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Paul Murray Live | 24 October

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Lidia Thorpe's latest excuse just splitting hairs. Plus, Queenslanders just two days away from the state election, and the desperate Democrats' campaign continues to spiral just weeks out from the US election.

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Speaker 1

This is Paul Murray Live, geta where the man Cave is in Brisbane tonight, two days away from the Queensland election.

Speaker 2

We've got a lot on that front tonight as well.

Speaker 1

As a debate about the other issues that are around today.

Speaker 2

Remember you can always send.

Speaker 1

Me an email Paulitsgunnews dot com dot AU. Let's get straight into it. Yes, I'm going to talk about Lydia Thorpe, but slightly different than everyone else, and then I'll get onto other stuff. Okay, Now we know Lydia Thorpe yelled at the King this week. We know that Lydia Thorpe got what she wanted because of course she got all of the attention that.

Speaker 2

Came with that.

Speaker 1

She's also out there and about today saying.

Speaker 2

I'm not going anywhere. I'm not going anywhere.

Speaker 1

And you have heard about the inconsistencies between what she's using as her excuses today that are different than yesterday. And it all goes back to how she was sworn in as a senator. Now you remember at the time that we noted that she clearly was being sworn in with two fingers behind her back because she had read the oath and the Oath says that, of course you

are committed to their majesties and their heirs and successes. Now, I wanted to show you in full, but Lydia Thorpe didn't just take one go at this.

Speaker 2

She tried to get away with not.

Speaker 1

Giving the oath, but the President of the Senate at the time when no, no, you've got to do it properly or you're not formally sworn in as a senator.

Speaker 2

Again, you've heard a lot of people talk about this. I want to show.

Speaker 1

You the full clip of how she tried to get around the oath that decides whether she is or isn't a senator. This is the whole idea that will be battled over in the next few weeks.

Speaker 3

Senator Thought, I'm going.

Speaker 2

To wait for quiet, patently.

Speaker 4

Just listen, Senator Thought, you are required to recite the oath as printed on the card.

Speaker 3

So please recite the oath words.

Speaker 2

Read what's there.

Speaker 1

None of us right away?

Speaker 2

Turn around? Read the damn piece of paper.

Speaker 5

Their true allegiance to the colonizing her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to her Majesty Queen Elism and the second, her hairs and successes according to law.

Speaker 1

Okay, important, important, important, important, right important. Now, obviously it's very clear she didn't want to read the words as written. It's very obvious that she clearly tries to miss pronounce or not read correctly the words heirs and successes. Now, heirs doesn't have an eight in it, but clearly you heard her doing that. Now, if she's not properly sworn in in the same way that if you are a

dual citizen, you can't remain a senator. Now there is going to be like a Zebruta film jfk assassination style analysis of exactly what words she said. Now, remember when she was on TV earlier this week, she was open that she didn't read the words as instructed multiple times.

Speaker 2

Instead, she did it her way.

Speaker 6

I read the card. It said hers, which you know is now is heirs. I'm no expert on the English language. That's part of the process of colonization.

Speaker 1

So she thought, ah, I found a clever way around this. And then somebody's clearly whispered in her ear if you don't take the oath properly, whether you mean it.

Speaker 2

Or not, Okay, nobody can know what's going on inside somewhere.

Speaker 1

But if you don't read it properly, word for word, letter for letter, then maybe you're not qualified to be a senator. Now, remember this is a person who came in under the cover of the Greens and then walked away from them very quickly into the Parliament, knowing that she would have a full six year term, meaning even after the next election, we've got to put up with her for another three years. Well, clearly worried that her first defense, which was I didn't really mean it, might

see her booted out of the Senate. We got this version today.

Speaker 7

You know, my English grammar isn't as good as others, and I spoke what I read, so I misspoke.

Speaker 1

Okay, all again, too clever, Right, You don't have to have an awareness of grammar. You don't have to be someone who speaks the Queen's English. You need to be able to read and repeat every single word of the Oath. Now, unless her third defense is going to be that she's dyslexic, but her saying oh my understanding of grap no no no, no, no no. Take this from a high functioning dyslexic. If you've got problems reading the words because for whatever reason, your brain can sometimes jumble them.

Speaker 2

That is its own thing.

Speaker 1

What you did, because we saw in the original video she tried not.

Speaker 2

To deliver that part of the oath.

Speaker 1

She then turns around the second time. She's been ordered by the President of the Senate to read it directly, and she clearly didn't read it directly, and she certainly didn't annunciate the words properly.

Speaker 2

Will this means she can get booted out of the Senate? Now?

Speaker 1

You would think that Labor, Greens and the cross Bench will probably come to defend her, because they always do when it comes to lefties. But is there a procedure that it won't matter what her side of politics thinks. I can't wait to talk to Bromin Bishop of course, a former senator, seven Conroy, a former Leader of the Senate, about what the procedure is here, what happens next? They

know the institution. Do they think that she can get booted or we're going to put up with her for another however many years.

Speaker 2

We get to that a little later in the show.

Speaker 1

As I mentioned, two days to go here in Queensland until that state election, lots of people have already voted. The expectation is after early voting wraps up tomorrow that a good chunk, maybe even half of all people may well have voted early now. Last night, of course, Queensland was very focused on what we had to say, and thank you to the huge reaction that we've had to my comments at the start of the show about why

Queensland matters as much to me as it does. I don't say that as a panda to Queensland, as I say it as I explained last night about why I love the place because it's the place that I, when I'm not at home, most choose to be in Australia. It is a place that deserves better than its current government. But we'll all find out in the next couple of days whether or not there is about to be a

change of government. And if I sound slightly wobblier compared to guaranteed absolute the sun will rise tomorrow and the government will change on Saturday, well, I'll get to why you should always be skeptical of what could be a fifty to fifty result. For his part, the potential future Premier and current Opposition leader David Cruci fully out and about today trying to keep the focus hard and fast

on law and order issues in this state. The Palichet government, at the same time as they were claiming to tighten up a whole collection of laws, as you know, changed a whole bunch of other laws that mean possession of drugs is not automatically a crime. As I said at the time, this was overtly done because it went about a certain percentage of the whole youth crime was possession

of drugs. If you suddenly say it's not a crime anymore, magically the numbers start to fall, and funnily enough, Stephen Miles is using that exact argument about youth crime and crime overall that is falling. In part that is because of what was a crime, drug possession in this state currently is considered not to be. The whole collection of

diversionary programs. David Chruso Foley says, no, we go back to the way that it used to be, which is, if you caught with drugs, regardless of how much there will be a problem for you in Queen's Lake.

Speaker 8

We don't believe a soft on drugs approach works, but I don't believe rolling out the welcome mat to drugs and saying that drugs are acceptable here and not here.

Speaker 2

I just don't believe.

Speaker 1

That's the right way.

Speaker 2

For his part.

Speaker 1

The potential and hopefully outgoing Premiere, Stephen Miles is doing what he's done all campaign, which is a stunt that the media will like, a headline that produces things like the Premier to visit thirty six states in thirty six hours and Jesus, isn't he working really hard and he wants it more than everybody else. Of course, it's a last ditched effort to make the most of his taxpayer

funded travel. Which remember this bloke during this election campaign used a taxpayer funded jet to fly ten minutes so he could go to a birthday party for one of his own MPs. This is the same bloke who took his own private jet to North Queensland while the Police commissioner took his private jet. You couldn't possibly get on the same private two private jets. These people other people's money. They've had their snout in the trough for too long.

I desperately hope there's going to be a change. There was some other silliness that took place today, including a Deputy leader's debate where the deputy leader of the LMP didn't turn up, so Cameron Dick of course had the opportunity to pretend that he could debate a person who wasn't there. This is part of it they played out here at the Korea Male Today.

Speaker 9

We're going through one of the biggest growth periods in our state's history. Now, we always pay our debts in Queensland, you know, issue our bonds three five thirty is we always pay them and Queensland never retires, so we will always be able to service our debs.

Speaker 1

Well, the deputy LMP leader wasn't there, but we'll be here on this program tonight. I'll ask him some of the questions that clearly weren't able to be asked then, and why he didn't turn up at that debate. We'll get to that a little bit later tonight. Now we know that the great battle at the federal level, of course, is between an unpopular Prime minister and the rising popularity of our guests last night, Peter Dutton.

Speaker 2

We also know that they have.

Speaker 1

Two very different views when it comes to the energy solution for our country in the many years going forward. We know the Prime Minister is obsessed. We're doubling down on billions and billions of dollars on renewable projects. Peter Dutton says that you could spend less that he's planned on the renewables, and of course back in on nuclear power.

Speaker 2

Now.

Speaker 1

Of course the automatic scare that the Labor Party has brought into play, and they wanted to play during the Queensland election. Of course they started that abortion lie, which again I debunked and destroyed and gave you the reasons why they were doing it last night. That video is now up at sky news dot com. If you're in Queensland, please share it well. Of course, the scare manger that they wanted to do. If it wasn't abortion, it was going to be will a nuclear reactor be in your backyard?

Nuclear power is the most expensive form of new energy. Renewables are the cheapest.

Speaker 2

A nuclear powered Australia.

Speaker 1

Could it work?

Speaker 10

Question mark here as a plan for nuclear reactors where he won't tell you how much it'll cost.

Speaker 3

Nuclear takes longer, it costs more, and it would waste Australia's unique combination of geological, geographical, geopolitical and meteorological advantages.

Speaker 1

Now, I've always argued that the model for big changes in Australia is the way John Howard argued the GST in the nineteen ninety eight election, and it simply was, yes, there will be a new GST. However all of these other taxes will be removed, Australians having a sense that

they get something for the change. So my argument has always been that whatever local government area or federal electorate, you work out how it works that is willing to host a nuclear power plant that that area should receive free energy, you will see many a hand go up, you will see unanimous votes for councils, you will see people fighting for these things to be built in their area.

I've argued that position for many months and I hope that that's something that the Opposition leader and the opposition generally take to the next federal election, because I think it truly does blunt many or most.

Speaker 2

Of the fear campaigns.

Speaker 1

And we know that this government's got very little to run on in terms of its own defense, so they're going to be trying to scare, scare, scare. Well, prominent Australian business person may well be a viewer of this program, or just two people can have the same idea. At the same time, Ryan Stokes was addressing the media today in Perth, where he has of course involved in the ownership structure of the West Australian newspaper Channel seven and

mining companies in Western Australia. Well, he says, yes, what a good way to make sure that nuclear power gets over the nimbis is to offer it for free to some people, including the people who of course would be in and around where one of these things would be built. Nuclear is a carbon free power source, so it makes sense to be talking about that to reduce carbon emissions.

Speaker 2

Common sense.

Speaker 1

Mister Stokes thinks there's a solution to deal with the rest of the population who remain nuclear nimbi's which is not in my backyard. And to deal with this nimbiasm, it's easy. You find ways to incentivize people to live around nuclear power. Put simply, you make it free for the people who live within a certain distance, as I say,

local council, area, federal electorate. You watch, you watch country towns in this country shove their hands in the end and say, yes, sign us up, we're ready, let's do it. If the trade off is free power, I think that

would be a very good idea. Meantime, when he talks about the renewable revolution, that we are forced to endure something that along with the building of the turbines and the solar panels that of course all are out of date within a couple of decades, and the wiring of all of this making the wires a two way street when it comes to power that will cost about a trillion dollars. Polie says that no one can possibly believe

that renewable energy is free. There's no such thing as free for a free lunch, there's no such thing as free energy. There's no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. I agree, and as we spoke about with Peter Dutton on the program last night, even the people who are in charge of the energy grid are telling us that even after all of the windmills have been built, all of the solar panels have been rolled out, power may not actually be cheaper than what we are paying now.

Speaker 11

Chris Bowen, I think, has been misleading the Australian people, along with Anthony Ibneasy for years now. The penny has dropped for a lot of Australians. A lot people have been well ahead of this debate, and the frustration is building in the community because when the Prime ministers promised on ninety seven occasions he'd reduced power bills both two hundred and seventy five dollars, so most people have gone up by one thousand dollars.

Speaker 1

Now, what do these three things have in common. A spokesperson for the New Muslim Votes political movement, the CCP in China, and lefty Laura Tingle from the ABC.

Speaker 2

Well, all three of them think.

Speaker 1

That Australia is racist, a racist country. Now we know that Lefty Laura Tingle has said this, and she did it at a Ritus festival where a whole bunch of people.

Speaker 2

Will clutch their pearls in agreement.

Speaker 1

We are in a racist.

Speaker 12

Campulen's face that we always have been, and it is very depressing to give a license like that. I find profoundly depressing and a terrible prospect for the next election.

Speaker 1

And of course we can never forget her incredible four D chess and X ray vision that she was able to look around the corner at a dystopian future for Australia that because we're so racist, and because the racist flames are being fanned because of the problems of immigration, which as we know, is not about where people are from, what they look like, what they believe, but how many people join the queue for things like ambulances, where again in places like Queensland, there's a chance if you call

her below, the ambulance may not turn up, or if you sit in the back of the ambulance you may well end up being there for hours because there's no bed for you in a hospital.

Speaker 2

No, no, let's add another million people on top of all of that.

Speaker 1

Well, she believed the dystopian future is that as soon as now, people who are new to the country, whatever that means, who look like people who are new to the country, whatever that means, will of course be set upon by a racist mob of people who won't like when they're bidding for a house or trying to get a rental property. For a major point the.

Speaker 12

Collity that us be saying, as Nicky says, you know, everything that's going wrong in this country is because of migrants. And you know, I had sudden flash of people turning up to try to rent a property or at an auction, and they look a bit different. What have you defined different as basically he has given them license.

Speaker 10

To be abused.

Speaker 1

I'm pretty sure that's racist what she said. But because she said, here's one hundred walkleys and an oam is coming your way, of course none of that is happening and none of that will be happening in the country. But that's the first person who is as straight as racist.

The second a spokesperson for this Muslim Votes movement. Now, I don't talk much about the Muslim Votes movement because ultimately, even if they're able to successfully move ten to twenty percent of labor voters for them to be able to get the teal effect, they need the preferences of the Liberal Party. That's not going to happen. So I don't talk about it much. But one of the spokespeople for it, well, guess what they say, Australia is racist.

Speaker 13

Those two sentences triggered the poor sensibilities of the white exceptionalist establishment. She's absolutely one hundrescent right. This country is racist. Its whole origin as a modern state is built on racism, and it continues to be racist today. But that racism now extends to others with a vigor.

Speaker 8

Right.

Speaker 13

The response to any issue dealing with Islam with Muslims and now Palestine, it's not even hidden racism any longer. It's overt, it's loud.

Speaker 1

And then China, well, China had the hide to come out today. And because Australia is trying to point out the human rights issues that are taking place in China, the handsome boy and the president, well, of course they'll cuddle up at any opportunity they possibly can. Otherwise there's a trade war and we know how all of that goes, and we must reset the relationship. But an official with the Foreign Affairs Department has turned around and said this

about Australia. Australia or China has been accused, has accused Australia of systemic racism and hate crimes at hypocrisy. After an Australian diplomat raised international concerns about human rights abuses in the area where the Vegas are and Tibet at the UN, the Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Lee we are and I think it is, says quote, out of their ideological bias, Australia, the US and a handful of other Western countries stoked confrontation and multilateral platforms for their selfish

political interests. Well what do you do with the US and what do you do when it comes to the World Health Organization because they were not all that good in being able to hold you accountable for the WUFLU getting around anyway, let's get to the why Australia's racist bit. Australia long plague by systemic racism and hate crimes, have severely violated the rights of refugees and immigrants and left

indigenous people with vulnerable living conditions. All they go on, Australian soldiers have committed a borren crimes in Afghanistan and other countries during their military operations. Well, Powe, let's push the ball right back into your half of the court. A million people are currently working in slave labor camps because they believe what the government does not allow them to believe. Uigas are being put into slave labor camps.

They are being physically, psychologically and sexually abused.

Speaker 2

A million of these people.

Speaker 1

The abuse is absolutely disgraceful happening right now.

Speaker 2

But what about back in history.

Speaker 1

You have to go about that far to when China had a one child policy rule. It meant that, as The Washington Post reported in nineteen eighty five, that people were killing their baby girls because the one child they wanted was a son. Official position, of course to the Chinese government, how dare they try to high horse us? But look at the fellow the bedfellows, the extreme left of the media and emerging identitarian form of politics based in and around religion, and China all using the same

weapon against us to pretend that this country is racist. Please, I find it extraordinary that the racism was displayed by Laura Tingle about people who look different being set upon, the apparent racism that exists in a country that you are trying to convince people via the ballot box to vote for you, and China trying to pretend that they have the moral high ground on any of these issues is a disgrace. Now, I want to talk about our mates in Broken Hill. They've had a tough week this week.

Hopefully many of them are starting to watch us again via powered devices, but I know plenty of people have been listening to us via their phones or DAB Radio has lots of different ways to get Sky News.

Speaker 2

I love Broken Hill.

Speaker 1

We were there not that long ago doing an outtown, an absolutely spectacular part of Australia. If you get the chance to go, go and have a look at some of the mines, but also go and look at the stars.

Speaker 2

Beautiful part of Australia. Well guess what they've been without power.

Speaker 1

In fact, about fourteen hundred homes, which a big chunk of the town is probably not going to have electricity for weeks.

Speaker 2

You see.

Speaker 1

It all took place because there was a giant storm out in far western New South Wales. Brokenhill blackout pushes the town to the brink. Miners are being stood down and schools are being closed. There was a generator that brought in to try to replace power, particularly for the local hospital. Well that overheated. That's shut down. So I'm pleased to say we've got an update. Firstly, we see you about the problems you've been having in a Broken Hill.

Shout out to all of our mates we've met and have been watching the show for years.

Speaker 2

But also the new supplers.

Speaker 1

Government, well they say they are helping. In fact they are doing so as we speak.

Speaker 8

I've come here today with the first round of a government support package. Two hundred dollars for households in Broken Hill and surrounding communities, four hundred dollars to small businesses. I realize that's not going to make everybody whole, and there's been significant into disruption and interruption in power, but it's the first step in us working with the local community to get businesses up on their feet and get the community going again.

Speaker 2

Yeah, good on him.

Speaker 1

Good on the local mayor all the rest of it. For going out, having the face to face, bringing the media with them. That's good stuff. I really like Chris Mins. I think that he's the perfect example of what lay should be. Of course, Albo has no interest in doing any of that. He knows better than everyone else. But I'm more than happy to have supported that bloke becoming the premiere, and more than happy to say that this

bloke is doing a very good job. If any of this is falling flat place and men, email pulitsgoingews dot com dot if you're in or around Brokenhill, shout out to everyone watching us. There now to the United States, less than a couple of weeks to go.

Speaker 2

Now.

Speaker 1

Now, remember Kamala Harris when she was doing better than she currently is in the opinion polls. What was the word they were using over and over again to describe their political movement.

Speaker 14

Let's not be afraid of having a little joy to the point of, you know, what gives you, what makes you feel good about your work.

Speaker 15

I find joy in the American people. I find joy in optimism. I find joy in the ambition of the people. I find joy in the dreams of the people. I find joy in building community. I find joy in building coalitions.

Speaker 1

Oh well, that was then, and now is now, and she is losing in the polls, and every prediction is that she will lose the presidency. We'll find out in the next couple of weeks if something magically is going to change. But the Joy and Vibes candidate is now.

Speaker 14

This should never again have the privilege of standing behind the seal of the.

Speaker 1

President of the United States.

Speaker 14

And that man calls himself the father of IVF.

Speaker 1

I mean, what does.

Speaker 2

That even mean.

Speaker 1

He has no idea what he's talking about.

Speaker 14

The American people are exhausted with his gas lighting.

Speaker 1

But it seems to me that the Trump campaign is now the Joy and Vibes campaign. You have a man who's remember the stakes for him, he will become leader.

Speaker 2

Of the free world, or if he loses, he'll go to jail.

Speaker 1

Because the system is absolutely ready to put him in jail on some of those federal charges, let alone what's playing out in New York right now. Yet, how is he behaving. He's dancing on the stage, he's smiling and laughing when he's leaning out of a window. When it comes to McDonald's. That's not a guy who looks like he's playing a losing hand. And the stakes for him way higher than any of us talking about it, for his personal safety.

Speaker 2

It's presidency or jail.

Speaker 1

I think he's currently the Joy candidate, and today he addressed a mega rally in Georgia. This looks like a Joy campaign to me. Kamale is even losing on Joy right now. Trump has got her covered. They're the supporters as well, because they look like they are headed in

the direction of the White House. So in the past couple of days, there has been every attempt possible from all of their mates in the media, that being the Democrats, to try to find that one story that will disqualify Trump as the next president of the United States.

Speaker 2

There are two stories I want to tell you about.

Speaker 1

One dropped via The Guardian with a story of a woman who claims at a party where Jeffrey Epstein had some connection to Donald Trump, that Donald Trump had groped her. The story is from the early nineteen nineties. The second is a much nastier piece, which was a whole bunch of unconfirmed sources, among other things, telling a terrible story. The terrible stories around this lady, a beautiful woman who was viciously murdered on an army base during Trump's presidency.

The family ended up coming to the White House spending time with the president. The president said that he would pay if needed, for the funeral. The bill turned up, and the unnamed sources was that he apparently blew up at the size and then made some sort of racial reference because she was quote unquote Mexican. Now everyone in the room who remembers the conversation says, no, that didn't happen. The family of the woman tweeted this in response to

the article that the media have just ignored that. The family came out and said, Wow, I don't appreciate how you're exporting my sister's death for politics. It's harmful, disrespectful. Donald Trump did showed nothing but respect to my family. In fact, I voted for President Trump today, So that story is rubbish. But you watch them trying to push it everywhere, and every time you hear it, I want

you to remember the family themselves say it's garbage. The second one is this person who was sacked by Donald Trump and has hated it ever since, and it was spent every day since being sacked. Is his chief of staff tipping a bucket on him. But suddenly, two weeks before the election, of all of the stories that have been told, he just happened to remember, two weeks before an election, a conversation about Hitler and the good things

quote unquote that he did. I don't believe that happened in the same way that I don't believe the other thing happened. And all of this is happening because of the pressure that is on Democrats. They can't run on their record, and they can't run on their promise of the next four years, so instead they're in the Trump derangement syndrome phase. But those people were already voting for Kamala Harris. But today Kamala Harris spoke from the Naval Observatory, which is.

Speaker 2

Her equivalent of the White House.

Speaker 1

It's her residence in DC, and she was laying it on with two troughs.

Speaker 14

It is deeply troubling and incredibly dangerous that Donald Trump would invoke Adolf Hitler, the man who is responsible for the deaths of six million Jews. All of this is further evidence for the American people of who Donald Trump really is.

Speaker 1

Honestly, the whole three minutes is a disgrace, an absolute disgrace. But we'll see whether it works with people or not. I would suspect not. I think they've been crying wolf for eight years. They've had it at eleven since the second he came down on the escalators. So I just think there's a level of noise. In the same way in twenty twenty, the American people wanted to turn down and off on Donald Trump. I think the American people want to turn down and.

Speaker 2

Off the left.

Speaker 1

He's pretending the sky is going to fall in by real life, acting the president who did a much better job than what the Democrats have done when it came to the economy or the border.

Speaker 2

In the past four years.

Speaker 1

So as we go into the second last weekend, a weekend where Donald Trump will give an interview to Joe Rogan, I think that's going to produce some big news and potentially not great News because Joe Rogan isn't a huge fan of Donald Trump and may well ask some pretty direct questions nobody else will, but WE'LLI find out together. And he's got a giant rally at Madison Square Garden, the same site as WrestleMania and the Knicks playing. It'll

be home to a Donald Trump rally this weekend. Of course, that means the joy message versus the wild message will be what he's trying to push. As for tonight, when the betting market's currently sixty forty the chances of Donald Trump becoming president, their suggestion current in the betting markets

is that he wins every swing state. In a more left winging left wing leaning Nate Silver, he turns around and says that Trump is now favorite to be the president, only just, but the assumption is he will win Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Georgia, and Nevada. If he does that, then sorry in Arizona. If he does that, he will maintain a path of the presidency. And if all the polls are locked in place and are true, Trump wins every swing state and gets three.

Speaker 2

Hundred and twelve electoral votes.

Speaker 1

So Harris, again getting desperate, trying to play as many home games as she possibly can between now and that inevitable election. She was on the ultimate home turf, which of course was CNN, but she even stuffed that up. Have listened to this question and this appalling answer. Is there something you can point to in your life, political life, or in your life in the last four years that you think is a mistake that you have learned from.

Speaker 14

I mean, I've made many mistakes, and they range from you know, if you've ever parented a child, you know you make lots of mistakes too. In my role as vice president, I mean, I've probably worked very hard at making sure that I am well versed on issues, and I think that is very important. It's a mistake not to be well versed on an issue and feel compelled to answer a question.

Speaker 2

Wait, didn'tmit it.

Speaker 1

That's her answer any mistakes. I try too hard. It's like a job interview. What do you think your waitness is up? I'm just too committed to the job. Even Democrats trying to spin for her in the postgame show on CNN, they didn't buy it.

Speaker 16

The things that would concern me is when she doesn't want to answer a question. Her habit is to kind of go to world word salad city, and she did that on a couple of answers. One was on Israel, Anderson asked a direct question, would you be stronger on Israel than Trump? And there was a seven minute answer, but none of it related to the question he was asking on immigration. I thought she missed an opportunity because she would acknowledge no concerns about any of the administration's policies.

And that's a mistake. Sometimes you have to concede things.

Speaker 1

Time is running out, especially for Kamala Harris. Quick break back with bare looking forward to Stephen Conroy and Bromwin Bishop.

Speaker 2

They know the rules of the Senate.

Speaker 1

Is there a way to get rid of Lydia Thorpe politically?

Speaker 2

We will do so in a moment here on Paul Murray Law, Welcome back to Brisbane.

Speaker 1

Just a couple of days away from the Queensland election. A news poll has just dropped on The Australian's website. There has been a change in who they think is going to win and by what margin since the campaign started. I'll get to the details in a moment or two time, but first, always here to help is Stephen Conroy carry out a champions always Bromwin, Bishop Bromin, I want to use your expertise as a senator Stephen yours is a

former leader of the Senate. Is there a way to get rid of Lydia Thorpe And if people got Zabruta film about it, if she didn't take the oath properly, can that disqualify her as a senator?

Speaker 4

Bromwin, Well, mars would initially be probably not, but I'll put a caveat on that. I think people would have thought the same thing when all that flurry of people coming up against Section forty four and people who were said to have dual citizenship and were thrown out of the Senate. I don't think anybody anticipated that that's the way it would end up. So there is every possibility that this could end up in the High Court and it could be deliberated upon as to whether or not

she did conform with Section forty two Constitution. So I think this has got a long way to travel. I mean her duplicity, not only in trying to avoid properly taking the oath in the first place, today talking about grammar, which has got nothing to do with it at all.

Speaker 1

I think just maybe.

Speaker 4

Were very very angry. I know when I looked at her, I just thought, here's this exhibitionist woman put there by the Greens. Understand, she's there because she was a Green on the Green ticket, she was deputy leader of the Greens, and they have to be responsible for putting her there and not let off the hook. But her own behavior is something that she does on a regular basis, and it doesn't matter whether it's lying down in Mardi Gras and the street, or whether it's having a fight with

a bike or whatever it is. It's all done for publicity for herself, which has got nothing to do with any cause. It's just exhibitionism. But it is possible to end up in the High Court. I think.

Speaker 2

Stevid Is is a fight worth having.

Speaker 17

No, Seriously, Romin's first instincting on this is right, Okay, she's an exhibitionist who just demands attention, and she's going to keep lifting the bar because it gets more boring each time, has got to be more outrageous.

Speaker 2

Bob Brown.

Speaker 17

Interjected on George W. Bush at a Federal Joint sitting, and I think he attempted to do it again. She within a couple of days later and there was all this outrage about it should be kicked out. It's like, just stop talking about her. She revels in the attention on Bromin's Section forty four. Bro when it's never actually been tested. Jackie Kelly not kicked out of Parliament on

the basis of section forty four. And more importantly, Graham Campbell remember for cal Gooley said yeah, I'm a British citizen.

Speaker 2

Team someone wants to take me to court. Go your hardest.

Speaker 4

But Stephen, all those.

Speaker 17

Resignations, all those resignations, Stephen.

Speaker 1

Wise, forty four was tested in court.

Speaker 4

Section forty two has not been tested in court.

Speaker 1

Sorr, are you just wrong? So a wrong resign No one was expelled, No one was expelled. I had to go, did you? I mean, can I talk about Okay, guys, can I need to jump into you because we're all in different spots, so forgive me. I've got to take

the wheel here. Interesting opinion pieces came out today from a lefty over in the Sydney Morning Herald doing a bit of reporting but also a bit of opinion here that basically Anthony Aberaneze's control over the Labor Party and its members ship in the Parliament is so strong that MPs are not in a position to be able to pull him back when he's making the obvious mistakes that he's been making for some time. Stephen, I'll ask you it this way. Is this like right in his observation?

Speaker 17

He is wrong in his analysis. Okay, whether albo is the Prime Minister of the day has authority over the caucus and the parliamentary Party, absolutely is analysis is wrong. The reason that people don't change the least now, it's not the sixty five or seventy percent rule. It's actually because you've then got to have a ballot of the full full membership of the party, an insane rule. I opposed it to Rudd's face. I've opposed it when people

talked about it previously. I would urge our parliamentary colleagues to repeat it.

Speaker 2

It won't happen.

Speaker 17

Because there's a whole range of self interested reasons why it won't happen. But it should be dumped. But that's the real reason. It's the party membership vote. You'd have no prime Minister of the country for three months, a completely untenable position.

Speaker 2

That's the real problem.

Speaker 17

You can blast someone out has been demonstrated repeatedly over time. By simply having orchestrating and string of resignations people you know coming out every day, you.

Speaker 1

Build the pressure up.

Speaker 17

Nick mentioned did it brilliantly orchestrated it against Malcolm term All the first time, and it's happened against labor leaders as well. As you know, people resign, people resign, people resign. It becomes an untenable position. So the real problem is not the percent of the parliamentary party, it's the actual

rules that follow from it. So Albo, as any Prime minister should have, has a lot of authority, but the analysis was flawed because his reasoning and understanding of the parliamentary rules was flawed.

Speaker 1

In Queensland, of course, you know which way? Where would you like to comment about what Steven can?

Speaker 4

I just say the idea that anybody would be fearful of Albanesi in that caucus is laughable. I mean, the man is quite plainly totally unable to carry out the job. You've got three people at least in their counting heads and Stephen, I'm not going to argue about your rules. But my understanding was if they want to change the rules, all they need is fifty percent plus one in the caucus, and if they only have one candidate, they can do it.

Speaker 2

Yep.

Speaker 17

No, I made sure that rule of fifty percent plus one in caucus stayed as a national rule. So I'm very familiar with this process. But I repeat, no one in the caucus, no one will I repeat. I offered to move it. I offered to walk into the caucus and actually repeal it, but there wasn't enough support to be to do it. And there still remains enough support. I think it should be done. I think it's a bad rule. I think, and that's got nothing to with Albanese right or anyone else.

Speaker 2

Is just a bad rule. I want to talk about Queensland in this poll that's just dropped.

Speaker 1

We're all going to be learning about it together here now, stop teasing. Now, we're going to show you here that are numbers from the start of the campaign versus the end of the campaign. Let's get some of these slides up now and we'll talk our way through it here where what seems to have happened over the campaign is that right now, fifty two forty seven would mean that, of course you'd end up with a majority LNP government, but it's not going to be particularly large.

Speaker 2

One.

Speaker 1

People have told me that they have to basically be at fifty five to forty five for them to actually really blast past that majority point.

Speaker 2

And if you actually and if.

Speaker 1

You have a look at that, but we can compare to the next slide hopefully that I've got for you here, well it will show you that, yeah, that there has been a change. Will maybe go without the slides because forgive me, I've sent those in a very hurried fashion to our production team. But at the start of the campaign it was fifty five to forty five. At the end of the campaign it is fifty two to forty seven. Okay,

the preferred premiere. I don't have a comparison number, but it is currently Stephen Miles forty five to crucif Fooley's forty two.

Speaker 2

That's changed.

Speaker 1

During the campaign for Steven Miles going in, there were forty eight percent of Queenslanders who were dissatisfied with his performance. Sorry, that higher number was fifty one. It is now forty eight. The number four David Cruci Foley was thirty seven, compared thirty seven to satisfied to forty nine dissatisfied.

Speaker 2

That has now become.

Speaker 1

Forty six percent to forty three percent, with more people dissatisfied than satisfied. And as for the overall primary vote, at the start of the campaign, LABOR on thirty percent, the LMP at forty two.

Speaker 2

At the end of the.

Speaker 1

Campaign Labor on thirty three, the LMP on forty two. Stephen a lot of numbers, but it clearly shows that Labor did.

Speaker 2

Make ground during the campaign. What do you think?

Speaker 17

Yeah, look, I think that Stephen has absolutely shocks certainly you Paul by demonstrating that he's a good campaigner. I think he's won the campaign so far. I don't think he's winning it in no, I think he's shameless. The lineup anywhere wrong.

Speaker 1

I think he's shameless, and I think he's spent and look and he's and he's played some pretty low cards like the abortion one. Here we've got the debut leader of the LMP standing by.

Speaker 17

I think the levels have played that one on them.

Speaker 1

Yeah, okay, Bromwin, give me the thirty second version of what you think of the polling here, which clearly shows LNP is still in front, LMP is still in an election winning position, but they have come back during the campaign I.

Speaker 4

Think this that the LNP should win, but I put this a second caveat for the night that I do remember mister Borbidge said that when he lost, he still got fifty four percent of the vote. There is a conventional wisdom about Queensland that the Conservative side needs to have something like fifty five fifty six to be absolutely rock solid. But equally there are the Catter Party and One Nation and I think that one way or another there'll be exchange of government.

Speaker 1

My view is and again I look forward to this being played at some certain point in time. Best case scenario for the LMP is going to be fifteen seats to win. They need twelve. I wouldn't be if there is a chance of them falling below the twelve but still having more than labor and them becoming the next government. Thank you guys, do appreciate it. Let's talk to the

Deputy leader of the LMP next. As the breaking news shows that the polls they always get tighter, but there has been some substantial movement, including.

Speaker 2

On the priority of issues.

Speaker 1

I'll tell you what has now finally become the number one issue of the campaign for in a sect. Jared blay Is of course the deputy leader of the LMP. In a couple of days time he may will be the debut Premier of the great State of queens And he joins us now from beautiful Bunderberg. You heard the breaking news in and around that pole, so forgive me. We don't have as much time as I expected tonight to talk. But what is your feeling going into the night.

Do you have an expectation of a clear majority or given the abortion lie and other issues, we might be talking about a much closer result than anyone was thinking.

Speaker 10

Well, Hi Paul, and welcome from Bunderberg. Great to be in regional Queensland. Look, we always knew it was going to be tough and we don't have the Union movement. We knew the Labour Party was so desperate they were going to have the fear of the scare mongering, and we've seen that in the campaigns. They have spent millions

of dollars lying to Queenslanders. But the real reality is this, And I've just been on a from Far North Queensland last two days, Far North Queensland, North Queensland, Central Queensland, in Bunderberg now heading south and there's a real sense in the community for a fresh start. People do I

think want to change the government. You'll imagine if we wake up Sunday morning and Steven Miles is re elected as the Premier and you're going to have two billion dollars on school lunches, Steve O, the sparky Steve O the service owner, Doctor Giggles running GP clinics and then doctor Giggles Stephen Miles being the touch shop convener. Like it's scary but believable. And that's It's always going to

be a tough election. We've said that from the outset and that's why we just need to encourage people, no matter where they are in Queensland to get out vote one LMP for change, for a fresh start, all right?

Speaker 1

In terms of issues number one issue according to this pole fifty one percent cost of living, twenty percent crime, ten percent health and hospitals.

Speaker 2

Does that make the case for.

Speaker 1

Change or if the numbers are like that about cost of living the bloke with the sort of t shirt canon of cash, is that going to throw a wrench into what we all thought was to be a referendum on the performance of the government.

Speaker 10

Well, certainly in regional Queensland. At the polling booths I've been to in the recent few days and looking forward to Bunderberg tomorrow, certainly crime and cost of living is still the two biggest issues people are coming in and talking to our candidates about. Now. It doesn't surprise me. Costs of living crime is still they have been the

two biggest issues during this election campaign. But the real question is to people think they're going to get cost of living relief by Steven Miles making sandwiches in touch shops at every primary school in Queensland. It's over two billion dollars and ultimately Queenslanders will pay, and they're going

to pay by bigger labor taxes. The only way the Labour part if they get re elected, can pay for all these billions of dollars of promises of owning service stations, retail energy outlets and Sager's tuch shops in primary schools is biggert labor taxes and Labor Party aren't telling Queenslanders that's how they're going to fund these after the election

if they get re elected. So unfortunately Queenslanders need to know that that if they re elect the Labor government, they're going to see bigger labor taxes because of all these promises that Stephen Miles has made. And it's like Oprah Winfrey Show, everyone gets a car, you get a car, you get a car. Everybody knows there's no such thing as a free lunch under the Labor Party. And I just hope they see that and vote for change, vote for a fresh start.

Speaker 2

On Saturday.

Speaker 1

I'm confident you got to think about the entire four years, not the past four weeks, not the tricks, not the rest of it when it comes to hospitals, crime, all the rest of it, all of this for the weekend. I'll see you as part of things on Saturday night. We'll talk again next week. Thank you, Jared, Thanks Paul, thank you.

Speaker 2

That's Jared in Bundy.

Speaker 1

I'm here in Brucebane and I look forward to being part of the election night coverage on Saturday night, stand by for the late debate.

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