From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live, Thank you, Sharry, Yes, very powerful television tomorrow and Josh Friedenberg seven o'clock easton into Sharry straight after, who will of course have her traditional spectacular take, and she continues to move the ball forward on fearless stories. I love that lady, and I'm so pleased that she's there as the main meal to
our dessert, the entree to our main meal. I don't care how you're eit it, as long as you eat the full buffet, which goes of course from Chris Kenny all the way to read a penny before we've done each and every night. Now it is a public holiday
in the Act today. Did you not notice that we were without public service for a bit of day today because it's the start of Reconciliation Week, and today Reconciliation Day took place with all sorts of wonderful activities that I'm sure we're entertaining to everyone who was involved there.
But of course the reason Reconciliation Day, which always is a public hold, but is particularly marked at the moment, it's because, of course, the Act was the only place that voted yes last year in the Prime Minister's four hundred and fifty million dollar referendum. The only place in the country that voted yes Dor then territory where the indigenous population is quite significant, no where the paternalistic lefties
are well banged. Of course, a big win. And there's lots of events that will take place in Canberra, not just today but all week about Reconciliation Week, and school kids will be seeing this, that and the other, and lots of speeches. But what about outside of Canbra How are some people recognizing Reconciliation Week. Well, of course there's again events and speeches and all the rest of it,
but what about what's happening in our schools? This dad took to TikTok to explain exactly what your kids and grandkids are being told to do behind closed doors by the same people who teach them one plus one equals too.
My seven year old daughter came home today and she told me that her and her classmates had to participate in a group apology to the Stolen Generation.
Seriously, now, as you know, I've got a six year old and I've got a nine year old. I don't know what happens in their classes, you know, I've been in parks with the past couple of days, but I'll certainly be asking them about it tomorrow. I certainly like their teachers, and I don't expect that nonsense happening at their school, which is a public school. But clearly people are again trying to tell the story of Australia to
the youngest people amongst us in a certain way. That means it will be inevitable that it is invasion day, that there is no story whatsoever about every day after seventeen seventy, after seventeen eighty eight. Instead, these of course will become the future Greens voters, and then the future labor staffers, and then eventually the people that will be around in labor governments. But again that dad continues.
Now, I have no problem with any of my children learning about it. That's completely fine. What I won't tolerate, and what I won't accept, is any of my children being forced to apologize for something that they had absolutely nothing to do with.
What is unreasonable? What is unreasonable about what he said? And it's exactly how I feel, which is all of us wanted our kids to learn the truth, the real truth, as uncomfortable as it all is. But also we want to make sure that we have a scenario that every kid, regardless of their background, regardless of whether they have links to sixty thousand years or sixty days in the country, that they realize that together the history book is nothing but blank pages. It is to be written on together.
There's not a margin drawn into every page two hundred years into the future with what, of course took place more than two hundred years ago. But I've got to say, I think this dad speaks on the behalf of all dads and granddads when they hear this stuff. Okay, look, I get it. I get it. I understand. Maybe not the way I was taught, maybe not the way my parents were taught, but I get it. My kids are going to learn slightly differently. But I agree when he says this.
Stop playing your woke games with our children. Our children are already being welcome to the country that they're born in, and now they're being told that they're personally responsible for those horrific events.
Now here's what I guarantee. I don't know anything else about that guy. Apart from that TikTok video. I don't know anything else that's on his feed and anything else, but I guarantee you there'll be the little lefty hit job that's going to come out and work out or he said this thing two weeks ago and this thing through.
No.
That point there is what I focus on, and that I think is what the majority of people watching this program would agree with. Now the Prime Minister plays into this story because what was it that is one of his central promises and reasons for being where you can check his own Twitter feed to find that, the same Twitter feed that of course told us they were going to do something about cost of living. But still Australians deserve a government that leads and brings the country together,
not one that divides us against each other. From the bloke who spent four hundred and fifty million dollars on a national conversation that you bet you divided people where the people surrounding the Prime Minister called people dinosaurs, dickheads, racists, you get it, when it ended up being the majority of the population. Again, the Prime Minister very clear here, my priority is to bring Australians together. Take your pick that a vision has never been worse, and of course
all on his watch. Now a couple of years ago, the Prime Minister went to Ukraine where he carried with him the blank check on the behalf of our country to support Ukraine in its war with Russia. Now again, before the lefties run off and go oh that's a talking point, right wing talking point. He wants to abandon you. No, I don't. I'm not pro Russia in any way, shape or form. Right, Let's be very clear, they're the bad
guys in this fight, okay. And Australia, well, yeah, we're putting our money, but do we really need the selfies that go along with it. Well, of course we do, because this bloke is all about the selfie, all about the image. Right. But it couldn't be clearer. Olbows all in on helping Ukraine, right.
Will remain with you for as long as this takes.
So could somebody please explain that something that Australia has an awful lot of, which is coal, and the Ukrainians have asked us, not one, not two, not four, but six months ago for coal to be used in their power stations so they can keep the lights on and keep society as close to normal as possible in the middle of a war when they are being attacked relentlessly by Russia that we are ignoring the plea. Now again, this is not a Prime minister who's wanting to sit
on the sidelines. He's willing to go to Ukraine. Cut all the president, take the photo ops, hand over the money, Well why not the coal. Let's read from the stories which are around today in the Channel nine newspapers. The stark reality is, and this of course is the Ukrainian ambassador speaking here, is that the stark reality is that no power plant in Ukraine has been exempt from Russian targeting or not sustained damage. This is having a direct
impact on the Ukrainian people's quality of life. You would appreciate the need for energy security, including ensuring Ukraine's remaining hydro thermal generation capacity Kulfi power plants has increased as a result of the most recent wave of attacks. Therefore, I ask again for Australia's consideration. This is a letter from the Ukrainian government to the Australian government. Now, Penny Wong, of course, is an answering questions about all of this.
Who knows what she's up to right now, But spokespeople on her behalf say this a spokesperson for the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade. The Australian government is actively considering ways in which we can provide additional support to meet Ukraine's hype priority needs. Well, here's an idea. They've asked for our coal. They asked for it six months ago, five four, three, two one now months ago, yet Australia doesn't reply. Now, of course we all know that the
enlightened left where they can't stand coal. But if it is literally the difference between keeping the lights on or not in Ukraine, and we're supposed to be on the side of Ukraine, could somebody explain why we are not doing this. Deputy Prime Minister was out and about today he was asked in surprise surprise word salad came back.
Well, again, we work really closely with the Ukrainian government about how best we can provide support and provide it in a practical way. There's an absolute understanding in the conversations that we have with Ukraine about the support we're providing and how best we can do it, and that
includes both military and non military support. The support that we are providing now is very much focused on military support around allowing Ukraine to prosecute this conflict with Russia, and that is where our focus is, and that is where Ukraine wants our focus to be.
No, no, no, they want that focus, but they also want our coal. I keep using the term gas lighting because it's what evil people do to tell you that down is up and eventually you start to question yourself. No, the straight here, the black and white. The easy to understand is that the Ukrainian ambassador has leaked the letter to the newspaper because the government has not responded to
the request for coal for six months. Yeah, the Deputy Prime Minister turns around and says, well, we're actively working with them and we're giving them what they want. No, you're not how many issues, how many days, how many months?
Is this always the way where the government just pretends that what you can see with your your own two eyes you can't see that you are supposed to completely ignore what is before your own eyes, which is that the Ukrainian ambassador wants kal the Australian government won't give it to him. Why who knows if it's all linked to climate change and all the rest of it. I'll give you the tip when your country is being invaded by Russia, the priority of electric cars and renewable energy
goes out the back door. If this is the technology that is required to keep the lights on so they can plan the defense of their own country, give them the kaal. We'll talk about it. We've sent it a Matt Cannavan in a couple of moments time and what is going to be a big time debate tonight this Monday here on Paulmurray Life. Now we know where this government is headed and it is most likely towards minority status.
Now their assumption is that they can and bs and buy their way out and somehow hold on to a majority. But unlike previous governments which have had ninety MPs when they get swept into office, meaning they can make some unpopular decisions, burn a backbench, but still be in majority. This mob, remember, only won seventy seven seats of the election. They won a by election after that, so they have seventy eight seats in the parliament, which means they do
not have a massive backbench to burn. And every single first term government in modern Australian history loses grounded their first election. Now they may well come back at the second, or the third, or the fourth and become bigger and stronger and stronger. Remember John Howard won in ninety ninety six,
or the massive backbench. He burnt a lot of it in ninety eight, but then he even after losing the popular vote to Kim Beazley and Labry ninety ninety eight, he ended up winning the upper and lower houses in two thousand and four. But the history tells us that the most likely outcome of the next federal election is the Labor Party losing seats, and when they don't have that many to lose, we are talking about the almost
inevitability of a minority government. Now, the Prime Minister will try to tell you that he deserves to remain a majority government because they're giving thirty six dollars a week in average tax cuts and twenty five dollars a month in credits to power companies to take it off your bill.
We've said that our priority is cost of living, putting that downward pressure on inflation.
But how many times have we shown you, We shown you the data, we show you the reality. Too little, too late for an awful lot of people around the country. Just a quarter, remember, a quarter of the electorate says that the budget is actually going to help them positively when it comes to the cost of living. So they're all out there talking what they talk, but the reality on the ground is the government is certainly not living up to what it promised to be. Now, there's always
a question after a first term government. Well, we don't have a great history of getting rid of first term government, no matter how bad they can actually be. So yes, the minority question is just how deep do they go in a minority? Now, they'll be a couple of independence. If they're just a couple of seats short, then we'll be able to put them back in. And they're not particularly controversial, so they're not going to go that far
to the left. But the more seats they lose, the further out to the left they have to go through the Teals over to the Greens to stay in any sort of power. So poll in the Financial Review today really fascinating about how their data of this worked. It's a mix of sensus information. It's a lot deeper than just hey, if an election was held this weekend, what
would you do now? The suggestion is that Labor would lose seats right and they would be able to hold onto seventy three so they're well and truly going to be in the box seat for minority government. That's the reality, because the Teals don't look like they're going to go anywhere. The Liberal Party will win a little here, lose a little there, and I'll get into that detail in a second or two, but basically they're not going to be
able to get any win near the seventy six. So this is how I've mentioned for the whole time about our dissatisfaction and disappointment and agro at times with the Prime Minister, is that we're also sensible enough to know that the only way the coalition starts to get competitive is if there's some sort of data that shows this
that the Teals are melting away. Now, if the Teals melt away, then that fifty three number quickly moves into the sixties, and then there's a whole bunch of seats which in this margin are referred to as too close to call. But let's have a look here again with some detail. Had four or one thousand voters to who they spoke to, and then they mapped on a whole bunch of data on top of that, released the year
aut from the election. The pole of four thousand and forty voters across every lower House electorate shows the Coalition is on track to win some Labour seats like Robertson on the Central Coast Gilmore, which of course Andrew Constance is going for after getting votes towards him at a time when the Limbs were losing them at the last election, and they'd be able to continue on in being pretty
popular in Tasmania. Getting Lines which is the seat about the middle of Tasmania, the opposition looks like they haven't been able to sweep away the Teals. That said, in all of this there's nine seats that are referred to as too close to call. Now again, I'm not going to sit hit to night and tell you which way they're going to fall. But in all of that polling, fifty fifty fifty fifty fifty fifty fifty fifty fifty to fifty,
seat after seat after seat after seat. So the difference between a government being able to have a historic victory where they grow the number of people on their back bench, or they are pushed into such a position of minority that the Koks end up in charge rather than the Koks who are already in charge well, we'll all wait and see together. But the data, the data, the data is what we like to follow on this show, no
matter at times how disappointing it may be. We'd all like to see a change in government, certainly I would. I think this current mod's terrible and I think you'll turn Any prime minister will do an excellent job. But we follow the data. But it is close, very close. Nine seats, those nine seats, if they all go Labour's way, they bash way past the majority threshold. But the likelihood is that some of those fifty fifties, of course go the Coalition. But it's all about the Teals, whether they
roadblock them or not. Now I know everyone else has had something to say about this, And there's a very sort of clever little trick that they use over at Channel two, which is that if all of the programs at SKYE News at Night mention the same story, they
say they've talked about it for five hours in a row. Now, of course, you know, I'm not in charge of what the hour before says, and I'm not in charge of what the hour after me says, and I'm not in charge of what's two hours And you get the point right, But sometimes there are just stories that we know you're going to be interested, and yes, we're all going to have our little take on it. And a perfect example of that is Lefty Laura Tingle and what she had
to say at the Lefty Sydney Writer's Festival. Now, of course she was among the lovies, and she is one of the great high priestesses of ABC loveiness. At the moment, she's the president of the National Press Club, she's on the board of the ABC, so she's right at the
tippy top of her power. And she had plenty to say at the Writer's Festival, of course, all about big bad Peter Dutton and specifically the immigration conversation where Peter Dutton has decided that this country can take a little break from the record numbers of people that have been coming into the country so infrastructure and the housing industry can catch up.
We are a racist calcule. It's face that we always have been, and it's very depressing. But to give a license like that I find profoundly depressing and a terrible prospect for the next election.
Now, further to all of this, an incredible bit of sort of I've got to be honest racism comes out of her concern about racism. Let me play you this bit that you may not have heard thus.
Far for a major point the colly that us been saying, as Nicky says, you know everything that's going right with countries because of migrants, and you know a sudden flaship people turning up to try to read a property or at an auction and they look a bit different. What have you defined different as that? Basically he has given them license to be abused.
That is extraordinary. It's extraordinary because when's the last time she ever actually ventured outside the OsO white Canberra bubble. Because anyone in any part of suburban Australia, but the capital cities of New South Wales, Victoria, Queensland, you can name the rest. There are people of all different backgrounds, with all different parents from all different parts of the
world who were born in Australia. There is no one who is turning around and getting ready to abuse use somebody who quote unquote looks different than Laura Tingle and blame them for the house in Christ? Are they serious?
Now?
The reality again of the policy that Peter Dutton is putting in place, I'll get to in a second. But if honestly the dog whistle from the left is that if you have any conversation whatsoever about whether infrastructure or the existing housing market can just take another one hundred thousand, two hundred thousand, three hundred thousand people onto it without creating massive strain, Well that's a deliberate attempt to change
a subject. The idea that it's Peter Dutton's got some special dog whistle that can only be heard by the racists of Australia who will turn on the people who look different than Laura Tingle is an outrageously racist thing to say, and it shows the sign of a person who thinks that the suburbs are just full of people who all look the same like her, because maybe that's the last time she actually went into the suburbs. Whereas anyone who's grown up in the suburbs knows that they're
best mates. Parents might have come from Malaysia, but the kid is just as Aussie as you are, or the parents are just as Ousie as your I mean, come on, oh no, it's Peter Duttonheath's just doing the dog whistle. But also what I find weird here is that I've never seen a major party blame everything on migration. Well, where was she when the prime minister her clearly preferred prime minister, even though I'm pretty sure she votes Greens,
so eventually second preference. The Abanezi government is cutting immigration. Now I don't believe they'll actually end up cutting it by the numbers of their promise, but they're cutting immigration. And what does this prime to say is one of the reasons why we need to cut the number of people that are coming into the country. Oh, that's right, housing.
This is a response to the fact the system is broken. Do you think the.
Decision then would help housing pressures, for instance, to go to one.
Time and in addition to that, as well as the additional investment that we are putting into housing. Of course, that is part of the context of what we're dealing with here.
He says it's housing. Yet she goes to the Writer's Festival and it's all Peter Dutton, Peter Dutt and Peter Dutton a book, all of that rubbish. And again I just can't get back to this sort of odd little account of racism where she thinks the suburbs actually look like and how a whole bunch of white people are just waiting to turn on the person who looks different. So the Prime Minister is going to cut immigration because of housing. The old position leader is going to had
it even deeper when it comes to housing. But the policy that she didn't talk about in what the clip we've heard, she says it somewhere else in the speech. I'm gladly correct myself. But in all the comments we've heard. Of course, his policy on top of that is no foreign buyers are going to be allowed into the country, which is not an attack on people of a certain
ethnic or religious group. It doesn't matter whether somebody's multiple generations looking like Laura Tingle from the United States or the UK. Foreign buyers means anyone not in the country.
So the idea is that right now, when the rental situation is so terrible that literally lines around the block and more than one hundred people looking in every place that's available in semi regional places like Ipswich, that trying to take some people off that queue means there's a great chance that if you are looking at a property, you might be able to apply for the property and
hopefully get their property. Secondly, if you're only competing against your fellow Australians, regardless of what they look like, Laura, regardless of what language they may will have spoken at home, Laura, But you're not competing against somebody who's got the bluetooth in their ear and they've just got a bit of cashed up money from overseas. Then that's good for the
people that are trying to buy houses. For her part, you Senter Price, who always is a great way of cutting through all this garbage and going up and over the top. She nails it on the behalf of normal people.
I'm really disappointed in this continued narrative that is being pushed within our country that does not provide any sense of pride. It absolutely creates the vision and we had enough of it during the referendum and leading journalists, well supposedly leading journalists like Laura Tingle should know better than to use that sort of red trick.
But I'll be honest. I was talking to the team that put the show together and do we talk about this? Do we not talk about this? Not because other shows may or may not have talked about it, but because I make an absolute promise to you, nothing's going to happen to her. Instead, she'll end up going to the
award shows and being showered with more awards. She'll be able to do a whole bunch of side gigs where you get paid to give speeches or to sit on panel, you know, all of that stuff, right, She'll be able to write even more so, and because they're responding to the response, then we're wrapping our arms around nothing will happen. But I'll just say this as a little bit of a media critique. Now, I totally understand, totally accept and totally agree about the cultural worth of the institution that
is the ABC. I also understand the importance of its
role in news and particularly long form current affairs. But what annoys me is that the people who are supposedly sitting in the middle, being independent and are able to have side gigs that only come about because of the main gig, where they tell us all their opinions and then pretend they don't have those opinions when they go on air in the same way that they are told please don't just splurt out what you think about the world on social media, because it affects how people view
you when you're on our television, our radio, our communication network. The same should exist when people go off and do the little side gigs at the Sydney Writers' Festival or the Festival of Dangerous the Ideas or Vivid or any of the other seven hundred places where all these people get to say that they're really courageous because everyone agrees
with them every time. Now I know how this plays out, where of course we'll be searching for the reason to have a little cracket Sky News or a little crack at the fat bloke on Telly. And that's fine. I don't have a glass jaw, come as hard as you want, but someone somewhere should realize that it's a little out of when you're able to be basically a star on Channel nine or sixty minutes without the ads, and you got all these other little side gigs that only come
about because of the main gig. But of course, as I say, she'll be nominated for Australian of the Year and may well win it, because how dare anyone call her out on what she actually believes or how misleading it is. Doesn't talk about the government's position. That's also
about housing. It's all about Peter Dunton. And then there's that weird thing that apparently the suburbs are just full of white people and the second they see someone who looks different than Laura Tingle, they're going to start having a crack. Please. Ridiculous Now. Also worth talking here is defense now. Richie Sunak, the UK Prime Minister, has got a weird idea and I know some people support it and some people often come up and talk to me
about let's bring back national service. Well, twenty twenty four not going to happen, all right, Do I think yes, young people should learn and self lesteners, Yes, of course, But the idea of it being forced on them in the twenty first century, it's not going to work. But of course Jackie Lamby turns around and says, oh, it's a great idea. It's fantastic. Everyone should, you know, do do what I do. Here's what she said today.
I don't want to scare you. I just want you to have some skill sets where, especially with national disasters. I'm weaking and user for domestic use and we can go, hey, guys, twenty four hours, grab your packs, go and help out there. We've got a massive flood. We've got people disorientated out there. They're everywhere, come and help us out.
Oh god whatever. Anyway, there was another story around around defense that isn't as exciting for Jackie to talk about, and it is they are going to because Australia's defense force. Of course, the numbers are starting to fall. They have been falling for a while. It's hard to hold on to people or to get new people, so much so that actually at one point Australia was thinking about getting people from the Pacific Islands to end up joining our
defense forces. Well, story over the weekend is we are lowering the bar for people who are going to be able to put their hand up and apply to be part of this running defense force. Now, some of these things like braces and other medical issues no real red flags for me. However, I want to be sensitive here about mental health. Some people have been automatically turned away
for a bunch of things connected to mental health. But of course the stress that is on members of the defense force is in part why pretty tough standards have to be in existence for mental health. But the bar is being lowered now. If you have non suicidal self injury as a result of mental illness, you will now be able to make it through to the next level. If you have a history of ADHD, you will move
to the next level. If you have adjustment disorder, for example, somebody who needed counseling after things like COVID, you too will be able to move to the next level. Now, my concern here is not about how rock hard our soldiers are. It's not about whether people from diverse or difficult life circumstances should be given the privilege of defending our country. Anyone who wants to defend our country, I
admire you in the trying. But one of the reasons why you have to have certain standards is because what's life going to be like on the other side of your time and the defense force. How many times have we talked about veteran suicide in this country. Now, of course I'm not going to be stupid enough normous leading enough to suggest that somebody with any sort of history of mental illness is definitely going to end up in a difficult place after their time and the defense force.
But if there's an awful lot of people who had no history of mental health disorders in any way, shape or form end up going through the system and then of course completely collapse after it, feel alienated and end up taking their own lives. Then is that the time to start changing the standards at the front end of people coming in when it comes to things like mental health issues. Now I am incredibly sensitive about the issue. I know how significant it is, and if people are
on top of it, that's great. But the reality is that people in the past have been able to make it into the Australian Defense Force because they do not have any of those issues. If we're not going to start to change that and lower the bar, we're going to get ourselves into trouble. Mark my words, but of course my words will always be marked, especially with by other people who want to deliberately misinterpret them. Something not so serious, but still something I need to talk about.
Toilets flushing away what we must. There's been good picture. I was worried about which one where we're going to find anyway. We all know what it's like. But that's what a toilet looks like apparently, and that's how you make them work. Now, the sewer system in Sydney, when people flush things down that aren't the obvious, well guess
what ends up happening. Things called fat burghers end up appearing now what these are are a collection of lord, horrible stuff that is not the stuff you're supposed to go flush. And the Daily Telegraph worked offs of information for Sydney Water that was kind of weird. Vapes, false teeth, and I'll get to the kayak are some of the bizarre things that people have been flushing down the toot. In the first four months of this year, Cruise attended
thirty seven hundred jobs. The chow points cost about twenty seven million dollars a year, and basically they say, unless it's the obvious, don't flush it down the toilet. Some of the stuff that's been found being flushed away tee towels, kids, toys, rags, face masks, lolly wrappers, sanitary items, duct tape, plastic bags, golf balls, nappies, jewelry, teeth, ka kis, crayons, and yes,
a kayak. Could somebody please tell me how a kayak ended up in the stormwater system and then then made its way through the sewerage network, unless, of course, it's somebody's really creepy idea of working out how they can have fun on the weekend. Now, before we get to our debate and why Cole is being held off from Ukraine and a whole lot more. Donald Trump. Big week
for him, just went through the Libertarian conference. Now, libertarianism is difficult to explain, but sort of imagine freedom squared here. It is explained in the best possible way on YouTube. And that's why he was talking to a bunch of libertarians on the weekend. What is libertarianism?
Internet Libertarianism is a political philosophy that advocates for minimal government intervention in the life of individuals and the economy. It is based on the belief that individuals have the right to exercise autonomy and freedom of choice as long as they do not harm others.
You know, crazy stuff, of course not. But look, they get into issues when it comes to drugs and weapons and whether there should be a Department of education. But it's a group of people who are generally speaking in the traditional spectrum, are people who are available to the right, which is why Donald Trump turns up and didn't they love him? Yeah?
How cool.
But the big event for him this week is of course that he's going to be back in court Tuesday American time, which of course will be Wednesday morning Australian time is when the closing arguments will be made. There's a public holiday over there. I don't think it's to doue with the reconciliation week. No, of course, it's due with Memorial Day, something similar to our Anzac Day. Closing arguments in the case will take place on Tuesday, and we could be off to a jury deliberation by the
time you wake up on Wednesday. By the time we have our conversation with Meghan Kelly later in the week, he may well be found guilty, certainly if MSNBC has any.
Say, and the prosecution is going to say, hey, this is common sense. We're talking about a guy, Donald Trump, who watched Do you really think that he would have been cool with all this money going out of his account without knowing it? Do you really think he would just reimburse four hundred and thirty thousand dollars or whatever that number is without some knowledge about what was going on.
Of course not. So it's a common sense case, and I suspect that it's going to be successful, apart from the.
Fact that everything he just said is not the actual case. Remember, it's about the bookkeeping of the money, of which no one has been able to directly tie him because the bookkeeper has deliberately not been introduced as a witness for the prosecution because they think he would back up Trump's version of things. Big wake ahead at a big debate moments from now here on Paul Murray life, thank you so much for watching. Here we are in conversation with
none unlovely Sam Crosby joining us as always. How are you great?
Hello?
Mate? And his Monday mate? Who's the carry out a champ? No? No, of course, Senator Mechanis.
I saw he's gone.
Where's he gone? He couldn't copy anymore? I think you might be about to come the Lord mir Or Melbourne. But anyway, now let's talk. We're Senator. So Ukraine have asked for six months for coal. Australia won't even respond to the request. Yet the deputy prime ministers out there today say, oh, you know, we're giving Ukraine everything that
they need. Is this philosophical or is there some sort of strange logistical reason that the government can't tell private companies what they're going to do or they don't want to pay for it? Why is Ukraine not getting what they're asking for?
Well, the only explanation is it's ideological. And the government doesn't want to be seen I suppose to be doing anything with coal, even when it could make a huge difference to someone we have support, try to support facing overreaching Russian aggression. I mean, I don't understand this at all. This request is now six months old, it was made before Christmas. There no reason why the Albanizi government shouldn't have been able to act so quickly, as quickly as
the Morrison government did. Ukraine made a similar request early on in the war and a shipment was arranged I think through white Haven Cole within months.
So this can be done.
I'm sure Australian coal companies would cooperate and help where they can to support Ukraine, to support the Australian government's objectives. But the government doesn't seem to have lifted a finger this. I did raise this with them before Christmas, when the repest came in. I spoke to the Ukrainian ambassador and I was assured they were looking into it. But nothing's happened and there's no good explanation for it. So I just add too here, Paul, it's a lesson to our
own country. Ukraine, to my knowledge, have not asked us to send any solar panels over. We've got lots of them. We've got a lot of wind turbines, so they haven't asked for any of those. They need coal to secure themselves for their military objectives. And yeah, look we're very lucky in this country. We don't face the kind of
threats Ukraine do. We obviously see the tension rising in our region and it just goes to show how important it is to secure our own natural resources and stop with these green fantasies.
Yeah, I mean, going off what match you said, Australia has already done it before, Sam, So it's not like some new supply chain needs to be invented. And when Matt says the only reason could be ideological, let me profer another one and Dan, I don't know, but the other reason could well be economic. So it's not as though Australia. You know, the Australian government runs coal mines. We don't own shipping lines, we don't you know.
So what we won't buy it to the federal government, you'd have no of course i'd sell it, but you'd have to buy it. And I think the point Males was making today is when he went over a couple of weeks ago they were saying the thing, we really need to air defense systems and you know all the other stuff that we see.
But if the ambassador see this is what they're asking for.
Sure, and two weeks ago when he was in Ukraine and he was meeting with the Defense Minister and various other people.
They can ask for both. Sure they can get bush Masters.
And I understand the point. But if Australia's resource is you know, financially constrained, cat and we're not just going to say you can have a billion dollars, you can have a billion dollars. Everyone gets billion dollars. I don't know this right, but I'm reading between the lines of what Miles is saying. And we have done it before. I can imagine that one.
New private jet for the Prime minister, not to just put off the second. Mean that's a lobe. Yes, come on, no, no, no, I just so yes.
I know.
Anyway, Now let's talk here about Laura Tingle just for a second. Again. Soon as you talk about it, you just add more. And she's the high process, one of the high processes of the left, and already sort of automatically infects you know she will be awarded Australian of the Year because of the evil people who've criticized her.
But can we just play the second grab that we played in our editorial, which was Matt this weird idea that I can't believe major a political party is saying everything's about immigration and I fear the idea that somebody who doesn't look like Laura Tingle will get set upon by people at a rental inspection or at a at an auction, that all hell's going to break loose again. Here's what she says for a.
Major politicality that's been saying, as Nicky says, you know, everything that's going wrong in this country is because of migrants. And as a sudden flash of people turning up to try to rent a property or at an auction and they look a bit different, what do you define different? As basically he has given them license to be abused.
I've got to deal with the boss not to swear, but imagine what I'm thinking right now, as in I don't think those comments come up to pass any sort of pub test. But again, at the heart of it, right firstly, the government is also cutting immigration. I don't think they'll actually end up doing it also in part
for the rules of housing. But what sort of it gives us an insight that they fight these fantasies and then they try to bend the narrative to make the opposition in this case look like the fantasy that they're fighting.
Well, we are a conclusion you can or from what Laura is saying there as she believes in completely open borders and no control at all, or just let anybody who wants to come to a country come at any time in any position apart from that is apparently racist. Well, look, Laura's welcome to opinion. I don't think too many Australians would share that opinion. We have a border, we have a country. We have every right, like every other country in the world, to protect that border and to decide
who comes to this country. And as famously John Howard said, the circumstances which they come they're still smarting from John Howard, some of these old Cold War if you're like our lefties, they're still smarting from that. But John Howard won that argument, and thank god that we did protect our borders. When you look at what's happening in the US and in Europe, at the moment through the Mediterranean. We are so lucky
in this country to do that. But look, apart from just jumping on the Laura pylon here, as I say, almost everyone who disagrees with her, I think the biggest lesson out of this is the monoculture that is the ABC. They love multiculturalism except when it comes to their own organization. If there are other people within the ABC that were taking the the view I've just stated that, You've just stated about the need to control borders, and Laura's got
this other opinion. Look fine, I can deal with different opinions. I don't care if Laura's got a particular view. It doesn't make me loose sleep. But I do get pretty upset that we waste a billion dollars a year an organization that is a monoculture when we actually have a multicultural country. We have different opinions and different views. Why can't they be represented on our public broadcaster that we all pay for.
So again, Sam, at the start of the show, I talked about the understand like as a person who's seen kids go through the ABC Kids machine all the rest of her, I absolutely get the value right. I'm not somebody who ever sits here and goes for the red meat, I'll sell it off all the rest of it, right, But I find it particularly ignorant this idea that she seems to think the suburbs are just all white people, and then somebody who turns up and isn't white, it is going to be set upon. All of us in
any major capital city have got mates, friends, option. It would be odd if it was just white people, right, and then that's so what fear she like, So she's talking about in Australia that doesn't actually exist, that she's afraid of turning on the Australia that again doesn't exist.
You would expect the ABC's chief political correspondent to have a degree more subtlety than she had more nuance, you know, I actually, you know, I agree with the broad thrust of what she was saying about Peter Dutton, but.
Got the same policy. I apologize.
I'm a sworn on Labor Party member. You would kind of expect me to say, you know, liberal bad labor good. So yeah, I would absolutely expect the chief political correspondent for the ABC, the Australian broadcasting channel, to to have a degree more nuanced than I think she had just.
There's but again, right again, they'll all be around it, all those terrible people. But here's the thing again, opinion cool, fine, fair enough, right, But the idea that you get to have the cake and eat it too, of being the you know, the independent person on Channel two and then the side gig you're able to spout off as if she was me. Quick break back with more here on pull my life now. I love hanging out, but for
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It's gone news dot com dot au. Now let's continue the conversation right now with Sam Crosby, and we'd Senator Matt Canavan. Now, Matt, I'm going to go speed round here. You know, Queenslanders, I wish I could have the blood transfusions to become one if the process is ever put up in place. Don't worry, I won't bolt billet. I'll pay with my own cash. How many people are actually
going to fall forward? The Queensland government spending millions of dollars on turning transport fares into just fifty cents between now and the election.
Look, I think these sort of policies smack of desperation. You never see anything like this but for a flailing government just six months out from election, and to me raises the prospect of why we do we have fixed for you to This government's on life support. Now I'm doing great damage to the great state of Queensland. There needs to be an election asap, like Rishie Schuntznak has had over there in the UK. That needs to happen
and we should have one here in Queensland. But instead we're just dragging this on and more and more poor policies are probably yet to come.
Yeah, correct, Look, the only hope is that some of this stuff, which of course is all promise basically between now and the election, means they are going to burn away that costs. But whatever they promise into the future now. Sam I mentioned some polling at the start of the show, all very scientific and over the top of it where they ask people questions, but then they check the sense of data and who's moved here and who's moved there. The central question for those of us who talk about
politics is labor majority unlikely, Labor minority likely. How deep the minority is depends on how far out to the left the PM has to go to remain the Prime minister. However, there's a lot of data inside all of this that a lot of people haven't spoken about, which is there's a lot of seats at a fifty fifty to fifty to fifty fifty to fifty fifty to fifty, which means okay, if it all falls Labour's way, historic first term, Yay, everyone was wrong, We're amazing. Most likely it'll split fifty
to fifty. What do you think?
Look, I think at the moment you absolutely cannot do seat by seat polling when the AEC is yet to release the boundaries or even the draft boundaries for the new for the new seats. So we know that New South Wales is losing a seat, we know that Victoria's losing seat. We don't know where that's losing. We know everyone's got their hot take, but we don't know where.
We know that one of those seats is going to Queensland, and one of those seats is going to Brisbane, going to wa Where those seats are going to be dropped, no one knows.
And also the reality of the boundaries is that a seat that was fifty to fifty the last election moves it away and it gets a little bit more late, all goes a little bit more.
So you know, everyone around the Northwest and West are looking really keenly at this because you move two or three streets over all of a sudden, your safe seat becomes desperately marginal, or if it goes two or three streets the other way, it suddenly becomes very safe.
So who knows, So put a put a pin in. Let's have this discussion a couple of months. All right, good stuff, Thank you very much, Sam, Thank you very much, Senator. We'll see you all again next week for another go round the late debates up in a couple of minutes from now here on Sky News. Thanks for watching. Don't forget ask me anything in sky news dot com dot Au. We'll answer at all on the sky News app, which just five bucks a month. Check out sky news dot
com three All right, before we go. I can't stand the amount of money that state governments have around the country to pay for events. Now, a lot of governments do things like in South Australia, Oh, we're going to pay x million dollars to the AFL so we can have gather around. Literally, the WWE is being paid money by the West Australian government to have the events there. The Elimination Chamber in New South Wales they are paying
money to the UFC, So the UFC holds events in Sydney. Well, guess who's now getting on it on the Action Australian Sporting codes so much so that there is a dispute right now between Cricket Australia and the MCG about whether or not the taxpayers of Victoria will pay for the Boxing Day Test to be on Boxing Day in Victoria. Now at the moment, the Victorian government saying no, sorry when if you want to move it, that's your core, but we're not paying for you to keep it. And
you know what, I completely agree with them. Someone somewhere has to say no. Now. They'll always tell you there's an economic upside, and yes sometimes there were, always is. But the idea that Cricket Australia is trying to hold the proverbial gun to the head of the Victorian taxpayer over the Boxing Day Test. If it disappears for once, it won't be Victorian Labour's fault. See tomorrow