From the skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray live. You know, mate, Now, if you want to stay humble, get a job on the tell somebody who works in another part of the overall broadcast business in which we're in here. I was bumping into them today. Hi, how are you grave? This is my friend, introduced the friend. The friend says, oh are you Paul Murris? Yes, well I just saw your photo in the foyer. Very photoshopped. Yeah, I know. We just don't tell anyone, right, I see it in the
mirror every day. But Joey, here's the posters get touched up. That's the way it works. Thanks for watching tonight. Let's get to this evening including let's talk about vaping for a second, because something massive happened today. Huge news today is that this federal government of Courses wave their finger and or it's a terrible thing and nobody should be vaping and anyone who vapes bat smoking smoking. You've heard this how many times? This is an example of them
waving the finger. The vaping situation in Australia is an absolute crisis.
Nine out of ten vaping stores are deliberately located within walking distance of our schools. It is now the number one behavioral issue in our schools.
We know there's a lot of pollution because of vaping. My team's thrown that in. I hadn't said that. That's hilarious. And as a result of this new threat, that was the new moral outrage. Sure, let's legalize possession in the Act for cocaine and for ice and heroin. But you're vaping, oh dear goodness. So the government said we're banning right. It won't be available anywhere to buy. The only way to get it is if you go to your doctor first, and even then it'll be hard to get a prescription.
We have legislation before the Parliament today which will be debated in the Senate when we go back to camera in a couple of weeks, that seeks to ban the sale and the supply of these products that are so obviously targeted to the youngest members of our community.
It's why we're working to stamp out vaping. So it'll be banned. We will get rid of this scourch. Not really, you see, for the thing to become the rule, it has to become a law. For it to make its way through the parliament. They need the support of the Greens. So guess what God announced today, and hoping that you would be distracted by every other thing in the world other than this thing that is going to make vaping just as normal as it is right now. Instead, it'll
actually become fully legalized. Today, the Health Minister pushes out a little statement, hoping nobody's going to notice. But what now is going to happen is that vapes will now be sold at your local chemist. Seriously, they're not banning it. You will need a doctor prescription, but only until October. And then in October you, if you're over eighteen, will be able to go in and just like the cold and flu stuff, you go into your local chemist and
you buy the vape from them. Seriously, now, whether this is a forerunner of how they're going to go when it comes to the sale of tobacco, we'll all wait and see together. But the idea that the chemist is the place where you are now going to be able to go and get your vapes amazing. Now, let's have a look again a part of this story that popped
up today. The changes were pushed by the Greens, which will make nicotine only vapes, say pharmacist products, and none of the flavors of the apple this and the orange at and you know, citrus fun time or whatever the heck it is that they do. And this is now going to work basically exactly the same way about your hardcore cold and flu. People will first have to talk to a pharmacist who will give them information on health harms and alternatives for quitting smoking. You have to then
prove that you're over the age of eighteen. But that's it now. I don't know exactly what the rules are here about under what circumstances The chemist says no, but we continue. There will be limitations on the nicotine content, and vase will only available in menthol mint or tobacco flavor. Under eighteens will of course be unable to access it unless they have a script. I'm not entirely sure which doctor is handing out to seventeen sixteen year olds the
prescription to vape. But something very big changed today. If you thought the weirdest thing that was available that is counter to the concept of your health was chocolate bars at your local chemist, get ready for vapes now? Is it a better more regulated system than frankly, what is currently a black market that is openly operating in defiance
of the rule. But what a change. These were the people who were out and about telling us, oh, we've hired a number of inspectors that are going tobacconist to tobacconists and double checking what's available. Well, now you will be able to purchase a vape with the doctor's permission, and then in October you've just got to turn up with your driver's license schedule, quick little lecture. But they, as I can see, it won't be able to say no, sorry,
you've ordered it too many times. And of course the reality is is that if you have got it too many times from this place, they'll go somewhere else, somewhere else, somewhere else. Can you buy one? Can you buy three? Who knows? Amazingly, there are people who support the idea that the best place for a tobacco replacement is the chemist,
and it isn't the chemists. The Pharmacy Guild's been blowing up this afternoon saying, ang on, why don't we have to get involved in this, and obviously that also increases Let's be honest, the potential thefts that may well happen from places that are not as well guarded. Now, pharmacies generally speaking and got ways of shutting things down, but people literally break into tobacconists to get these type of products.
Have a look at this. The Senate's expectation is that the community pharmacies become vape retailers and vape garbage collectors. Is insulting. That's what the Pharmacy Guild says. Everyone wants to keep illegal vapes out of the kids of hands of kids and teenagers, but the Senate wants pharmacists to stop vapes next to children's panadol, cold and flu medicine and emergency contraception. Now, for what it's worth, you know that I'm not going to pretend to be or hire
the Mighty on this. You know what I do with my spare time when it comes to cigars terrible, awful, shortening man life, no question. So I don't have a problem with adults doing what they want to do to their body, as long as it doesn't end up injuring other people. But what an insight into the potential future for our country is the place that you will get your vapes is the chemist. Maybe tobacco your chemist and then in places with much more liberal drug laws, what
other things will your chemist eventually end up stocking. Now this is a good idea because the band clearly was not going to work, but it is a very bad idea in terms of the way it's going to be implemented. Now, this is because the Greens and Labor got together. The Greens know that younger voters are the ones who are using these products, so they don't want to be part of a band, so they're going for a bit of
harm minimization. But mark my words, it is the trojan horse for how things that have nothing to do with your health will end up being distributed in Australia watch this space. And as for the poor chemists who are now in a position where they don't want to stock it, they're going to have to stock it and they're going to have to sell it. Olbo's Australia well done. Now, before we get to Matt Keenan, sure I've got plenty to say about that. There was a major business that
has fallen apart today. It is the construction side of the Apollo Kitchens group. Now this is an area that is based out of New South Wales, but it is a joint that has well employed an awful lot of people over the years. Today we learn everyone is gone, the company's collapsed, twenty three million dollar company gone, see you later. All of that is the reality of Australia, and as more people lose their jobs, this is the reality you expect. You've got a job on Friday, it's
all gone by Monday. The organization that you work for completely could put see you later. This is also at a period of time when I've told you how many times that more than nine minion Australians have got less than one thousand dollars in savings. In fact, it's about two hundred and fifty dollars that most of those people have in the bank. So it's four fifty bugger rule.
So at a scenario where people are worried about their job and they don't have any money in the bank, It's why I spend so much time on the show talking about other people's money, that being your and my money, that being the great tax payers of Australia's money, how is it spent? You've seen a couple of examples today that well, they'd break you if you were't a stronger person.
But we will not break. Now this government is going to spend, after last year, four hundred and fifty million dollars on a yes no question that they successfully argued from sixty forty yes to sixty forty. Hell no, They're going to spend four hundred fifty million dollars and not one, but two brand new jets Yes, ordered by the previous government, but not canceled by this government. Therefore this government's problem. So they can fly around in brand new luxury jets.
They might even take two of them, like they did in recent clean energy announcements when they went to places like the Hunter Valley. Last week. We focused a lot on the idea that it wasn't just the first. The third pay rise for politicians has taken place since the last election. PM now being paid six hundred thousand dollars,
the third pay rise since that election. As I say, the abanez A government, also, after spending what nine hundred million dollars on planes and referendums, is also spending forty million dollars flogging two little, too late tax cuts. You know why they're too little, You know why they're too late, and you know it's all about trying to help the Labor Party, not help the people of Australia. Well, as
you may have heard by now. But if this is your first chance, I hope you're sitting down because the Prime Minister is picking one of his mates to become the next Governor General. Now this is hardcore lefty female business activist. Finefair enough, that's the decision. I think there are better options out there. But still, this Governor General, however, is going to go from being paid less than the Prime minister to way more than the Prime minister at
two hundred and fourteen one thousand dollars pay rise. Nothing has changed in the job. It's the same job with all the same perks, but the salary goes from four hundred and ninety five thousand dollars under the current Governor General to the next Governor General, Suzanne Moston at seven hundred and nine thousand dollars. Prime minister is paid six hundred grand. The Prime Minister has paid more than the United States President, and now the Governor General is paid
more than the Prime Minister. And by the way, it's not like they've got to spend the money on anything. It's not like they're paying the power bill it's not like they've got to keep the internet connected, because of course they have not one but two mansions. Of course, the one in Canberra Government House, where of course most famously a prime minister will roll in asking for an election,
they get an election. Or of course there's the one next door to the Prime Minister's place in Sydney, which hasn't even better view of the Harbor Bridge when it
comes to the fireworks. So you've got money going out the door on a government trying to literally keep itself a little more comfy in the bot bot when they go on a plane, or when they try to buy their place in history, or when they try to buy your vote telling you that thirty something bucks a week is enough to change your life because of two little too late tax cuts. Well, guess what. There's another example of other people's money and the disgraceful waste of it.
And it's across both political parties. But it is the forever part of our system. It's the bureaucracy. Now, remember all of these pay rises that people understandably blow up about, and rightly so about politicians. All of this stuff happens for the top end of the public service and they've got all the same travel experiences, so they tell you uphill and down Dale, we're going to take care of you.
But guess what, Treasury loves a party, the bureaucrats who helped put together the budget that, in this case was announced by Grim Jim formerly Josh Friedenberg. How's this for a story today? That came out from the Audit Office. Tens of thousands of dollars spent by Treasury on food, alcohol and venues for its Budget Night functions breached probity laws and internal policies. So they broke the law. Will anyone be held accountable? Of course, it's a thing that
broke the law. No, people who make the decisions around the thing. An investigation by the Order Office found that Treasury spent thirty four thousand dollars on four budget events two we're in twenty twenty two, the first under Fredenberg, the second under the mini budget of Charmers that total nine six hundred and thirty dollars. Part of a long standing tradition on Budget Night colloquially dubbed the budget binge, by staff to help celebrate a busy period of budget preparation.
You mean doing their job, so doing their job means they turn around and take your tax dollars and pittle it up against the wall on parties for themselves that are illegal. There's more. Two other events and functions which were hosted a Parliament, House and Budget Night authorized by the Treasurer's offers to thank officials broke the law because
they were not properly authorized. Now if they are spending what thirty four grand on parties for themselves that are not compliant and no one is held responsible, what do you think the tax office would do if you broke the law with your tax return and you misspent thirty four thousand dollars, you reckon, You're going to get a pass. Of course, not that come down on you like a ton of bricks. But because it's not people making the decisions, it's the entity that made the mistake once, twice, three
four times. Nothing. No one held responsible other people's money. The politicians are blind to where it comes from. The people who draw up the budgets which are always wrong. They too spend like well drunken tax and Treasury people. Now wonder people get frustrated, and we voice that frustration for you each and every night. But I bet that's literally the first time today you even heard about that story.
That story is worth a little follow up. But of course, because it's both sides of politics, there will be no questions asked of anyone in the Parliament tomorrow. Instead, Yeah, I know we got caught. Does anyone pay a fight? No? Is anyone going to lose? No? Just do it quite a next year feeding all right, Matt kin, let's get to it now. Matt Kean has finally lived out his true purpose, which is to be part of Olbow's team,
part of the left wing team. He was a lefty liberal who was a liberal who of course covered himself in no glory with the way that he ran the energy system in New South Wales. His most famous quote, of course, was the people should think twice about turning on their dishwashers because you know, we're rationing power as if it was the Blitz. But of course, because he's a renewable energy zealot, because he's part of the clean
energy future, he's beloved by all of the people. The love he's on Channel two and Turnbull times and Turnal himself all the rest of it, right, so he can do whatever he wants. But doesn't it stink the high Heaven that he is still a member of the Nissobais Parliament yet today, of course, gets a brand new job with the federal government. Now, remember, not even a week ago this bloke resigned from politics in New South Wales.
He by the way, is still technically an MP because the Speaker has not formally accepted his resignation, so he's still being paid to be an MP in New South Wales. Now, I told you at the time there was something just weird about the timing which was done on the budget day and some of the reasons about why he was jumping away. Firstly, the reason he was leaving New South Wales politics and cause a by election in his allegedly beloved Hornsby, I.
Won't be running for federal parliament. I intend on pursuing a career in the private sector.
So could you just run that again. He's leaving the parliament and the taxpayer purse because he's going into a government job or a private job. Roll it again.
I won't be running for federal parliament. I intend on pursuing a career in the private sector.
Okay, So that was last Tuesday. He also said this about how long he's been considering this jump to the private sector, so presumably there was a job for him to go to.
I've been thinking about this for some time.
Well, guess what, it turns out the job that he was on his way to was announced today that he's now going to be in charge of the climate change organization that, of course you and I funds, they helped push a lot of money around, They help set a lot of policy. But isn't this magical. His job in the private sector is a job working for the Labor Party and the federal government. Now let's be very clear here.
This is a big change from what he said just a few days ago, which means potentially the whole process of him getting this job is one we probably should spend a couple of minutes talking about. Now, let me explain the current chair that he is about to replace. Is this bloke. His name is Grant King. Now, Grant King was also announced today as having a new job, which is to be the chairman of Transgrid, which is the organization in New South Wales that in many ways
is in charge of things like poles and wires. So I've got a few questions that we will spend the next couple of nights trying to work out because Matt Kean was leaving politics for the private sector. But now he has dropped the private sector and got a job with the federal government in less than a week. So here's my questions that I have. And if it all is above board, then okay. But when did the government know that the current chair of the Climate Authority was leaving?
Did the government interview any other candidates to replace him on the assumption that he was off to another job to be announced today, So last week they knew he was going, and presumably they knew where he was going, so there was a vacant spot and they were trying to find out who would fill it. Did they interview anyone else? Did the government pick up the phone and approach Keen or did Keen approach them? What happened in the last week apparently? Now, if the government did approach him,
when did they first approach him? Because if they approached him one minute before he announced his resignation from politics that apparently been thinking about for a long time, and that apparently he was going into the private sector, then there's going to be a problem inducing somebody to leave the parliament. Not a good thing to do. This has got people into a lot of trouble with corruption commissions before. Because I don't know, I can't make and make no inference.
But that's a question that somebody somewhere and Canberra Columbo's we know if they decide they will hunt down every one of these questions, or because he's a lovey, we'll just let it go, wait for something else to replace. And finally, if they can't answer all of those, will the government please send the details of how this appointment came about to the National Corruption Commission, because that, in part is supposedly the reason why this thing was put
in place. Why did governments make decisions? How do they make decisions? Because if you and I are to believe that the chair existing chair leaving gets a new job and they had no replacement prior to Matt Keane announcing his retirement from Nwsabel's politics to go into the private sector.
Play it for the third time. I want everyone to see and everyone to know, and don't in the next couple of days there'll be some little friendly piece in the turbul Times or something trying to push away the dots. Remember his reason for leaving state politics less than one week ago was to go into a job.
I won't be running for federal parliament. I intend on pursuing a career in the private sector.
But the job he gets is in the federal government. And they're so proud of it that they don't just put it out of the press release. They do the full Prime ministeri or courtyard short of state visit for the Chinese where they go and inspect the guards. This is about as high profile as you can get. It's the same place where the Prime Minister calls elections, it's the same place where the Prime Minister appoints governor generals. So they were very proud of this one. Now we're
supposed to believe that everything was above board. There was an empty seat Captain's pick. This wonderful candidate appeared, so they nabbed in and jumped Canberra Colombo's in the press gallery. Anyone want to follow up, anyone who does all of
the interviews going to follow up at all? Why do I think there's something odd at the very best about the timing here, because this government has form, despite the fact that, of course most of the media and have never talked about a scandal involving the Trade Minister Don Farrell. Now remember these were the no jobs for the boys. We're going to change everything. The last mob was terrible, when of course this is bad as bad as it gets in terms of jobs for the boys. You see
Don Farrell trade ministers. He gets to decide people who represent him in the trade portfolio in different parts of the world. There was a job which is on offer to a trade envoy in San Francisco in California. This lady had already been somebody who applied for the job, was qualified for the job and was referred to as the preferred candidate, but she didn't get the job. Instead, a one term senator and factional mate of Don Farrell ended up getting the job. The Australian followed the story.
They can reveal that Kristen Thompson, the head of America's Investment Desk at the Australian Trade and Investment Commission known as OSTRADE, was the quote preferred candidate for the job. However, Senator Farrell's office dumped the recruitment process after it was completed and picked the old mate in place of the lady who had qualified for the job. And here's the
sentence that still rings in my ears. Mister Kenner, a Labour staffer since losing his Senate spot in twenty nineteen, has no experience in trade investment and did not apply for the job. That's why I've got some questions about the Matt Kan thing, because this government had an empty spot, had a process that produced a preferred candidate, only to completely ignore it and put in their own staffer who was a factional mate and was an ex senator for
one term, who didn't even apply for the job. Canberra Colombo's press gallery again. We know that you will find the truffles in the dirt if you want to. We know you can become very forensic if you choose any plan to follow up on those questions. Let's go back to the questions, because they are the ones we will seek to answer in the next couple of days. I repeat, when did the government know the current chair was leaving? Did the government interview any other candidates? Did the government
approach Keen or did Kean approach them? If the government approached him, when did they first approach him? And are you willing to send all of this off at the Corruption Commission to tell us that, unlike the dodgy dealing in the trade portfolio, that all of this is actually above board and the right person's got the job. Oh, it's only other people's money. They're just angry about it on Sky News because they hate Matt Kean. No. I just think this is red hot. It feels red hot,
and it smells red hot. Will it be? Let's all learn together. But as for again that Matt Kean appointment, as you know our dear friend j. Hildebrand, he'll find any way of saying the government's doing the right thing. Well today he's gone about as hard as you possibly can say. No, this is a terrible idea. Wrote a great column today. It's up on the Telegraph's website. The appointment of Matt Kean to the Abaneze government's new climate Zar has all the hallmarks about being about of self harm.
A better move would have been to a point a more mainstream, non partisan figure who would bolster the authority's credibility among cynics rather than true believers. Halla freaking Lujah. Let's see if the Canbra Columbos can pick up the magnifying glass or whether they will just let the trail go cold because it's their side of politics that they back. In now mixed bag of opinion polls about nuclear power, do my best often mispronounced thank you for all of
the emails. Well, of course Peter Dutton has put it to front and center. It is going to be a major fight between now and the next election, and in fact the first question time since it was all formally announced. And remember six of the seven sites are going to be inside coalition electorates. This was the blow up and the scare campaigns in question time. The economics of nuclear do not stack up.
The Leader of the Opposition's view on nuclears is risky extremism at its worst, and that's why it's falling down all around here, mister speaker.
The question for the Leader of the Opposition is how does a big bill lead to cheaper energy? Has ever release that this is bigger? He's got the most expensive form of energy available. They think they know better than the CSIRO, but they won't release their costs.
The critical issue here is that what they are proposing is economic insanity.
Absolutely, but interestingly, a Penny dudn't had a question that gets right to the heart of what we've been talking about the CSIRO. You know the economic models of the CSORO. But still they're a trusted institution because they invented wi FI all the rest of it.
Right.
I love the CSIIRO, but I don't turn to them for costings on anything. They are a scientific organization. Now, remember twenty seventeen they said the full roll out of renewables one tea for trillion dollars. The current cost of the complete removal of what worked to the system that this government wants half a trillion dollars, five hundred billion dollars. How much is the transformation that Peter Dutton's talking about. Well, it's less than half a trillion dollars, So let's put
some numbers on the table. Here was the government being asked a rather direct question by the alternative Prime Today prom Minister, what is the total cost of the government's energy plan and what will the capacity investment scheme cost tax payers? But guess what the answer was, Ah, no responsibility, No responsibility. Well you've got to hand it to the
leader of the opposition. At a time when the rest of us are working to get power bills down, he's picked the one option guaranteed to Priss power prices up? What Chris power price is up? Ha ha? Or answer the question your call siron. Meantime, that polling which I said was mixed. First, let's go to the Daily Telegraph, was repeated, of course in the Courier Mail, there, Old Sun,
the TiSER, the Mercury, and plenty of other places. Six in ten Australians say that they support nuclear energy as part of the nation's energy mixer, boosts of the opposition leader and his wont to build seven power plants, six of them in his own electorates. Of course that's me adding the detail by twenty to fifty in every location
except Melbourne. What a surprise. There was a majority support for the Australian nuclear energy industry, but this backing fell away someone once you started to get specific and said well what if it was going to be in your region. Meantime, financial review they showed this one here outright support for nuclears at forty percent. Now that is lower than the number that was in the Resolve poll yesterday. Now why do people oppose it? They oppose it because it is
economically unfeasible. That's the elbow argument. That's eighteen percent four percent of people or actually less than four percent of people are worried about the waste. Other people say they should focus on renewables. That's four percent, and they opposed because of one or more of the above. Twenty nine percent, six percent unsure. So let's always use the rule about undecideds that half of them go yes, half of them go no. That's still not enough to get to fifty.
Hence why the polling would be good for those that are arguing against it. Right now, remember, we try to show you the facts here. We don't just tell you the opinion we have it, but we try to show you the data. I'm not just going to spoon feed you all of the stuff that sells one side of the story. That's a pole that shows that the hill is still there to climb, but there's not as many
undecideds as there are in other poles. Meantime, what reads an awful lot like some political advice to the Labor Party comes today via Old antipk in the ABC's website. Of course, patriciavellis breakfast host there on Radio National. Forget the three eyed blinky bill. We should focus the nuclear debate on what real voters, particularly women, are telling us who should be focusing the debate, We should focus the debate? What side is she speaking on? The behalf of oh
of course commentary? Oh but I don't write the headline. Okay, men don't mind nuclear when asked about their future, fifty one percent say yes. But women are worried only nineteen percent, so they supported forty percent. So they're expressing an opposition. This is an article that is a repeat of an article, same website, but a different person this time Annabel Krab saying Peter Dunnan is a true believer or nuclear as the answer to Australia's energy problems. But I need to
convince the voting public. Inside that voting public is a whole bunch of data that she serves up among others that, of course say, it's all about gender, and there's a great difference when it comes to gender. You know, Pedda Dutton, ugaboogirl bad, all the rest of it. The Stradia's version of Trump. In the meantime, let's talk about the American version of Trump, who is about to go to debate
Joe Biden. It'll be so Friday. You can watch at eleven o'clock here on sky News also myself and the wonderful, amazing Persian Princess, my dear friend, my beautiful buddy, none other than the wonderful reader Panehy and I will also be watching the debate and you will see some highlights of our sort of funny take on it all at sky news dot com that are you in the afternoon, and you'll see highlights on her show as well on Friday night. Now, let's have a look at the different
approaches that they are taking to this debate. Now, Biden is being fed the information via some debate prep where he is going behind closed door and he's role playing and working out what answers to give Donald Trump not really interested in doing his homework. He thinks that he can wing it. Now that didn't really work in twenty twenty, if we're honest, remember that train crash. Well, he thinks he'll be able to off the top of his head, I'm a genius, I know mit all the rest of it,
that he will end up in a good place. Well, we learn today via Politico, which is a hardcore insider's news website in Washington, about the two different styles that are taking place, and Trump's really happy he's not studying. In fact, he is kind of wailing on the nerd here right now, Kroker Joe's going to a lark cabin to study. Prepare, No, he's sleeping now. And as we brought you last night. But just in case you didn't see the Sunday show, he thinks they're going to fill
in full of stuff that isn't vitamins. So he has an energetic performance on Friday. So a little before it the big time, he gets a shut in the ass and that's they want to strengthen them up, so he comes out. He'll come out, okay, I say, he'll come out all jacked up, right. And while Biden's behind closed doors, his vice president is doing the well up selling. Let's turn this thing up to eleven, twelve thirteen. They're breaking
the knob on how important the election is. But it's not just Kamala Harris, it's her husband saying the world will end if you vote for Trump. We're going to win the selection. We have to win the selection. Literally, our country, our world depends on us winning a selection. That's that's what's going to happen. Man. That guy's about as exciting as that beach. I love America, but I'll take our beaches each and every time. Don't forget that special goggle box he sort of attempt from myself and
read it. It'll be at scottyus dot com dot you in the afternoon highlights. Of course, Friday night, the whole thing starts eleven am watching life here on Sky News. I think popping up with Laura Jayson, the lead up to it with James Morrow. So be here all day Friday. It'll be fun quick break back with more looking forward to this one. No sooks, no lefties, Bromwin, Bishop, Senator Matt Canavan, what do they think of Matt Kean and
so much more talk about it next. I am so excited to be speaking about our lovely friends here this Monday night. No sooks, no lefties, and they're very comfortable with that, and so you and so am I. None other than the wonderful brob and Bishop Cary out a champ as always. Let's bring a forward in the week to the Monday night, and none of them wonderful Senner Matt Canavan who joins us now for his sins in Canberra. Just what bout the fact it's a job he applied for.
But still, okay, the Matt Keane thing, Senator, let's start with you again. Look, I look, we are supposed to believe that he was leaving the parliament and announced it last Tuesday, he was going to the private sector, and then magically some planets are aligned and he now ends up with a job not in the private sector, which obviously presumably was more attractive than his salary in the parliament. Instead he ends up working for the Albanese government. What
do you think about this one? And are you looking forward to sended estimates getting into the details on this one.
Oh, look, it does smell we can all see that. But look, look, Paul, I'm actually excited. I'm excited by the appointment because this has completely destroyed any resembling any left integrity for the Climate Change Authority, so it'll be a lot easier for us to get rid of. We should abolish this organization. It's a complete waste of time.
There are a lot of these organizations that have grown like Topsy here in Canberra, and we do need to have a strong agenda here to rid the bureaucracy from this town and get it off the backs of Australian businesses. So this is another useless organization. It costs seventeen million dollars a year of your money. And as I say, and there's hundreds of others like this that have populated Canberra. Even in the two years that this government's been in charge,
they've employed thirty thousand more public servants. It's costing seven billion dollars year extra and so we've got to cut that down to get that off the backs of people. So Matt Kin, look, he's one appointment, but there's lots of others that we should be looking at here to save you money and get our economy.
Movie. So his partners was going to be Joyce's take on him going from the Blue team to the Red team, even though we know he was never really on the Blue team. What's the aliens consistent is this guy is treacherous. That's what's consistent.
And of course in the past can now sit back and go he was never in our party.
He's way, we should have joined the Labor Party at the start when he left school. Now, Bromin, do you think that there is an issue here that somebody should pick up the magnifying glass and try and do a bit of Canber Columbo ing on all. The reality is that.
Of course there's but there are a couple of other things to say. I'm sure Albert would love to have appointed Malcolm Turnbull. But I've always said, of course that Malcolm Turnbull was the orgham grinder and Matt King was the monkey, and so they were pointed the monkey and has good riddance to bad rubbish as failure as I'm concerned. But I agree with you, Matt. I do think it
just strips away the credibility. I'd said early on before the state election that if Perrote lost, you could lay the blame at Matt Keane's feet because he showed no understanding of what the people need. So the questions that you were discussing in your editorial are very serious ones, and I think it's a logical way for people to start looking at it so well, again.
It will all be proven to be above board.
And I just suspect that, you know, this government seems to be so slap happy about the way they do things that look at the eyes and look at the t's correct.
All right, now, let's talk about again the pulling in a manucular and Senator, you put me right last week, because remember I was talking about this this and this and this demographic and this, and see what happens. You're saying, forget all that, don't overcomplicated, is that the right thing to do is the wrong thing to do. Some poles have come in showing that, you know, mid forties, some poles are showing low forties, some poles saying single digits
for undecided. The main poll coming out of the nine newspapers shows twenty two percent of people are undecided. Now, generally speaking, you would think if you're undecided, you can be one over to the argument. But what's your sense of week on from where we were in this conversation.
Well, look, I think most of this sort of polling is useless. Sorry, I mean, we waste a lot of time. But people don't vote or go in and vote and way up a laundry list of different items and sort of can't spit out a particular algorithm. They vote on who they think is on their side. So our challenge is to prove to people that what we focused on
is a cost of living target. We want to get your cost of living down, and a useless artificial arbitrary emissions target, and the governors showed themselves in the last few weeks that they are prioritizing the international agreements they have signed or we as a country have signed in Paris, that they have committed targets to. They are prioritizing that
over your cost of living. They are more wild. They seem to get more angry at Peter Dutton suggesting that it might not be in our nation's best interest to not meet these international targets that know other country's meeting than they do about the cost of living crisis facing Australian's families. I don't see the promise to getting angry about the shocking house prices and rents that young Australians
have to face right now. I don't see him getting angry about his mismanagement of our border and how many people he's led to this country. And I don't see him getting angry at the cost of living that we all face in the shops and petrol station everywhere we go. So that's our focus. That's what we've got if we focus on that and camprove to people that our nuclear policy, a gas policy, or housing policy at migration policy are all targeted at a cost of living target, then we'll
win their support. It won't be decided on individual line items that we've back.
So bronwin, I believe it or not. There are people of the leaft who watch the show and hate watching because they get a bit of information every now and then about some of the good ideas we have on the program. But I'm still going to give ask this question, how does the coalition move from here? How do they win the debate? How do they move the ball closer to fifty percent and then above fifty.
Well, I think the important way that Dutton is handling this is this this is a complicated idea, if you like, it's new to discussion, and so he's making sure that people can look at the arguments.
One by one.
And the first thing was to say, yes, we are going to have nuclear reactors and this is where they're going to be, because the big debate was always do you want it in your backyard or where's it going to be?
That was the big question.
So that question has been answered now, so people are now thinking about that what that means to the cost of living to people who were going to lose their jobs and those electorates, then we look at it being hooked into the question of cost of living. So it's making sure that people follow the debate step by step, and I think mister Dutton understands that very well and is doing it well. Now interestingly enough, it's going to
hit home now. I got my electricity bill yesterday. It's up two hundred dollars, despite the fact that I had renegotiated a contract which is supposed to be an eighteen percent discount. I spoke to somebody else who'd received a bill of fifteen hundred dollars, which was up from eight
hundred dollars. So there are going to be a lot of people who are going to be seeing their bills increase at a time when they're being told, oh, you're going to get seventy five dollars a quarter off, and really we promised you two hundred and seventy five off your original bill. They know that the statement that the government makes that wind power and solar power is the cheapest form of energy is just not true because you have to factor in how you get that.
Wind and solar along a line.
Generated into your home also, and that got a total cost has to be the cost and the cost of getting that infrastructure up is between one point three and one point five trillion.
Exactly, exactly, exactly right, not to mention all of the stuff to actually secure it, which of course is gas. Going to take a quick break because Matt nine in a second are going to explain how the Queensland government has been undermining the coal fire power stations that actually keep the lights on. Quick break back with more that vapes and a whole lot more if we've got time, hopefully I'll make the time a little bit of debate prep for the Donald. Want to see one of a
brober Bishop is here. The wonderful Matt Canavan is here as well. Matt, let's talk about a story today, going back to some power plant problems in Queensland. This is when you know they run the verge of blackouts because there's a fire inside a inside a power station. Well, guess who's been blamed for it today? The Queen's government. Help us explain.
Yes, Look, Paul, there was an explosion at the Calli coul fired power station a few years ago. It's been out ever since. Some of the units have been out ever since, and that has cost Australian businesses and families billions of dollars because that lack of colified power has clearly inflated the price from different times at different times, and the queens and Government have been fighting tooth and nail the public publication or against the publication of an
independent expert report about what caused that explosion. Finally, in the Federal Court given some other action taken by a private party, that report has been made public and it's clear we know now why the queensand Government has been fighting that. That report concludes that the explosion occurred at least in part because of mismanagement or cost cutting by
the Queensland government. And I think the question now has to be raised, are they starving coal fired power stations of needed maintenance because obviously have they don't like coal and got a stated policy to walk away from coal fire power. Were their political positions influencing the budgets they were giving to cold fire power stations and therefore putting workers' rights at risk? I mean, I should say people, I've visited the POWERstation just after only a few months after
the explosion. It wasn't just a fire. That this was a terrible event. Chunks of metal were sent hundreds of meters through the sky through a shed, right through a shed and continue to fly into a car park. It was a miracle no one was heard or injured. And there's a lot of questions. Now the Queens of Government has an answer. I should also say that the while the explosion wasn't caused by hydrogen, the lack of temperature control ignited hydrogen, according to this report, at least and
caused then that led to this massive explosion. And you know we're constantly told or the labor the government wants to future of their power.
Is the answer, Well, that's right.
I mean, if you think nuclear it's unsafe, way to you hear about hydrogen.
I thook.
I think we can manage these risks as a modern economy, but hydrogen is highly explosive, hard to contain, and the garment's glibly is what We're going down this path and putting massive amounts of hydrogen bunkers in our major ports, and I don't think they're doing enough serious work about how to make sure the safety of workers and towns near that hydrogen are kept saying.
Let's sort with the vap's decision, because it is a rather significant reversal, which was ban ban baned, No, no, no, we're going to hire inspectors. Go around now it's after October. Just ask your pharmacist.
Look, I think it's quite shocking because this is the result of a deal with the Greens, and we know the Greens are pro drugs, and of course marijuana can be vaped, yes, And I dare say that by forcing it on pharmacists, they're trying to get it away from the tobacconists, where there is great evidence that there's been an involvement of drug cartels and it has got to the stage where I am told that if there's a tobacconist in a building, particularly in Melbourne, that the building
may not be ensured because of the bombings and so on. So this is criminality involved in voping and to put that into pharmacies which are trusted.
Is just appalling. Well and a point in time where is a kid you turn around and go hang on the same place that I'm supposed to get the drugs to keep me healthy they sell told the past that doesn't make sense. Now it's going to be the place to go and get your alternative to smoke.
It's absurd. It's absurd. It's absurd.
It's a plot.
I think, I really do. I just think that there is in this deal because the Greens are involved in.
It, because of horses.
It's a trojan horse. Yes, that they want drugs to be sold through pharmacists.
To me, yeah, I mean again, look whether this becomes the like, should there ever be a point in time when certain things become legalized? Is this the way that you control the system.
Well, I think we need a legal, regulated market. Problems right about what's happening in stores around the country, but that's because we've created a black market. I think consenting adults should be able to vape if they so choose. The key thing is to keep it out of kid's hands, keep it out of schools, and we had create a legal, regulated environment where that can happen without criminal gangs. But
the government's approaches failed. Their prescription model they had in they were going to introduce is now not going to be introduced. In fact, it's apparently going to be introduced for three months and then they're going to switch to this Greens model in pharmacies. It's a complete notother joke and a mess. They should start again here and get this right from the get go.
Yeah, I'm going to Melbourne on the weekend. I'll be speaking to the Drug Advisory Council of Australia, which is a very important group which is fighting against illicit drugs becoming mainstream in Australian communities. They do a very good job and I know there'll be discussion about this issue.
Well, I look forward to that chat when we come back this time next week. I do appreciate it. Thank you so much, Brobmin And by the way, of course, problem was very kind. She which she was meant to be at some fancy performance tonight. What was the name of this Yale singing group that you.
I did it earlier today. Yes, and pops the withff and poofs from Yale University.
Matt, I know those, so they're great. You know that we've got them on our Spotify.
It's an archipelago, yes group and Harvard have the crocodilos and yeah, I'll have the Wiffan pools.
There you go and imagine that and it's singing at ten paces. Thank you to appreciate it. Thank you, Senator former Senator Ah so good to talk each and every night. We'll see you again tomorrow night for another edition of Paul Murray Live. Remember you can west them an email Paul at sky news dot com dot au. We've got a full house for our obi on Sunday, the Ourtown program which were very much looking forward to, but the Late Debate. It begins right now on Sky News
