From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray.
Live Wednesday Night. Yeah, the end of hump Day.
We're on our way towards the weekend, but there's plenty of work to be done between now and then, including a great conversation with the most fine up lady in the world. She is exclusive to this program on a Wednesday Night, the wonderful Megan Kelly, who found it rather funny that the real estate agents of the Gold Coast got together and paid Kamala Harris money to hear her speak on the weekend.
I should be offended that I wasn't invited first. I'm much bigger in Australia than Kamala Harris's. Where at my invitation? Realtors?
All right? Today the new opposition leader has announced their plan and number of people for the Shadow Ministry, and Susan lay will be on this program in the next couple of minutes to go through some of the decisions, to talk about the big task that is ahead, and a little of her personal story as well. I'm please that we're going to have a chance to talk to her about these things. Now, let's go through what you all know to be the case. Some people, some people
down Now. Obviously, renewal absolutely front and center. Reality is up to two election losses. Many of the people who were at the very front end of those two election losses are being moved aside or down. Reality of politics, reality of professional sport, reality of media, reality of every business is that not everyone gets a promotion. Sometimes just
staying in the game is the promotion. Sometimes people move sidewards, and yes, some people are punished for performance or a whole bunch of other personal reasons and they start to move backwards. The difference between professional sport or the real world is that in politics, we know how long this is going to go. For there's a three year term, some people will move further up, some people will be pulled back, and some people will come in from the cold.
That is the reality. But obviously, after losing thirty seats in the past two elections, there are people who needed to come towards the front. Some of those people who are being brought towards the front. As you can see here, Tad O'Brien is the deputy Liberal leader, gets to pick whatever he wants to do, and he has chosen that he's going to be the shadow treasurer really important. Focus on small business is going to be where Tim Wilson
is going to be. Dave Sharma is there when it comes to the money as well, A big brain fella, James McGrath. He's going to move to urban infrastructure. Michaulia Cash becomes Foreign Affairs James Patterson. Remember he was the Home Affairs guy, so he's had immigration, national security. Now he starts to broaden himself out and he is a spectacular performer both in the Parliament, in Senate estimates and on television. So him and the Finance portfolio really important. Yes,
people have been dudded. Jane him essentially out the back door. Will she come back, Well, it'll be up to other people to make mistakes and her to impress that it is time for her to return. Sarah Henderson goes from education out the back door. Michael McCormick, Barnaby Joyce both former Deputy prime ministers. Now remember that in part is a decision by the National Party as to who they put forward, and then Susan Lee makes her decisions about
who serves. But let's not pretend there aren't going to be some noses out a joint. But again the same team that's been playing for a long period of time, both in government from twenty thirteen and then the elections of sixteen, nineteen, twenty two and twenty five. Yep, some people are going to move forward, some people are going to move back. And I think all of these people are good people. So there's nothing personal about this. A lot of people want to talk about your Cindernampa Jupa
Price really important that she of course maintains the shadow ministry. No, she is not in the shadow cabinet. I know that, Ruffle Sum. I'll let Susan Lay explain in a moment or two time why the decision has been made. But people that are her supporters are openly saying that it's about trying to broaden out the things that she's going to be focused on. Angus Taylor foreign affairs, he's of course the chief leadership rival, perhaps setting him overseas as
a way to keep him busy. And Dan teen well, he moves into new positions as well. This, in part is what Susan Lee had to say her new team today.
Our team is one of strivers and optimists, of leaders and listeners. The new coalition shadow ministry balances experience with new talent. It reflects the full range of our philosophical traditions, values and perspectives across our two great party rooms.
Now, as always when you are handing out such prizes, there are not enough prizes for enough people that are there. If the coalition had not reformed, then there might have been almost prizes for every single person from the back bench all the way through to the deputy leader. But also what seems very obvious, apart from pulling some new faces towards the front, people like Angie Bell, great politician in and around the southeast of Queensland. People like Melissa Macintosh.
She's been able to hold on to the western Sydney seat of Lindsay, regardless of whether they were the lives were in government or opposition, or even going further back as they did at the last election. She's going to be an interesting fighter. You've also got a balance, not just male female, not just left right, not just state here and there. But also remember that one of the roles of a shadow minister is to be the person
asking questions of the minister. So say, for example, the Minister for Communications, well they are in the Lower House, the person asking questions of them. You would ideally like to have them in the lower House, the same as Foreign Affairs Penny Wong upper House. Hence why Mikaylia cash as what I think is a continuing of her as the leader of the Senate for the Opposition, She of
course takes on Pennywong there. So there seems to have been in all of the different balancing acts an attempt to bring new Yes, some older faces move back, some people move sidewards, but you're also trying to match up. And I've got to say one thing in particular that I'm really looking forward to my questions like Angus Taylor in Defense asking questions of the Deputy Prime Minister. I'm looking forward to Andrew Hasty in Home Affairs asking questions
directly of Tony Burke. You see how these things all start to line up. That's part of the decision making. Again, will this be the team that will be there in three years going to an election? Probably not, Why because that's always the case. Is it the team that will be automatically and at some point into the future ministers in all of these portfolios, Well, logically not given the position that the party is in. But is it more than a liquor paint. Is it an attempt to put
new faces and to move to the next generation of people. Yeah, obviously, and sometimes that can be a screaming heap because yep, all of these people are in experience. The government turns around and essentially points at an inexperienced opposition and drives that home as a reason why you have to re
elect a government. But as Paul Ericson said, and this is really important, whether you like this or not, my job's not just to tell you the stuff that you like, but to tell you the stuff that obviously the other people are telling us is what they believe to be
their worldview. The Labour Party boss Paul Erickson now, he said that one of the ways they were able to particularly go after Peter Dutton and many of the people who were in the key positions in the coalition at this last election, and yes, many of those were gross distortions or just outright lies, was that they had polling, constant polling for the past three years about what were people's perceptions of the previous government and what were people's
perceptions of their performance in the previous government. And given that that government had not just lost, but lost handsomely, and then the remnants of that government lost again handsomely at this last election. Part of the logic about the renewal here again, like it, dislike it, Susan lay in a moment, We'll ask the questions and you can be
convinced or otherwise by her answers. But to give her an opportunity to explain these decisions rather than them to be explained or judged for you, I think is a good thing, especially when somebody is at the start of their leadership journey. Again, I've said all the way through when there are big clangers, I'll call them out. But I don't see the big clangers in all of this. But when I talk about that renewal, I want to
point your attention to the New South Wales Labor Party. Now, when Christina Kanneely was wiped from office, this was a scandal riddle government that the Liberal Party for four and almost eight years was able to point to as you wouldn't want to go back to that. You wouldn't want to go back to that. So when Chris Mins was putting together his shadow cabinet, and yes they were talking about a fourth term, not a third term in office.
From memory, there was just one or two members of the entire shadow cabinet that were even MP's in the Kanneli government that had been blown away. So we've seen how brutal and effective the weaponization of lies about a politician's past can be when it comes to the Labor Party. And obviously you don't make a decisions that are just about fear of the Labor Party, but you want to take as many angles of attack off the table for you to be able to reset, reintroduce yourself and get
the attention back onto a government. It's set up to a government about how many times it drops the ball? And when it drops the ball? Do you have a shadow minister who can ask question after question, day after day to put somebody on the ropes. Perfect example about this, Tim Wilson in part is going to have responsibility for small business. Do you know who has responsibility for small
business in the government. It's an l now, yes, sir, former childcare minister, but essentially a person whose main role was sitting behind the Prime minister and rolling her eyes and acting like everything that she'd said was either everything the Prime minister or a minister had said was the most shocking or funniest thing she'd ever seen. Well, she of course now has responsibility for small business. I can't
wait to see Tim Wilson versus ANL. Don't you think that NL is going to be the one double checking her notes rather than Tim Wilson, who, of course very success was part of putting on the agenda of the twenty nineteen election, things like frankin credits. So it's all about the contest, not just in presentation, not just in ideas, but also with an eye to the future. So yes, big benefit of the doubt will be given by this program to make sure that there is not a repeat
of the last two elections. Now can there be? You bet you? Numerically, if you have any seats in the parliament, you can end up with no seats in the parliament. But obviously, what's the definition of insanity to keep doing the same thing and expect a different result. Now, I want the focus to be on the bad government. I want the shadow ministers to be the ones that can prosecute that argument. Not for our amusement here, but for the wider public and wider media to be able to see.
I want people who may well have voted for the Liberal Party and turned away from the Liberal Party to re engage with it as an option into the future because of the people that are being put in front of them. That's all I'm playing here. That's all of the above the water and below the water currents of my attitude to this opposition and the decisions that are made in the next little while. All right, We're also going to have people on the show tonight who have
been promoted demoted. How do you deal with it? What happens, How do you make sure that it doesn't just become a festering saw. How do you work your way from out in the cold right back into the center of government. We've got people who have lived that experience and they will join us a little later in the meantime. Susan Laigh in just a couple of minutes here on Palmurray Life to explain the decisions to you, not me, to
you about her choices when it comes to the Shadow Cabinet. Now, remember we used to say that bank bashing was an Australian sport. It was like an unofficial sport for everyone to winge about banks and their profits and how much this and how little that, and so much so that, of course there was eventually a Royal commission, of which not many recommendations were of actually put in place, and
nobody ever followed up. But everyone still remains wedded to the banks probably that you either had your kid account in or the one that you got your homeland. We don't move around lot when it comes to banks. But there is a new national sport that I think is going to be threatening bank bashing as our new national sport, and it is intergenerational bashing. Now. We have seen this in politics, we see this in social media, we see this in social commentary about the amount of winging that
goes on. We're say, for example, the millennials, well, they want to have a crack at the boomers. The boomers want to have a crack at Generation Z. The older builders will they think Gen X is a little too loose, and obviously Generation OW for too young to vote right now. But they're going through a very radical school system right now. And I'm pretty sure those born in twenty twenty five don't have a political opinion yet. But this happens all
the time to me. You can watch news programs, current affairs shows, you can read opinion pieces on those websites, or you can listen to podcasts, and so often this generation, that generation who had it better, who had it tougher,
all of it stuff. We used to joke about this stuff in generations previous, where you know, you'd always joke about your parents or your grandparents telling stories about, oh, you think it's tough to walk to school, Why I had to walk up a hill and down a hill and pass the crocodiles and with bare feet while I was dragging cement block. It used to be a joke
about how the generations used to interact. But now it is being weaponized by what I think, you're pretty bad actors, people who don't want the country to get along instead, people who believe that anyone who disagrees with them should either shut up and disappear or fall off the perch, and then they get what they want. That's not healthy
for a country. Perfect example of this is the housing debate. Now, obviously you know that there'll be a group of people who'll say you're winging now about how expensive a unit is. Where we had seventeen percent interest rates before that, you know you weren't able to get a bank depositive five percent you needed twenty percent up front. Everyone's got this story, and property is difficult to get whether this generation has it slightly better than that or this one had it
slightly worse. Again, everyone has their own perspectives, and like statistics, they can be brought up by lots of different people trying to make lots of different points. Now, often, one of the reasons that you see the difficulty of housing affordability appearing in the media as regularly as it is is not because it's not an issue. It is an issue. But let's also be honest that many of the people who are writing the articles are the very people who are in the middle of the struggle to be able
to buy a home. So therefore it becomes the number one issue that they are interested in, and when you publish it online, regardless of what publication I'm showing you here, lots of people are interested, lots of cliques, and as we know, the more the cliques, the more the repeat business. Here are some young people again talking about their difficulties right now when it comes to buying homes. Again, I'm not pretending it's not hard.
Do you think you'll be able to afford a home within the next ten years. Absolutely not no, no, no, at not's you're at all very crazy, sir, No, probably not.
I really doubt I'll be able to afford a house.
And then there's the clap back like this one I think from news dot com dot Au about a dad who had a post basically telling everyone, look, you know, if you want you want the fancy lifestyle, you want the new car, you want the new everything, Well guess what you're not going to save you post it on socials and that causes a whole thing. And then another version of the people who have weaponized youth to believe that every generation other than theirs is killing the planet
when it comes to climate change. Does you also find it interesting that, despite the existential threat, that those monthly protests have not happened since the government stopped being liberal. And then, of course there is the people who like to push back against those who are full of hypocrisy when it comes to arguments about climate like the boss of Woodside, dutifully reported by the Turnbull Times with dripping
sarcasm in their headlines. The boss of Australia's gas giant Woodside, Mego Nail, has attacked young people who take an ideological stand against fossil fuels, suggesting they are hypocrites. Why because you can't just hit a switch and expect the lights to come on. Why, well, obviously you need to make sure that there is things like gas that are part
of that picture. As she turned around and said, as she's referred to people being happy to buy fast fashion on things like Timu which are carbon intensive, while simultaneously blowing up about carbon emissions of a Western Australian fossil fuel plant. So the human impact and the consumer's role in driving energy demand and emissions is absolutely missing in
the space in this conversation. Well, well, well there had to be pushed back and intergenerational fighting, didn't they, Because despite the fact that yeah, mego, Neil's got a point, which is the people who want all of the advantages of the modern world, all of people who do not care that China produces more emissions than we do, need
to understand. There was only so much STRAIGHTI can do, but bang one of the go to people at the moment, a person who has already announced that their own candidacy to try to be a teal in the Senate at the next federal election. Well, of course, straight into the turbul times there. As the twenty six year old and a member of Generation the I am proud to say that I have never made a purchase from fast fashioned stoughts. This was her pushback. See Meg O'Nell's point is absolutely incorrect,
because my personal circumstances do not recognize hers. Acknowledging this flaw is important. We should all be striving to make environmentally friendless choices. However, pointing out that this is a prime example of a straw ban argument is a more pressing point. The blatant scapegoating of young people while directly destroying our climate, and on and on and on and
on and on and on and on. Now, of course, the point is, if you are absolutely serious about pulling back on emissions, you do every single thing in your life to pull back on those emissions, unless, of course, you have to give a speed each somewhere, and I'm pretty sure that you didn't ride your bike to get to that. Any conversation about this is well, of course, you know I can solve the world, but I'm not responsible for its problems.
And that's true too, and very obviously a fossil fuel company clearly creates more carbon dioxide emissions than any one individual, no question. But again, something about this intergenerational debate that sometimes needs a little bit of water port on it. Are the bigger picture, and the bigger picture is for those who want to clap back at the evil fossil fuels people, or perhaps even the fossil fuels people, trying to pretend that it's the people clapping back that are the problem.
China is the problem. How many times we have to show you this. This, by the way, is not some right wing group. This is the Union of Concerned Scientists. The numbers are from twenty twenty, but they say it's pretty similar to the picture right now. China more than thirty percent, the rest of the world twenty percent. That means we're at six o'clock on the climate clock and all of those people are polluting more than we are. You add the United States, Russia and India, you get
to forty five minutes past the climate clock. Australia one percent of the problem. So even if we do everything the Guardian wants, or we do everything the fossil fuel companies, what get what? Guess what China will replace what we save. You can't hide. Sixteen days of emissions is what they can produce, and that wipes out everything we do in one year. So it's great that everyone wants to blow up at things like a fossil fuel company in Australia.
If you choose to do so, fine, But if you're actually fared, it can deep in your bones fired up about the existential threat to the planet that is climate change. There is a joint called the Chinese Embassy. There is a joint choice called the Chinese Consulate in a city near you. Feel free to go and march and have a protest there, But of course it is interested in that because it's not as easy as being able to
pretend that everything is someone else's fault. Well, if you actually want to blame a repeat China, Third World, United States, India, Russia.
Forty five minutes of the climate clock, And just one last point, if I could make a little cultural reference The Simpsons, of course, is very key to me as a gen XA of being able to explain the world both before I was here and give us an insight into the world after I was young, and it was at the front and center regardless of what part of the generation span you sit on, which part of the intergenerational war you wish to fight. There is one rule
that you cannot avoid. And Grandpa Simpson puts it right when he says.
What the hell are you two doing? That's cold rocking out? You wouldn't and it's dan, Dad, you're not with it. I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it? And what's it? Seems weird and scary to me.
It'll happen to you, correct and you that's just what happens, all right. And it is always hilarious watching like in the same way, like the divorced dad tries to dress like the twenty six year old girlfriend. It's always a bit weird when you start to see people that are, you know, older than fifty, that are trying to campaign like they were still twenty five and twenty five year olds who want to pretend that everyone else other than
them has screwed everything else. But thanks so much for the internet, electricity and every other invention, and a little further to these divides that exist in our society, And again, I don't think they have to be clash points but they are key ways that people identify themselves. And of course we know that there's great difference between people under the age of fifty as voters under the age of fifty, between male and female. And just look at the electoral role.
This is not polling, it's not an opinion. This is the number of people who were qualified and enrolled to vote at the election just gone. There are more under the age of fifty, and there are more than a female and no not all a uniform and vote in
one way. But if everything's fifty to fifty, if like fifty percent of people under fifty and fifty percent of people over fifty fifty miles and fifty percent of females, guess who would win under fifty and female right as the key determinants of elections, And increasingly we know that there are different ways that the cities are voting as
opposed to regional areas. Now, interestingly, today we've got maybe a little preview into something that I've got to say, I have been seeing in all of the time we've been doing the ourtowns going around the country, which is maybe when we started out, things like the part of the RSL were a little more at the heart of the culture of a regional town, but now competing for that attention is high end restaurants, cafes, pretty modern stuff. Not to suggest that pubs and RSLs aren't, but you
get my point. Today we learn that the Sunny Coast has now been overtaken by Geelong as the place where people who leave cities have gone and lived in. In fact, if you have a look at this, which is the Regional Movers Index that was put out today by the Regional Australia Institute, you can see that there was big movement, not sixty four percent of the entire population, but of the people who moved, they moved out of the cities. They moved into the bush pretty level in the Northern Territory.
They moved into the bush in Queensland. Level in South Australia, Tasmania. In fact, a little more you had a scenario where again people were vacating the cities moving into the bush in places like Victoria. Well guess what the local government areas where people are moving to and they take their
politics with them. Greater Geelong, the Sunshine Coast, Lake Macquarie, the one I'm not going to try to pronounce I apologize in Victoria, Maitland in New South Wales other areas that have had major movements of people from the city moving to them bringing their politics with them Townsville, Gladstone, Latroe,
Bendigo and Denmark in Western Australia. Now we won't know the full picture of who lives where and therefore to be able to start to marry the electoral role with the censors, which of course is the National Survey of Australia until we have one in the next few months.
And in fact, the census gives us the best possible indication as to literally how many people rent, how many people own, how many people have an investment property in particular seats, meaning if there are high interest rates, you can start to do the sums on whether this seat's going to change or that seat's going to change. I love this Dart, I love these facts, and I love being able to go on the deep dive with you
very patiently while I was doing so. Is Susan Lee, the brand new opposition leader who joins us now after assuming the position and obviously also giving out the shadow cabinet positions today. Susan firsty, congratulations, thank you so much for joining us, and again strength and love from all of our viewers after the loss of your mum mate.
Thank you so much, Paul. It's been an incredible two weeks. But above all the privilege of leading the Liberal Party with the fantastic team that I have and that I reflected on today as I appointed my shadow ministry going forward. And it's interesting is David Little Proud and I walked
into the party room and walked back out. We were talking about flood affected communities in rural Australia and how we were both very keen to get out of that building and back into communities and sell our message about hope, about the future and about being a really strong and determined opposition that will take the fight up to this government.
So let's talk about again that the many different balancing acts when you come up with a shadow ministry again House versus Senate. Where is the person that they are taking them on, where are they questioning, Who's a new phase? All the rest of it. Right when you were making what have been considered to be tougher cause, So say somebody who may will have been very prominent in the last election but may not be as prominent in the next four months. What was you thinking there? Did you
have to start to bring forward a new generation? Were people being pushed because they were negatives? Give me an idea of hour you came up with the list.
You're right, Paul, it is a balancing act. But the talent in my party room is extraordinary. It reflects the broad depth of Australia's life experience across this amazing country, from the bush to the city and everywhere in between. So every conversation was about drawing on that talent, which is something I want to do for the future. Frankly, over the years I've been on the receiving end of
calls where I've gone somewhere else in the Parliament. I don't necessarily like the language of going up and down and the backbench being something that is not preferred from time to time. It's not, but everybody can play a role wherever they sit in the Parliament, and everyone knows what an extraordinary privilege it is to walk into either the Senate chamber or the House of Reps chamber and advocate for the things they believe in from wherever they are placed.
So it was.
Important for me to talk to my colleagues talk to my team and remind them that opposition is not a hierarchical game. We need all our players on the field, every single one of them, every day, because we've got a really big job to do and we've got a really big fight on our hands. Most importantly, we want to be the best possible opposition as a coalition everywhere in every corner of this country. We can be and we will be.
I do like again some of the four D chests that you've got to play here, which is putting the right people in the right jobs, but also who are they going to be taking on in the Parliament because the reality of opposition is making the most of the failures of a government, meaning in the very limited time that an opposition gets to be put on level pecking, which generally speaking, question time contests matter. And I really
like the ones that you've set up here. In Home Affairs it's going to be Andrew Hasty asking questions of Tony Burke. I like that, In small business it's going to be Tim Wilson asking questions of NL I like that. When it comes to energy, it's going to be Danteen versus Chris Bowen. I like when it comes to communications, it's going to be Anaka Wells versus Melissa Macintosh. How much did that come into your thinking?
Does? And that balance between the Senate and the House is something that you have regard to. It's not the be all and end all, but it's important. And I'll add another one. Mikaylia Cash who is now our Foreign Affairs spokesperson, sitting in the Senate as our Senate leader opposite Pennywong, and she will definitely hold her own and she'll definitely take the fight up to labor.
So about just into Nampa, jimper Price. There are obviously very warm feelings for most people who watch on this channel towards her. No doubt there is inside your party roop. She's now literally part of the broader team. It's specifically the Liberal team over the Nationals team. She's moving into a defense what you used to be called defense material,
which is defense personnel and also levels of defense procurement. Now, I actually think that this is a really interesting area and obviously a very rich one to be able to through things like Senate estimates to pull the government apart. But for those that want a specific answer about why do you seem to wear why do you seem to wear.
Well? I share those warm feelings for Jacinta and I want to make that very clear, and our party room does too, and we're delighted that she is now a member of the Liberal Party. I spoke to her before this appointment, Paul. She's very pleased to take it on. As your viewers know, and you advocate so strongly for the defense of our nation is crucial. It's critical, and it's one of the most important periods that we are
now facing as a country. It determines our prosperity. And defense industry, which you mentioned can be a great Australian success story and I certainly saw some of that in the previous parliament, so the industry aspects are vital. Working with Angus Taylor, who's taking on that senior senior role as our shadow Minister for Defense, they will be a
formidable team. And I'm really excited for Jacinta to take this next step and communicate and build the relationships she has been so successful doing up until this point and I know will continue to do now.
We've got a lot time to talk about many many subjects and certainly, of course your story is an exceptional one, from the shearer's cook to the person being able to do university degrees while being a pilot. There's a lot to talk about, and we are going to get to know you as Australia does in the next little while as the alternative Prime Minister. What I also want to talk about, though, is for those millions of people who
didn't get the election result that they wanted. There's obviously that sense of disappointment, but also there's a need to talk to the people who did not vote or may well have changed of the past couple of elections, considering, of course the win in twenty nineteen versus the result in twenty two or twenty five. I hate to quote him, but it's I think a good little way that he took to opposition, which was Bill Shorton saying first year was about the party, second year was about policy, third
year was about politics. Obviously, I'm not going to verbal you that the inspiration for the Susan Lee leadership is going to be Bill Shorton, because we can imagine how that's going to be immediately spun out of control. But how important is it to you that all three of those things look different in three years than they looked three months ago.
They're all important, Paul, and they're all important from day one. I certainly won't be stringing them out over a three year period. We will all be hitting the ground running. There's no doubt that we suffered a resounding defeat on May the third and Australians handed us a lesson. We have to listen to it with humility and we have to engage and meet modern Australia where it is. And when I talk about modernizing the party, I don't mean
moving to the left or the right. I mean meeting people where they are and understanding they're different initiatives, they're different wishes, they're different things that are important to them wherever they happen to live. Now, our policies are up for review, but our values are not. What I want to do in setting myself and my team up for
this important next stage is to spend time listening. I would love it if you and I could perhaps be on a listening town hall somewhere in this amazing country, and genuinely, listening is something that you do incredibly well, and you come out of those town halls and those meetings just filled with optimism because you know, what we see around us in the Australian people is very much worth fighting for.
So I do want to do that.
My team will be doing that, and we will be asking Australians what they want in us. But above all, this is an opportunity I believe for us to reconnect, to accept, as I said with humility, that we didn't meet the expectations of Australians and that we have work
to do. But as I've moved through this period of reforming the coalition with David littl Proud and the administration that you necessarily take on as a new leader, I just can't wait to get out there, out into the real Australia that gave me the gifts that I'm so privileged to reflect on today as leader and make me so determined and to want to give back to the country that has given me so much. So there's a lot of fighting to do and I'm up for it and I can't wait to get started.
Good stuff. Susan, thank you so much for the conversation tonight. There many more to come, and on behalf of the minions of people who definitely want a different result for the country. Go get him.
Thank you, good on you.
Mate, Susan Lee. They're the opposition leader joining us from Aubrey. What a crazy couple of weeks that she has had, all right, I said, benefit of the doubt of the team that has put in place. And I think some of those contests, including Angus Taylor in defense Angus Taylor versus are Richard Martins in between his private flights to Jeelong. I'm looking forward to this, all right, some political experience next,
and then the wonderful Meghan Kelly want to say. I told you we were going to talk tonight with people who have seen all the ups and all the downs of both opposition and government when it comes to their own careers and shadow ministries and ministries and leader of this and leader of that, and of course it is none other than the carry of a champ. That are none other than Brombin Bishop single carry over a champ, Sorry, my love. And of course so she gave me that look.
And Stephen Conroy just always gets close, but he's always get a help. So the really obvious and boring question was what do you think of? The interview's second most boring question is what do you think of the shadow ministry. So let's get to an interesting question as number three, what's your advice to people who didn't maybe get what they wanted today or even in the government reshuffle, And how do you if you are out Nicole bring yourself
into the center of things. Bromwin, what is the advice for maybe those people who are being pushed into more mentor role than minister role or shadow minister role. What do you think?
Well, the first thing is you've got to take it as it is, and then you've got to take the opportunities to have an impact and carve out of roll for yourself and what you can do from me, I went from the highest being thought to be the next prime minister, the leader of the opposition prime minister and preferred over Paul Keating and John Houston too, coming into the Parliament and seeing the change of leadership, and I didn't perhaps handle the first of that the best way.
But nonetheless you just get in there and then you pitch a new work hard and find opportunities.
And look, again, I know that I'm being a little bit again, I was talking about not happy talk again. I understand how eventually once you're rubbed, if you rubbed the wrong way many many times. Then obviously it ends up with the majority of your colleagues at one point in time saying time to change the leader. But Stephen again again, as one of the joys of you, guys is the experience of being on a back bench, into
the outer into the middle, back on the way. What's your advice again to those who either didn't get what they wanted, sideways or maybe up and down.
Look, the thing about politics is everybody has gets knocked over during the course of their career. But in politics the key part is not you know how easy is when you're on the up, it's how you manage when you get knocked over. You stand up, you dust yourself off, just sook a bit and you wander off into a corner and just ignore everybody. Or do you get up and as you've just said and promise that you've just got to work hard, you've got to re establish yourself.
I mean, I personally thought that Jane Human was one of the most articulate of the front benches for the Opposition over most of the last two and a half years. Unfortunately, she had what she would think, I'm sure is a disappointing election campaign, and she's now paid the price and she's on the back bench. But she will apply herself in the Senate and she will be good at what she targets, and she will rebuild herself, rebuilds her ability to land punches on labor, and I'm sure she'll be
back in the future. What she shouldn't do is go sookn off and thinking, oh woe is me. You know, your knuckle down, you get you know, you get back into it. There's plenty of Senate as much, plenty of Parliamentary committees, and plenty of opportunities to do media where she will be able to rebuild her career. Not everyone follows that approach. Some really throw the toys out of the cot, and some say or you know, all positions
weren't elected on merit today. I mean, at least she's still on the front bench, so I don't know what she's tossing the toys out of the cot over far more disappointed disappointed people in the Liberal Party today than just sent the price.
So I mean, let's talk about that. Just enterprise of it all is that I think, you know, obviously, if you know, if I'm making the call, but I'm not making the call right. It is that I think she's somebody that you want to keep at that highest level of shadow ministry, that being in the in the shadow cabinet. The silver line thing is that, yes it's not the highest of positions, but there's some absolute rich pickings and you both know to be both asking and answering questions
in centered estimates. Defense procurement in Australia is a shoka. It is a shocker, and if you turnover enough rocks, there's enough moments where you turn that into the rock star moment that absolutely makes the case for promotion undeniable. Am I right? Bromwin.
Absolutely, She's got every opportunity to shine. And it's interesting, very often when an opposition forms its ministry, there is no shadow cabinet, shadow out of ministry. It is just the shadow ministry want and it all works together. And that's more usual actually. But Susan's chosen to go this route. But that's no problem for your center. She's got plenty of opportunities.
Yeah, myth. All right, let's jump to a couple of things other things here, which is of course the super super innuation tax. For now, I am loving the number of people that are ramming at home and rapping the doors, and isn't it terrible and shaking the sky down? Awesome? Great. You know, we just had an election and he had an opportunity to make all of these points at maximum volume in the same but the number of people and I'm saying organizations that have come out post election, where
were you pre election? We know all of that, but we're now starting to get back into what I was talking about before, which was the intergenerational war of things. Ross Gittens turns around and says that it's just about rich old white blokes winging about, you know, their patch of coin. There's people on social.
Media talk about himself like that should saying, you know.
What, you know, this idea that all young people will end up paying it's rubbish because we're not paid enough. Rah rah rah. Your thoughts as somebody who was speaking loudly about it for the many weeks prior to the election.
But unfortunately I wasn't a minister with carriage of the issue where it should have been, and it should have been out there loud and bold and properly debated. There is no mandate for this tax, No mandate for it at all, because it was never debated, and for me, it's important to separate it out into two parts. There is a proposal to tax superannuation over three million dollars
at the thirty percent rate. That's one issue. The second issue is to introduce a brand new tax that has never existed before, and that is to tax the use. But that's a complicated term, I understand. Let's explain it out. That means that you will be taxed annually on any increase in anything you own by the tax offers. And you've got no payment and you haven't sold anything, but you're going to have to pay that tax every year.
It's a tax which is punitive with any moral impromata at all, and it should be the pressure should be on the government to scrap it.
With Stephen, let me guess we got ninety four seats and almost control of the Senate. That equals no mystery about the policy. Therefore, mandate is that your response.
Look, Robin was breathtaking. There. This is a piece of legislation that has been held up in the Senate for the best by six or twelve months. This has been debated uphill and down dale. It was absolutely front and center of parliamentary debates. It is impossible to say there's no mandate for this. This is like saying John Howard didn't have a mandate for the GST after he took it to an election in ninety eight. Of course he had a mandate.
I'm sorry, put this had made that front and center and.
I'm sorry Brian center and it has been debated at length. The fact that you take the advice to campaign on it, the fact that the Liberals wouldn't take your advice in campaign is a deep floor of theirs. But also arguing about only eighty thousand people who were impact on it this year. I accept the indexation argument. We're going to be all in the future.
Forgive me, guys again once we had my editorial, Susan Lee and all of those other things. Not enough time tonight, but I assure you into the future plenty, plenty, plenty. All right, quick break back with more with one of them, Meghan Kelly, who's got plenty to say about why Kamala Harris was on the Gold Coast this weekend our favorite time of the week to talk to our favorite person in the world, the wonderful Megan Kelly joins us from the United States. How are you, Rockstar?
I'm great? How are you look?
You know I'm always great, but I've just done a new level because Australia was touched by greatness in the past few days. You know, I know that this little old eye and continent doesn't make a lot of news around the world, but we were changed for the better because a true global leader just graced us with her presence for a day and a half. Kamala Harris was here and just an example of what you've missed out as a president. She was addressing a real estate conference.
I mean, we're lucky, aren't we to just get a little bit of this gold dust that the realtors of Australia are what bring her out of hiding?
Like for what lessons exactly? First of all, she's never been a salesperson. Don't you have to know sales and very well to be a realtor, Like that's their one of their greatest skills. You'd think they'd want somebody who is an excellent salesperson. She's never been in the public sector doing any sort of sales work whatsoever, other than her fake little stint at McDonald's. But let's face it, those burgers sell themselves. So what could be gleaned from her?
First of all, you got to be a little concerned that could be one thing if she and hot demand over here, and like she just made time for the Aussies, because that's out of the goodness of her heart. Nobody wants her, Like she had to go over there where her reputation didn't so much precede her in order to get a check. So, my friends, we need to be
a little bit more discerning in our invitations. And then the bits that I saw because originally earlier today at least it wasn't put out on video, so we were just getting little sneak peeks at it from what my friends over there, you know, got and put online.
It was just.
More inanity, saying absolutely nothing about anything, with a huge wind up to every single quote unquote point she was about to make. She makes you work so hard you have to sift through five hundred words to get to the flour that actually do have meaning. But then you realize that those two are entirely empty.
Now, I would like to suggest that somebody like Kamala Harris is basically just giving a version of the same speech wherever she goes, which of course is the laziest possible thing, and they get paid a huge chunk of change. Can I read from one of the newspaper accounts of what she said? Quote, oh, she said real estate agents could be considered quote civic leaders for their role in connecting buyers with suitable homes. She just turns up anywhere an insert industry or who I'm talking to and tell
them that they're civic leaders. They're flogging apartments around Australia and beachside on the Gold Coast. Civic leaders.
Please, I'm sure they don't even see themselves like that. Like they know a lot about houses and what would make somebody happy, and what's a good deal and what's not. But civic leaders. What is that? That's like your preacher, probably your mayor. You know. I don't know, some activist in talent who's taken up an issue that's important to the town, like no windmills offshore. I don't know, but
it's probably not the realtor. And that's just, of course her empty problem because CIA took her on as a client, this big agency that I used to be with too, and I'm sorry to tell you, but you guys were the only takers. So Soul was really excited until they found out like literally no one else wanted her. I shuddered to think what the check looked like. They cannot get her any gigs over here. No one wants to
hear from her. She not only could she not sell real estate the way the people listening to the show likely can, she couldn't sell herself. So why would you think she would have something of value to say to you about sales, which is the business of real estate. Like, she didn't win the presidency, she didn't win the nomination. Ever, she couldn't. She failed miserably when she actually did run.
She couldn't sell herself as an inspirational woman, nor as a woman from Puerto Rico or Jamaica or where else did where her accents from. She couldn't sell herself as any of those things. All she really is is an out of work lawyer. So I mean, maybe you should ask her about contract law. She might be able to say something valuable on that front. Otherwise there was a waste of everyone's time.
See, I was disappointed that she didn't try An Australian accent, because as you say during a campaign that she was you know, if she was in the south, she tried to sound a little southern.
And what was something your daughter?
Doesn't your daughter have a little piece of advice as to how you can try.
Yes, you can sound Australian. You say, rise of lights.
Rise of blights. Yeah, hi, I'm Kamala. Have you got any raise of lights? Say?
That would have worked?
It would have worked.
What I'm actually saying is rise up lights. I'm in American English. I'm saying rise up lights, but it translates into Australian English into razor blades. But I sound like a local, don't I absolutely?
And you are welcome on any of any of our conferences anywhere, and they'll pay you better than she.
Oh my god, I know I should be offended that I wasn't invited. First, I'm much bigger in Australia than Kamala Harris is. Where's my invitation?
Reeltors mate, I'll give you the tip. There isn't There isn't a town in this country where somebody wouldn't be willing to put you up in a spare bedroom. All right. That's the type of joint we are. You know, there's lovely hotels, there's beautiful resorts, but you know, come and stay at some maytewns.
Except always we'll be there. I'll bring my favorite pillow.
Thank you so much for watching. Now, before we get to the late debate, I think there's a good idea that's rattling around. The more China will continue to pollute the planet, the more likely it is that the effects of which are going to be all sorts of disasters that we have to deal with. That's just the reality. Remember Australia one percent of the world's problem one, China thirty three. Once you put together the rest of the third world, then you throw in America, then you throw
in India, then you in Russia. Forty five minutes of the sixty minutes of the climate clock are the actual problems.
Right.
As long as that happens, problems will ensue. But there's a really interesting idea disaster relief Australia. They want to put in place a floating army of former members of the Australian Defense Force who can be deployed to the various of natural disasters that happen around the country. This is on top of that volunteer service. I don't think it's a brilliant idea. Total cost to get to ten
thousand people who would be able to be deployed. They're not the army, they're not the sees, they're supplementary, would be about eighty seven million dollars, or a fraction of the two hundred and fifty million dollars that the government spend on itself last year in advertising. Surely that's the way to go, and surely that would be a good idea. We will be talking in the next little while to the disaster relief Australian people because I think it's a
good idea. As is to keep watching for the late debate