Paul Murray Live | 25 June

From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live.

Thank you, Sherry, Welcome to the man Cave. There is a lot to get to, including tonight. What do the Greens and one Nation have in common? Believe it or not, there's some data that may well build a bridge.

It's weird, but we'll get to it in a second.

What role to social media not just play in our elections, but play in our politics and sometimes make the debate dumber than it has ever been? Some examples, some evidence in a moment. Wednesday night is five night here on put Murray Live. Lucy's Ellick will be here with Stephen Connory, who's always here to help and a place to say. She's back from the Greek I's the wonderful Meghan Kelly and I will have a conversation. I'm here, she's in

You don't have to treat everything like it's an eleven, I think, is what Trump is trying to say. That's how we got into never ending conflict here. Why don't we try to pretend it's still is a ceasefire and behave accordingly.

All right, let's kind of begin where we left off last night. As we speak, the NATO leaders are meeting in the Netherlands at the Hague. The images that we have seen of the past couple of hours have been interesting, including, of course, the President of the United States meeting a bunch of other world leaders. Those paying absolute attention have noticed that the Ukrainian leader, a lot of me Zelensky, is wearing a suit today at the NATO meeting. Now

Now.

I know it's the four hundred and twenty eighth time, and I know that polite society does not like it, But I loved, absolutely loved that Trump ripped in the way that he did yesterday. Because remember the whole of what he is trying to do is to draw a line under the twelve most recent days of conflict, not to decide an overall winner when it comes to the Middle East and the rights and wrongs, just to say, okay, we've all made our point. Stop and when they were

We basically have two countries that have been fighting so long and so hard that they don't know what they're doing? Do you understand that?

Bang boom boom?

Now it might just be because I am a cashtup bogue, but the reality is that a lot of people, if not dare I say, most swear. Do we expect a little better in our public officials. Sure, but every now and then allowed to show a certain level of frustration, and yeah, sometimes even go.

There, of course.

But what I love is the giant gulf between the people who are making TV and radio shows and the people who are watching them, who either cheered or booed, but may.

Well have said the same language. Back to the screens. Watch everyone tiptoe around the F bomb.

Today, key US weapon, the F bomb, A foulmouth tirade.

A furious Donald Trump has left the world stunned.

Donald Trump delivered a furious tirade puncture weighted with an expletive, oh.

Exclusive foul mouth. I get it.

Is this the most presidential of language you have ever seen in your life?

No?

But sometimes just I love that we pretend that our society is still sort of playing by that everyone wears hats and suits when they go to the city rules of the nineteen fifties. Now, it does not mean that I expect all bulletins all the time to be nothing but f bombs and created ways of swearing. Certainly, there have been plenty of times in my career over fifteen years that I've got probably a little bit too swearing, a little bit too casual.

I know, for some people swearing is down market.

It might seem a little dumb at times, and you know what, You're probably right, But I do find some of the collective pearl clutching from a media that is more than happy to shove.

Bile and garbage.

Down the throats of people over generations being the same people going.

Wou't someone think about the children? Now?

While all of that was happening, and I'm going to have a bit to say about social media, there were some people who had a little bit of fun with it. Again, if you're the type of person who is deeply offended by the swearing of the president, I apologize, But again, while again I don't want him to be doing it

We have?

We basically have two countries that have been fighting so long and so hard that they don't know what they're doing.

Do you understand that you.

Can hate or late Trump or you want. I don't care if you hate them, love them, or like them, But y'all, I can't lie that made this one? This man cursed on national television.

Do you understand that?

Oh?

I know, they'll be the how could he, Well, they're all going to pretend they don't swear in their own life. Again, if you are somebody who does not use this language, I apologize for making fun. But if you are a person who does use this language, who has used this language before, but then goes on television, oh, foul mouth, foul mouth behavior of a president. Welcome to twenty twenty five. Okay, there's so much fakery and puffery.

In and around the media.

My thing is just to try to be as normal as possible, and sometimes that is going to be a little swear word. Hopefully not all of the sentence, and hopefully many few of them often roll through my little head. But that's just my thoughts. No swearing today at the NATO conference. Instead, the thing that was around yesterday he's doubled down on again today, which is the leaking of intel information that apparently the hit on Iran was not as big as he had suggested. So he's going after

You have some great reporters, but you have scum. CNN has scum MSDS. He has come The New York Times has come. They're bad people, they're sick.

Imagine if a real politician, like a serious did that here.

But what the darkness dies in democracy? Whatever.

Now, let's still about the National Press Club, the guardians of our democracy, all of course pushing it as left as they can all day every day.

Now we know this is a home game for the left.

Why because it's in Canberra, right, It's full of the Canberra Columbos. It's full of the people who turn every little scandal into the Liberal Party about something that should be the end of the party, the end of the right of Australian politics, while looking the way at all sorts of things that the Labor Party's done. And of course Susan Laye was there today and Susan Lee, I should say, it was at the Press Club, of course,

And in Victoria.

Now reality is is that the same series of questions were never set as the bar for when Bill Shorten was giving his first speeches as the labor leader trying to pick up after twenty thirty and yes there was a devastating, deep, difficult loss for the coalition. No one's

And the opposition in the last term was characterized by being quite muscular in its opposition, even to costs of living relief in the Parliament, and times seemed like just reflexively said no and then found a justification for doing it later. I'm wondering if if you accept that now as a mistake.

The twenty twenty two review published by Jane Hume and Brian Longman explicitly stated a reason for the decline in the vote is because of women. You yourself, after this review, was in the second most senior position as Deputy opposition leader, How can you guarantee that this review will actually be listened to?

H are you making yourselves more unelectable for the sake of unity within the coalition.

The nineteen eighty three election, which was probably the coalition's worst result. By the May election forty years later, almost we are. You're almost in the exact same position, if not worse. Do you think there is truly a way to stop what is emerging as a long term pattern of regression?

Don't you like the people whose professional job it is to talk about politics, who are in the upper echelons in the camber press gallery, that they are able to go to the National Press Club and ask questions of the opposition leader, but don't quite know all of the names of the people of whom they are asking the questions about.

Hello, Brian, I hope that you're but faed InCom really now again.

Sometimes I am the person who can be quite guilty mispronouncing certain words. But I don't serve myself up as somebody is ready to take the challenge directly to the face of our political leaders. But what I actually want to show you here is what was in her speech, Because the reality of any opposition leader is that the argument is always, well, no one knows who you are, so yes, this was a nationally televised speech, but it's in the middle of the day on a Wednesday, so

Again, if they make bad decisions, I'll be the first one to jump up and down.

But rather than trying to somehow make sure that this never gets out of first gear, let's just see what

Aspiration is the thread that connects every single part of Australian society. Aspiration is the foundation of the Australian promise that if you work hard, play by the rules, do your best for your kids, and contribute to your community, you will be able to build a better life for yourself and your family. That promise feels rather distant for many Australians today. Cost of living is rising, wages are stagnant, and home ownership is.

Out of reach.

Australians work hard, but too often they feel like they're running harder just to stand still. For too many Australians, it's a promise that seems almost unachievable. The Liberal Party must restore that promise to empower Australians to make decisions that are right for them, to reward effort or punish success, to ensure that government backs its citizens, not burdens them.

That is the Australia I believe.

In first principles.

First principles, What a wonderful way to introduce yourself to say this is what the first principle is, and the reality is in politics you have to say it over and over again until you're sec of it, and that's when people start to listen. So you're going to hear this buyer, You're going to hear these values over and over again again. I'm going to be benefit of the doubt position when it comes to this leader of the opposition again, when she talks about a personal experience.

It is unusual for.

Many politicians to talk about things like this. But if you've got a story that is ever so slightly different than the cookie cutter of everyone else, why not tell it.

My journey here is not one of privilege.

It's a story of work, struggle, persistence and belief in the country that gave me and my family a chance. I was born in Nigeria to British parents. They lived busy lives. The first lesson they instilled in me growing up was that your job was about more.

Than just clocking on and clocking off.

It was about having a vocation, something that made the world about a place, or made a difference in society.

Exactly and again, for many working women, there is a story that is one where what blokes sometimes take for granted, well, certainly people who were young when they went to things like university may well not understand was complicated.

Is the experience of once you get to a moment in your.

Life where you realize I've got to reskill, I've got to go back to tay, I've got to go back to UNI.

But I'm not doing it as a twenty one year old.

I'm doing it as a person who's on their way or in and around their thirties. Again, I thought this was a good insight into beginning to get to know the person that millions of people are hoping is going to be able to take the fight up to Albo.

Balancing the family budget was becoming too hard, so I made a decision that many mums have made before and since. Get new skills and bring in extra income. So as I raised my own family, I went to university for the first time age thirty. I still remember the day I walked in to enroll in a Bachelor of Economics at Latrobe University in Wodonga. I kept thinking, can I really do this? I got out of the bat farm, mute baby in a capsule, and.

I felt so out of place.

I was a different generation from these students who didn't seem to have a care in the world. I felt like an outsider. I remember being suffocated by self doubt. There I stood, the mature age student, the crying baby, convinced that I did not belong here.

And then to the fundamental issue, which of course is how does the Liberal Party get itself to a place where more women are able to get elected to Parliament and get the opportunity like many people have before, to be able to rise up and sometimes down, and then up and then sometimes sidewards and then down and then way up in the ranks. Well, again, she took that head on because, of course, how many of the questions were going to be about that. Hence why you have to talk about it in your speech.

Our party must pre select more women in winnable seats so that we see more Liberal women in federal Parliament.

Now, I'm agnostic.

On specific methods to make it happen, but I am a z that it actually does happen. Current approaches have clearly not worked, so I'm open to any approach that will. If some state divisions choose to implement quoteras, that's fine. If others don't, that's also fine. But what is not fine is not having enough women.

Now, I made the point straight after the election, and I'm not going to wallow on this for the next

I'm not suggesting that.

But if you try to have candidates that look like the electorate in order to build a bridge, or guess what. In the seats where there are more female voters than there are male voters, guess what.

Now.

This has been something that political party has done for a long period of time when it comes to certain things, more often than not things like ethnicity, but perhaps gender is an issue that clearly needs to.

Be dealt with here.

And when I say more female voters than men, I don't mean like one hundred more. I mean like enough to decide an election, more like some of the seats that have changed hands in the past couple of elections. These are all over the country.

By the way.

In Petri, which is a seat that until this election was a bell Weather seat, it's got seven thousand more female voters than males. In Boothby and South Australia, where our mate Nicole Flip was running, there was six thousand more female voters in Kuyong. There's almost six thousand more female voters in Robertson. In New South Wales there's almost five thousand, and so on and so on and so on for twenty eight different seats.

So is it everything?

No?

Is it nothing?

No?

Is it something? Obviously?

Now, speaking of people voting in elections is where I'm going to dance right on the razor blade for you.

But I'll do it anyway. Now.

The reality is is that, yes, politics changes, and it changes with its technology, and it changes with its communities. And depending on whether you think that the world is getting smarter because everyone's going to university or the world

Yeah? Is it everything?

No?

Is it nothing? No?

But for those of us who have grown up in the era when newspapers, radio and television was basically the major triangle of how people get their information, and we continue that continues to be the number one source. We know that the Internet with millions of people looking at established news brands there. But then there's of course the whole world of social media. And am breaking anything to

Now.

I've been many to do this for the many, many weeks since the federal election, and I know there's a whole collection of people who are the content creators, who are appealing to their audiences that will be using this analysis as some way of flaming my good self for the station of which I work. But let's all understand the spirit in which is conversation is happening, which is just being realistic and trying to understand.

What the hell's going on right now.

Not because one team one and one team lost, but about how people inform themselves. And the reality is is that because of mobile phones, because of the Internet, we have more information available to us than ever before. Literally every single report that is released by the Order to General, by the Corruption Commission, by the Productivity Commission, by the Parliamentary Library. Is freely available within an hour of it being released to the media if you want to.

Who would?

But still you can read the federal budget if you want. And I get it that much of the role at times of the media is to try to do all of that for you, surmize key points, tell you what's going on. But increasingly the political conversation is not even to get into the detail. Is this a sign of a joint that's getting dumber or busier, or this is a special way of building a new bridge to a new generation. But I resent the implication that the next generation is somehow dumber than It's.

Not true, right, But you see, if we can get the.

Conversation as narrow as possible the political parties think, then it's the easiest for them to be able to put you in their direction, like this was a legit internet posting the Labor Party in Western Australia. Now, if you think that sometimes I get a little too caught up in the detail, this would be the exact opposite, And is just uga bulga as a political message. Brittain spoken and authorized is at the end of that clip like an official thing, written, spoken and authorized.

Labor Party per.

Another example of this, because you know, you know, there's so much bullying and social media and there's so much evil things that are said about body types, and you're not supposed to comment on those body types, unless, of course, you just want to go and have a go at your political opponent.

And then you can do this, okay, And.

Then if you win because people saw that stuff and I agree with you that that candidate's bad, then you post lots of dos as if you are going off to school camp rather than setting up your office to become a federal MP to write the laws of this country. And then there's the Tasmanian election playing out right now.

Now.

Remember the only reason this election is happening is because the Labor Party got together with the Greens to be able to disrupt the parliament to force an early election. Yet this is the rubbish being fed to voters in Tasmania who may well only beginning it while scrolling through

I heard some liberals talking about selling off Aurorra Energy.

Would that make the service better? No, Stowey, that is liberal slop.

In April, the Liberal premiere said he believes in selling off public assets such as Aurora Energy.

Sorry, copyright anyone anywhere.

Then, of course there is this scenario where in Queensland today the federal budget was released, Sorry the queens and budget was released yesterday and Queensland MP's a giant chunk of labor and peace, decided not even to turn up to Parliament today. Their job is, of course to be elected to go to parliament, but no, they weren't any

Why is our state budget blue was supposed to be marone. Why is the LMP trying to rebrand the whole of Queenslander's Blue in Origin season Blue Budget.

Ew.

I promise, I promise we can do better than this. Now again, you've got to appeal to all people everywhere. But if our politics has become this stupid, then is anyone surprised that the people who are willing to do anything and go as deep into the gutter or as shallow into the pool as possible are the ones who will win every single time.

But he did debate, including about whether our politics is too dumb or not.

In a moment's time here Palmurray Live where it's fight night on a Wednesday night.

Also the wonderful Meighan Kelly joins us.

And there was a massive election in New York City, the very same country that produces Donald Trump is now about to elect a full on radical socialist to being Mayor of New York Or in.

A second.

Wednesday Night, one and night, I've had my say. Now two people who are going to do nothing but agree for the next few minutes, as Lucy's elective course. Who we know and love You can reader in the Telegraph, here on t GBC, sometimes here on Sky News. Love to see you, mate, Steve Conroy Labor it was his bootstraps and always here to help Collingwood.

And all other things. But in the meantime he doesn't pass for the cause. The goad pines. Yeah, all right, let's talk.

Let's talk here about what the world learnt this week. I wanted to take a one second step back where we're not doing breaking news wall to wall and talk about what has the world.

Learned this week.

Now, we've certainly learned that the president, when he draws the line, he wants that line enforced. But also we've learned that when Iran ran off to Russia essentially looking for the nearest big buddy to get involved in a fight, they went no go away. China was pretty quiet through all of it. Many of the Arab countries as well, silent at a time when you would have thought, if it was ever time to step up, it was time to step up. So, Lucy, what did the world learn this week?

Well, we learned that that potential relationship, well we know that the relationship exists, but that potential relationship for it to be something more than what is kind of really you know, in front of us now, it just isn't there.

I'll be honest, I.

Was very concerned. I mean, we're talking a lot about the conflict that you know, the exchange of missiles, and it's been really awful to watch everything unfold in the Middle East. And this stretches back decades. Let's be honest about that. This goes wack well before October seven. But I genuinely had fear when there was news emerging that the Foreign Minister of Iran a bus araung Yi, when he was heading over to Moscow. I thought, Wow, this is going to be interesting. And then the strait of

Exact their powers?

But the fact of the matter is Putin's already got his hands full, correct. I know that with the war now in Ukraine that's approaching its fourth year and g for all of his might and power, he took a step back.

Well, and that's what I find interesting here where where again, Stephen, you know, either you lived it, your parents lived it, or frankly, like many people, meetings you learn about it in school.

Basically, let's say, let's go World War.

One through right, that there's an axis of this, or a team of that, or a collections this, idea that one attack on one triggers a whole collection of other things. Now again, we're a couple of days into a ceasefire. No one's pretending that's it. It's all done. Nothing to see here and nothing to see around the corner. But I think the thing the war has learned in the past week is that maybe that concept of one domino automatically leads to another can't always be assumed to be

Well, I learned that once again the master manipulators putin he needs to keep Trump on site so that Trump keeps supporting him over the Ukraine, and he was prepared to risk nothing to upset Trump. So he dumped Iran in a heartbeat. But it wasn't that he said no to Iran. He put his own self interest and his own desire to keep Trump not getting actively engaged in the Ukraine War, continuing to undermine Western Europe's attempts to

But does he.

Actually have capacity?

Do you think Stephen to be able to go to war given what he's already going now over that he's feeling pretty depleted, But.

The point being he didn't want to risk his main theater of war by opening up another theater.

Did he have the capacity?

No?

I mean no, There's no question that if the full weight of Europe and the full weight of the US decided it wanted to push Putin back to the original borders or back to the twenty fourteen borders, they can do it. So this was a strategic care by him, not just oh my god, I've got no money, I've got no tanks, I've got no people left. He's demonstrated he's prepared to throw just any man of human lives at the Ukraine, so he could conceivably be prepared to

Now again at the NATO meetings, which is taking place right now in the Netherlands, President Trump has had this to say, where basically he's doubling down, regardless of whether it is obliteration or has just set them back.

A few months.

He's proud of what he did on Israel's behalf and the Western world a few nights ago, dropping those bombs, fourteen of them.

Don't forget, Israel came back instiday.

I was so proud of them because they came back, you know, there went out because they felt it was a violation, and technically they were right, but it just wouldn't have worked out very well. And they brought the planes back then.

And can I just get like a bumper stick it from both of you because there the bigger and more important issues to discuss. But Stephen as a person and Lucy, of course both of you been in the public eye. But Stephen in your relationship to politics, when you've been hammahammer hammer, how many times have you wanted to go out and drop an f moment a press conference? How many times did you want to do it? And are you like me? Where okay, look, but I want it

Moment, it's just trivial, and the way the press are trying to play it up is just trivile. Everyone knows.

I mean you watch the West.

Who's suddenly discovered and now you watch it and there's not ever one single square word.

Seriously, have they never been to a real office?

Yeah?

Yeah, good, So it's just a complete pretense by whichever parts of the media are carrying.

Just move on and again it's just thing lucy, where again we're not inviting and not wanting to recreate as much as.

I like, I'd love to.

Come on Steve, but he did know it was pepet hot sauce on a moment that really needed it, and you could see the frustration coming through because he's had a lot to deal with, and it showed another human element to him, another human side that we've always.

Been very accustomed to when it comes to Trump, because he's always warn his heart on his sleeve. I thought it was brilliant.

Susan Lee at the National Press Club today, as I said, half of the speech is all about bio, as boring as that can be for some people to remember the reality is of being the opposition leaders, you've got to introduce yourself over and over again, and what is the rule? You've got to get sick, and that's when they start listening. That said lots of other things about how they went,

When I say the Liberal Party must respect, reflect and represent modern Australia, people have understandably asked, what do we mean by that? Modern Australia is diverse, dynamic and ambitious. It's made up of people from every corner of the world.

Loose, impressed, not impressed, not enough spice, not enough source, not enough steak.

What do you think?

Nothing, not enough source, steaks, pepper sold you name it. And I think that's just a real testament to who she is and how she's kind of portrayed herself already.

She's had a.

Very extended political career. We know her and it's not in her nature to come out strongly on particular issues. She showed conviction in some moments during the speeches and when she during the speech and when she was answering certain questions. But you know what's a modern Australia, and modern Australia.

Is in a hole right now.

Okay. So, and this is a real issue that I have and I talk about it a lot in the column tomorrow. You know, where have we seen from either political party and appetite for family first policies? We talk a lot in politics and I know, Stephen, you will be able to assimilate with this in some way or another. We talk a lot about these positive principles that we want to introduce. So she wants more women involved in politics.

Well, and it gives us a preview about where I want to go in a second. But at the last election, how many times we talked about and we put the numbers on the table that three million people with this ghost to homeless nurse, that three and a bit million people weren't.

Able to have they're hungry?

Were hungry in any of those ads or we were just sort of the ugabuga social media. I like this person, I don't like that person. Dancy Dancing joined me for the revolution.

Stuff embarrassing style.

Well this is it.

But Steven, did you see a political foe that cannot be underestimated or could you measure pretty quickly that Okay, you might get back a couple on electoral gravity, but nothing to see here.

So look to your point of earlier, Paul. She has to introduce herself. I know, Lucy said, you know she's well known. I have to say I don't know that much about her, And I was imparlimented at the same time as I've not been critical when I say that we have a very presidential style of politics.

Today, I'm not saying she's well known on se right and the politics game for long enough. Now twenty four years we're talking here, and she was also the deputy leader of the opposition party. So we got smashed. Guess what, Susan, you're a part of that smash.

She was the vice captain. Good point.

So the first point is she's got to introduce herself more than she's already has. The second point is that she has to actually put some meat on the bone. And I don't mean about policy agenda. I thought she squibbed it a bit on how she wants to get more women, and she goes, oh, we're not really a federal party or federal We've got the states have got to do it, and I'm open to ideas. So let me give you an example. I got elected deputy leader at one point, and I'm standing there next to Simon

That was the first question.

Yeah, good point, and so Simon then had to answer, you know, did he agree with it? Not agree with it? And he was then forced to take a position and then began to implement it. So I thought she squibbed an important part of a message today by not saying, this is what I want to see. The state divisions do not just go. I'd like to see more women, and if quotas are one way to do it, I'm open to the idea. She needs to actually show some

I'm with you, all right, so, Lucy to.

The point I took some time to explain in the editorial. Maybe it is just my algorithm and what I'm doing late at night, but often.

Ju I can't lose that image, Paul, just a fraction of my head.

Now keep it in your mind as you go to bed tonight.

Mister Conrad.

Yeah, political reels and old cars and machines and cigars.

Wow, a real man.

I live more of your hair on the chats.

This is so, And he calls me to have a chat. Yeah, I dot a pole.

That's what what.

Night that's today does?

Were eleven o'clock at not? What are you talking about this Piles.

Dave sometimes saidn't I Paul.

The probably is he answers and we keep talking.

Don't write this off that way again, the level of dumb, right, So I get, I got everyone's going to be reading every report and every little thing, and six months ago this and two years ago there. But cricky, it's done like when we're getting to the w A labor party, basically just you know, play dress ups.

People voting for this, Paul, and this is what we need to say, and it's.

The you know, it's the taboo statement.

The general public are pretty damn stupid.

Let's be honest. No one wants to say it. And I don't mean any real disrespect, but if you are voting for this, if you are looking at this material and thinking, oh wow, I'm going to base my political decisions on these stupid TikTok videos, we've got a broader problem here. And we spoke about this affair.

What do we do.

We've got obligatory voting here in this country, preferential system.

Can we overhaul it?

Just because it exists and it's what we've done for years doesn't mean it's what we should always do do I want eighteen year olds that have absolutely no idea about politics and the broader issues that surround that with respect to policy, to be going to the polls and deciding who to vote for. People are going into the polls and looking at the core flutes and thinking, oh gee, ohm, my vote for that guy. She looks cute.

That's a problem.

But Steven is an old party machine man. You would love it to be this easy if it was decades ago. Couse fedikeb.

Some of this stuff is garbage, utter garbage.

Look, I'm not a fan of the way the political discourse has evolved. I've never joined Twitter. I don't think you can communicate serious see in what used to be there one hundred and forty characters or whatever it was. You just can't have a serious debate on forms.

Of social kids.

I've never digital played that now and this is that this is the problem. I mean, I agree with you entirely that there is an entirely different culture that's developed. I don't think you can simply say that the average voters dumb. I think you've got.

To respect they are.

They just voted last three years.

Good.

Just because just because your party lost doesn't mean you get to say this is when you won on preferences. You just you just don't get to pick and choose which election result you want. So we've got to change this from because we lost. All right, it doesn't work that way.

I'm not going to turn this all the way right, We're going to take a break here, right, But Lucy on my Instagram fee, you can do that little search thing.

We can see what you've been looking at. Right, what you've been looking at?

Trump? Trump Trump model model, Elton John Rugby, leg Apple watches model, model, model, But quick, take a break, model model, model, model models, country music.

Go to bed, Missus Murray, get out.

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Now I know a lot can change.

But let's just talk about the past couple of hours, let alone weeks.

Right, what a set of stones on Donald Trump?

Now I've got to say, I know you whatever, if you have one of these people who's looking for the wiggle words, come back another night, right, because I'm just going to go all in on our much.

I love this bloke at the moment.

For how many years American presidents or back channels to send a message to Israel and a back channel to send a message to Iran? He just goes, nah, I told you knock it off by now, I don't care who started it. I don't care who finished it. This is it, and think of just the clarity. And I love he's not buggarizing around with the press conference, bang it out.

The world knows how he feels.

We basically have two countries that have been fighting so long and so hard that they don't know what the fuck they're doing.

I love the clarity, Megan.

Yes, And he's got cards to play now, you know, because look, Iran is out of cards.

It really doesn't have much it can do.

It's been absolutely decimated militarily, and the heads of its nuclear program and so on. But we just did Israel the biggest solid one could do for the country of Israel. And Trump's got some cards to play, so he said, you know, f this, you're turning those planes around because the ceasefire was broken, you know, by Iran with two missiles that didn't hit. They had dropped a missile attack right before the ceasefire that was bad, that actually did

McNett Yahu.

It's not like he's going to take all of his marching orders from Trump. But if there's anybody he's got to listen to right now, it is Trump.

I mean, my.

God, for twenty plus years he's been begging any American president to help him and to do for him what Trump just did for him. So, you know, Trump does not want this thing to fall apart because some lunatic Iranian at some ballistic missile site pressed go twice.

In the wake. You know, the wee hours of the ceasefire.

So you know, it's like, you don't you have to treat everything like it's an eleven I think is what Trump was trying to say. That's how we got into never ending conflict here. Why don't we try to pretend it still is a ceasefire and behave accordingly.

And I've got to say too, I've just been thinking about it. I mean, ten years since he came down.

The Golden escalator, all the highs, all the lows, literally being shot at, almost going to Jile. But it was the frustration of dealing with these two nations that brought out the first public f bomb that I've heard him ever say.

Yeah, I haven't heard him say it except for like in a joking context, you know, at his rallies here or there, and very infrequently he doesn't drop it a lot. I've never heard him say it like as a matter of frustration on US policy. I mean, that was something and he did it intentionally. You know, Trump knows what he's doing, especially when it comes to marketing and messaging, and I'm sure he is incredibly frustrated with these powers.

And he's been dealing with.

Steve Whitcoff, his friend who he made Middle East Envoy, and also that's the guy dealing with Russia Ukraine, and it's just an impossible situation. Look how many brilliant minds have tried to solve it, how many US presidents have tried to be the one to swoop in and solve it.

It feels extremely unsolvable.

I mean, you cannot get Hamas and Iran to soften up on their feelings about Israel and its right to exist, nor can you talk the Israelis out of their belief that they should go on existing and they have the right to live. So it's like it's almost unsolvable in a way other than trying to just convince each side to put down their arms. And by each side, I really do mean the Iranians and its proxies, because they're just so determined to kill Israel.

Isn't Jews.

So so many men have tried, you know, men in positions of power, and succeeded for a short time in the field. It took Trump getting to be president and actually starting to really immerse himself in the Middle East. I think to learn it firsthand. I think that's what we were hearing today with the use of that F bomb, just his personal frustration at the impossibility of this conflict.

Yeah.

Also again I go back to just the clarity right where he goes, Look, I understand that, you know, generally speaking these conversations, there's no goldilocks place where it's just right because you this and that, before and before that and after this, and you know, there's always a way to justify not being the one to draw a line. But he's saying, hey, we're the ones here, let's draw the freaking line. But then what about the action packed flight on his way to Europe, where again in real time,

This is a working plane.

I think President Trump is exactly what we needed to be. You know, he really is feeling very strong, fired up and free.

You know, he didn't listen, look, look how he It's just a.

Pattern with him, no matter how much stress is put on him or you know, circumstances that would make most of us crumble and not get out of our beds. It's almost like he feeds off of it. You know, the more you try to beat him down, the greater he grows. And I think the most recent circumstances last week was while he was trying to weigh what to do. For the first time in decades, an American president had been asked by the Israelis to drop a bomb on Iran, and the circumstances.

Made it a very viable option, right.

It had been a much more difficult decision, I think in some ways in the past when Iranian's proxy Iranian proxies were still strong, they hadn't been decimated by Israel in a lengthy couple of year war. And so you know, Trump was asked to make a tough decision and he

She's awesome, isn't she, Megan Kelly. Of course he'll find her in all different places, particularly YouTube. Series six.

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