament because they've made some interesting decisions in the past couple of days. In fact, the law passed last year, but it's all come to effect on July the first. The South Australian Premier, Peter malanowskis a bloke who remains incredibly popular and as Iltia in a second, looks like you can to absolutely cake

walk it in at the next state election. The Liberal Party being reduced to well even less than a Torrago most likely. Well, they made a decision, which is a good one and one that I support, which is no longer will there be cor flutes, those ugly posters that go up on power polls all over the place, meaning people can deface them like that. But you know, during the last federal election there was too many of them.

They annoy me. I know for some people they think it's a good way to get the message out, but to me, I'm just tired of seeing them. It's a sort of nineteen eighties way of campaigning. In twenty and twenty five, well, the law in South Australia is that there are no such posters except for ones in private property, which you can have on your house, but you can't have them outside of your house, which means a little

less visual pollution. The state government has passed a law saying during a federal election campaign there will be no posters either good. Yeah. But back to the triangle of dependence. The media has been quite impressed by the South Australian government making a decision to ban all political donations from the political system. Again on this idea that a million dollars in equals decisions coming out, I'll let our reporter from Adelaide explain how the system works practically.

candidate over four percent. There are different ways this can get calculated, and are not going to get into the overall numbers here, but where the system, in my view, goes from a level playing field going into the next state election, because everyone's hemmed into the same box. If you are the receiver of money because of how well you do at an election, if you're going to absolutely smash it, I'm going to end up with more money

in the kiddy than your opposition. And that's where I think you start to get back to that triangle of one political party having more money. And yes, they may not be able to spend all of that money at a state election, but of course that money may well be able to be sent to other state divisions or

even to the federal party. You see the latest opinion polls out of South Australia, seeing that the Malinowskars government is going to be re elected and handsomely in fact on the two party preferred it's currently sixty seven to thirty three. So they are going to absolutely smash the next election and theoretically end up with more money per votes. Now.

I have tried to research this as hard as I can today and I will again report back to you next week about exactly how much money could be a play here, but to give you an idea of how dominant the Labor Party is in South Australia right now and how they could be a serious financial beneficiary of the new system when it comes to the preferred premier. Right now in South Australia, Peter Malanowska's has seventy two percent of the vote. Will he end up with an

awful lot of money? Again? We will all find out together. So news out of Europe that I want to get to, specifically out of Spain is some breaking news in and around a footballer for the Liverpool Football Club in the EPL, and also a man who was played football for his nation of Portugal. This was the breaking news a couple of hours ago.

only individual in the car. The only detail we have is that he has died in that crash in the northwest of Spain.

and his beautiful bride. The UK Prime Minister has had a bit to say about this tragedy today.

five hours in history? We'll all be asleep and we'll all find out tomorrow more than a second thank you so much for watching. Done forget before we're done, a winner or loser of the week, jump onto all of our socials. In the meantime, looking forward to the people who will help me do it and remember it's legally binding. Christiy McSweeney is from the pr Council. We always love you to see her wonderful face and her new faces whilst which is Ed Kavanagh and Ed is with the

mckel Institute. We got team Red and team Blue no matter what ties they wear, Lady Jen Tlloe and love you to see you both, Ed, Welcome to the show. Now today the charted accountants, you know that sexy group of people. God love you for an accountant, but still you get the point. They've come forward and said, look, if everything's on the table when it comes to the productivity discussions the Treasure will be having in August. Maybe one of the things we should be talking about is

upping the GST. But it's not just about the money grab of upping the GST. Theoretically you'd be able to push down the amount of tax that is being paid for by individuals. Only problem with all of this logic, by the way, is remember in terms of what you and I as pay as you go, people actually end up giving. I think the federal government gets close to four hundred billion dollars out of income tax and only

about one hundred billion out of the GST. So there's going to have to be some little wobble here, but we'll see what happens. All right, ed, new face, do you get to go first? Will they ever change the GST?

And I noted in this proposal, effectively what we saw was a vague idea that we'd see lower income taxes, we'd see lower business taxes. You know, I want to see that conversation start with if we are ever going

to raise the GST. First, what we're going to do is guarantee that we will see everyone who is earning much say below fifty thousand dollars a year or so, pay dramatically less income tax and be a bit explicit about that, because otherwise we're just going to end up raising the GST and punish those potentially that can't afford it.

to offset Somewhere. How is raising the GST. I'll make the point that I'm old enough and I've done politics a long enough time to remember when we used to do it without twenty four hour media, without twenty four hours social media, or twenty four hour political teav Tell me for our political.

that people won't support raising taxes, surprise, surprise. So it's a very brave politician who then wants to prosecute that argument, and that applies to so many dearly needed reforms that Australia is now coming to an end of that twenty year cycle of when we last had reform, and you could even argue that the hawk Keating government was probably the last government to do it in a great number and then how it came with the GST and gun reform and they've been tinking around the edges, but we

don't do it when it costs people money. It's very difficult to sell in a twenty four hour media cycle environment. When was the last time anybody saw a white paper? The Ken Henry Tax Review might have been the last thing that could be considered a white paper, and no government ever since has wanted to implement many of the recommendations that would count a significant tax reform.

paying way too much income tax. If you pay fifty or sixty thousand dollars, you're paying sort of seven or ten thousand dollars a year in income tax.

and got ask in twenty five. But she's standing up pretty aggressively about the need for reform in and amand iss used to do with gender. Now, Christy, we've talked about this and quite correctly, because there's nothing that ever seems to change for a long time. It does seem that there are plenty of voices that are at getting

greater as seniority recognizing that there's a serious need. And her conversation is much deeper and goes beyond things like quotas and I support as I said the day after the election as a person who wanted the Libs to be the government, is that when they lost and lost by the margin that they did, you don't just need to learn a lesson, you need to be seen to be learning a lesson. And also, there's a whole bunch of people in corporate Australia who can help organizations modernize

to change, to deal with these issues. And am pleased to see that Melissa is suggesting that bringing in some outside help people who know change for a living might be the way to do it.

to make two points on this. Melissa Macintosh is an underrated hero of the Liberal Party in such difficult environments where seats that once were considered a safe seats now five percent. She has continued to win that seat in

Western Sydney time and time and time again. And the other underrated hero is Jason wood Out in Latrobe, who has held that seat since two thousand and four, only losing it in two thousand and seven the rud Slide election, where his multicultural community or multicultural percentage is around thirty forty percent of migrants who've chosen to call Australia home and they vote for him. Large Indian community in particular, underrated heroes, both of them, and we don't give them

enough credit for what they do. Melissa can I say, I'm really pleased to hear her use her voice because she used someone who, despite increasing her margin consistently, has been very much under attack by factions within the Liberal Party who wanted to see her rolled at her pre selection. So if we're talking about gender issues, we have to

talk about factional issues. And despite the fact that you increase your vote consistently in this really difficult environment, people still want to throw you over for a man, I must say, But that's irrelevant of who they wanted to replace her with. But that speaks to a number of structural issues within the party. I'm for quoters. I think it's time Labour's got fifty percent parody in their party room. We've lagged at twenty percent for over the last two decades.

It doesn't matter how we do it, but we need to find a way because two consecutive elections, the women of Australia have just said that's it. You're not speaking to me well enough, and there's a public perception issue out there that they don't want to vote for the Liberal Party.

talking and talk. Thanks very much for watching a winner or loser of the week in a moment or two time. Ed Kavanah is with the mckel Institute, the left wing think tank or center lift think tank. Can they prefer to say or mainstream as they'd also like to say, none other than the pr Council is where you can find the wonderful Christy McSweeney, help you with everything from a crisis to long term planning. We're here. Remember we're not Channel two. We're here to push a book, right.

I'm happy to help people out with what they do all day, every day.

If there is, obviously we'll mention that if we learn of it. But there's clearly a lot of pressure on this person right now. So let's get to pressure in public. It's not that she is female, and certainly I noticed that a lot of people talking about this, We're thinking, do you even bring this issue up. I'm not going into the gender of things, but about how we deal with pressure. And look, as somebody who's hit harder than most for longer than most. You do need to constantly

remind ourselves these are normal people. And yes, while their job may be coming to an end, or their failures may be coming to an end. When you see somebody's hurting, I don't think that's the moment to just go all the way. She may still lose a job, but you need to pull back every so slightly too. Am I too soft for these hard times?

over there and she's obviously feeling that pressure. So you know, it doesn't surprise me that coming about not you know, went in for the juggular in that instance. It is difficult to watch, but you know, this is a kind of a blood.

Do you pull back because clearly this person is on the edge or the nature of the battle is sorry, you know, I get it, but we're not going to stop.

heed to humanity. We have a narrative of you're paid by the taxpayer, we own you. And again I'll return to the twenty four hour social media where people are keyboard warriors and hide behind screens to lodge these really nasty personal attacks because they don't look at politicians as humans because they've been fed this narrative of you owe us, you're paid by our taxes, and that is true, but that doesn't mean we should disregard humanity in people who are doing a job which is a very, very very

hard job. But I will say, you know that it's a very hard job.

two decades ago. Now we haven't talked about it since.

around the whole country. Basically our capacity as a nation to refine metals and to value add to the resource that we have here, and we're seeing news story after news story every other day now some of these refineries coming under acute pressure and potentially having to seek some

sort of government assistance. And what's really happening here, which I think hasn't been called out clearly enough by our government, but certainly just in the community at large, is that you know, we hear about some of the pressures in this sector being purely energy based, energy related within our

domestic energy sector. What we're actually seeing though is state intervention from the Chinese, from others, huge amounts of industrial policy happening all around the world that is effectively artificially lowering the prices of so many of these commodities and really making it more unviable, really quickly for some of these smelters to be operational in Australia. So we've got to call that out, and I do think the government really needs to. The federal government needs to think about

some sort of cohesive national strategy in this sector. Otherwise we are going to see you know, thousands of jobs go, but also our sovereign capability as a country to manufacture and to value add or these essential commodities potentially potentially be lost off.

the US. You have no I love my supercars and speaking of happy birthday to the wonderful Bathist winning champion driver that is David Reynolds, who is having his special birthday today. Well done mate, all the best of you and the family. But of course Formula one the global sensation and we of course love Oscar Piastre and all of that. We hope that he is going to be able to make his way towards win Silverston this weekend

and maybe go on to a world title. But of course the bloke who has had many of recent years is Max Vashtappen, and Max is not having a great year all right. Basically it is pastre versus Norris, both playing for the same team, and Max is not out of it yet, but he's sort of on his way. Certainly the team that he races for, though, that being

Red Bull Racing, is having a garbage year. So there is now conversation that after Lewis Hamilton left Mercedes Benz to go to Ferrari this year, that none other than Max Verstappen could make his way towards Mercedes. A man who knows much more about this than any of us is none other than Martin Brundle, and he said this today on Sky News F one.

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