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This is Paul Murray Live Cat. I nice to be back in the man Cave. Thank you to everyone in Capin Sawis in Bendigo. That is a spectacular part of Australia. We've been doing this for a few years now and I hope that the message gets through. See Australia. Literally, go to the drive in at Charters Towers, go to the fish and chip shop at Torquaie. I could name them all, and probably we should put together a list, but certainly bend to go right up there. The experience
of the trams and so much more. What a beautiful part of Australia. Thank you to everyone for turning up. We'll be doing it outdown again next year, so looking forward to all of that. Now we're in the twenty first century, and remember what the hope of the twenty first century was. Now, okay, we haven't quite got the flying cars yet, but think about it. It's literally almost twenty five years twenty four years to be exact, since
the Sydney Olympics. Those of us that were lucky enough to be alive at the time, remember what that felt like. Forget all the white to stuff, this was this giant leap forward into the beginning of modernity. For those that were old enough to remember TV show on Channel seven for years called Beyond two thousand. This was all about the future and the future technologies and the robots that we're going to take care of us. Well, there we are a quarter of the way into the magic of
the twenty first century. And yes, while there is a device that means you can video call someone on the other side of the world, and there's probably a technology that is incredible, there is some ridiculous stuff as well. Tomorrow in and around Sydney parts of New South Wales, it's going to be hot the day after bloody hot, pushing the best part of forty now. Of course, this will not be the first day between now and the
end of summer, and it won't just be Sydney. This will be something that's going to happen all over the country, you know, summer and people have the right in twenty first century Australia to use the technology that has been invented a long time before the twenty first century to cool themselves down at the height of a hot day or to heat themselves up in the middle of a
cold night. But amazingly, a quarter of the way into the twenty first century, people are being warned not to use this technology because it might put too much strain on the electricity grid and there might end up being blackouts. Now, we've received these warnings multiple times before, and I don't know whether the people that are behind the warnings try to put them out in order that nothing happens. So they turn around and say, look, everything's fine. The system's
more robust than ever before. But just like every other warning that we get about a catastrophic bushfire day that's on its way, or any other warning that comes, we've got to take it seriously. And the people managing our power grids you've just seen have said that there is a chance that this stuff is going to not work.
In the next couple of days. There's millions of people turn to a technology that existed before the twenty first century to cool down their homes, let alone fans, let alone the pool filters that people will go for a swimming. The story today was that a EMO remains focused on maintaining electricity reliability in both New South Wales and Queensland next week, as high temperatures are expected to drive strong energy demand and make significant generation unavailability In New South Wales.
The Energy Ministry in New South Wales was carrying on today saying things like, well, do you really need every light on? Do you need to have that fan on all day? Do you really need the air condition of belting away at nineteen degrees when it's forty degrees outside? What can I say on the behalf of the people who have paid through the nose for power prices for the past three years, but for a lot longer than that. Yes, we have every right to use every appliance in our
house whenever we want to. Now, of course, if you overuse these appliances, well then the bill is the reason why you don't do it. But remember in that Chris Human documentary from just a few days ago, there are people who are trying to turn off every line and not use the air conditioner, and not turn on the heater and not turn on the fan, who are being billed within less than one hundred dollars of all of the money that they have to have access to the
energy grit. And while much of our conversation and politics and the three card Monte trick and the shell game of the cost of transition. The reality is that many of us are facing huge bills that are not directly linked to our actual usage of electricity. This in and of itself is the fundamental frustration that Australians have right
now when it comes to power prices. Now, of course, the reason why we are where we are is because the coal fire power plans, which have served us so well for yes, much of the twentieth and still a quarter of the way into the twenty first century, well, they've slowly been run down. They've been run down by the governments them own them, or the governments that sold them off to private companies who have run them down.
Because you see, while it is the primary source of energy for the country, when you're the only one producing it, guess what happens It costs more. So, slowly but surely, scarcity has been introduced into the market, meaning that whatever technology is on at the time is the one that
can charge through the roof. We've also had a scenario where in the past three years, despite the fact that Australia is just one percent of global emissions problems, the Left has been able to convince more than half of all of Australians back in twenty twenty two that part of our drastic need to deal with climate change was to change from an energy greed that has served saved us for a long period of time and replace it
with one that might into the future. And of course, at the same time as we're trying to replace like for like ish, there are more people in the country than ever before, and there are more things than ever before which need electrification, everything from cars to stoves and a whole collection of things that even ten years ago people were not using. When it comes to electricity, the result, of course, has been that the system that has been put in place to try to replace the one that
had worked has not come on fast enough. There is not enough solo there are not enough wind farms, and there are not enough batteries to be able to replace what was being slowly shut down or blown up by governments who put simply by doing so, have said, oh, this is only one option, and this is the option you're all going to have to take, and you're all
going to have to pay through the nose. And the exchange is that a quarter of the way through the twenty first century, when it's a hot day in the lead up to summer in twenty first century Australia, Please don't turn your reconditioner on. In exchange for every other day where you don't need your reconditioner, we will charge you like wounded bulls, as if you had been leaving your conditioner on for twenty four to seven, for three
hundred and sixty five days. No surprise. People have had enough. Now. We understand that you don't use the technology of the nineteen fifties for the solutions of the two thousand and fifties. But the idea that Australia is going to change the planet because of where we get our energy from is
just not true. And before someone runs off to the umpire and says kind of denialism in stinis primet, I've noted that just the facts, China thirty three times the polluter that we are in this country, one that is planning to pollute plant more between now and twenty thirty
let alone fifty, let alone sixty. But because Australia is part of those countries that have been made to feel guilty about the modernity that they embraced a long time before, the Chinese countries like Australia, who are one percent of the problem. Are being told that they have to up the numbers that have produced this ridiculous system that are
quarter the way into the twenty first century. You are being warned by your government to double check that all the lights are turned off because God forbid, there may not be enough power because of the choices that have been made by state and federal governments. Bugger them. Use whatever appliance you want to be as comfortable as possible, because that absolute truth is just like on the coldest of cold days, when somebody doesn't turn on a heater,
they might get sick. The same could be the case when it comes to air conditioning. It is your right, it is your availability. It is the modern comforts of the twenty first century that you can do it. But all of these targets which have seen us make a whole collection of decisions. So the front end of the plane or the private jet club can go around the world to point about how we're so much better than the rest of the world, even though wear one percent
of the world's climate problems. Get ready for an increase in even the forty three percent reduction that was put in place after the last election, because you see all of those countries that get together at those international climate conferences, the ones that are so important that apparently Australia should bid to host one in Adelaide, But they're so unimportant that the Prime Minister has not gone to two of the last three, instead sending along that idiot Chris Bowen
to sign us up to, among other things, compensating countries like China for continuing to pollute the atmosphere way worse than Australia has ever done. But you see there's a little trick that's coming. They know in twenty nineteen that a forty five percent reduction target was in part what
did in Bill Shorten. They knew that they were able to squeak over the line forty three percent reduction target by twenty thirty because the promise was that your power bills would go down by two hundred and seventy five dollars. But that's not true, that was never true, but that was their promise. And now the chances are that it's going to be a lot higher. And if we go
into a minority government. The Teals won seventy five percent, the Greens won higher than seventy five percent, So that's why When the Prime Minister is asked this question today, you should pay deep attention to his answer because under their current plan, which is law law, if it's hot, they're telling you you can't use your air conditioner because the entire grid might collapse.
Labor has refused to announce when it will release it's twenty thirty five emissions reduction target at COP twenty nine, Minister Bowen said next year, when we bring forward our nationally determined contributions, we must all strength and efforts and deliver our highest possible ambition. Why is the Albanese Labor government keeping its target a secret? And can the Prime Minister guarantee that it won't lead to increased energy prices for Australian families?
Perfect question, right, the Prime Minister, though, turning around and saying why he will not announce what the next version of this stuff is with all of the same consequences that have been here for the past three years, knowing that it would become electorally unpalatable to people, hoping that what really will be the case is that, just like Julia Gillard before the election, you say there will be
no climate tax and no climate carbin. There we go tax under the government I lead only to deliver one because we're in a minority government. The Greens tell us we have to do so or I wouldn't be in government anymore. That's their hope coming out of the next election is that the Teals and the Greens will push them way further than the Australia in public is willing to accept. Otherwise, the entire Parliament would be full of
Teals and Greens. But because they're ten or less than ten percent in the Australian population, the far left tail will wag Elbow's dog, and he's come up with a spectacular way of pretending that he doesn't have to tell you what the number is going to be for the next three years. Here he was in response to the question in Parliament today.
One of the provisions that was carried with amendments was that the Climate Change Authority had to give us advice about future targets.
That is the law. That is the law.
The Climate Change Authority gives us the advice based upon the science science, and then we announced the target based upon the science consistent with getting to net zero by twenty fifty.
That's the process. But who's the person in charge of the Climate Authority. Oh, that's right, it's this guy, the guy who of course was formerly part of the New South Wales government. Now standing side by side with the Prime Minister, he will be the one who the Prime Minister will say, well, we have to do what he
says because he's decided what the target is. And what happened when that blog was in charge of the New South Wales energy system, the very same system that people tomorrow are being told not to turn on their air conditioner. What was his stewardship of that system? Well, funnily enough, we have the tape and here's the pressing of play.
So what we want to say is if there is an opportunity for people to reduce their energy usage, so perhaps not using the dishwasher until you go to bed that would help.
This is garbage. This is garbage. For as long as there has been a power bill, Australians have been doing their best to try to conserve the amount of energy that they use. We all know the joke about the dad walking around saying, oh, bloody hell, do I live in some sort of a factory? Year off the light turn off, the light turn off, the loa dow do we really we get that we've all lived with it, we all slowly become that person as the year's roll
on and we're the one's paying the bills. But when the people who are turning off all the lights, not using the air conditioner, using as little power as they possibly can, remember the blow that we showed you from a current affair who walked outside his house every day and turned it off at the switchboard to try to save money. Yet his power bill stick keeps going up for a system that doesn't work anymore. Then, surprise, surprise, Australians will wake up. They will stick their middle finger
and they will say, I get it. We're part of a globe, and we'd all love the globe to go on forever, and we love a better environment. But bugger you that I have to sit there on the coldest day or the hottest day, sweating or shivering so you can feel better when you go to an international conference. Bugger you use whatever you want because you're paying for it anyway. As for the prime, not another good day for him. He's running out of them before the next election.
Now I stand by my predictions that look, you got to see what happens with the Taels. This bloke obviously deserves to go, but we'll all see what happens. Believe me, even when the crickets on. Keep watching the show until we're done at the end of the year. Series link it from the start of the year, because I've got a feeling the second we we're all back to work in January, maybe even before we're going to be off to on an election. So it doesn't matter what sports on.
Make sure you are watching this show. Okay, if you've got the Foxtel box series link. If you watch us on Flash, favorite the show. If you're watching us on YouTube, subscribe to the channel because there's going to be a lot happening while the government hopes that you are not paying attention. And I don't want this summer to be like last summer where people are being kept in the dark metaphorically yet still being fed the diet of a mushroom.
This government has decided that they are going to try to land seventy six planes in one week in Federal Parliament, seventy six pieces of legislation that it will, of course make life tougher, more expensive, more regulation or create new systems where the government isn't responsible for anything. We certainly know that one of those that hit the deck hard was the want to censor the Internet, something that of
course was formally withdrawn from the Senate today. Our guest Matt Canavan, one of those who was cockerhoop and happy that they failed on one of the seventy six, just.
Wanted to take the opportunity to celebrate the great victory for free speech that has been struck this morning. This bill was the most anti democratic piece of legislation ever come before this Parliament and I want to say thank you to those thousands of Australians that gave up their free time to fight for the basic rights of all Australians, including future Australians.
As for the Labor Party, now they didn't remove this because they saw the error of their ways. They are still sooking. There are still people that are sitting around that Cabinet table who hope that should they be returned at the next election, that this garbage comes back.
It's very disappointing that again we see that teaming up between Peter Dutton and the Greens to block legislation that Labor is attempting to pass, and that the community support. I think about eighty percent of the Australian community would agree that misinformation and disinformation online and on social media is a really serious issue that the Parliament should come together on.
I want you to remember this going into the next election when it comes to what you do with your number one vote and what you do with your preferences, because by what they had to vote, say, they had to vote and not some legal document you have to follow. You're in charge of your preferences. You decide what happens
with them. And I want you to remember that it was the Labor Party who tried to censor the Internet, and I want you to remember every one of these politicians who stood up when it was in the Lower House and agreed with the idea of censoring the Internet. Roll that one.
The Internet enabled instant communication, but in doing so has exposed us to unforeseen social risk, eroded public trust in traditional democratic institutions, and left us questioning the nature of truth itself.
And a big part of the reason that we've seen an erosion in trust in our institutions has been because the spread of miths and disinformation has been allowed to flourish in this country.
But They can also be used in ways that pose a threat to democratic processes through disinformation campaigns that undermine trust in public institutions and exacerbate divisions within society.
All the sales, all the Greens. Remember, these are the people that want to be the tail that wags the prime ministerial dog after the election. The people who want to put forward massive changes to our power grid, but wouldn't dare have a single solar panel disrupt one of the doggy parks in their electorates. These are the people who want to ban you from being able to see something that is not officially signed off by the government as the truth of the day. What could possibly go
wrong with all of this? The Prime Minister, of course, has changed the subject. He thinks that the big winner is not the plan to censor the Internet for adults, but instead to ban certain parts of the Internet for people under the age of sixteen. Prime Minister patting himself on the back as they start to move quickly through the Parliament this week to ban kids' access to certain social media platforms.
I've seen people point out that nowhere else in the world has this been done yet, and that's true, But I also know that every serious government in the world is grappling with this issue and looking to take action. And when it comes to the well being of our young people, I don't want to way around on the rest of the world. Oh in Australia to be one of the leading nations in the world a.
Bit of a step down, isn't it. This is the bloke who wanted to change the constitution twelve months ago and that would be his signature legacy. Instead it's about what apps people will be allowed to use in the country. More to talk about with Matt Canavan at a moment
or two is time. But while he's patting himself on the back about how incredible this peaceful legislation is and how it's going to save a whole bunch of kids, he wanted to leave a little asterisk one that means when inevitably people break this law, when inevitably people misuse social media, and when inevitably the bullying that has taken too many lives will continue to take lives. He's got a little bit of wiggle room.
I've seen people say the law won't fix everything, and it won't work in every situation.
That's correct.
You can't have perfect law in an area like this relating to technology that will work one hundred percent perfectly, one hundred percent of the time.
Oh no, hang on, han't do we have a song for that? We find the guy who's got no responsibility despite having the ultimate responsibility. Get ready for the top dance.
Go go go, go, go go go, am My fault.
That's the way he plays. That's the song ringing in his head each and every day. There was a one day investigation into this today in the Senate. Important legislation that we desperately need, and every single other government is looking at us. But the total amount of scrutiny one day, one day. People were told on Thursday that they had till Friday to fill out the forms to turn up and they had one day to give their evidence today.
And guests who blew a giant hole in one of the things that is not banned under this legislation for the third time I mentioned him, Matt Canavan, who's on the show tonight.
But if YouTube's covered, I mean there's a video sharing for non explicit content video content, Well, wouldn't pornhuborn cover?
I think they have very different purposes.
We'll explain that to me, Sorry, I think this is.
Under the definition we wouldn't see porn hub as falling within scope. They got no idea what they're doing. There were multiple psychologists who argued both sides of this thing. Now, I'm very much on the record about how pernicious and how nasty and how evil social media is and how
rotting it is to our kids. But the idea that the world is watching us to take the first step towards banning these things, and the amount of effort that they're putting into it is four fifty bugger all as they're trying to get a win in the end of a political year which has been filled with losses, should
frighten everyone. The idea that we're going to set up this whole system to make sure that a thirteen year old can't get access to TikTok, but no such system will exist for the kid to be able to watch horrific pornography which changes their entire perceptions about their own physicality and the expression of their sexuality. Where there are plenty of psychologists who have spoken about that tells us
everything about how they have rushing into this thing. They're rushing in too hard and they're doing it literally so they can have a win, which surprise, surprise, is all about them and never really about you, your kids or
your grandkids. But apparently the big issue in Parliament today we had to be told was that Lydia Thorpe and Marine Ferruki believe that there needs to be a state inquiry that would go longer for a day into the banning of what apps our kids are allowed to have or not have, and it should be into racism in the parliament. That apparently, racism and sexism is the single
biggest worry in and around the corridors of Parliament. Not cost of living, not the constituents of whom they work, No, no, no, here they are.
First Lydia thought we know too well from the beginning of coming into this so called workplace that it's simply not safe if you're a woman of color. Now, just last week you saw a black woman, a black senator with a black loud mouth, loud and proud, get shut down and sensh it. Well, I do wear that with a badge of honor.
Please please, Oh, the system was going after the loud and player of blackness. Please. The system didn't even brush you with a letter sleep let alone a little whack on the wrist for screaming at the king. Oh, I hate the colony, but geez I love when the pay turns up on the fifteenth of each month for her partner in Ferruki.
When you dare call out racism and the double standards used in this place, you are shut down, you're silenced, and you are diaslighted. If there is any workplace that needs unpacking of white fragility and white privilege, it is right here in this Parliament.
To something way more important than that rubbish Parliament. Tonight is lit up in orange part of I think a couple of weeks of recognition about the problems of domestic violence that exists in this country and around the world. And yes, too many women die, and too many people are assaulted, and men are too and there is no one whoever wants to down play anything to do with this area because we all know how damn important it is.
And today in question Time, knowing that this was the start of a week focused on all of this, he had both sides of politics. I think Peter Dutton was away for family reasons today, saying the obvious.
We think of every woman robbed of the future she had every right to live. Every death is its own universe of devastation.
And today we don't just condemn the violence. We go further and recommit ourselves to the aim of eliminating gender based violence because we cannot and should not accept this violence. And today is about committing ourselves to that task.
Great good who could disagree. While all of that was happening, the most recent insight into this issue was playing out in the Northern Territory. The coroner in the Northern Territory was investigating multiple women's debts that were linked back to the violence that was allegedly perpetrated by their partners. This is rough, This is tough, but I'll save you from the worst of the details. He's Matt Cunningham trying to explain it for you.
Senior police and victims' families listened. Coroner Elizabeth Armitage delivered her findings into the deaths of four Aboriginal women killed by their violent partners. She described domestic violence in the Northern Territory as a national shame, detailing how another eight women and one sister girl had been killed since June one this year.
Welcome to the inconvenient truth of many of the numbers that people talk about in and around this issue. It's something that just Centerprice has been bravely talking about long before she was in the Federal Parliament. But once she got to the Federal Parliament, she brought with her women who had stories of what was happening in their communities. Remember that when she went door to door, no one wanted to interview them. We did. We talked about it.
We spoke to you, sinner, and we've spoken about this issue for a long time. There is no better report are in the country on this stuff than Matt Cunningham in the Northern Territory. And it's a privilege to work for the same joint as him. Indigenous women are far more at risk of domestic violence, according to the statistics, than anyone else in our country. That's not me making it up. You can go to left wing academic websites
like The Conversation to make that point. We're According to the recent analysis, Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander women were thirty two times more likely to be hospitalized for an injury associated with violence than non Indigenous women. There are eight times. They are eight times more likely to be the victim of homicide. This figure is higher in some areas such as Western Australia. We're recorded Aboriginal mothers, which recorded Aboriginal mothers as seventeen and a half times more
likely to be the victim of homicide. So to all of those that quite correc will have their lunches, have their brunches, have their conversations and write their articles, please talk about this inconvenient truth. There are serious problems that exist in the Indigenous communities when it comes to this stuff.
I remember sitting at a symposium of forum, a thing that justinter Price was at, and a collection of other strong Indigenous women were and they spoke right to the heart when they said that white women have had their revolution to be respected, but in their view, Indigenous women had not been. This is in part why Australians voted the way they did twelve months ago. But this is part of our national shame. Yet, I bet this is the first time you're hearing about any of these statistics.
No one will give this speech in Parliament, with the exception of someone like Jacinta. The idea that Lydia Thorpe is the one getting shut down as a proud loud black woman when the one who's actually speaking up or the proud Indigenous women who don't have the same voice. It's just enter price. Is why we've got to keep our eyes on the real stories, the real issues here. Apparently today the issue was racism in our federal parliament.
Can you believe it? That's their priority today. That's why they held a press conference and that got to run in the media. Anyone going back and having a look at those statistics, Oh, just some typical evil way of a right wing talksure hosts trying to change you know, the usual garbage. You want to talk about gas lighting. It's not that chat anytime. Two different things now, as we move towards Christmas, Christmas lights and I love the tradition, I've never quite got the ability to do it at
my own house. I think about it all the time. I know my dad is good at apt but I just never so in the end, a little bit in anny inflatable Homer done. However, there are those who, of course fully commit to all matters to do with Christmas lights. But guess what complaints mean? The best one in Brisbane won't be up this year, and guess what the best one in Melbourne at Bayside. That won't be up either, Why because somebody complains who are these people and who
are the councils to give? In meantime, in a bit of pop culture, two big movies this weekend. It battled it out. It was this year's version of the Barbie and Oppenheimer thing where the ladies like to go to Barbie and the blokes went to Oppenheim. It reality was lots went to both. Wicked, which is the prequel to The Wizard of Oz, was on as well as Gladiator two, which I think they could have come up with a better name, but still any chance for a bit of sword,
sandals and gust. Well, guess what collectively about a quarter of a billion dollars at the box office more people saw Wicked than Gladiator two. We'll see what happens in the long run, but two good reasons to go the movies. A third, by the way, can I just explain this to There's an amazing movie outstarts the beautiful, wonderful, incredible Kate Winslin. It's called Lee, and it's about the only female war photographer in World War Two. Kate Winsor deserves
every award she's going to get for it. It's got connections back to Australia. Australians wrote it and made it. It's technically some of an Australian film, and for once an Australian film. You want to go and see Yes, Tough Stuff because it's about a war. But now you got three films to go and see Wicked, Lady out A two and Lee. Please see Lee this week because it will probably disappear from cinema sooner rather than later so they can make room for Wicked and all the
rest of it. And finally, Lefty MSNBC in the United States, you may have heard by now that it's a parent company, Comcast is thinking about well punting it. In fact, they're pulling together all of their cable channels, pushing them off into a separate business and hopefully selling that business off. Guess who might buy it? Old made Elon Musk is openly talking about the idea of buying the super lefty network just to sack some of these people. I'm sure many would dream to do the same with us, but
still you get the point. As for CNN, unaffected by this scenario, they're worried about the democracy, the democrasty.
Some inside MSMBC are taking must comments seriously, whether he's trolling or not. There is a serious undercurrent to this, and it is the following in some countries where we've seen democratic backsiding, where some oppositional media outlets have been
captured by the government process known as media capture. This is exactly what happens a ally of the leader like Musk comes in and buys a media outlet that is viewed as oppositional, and then he turns the content and makes it more friendly to the person in power.
Humpty dumpty place place. All of this is the silence of the media, like it's going to be Russia. I'll give you the tip. Just like the Washington Post ended up getting bought by a lifty billionaire. Most likely, even if HeLa Musk buys MSNBC, a lifty billion name will start something else. You see, that's the joy of capitalism. Well, unsurprisingly, the stations that stick around for the longest are the ones who are where the mainstream is not just war.
The nutbags like that blow Car who leave half their life on Twitter for their life watching television to talk about it on Twitter quick break back with morn You're on Paul Murray Live. Matt Canavan, I mentioned him plenty. He's got lots of talk about Sam Crosby too. Glad you're watching this Monday night, and thanks again to everyone
in Bendigate. We're off and racing for a great week tonight, all right, looking forward to this in the mank tonight, the wonderful Sam Crosby, who I've got to say he's got a great job ahead of him tonight because he's taking on a bloke who's making years and got three shoutouts in the editorial. Three shoutouts, it was noticed, is common sensor at Canavan Senator of course from Queensland taking it all record. Is that a record made? I reckon, you're right up there, like short of the Orange Man.
You're about as close to three shoutouts and an editory scene.
I'll happily stand next to him.
All right, So let's talk about there is and process really matters? Right? And I am sitting here thinking, look, we should spend five minutes on the idea that something as consequential as this had one day investigation in the Federal Parliament. We're literally there were two psychologists. There was a highlight on the Channel nine news, one psychologist saying
great idea, one psychologist saying bad idea. Right, They, of course, were only given one day's notice to put it all together, and Matt was in the room asking some of the probing questions before we get to the benefits or otherwise of what is being proposed to here. Matt, you also sort of you know, the rhetorical bazooka came out and bang, hold straight through the middle when you said, yeah, cool, okay, I get it about TikTok? Why are we banning that?
I was terrible for children? Why are we're doing it for Instagram? He has terrible for chilren, terrible for children anyway about porn Hub, like you know, the papers in the air, they had no idea. What made you think of that?
Actually it was instigated by Senator Malcolm Roberts who started the conversation. There can I just pause briefly, though, Paul, I do want to take a breath and thank everybody who helped defeat that terrible misinformation bill. Moving straight on the one, I just want to thank all your viewers, lots of them. I know where took up this fight, and not only did we defeat it, we absolutely buried it today with every senator in the Australian Parliament voting
to discharge it from the notice paper. So what a result. Thank you very much to everybody. So look on this. I mean this is a consequence I think of a rough job the government has. The reason I was asking that question is that the definition of social media platforms includes pretty much everything. So if you read it, it's just interaction between two people online, So it could cover Strava, it could cover up Pinterest, it can cover obviously explicit websites.
And then what the government's going to do is exclude a bunch of things. With a minister or power, that's the equivalent of a blank check to just go through and say okay, we'll exclude YouTube. They're saying that she's going to reinclude Snapchat somehow because snapchat's actually out, because later on it says messaging apps are out, but what's happened, signal will be out. It's all a dog's breakfast and
a mess I just wish we had more time. There's a law that's just gone through Florida, through the Great Ron DeSantis early year that did go through a proper process. Ron actually rejected the first proposal that came to him
from Congress, went back. They had to bit back and forth, and they've got a very targeted definition of what social media platforms are that looks at things like infinite scrolling, the ability to like things, the sort of things that might psychologically impact young children, rather than trying to just blanket van everything on the Internet. I think we should be looking at those alternative models. But instead of this ridiculous Christmas timeline, we've given it three days for a
Senate quarry. We've received fifteen thousand submissions in twenty four hours. Wow, fifteen thousand submission of twenty four hours, and of course we're just not going to be able to look at it anywhere near any of them. And so this is not the Parliament's finest hour. And I don't know why we can't just take a breath and come back to this next year and get it right.
Yeah. I mean, look, it feels to me like it's a government trying to find something to salvage from the term to be able to go to an election because they have no plans on returning to the Parliament. But Sam the sands seemed to be shifting here a little right where I think you would get pretty majority supported to barbecue about, hey, should we do something about our kids on social media? Right? The process, however, kind of matters here. What do you think about the arguments that
Matt's putting up about that. You know, unless you're going to take the time to actually try to define this stuff, well, then there's stuff that clearly you can become a member and send a message on that.
Should also be it is a really difficult area, and you know, to Matt substantive point, I think it should be slowed down and they should take some time. I get why the government leading into an election would want to have, as you say, something to hang their hat on. That said, this is probably not going to be a vote turning issue. If it gets it right. If it goes terribly wrong, then sure you're going to have a lot of very angry parents.
And it also doesn't kick in. I should say to everyone till twenty twenty six. People should go that it's not about passes tomorrow and then your kids have to delete the apps.
But when you think through what the issues out that people will turn their votes on, you know, it's economy, it's defense, it's health, it's education, its energy prices, it's a few of those sort of things, and they are the sort of things that will light up a voter going into into the polling bird. I just you know, this is the sort of thing that will light up a barbecue conversation, but probably not a vote changing conversation.
So I think they should, you know, to Matt's point, and he made it very well, sort of sit down and take the time and think through this about. You know, my daughter, for instance, says, I don't care if you ban me from She's she's twelve, and you know, a visceral opponent of this. She's right, she blamed She blames her mother, a minister in the state government, for banning her from this.
Now for his moving. We keep saying, it's not the state. It's not the state, Charlotte, it's not.
But you know, she keeps explaining, Look, she doesn't use Snapchat as a scrolling feature. She uses the messaging app to talk to all friends. So it's these little things that you do need to sort of think through and get on top off well, and also.
Don't forget to you know that when we talk about the bullying side of things, and there's plenty of that in around at the moment. It is the thing that parents fear is that the bullying that might happen at school follows you home in the middle of the night. And that is any form of the messaging right, the capacity to have so everything from your Facebook messenger through
to whatever you can communicate with. But you know, with a group of people all at once, that becomes part of the problem as well.
But Mad's point about it.
So the kids, Yeah, so the bullying continues.
But so the kids can just switch to that that is exactly the same app.
But the pornography is a really good point, you know. I mean, I think there's widespread agreement that you don't want kids going on these websites. You know, at what stage do you draw the line and where do you draw the line? I think it's worthwhile having that writtenversation.
Well.
Also, Matt again, you know, one of the most dangerous things you can ever do is wonder out loud live on the air because people say, well on stage, but I am going to wonder out loud for a seton to hear right possible solution to what they are talking about is that no one under the age of eighteen can own a smartphone. They're going to own a dumb phone, but they can't own a smartphone, meaning that they wouldn't have the physical technology to access all of these things.
Well, of course they still could through a computer, but that's a lot more clunky. But look, yeah, I don't I don't support that.
I want to nothing.
I think I think you know one thing, one thing, I do support limitations here on social media. I wish we got this right. I think one thing that seems to be just a little absent from the conversation is if you search through the entire bill, there's not a single mention of the word parent.
Wow.
And I do think there's a role for parents here, Like I'm not. I'm not completely saying it's all up to parents, because I realized they're getting smashed and there's a role perhaps for God but to provide some help and guidance and assistance here. But but not no role at all seems strange to me. So again that Florida. Sorry, sorry to go back to that, but I think it was done through a proper process. It allows kids that are fifteen or sixteen, So four aying or fifteen to
continue social media with parental consent. There's a process there for primal consent. My wife and I we've decided once kids get to high school, we'll let them have a phone. They're on the bus, we can communicate with them and we talk to them about what they can and can't use it. For some aps they can't use. But you know, I look, it hasn't we haven't had a problem. But every family is different, and I just don't like the idea of government coming along and having these blanket bands.
There are some really positive aspects of kids using social media too. I mean there's a young kid, Leo Pulzi. He's a competitor of yours in a way. Paul is doing his six News you know, I think he's doing great work, like yeah, very yeah, yeah, he's interviewed. He interviewed the Prime Minister on Twitter when he was fourteen, and now the PM is trying to ban other fortnight yearls are doing the same. It seems. Yeah.
I think the age is also something that should be investigated. I know the process that the Prime Minister went through to get this was to devolve responsibit essentially to the states, to ask them, and it's sort of filtered.
It's pretty high.
But sixteen is pretty high. You know, you think about we let kids work in this country. I think it's what fourteen and nine months or something in that order. So we're saying that you can work and earn money and pay tax at fourteen.
It just feels a bit hoth. Well, we're also saying that you can have you.
Can join the party when you're fourteen.
Correct, but you can do puberty blockers, but you can't talk about it on the internet. Yeah, exactly, thank you, but you appreciate it.
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Let's take an early break. I want to get into some other things, including or a quarter of the Way through the twenty first century. But tomorrow in New South Wales. Don't turn it on me conditionally because it might blow up the whole network. I want to see. Thanks thanks for watching us in ten minutes before off to the late debate. But we'll have our little conversation here of total agreement between Sam Crosby and of course Matt Canavan.
Why do you just assume that Matt and I are going to disagree when it comes to energy prices and climate? Now, when you're assuming that, yeah, climate, we've been very agreeable all that.
I have been here before. So Matt, tomorrow parts of New South Wales are going to be on their way towards forty. Wednesday it will be over forty Queensland again a little bit later in the week. Yet a quarter of the way into the twenty first century. I say it for the nineteenth time we are being told that the energy grid will not be able to handle people turning on their fans. I do not say it as
an act of civil disobedience. I just say, you pay for the privilege to use them, so use them, all right? But Matt, how the he? I mean, we know why we got here. But at what point do people turn around and say, you know what? Can we not just get this little message whenever it's really hot or really cold?
Well, the basic principle here is if you are worried about the weather, if you're worried about the weather becoming more extreme, as they say, why would you build a power system that is dependent on the weather. That is the core problem here. We need Love fifteen should have a power system that what do you say in Love fifteen, for it's in the middle of his thing scoring it.
He's just scored fifteen points fifteen. I was trying to cheat you on sorry, as I.
Think I'm the India in the test match at the moment, so where was I? But we should have a system, a power system with all the natural resources we've got against different and weather conditions, and we clearly don't have that right now. Probably the most shocking thing about what is potentially going to happen this week in you South
Wales is that it shouldn't be shocking. This is what the regulators have been saying now for years and warning us of happening, and it's almost now a matter of time before they are major blackouts somewhere unless we do something different. What are we doing right now in investing pretty much exclusively in sol and wind energy is not working?
The thing is, Sam, We've had these warnings multiple times before, and I feel like there's going to be a boy who cried Wilf effect around this is that, oh well, if we always skate through, then there's oth to see here. This is the rubber hitting the road. This is the problem. I just think it's an admission of failure when you have to tell the citizens that they can't use the utilities.
Yeah, A core promise of this is had to have been you can keep your lights on. Right. When you can't deliver on that promise, you've got you've got big problems. What I would say is this, The generators that we're talking about are forty to fifty minimum forty years old, forty fifty sixty years old. You try to run a forty fifty year old vintage car twenty four hours a day,
seven days a week, and see what happens. You know, it's just not going to work, right, So you know, but take that take that from one side.
Right, fifteen are at the end of the day.
I agree that renewables only is crazy. I agree where no, no, but whereas more points you know. But whereas Matt would say we have to build coal fire generators, I would say, firm and up with gas, right, okay.
Gas v COO. Matt, do you agree it's quite gas?
Maybe we can agree, do you think? But the question for Sam, I'm going to use this, let's go, The question is do you support do you support the government's policy of going to eighty two percent renewalb energy by twenty thirty just six years time, really five years time. Now that that's doubling what we've got right now in just five years. Do you think that's a good idea?
Honestly, Matt, I'm an educated man. I'm not nearly educated enough to say whether or not that's a good idea enough. I just don't know, right I.
Would hope that on the gas question.
But I would hope that when a minister comes out to make that commitment, they've got enough evidence and enough scientific weight behind them to give them some confidence. You instant answer to question, I would hope, and I would trust in the process.
All Right, you get one last chance to score one more point quickly. I'm going to rig it for you on the gas question.
The gas question, they new South Wales and Victoria basically banned gas production across fair whole states. And so where are we at here? I mean, we just got to get back to basics. Use all energy types. Got no problems with renewables, but col gas, uranium, everything a lot. Let to have energy abundance, Let's have cheaper power process games.
I've metch championship can event that's bullshit.
Sorry, I can I just say on that we need to take it to a domestic gas reservation scheme. It makes no sense that we're shipping all of our gas over to manufacturers.
Overseas and we're not for Australians. I can't reopen the match, but you did well. Love your brothers all right, Talking to you soon, quick break and back with the late debates you tomorrow night, Toller