From the Skying In Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
Holo Mate, forgive me too hot for Jackets Tonight We've got a big one ahead, including the great Nigel Ferrars joins us a great debate as expected. The first, let's getting the stuff that's around today now, as we know, the Prime Minister seems like he's heading for a brick wall when it comes to the upcoming federal election.
Why because it just.
Doesn't matter what he thinks or what he says about how amazing everything is. The reality is that, as we've told you before, austraightas wealth gap is heading towards its worst inequality since the nineteen fifties. As you've heard multiple times, and we've been talking about it for as long as
it's been part of the mix. We're in a per cap at a recession, meaning that okay, they are able to find a way to say that the country is ever so slightly growing, but not when it comes to you and I, because but simply, the wages of most normal people is not matching the cost an increased cost of everything. The only exception is often things when it comes to the public service, which has exploded under this government.
More than thirty thousand people have been hired by the federal government, and everyone working for the public service, including the politicians, have got pay rises.
In the case of the.
Politicians, they have got three pay rises since the last election. You and I obviously not the same. In fact, as the Australian newspaper had on its front page this morning, the graph that we may have quickly flashed at you before, but I want you to see again, this is the overall picture about households. We are going backwards. The costs go up, the income goes down, meaning the deficit gets larger.
The one thing that the Prime Minister and his Treasurer have said over and over again that is the proof about their incredible economic management, is the document where they don't have to actually count everything that they spend. As we know there are tens, probably hundreds of billions of dollars which are off budget, much of the spending that
Chris Bowen's been putting in place. And as they're able to get a massive increase in iron oil receipts, as they're able to count the profits of the Future Fund, they've been able to say this for the past couple of years.
The Albanesi Labor government has delivered a second consecutive budget surplus.
What we've done is produce a budget surplus and followed it up with another budget surplus.
We haven't chosen between cost of living relief or budget surpluses.
We've been able to do both.
We have delivered back to back budget sources.
And for those that are cheering on in the press gallery, they think that that is enough. Now, this is a little bit like the people who thought that Kamala Harris was a chance against Trump because the numbers that were coming out of Washington, well, they were getting better by the week and.
By the month.
The reality, of course, is that while even if inflation, say, didn't go up at all in the next quarter, it has gone up by a significant amount since this government started. Now they're going to say, well, it's started to come down, but remember, as we've said before, you add one quarter on top of the other quarter, on top of the other quarter, on top of the other quarter, and that's how you end up with eggs that end up costing
thirty percent more than before this mob came to power. Well, this distraction, this excuse, looks like it too, is about to go up in smoke. The reality is that, as I have told you on budget nights, during all of this government's term, the budget is in what is called a structural deficit. That put, simply, they keep adding so much spending to the overall commitments of the federal budget that you need to keep revenue going up by the same amount. But that may well not end up being
the case. As you've heard a couple of times, I want to add a little more to what Peter was explaining to you a bit earlier this evening about access economics. Now, generally speaking, give will take a few billion here or there. They're generally in the same spot as the government, or certainly they're in the right spot.
More often than not.
They say over the next few years that there's a twenty seven b four billion dollar difference between the budget where it sits and the budget about where it's going to go. And that's not extra revenue. In fact, it is extra spending. And this, by the way, is what we should be talking about, not over the next five to ten years, but over the next twelve months. The estimates for this year's budget deficit, which Chalmers said in May, would be twenty eight point three billion is more likely
to be thirty three point five billion. Why commodity prices are falling company tax collections as well as inflation is pushing up the overall cost of government services, meaning the revenue is starting to fall but the expenses are not. And thankfully the Financial Review made this even simpler for everyone to get our head around now, as you can see the difference between the blue line, which is where the access economics people are modeling things, versus the red
of the Treasury. Now they say here that while we will be headed towards a budget deficit, Deloitte says it's going to be deeper than.
What the Treasury says.
Now.
Remember, Treasury often gets it wrong. In fairness, they often undercount. But the suggestion here by Deloitte is that rather than undercounting in some ways, they are overcounting. The rosier picture that the government is trying to pick about its own financial circumstances and after the next election things get particularly bad. This is not because the amount of money coming into
the government is not at record levels. In fact, if you have a look at the expectations for twenty twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven and twenty eight.
We hit record levels. Now.
By the way, just have a look at Australia. Are what two thousand and twenty two, at the change of government, the total government revenue was about two hundred and fifty billion dollars. They're now at four hundred billion dollars in the space of just a couple of years.
Now.
Our population has not exploded despite the best effort of this government. However, fiddles and changes to the tax system mean that taxation revenue has increased. But look what has also increased. Back in twenty twenty two, six hundred and fifty b four billion dollars was how much the federal government was spending. The expectation here is that by twenty twenty eight it'll be eight hundred and fifty billion dollars. That's what I refer to as the structural deficit. The
spending is exponential in its growth. The revenue, while still heading up very quickly, is not matching the same rocket ship. Which is why we get to the Intergenerational Report, which was released though I think about a year ago, and this was the insight into Australia's true economic future, and it showed budget deficits every single year all the way through the twenty thirties, the twenty forties, the twenty fifties, and the worst budget deficits into our future are in
the two thousand and sixties. The Australian population by two thousand and sixty is expected to be the best part of forty four zero million people, so the government will be doing a good job of trying to get more revenue because more people equals more taxes, despite the fact that more people equals more pressure on government services, and then you need even more people than that to pay for those government services when the people who are paying
tax in twenty and sixty start to retire. It's why Dick Smith refers to it as a Ponzi scheme. So while the Prime Minister has been able to say that because they have been kissed by lightning for a couple of years in row Odd's excellent economic management. But unless you are willing to retool the fundamental ingredients in the budget, that unless you keep having these lucky spikes of income, then the baked in spending overtakes it and you go
to a deficit sooner rather than later. It means that while they stand up today and say haven't we been amazing. We've either saved or paid off one hundred billion dollars worth of debt that all of that automatically gets thrown away because just like inflation, is a price increase on top of a price increase in top of a price increase. And some of them may have been this big on top of some of them that may be this big on top of some of them that might be this big, it's.
Still a price increase.
A budget deficit on top of a budget deficit on top of a budget deficit on top of a budget deficit adds to debt. Come we have a look at those numbers again. The expectations about the twenty twenties, the twenty thirties, the twenty forties, the twenty fifties, and the twenty sixties is that the joint keeps going into debt. Every one of those little graphs are not side by side,
but instead are on top of each other. So this government may well be running out of excuses, which is why in part they are trying to get to an election sooner rather than later, and it's why they will not be delivering a federal budget because the most likely outcome of a next federal budget to be delivered in May as expected March as maybe is that we would be in deficit, and according to Deloitte, those deficits are deeper and longer than Grimjim is letting on as for
your circumstances, which have not changed for the past three years and certainly not in the past couple and a bit years almost three years of this government. Is the problems when it comes to cost of living.
Now.
I know for some people boring to keep talking about it, but it is the fundamental vein that is running through any and every problem that exists for many and most Australians. And the Prime Minister, just like about budget surpluses, can pretend that two budget surpluses versus forty years of budget deficits is a reason to trust him. He can say cost are living as many times as he wants. This is how many times in question time alone, Labor tried to say it over and over again.
Now, if those opposite really cared about housing and cost of living, they'd support this investment.
In terms of the question that was asked as well about costs and cost of living.
I attack or a bit of help that we're giving Australians with the cost of living.
This government promised that things would be better today than when they took office. I'll show this to you every night because I want this image to be burnt, not just into your retina, I want you to go and find it and show it to the friends who would even think about rehiring the people who promised that cost of living would be lower under a labor government.
Yet how many indicies.
It is terrible those trying to pay off a house twelve interest rate rises.
Oh but if it goes.
Back to eleven, then somehow, magically, everyone's going to think the Prime Minister is great at managing the economy if somehow they can flum yet another budget surplus, somehow will ignore the settings that mean we are in for budget deficits for the next forty years. It was a company, and thankfully your country is not a company. We all know what the future of that company would be. Let alone its board of directors, let alone it's CEO.
Last night on Q and A.
Every now and then their bubble gets pierced with somebody talking about the reality.
Of this issue.
And if there is a shock result at the next federal election, there are no breadcrumbs that need to be learnt. There is a bakery sitting in the middle of the road.
My husband and I we're grocery shop. I mean, the grocery shop is just staggering. And I don't know personally knowing a number of people who don't have a house, they're paying rent every week, and if they've got a couple of children, how do they pay rent? Pay all these heavy tolls, huge grocery bills, education, I mean medical that the list just goes on, and I think people are get to the point where they've lost all hope in there being a better way of life than what they're experiencing now.
And I know this message is relentless. It's because the issue is this Christmas is going to see again people having to make choices about what they spend money on because they don't have the disposable income, because they are in the household recession that has now gone on for the best part of the entirety of the time that this mob have been in power. There is just very little money that is left. Channel nine did a survey of the people on its website and it says no presence,
just cards. How Ousie's embracing for cost of living Christmas. The survey of their people on their website, so again not scientific but indicative, showed forty nine percent of readers are going to be cutting back on gifts, food and drinks due to cost of living. One reader said, the rise in costs of groceries and general living has put a damn on Christmas. Sadly, the exchange of gifts this year will be at an all time low.
It is so disappointing.
In graph form you can see that forty nine percent of people say and agree with the sentiment that living costs are forcing you to host a budget Christmas this year. For thirty six they're okay, and for a significant number of people they just don't know. Yet Again, inside the article, some survey of respondents noted that they can barely afford every day expenses, low bills and groceries, and paying for
Christmas feels like an impossibility. But guess what the reason this becomes a political problem for the Prime Minister is. The cost of living Christmas of twenty twenty four is on top of the one from last year. The stories from last Christmas where yes, Christmas will be more expensive this year. The National Australian Bank, more Australians planning for a low cost Christmas, and on top of the twenty twenty four in the twenty twenty three what about the
twenty twenty two Christmas? How much more Christmas dinner will cost in twenty twenty two and the ABC cost of living pressures mean Australians are having a fruit Christmas this year.
That's why it doesn't.
Matter what they say in question Time, when will this get through to the full time political protecteds protectors of the Prime Minister in the media that as much as he'd liked to turn around and say, oh, we've got all these incredible cost of living achievements, including two little two tax cuts that remember for the people who truly need them. The most people in and around forty thousand dollars were fourteen dollars a week. They turn around and say, well,
that are there's in free take places. Great, I don't have a problem with that, But that's not millions of people that get access to that, oh cheaper childcare. Again, the extreme majority of people don't access that, oh a cheaper medicines. Again, the extreme majority of people don't involve themselves in that system. And it does mean that, yes, for some on the margins, they have a policy to be able to turn around and say, look, how we helped.
But one thing that has been relentless over the past couple of years, of course, is the cost of electricity. And we get to that in a moment or two's time. Regardless of whether you are a pensioner, a young single person, a student living in a sharehouse, or your classic you know, two point four kids and a dog and a white picket fence, the cost of everything from petroling your car to ensuring the car, to paying off the house or paying the rent way higher than anything this government has
done to try to square the ledger. And then there's that number that just won't go away, the one that's been stuck in my head and will be every day between now and the next federal election, that the kid from Housing Commission has observed and ran an Australian economy that has produced three million people who are this close to homelessness. A bloke who has the arrogance to turn around and say, because it's to his political benefit, not to the reality of the time, that the worst is
behind us. It's like a doctor walking in and saying, oh, I guess what you can to free because I'm two days away from going on vacation, where the reality is you're just as sick as you ever were. The Prime Minister even had the stones to say this in question time today.
People would have been in a much more difficult position if they didn't have their wages going up, their costs going down, and in placing coming back to where it should be.
Again, this Canberra centric idea that the headline figure is all that matters, when the reality is that the headline figure turns around and says that our economy is growing by zero point one percent, and then you actually dig inside and largely it's government spending, including the hiring of tens of thousands of more public servants or pay rises for public servants that mean the Prime Minister can turn around and say, overall there's been some significant wage rises.
Have you got one, as the family member who you know is struggling, got one? Of course, not I old inflations back to where it should be, because again for them it's just a giant arc, but for you, it's one month on top of one month on top of one month on top of one month on top of one month, which is why people complain like they do. It's why they can't be spun. It's why this is the determinant issue at the next federal election. We'll see whether the Liberal Party can be trusted to have an
alternative vision. They need to have one, otherwise just pointing at the problem is not going to help. Again, if you want to look to the American election for some sort of answers here, and I'm not saying everyone's.
Going to pull a Trump.
Remember what his position was, No tax on tips, I'm going to harve your electricity bills because we're going to go back to the fossil fuels which push down the prices. No tax on social suit. There was an alternative financial offering that was on the table. It'd be nice to see the alternative government start to put that vision in place, because when they they do, then the election outcome, in my view, is not going to be a big question anymore.
People are ready to break up with the prime minister who was bs than and had the wrong priorities for too long, and it doesn't matter whether he's been there for one term or sixteen terms. When they turn on you, they turn on you. When they stop listening to you, They stop listening to you, and it doesn't matter how great your scare campaign is or how many people write the opinion pieces in favor of you, because look what happened with Kamala, Look what happened with Stephen Males, Look
what happened with Dominic Perrete. When the tide is out, the tide is out, and no amount of teals or Greens are most likely going to save your backside. When again from page of The Australian Today, I don't normally talk about yesterday's news or this morning's news tonight. I'm always focused on tonight and looking forward rather than back.
But this was important. Inflation pain is.
Going to go all this year, all next year and into twenty twenty six.
So good luck at an election.
Prime Minister.
To Energy.
Yes, you know, it was a hot day in Sydney and big parts of New South Wales Queensland.
It's on the way for you in the next couple of days.
And just like the previous government, the current government, the Labor government in New South Wales has had to say, despite the fact we're a quarter of the way into the twenty first century, you cannot be trusted to use anything in your house that will make you cooler, because the entire system might fall over.
The advice is always the same on really hot days, do you really need to have every single light on in the house? Do you need to have your air conditioning? Doubt at nineteen degrees you don't.
I'll give you the tip. Your light globe use is not going to be the difference.
What they will try to do is turn around and tell people that heavy manufacturing is not allowed to happen on certain hot days. That they will try to literally turn off computers in and around parts of the public sector.
That's how fragile the grid is.
And I went into great detail in that last night, and a huge reaction to that conversation last night, and I appreciate all the people who sent me an email. Well, guess what ended up happening. There were black ats once happened inside central Sydney where a big chunk of the CBD was affected by blackouts today, of course, nothing to do with the weather. Just to complete an absolute coincidence that on the day they said it might happen, buildings that use an awful lot of power didn't have a
power network that worked for them. Okay, meantime, I've got to say someone who needs to sharpen the pencil a little bit with some of the question time tactics. Not a question about this today in federal Parliament. Now, I know it's only something that's happening in one city, one state, but it is something that is emblematic of what has been said in Melbourne and in Adelaide and in Brisbane. Again, my apologies to good people of Western Australia. This doesn't
affect you. Why because you got your own electricity grid. And remember despite the fact that the thing has become more unreliable because a more people are using it. But you can't say that about immigration. The system has gone from a reliable one to a speculative one because the people who run our country need to feel better when
they go off to international conferences. Despite the fact that we are one percent of the world's problem, where China is more than thirty something percent of the world's problem. Once you throw in India the rest of the developing world, more than half of the world's climate issues come from those places. I don't know, but it's Australia where you
have to turn your lights off again. People understand climate change, they understand a need for action, but they also understand how ridiculous it is that power bills have never been higher, despite the fact that apparently there's more cheap energy than ever before. Because of course, as we remember from last week in Chris Hulman's excellent documentary up now at skynews dot com dot are you get it, share, get the word out, there are people who are being absolutely wiped
out by power bills. These are the people who are being told by their governments to turn off the light on a hot day. These people have already been doing that, but the bills to just access the grid leaves them four fifths of bugger all once the bill comes in.
This is what I call a payday killer. It's come in at one thousand and seventy three dollars and thirty one cents. My pay, which is the pay of most age pensioners, is around one thousand, one hundred and forty four dollars. This leaves me after I pay this bill seventy one dollars and nine cents.
Absolutely extraordinary. That's the reality, and that is what is wearing away at people, and that is why everything is awesome, everything's okay. It ain't my fault. I'll do the songs tomorrow. Then people don't buy it. I know you're awake to it. We're awake to it. We have been since day one. We saw this train coming when they were the opposition. We copped it when we called it out from day one.
But guess what now seems to be the reality of what it feels like the majority of Australians feel right now, enough with the gas lighting, enough of the bsing, enough of being told that up is down and down is up, and left is right and right is wrong.
We have a system that used to work.
Okay, they sold it off or they ran it into the ground, but instead let's just move to this completely new one where the technology may only last for twenty years and then you just bury it in the ground, or it's made by slave labor in China.
But nothing to see here.
But don't worry. The better politicians than any that have come before. They are right on the big issues. Here was what one of the tills, the teal who said she would like to be prime minister one day. Remember remember that fantasy. This is the question that she asks on the behalf of her local election. GEESEZ she feels our pain, doesn't she?
My question is for the Minister for Environment and Water Minister. A recent review found that major supermarkets are in some cases charging more for unpackaged fruit and vegetables than they are for plastic rapped produce. One example was loose potatoes, which cost fifty three percent more than bagged ones. But the strands are already struggling with the cost of living crisis and some really trying to do the right thing
by reducing their plastic waste. How's the government's going to hold supermarket chains accountable for fuelling Australia's plastic pollution.
So what's the story about?
Is the story about the plastic pollution or the cost of the bag versus unbagged potatoes. As for other people who are part of the doomstay cult when it comes to climate unless Australia does everything despite the fact that China does forfeits of buggerule, then.
We're all doomed.
There was a whole thing that I kind of would last week because I knew where it would end, which would be that a bunch of protesters who believe that the sea is going to rise to a certain point where life will no longer be worth living, and they decided to jump into their kayaks made of fiberglass. But okay, to make that point that coal was terrible. So they decided to block the port of Newcastle. Many were arrested
because this was considered illegal. Supreme Court said you can have a protest, but you can't get in the way of ships in the middle of a very significant shipping lane.
As a result of some of those protest activities, arrested one hundred and seventy people. One hundred and fifty six of those were adults and fourteen were juveniles. Those charges relate to charges under the Crimes Act and also charges under the Marine Safety Act. I suppose particularly of concern to ask, is some of the safety risks that occurred. We had thirty four people that were required to be pulled out of the water during arrest.
Well, how about this in the same way that the people who in the past have glued their hands to the streets of Brisbane, and some of the magistrates who end up seeing these people say, look, it's for a good cause. Or the person who comes out of jail early because of the trauma that they experienced when it came to floods in the past, which was an excuse
to shut down major roadways. Many of the people that are going to face legal action claim they have no money to be able to defend themselves, but they had to do it anyway, so they've set up, among other things, the whole collection of gofundmes where people are donating out of their pocket to help pay for their legal funds. Okay, that's your right as a citizen, but would you accept it if your local council was using ratepayers money to help bail out people who were protesting in a completely
different part of the state. Well, that's exactly what people in the heart of Sydney are doing, because last night the City of Sydney decided to vote to send twenty two thousand dollars of rate payers money to help pay for the legal costs of the people who were protesting but were told they couldn't protest in the water, but chose to do so anyway, knowingly breaking the law. The one person who voted against it spoke to Chris o'keefon Tijubi this afternoon.
I just can't understand how the city of city councils giving funds to Rising Tired, an organization based out of Newcastle that deliberately flouts the Lord, that deliberately flouts the Supreme Court ruling to make this protest happen. It's absolutely ridiculous.
Hey, what did Clive More say when the motion was presented?
She said, essentially they were in a climate emergency and the people are really upset about that.
So the next time you are told to pay your rates from the City of Sydney, presumably to fix the potholes, of which there are plenty, to pick up the garbage of which it may or may not happen to pick up the recycling which apparently, according to that counselor, is ending up in general landfill, twenty two thousand dollars of it.
Isn't going to any of those things.
Oh and the next time you happen to be visiting the City of Sydney and you get a parking fine, that money will not be going to washing the streets down from that wonderful odor of certain liquids that are expunged on the streets late at night. Instead, it in part is going to pay for people who knew what they were doing is wrong, yet they did it anyway and now are being in.
Part bailed out. Welcome to the world of.
Other people's money, crazy stuff. James Morrow, Joe Hildebrand, they agree on everything. Oh that's right, they don't. That's why they're here tonight for a big debate. And then Nigel Farage before we're done, just getting started. Thanks for watching us this Tuesday night on Paul Murray Line. Thank you very much. They're in the man cave, they're ready to go. Let's get into it. James Morrow is here with a
wonderful Joe hilda Brand. The last time I saw James, we're wearing a cigar bar in Washington.
We certainly were, and the buzz is still the same day.
Smoking here.
Imagine.
Don't worry, boss, we won't.
I love the American solution to banning smoking in bars. They said, Okay, no worries at all. We're just going to have smoking bars where you can drink. Correct, It's like everybody's happy now, correct, all right, but of course don't do it. Terrible as the beginning at the again of your life. Now, social media ban. We know this thing's going to most likely be passed into the week. Why because Parliament ain't coming back in the Prime Minister wants a win.
But we are seeing some whopple.
We've seen Alexantik Matt Canavan both coming out and saying no, we're not going to do this. Can I just suggest when we are doing things as consequential as this that every now and then, and I have if anyone who has followed me along the journey, I remember saying this when I was doing like late night Sunday Night on nov.
Twenty something years ago.
Right, I look exactly the same that when you make big decisions about say national security legislation that's about surveillance of the public, or why not have a trial period and a sunset clause where you turn around. You do this for a couple of years, and then the system has to prove that it works in order to keep it, to turn the idea into something permanent.
Right.
Yet there's sort of the all or nothing approach generally speaking, Right, because I understand why this is necessary. I've read every single story and the particularly you know, the horrific stuff that's been around there with kids, So I'm all in. I hate social media. I think it is literally I said before it's like a casino, right, Like it's all about endorphins and no natural light and all the rest of it, and it's really bad for kids.
But we don't how much heat Sinners called correct.
But it also has some terrible qualities.
Sam you for making an excellent point, which means that metaphor is done.
But my point is is that isn't there a softly softly rather than a one day inquiry and a law that's in in four days.
That's the world's Because pragmatist I would normally say yes, But I think Anthie Abinezi is coming to the point where he has to show that he stands for something, to show that he is a strong leader. It's only a few months out before the next election, if that's if it goes not even maybe not even so, and so he's got to say, no, this is what I stand for.
He's done it with the housing package.
He stared down the Greens and he kicked those humorous little socialists in the.
Nuts and that was wonderful. But again that's beside the point.
The point is he's got to show what he stands for and what labor stands for. And look, with all the privacy concerns or the you know, I don't want social media companies, you know, having my details and everything.
I was doing my Christmas shopping this week.
There are that many websites that have all your data, all your credit card details, all your information and you can't even remember them.
You can't even remember the passwords for them.
And these websites that have a vested interest in mining absolutely everything there is to know about you so they can target you with ads, so they can tell you stuff. And look, I don't like, you know, in a perfect world, we'd all be going to the market every day and buying you know, mangoes, buy the box. But this is the world that we live in now, and I don't think having to sign up and say right this is
who I am is such a bad thing. And it wasn't that long ago when I was doing a campaign for the Daily Telegraph called Stop the Trials, where we actually say say whatever you want on Twitter, have free speech, but be accountable for it.
So it's this thing, James, where again we understand what the purpose of it is. And I just hope that after it becomes law, that the that there is the Chicks and Balances just to double check that if there's a need for a tweak year or a need to add something there, that that can be done.
Yeah.
I mean, like for me, I think that the big issue around social media is really more around the sort of the rewiring of the brands, the intention span the stuff that child hate has done. You know, I think that that's, you know, the fundamentally the bigger civil ground. In the same way you say, well, we don't let people drink before they're eighteen and that sort of thing.
But you know that said, if you're going to go this sort of route here, I did think that there were some real problems exposed in the bill by people like Matt Canavan when they said, well, you know you can't go on, but what about porn And they're like, oh, well that's not really And you know, frankly, I think that you know, pornography in terms of, like, you know, if we're in this sort of situation where where you know,
we're saying kids need to talking about consent, respect, relationship, spsogyny, all this sort of stuff, having this free sewer of pornography which you could geo block very easily, having that pumped into the system of everybody and kids kids can find this stuff easily, you.
Know, and see, yeah, it's like it's it's that that, you know, Like, surely you'd want to do something about that too.
Well, I've be tried the last time they were in government and the exact same arguments were used against it. Steven Conroy's Communications has tried to censor the Internet, this is what it was called, and was like, no, you can't do that, because first they'll come for hard corporate orgraphy, then they'll come for this. So again, inevitably if there has.
To be a test of reasonableness.
And again with the social media stuff, it is not that the algorithm and the screen time that is a problem, but that is not the primary problem. The primary problem is the interactivity which allows kids to be bullied in silence, in darkness.
Correct, and which in part is why my suggestion is that one thing, apart from laws and all the rest of it, which is if you are at that moment in time where you're going to buy, I'm not going to buy, for goodness sake, the dumb phone first, and all the parents in the year to agree, and then as the year's roll on, things will change. Now Donald Trump has announced there's going to be tariff's on Mexico
and on Canada. Why because that's where an awful lot of people enter the country illegally, but also a very significant amount of drugs have come fentanyl, the synthetic drug which has made its way from China, which is why in part they're going to end up with a tariff. But I want to come at this from a different way, James. I've already noticed that in some the polite papers today that we're talking about the economic uncertainty of trump tariff's
coming ahead. Do you think that we are going to get, as it was about the Ukraine War, We are going to get from charmers and others that the excuse for why things are the way they are is Donald Trump's tariffs, despite the fact that he ain't the president until the twentieth of January.
Yeah.
No, Look, I mean I.
Think I think absolutely any sort of excuse in the book here that they can get, you know, But I mean again it also you know, this also shows the other issue with that sort of social media thing is it's again taking the eye off the costly ball, and that's a big thing. You know, they're going to go into an election saying, hey, we give you a social
media ban for the kids. Great by give them Dealtry Bill is still a fortunate and you know, we do know now, we do know now that basically, you know, had they not been pumping so many people into government jobs and pumping so many migrants into the economy, we would be looking at a rate cut by now. And this government is our officially inflating the economy. That's why we have high interest rates. That's why things cost too much. That's why I can't find a house. This is what
they're doing. And you know, they will absolutely look to blame Donald Trump, because Donald Trump the big range man bad. You know, they're gonna use him for everything. Now. The interesting thing about this is that there's you know, some indications that Mexico is already coming to the party. They already called Trump said hey, look just about this, hold on, We're gonna make this all okay here. And because these countries do have the power if they want to to
do this. So you know, I was down at the border the other week. You know, they have the power to do something about this if they want to. They're a transit point for all these people and they say, yeah, come on through. But you know what they should be doing is what we do in Australia. You put people in detention until you claim his process. And suddenly a lot of people are trying it on. Stop trying it on.
I'm done forget.
In America, their deficity is thirty something treming dollar, right, which is why in part the the president says, rather than taxing the people, will tax these foreign countries.
And that's how they'll be able to deal with it.
If this is the same trick Trump pulls every single time. The guy's an absolute master at it. And all these you know, just like you, that's right, all these you know, ultra sophisticated.
Degrees, and she is a doctor. You know, they fall for it every single time. Every single time. He's doing exactly what he did with.
Bat Gates and say, hey, look over here, here's this big sort of sacrificial land that I'm going to set on fire for you.
And while you're all looking over there, I'm just going to make RFK health secretary. And he's doing the same thing.
You say, Oh, I'm going to put tariffs on Mexico and Canada unless you secure your borders and stop the fentinel coming over and I'm going to make trying to clean up its tact and start executing drug smugglers again, and those countries will come to the party and then he won't have to put on the taff and then find But we'll just say in defense of the government.
It is Jim.
It is Jim Charmers as treasurer, who came out straight after all the Trump assarian said no, calm down, it's going to be okay. It's nothing that we can't deal with. You know, a lot of it's just bluster. Just everybody chill out. Where we are the global instability. The funny thing will be when you have all the crazy hard lefties who were suddenly.
Anti tariff.
Only, well, free trade for all, How could you possibly stop global capitalism.
There was a headline in the Turmbulel Times today which said the silent majority of Australian farmers support the transition to renewable energy. What a surprise they were. This is also the same mob that turned around and said that you know, farmers love solar panels because.
The sheep can graze underneath them.
Okay, let's actually read some detail though, kids. The survey conducted by the lobby group Farmers for Climate Action.
Can you pronounce the Yeah, that's very good.
It says it's seventy three percent of people connected to farming.
They love the idea of renewable enjin. Now, look, by beware, in the lead up to the next federal election, when you're going to hear a new pole says this about a teal seat or a potential teal seat, or a claim like that's made in the same way that you would say the tobacco industry, the oil, any anything, right, you would dismiss this out of hand. Instead, for them, it wasn't just a story but the headline, I repeat, show it again, the silent majority, according to Farmers for Climate.
Action, they're the shy farmer.
Yeah, that adds the calls to other poles are the ones, that's right.
They pretend they don't want to wind farms, but secretly they do.
Yeah.
Look, I think everyone knows that you can commission any pole or commission any modeling to basically get the result you want. You can slice and dice any numbers you want. It's a cliche, lies down lice and statistics. So that's that's all you do.
But also, I mean look very simple, right and you know we telling anyone how.
To do their gig.
But obviously the word claim might appear in there somewhere. Instead stated this fact silent majority of Australian farmers found to.
Support by a lobby group.
And that was I think that was in the Guardian, you know, so so so along with that, you know, you have the headlines about you know, beat retproduction, beating the five of your plan and you know, tractor factory all that sort of stuff.
You know.
So I mean, like like the whole thing is the people are with you.
I don't made to see the Guardians next think piece, which is why we must end tariffs once and for all. Yeah, trade throughout the globe, correct, so that capital can find its natural.
As written by the former head of the m U A, the A C t U and all.
The rest of it by Karl Marx and Frederick Engels.
Yeah all right, Nigel fried in a second, but before we're done, Kamala Harris, our, poor old Kamala. Of course she was supposed to ride now, just be measuring the curtains, changing the things, telling Jody get out of the way. Start her presidency two months early then demock.
Of course it took place. I don't know why did that, but that's their their version.
No, no, because with its democracy, it's our device they win. It's yeah, yeah, yeah.
So she backed off to Hawaii. Well, of course the beginnings are potentially World War three. It's starting to play out. But her staff are now talking to the super political people and are starting to say, leave all the options open for Quen Kamala, including that she may run again in four years time. If not, she might become the
governor of California and then run four years after that. Interestingly, a Democratic strategist who's on a YouTube show that I watch an awful lot of if we can bring this back from the editorial guys, you know it, he says, no one is scared of this. No one who's turning around in the Democratic Party going, oh my goodness, it's like Donald Trump is planning to run for the third time. There is no chance anyone else can run. There's enough padding here is and I like his smile.
Who is going to force these questions about her as a candidate are her opponents people who are thinking about twenty twenty eight. They've got very skilled staff they're gonna start to weak stories to make sure that she doesn't jump to the front of the line and cut them out. And I don't think any Democrat fears her in twenty twenty eight. They know she'd be a legit, you know, somebody too have to deal with, but they don't fear that she's a dominant, you know, strong candidate.
So good point, right, So look, she can try. She might third time. Lucky, of course for Trump he ran three times one two out of three. Third time and her win zero out of three might be the result.
What do you reckon, Well, I reckon that the Democrats, if they're going to win the presidency again, they're gonna need to go back and start actually trying to do business with the working class constituency that they have sent off to the Republicans. And you know, it's not gonna be Newsome, It's not gonna be Harris. Who the more anybody saw of Harris, the more the realize who's a vapid socialist idiot. But I reckon it's going to be
somebody like Josh Shapiro, the governor Pennsylvania. He did not want to be the vice president. I went and watched a bunch of the stuff that he has done. He's a very smart, very sharp, intelligent guy, youngish. He could be the next future for the Democrats in twenty if the Democrats do what they need to do, which is to reconnect with actual, real people enough people who you know at the very top and very bartably the econd, I'm expect Herum.
Yeah, so this, this is this idea that you know, I know, Trump's going to be in his late seventies.
Bidens in his late three hundreds.
She's sixty, all right, She's going to be a multi Why does she's been in publican thirty?
Why does she have to run for anything?
She is?
If she actually thinks this, she is absolutely deluded. She is an absolute pariah within the party. The one thing that everyone will be able to agree on, and it will be politically convenient for they can cover their own asses, because I can promise you everyone else has some need some blank wear as well.
But they will just they will.
It'll be like the cops who you know, have they arrest someone for murder and they know they've got him on that one, and so they just hang the other sixty unsolved homicides on him as well and send him.
Away from it. She will be all the problem.
She is going to be all the problems. She is most of the problems. It was a disgraceful campaign. I'm from what I read. I can't pretend I've got source in the party. But if this was happening to the Labor Party, everyone in Labor knows exactly what's happened over there. I'm told that, you know, people like Nate Silver are saying the Democrats genuinely understand this. You're blo there, genuine understanding.
It's other people. Even Morning Joe understands it. Even AOC is starting to go, oh gee, wherez Maybe maybe.
They say need to know my pronoun say it now?
And then you know, the groups that have pulled them left keep screaming, thank you guys, do appreciate it. That'll be a fun chat in the car park with these two later, both of them on fine and I love it. Niger Ferra straight after the break, let's get.
To it here, I pull Mariela.
According to the Spectator magazine and those of us that are paying attention to UK politics, Niger Ferras is the future of the conservative or right wing side of politics, and I thoroughly.
Agree, he joins us now.
Of course, the g B news host and Reform Party leader joins us now from one of London. So that's a nice bit of a speculation out there. But it certainly puts together the message that you've been saying, how it links into what's happening in America and how the Conservatives are positioning themselves, which really isn't fit for purpose.
No, I had no idea what the Conservatives even stand for, and after four general election victories where they promise one thing.
And then did the other.
I mean, basically, in Britain, if you want mass immigration, if you want voats crossing the channel, you want high taxes and state control, vote conservative or vote labor, and they're even worse. So that's kind of where we are. And by the way, just to correct you, I'm not right wing.
I'm right minded.
No, correct the right wing term. Sorry, I apologize, I get it. No.
But but this is the interesting thing Trump one, because you pulled together a coalition of different groups of people, some of whom you know, on the old days you might have positioned on the left. The old left right thing is out the window now and this is there's a massive change, massive change going on, and hey, we've seen the same in Australia over the last ten to fifteen years, where the Liberal Party you know, pretended it would stand up for the right values and actually did
the opposite once it was in office. So there's a massive change happening everywhere. It's happening in Europe too, and frankly, you know, for me, having come out of semi retirement to do it, it's a very very exciting time.
Well, and don't forget too that obviously, as we've discussed before. You know, the length of time that the parliamentary term is what five years that's before a next election, and then obviously what would happen after it. So you've always said you're in it for the long term, but about two million people would like an election much sooner than five years away.
Two million people have signed a petition. You've been pushing it along for a while. What does that tell you.
Well, the fact that the petition is launched on Sunday and gets two million will two and a half million now signatures within forty eight hours. I've never seen a petition grow as quickly as this. There is a deep sense of dissatisfaction that a government that was elected with only twenty percent of the adults in the country voting for them with a massive majority, and I've now done things like attacking the farmers taking money away from pensioners that they didn't say they would do in the run
up to the campaign in their manifestos. So there's a real breach of trust. And Starmer, I've got to tell you, I've never in all that in the half a century I've looked at politics, I've never seen a Prime minister lose popularity as quickly as this they're in. It's ironic. They're in real trouble and yet they've got a huge parliamentary majority.
Things can only get worse. Yeah, more wide and each street. But this is what we've talked about about.
The real change that the UK needs, which use a system that is not.
The first past the post scenario anymore. Oh absolutely.
I mean, look, you know, for every single labor MP there are thirty four thousand votes, right, for every reform MP there are eight hundred and fifteen thousand votes. I mean, the whole thing's absolutely bonkers and it needs to be reformed, along with much else in our country.
Good stuff, great man. Look looking forward to seeing you've very soon. Thank you so much. Nigel Farage, I've agree with him about the right wing left wing thing right and I've.
Talked about this before, right which is that? Also?
I'm tired of the idea that the left own's compassion and the right owned strength. Bugger all of that. It's about normal people with obvious values. Okay, there are things that we will disagree about from time to time.
There are things where.
Someone might be a little further down the road than you are on something. But the idea of sort of the old labels. I completely with him, but they do not apply no more. Me and Kelly's on the show tomorrow night, looking forward to that conversation. Can we top last weeks where it even made the news in the United States?
Will do our best till then, get ready for the late debat.
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