From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray.
Live Good evening, nine o'clock on the East coast of Australia. It is as we speak, when the sun starts to rise in Washington, DC, when we will start to hear again from the President of the United States, who has had plenty to say on his social media platforms, as well as a lot of action which is happening in and around the Middle East where it is two o'clock right now in Israel, where bombs from Iran have been landing. Despite the Iron Dome, some have made it through. Some
of the explosions pretty significant thankfully. As we discussed last on on the program, adequate warning means most people end up in a bomb shelter. Let's focus on Iran, though, because there is a fair bit happening there right now. In fact, in the past hour there has been major operations and I'll tell you some of the targets that have been hit. The local time there is one thirty
in the afternoon. We've also got an idea of what is happening in Europe with the bosses of the International Tomic Energy Authority, those people on the behalf of the United nations have actually got some indication about what damage has been done in the past couple of days. We'll get to that in a moment or two's time. And the Iranians a meeting in Moscow hoping for some help from Vladimir Putin, a former Russian prime minister and Russian president, has actually had putting you to say on top of
what might come out of that conversation. So let me bring you up to date. A lot has happened even in the past couple of hours. Now, put simply, the reason I tell you all of those times is primetime on Sky News, and certainly towards this time of primetime is when you're going to start to hear stuff out of the United States. We seem to be right at the height of when things happen during the daytime in the Middle East, and as I said, you can start
to look your way around the globe. So regardless of what you may hear in the morning, which would be a form of an update, if you are interested in following every little move of this thing, make sure you're checking in with Sky News Primetime again at the top of each show. For the few days, I'll try to tell you what has happened in the past couple of hours, not just react to what has happened in the past twenty four hours. Okay, so let's get on with this.
So as we speak, the United Nations and via their Weapons Inspectors, are now starting to give us a little bit of an insight into how much damage was done by the American hit on Iran. Now, you know, the past twenty four to thirty six hours, there's been great claims made by the President of the United States and military officials that of the three different sites that they hit, there has been significant damage done to the Iranian nuclear operation.
The Iranian said that they because they feared that things were coming, some of these sites may well have been emptied out. So there's a lot of bluster, there's a lot of bs, there's a lot of sizzle, but there's also a lot of steak when it comes to this story. So again I'll try to explain things and try to keep an eye on lots of moving parts here. So let's have a look here at the announcement which was made by the essentially United Nations and their Weapons Inspectors.
And I'm going to take a little bit of time to play this for you. Because the three main sites, including of course the one that was underground and the two other sites, all hit within that extraordinary hour or so in the middle of the night, about between two and three am local time in Iran. Well, remember we had to wait a couple of days to find out
what the battle damage assessments were going to be. The Americans are expected to give us another insight into that, perhaps as early as the next couple of hours, but in a midpoint between the early announcements, the bluster that may will have come out of America about how decisive this is, well, what is actually happening and is there any fallout because obviously, if you're hitting enriched uranium, the possibility for poisons to make it end of the air
and wins to move it around local populations becomes an issue. But here's literally freeh of the press. What's just been said by the UN.
This time, No one, including the IEA, is in opposition to have fully assessed the underground damage at four Doux. Given the explosive payload utilized and the extreme vibration sensitive nature of centrifuges, very significant damage is to have occurred, is expected to have occurred at the Isfahan nuclear side, additional buildings were hit, with the US confirming their use of cruise missiles. Affected buildings include some related to the
uranium conversion process. Also at this site, entrances to tunnels used for the storage of enriched material appear to have been hit. At the Nathan's Enrichment site, the fuel enrichment plunt was hit, with the US confirming that it uced round penetraating munitions.
So at this stage there seems to be significant damage. Remember the President was saying that it was a bulls eye hear total annihilation. The Uranians have said, yes, thanks for the effort. There is some damage, but we may well have other facilities in other places. Again where the truth lies. It does take a couple of days to get there. And the reason we didn't show you last night, and I've held off showing you some of those satellite
images was because they simply weren't detailed enough. And again, I know there's a lot on social media. I know there's a lot on clickbait media, but we do our best to verify as much as possible to pull it all together for you at the end of the night, which we'll be doing for the next couple of days now. Also in the past hour, the Israeli Defense Forces have announced that they are stepping up the war against Iran and they are now starting to move from the military
targets to the regime targets. The regime targets put simply, are the government the capacity for the Iranian government to stay in place. The Israeli Defense Forces in the last hour have put out a statement saying that they have struck six regime airports across western, central, and eastern Iran. They've hit runways, underground hangars, refueling aircraft as well as
a series of jets. The destroyed aircraft were meant to stop the IAF jets put simply again, trying to push back against Israeli, United States any other jets that may well be moving into the area. The IAF impaired takeoff capabilities from these airports, as well as the Iranian military's ability to operate its air force from them. So remember, part of how we've got where we've gotten the past week is because the ability of Iran to launch anything
but and missile has been deeply knocked back. An idea of some of the places that have been hit as you can see multiple towards the west of the country or the left of your screen, we know around Tehran, but there's a little more detail about one of the things they've hit in the past hour, as well as the center of the country, and then of course to the east or the right hand side of your screen. Now, traditionally the further to the left of your screen, the
closer things are to Israel. Obviously the further away, the closer we start to get into other countries, including countries like Pakistan which do share much and some of the border here. One of the things that has been hit in the past hour is a prison. I understand that the prison is in central Tehran. Now, the plan was not to level the prison to kill the prisoners. Instead, the Israeli defense forces have released some footage in the past couple of minutes. Will turn that around for you
when we can. They've done is they're blown the doors off the prison because the prison is apparently where many political prisoners I enemies of the regime would be in place. Great work from our team have turned that around very quickly. Again, you can see the doors of a notorious prison where political prisoners are being held. Has been blown off by the Israelis. The Israelis, who for the past week have been focused on military targets, are now starting to move
towards what they referred to as regime targets. Now they are actively trying to weaken the Iranian government, the Iranian regime. They want a change in who is governing that country because of its obvious threat that has taken place over
decades towards Israel. The United States has said that they are not involved in the regime change like they were in Afghanistan with the Taliban, like they were with Saddam Hussein in Iraq, because the process of regime change, because it's not just about killing the leaders, it's the next level who want to be the leaders or the after decades, many many, many layers that exist that have been keeping the Iranian population down for decades. That process is one
that is going to take years. It's one that the Israelis have said that they are committed to doing, and we now start to see the beginning of the harder pivot towards that. All of that putting the pressure on the Iranian government. The theory being that more pressure on the Iranian government, the reduction in their ability to control their people means if the people want to there's an
opportunity for a revolution to remove those people. Now, a former royal family from decades ago that had ruled does have members of its family across Europe. One of them is expected to speak in the next little while. I wouldn't imagine around his plan to planning to go back to a monarchy anytime soon. But there are other voices with different alternatives as opposed to the people who are
running around as we speak. But what a couple of hours it has been, continues to be, and literally every time we get refresh on all of our sources here, there's more information to tell you. So of course we will pass all of that onto you as we go. How Iran reacts is a key question. It is, frankly the key question because as we've spoken about before, there's an awful lot of American troops, particularly in places like Kuwait, which are literally just the other side of a very
small waterway from Iran. The weapons that can travel all the way to Israel are not required. Obviously, you need far less intense in terms of ballistic missiles to be able to travel significant distances but any attack on US troops, well, that is the beginning of something very, very significant. The expectation is that the warnings from the United States is if you do one thing to one soldier, then you are going to pay a much bigger price than you
currently have. So there's all sorts of conversation about what they may well get involved with. Here's some of the potential conversations about how Iran could respond, not just going after American installations, but potentially everything to do from world trade to some terrible things which could involve terrorism.
They can go after US embassies and military outposts in the Middle East. They can try to go after oil installations throughout the Persian Gulf, block major trade routes like the trade of Homers. They could try to rain down more missiles on top of Israel. The problem they have is that many of these options are like the tactical equivalent of a suicide bombing. They can do a lot of damage to their adversaries, but they may not survive that blowback.
And also about the timing. Now we know that there was some speculation that the amount of enriched uranium was a key factor in when the United States decided to get involved as it has. Also the scaling up that Israel has been involved with for the past couple of weeks.
Also the timing of these things well, as you know, Donald Trump left the G seven meeting on day one what was supposed to be a two day meeting, and we're learning via American media tonight that there was a threat which Iran had made to the United States, which meant that was the reason the President left and started to move in the direction that ultimately resulted in Operation Midnight Hammer.
Just then that Iran directly threatened America.
Time today at NBC News has learned that message from Iran was conveyed the President Trump by an intermediary during last week's G seventh summit, warring the President if he launched air strikes against Iran's nuclear facilities, Iran could respond by unleashing terrorist attacks on the US by activating sleeper sells it has inside this country, according to US officials, all as we learn new details about those historic strikes.
So pretty extraordinary here that Iran openly saying that they would, and we know that they have got many a proxy Mini, a connection to al Kaider, to the whoth is to a whole collection of other groups that they may well have infiltrated the United States recently or over a long period of time, and an attack on the homeland in the United States, of course, the first significant attack since what happened in Pennsylvania, Washington, DC, and in New York
back on nine to eleven, two thousand and one, the best part of now twenty five years ago. Well, that was seemingly the key moment when things certainly turned against Iran from the United States, and the United States took
the action that it did. Now amazingly, there are people who are getting a pretty reasonable run in the Australian media who are trying to play orange Man, bad, orange Man, criminal, Orange Man brings us to the brink of World War III, not paying any attention whatsoever that the person that metaphorically the nation they were sitting opposite on the table were threatening terrorist attacks inside the United States, the one that is threatening to close down a third of the world's oil,
that moves by ship, one that still has always wanted a nuclear bomb in order to blow another country off the face of the map. Again, you can have a whole series of opinions about a whole series of things that have taken place over the past couple of years or many decades, but unbelievably. Jeffrey Robinson, of course, the left wing lawyer writing I believe from the United Kingdom but who knows, wrote today that Trump's rap sheet is
so long, but this may be his worst crime. Now again, I have my misgivings about how deep things have gone, particularly in places like Gaza, about what proportionality has been.
But as I've said, you have to be able to be able to see the multiple parts of all of this and to actually have a look at the scenario of why America got involved to do what they did to a country that threatened them directly or pretty obvious to me why the president had to act, but Orange Man bad all the rest of it here well, of course ludicrous. But the bit that's really worth talking about tonight and taking a couple of minutes to understand here is you would have thought by now and those of
us that have taken a cursory interest in the Middle East. Again, I do not pretend to be a Middle East expert. I like you and somebody who has just heard and seen the stories and seen many things over many decades, all right, We're going to try to talk to lots of people, lots of different perspectives. We know that there are diaspora of many any countries that are in this country.
We know that there are Lebanese, both Christian and Muslim people that are here who care about what has happened in a country that their family may will have been from, the same with Palestine, the same with the West Bank, the same which of course is part of as well as what's been taking place, and the Israelian Jewish community here as well as there is an Iranian diaspora in Australia. In fact, on the North Shore of Sydney is one
of the strongest of the Iranian communities here. And again for those that are half listening, and I just need to say this because there are bad actors who will try to misinterpret news coverage and when we discuss these things that nobody is talking about the citizens of any of these countries. It is about the governments of these countries.
Which brings us now to the fact that many of us have thought that if something like this had happened, that say Iran and Israel start to tension things up, then presumably it triggers another country, another country, another country, and there are more in the Arab nations that clearly had antagonistic, if not outright hostile opinions of Israel, and that we would be a lot further down a pretty difficult track. Frankly, that more war will have been broken out,
but for a lot of different reasons. Iran may well have some verbal support from some of its neighbors, but it's not getting any military support. So it is fascinating to see that the country that they have run off to is one that they signed a defense packed with only in January of this year, and that is Russia. The Foreign minister who was speaking last night giving the first major public response from Iran well has now appeared
in front of officials in Russia. Iran has little choice but to retaliate against the US as Russia faces an urgent decision now about how to back Tehran. Now. Unlike a scenario so say, like the ANSAs Treaty that if someone attacks America, Australia goes to help, and if someone attacks Australia, America comes to help. That's a written deal. The deal between Iran and Russia is a little looser.
It's to supply weapons. It's to supply some form of intelligence, but it is not If one of those nations is hit, then the other one automatically joins them and go to war against whoever attacked them. Instead, there is this ability for them to run and go and talk to the Russian officials. Now we are getting a little bit of tape out of the meeting. Cameras have been booted in the past half an hour or so. But of the introductory comments that you often see between the leaders, we
have no translation about the Russian side of things. But this is what the Iranians were saying to the people who they hope will come and help them. And when I tell you about some of the help that might be on offer. This is a very very very important meeting happening as we speak in Russia, a.
Close contact in terms of exchanging our opinion and advice with each other.
Also worth noting here is the Dimitry Medvedev, who was after the first run of Vladimir Putin as president, moved from essentially swapped and became the president of Russia very briefly, while Putin became the Prime Minister. He still is in and around the Upper echelons of the Russian government, and I hope you're sitting down because he has said that countries are now ready to supply Iran with nuclear weapons.
So if the entire point of the past couple of days has been about putting a run on the back foot, forcing them back towards their line in terms of coming up with their own weapons, a high ranking Russian official, as the Iranians are sitting down with the Russians, is openly talking publicly, releasing statements on social media in his own language, on his own account and are believed to be verified by international news organizations that don't worry about
waiting to build a bomb, will give you one. Now, if the idea here is that that automatically means that as soon as you have one of these things, then whoever is currently trying to knock over your government like Israel with the prisons, the military targets and the airports, but presumably the threat of the nuclear bomb would mean
that stops. But of course if there's any chance of one being transferred into the country, well we would imagine that any attempt in that transportation would be stopped at the very least by the Israeli, but most likely by the Americans. If that's a Russian bomb, then you understand how the stakes of this can get very quickly out of control. Now again, and I'm using lots of words, lots of caveats trying to say where things actually are is not about where they might go, but just what
people have said to this point. Okay, as for what that Russian ally had said, the former Russian president, can we put to the aea. Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, the deputy chairman of the Security Council of Russia so is still an active player, said on Sunday that President Donald Trump had pushed the US into another war and the countries are ready to directly supply Iran with their
own nucular warheads. Medvedev made the remarks on telegram outlining his views on what the Trump administration strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities would lead to moving forward again, the enrichment of nuclear material and now we can say it outright, the future production of nuclear weapons will continue. So firstly, he is confirming that what the Iranians were always doing
was building a bomb. Secondly, he goes on to say here that a number of countries are ready to directly supply Iran with their own nuclear warheads, meaning you won't have to build them, you won't have to enrich the uranium. They will give them to Iran. Now, as for Donald Trump, again, it is about twenty two minutes past seven o'clock in the morning. We know that Trump likes to get up early. We're keeping an eye on his social media feeds. If he says something, will give you a read out of
that in a second. Of what I'm able to see about what has been released by the White House in the past. Tool. Yeah, just before we came on here about twenty five minutes ago, is that the only public meetings is there might be something inside the Oval Office within the next couple of hours, but the only definite thing that is on his schedule is a one pm
Washington time. So again many hours from now, in the middle of our night, you'll hear the update in the morning, but that is going to be with the National Security team. Stand there is media that has been assigned and standing by to go into the Oval Office if anything is to be said. Otherwise, we all wait and see what happens.
Tell then the Israeli strikes, they happen, and they are happening now further to the west in Iran, where, among other things, that prison has been attacked, meaning political prisoners are now free. They are going after much of the government infrastructure, and on top of that, Iran is trying to throw something back the way of Israel, which brings us to little old Australia and the performance of the Prime Minister and the Foreign Minister which was ridiculous today
in Canberra. Now, firstly, I couldn't believe I woke up to a headline this morning that said Prime Minister Anthony Abernezi convence National Security Committee twenty four hours after twenty four hours after the strike on Iran. Now, remember this is not our war was the initial position. I don't disagree with that position. But still they've done everything they can to go nowhere near any sort of approval whatsoever of the United States President or what the United States
has done. But they were forced into it because, as I said, you can have a view about the north of Israel, what's happening in Israel, what's happening to the south. You can have a view about America and its foreign policy over decades and decades. You can have a view about Iran, about Russia its connections, but this is complicated and there can be many feelings in many opinions at
many times. But for me, it's a slam dunk, and it's obvious they were building a bomb, as Russia has now confirmed, building a bomb with the express purpose of wiping Israel and its citizens off the map. America had the technology to stop it, so they did. It's exactly what they should have done, and it would have been pretty obvious that by this time last night we should have been talking about a clear statement of support from the Australian Prime Minister. But no, no, we've got to check.
We've got to check if I mildly say anything. Okay, well, the freshly re elected ninety plus member leader of the Labor Party get himself into some sort of rhetorical trouble. I don't know why, but this took way too long, and in many ways it's too little, too late, because of course, within half a nano second, yes, we agree they did the right thing. The world is a safer place. We're straightway back to the talk of can everyone just
step back and take a step down. The world has long agreed that Iran cannot be allowed to get a nuclear weapon and we support action to prevent that. But that is what this is again, that de escalation. That's the message from our Foreign minister. This was after a meeting twenty four hours after we had heard that the bomb had dropped on Iran.
We do not want to see escalation.
We do call for diplomacy, de escalation and di log because the world does not want to see a full scale war in the Middle At a rare moment where the camp of press gallery was not going to let the Prime Minister just go from one to one to change the subject, they had one question and many times over Australia is through UCAS in a partnership of not just military technology but intelligence with the United States, the
United Kingdom, also the Five Eyes, the Quad. We are very much part of the circle of nations that do share information. So were we told before the bomb dropped?
The PM Starmer noted that his government was given prior warning that the US action in Iran, I think quite shortly before it took place, but it was given warning. Was ours?
Was your government lived prior for the table?
PM?
You won't break that is that this was un electual.
Now he just would not answer the question. So eventually this this was this The Prime Minister of Australia took twenty four hours to come out to have a meeting, and then again twenty four hours and many hours on from when you should have had a response. This is what happened when he wouldn't and or couldn't answer a question.
Thanks very much, thank you.
All right, let's take a quick break because we will be discussing the Australian part of this while keeping an eye on everything that is taking place as we speak. A meeting in Moscow, bomb's falling in Iran, bomb's falling in Israel, and a president who you know does not want to go quietly off a scene which he believes
is a defining one of his presidency. We will move and touch on some other news stories around because the plan will be to tell you about what is going on in Australia, but laser like the number one story in the world, for obvious reasons, for obvious consequences. We will remain on top of that as much as we can tonight, tomorrow and every night until we start to know exactly how much damage has been done and what
the future may bring. We're in a second Always good to talk to Matt Canavan, the Queensland Senator nationals to his bootstraps, and he's got a new target when it comes to net zero, as well as the wonderful Darren
Barnett brother from another mother. Normally about Australian issues, and we will get to those in a moment or two's time, But how can we not talk about the national and international things that are happening right now, including the Prime Minister and how he's played things here look freshly reelected ninety something, see its biggest possible mandate. No one is suggesting there's been some huge change in Australia's opinion about
him and his leadership. But I've got to say, Matt, I find it extraordinary that for one of a bit of term, the Trump Arrangement syndrome is so deep in and around the people who may well talk to the Prime Minister or the Prime Minister himself, that they couldn't just quickly, you know, Sunday afternoon say yep, job well done. No, no, we had to convene a meeting hours after the thing had taken place that we didn't hear from them until a day after we knew that this had taken place,
and then they quickly went back to de escalation. What did you think of the Prime Minister in pennywont.
Today, Paul, I just wish I could play poker against the PM.
He doesn't have the greatest poker face.
Even after coming out a day later, he clearly wears his reluctance.
On his face. He's had to.
I suppose he's been told, I presume behind closed doors, that makes you better get out there and say you support our greatest ally because of a lot on the line for our country if you don't.
But he seems to be a reluctant supporter of the.
United States, and I think that's a very dangerous, dangerous thing for our country. We've seen the Prime Minister spend more time on the China relationship really in his first term than he did on the American relationship. And now you know, six months Afternald Trump was elected, we still haven't had a meeting between this train and Prime Minister
and Donald Trump. Of course, the last week when the meeting fell over, it wasn't all the Prime Minister's fault given the circumstances, but it is the prime minister's fault that he hasn't tried to go to Washington, DC earlier. It's been six months since the election, and you've seen a cavalcade of minister of prime ministers so from other five eys countries go there and have that personal relationship with the President, and unfortunately for our country, we don't.
And we will probably get onto the implications of this particular strike and what's going on in the Middle East. But I think one thing that hasn't been remarked enough in our own media is the risk to our own country of all of this, because if there is a greater distraction of the United States in the Middle East, they've already moved to carry strike group from the Pacific to the Middle East, what does that mean for security
in our region? And we haven't got a government that's really taken a strong focus on our own defense in their first term.
Yeah, there's also while the world to teach is focused on this part of the globe being the Middle East, we know that obviously other issues inside the Middle East, Obviously what's happening in Ukraine, Obviously what may well be happening when it comes to further militarization of China. All of that can be happening while we're focusing on one part of the world at once. Darren, Again, I'd imagine the benefit of the doubt of the Prime Minister is no,
he wasn't told. Why because we know that the Democrats weren't even told in the Senate we were told that basically need to know, and obviously the Australian Prime Minister perhaps not on need to know, but for some reason Prime Minister either couldn't or wouldn't say that today after a meeting, after again an urgent meeting, after something had happened. It's all a bit odd, but.
If you're the prime ministers, you don't want the story to be Australia are not told, so that ambiguity of language was not surprising. But they probably should have got their act together a little bit sooner. I think they should have probably met National Security Committee, should have met yesterday, not today. But in the end, this war was to go for quite some time, we think, so I think
we'll forget about what happened on day one. It's more about what happens on day thirty one and day sixty one, and let's hope that wiser, cooler heads prevail, But at this point in time, we don't know what escalation might look like. But one thing that probably will happen there'll be a strangle on oil supplies, and that will that does impact China. So I think China takes an enormous percentage of its oil from Iran, so Straits of Horn moves.
I think that's going to be the choke point, and that's going to be really the catalyst for what happens in the next section of this conflict. What does Iran decide to do and what happens as a result.
Look, I've got to say, perhaps it's ourselves included, but I've got to say I sort of found it odd that one of the people who had public utterances today about the consequences of what's happening on the other side of the world was, among others, the n erma that was out there telling everyone to fill up your tank today because who know what's happened in a couple of days time. That's why I'm probably going to draw the line in terms of the latest and breaking of information here.
But there is something that say back to that. Jeffrey Robertson thing right and Okayed provocateur, left wing lawyer. But we see in parts of mainly the left of the United States suggesting, oh, you know, this is illegal. He could be impeached for this. And again perhaps that delay that comes out of places like Australia. I get it. I get it, Matt. While you and I might be fluent in MAGA, you and I may exchange the odd text message about something that has happened deep inside the
magaverse are time to time. But I also know that the majority of Australian people does not have the same view that we have about Donald Trump. But that said, how is it so so deep for so many that they're unable to divorce? You know, every and any action of Donald Trump's is disastrous with you mean, the country that's threatening terrorist attacks has been put on its ass great.
Well, Paul, Even taking away the particular circumstances of this are horrific Iranian regime. Just a couple of presidents ago, in Barack Obama, I believe he and his administration bombs seven countries, seven countries.
There was no congressional approval.
The circumstances around those bombings were very similar to these that the world found out after the event for obvious reasons, and the president didn't go and seek congression approval.
I mean, this is not a new thing, and.
I'll leave it to other legal experts about whether or not under the US Constitution the president should seek congressional approval. But clearly Donald Trump's done nothing different than a cavalcader presidence before him. They weren't impeached. I don't think he will successfully be impeached here either. And then you get
onto particulars of this Iranian regime. Clearly there is a need to try to prevent Iran from seeking or having the most terrible of weapons, given their sponsorship of horrific terrorist acts in the region, So it is worth trying to do this.
Now.
I'm not exactly sure whether this has or we can succeed. It's I think that's still an open question, but I do think the US administration.
Deserves marks for trying.
And now we've got to try and ensure that this doesn't blow out to a wider war as well.
All right, Darren, one last thought on this.
Of all the things that Trump would be impeached for, it ain't going to be this one.
Please please and again remember to actually be This is the whole thing stupidity of the impeachment process. It's two thirds of the Senate. As long as they've got half or a little over or a little under. It's never no team Red Team Blue is going to be booted out of office unless it is something unimaginably horrific, which I don't imagine is coming anytime soon. All Right, I want to squaze in a couple of Australian issues here, as well as keeping our eye on everything happening around
the world. Matt, you have been given the responsibility from the nat of actually putting a dollar value on net zero. Now you've spoken about it a long time. You've waited for this number to come from other people. But it's your job. Now. How many bits of Butcher's paper do you have and how will you work it out? Well?
I won't be doing the work myself, Paul, but we'll be seeking to try and get to the bottom of it with the help of smarter people than me. It's really is a travesty that we haven't done this work. We've approached this net zero issue with a shoot first, asked questions later approach, and that has been as disastrous as normal such normally such an approach is by doing this, we have shot a number of industries already. We've lost our nickel industry, We've lost our eurear industry, it's the
most important fertilizer. And we've lost our plastics industry. Just in the first three years of net zero there's been over ten thousand jobs lost across those three industries. And they're essential ones. We're essential ones to our economy. And so given these geopolitical risks that we've already highlighted, why are we deindustrializing our nation when the rest of the
world is not so? In particular, we should be costing a scenario where if we continue to act like we've got our head in the sand about what's going on everywhere else in the world, how much would that cost our country? How much would that cost in terms of jobs, in terms of higher power prices, and of course in terms of lost industries that are essential to the defense of this nation. So look, we'll be trying to do
that work. Welcome the fact that our leader David Little Proud has said we will review our position on net zero missions, and it can't come soon enough.
Darren as a person who's will and truly across the parts of the country that's believed there is no price that is hire to pay than the potential issues to do with the planet and Australia must get rid of one hundred and ten percent of one percent of the world's problems. Would you like to suggest match should look under particular rocks about where that dollar value could be.
What I've said before, and I'll say it again very happily, the Nationals, particular the people like Senator Canavan Barnaby Joyce, have done a very good job of convincing regional Australia that renewables is not in their best interests. Therefore, it's very difficult for the Nationals to reverse from that position and reverse from a pro nuclear stance. So we don't want to preempt what the report or the inquiry will find, but I wouldn't be surprised if it goes status quo.
The problem is politically, if you're in a coalition that plays as enormous pressure back on those city seats that the Liberals need to win in order for the coalition to return to power, and that's going to be an internal dogfight that I think is going to be a very difficult one.
Well, also as noticing that Susan Lay who is Susan Lee, sorry, who is going to be giving an address to the Press Club in the next couple of days. Already the net zero issue is one that is been demanded to be answered in this the early days of a new parliamentary term. One would imagine it is not going to be resolved anytime soon. But certainly I think that you know, if Matt's got the information and you can put the information together. We keep being told that information is what's
able to form opinions. What's wrong with having, as you say, Matt, the information that has either been long denied or is in a million different places.
Well, just to take up Darren's point, what I'd like to see is that we come to a decision after all of this making, making our choice based on what's best for our country, not what's best for winning particular seats. And I agree with what John Howard said, the best politics is usually the best policy.
So let's focus on that.
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consequences of what's been happening in Iran. Israel as we speak, trying to move even further towards regime change, among other things, blowing the doors off a notorious prison where many political prisoners in Iran have been held. They're also trying to knock out many other things to do with the infrastructure of the Mullers, the people in charge of the Iranian government,
the Iranian regime. And of course there are ninety million people who live in Iran, the majority of which clearly would like to be living under a different form of a government. Uron Brook joins us now. He is an author, a YouTuber and is with the Iron Ran Institute. He joins us now Ran today seems to be a bit of a step where we're saying that Israel is now openly talking about attacking things to do with the regime.
Literally in the past two hours, blowing the doors off a prison where prisoners have been This is a new stage, is it not?
It definitely is. I mean, they started this a few days ago. They were already blowing up police stations. They were blowing up particularly regime locations where you know, the soldiers or police who who were passed crowds during the Goal Revolution a couple of years ago will be. But today they're going all out. It looks like they've targeted about you know, several dozen locations of one hundred pieces of munitions have been dropped just in the last couple
of hours on various locations in Tehuan. They're focusing primarily on the capitol, and it does look like they're taking this idea of they probably they figure, I think they've got about a week left of bombing anyone, and they're going to make this week count towards a regime change as much as they can.
In terms of the tectonic plates of the Middle East? Are you surprised to some degree about how impotent Iran
has been? And again, nobody wants to go them into the worst possible scenarios here, but remember for decades, the assumption has meant they are in pursuit of a singular weapon to be able to punish countries like Israel, but presumably with that bigger population, that many people in their army, you know, people going hungry because of the monies that have been spent on their military, that when they did start to launch any offensive towards Israel, that it would
have more teeth to it. And again to those tectonic plates of the countries next to them and those that have spoken in support of them. And again we're only a couple of days into the next phase of this. But those tectonic plates are a little surprising in how either little they've moved or little they are in my view.
Yeah, I mean, I have to admit that I am not surprised. I've been talking about this for over twenty years now. In terms of the fact that you are as a relatively easy target.
It is not a difficult target.
The reality is that this is an authoritarian regime with very little real technology. I mean, look at how dumb their bombs are. They can launch simple ballistic missiles up into the atmosphere and they land randomly in some place in Israel. They can't even target them as compared to the precision bombing. The exactness of what Israel is doing,
and Israel hasn't even used all of its capabilities. This is the difference between a theocratic authoritarian regime and a free country where people think for themselves and produce and create and build, and a country with high tech. So no, I always thought that people exaggerated.
The strength of Iran.
Yuwon has brute force, it has numbers, it has lots of missiles, but it has it does not have the technology to be able to win a modern war. I mean we're seeing this to some extent in Russia, Ukraine. Russia is a lot weaker than people thought. And the reason Russia is a lot weaker is because it is again in authoritarian state with no real uh you know, technological innovation, with not an entrepreneurial class, without the kind of the kind of development that you need in order
to build a modern, successful military. Israel has that, the United States has that, and maybe maybe to some extent, China has that, but pretty much everybody else in the world today is pretty weak.
What do you expect out of the conversations that are being had right now by the Iranian foreign minister and Russia.
I think nothing Russia.
Russia does not have the resources, does not want to get itself immersed in the Middle East, It does not want to conflict with Israel. Conflict with Israel will just show even more to the world how weak their weapons systems are. They still export some weapon systems, although who buys them I don't know.
Anymore. And you know, a lot of the Oligocks.
Remember a lot of the Oligocks surround Putin have homes in Israel. Many of them are Jewish, many of them, you know, have family in Israel. He does not want to be in a position where he is attacking Israel. He can attack it verbally, but he would not. He will not do anything militarily. They'll do something symbolic to help the Iranians. But I do not expect, you know,
Russia to get involved again. The whole exaggeration about World War II three, assuming the Bricks had any real power or willingness to come to the aid of you on, has always been ridiculous in my view. So no, I think nothing will come of this. And this is another desperate act of the Unian regime to somehow stay in power. They realize that the focus now is on regime change, and they're desperate to try to find somebody who will help them out.
Now we know they're going to be speaking in Boston in the next couple of weeks. But how do people keep an eye on what you're doing? Where do they find you on YouTube? How do people follow what you do?
Well, just put my name on YouTube. It's pretty easy, but I do have a website. You're on Brooks Show All one word dot com and yeah, I speak all over the world on a regular basis and hope people follow me.
They will. Thank you mate, get on you, You're on all the best. We'll talk to you Ryan Garry soon. Thank you. You're on brook again. Finding on YouTube lots of good and fascinating conversations EIC Quick break Back with More, Hit of the Light, to Bag with the Birthday Boy,
among others. Joe Hildebrand One Today more Honest Again. One of the joys of being where we are is that we can turn our attention away from some of the big international stuff and just focus on what is happening in little old here in surprise, prise winter, it's cold. This particular winter, yes, does seem to be particularly cold. Insert greens carrying on at a moment or two is time,
But what about this? In the past couple of days, parts of Australia were colder than Antarctica, literally colder than Antarctica and which place specifically, as Australians woke to one of their coldest mornings in over twenty five years, the beautiful city to the south of Sydney, a little north of camberc Golben. In Golben, the temperature reached a freezing minus ten degrees this morning. That being sunder, it was colder than the Devas station in Antarctica, which the same
night had hit just minus eight and a half degrees. Now, I don't know whether this is going to be something that's you know, your local realistic agent is going to say, come to gold and it's cold on the Antarctica. It's certainly more fun and there's more people there. It's got a wonderful macus that many people drop in on in and out of, including some who might be on their way to or from Canberra. But why is it so cold?
And what happens in the next couple of days, Well, the joy of this joint is we've got an entire thing called sky News Weather twenty four to seven looking at what's happening with the.
Weather Wednesday and Thursday.
That's really when that drop is going to be moving in and the big change that's going to be happening here they have that next call front moving in and again this is going to be when we see the chance for snowfall pushing in.
All right, so particularly for those that are making the most of what are going to be school holidays in just a weeken if it's time, depending on whether your public and private and Queensland and you said, you get the point. This is always the problem soon as you start to say things like happy school holidays, hope everyone's enjoying their school holiday. So not where I'm living, Okay,
I get it, I understand. I understand now. That special smile that you're going to hear tonight is because the wonderful Joe Hilda brand Well, it's a big birthday for him, a very big one, one worth celebrating for a long period of time to come. In fact, I think that if you used all of the candles, you could take fifty minus one one a second