From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you so much for watching. What a good swimming was in Cans last night. The weather a little bit different when we got back to the man Cave. Thank you to everyone who watched and who supported and who gave us a great time in the far North. Let's get to an awful lot tonight, including the cleanup operation in and around those news so wild floods will go back
to Tarre. We're also going to have a chat about, well, something they always say that happens to be the opposite of what always happened, something different about power bills, and I'm going to take a couple of seconds to explain not quite the fatal flaw in the Dead Star, but perhaps a little design fault that is in part of the difference between the way the Liberal Party and the Labor Party works. So believe that'll be a good chat
coming up a little bit later. But first before we get to all the politics, and again we will go live to those regions at a moment or two time, Let's get to a nice moment that took place today in and around that cleanup effort. Now it is heartbreaking for the extreme Madjo already. In fact, all the people that are involved in this clean up effort. Depending on where you are, depending on the city, depending on how complicated things are, it's been a really tough couple of days.
In fact, there's even some more that might be coming when it comes to extra wind and rain in and around now the south and center of the country.
The winds were pretty ferocious today and that was due to a strong low pressure system and cold front which we can see swirling away. It's this clockwise complex mass making its way from the Great Australian Biton pushing into Victoria this afternoon. This generated widespread average winds sixty to seventy kilometers per hour.
They were howling all.
Day long across South's Australia and also elevated terrain in Victoria.
Now, of course, part of the cleanup operation has been farmers of all different kinds trying to take stock and see how much of the livestock has perished in the past couple of days. But the reason I start with all of this now is because there was one little, very small race of hope. It was captured in fact during interview that was being done. I believe with the Guardian. This is a nice moment when people thought all was lost, but it wasn't.
We put them under the bridge to keep them in the high point. They were in about that much water, standing in water and it was still rising. Okay, we've found a little boycott. I thought we've lost one in the water. We thought he might have drowned, but apparently he's there. She had twins in the water in the mud.
No, it's a tough time for everyone. But if there is just a little positive story here and there to help get people through, I'm more than happy to pass it on. Before the election, the federal government was very clear in telling us that these are not the droids you're looking for. And despite the fact that they had failed to deliver on a central promise of power prices going down by two hundred and seventy five dollars in
the previous three years, that an actual fact. Despite the fact that you were paying more than you were three years ago for power, it was still technically going down.
In the last year to December, and the official inflation data electricity prices went down by twenty five percent, and.
Of course the Prime Minister and the Climate Change and Energy Minister more than happy to rub this one in. In fact, they have viewed the massive election victory, and it is massive election victory by the Labor Party to be an absolute slam dunk that the suburbs, that the Bush love the renewable any energy scheme, They love the billions of dollars, nay almost to trillion dollars which is going to have to be spent to movers from one
system to another. And regardless of the fact that they broke a central promise, regardless of the fact that things cost more, well, they win. So if they win, then they win for all time. So what have we all been talking about? What have the polsters been telling us for years and years and years? Apparently all of that
gone finished. Well, there was a little news story that happened today, And Jesus, isn't it so convenient that it happens just a couple of weeks after the election, not a couple of weeks before or a cost of living election.
Power bills are about to soar with price rises of up to ten percent. In some bad news today, power prices are set to increase by almost ten percent next year.
Household power bills are about to go up by as much as ten percent.
So the election result absolutely clear, and the official result that you have to glean from the election is that people don't care about their power bills. People don't care about an increase in their power bills. People were convinced and bought off by a government that wasn't able to reduce their power bill, instead paid the power bill or part of the power bill to the power company not
to pass on the endless increases. And apparently next time again, I know you and I will feel a certain way, But once you hear somebody else saying they're complaining about their power bills, we'll ask them how they voted, because obviously extreme majority, at least with their first or second preference of Australians will they're more th happy with the system that keeps promising one thing and delivering another.
The best thing we can do is keeping ongoing with a roll out of renewable doing no.
Quick fixes and no silver bullet.
That's the message from the federal government as the nation confronts an energy crisis.
Renewable energy is by far the cheapest form of energy.
If you've been astounded by your quarterly power bill, you're not alone.
Stick with the plan for the cheapest form of energy, which is renewable.
So everyone at high and has a power bill going at the moment, they are reaching all time highs, aren't they.
I think that renewable energy is the cheapest form of energy.
Energy regulators have confirmed the default market offer will rise by as much as nine point seven percent from July one.
It is wild, isn't it. People tell posters that number one issue is cost of living. A big proponent of that is the cost of an electricity bill. They keep being told that the solution to the problem is going to be cheaper, But of course the construction of the solution to the problem is one of the reasons why the power bill keeps going up and up, up up, And when given a chance to vote on it, Australians
seemingly didn't care. Two thirds of people made the decision not to offer anything but a ringing endorsement of what the government has put in place. But maybe it wasn't that. Maybe people didn't fall for that. Maybe, of course they believed that the Prime Minister was the one who was telling the truth, telling you that you only need a Medicare card to go anywhere near a GP clinic, and you'll be able to bulk bill, and ninety percent of people will be able to bulk bill, and you'll never
need a credit card again. Even though we learn that the general practitioners, the very people who would be in charge of whether they bulk bill or don't bolk bill, ninety two percent of them have said they will not be running that system. Now, politics is always about what you want to debate. Politics is if things are moving your way, great because you don't have to fight on anyone else's turf. Now, no sooks, no losers is generally the way that we play the game. And I am
not being either of those right now. But it is just amazing to the third of the country that overtly did not want what has ended up to be the case. The ones who saw they were basing about power bills, the ones who saw they were basing about bolt billing, it now seems. And of course people are very reticent to ever say they made a mistake and Australia didn't make a mistake because of course Richo is always right,
which is that the mob is always correct. But just how effective was that BS machine of the Labor Party, Just how effective was all of those little tactics that we showed you when it came to the media tonight averon Channel two. Of course, they're writing the final history about how evil and terrible the Liberal Party was and how pointless it was. Of course, all focus on failure,
no focus on distortion, no focus on international events. And as you know, there's a way some shark circling somewhere trying to say that the real problem, the real problem are people like me on stations like this saying things that the vast majority of the establishment in Canberra does not like. And they confuse this, of course with those who called BOS on all of these things in the
past being pulled too far to the right. Now. I'll explain a little bit later why there are many spectrums in Australian politics, but calling bs on bs artists pretty dead center to me. Regardless of whether you used to be a lefty, used to be a rity, are a righty or r a left winger, calling bs is dead on being a good Australian. Now forgive me if I do not fall for the latest bit of garbage from the CCP, the Communist Party coming out of Beijing. Now again,
Oh mate, Albot Prime Minister of all time. Jesus is a new fantastic He was a vote magnet. According to some other review of the election. I just like when you win, you did everything amazing and it is a massive win and he's going to rule for many years. But it doesn't mean we go away. Okay. He made
this promise during the election campaign. This was particularly relevant about the Chinese ownership of the Port of Darwin and the seat of Solomon, one of two in the Northern territory that at some point earlier this year the poll said they may lose.
Are you announcing that the Labor government will buy back the port of Darwen?
Lisa off Lambridge.
What we are.
Doing is we will enter into negotiations to do that. That is what we've been doing informally through potential buyers up to this point already. We'll have more to say over the coming period before the third of May.
Problem is I don't believe him. Why, Well, check the previous comments, the past three years of bsing. And he's very good at politics and he was very good at being able to convince people that the other side was the end of everything and he was the solution to everything. Despite the fact that everything had got worse than the three anyway, well played, well played game, recognized this game.
But the reason in particular I'm talking about this tonight, and in particular that I don't believe him, is because he made the same promise at the election before this one. In fact, in twenty twenty two, they were promising to have a fresh look at whether the Port of Darwin
would still be owned by the Chinese. And the review came out on a Friday afternoon on the twentieth of October, when people were not paying attention, and in a news dump on a Friday afternoon, after promising to again get rid of the Chinese from the Port of Darwin, that being the Chinese Communist Party, not the citizenry of Australia, guess what, a review concluded that it was not necessary
to vary or cancel the lease. So you say one thing during election, you do another after the election, and what's to say it won't be exactly the same this time around. We've already been on this go around, and the Chinese ambassador was out and about today pretending that this is the hill he wants to die on. This, in part is what were said today that the Chinese ambassador blasts Paul and the Darwin Port lease plan is ethically questionable. Now remember, they already know that the promise
has been made. They already know that a review done by this Prime Minister's office let them off the hook once before. He could have blown up during the election, but of course that would somehow mean that it wasn't a clear choice for whom to vote for. Hence why I'm not falling for the theater. I don't believe that they're firing up. I don't believe there's about to be a change of ownership. If there is, great I'll be
the first to sing hallelujah. But over the past ten years, the land Bridge Group has made significant investments in maintaining and building Darwin's Port infrastructure, optimizing its operations and management. These efforts have brought remarkable improvements of the broad turning the financial system a situation from losses to profits, contributing positively to the local and social development. It is ethically questionable to lease the port when it was unprofitable and
then seek to reclaim it when it becomes profitable. Forgive me, mister ambassador, if I do not believe you that you are truly annoyed about something that you didn't mention when it was said during the campaign, that you didn't mention when it was mentioned in the last campaign that now when probably the same people who made the decision not to do anything a couple of years ago will probably make the same decision not to do anything this time around.
You could have done something if you really cared about it, mate, you could have talked about it during an election, But then, of course that would upset the grand plan. The handsome boy has already done so much. The least that could use could do is to help him with a second
term in office. Right now, we know that lives in the NATS break up last week, back together now one of the subjects that he's going to be a problem regardless of how long they stay in trial separation or when they get back in the house, Mom and Dad will start fighting about this again. Net zero zero zero
zero at zero zero zero. And we know that our mates Barnaby, Joyce, Matt Canavan, well they say no, not interested in that doubling down on net zero for twenty fifty because of course they live in regionalarry is that
are the ones grossly affected by this change. We also know that there are people now inside the Liberal Party, including people who would like to be the leader of the Liberal Party at one point in time, rock stars like Andrew Hasty, who are now openly as part of a program over there on Channel two tonight saying that he too is going to join the Party of those who don't want net zero as the policy of the Liberal Party.
Net zero.
Again, that's a straight jacket that I'm already getting out of. The real question is should austray In families and businesses be paying more for the electricity and should we allow this sort of hypocrisy at the heart of our economy to continue, whereby we sell coal and gas to India and China and we deny it to our own people. That's the question that I think we need to answer.
Fascinating to see this is the real ructure between the Liberal Party and the National Party. I have goes put simply, many people inside the Liberal Party, or at least the machine or the left of the Liberal Party. I'm going to explain a little more about that. In the moment, they believe that if you walk away from any commitments to net zero, you're walking away from some sort of
commitment and understanding about the role of climate change. And in the twenty first century, as more people believe in doing something about the environment than God, than somehow you are slitting your political throat if you do anything other than promise that you're going to be able to change the weather. Now, remember Australia one percent of the world's problem. Even if we did every single thing that every single green had ever dreamt of, China would be able to
replace what we do in your sixteen days. But because of the politics of the time, the belief is that if we don't go as hard as the dreams of the greens would be, then somehow we're not doing our partner. If we're not doing our part, we're contributing to the problem.
Despite the fact that as I have shown you before, if you looked at a clock of all of the countries of the world and how much emissions they put out there, the reality is that you'd be able to go past quarter past on China, who, of course Netzera twenty fifty does not apply to. Then you go through the rest of the world and that gets you to about halfway through the clock. It doesn't apply to them.
Then you go to India, which will take you to about twenty two along with Russia, they're not doing anything. Then you can move your way up to quarter two, quarter two forty five of sixty minutes, and that'd be the United States and under Trump, they are not doing these things. I no, no, But the way that we will make sure that it never rains again, never rains again, There'll never be a drought, there'll never be a bushfire, is if we do something about one percent of global
emissions and right now doing forty three percent. About one percent of the world's problems is the legislative target of the Labor Party. But now with unfettered power, with an absolute ease of access to getting anything passed through the left wing support of the Greens in the Senate, that number is going to become a whole lot bigger. It's one that of course they couldn't possibly discuss during an election campaign because you know that would lose them votes,
but instead just talk about it in motherhood issues. Don't put any price, so I don't put any detail on it, don't even pretend that there's going to be a reduction in prices. And they of course won a thumper so Australia likes this type of politics, regardless of what they may well say, and according to people inside the Labor Party, their plan for the next little while is to up forty three percent of fixing one percent of the world's
CLIs problems. That, by the way, what we wiped out by China in just sixteen days, is to replace that with a sixty five to seventy five percent target. Now, for those who rub their hands with glease a nit zero all we do, if we throw it off, if we get rid of it, then we're going to race our way back to government because we're going to be able to focus on all of the price stuff we
did ten years ago. One of the things that makes that politics difficult as well, regardless of whether it's the right policy or not, is one part of the problem nobody ever talks about, regardless of whether you want the seventy five percent or whether you're somebody who wants nothing, when it comes to the net zero stuff state governments. In fact, I went and tried to find a left wing lobby group right left wing lobby group that shows all of the climate policies of all of the different states.
All you need to know is it starts at anywhere between thirty one percent of the world's problem or fifty percent, or some of them have seventy percent. So the problem and difficulty of the politics that I look forward to debating tonight, do not consider. Do not confuse what I'm talking about now as advocacy of saying no, no, no, don't
go anywhere near this policy is just saying. One of the problems with coalescing around where I know a lot of people want to coalesce around, which is bugerhet zero, is how do you get around what the States are planning to do? What do you do in three years time when we've already spent the billions of dollars on different types of infrastructure. It's worth a debate one we will have in a moment or two time. Now. This week we will learn who is going to be in
and out of the shadow Cabinet. Yes, it will of course have some Nats in it. After they will inevitably sign that deal in the next little while. Susan Lee as the opposition leader, well, she gets the pick of the crop. She can decide whoever she wants in there. Yes, you've got to have x number of nationals. But other than that, it's basically up to her her decide which
way things are going to go. Now, interestingly, what is important here is, as always, there are people who try to sort of send little smoke signals through the media, and these are, you know, don't you dare not put my favorite person in? Don't you dare not put my favorite person in? And this happens all over the media. Right seeing this for as many many years as I've been sitting here in many years before all of that, Right,
and there's plenty of talent to pick from. Right obviously, there's Angus Taylor, there's just Into nampajimper Price, There's Tim Wilson, there's Melissa mcintoye. There's lots of good people that will be really good shadow ministers. But then there's the little messages that go out saying, oh, if the super conservative ones are not rewarded by having the exact same jobs that they had in the last parliament, and somehow we're going to threaten the whole blow to show up as
conversely the lefties do when they're not in charge. That's the point I'm trying to prove here. There's something that is at the heart of all of this that I think actually needs a little bit of explaining. Now, I'm not going to be able to do this as well as somebody who has done or teaches a political science class. Are not going to be able to nail every single word or terminology, like people who's absolute passion are the
political parties. But I wanted to explain the fight within the fight, within the fight within the fight, and that those fights are not just exclusive to the center right of Australian politics. Now put simply the Liberal Party if you were looking at it, and they don't say theirs factions, but the teams within teams. Okay, there are the moderates,
there are the conservatives, and there's the center. Right Now, some people will say, just for the point of learning, okay, just agree for a second that this is all what happens. But then if you actually want to get a little bit more technical, you know, like how there's botanic names for plants and flowers. The botanic names for some political beliefs on the center right or right of Australian politics or any politics are traditional conservative, of neoliberal, the populist,
a libertarian, someone in the religious right. Again, there's lots of more slivered terms, so that makes it seem like, oh my goodness, the center right of Australian politics is this ungovernable mess of people who all disagree with each other, who are all trying to cut each other's throats. Guess what,
it's exactly the same for the Labor Party. And even if they are in opposition with fifty seats, if they're in minority government by one seat, if they're in government like they are now with ninety almost ninety five seats, which is extraordinary, you have the factions, where again the MPs dance with the one who brung them, which was either people to the left or people to the right.
And again the botannic names of some of the sub factions, or the socialist Left, the Fabian Socialists, the New Left, Labor Unity, Labor Reform. There are people that are not connected the underligned. And then as of course there's all of the different unions, and some of those are to the left and some of those are to the right. And as I say over on Channel two tonight, there is you know, quite the autopsy being performed, and it's
all everything's terrible with the Liberal Party. Will never be able to lick its wounds because it has these fundamental design differences and people who want to go this way and people want to go that way. It will never ever be competitive again. And anyone who ever speaks in support of them or voted for them as a full you know, you know, surprise, surprise, history yet again written by the left. But this scenario written by the people who cheered on and helped shape part of the outcome.
So why is it that when the Liberal Party gets itself into trouble it seems like everyone connected to the party has an opinion, says their thing, MPs, minister's shadow mistes, blah blah blah, they're all tipping on each other. And when it's a labor party, generally speaking, there's none of
that stuff. And why is it that during the three years of government or opposition, Labour's all kind of moving in one way, And then again, if there's a third of the Libs that don't like or some of the Nats that don't like it, they're able to turn around and kind of openly have dissent from within. It looks a little bit it's free, but it looks a little bit more messy. Well, there's a reason for that. And again I know hardcore politics people know this, but there
are some people who may well not know this. So I don't want it to be taken for granted that this is part of the design of our system. The difference between the Labor Party and the Liberal Party is the way that they police themselves. You see, the Labour Party has a caucus system where all of their MPs have to go out and publicly say they completely, absolutely agree with whatever the party position is. Now they can argue against it inside the lock doors of a caucus room,
but once you go outside. Hence why you get the nonsense of Penny Wong pretending that she was against same sex marriage. Whereas the Liberal Party has a party room rule which means, yes, you speak up in the party room. Yes, if you're part of the shadow cabinet, you have to adhere to its decisions. But in the Labor Party you
will be punished for speaking against the system. In the Liberal Party you're allowed to be Malcolm Turnbull and all of those times he was on Q and A with the leather jacket shit canning his own government, his own minister's, his own Prime minister, because he was in the third of the Liberal Party that wasn't able to convince the bedwarders in the middle to join with them and push out the other third of the party. Blah blah blah.
And it's why so many people are going to be on television and have been on television for the past couple of weeks with what they think we're wrong and what should be into the future. Why they seem more ill disciplined than the Labor Party. Put simply, it is you are free to speak in the Liberal Party. And here's the thing. Please do not confuse again what I
am saying to be advocacy for changing the system. But in the modern politics and the modern media, politics that makes the most of internal division, and internal division is often weaponized by your political opponents as proof that you are not ready to govern. Is there a conversation that needs to be had, just like the Labour Party had under Simon Crean all those years ago, where it used to be sixty to forty union control and it became fifty to fifty, that there's a fundamental rule here that
maybe has to pull some people into line. I don't know, but I just wanted to take a couple minutes to explain what others may assume is either too boring for you to know about, too complicated for you to know about, but I just want you to know about it, because that's why you see these little stories that pop up everywhere if someone's trying to ever go at somebody else.
You saw it when it came to Ed Husick and his future in the Labour Party is going to be a world of pain, most likely never to return anywhere near power. If albo or a version of Albou remains leader for the rest of his political career. That's just the reality. But it's why the Liberal Party is able to have all of it's dirty laundry, and they are the ones hanging out the dirty laundry live on television tonight to a person who of course is nothing but
critical of the Liberal Party. Amazing stuff. All right, Let's talk now about the clean up operation that is taking place as we speak in and around Tarre. There are tens of thousands of homes which have been affected, that have been really screwed over by the floods of recent days, and the operation now moves to one where in the
next couple of nights we'll talk about insurance. We'll talk about these things, but the main and most important thing here is that I did not want people to be able to I did not want people to be left behind here and not know what is exactly the situation of what's taking place. But Tanya Thompson is the national z MP who represents this part of New South Wales since she joins us. Now, Tanya, how's everyone holding up
a couple of days in? I'm sure they're all very tired, But how's everyone going?
Yeah? Pretty tired forul just working through it. Every day you know is a new day and another road to recovery.
Really yeah, So give us an idea about this process that we're in now right where literally as we see shop to shop, house to house, there's you know, the danger part is gone, but the real punish has really started to begin. What are you seeing and what do you want people to know about what is happening in Tari compared to what we were seeing a couple of days ago.
Yes, So it's important though to know that it's not just Tari, So we are talking about a whole region. You know, we've got a really large catchment and so we've got areas tari Wingham, Mount George, Weal Flat, there's Old bar Manning Point. There are so many areas affected, some places that we haven't even been able to get into yet because they are still very isolated. They said today ten thousand plus people are still isolated because of this blood event, So we can't get into those communities
yet to make sure people are okay. They're without power, tellor communications, so there's a real worry for those people to make sure that they're doing all right. You know, they talk about phases. So first of all, you're in that, you know, recovery phase of the response phase. And now we're into the recovery phase where we go in and we see the rfs and the sees, well the boots
on the ground. You know, we could definitely use some more of those, but you know, going into homes piece by piece, as you say, you know, businesses, farms, everything, everywhere. There's just mess everywhere, but everywhere.
Yeah, I'm just looking at a map of your electric right now. Right, So down to the south of seal Rocks, Bulletdealer, we go up through Taree. We've got Foster where you are now on the coast. You know, it's a very big area which you have to take care of right now. Is much of the electorate in trouble. So basically, this entire land mass that you are responsible for representing, there's not just a pocket. There's a huge amount of it that's in trouble.
Amount, there's a huge amount. So my electrod itself is five and a half thousand square kilometers to cover. But so the Manning region has a massive catchment itself and it all just flows into this river system and that is what is essentially just flooded that Manning Room region. So we talk about the Mannings. You know, we've got the Great Lakes and the Manning and that is where this flood event has happened. So it is so many regions that have so many little towns and villages that
have been wiped out. You know Wingham in particular. We went there yesterday and there's mud, tigernees, there's a meter of mud to get through, and there's silt and you're at a dairy farm today and it's impossible to get
to every place. But you know, we're trying really hard to connecting with every community that we can, businesses, and I just I have to say our communities are just the most amazing resilient communities that you'll ever see, Paul, that they just you know, there's strangers in strangers' homes that just pick up a broom and a shovel and put the boots on and just get in and get
it done to help their neighbor. And that's just just such a wonderful thing to see, you know, out of such a horrific event.
Yeah, correct, Tenure, Well, the reason we want to talk to you tonight again was the media has a wonderful way of moving on and moving on pretty quickly. But the reality is literally from Lismore for a few years ago, there's still plenty of stuff to be done. Let alone cyclones, let alone fires. It all just it's not something I want to return to in a year's time and want to talk about it while things are happening right now.
Over the next couple of days, when it starts to become easier for people to know how to volunteer, how to donate, what to do, we'll make sure that we keep putting that there. But if there's anyone I need a yell out on your behalf, Tenure, I will gladly do so strength and love to everyone in the community, and good on you for the way that you represent them. Really good stuff. Thank you Tanner. All right, quick break
back with more here on Port Murray Live. Lots to talk about, lots of debate, lots of big ideas to discuss. Is the time for somehow the center right of politics to be forced to zip their mouth? Or is one of the joys of center right politics that you're freely able to do so? But the problem is is that it means the Labor Party is able to exploit the open divisions. I look forward to Mattanavans on this and a whole lot more in a moment's time here on
Pullmurray Line. Thanks for watching, Thank you so much for watching. Let's get into the conversation right now. Linda Scott's in the man Cave and whenever he's in town, he's more than welcome the man Cave. A last he's got his own is none other than the wonderful Matt Canavan. Matt, let's just jump through a couple of big things, because while I was sitting back there in cans on the weekend, just you know, making the most of my time on
a jet ski your mind starts to wander. So I'm going to bring some of the most dangerous things you can do on television, which is to wonder out loud. Okay, people like a fully cooked and prepared meal. I am just putting a whole bunch of ingredients on the table and let's see what we come up with. Okay. So first questions. First, the power bills actually matter any more in Australian politics because Matt, we would have seen every pole and we would have seen everyone blow up about it.
But we had a government that lied for three years. We had a government that has made everything more expensive. We have a government that has been handsomely rewarded. Is the reality that people love a bitch and moon, but they didn't change your vote on it.
It was nothing like the North queenslande humidity, Paul. To clarify your thinking, people just have a different way of thinking up here.
At least I find reassuring for our future.
Look, I think the problem with the election was, Paul, we didn't have a plan to reduce them, to reduce power bills. So I absolutely think the cost of living, power bills inflation top of mind for almost all the strains certainly. I'm sure both parties polling said the same thing. When you ask people what's their biggest issue and biggest concern, it was inflation, it was the cost of living.
I just felt that on my side of politics, we did.
Not have a coherent plan to reduce electricity prices in a short space of time. I do believe nuclear could help do that over time, but of course that would take ten years.
It's a long time for people to wait.
And then at the end we came up with a gas plan, but our own modeling showed that was only going to reduce power prices or power bills I should say, by three percent. And now I lay the Labor party given their due. They turn their Medicare card into a cost of living issue. Let's wait and see if it's going to be another broken promise for labor because they say that everyone's going to be bog billing for the next three years.
And again the GPS themselves about that, well, you know, eight and a half up to nine out of ten serving around say yeah, that's not going to be the case. I know that that promise, remember like the two seventy five, oh, the modeling changed and just completely allowed to get away with it. It'll be no doubt the same in the
next three years. But Linda, you must be loving the idea that you sit back here and you see that not only is the Labour Party get a third of the vote, they get basically that middle third when it comes to preferences, which means you end up with ninety four seats. I think they're right up to the number that John Howard won in ninety ninety six maximum position of power logically looking at multiple terms after all of that. Yet there is a conversation aggressively being held inside the
coalition as it will be. But certainly the Conservative Party is now, including with our mate Matt which is not in at zero because of the well articulated arguments they've all made in the past. And you saw Andrew Hasty again bouncing around on Channel two tonight saying that it's a straight jacket and it's one that he wants to get out of. Do you hope that the Conservative side of politics continues to never resolve this issue?
Look, I hope that Australians get a good government. Actually, we've got Victoria and decimated by drought. We've got New South Wales with record floods and we've got a Liberal National Party that simply can't stop talking about themselves.
We don't pretend that we can change it with.
It's actually well, we can have a power plan that actually reduces the impact of climate also reduces China.
We did everything sixteen times. I'm not being offensive. I'm just saying, no one's promising to change your weather.
I'm never offended. I love to debate.
No one's pretending they're going to be able to change your weather. But that seems to be the underlying.
That everybody reads a government ball that actually focuses on the problems of Australians at hand. And this is the whole issue, isn't it. We have issued by a mile during the election who did not focus on the issues that mattered to normal Australians. We've got so much of New South Wales decimated by terrible floods.
Sometimes none of that will be reversed.
Work on req whether we have women.
And nobody nobody is going to be talking about this for it seems months in the.
Liberal and National Party.
It's not my job to give anybody advice, but Australians deserve a good government that focuses on the issues that matter.
And my point is this, and this is what's tough to hear, okay, but again that North Queensland humidity, the free air of a jet ski ride, feeding crocs, it all. Just now I get the clear thinking of Matt Canevan all the time, right, which is to say, look, I don't care about what all the poles and this and to that, just this is what I think. Bang on, shoot straight and see what happens. It hits or it doesn't. I'm in that mood tonight, okay, which is Matt Again.
I understand the logic of every time we talk about nit zero what the consequences are, But aren't we also in a scenario where all of the state governments are either at thirty or fifty or seventy five percent. So even if the federal government or the federal Liberal Party was the national party, was able to coalesce around in zero, yes,
that's the federal policy. But when you've got a local council declaring climate emergencies, the states that are in charge of the energy greed in many ways, how do those two systems meet up?
Well, Paul, and just on what Linda says, of course we need to help those affected by drought or floods, but I don't think it also should be used as an excuse to ignore these other big issues as well. We can do both things. I know my National Party colleagues, despite claims on the ABC, Pat Conahan and Alison Penfold, have been literally out there scrubbing mud from people's homes
and businesses the last few days. And then the left wing media jumps on this narrative saying they're not even in their electorates.
They're in camera. It was just a light dead set light.
Thankfully that's been corrected by the ABC, but it was got around the world before it could be. And then on this issue that you raise their Paul, Look, I think it's about time we have this debate for our tree.
Things are not going well. Of course. The government has basically given up on lowering power prices. I mean, if you think that that our.
Power prices now should just have to remain the highest in the world and that's the way it goes, well, fair enough, that's what the government is promising. They're not even saying they're going to lower your power bills. But I actually think there is a plan to do so. And you say that what about local and state governments, Well, we can win these arguments. We can change the course of lots of different governments by taking up the fight.
I know here in Queensland or the Queensland l and P today they've just canceled our major win project because of the local people. Guess what don't want it? They don't want it's one just close to where I am here is out there and spoken to the residents. And what will I don't want to stop.
We'll look at New Zealand as well.
New Zealanders stop investment in Australia. It will cost jobs in Australia.
What do you think local people deserve to say? I'm not lenders, as simple as that. Do you think who side do you want?
Less?
Serious? Seriously, lend, whose side do you want?
You're on the global investors side or you're on the local communities who don't want their bushland ravaged. I mean, seriously, what side are you on? I'm on the side of local Australian people. I don't give us stuff too much about the global investors who want to rape and pillage our native bushland. Sure they want to make money. Good luck to them, but I'm not on their side. I'm on the side of people who want to protect the
native bushland of this country. That Moonlight Range they were going to devastate with two hundred and eighty meters high wind turbines was an absolute environmental disgrace. And I'm sick and tired of no offense, Linder.
But people who don't even come opinion.
And visit these areas saying that somehow this is a terrible thing. To stop these projects and protect our bush land. I've been there, I've spoken to the residents. They do not want this project, and I think those Australians deserve to have their voice heard wherever it is in Brisbane or Canberra, and not run over roughshod by international investors that the Labor Party seems unable to say no to.
All right, if you want to respond after the break, you may do, sir Linda. In the meantime, we will take that break, we will return to the conversation again. The most dangerous thing you can do in public life is to wonder out loud. That's the mood I'm in. I think I'm going to be in it for a few more days. And I look forward to the conversations that will come from it. They are truly dangerous because I don't know where they're going to go. I don't
know whether where they're going to end up. Okay, it's not just going to be, you know, good vibes and good news. Sometimes they might be just one or two rocks that aren't that pleasant to see, or you'll have to spit them out. But at least we'll be talking about things. We'll get to that in the moment's time. All right, speed around now with two people who I know we could fill the rest of the night with.
And I'm going to mood for the chat none other than sitting to meet Canavan and Linda Scott as well as in the man Cave. Now very quickly, if you can, Matt again. I just want to bring people up to speed with things and then they can make their own decisions. Right. But we hear that one of the sticking points is in and around the divestiture powers in relation to things
like supermarkets. Now, I'll be really honest, I've got a vague idea of what this is, but I reckon there's a massive chance there's a lot of people watching us right now. Who've heard this is one of the four sticking points, but they actually have no idea what it means. Can you give me the thirty second stump speech? What are we talking about? What does divestit you mean? Does it mean the government walks in and says no cosmwoollies too big? What does it mean?
It means a stricter, stronger penalties on big businesses that treat small businesses and farmers with disrespect. About ten years ago, we saw Cole's be found guilty of unconsciable conduct where they just simply demanded a payment of hundreds of thousands of dollars from a small business that strain small business oats. The judge in that case could only find them ten million dollars. The judge herself said that that was clearly in inadequate fine for a company that has a turnover
of over thirty billion dollars a year. And so in those cases, I think there should be strict penalties in place.
You should not.
Allow big businesses to bully smaller businesses like that. These laws, these so called divesture laws, would give the courts an option to demand the breakup of a company.
It's very severe but they do. It exists.
Such penalties exist in the US and Canada and Europe. Very strange we don't have them.
Too, Linda, what do you think of it?
Look, I think it's important to debate laws in the public domain where people feel comfort and confidence that this consultation going on. I think what Australians don't want is to put in place, in this case, with Australia's supermarket industry, thousands and thousands of people's jobs because there's a secret behind closed doors negotiation going on about policies and maybe future laws depending on if this rebel get into.
Government and price gouging.
I think that Australians feel comfortable and confident that this is the best way to make policy because this is in the end really serious and.
About thousands of jobs.
So we can have our arguments, but the kinds of things you're trying to introduce in this what is essentially negotiation over positions in a tiny rump of a party, things like nuclear power are like thousands of Australian jobs in the supermarket industry. This is the way to engage in a negotiations about treasure or the shadow shadow treasure.
I'd have to go through a word normal.
You until Matt, you're not a piece of legislation to principle.
Until recently, Matt, you were openly seeking to be the government of this nation.
I don't think you would deny that.
And what you're doing now is trying to form policies that underpin in reality. This was policy, but this was our policy agreement, treasure Lend, Treasure Lenda.
I don't pretend I'm not too critical. You probably don't.
Weren't aware about policies, that's fine, But we took this policy to the election. I think you're under a misapprehension we actually this, this particular policy was the policy.
If you believe what you read in the newspaper, you were seeking to go further than the policy you took to the election and have over the coalition agreement. So you're correct if we're wrong there. If you want to weaken the policy, you're correct if we're wrong.
But a couple of quick ones before we a couple of quick ones here in South Australia. No core flutes, A state elections great, make this national I hate them. And apparently you know there's a bilection coming up in the next couple of weeks and oh there's worries people may not vote because they may not know an elections on, because there's not posters everywhere. If you don't know there's
an election on, then guess what you're going to copy? Fine, but I would not like to see for the seven months before an election the face of somebody I'm not going to vote for that. I'm not interested in being shoved down out. I couldn't care less. Is there a person who is intimidated by all? There are more houses with this poster up than the shove it. It's old school, it's nineteenth century politics. Bugger off. Why am I wrong, Linda?
You're in your front yard? But I do agree with you, and many.
Many califuls I hate them.
No, no, many many councils actually said you can't put them up on power.
Pots any way, mate, No they don't.
In New South Wales there are a whole bunch of marginal seats that had no posters up on power palls.
Given you a list if.
You went to the Central Coast last election, the one before this most recent one, there were.
Bazillly councils who don't enforce it.
I want to say, I was impressed. I thought the councils enforced it better this time. They were left posted and that was.
A good thing.
Yeah, all right, Matte, go for it.
Can I just offer the quick count of you. I agree. Not on power poles, that's crazy.
But but but a lot of these laws, Paul, don't forget, are there to protect incumbents.
And I'm one of the big parties. But if you, if you ban these.
Type of posters going up, it makes it very hard, makes it very hard for smaller parties and independent candidates to get their name recognition out there. And I think we should have competition our political process. I have no problem with them during the election period, not for seven months. They're not allowed for seven months in queens at least during the election period a few weeks. I think it's fair enough to let people run and get their face and name out there.
So you were impressed at the start with the North Queensland air and now at the end you've gone right enough.
And that was three days of it. Too much common sense was coursing through myveins.
Thank you. Send in a future senator, will talk to you all again very much into the future. All right, quick break back with more, lots more to talk about, including education. I know how much you care about it. I do. Sorry today just blew my mind. Blew my mind about the double standards we have that in a second, what about the rubbish that took place yesterday in Victoria.
This nonsense of the gangs back and forth and deciding to meet in the middle of the day in a shopping center, machetes, all the rest of it, that was part of the focus of the media.
One of the people involved holding a lunch.
There were screams of knife. There was a machete scene, machete terror inside one of Melbourne's busiest shopping senses, a man with a huge blade facing off with two others. And today the Allen governments turned around and said that it will now be illegal to sell anything longer than twenty centimeters as a blade in Victoria.
These knives are dangerous weapons. They have no place on our streets anywhere, and that is why I will introduce as many laws to get these dangerous knives off the streets, which is why I'm announcing today that effective immediately, will be bringing in place a ban on the sale of machetes.
But guess what, the same premiere two months ago. Two months ago said that that might be a little bit too difficult. That was the two hard box. So well done to the Age who wrote about this, saying that two months ago the government rejected the idea of using consumer Lord to stop the retail giant anaconder blah blah blah from being able to sell such things. And of course it's not the first time. Yesterday is not the
first time a machette has been used in Melbourne. In fact, a quick check of the archives, the word machete has appeared more than just yesterday. Mate.
A Keysbra homeowner has warned off a group of machete bandits trying to steal his Mercedes at seven in the morning. Victorious police chief has voiced his disgust over a Sint Kilda machete attack that left a thirty nine year old man with a horrific head wound. A machete wielding intruder has run off in his socks after smashing his way into a Keilor East property and ditching his shoes in the large room.
Fingers crossed. People in Victoria have got a BS detector finally for this mob. Oh, we couldn't do it two months ago. It's been around for how many years now? Oh? But will pass as many laws VEDI. Anyway, another story today, This one pops up I think in the Guardian, which was that a collection of teacher have said that there's a culture of disrespect inside our schools, which is why, in part, the behavior of kids in our schools is one of the reasons why they're pulling the pin and
don't want to work in our schools anymore. Can you meet me at camera four? Okay, everyone, Surprise, surprise. For thirty years, every kid's got a prize. And guess what. Those kids went to UNI and those kids decided to become teachers or managers or tea or politicians, and they have a different worldview than previous generations who have believed that one of the ways that school prepares you for real life is when you are disciplined by a teacher.
Your parents, when you tell them about that discipline, side with the teacher because you did the wrong thing. But for thirty years, now, thirty years, we've told the teacher they can't discipline the kids. We've told them that hundreds of millions of dollars, hundreds of billions of dollars is the way to solve. More money. More money. The OECD says that our classrooms are so disruptive that we are
towards the worst performers in the world. That's been happening for years as we have systematically new to the teacher's ability to control a classroom. The kids are getting away with murder and when the parents question the teacher, when the teacher punishes the kid and the parent expects the teacher to pull the kid into line when they won't pull the kid into line at home, good luck hopefully.
And I know there are great teachers out there. But if the kids who were bad kids are the ones who end up becoming the people that are supposed to discipline the next round, guess what's going to happen. Nothing like debates next