Problemers Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Hello, Happy Tuesday. There is so much to do tonight Australia First, that's our focus. There's lots to get to, including the Prime Minister's not going to like tonight's show. We know that the Union these people hate watch the show. But wait till I show you some data that nobody else has. I'll get to that in a moment or two. Time for all to talk about kids and social media. We should probably talk about adults as well. Some new information
on all of that. Remember we have the data. Then the opinion and who knew the cookies could be the key to working out who is going to be the next president of the United States. So number one story in the country cost of living, number one story in the country when it comes to cost of living, the cost of housing today the Reserve Bank makes a clear decision, which is no decision, thankfully. The indications are that they weren't planning on going up. Instead they hold they hold
at generational highs. So the relief for home buyers line that you'll hear everywhere in the media is of course garbage. It is as high as it has been as I say, in a generation we told you about NEWSPORLT that show that when it comes to housing, mortgage rents and interest rates number one part of the concern. When it comes to cost of living, then we get the groceries bit on that tonight, energy bills and insurance. Think nobody wants
to talk about the insurance side of things. It's all just apparently the specials aisle of your local supermarket garbage. Of course, I have also shown you that the reality of the interest rate rises since this mob came to power has been like a python. It is a python that has squeezed and squeezed and squeezed and squeezed. And the idea that people think when the pain remains at the same level, oh, it's a relief for homeowners. Please.
Now I've shown you before that the average monthly home loan repayment in this country used to be about two and a bit thousand dollars. Then Albot became pro Minister Charmers in charge of the economy. Now it's more than four thousand dollars a month. Put all that together, do you know that Australians are now paying five b four billion dollars more on their monthly mortgage rates than they
did a couple of years ago. The cost to Australia of this government, its failures and the Reserve Bank doing the hard work the government refuses to do is five billion dollars. Can Star analysis of the Reserve Bank data shows the borrowers were charged fourteen and a half billion dollars on their mortgages. When it comes to the repayments in June of this year, that was nine billion dollars
just before the last election. Nothing to see here, just a sixty one percent rise in the total amount of money that people are having to pay off their mortgages. So good luck spinning that sixty one percent higher in the total pool of people paying back on their mortgage. Oh it's a win. Oh at least it didn't get worse. Guess what it is worse? It has been worse twelve
times under this mob. They lost their brain when it was one under the previous Yet the media all just work in tandem that they just get bored of talking about the same story, unless, of course, it's the story they are particularly invested in, the one that is truly affecting Australians all day, every day. As cost of living. It's why I talk about it every night. And the very significant part of it are people trying to pay off the house. Now I want them to cut rates.
Of course I'm paying off a mortgage just like a third of the country. But the reason it's not happening when it is happening in places like the United States is because our inflation higher, our growth rate lower. The Australian dollar has gone backwards under this mob. All of this very boring, not as exciting as many of the things that we talk about on TV and you might hear on the radio. But this is the drum beat of pressure on our fellow Australians. Now what about grim
Jim again? These people think you are so stupid and you have no memory, or because you watched Sky News. Oh you're such a small and insignificant number of people garbage. You know where the message goes. You are the people who lead the debate in your family. You can ten x the information that you hear on this program. Chalmers had the stones today to pretend that he's in complete lockstep with the Reserve Bank. He wouldn't dare criticize them.
I don't preempt and I don't second guess decisions taken by the independent Reserve Bank. I've made that very clear repeatedly, all.
Tish, you know that, and I know that it's not even a month ago that this bloke was trying to pull off on this Reserve Bank governor what he put off on the last Reserve Bank governor, which was Mustache Twirling. Reserve Bank is the real one ruining the world, not the government who has failed to clip its own sales. Instead, they are spending more money than ever before while taking in more tax than ever before. But the tax is slowly going to run out because places like China are
starting to slow down. And the structural deficit, which means tens of billions of dollars which are constantly being added by this government to the permanent settings of the budget mean we are in deficit for the next twenty five years, meaning every single one of those deficits will be added to every single previous deficit, and the more than trillion dollars that is currently in debt goes through the roof. Oh but today was the good day because there was
no increase in interest rates. Well, here he is again a month ago, absolutely bashing the Reserve Bank.
The combination of global economic uncertainty and higher interest rates is smashing household budgets and slowing our economy considerably.
And also this bloke who thinks he's playing four dchess with not just the politics of economics, because that's what he has a doctorate in, not economics, the politics of how Keating sold the message about the recession we had to have et cetera, et cetera. Oh forget that a million people were unemployed at the time, forget that the interest rate was seventeen percent, or how did the Great
Paul Keating make it through question time? That's his expertise. Well, this bloke when he was playing his four D chess trying to make the Reserve Bank the big bad guy of the Australian economy rather than the only people with the fire hose trying to put out the burning blaze that this mob have put in place since the first day they came into office, with an expectation of the fire getting worse every year for the next twenty five years. Oh whatever, today with the great please you see what
he did was. Firstly, we remember he got rid of the previous Reserve Bank governor because remember he was the evil mustache twilding guy who kept putting up interest rates despite the fact that the Albanize economy was so amazing. So then he had the choice of deciding who the next Reserve Bank governor was. He chose Michelle Bullock. He
chose the current Reserve Bank governor. He chose the person who continued to increase interest rates and is telling us as much as today, don't expect any interest rate cuts this year. I no, no, but we're managing it so amazingly. America down half of one percent. Australia, let's keep it locked in till twenty twenty five. What was it? What
was the exact number there? Let me double check. A sixty one percent increase in the overall amount of money that people have had to find to repay their monthly mortgages. That is the problem that is happening right now that this government does not want to talk about. Well, what he thought was, Okay, if we make the Reserve Bank meet fewer times a year than that means they won't
put up interest rates, right, Okay, Well didn't work. The second one, of course, was, oh, if we make the Reserve Bank governor do a press conference after the meeting each and every time that they meet. Well, then the media will blame the Reserve Bank for their rubbish decisions
when it comes to interest rates. The only problem is all of this is backfired because giving the Reserve Bank governor the opportunity to explain the decision but also to comment on the failures of the broader economy, the failure to get inflation back to where it belongs. Not some sugar hit one that's bought. Remember the inflation numbers that have come out tomorrow. The expectation is, oh, it's going to be amazing. Could even have a two in front
of it. I think we just heard. Now, let's be serious. This is because the federal government is spending millions of dollars giving money to electricity companies not to put up your power bill. All right, that's what's happening. Is completely arterficial, okay, in terms of the actual your capacity to pay all of those extra bills off fourteen dollars a week, two little too late tax cuts. Again, it's all the politics,
it's not the reality. And you can't tell people that it's a sunny day outside when they are being dumped on every day and they have been for a couple of years now, with an expectation of it getting worse on some levels before it gets better. So again the four D chests of oh, if the Reserve Bank governor has to give a speech, well then everyone will blame
the governor. No, the governor gets to make an almost monthly statement about how bad the federal government is and how their rosy picture is exactly that garbage rolatipe.
They need to have a structured opportunity to explain and defend those decisions, and they exist at the moment. The Reserve Bank Governor does provide public commentary and has tried to explain and in some cases defend decisions taken by the Reserve Bank Board. But what the recommendations today are all about is making that more structured.
Now, again this is the four D chess. Right, Well, here's the actual governor telling you what the expectation is. Forget the government telling you it's about to fall. Forget the media that's spinning on the behalf of the government because they know interest rates could be a reason why they're headed into a minority scenario. So what does this all mean.
Well, the recent data, I think your degree have been a little mixed, but overall they reinforce the need to maintain a restrictive monetary policy stance and remain vigilant to the upside risk to inflation. The Board needs to be confident that inflation is moving sustainably towards the target for any decisions are made about a reduction and interest rates.
Oh you mean the serious people know the difference between inflation rates that are bought off by stunts that only last twelve months, that result in a twenty five dollars credit on your power bill versus a structural change of two hundred and seventy five dollars, which, remember, was their promise. But you're not allowed to mention that because the modeling has changed. Honestly, look, I get it. If this was a second term government, we'd be talking about them getting
swept from office. It's a first term government. Australians, don't burn them out. I'll show you some polling data about all that later. But these people are so cocky, so arrogant, that they think that they can tell you that up
is down, black is white, left is right. They just think the sheer magnetism of their argument and that anyone who pushes back must be ignored to the extent where, of course, will introduce a piece of legislation to silence the critics of the government or you being able to share videos like the one that you may will be watching now because it's misinformation, as declared of course by the left wing think tanks advising the left wing bureaucrats who,
among other things, think Kylin Jackie Oh should not be on the radio. Come on now. Remember, of course, the Prime Minister talked garbage yesterday when he was talking about supermarkets, trying to pretend that the a trible c action against Colesonwooli is about price reductions that may well not as they seemed. Is the single reason why inflation has stayed where it is.
No when you're charging more for products than you should, it of course has an inflationary impact by definition, and we know that inflation is what the Reserve Bank is concentrating on in terms of monetary policy, as they should.
What annoys me the most to you is that there are people who claim to know the world far better than you and I, people who claim to be great granular experts in everything from the economy to politics and all in between, and they let that crap run. They don't turn around and say, hang on, certain that's garbage, because they know, like I know, like you know, that there are a whole collection of things in the basket of goods which are what are calculated when it comes
to inflation. I have to keep going back to this because I want you to be armed with the information to have the argument with the family with the friends. Okay. Prime Minister says, oh, it's all coals and wool is fault. Okay, how a Coles and Wool is involved in the insurance business. Are they involved in the education sector, the health sector, the housing sector, the transport sector, rely the communications sector.
Because you see all of those things, including the taxes on tobacco, but we're not allowed to say that, are we All of those things increase inflation. Them turning around and saying things like well, petrol's slightly down because the prices are ever so better, they're the ones that increase the taxes. They could have dropped it. Instead, they put the tax up to fifty cents a later, which is exactly the same amount of tax, whether it's at two dollars a letter or it's at a dollar eighty five.
The power price thing is artificial. And again I pretend not to play some economic expert on television. I've just been around long enough, and I've had enough of the lies and the garbage and the bs and the look over here, look over here. This is the real story. No, the real story is how three point seven million people
last year suffered food insecurity. The real story is that the total amount of monthly repayments on a mortgage has gone up sixty one percent since this mob became the government, and their central promise was to lower the cost of living. And if they get lucky or they buy their way to a result, I truly trust the Australian people not to believe that the people who set the fire are the ones who are going to claim to put it out, because they're blowing very softly on it. An excellent point
made by Chris Mitchell in the Australian Media Section. He's the former editor of the Australian newspaper. Now how he talks about the heavy cost of an economically illiterate media. Now, again, I do not pretend to be some economics expert. I've just been around for long enough to see the cycles, to learn the bs and to know their tactics. And also the joy of the system we live in is that I don't have to go to Camber to get the reports from the Reserve Bank or the ATO or
the Bureau Statistics. They're on a website every day. This column has often criticized the nation's journalists have been too concerned with the way governments fund social projects but less worried about the growing economic pie to ensure that there
are enough jobs and taxes to pay for such programs. Yes, hallelujah, much of this media cannot see pass gotcha questions about potential spinning cuts by the coalition or desperately trying to seek out the possible losers of any proposed economic reform. Perfect example of this the total budget of the ndis, and the fear is about how much money that that costs and how wildly out of control all of that is.
So much so that even Bill Shorten, before he's heading out the door to take on the job that was given to him by, among others, the person who he hired to do an independent review into the ndis oh the camera bubble. Of course, if that was a lip, we'd still be talking about it as a controversy. But you know, not even a day long story. Federal and state debt matters. It is huge, it is blooming, and like any debt, if you keep adding to it, the
cost of paying it off goes up. State governments in particular expected to borrow more than one hundred one hundred billion dollars this year to cover the surge in public spending. Just under sixty percent of new state and territory debt is being issued by ah the labor states, one trying to buy a lection, one trying to cover their backside. Queensland and Victoria abbitt schnuffing Sea. Here you're getting one thousand dollars off on your power bill and fifty cent fares.
You'll be stupid enough to vote for this? Well, thankfully all the polls tell us nuh, Queensland won't. With the state set to borrow more than the Commonwealth for the second consecutive year, the combined interest bill on growing federal and state debts is expected to climb to forty four billion dollars. Repeat the combined interest bill, So not the principle you're not paying off the debt, you're paying off the cost of the money is forty four billion dollars
a year. That is the entire ends. And remember, if we're about to head into structural deficit, that means deeper deficits added to each other for the next twenty five years. Prior to the pandemic, the total amount that we were paying off twenty five billion dollars in interest. So yes, no doubt, job keeper, all of that job seeker. But remember before the slippery little snake charmer, as Bromin calls the Treasurer, gets his hands around it and pretends it's
all liberal debt. Remember, his position was that job keepers should have cost more. His position was that the taxpayer should have bought Virgin airlines because his expertise is spinning new to a media that wants to be spun because they don't want to tell you the same story every day because they think it's boring and they think you
don't care. But another perfect example of perhaps what Chris was talking about, but also just the ease with which people just say, he you know what, more debt, literally more debt. This is the apparent economics reporter, one of the economics reporters for the ABSC on ABC Radio in Sydney today Remember the entirety of the NDAs forty four b four billion dollars is the interest on federal and
state debt. He says, I would, I would. I mean, this is just me saying it, but I would personally say throw caution to the wind on debt and just go bananas.
Why not?
Yeah, debt it's only borrowed money controlled by other people. When you end up owing money to other countries, they end up owning you, which means a whole bunch of consequence. What just more, who cares? No one's ever going to call in the debt in Australia. No, what ends up happening is the your credit rating starts to fall down, which means the cost of the debt goes up. And I'm justin idiot Bogan sitting here in skying his primetime and how do I know that? And the economics bloke
on the ABC doesn't or he does and doesn't care. Meantime, let's talk about more very bad holes for the Prime Minister, and they are starting to panic some of his mates in the media. Now today the essential pole, which of course comes out in the turnbul Times the Guardian. It shows that Australians believe the country is headed in the
wrong direction by such a margin. In fact, since this government came to power, there's and a twenty five percent increase to fifty two percent of people who think the joints headed in the wrong direction, a seventeen percent reduction in the number of people whoink we're headed in the right direction, and seventeen percent reduction in the number of people who are unsure. They're a rounding errors, So forgive me if it doesn't always add up to one hundred.
I'm going off for their numbers. Interestingly, every demographic bar one thinks that we are headed in the wrong direction. Blokes fifty percent of them wrong direction, Women fifty four percent wrong direction, younger people, whatever man, hand me a vape thirty three, thirty five to fifty four. These people decide elections, all right. When they swing hard against the
last government, they lost. If they swing hard against this government, they will find themselves in a very significant minority position. The older you get, the smarter you are, and you know what this joint is. What's happening to this joint under the rule of this mob that have of course, interest rates, inflation, debt, whatever man meantime, worth notting here too about the overall numbers and the primary vote. Again in the Turnbull Times, it shows that the Labor Party
is down three points in the last election twenty nine percent. Well, they lose a few on that. The question though, and this is why, don't buy into this one term stuff.
Right.
I get how much you want it, I get how much I want it, I get how much the country needs it. But unless the vote moves from one major party to another major party, then basically everyone ends up preferencing the Labor Party. So that's how they end up either saving their own backside or getting themselves into minority. Now again, have a look at this, Have a look at all of the scenarios here that are playing out
before your very eyes there. This is why the eight percent of the ten percent of the election electric that is One Nation or United Australian Party. Your preferences matter, Buckle them all, put them all last. Guess what you'll get Labor now. Interestingly, of course, the Prime Minister thinks there is a way of saving his own backside, and that is to say, Peter dunn't peda dudn't peda dudn't as much as I can because everyone hates him, right.
Peter Dutton's nuclear plan, which yesterday he gave a speech on and which had no costings, no detail. Peter Dutton has never believed in taking action on climate change. The only person who's been critical of the AZIO Director General is Peter Dutton. Peter Dutton recently got himself an account on TikTok. So they're a bit all over the shop when it comes to that.
Well, ye're watching sunshine because the Channel N newspapers filled with people who hate Peter Dutton. Their entire sort of cartoon back catalog is attempts at trying to ridicule Peter Dutton. Very little of it when it comes to the Prime minister, because you know, then he might not invite us to the lodge. We mightn't get an invite to Kiribilly House. He may not come around and have dinner with us. All this happens, by the way, You know what, I'm
just telling you. The truth makes me as unpopular as I am in the wider media, but I don't care to work for them, work for you. Here is the preferred Prime minister numbers. Let's have a look. In December last year, where forty three to twenty seven. Oh, that's Peter Dutton. In no way he's ever going to be elected. Guess what's happened since. Well, let's have a look at the most recent numbers. It chows Albo is down eight percent nationally as preferred prime minister. He's down eight percent
with both men and women. He's down six percent with eighteen to thirty fours. He's down nine percent with thirty five to fifty four year olds, the ones who will decide the election. Remember, there is more people under the age of fifty than over the age of fifty. So when you see people like thirty five to fifty moving against him, that's a bad sign. Fifty five plus nine percent.
As for Peter Dutton, he's up seven percent nationally, five percent with women, twelve percent with men, six percent with eighteen all the way to fifty four and up eleven percent fifty five plus. So when Peter Dutton is over the strike zone like he was tonight with our mate Chris Kenny, he is in exactly the right place.
Chris.
I just think Poles and Wallies have got a all over the prime ministry. I think they see him as most Australians do, and that is weak and unable to make a tough decision. The Prime Minister has been sitting on a report that they received from Craig Emerson about what code of conduct should be put in.
Place for months and months and months and months. Nothing's happened.
It's like the gambling reforms, It's like everything this government does.
One or other thing on poles. Because this is the bit that's got some of his mates worried. This is the primary vote that happened in the twenty twenty four election. I don't expect you to read all of these numbers at once, follow the colors if you wish, just pick one indicase, as I said, the Labor Party's vote is down, because this is what it looks like right now. If you go state by state where Labor is down by four percent in you South Whills, three percent, in Victoria
two percent, in Queensland eight percent, eight percent. They're down in Western Australia seven percent. They're down in South Australia. However, the Libs are in the same spot they were at the election in Western Australia and South Australia, where of course they lost seats there in Quens and they're up in Victoria. They're up in New South Wells, which means yes, there would be some movement. But that's why, as frustrated as I am the Independence which seem to be rising,
we know which way they end up going. The Green's the same. I repeat, one nation, UAP libertarian. Your preference matters. If you do anything but choose, in my view, the Liberal Party as your second preference, then guess what you're going to get Labor again. The only way to shock them like you did in twenty nineteen is not put them all last, but put the Greens last, Labor before, and then obviously the lives in a higher position. But
I mentioned panic. Paulvon Johner, great lefty lover of Sky News. Ooh he hates us, he writes in the Union Superannuation News website. Yes I know it does exist, and he writes that Labour needs alban Ezy to lift his game or call an election, because he thinks that an election would flush out all of the lies of Peter Dutton. Alban Easy could stop all the Grands standing by calling
an election. After the state election in Queensland in October, there is every chance that a labor route at the Queenslane Pole could clear the air for federal labor in the state. Bone. I like your offer. Let's do it now. As we know, the generation of lefties have told us that you must finish your twelve. If you do not finish your twelve, you're a failure. If you go off and become a trade you're absolutely a failure. Because everyone
must go to university. Well, there is an amazing story which will be on the front page of The Australian tomorrow, but it's up on the website now so I can talk about it now. Of course, more people than ever before have got university degrees, but the bill of unpaid hex or help debt is the biggest it's ever been in the country. Have a look at this graph, all right,
this is extraordinary. A total of eighty one b four billion dollars, so virtually twice the annual budget of the Indias or twice the annual interest payments on state and federal debt. Have a look at this. In two thousand and five it was twelve billion dollars that students owed for the university degrees that they've done. But more people doing more degrees has increased. The debt In two thousand and fifteen, ten years later it was forty seven billion
dollars and this year it's eighty one billion dollars. And the number of people who owe more than one hundred grand in their hex or help debt it used to be two thousand people about fifteen years ago. It's now fifty six thousand people who owe you and either taxpayer are one hundred thousand dollars to help pay for them to go to UNI. Now this makes sense if you're
a doctor or a lawyer and engineer. It makes zero if like me, the best you could ever do was an arts to agree with some fun little stuff on the side. I paid it back. The idea that eighty two billion dollars is currently owed to the Australian taxpayer because you see, the university system is so good for the UNI that theoretically you have to be this smart to qualify. But then we'll let the international students pay and then we'll just fill the room with everyone who's left.
You don't have to be qualified, you just have to turn up, because you see, the taxpayer will pay the full fee for you to study whatever you want, regardless of whether it's going to lead to a job or not, or whether you'll ever earn fifty thousand dollars to actually pay it back because you know, debt's just let's more play eighty two billion dollars in university dead fed. Wow. A couple of things about local council before we move on to the discussion this evening, as always can send
me in him up. Well, let's go one news dot com dot AU Australian Day now. Way too many councils, of course, are affected by the woksooks who believe, oh, you can't have a national Day. By the way, April the thirteenth won't be a better day for any of these people. All the Invasion Day crowd feel no better about June fourteenth, or even an Australian version of June teenth on the twelfth if they want. They don't want
any recognition, let alone celebration of our national Day. Well, as you may will have heard, a counsel in Adelaide which made the decision to give Australia Day the Biscuit, has now voted to put it back where it should be January the twenty sixth. Again, for those that are
half listening, I'm fine with a Marlbo Day. I'm fine with the noul piece and model of two public holidays, one for the twenty fifth for before, one for twenty sixth for the current All fine by me because you know we had our public holidays like Grand Final ones in Victoria coming up on Friday. Thank you, Daniel Andrews. Please have a gold medal for your administration of the state. The mayor of this council in Adelaide was speaking to Adelaide's own Chris Kenney tonight.
Seventy two percent of our community said we should hold an Australia Day community event in twenty twenty five, and sixty one percent of our community said that we should have the citizenship Sarah me on Australia Day.
I think that guy was also involved in taking it off as straight to day. But what anyway, good good,
good good decision made now. I don't understand how every local council doesn't attach to its local council elections a plebocide on this stuff, because I think we all know how people are going to vote, but of course you don't want to ask anyone because if you ask people then you have to do what they say, which in this case is again full awareness of our history, but total hope in our future, which is why I'm fine with Australia Day on January twenty sixth, and a Marlbow
Day or anything else you want to on the twenty fifth. Now, when it comes to Harris versus Trump, latest official polling has actually been pretty good for Trump. I won't bore you with too much of the details here, but of course, so in America for some reason that it takes so long to vote, like in Australia with thirty people vote early because they can't be buggered, you know, waiting for five minutes a lot longer than five minutes to vote
in places like the United States. So put your poles away, put your bedding away, put your smart alex on television away. Because there is a bakery in Ohio that has apparently accurately picked since nineteen eighty four the winner of the presidential election. Pretty simple. You buy the Trump cookie the Harris cookie, and they are buying the Trump cookie. Trump has notched up about fifty four percent or two thy nine hundred of the cookies compared to one hundred or
thirty nine percent for Harris. Three hundred and ninety seven people have voted independent, so even if all of them went to Harris Trump would be the winner. So that's it. We don't need an election. That's how the cookie crumbles. Oh dad jokes, quick break back more here on Paulmurray Live. Lots to get to this Tuesday night. I'm glad you here. Remember Australia first. We'll look at the rest of the world, but this joint matters first, especially your joint. I've been
looking forward to this all day. Other than the great Joe Hildebrand, who is of many different parishes, and how are you This.
Is the only one I care about. The others mean nothing to me.
You say that all the hosts, none other than, of course, with the Telegraph, and he's here in the man cave. Lisa god is with the dony media. She's in Brisbane right now. Kiss the ground for me. Queensland's amazing, thirty two days, the country a new beginning, fingers crossed. So what about one of the old lefties in the press gallery, Paul bon Johno. So let's have an election straight after the Queen's election, because this label will be able to
expose everything. I mean, the economy apparently doesn't matter. What great advice is this the type of advice that MAT's getting.
In the law, Christ Almighty, I hope not.
Yeah, look obviously, I mean maybe put Maybe Paul I just lives in a place where every day is opposite. Stay and you do the exact opposite of whatever, which is a fantastic option.
I can assure you, Albo, if you're watching, do not call an election. Stick to the plan.
Do not listen to Paul I do the exact say, Oh my god, the government's tanking.
You better call an election right now.
It's like, oh, really, because otherwise otherwise he'll just keep going down further. Because I'm reading the poll and I'm looking at this line, the lines going correct.
And the funny thing is Paul.
I don't know how Paul survived as a political editor or whatever on earth he was.
I don't think he broke a story in the entire time there.
But the thing is right, the polls don't just magically happen.
They're not just sequences of zeros and ones.
They're not just move and red lines and just go up and down, kind of like some kind of weird algorithm or the weird sort of pattern on your TV where it's in power. Something that's right the polls, and I know this is an absolute Just get your pen out, mate, get your pen out, put on your red glasses, going to lay your pen out right by daddy ready. The poles respond to actual events, to the real world, to
things that are happening in it. So if things happen in the real world, then the way people think about those things changes. So when people are upset with the government because interest rates are very high and not coming down, when interest rates start to come down, when they get happier, and when they get happier, they give different answers to the pollsters who call them up, and then the poles change.
You could call it pole bonjourno.
Ding I like, and I thought I did the good dad joke. You just beat me Lisa again right now again this message it's not about him directly, right, but it's just this idea that the opposition is so weak, the government is so amazing. Everyone would think Peter Dutton is so awful that given a small amount of exposure, he would become as radioactive as the energy policy. See what I did. I'm trying to win back that's the
dad gags. You're right, yeah, but every pole is showing a seat now again, I sit here, we all know what I want to happen on an election. I don't pretend it's not going to be a minority government. It's it's minorities as low as they're going to go, right because of first term government, all the preferences, all the rest of it. Right, But the idea that Queensland is, you know, you're all knuckle draggers who don't know the difference between
state and federal politics. Apparently because once you got rid of Stephen Miles, well then suddenly everyone falls in love with Albert.
Yeah, yep, we're just going to absolutely go against labor here in Queensland. The bloodshed will happen and look, Albert will be just fine. That's the theory behind is employing the Paul Bon journo. Right, yeah, yeah, Look, there's a lot of much later in this state. At the minute, I can tell you.
Yeah, it is leaving heap going.
Sorry, yeah, I was gonna say what they're leaving out of this is you've got one in five Australians, it's estimated now holding a second job. Because I just can't afford the pressures of both cost of living and inflation. That's what they're fighting against. That's why they're seeing the poll numbers that they are. And Joe's right, they need to actually put some policies on the table and make some actual change if they're going to see these poles
turn around. And I don't see that happening anytime soon.
Well, but also, as I mentioned before, I find it in the notes. But what is it sixty one percent of the overall amount that people are paying back every month's come up by sixty one percent, right, so even when interest rates turn around, it's half a percent. Okay, yes, sentiment, all of it, But the actual life that consequences are not going to be the first rate cut.
No, that's right.
Will it will be it will be the It will not be that the race the rate cut will be a magic bullet that will make people's lives better. It will just be that this is a sign that things are getting better in the future.
Bottom deck.
I feel more positive, and they do have to get their hatred of Stephen Miles and Queensland labor out of their system, but that doesn't.
That's not going to go away.
What you actually want is for the Libs to be the l and pter b empower in Queensland for a good sort of few months and people think they sort of have a buffer as well. They will be in the honeymoon Perpertilly, Oh this guy's all right, and then they'll think, oh, maybe labor is not so bad. We'll have a bit of an each way bet correct, and the interust rates are cut, you know, everyone says they're going to come down further or maybe things aren't so bad,
we'll give him another term. And that's what every labor government, sorry, every Australian government has received since World War II.
So generally speaking, of course, we all know that, yes it happens, but Australian seem to prefer one color at the state, one color at the federal.
That's right, a level of balance, that's right. It's a good, solid, safe each way. Bet It happened with Carr and Howard. It happened in Victoria in ninet ninety two when Jeff Kennett won in a landslide in October or November, and then in March or February March the following year. So again a few months later, once Kennett was in and doing all sorts of big cuts and blah blah blah. People, Actually, maybe we'll just keep labor in federally. Is a bit
of insurance possible. And it was those Victorian seats that made Paul Kitting win the unwinnable election.
While we aren't rattling the cage of some liftings, can we do so again today where Peter Dutton has come out and said, you know what, one of the jobs he will get rid of should he ever become Prime Minister is going to be a First Nations And now, of course there's a person who represents anyway. This is what he said today.
If it is the case that we win the next election, that position will be abolished on day one and that money will be spent to help Australian sort of struggling at the moment to keep a roof over their head or to pay their electricity bill. We've got higher priorities at the moment.
But of course Penny Wong says, why don't someone think about the international community.
It's disappointing that mister Dutton doesn't see a role for Indigenous Australians in representing Australia. And we see again his character on display. He divides us at home and frankly he diminishes us in the world.
Yeah, absolutely right, I mean just enterprise, not at all involved in a potential cabinet, let alone other members of the opposition. But Lisa, I read this all the time. Right now, it's always generally speaking, I'm going to say something about lefties, but yes, the right wing can do it from time to time as well, right as they're currently say doing with Nicko, which is, well, look what they're doing everything else in the world. Why don't we
do what everyone else is doing in the world. Great? Cool? Could we have Singapore's tax policy, Could we have a New Zealand's could we have the tobacco laws from Italy? It's not a buffet. And as soon as we start to turn around and say, well, the international community, I mean we'll just become pariahs if we do this or do that, or in this case, don't have somebody who yes, represents indigenous peoples but does not represent the sovereign state. The sovereign state is the foreign Minister.
Yeah, I completely agree, and also think back to when we were having the Voice debate. It was all about we were being shamed on the international stage because we weren't backing the Voice, remember those that those accusations were being thrown around to all the no voters.
Correct that money, rather than.
Going through the cost of living and Australian's cute blanche, put it back into the indigenous communities. Would that not be the argument that you would make that if you were back to the days where you've got elbow, where he spent the first sixteen months of his time in power actually focused on the Voice and not much else. But surely now they should be saying, well, let's put more of that money back into those indigenous communities.
Exactly, and look, look to be honest, whatever happens to the next election, that will be the ruling. The line underneath the distraction of the focus of the government when cost of living was getting wildly out of control and they were banging on, of course about the change of the constitution. But again, Joe, you've seen plenty of people argue this line, right, which is the how will the
international community think about us right now? I'm completely aware that we are in a more connected world than ever before, and we're part of this, and we're part of that, and We're not an island that doesn't communicate by the rest of the world, and we don't have histories that need to be doing fine with all of that. But the least convincing line about keeping an essentially meaningless ceremonial position is what other countries think of it.
It is the stupidest reason for doing it.
I'm sure, I hope there are good reasons for having a First Nations ambassador. I mean, I couldn't give a rats what other countries think of us, accepting so far as we're strategically protected from foreign and we've got a good trading relationship with we need so that's right. It should be all about you know, the Australian government is not the UN it is the Australian government should be governing in the best insight.
Don't tell any that she's working it off in the Middle East.
I mean, if you want it, that's right.
If you wanted well, if you wanted you know, I mean, you would think that the most important role of a First Nation's ambassador would be to make representations to the Australian government, correct, which of course is what the Voice was initially intended to do.
And push it up it's gone.
I know that's right, but certainly was what was your last one? What I was what I was told that it was going to be. And so again, if you're going to represent First Nations people in Australia and put their interests front and center, the people you would want to be talking to, and not any other foreign government but the Australian government, and you would want someone who says things like, you know, this is what's happening in our communities in Alice Springs, this is what's happening in
our remote communities, this is what's happening in Wilcanya. You know, these are the things we need. This is what's not working. Can you can we do it this way instead? But look, I mean the explanation I saw for for this guy's roles did seem pretty bully to me. I have to say, you know, it was in accordance with the strategic alignments and whatever, and.
We need some straight talk.
The dollars on the travel, it's the dollars on the travel that we're really good under the bondard of most Australians, I think, correct?
Correct? What can you prove for it?
All?
Right? Quick breaking plenty to talk about including Look, we're all focused about kids and social media. What about adults? We're plenty hooked on it. Also, there was such a great chat the other night about pets on planes? What about pets for renters? Want to sing? Joe Hildebrand talking common sense is always really favorite. This is his favorite camera right now.
This is my safe space.
Only seven scores, but I love it all right, And Lisa got out, of course from Adoni Media now doing great suffers in Brisy. I want to start with you, Lisa about the supermarket stuff, right, because I think the Prime Minister thinks that he's got finally the scapegoat. Now with the case and all the rest of it, Can I just make a bold prediction, by the way, it'll get settled, just like all of these things end up
taking place. Yes, there'll be some you know, reputation, all this and that along the way, but at the end of the day, as we have shown with four big banks, as we will show with two major supermarkets, as we will, we all know people will revert back to type. Okay, but what do you think of how this has played
out in the past twenty four hours? That do you Yeah, who do you think has either the most to gain the most to lose, or just like a royal commission into the banks, we're exactly where we were the day before.
You mean it goes nowhere, Paul Murray? Is that what you're saying, You're going to go through all of this and not much full change. Is that what you're saying now? I don't believe it. At the end of the day, it's the average shopper gets done over. What surprised me with this was that it was strepsls strepsels in October. That's not even flu season. So it was just ad a weird example of how they were caught out with the prices going up, up, up, instead of you down,
down down. But look, I think Albanezy was very very fast to jump on this, so that he did, he saw it as a life raft. Politically, I think to try to prove that. Look, it's their fault and their fault nothing to do with us is cost of living. That's inflation coming from supermarkets, So I don't think that.
Yeah, But I mean the difficult is in and around the political side of groceries, right is in any two year period, I guarantee everything costs more than it did two years ago. Right now, the margins by which is all the conversation. But as soon as you start sort of hitching your political fortunes to bread should be this much and milk should be that much, it's not going to work. Hence why the housing stuff is the major deal.
I know you've got a rant on it, but I want to get to something else here, which is that for all the talking kids and social media and the great needs for that to be dealt with, let's deal with adults on the internet. All right now, We've all got one person in our family. It may well be you who right now? Yeah, poor, good stuff? Oh Joe, that's good. So I love you to see you look and you're on the device while watching at the same time.
All right now, Joe, we know that people are very plugged in, but let's also be honest too that there may well be a lot of people watching us who now live by themselves whatever different reason, and things like Facebook, Instagram they become their way of interacting with the rest of the world. What do you think about an adults relationship with social media about when it's too much for them?
Well, my name is Joe and I'm an Interholik Hi Joe. I. I quit social media. I quit Twitter and Facebook.
I can't even get into my old Facebook account occasionally, very occasionally just look at Twitter sometimes to get in touch with people who I think I have the number, but I was communicating through messaging or whatever. But I certainly haven't tweeted for years. I have no desire to. And the most striking thing is is that you look at it after not being sort of in the middle of it, and you realize how absolutely utterly cooked the joint is.
It is so off the charts crazy.
The same things are still like, bugger me if I don't see you know, Dan Andrews and Peter Kredlin trending every single day, you know, like the.
Same the same screaming is.
It is absolutely and just so toxic, and I just go, thank God, I'm out there. I do still hang out on the Gram because I'm a forty eight year old man. I'm having a midlife crisis. But it's so much nice. I like, that's just a nice, positive vibe. Everyone to supports the thing.
And the latest.
But my latest shame and this is what's truly emasculating, partly because it's an addiction.
That is just so early noughties. But I am addicted to candy Crash.
Yeah, you are proper.
And I am fully and to the point where I was flying back from Melbourne on the weekend and the stewardess, the attendant said, looked over my shoulder and says, wow, just what level are you on? And I said, I don't know, seven thousand and something and she goes, wow, I'm only on three thousand, and I've been doing it for ten years.
That's oh my god.
Yeah, Lisa, what is what is your Internet shame that you're willing to own up to?
Oh?
I was saying, I could all very well sit here in trying and dull screen you right.
Now, if you could please pretty much what.
My evenings are like. It's really bad, isn't it? So many years and news I think, just staying across everything all the time. Yeah, it must have been. I'm a bit guilty of that. While rousing on the children to get off there, Tom, I think, thanks to Joe, Candy Crush will go through the roof now.
Yeah, look, I look, I'll be honest. In the darker moments, I will spend way too much time on the reels in the middle of the night. As things become increasingly stranger, or they either become more rock and roll, or they become sort of strange industrial things or lawn mowing.
Norm McDonald never stops being funny, the same Norm McDonald joke one thousand times later.
It's still funny.
That's not my fault. Still. My simple point about all of this is, like anything else, sometimes just put it down and go outside. That's the real world. Look up every now and then leave your phone at home when you go to the shop. So okay, there's lots of other ways to pay, including a wallet for things, So just look up. The world is pretty awesome to see. This is not the way you should spend your life,
but you know that. I know that, and hopefully we have held all of your attention for the full hour. I look forward to the same courtesy being extended to the late debate in moments from now here on Sky News. Thank you very much for watching. Send me an email if you wish safely, of course, Paul. It's gonews dot com dot Ada.