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Paul Murray Live | 22 July

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The presidential race is closer than ever now that Kamala Harris is set to take Joe Biden's position as the Democratic candidate, can she win the election? Plus, bad news for Albanese as the Coalition pulls ahead in the latest polls.

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Speaker 1

From the Skying New Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Wow, anything happened in the past couple of weeks. Thank you so much to James Morrow, who did a spectacular job holding the forward here, keeping the man Cave alive. Now you may have heard a little bit of news today. President Joe Biden has sensationally quit the US election race.

Speaker 2

Joe Biden is rewriting American history, becoming the first sitting president in decades to quit an election campaign.

Speaker 3

We have breaking news here.

Speaker 4

President Biden has announced he will stand down from the race.

Speaker 1

President Biden has dropped out of the twenty twenty four presidential race. Now we all knew it was coming. It took a long time, but it ended the way it started. Remember the way that he campaigned for the presidency successfully in twenty twenty which was from his basement, very selective interviews, very small amounts of time that people saw buggarall rallies, and befitting that there was, in my view, a cowardly way that this president, who was obsessed with history, made

history today. He did not get in front of a camera, he did not pick up the phone, he did not release a video message. Befitting of a man of a long time ago. He wrote a letter. The letter was not even on presidential letterhead, it was from his personal letterhead. But in the modern version of mail it was released via Twitter. Now it's a small point on a day of history, and what you because the focus is really difficult.

But why I find this a cowardly way for a president to make the decision that he has made, is that he did not face the nation directly to explain himself. Now we have seen presidence of all generations, all political parties, and many different stripes, make their way towards a camera to deliver big, bold news, and at times of great difficulty, to announce the end of their presidencies. Famously, Richard Nixon the only president to actually resign from office, not just

resign from seeking another term in office. He did so write down the barrel of a camera. The last person to say that they did not want to seek another term was Lyndon Baines Johnson, all the way back in nineteen sixty eight. Did he write a letter, Did he do a phone interview? No, he gave a forty minute address to the nation where these words would be remembered forever.

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I shall not see, and I will not accept denomination of my party for another term as your president.

Speaker 1

Now, I have no doubt that he would have been seething while making that decision. Richard Nixon would have been seething while making his decision. But what does it say about the weakness and cowardice of Joe Biden that he made his decision on a Sunday afternoon in the quietest possible fashion and promises not to speak to this matter

until later in the week. Now, it's a not so well known fact, but those that have been watching the Biden presidency closely know that he quite frequently meets with historians. He's obsessed with his place in history, and while he now joins the series of one term presidents, he has sought not to be put into the losers club of a one term president. Hence, why are you hearing all this rubbish e how historic and how amazing and all

the rest of it his presidency actually is. But the reality is that, as we all know, Biden put simply ran out of money, and he ran out of friends. Ultimately, Nancy Pelosi, the former Speaker of the House, is the one who, when Biden had thought that he'd put all of this behind him, reopened the wound, and has been pouring salt into it every day since. I believe that someone went to Biden with an ide history and said, here's your options. You can do it your way, and

we'll call you a hero. We write the history books because we are the left. We will call you the greatest one termer of all time, a man who achieved in four years what others would dream to achieve in eight. Or if you want to hold on, we'll send you out as a dribbling fool. We will use the twenty fifth Amendment, will sack you from office because you are

not up to the office. And with one eye to history, he decided to look forward to how he will be remembered and how he will be celebrated, as opposed to the figure of cowardice that he ended up being surrounded by people who told lie after lie after lie about his competence and his capacity to actually lead. Now amazingly, again a small bit of detail, but I know that watching this show, you love your detail. For the twenty

fifth Amendment to have been put in place. That's when the Vice President says to the cabinet, the ministers of the president. Can I get half of you to agree with me that we need to remove this person because they are incapacitated. Well, what if I told you that this man was so weak, so afraid of that actually taking place, that the last time there was a full cabinet meeting of Joe Biden's administration not last month, but actually last year. Deep reporting that was done by CNN.

Here's the version of it up at Daily Wire says that he has not met with his full cabinet since October last year. This man was afraid of how it would end, because he knew it would. He's tried to avoid at all costs the mechanisms that would have pushed him out, until eventually, as we all saw before our own eyes in the past couple of weeks, he ran out of friends, and he ran out of money. The money now starts to flow towards Kamala Harris. In the

next couple of days, we will see. But the latest number is forty five million dollars that has magically fallen from the sky for her that wasn't there for him. Now we all know that the moment that broke the Biden lie was the debate when fifty million people on television, thirty million people online, and so many more since saw this bloke for what he is. But may I take a moment to be angry, because we saw this man for what he was when he was running for the presidency,

let alone when he had become the president. We've shown this footage almost daily as the metaphor for the failures and the bumbling and the falling and all the rest of it of Joe Biden over the years. Now, this most famously was what we refer to as the man who defires gravity because he fell up the stairs, not down. Well, you know when that happened. Did that happen last year,

the year before? No, it happened just fifty nine days into his presidency, when he fell up the stairs of Air Force one March twenty twenty one, fifty nine days into his presidency. The image was there for all to see that it was over before it began. We saw him fall asleep at a meeting of World Leader again two hundred and eighty six days into his presidency. But there was fact checking. Oh, he was just closing his eyes. He wasn't falling asleep again, not even into his first

full year as President. There were two key examples that were just as bad as the debate, And take your pick of every other weird moment that has happened that we were all told wasn't real.

Speaker 5

Very important thing I told my daughter and grand daughters, and those serious guys are recurring, and the environment has to investigated discriminately and aggressively, discrimination aggressively. That's my special envoid of monor Cabinet of anti Semitism DEMORAUF.

Speaker 1

I shigned pack at Act into law. We were told that it was just a stutter. Now, speech impediment does not make you fall over. Speech impediment does not mean that you don't know the difference between your wife and your sister, that you can't quite remember the famous words that are said by school children about their country. And there was further proof when Joe Biden did exactly what Donald Trump was accused of, which was taking classified documents

and not returning them. There was an investigation that was done by the Special Counsel Robert Hurr. He concluded that while Joe Biden had effectively committed a crime, the reason why he was not to be charged was because during the face to face meeting he was a sympathetic, well meaning old man who couldn't remember things like dates about when his son passed away, the dates of it when

he was vice president versus actually president. Yet again, the lie around Biden was propagated by the media, who said your eyes can't tell the truth, believe me. Famously, Joe Scarborough is a host on the MSNBC channel in the United States. It's the left wing channel, and he's been the single biggest cheerleader, defender and television air support for

anything bad about Joe Biden. After the Special Council had concluded that this bloke was not up to it, then this is what he lied when he said about the president and why all of it wasn't true.

Speaker 4

This version of Biden, intellectually, analytically is the best Biden ever, not a close second. And I've known him for years. The Brazenskis have known him for fifty years. If it weren't the truth and say it, they say.

Speaker 1

In politics that it's the cover up that will always get you. The cover up has been there since when he ran for president in twenty nineteen, when he campaigned for president in twenty twenty, when he became the president in twenty twenty one and every day since, including people

who saw what we all saw at the debate. A couple of weeks before the debate, remember famously, when George Clooney came forward and said that it was time for Joe Biden to leave because of what he had seen at a mega fundraising event which he and Julia Roberts hosted in Los Angeles. Were the videos of the President of the United States being let off the stage were referred to again from the White House itself, the White

House that claims Trump's presidency was the lying presidency. This is what the White House told you, me, everyone else about this man. Despite the fact that they saw it, they pretended it didn't exist. In fact, they flat out invented a new word, cheap fake.

Speaker 6

Instead of talking about the president's performance in office, and what I mean by that is as legislative wins, what he's been able to do for the American people across the country, we're seeing these deep FECs, these manipulated videos.

Speaker 1

They all knew. They all lied because they thought that they could hide the lie the same way they hid the lie in twenty twenty in the basement. But they didn't have the cover of COVID, and once the debate exposed the man that you saw falling up the stairs fifty nine days into his four year term, they all said nothing to see here as part of the effort to try to get rid of this president, simply because

we all learnt that the lie couldn't be sustained. Again, George Clooney, the bloke who was in charge of that fundraiser where Joe Biden was shuffled off the stage by Barack Obama. George Clooney wrote a piece that I know James talked about, but it's worth rereading just one paragraph of it. It's devastating to say, but the Joe Biden I was with three weeks ago at the fundraiser was

not the big effing deal Biden of twenty ten. That's when Medicare, sorry, the Affordable Care Act was passed Obamacare. He wasn't even the Joe Biden of twenty twenty, the one who of course won the presidency. He was the same man we all witnessed at the debate. But where is the courage from this bloke to come out and say it and tell the truth when everyone else was buying the lie? When everyone else was spreading the lie.

These people will all now come forward and tell us that he's the greatest president has ever served four years, that whoever replaces it will be the best, that Trump's the threat to democracy. These people lied effortlessly, and even when they see it with their own eyes, they kept lying. It was only when they had the permission to tell the truth because of what we all saw at the

debate that they started to come through. But without doubt, the single biggest protector and liar about the condition of Joe Biden is Kamala Harris. Now, of course it is a vice president's job to go in and at times defend what seems to be the indefensible. But again, when this was the performance at the debate, and I'm.

Speaker 5

Going to continue to move until we get the total band on, the total initiative relative to what we're going to do with more border patrol and.

Speaker 1

More asylum off Kamala Harris, who will now demand you believe her telling the truth about how evil Trump and Vance and the Republicans and everyone else is. This is the lie that she spread on the very night of the debate.

Speaker 7

Listen, First of all, what we saw tonight is the president, making a very clear contrast with Donald Trump on all of the issues that matter to the American people. Yes, there was a slow start, but it was a strong finish.

Speaker 1

She lied over and over and over.

Speaker 7

So I'm not going to spend all night with you talking about the last ninety minutes when I've been watching the last three and a half years of performance.

Speaker 1

And it wasn't just one interview. She went across to the home ground that is MSNBC, the ones that we're trying to desperately wonder how do we keep telling the lie even though we know where the truth is.

Speaker 7

And what we saw tonight is more of the same. Joe Biden fighting for the American people, Donald Trump fighting for himself, and quite.

Speaker 1

Rightly, the Republicans have turned around and have said that Americans and those of us who care about that country should be white hot with rage. That's one thing for George Clooney to tell a lie. It's one thing for a host on MSNBC to tell a lie. Neither of

those are acceptable. But when the person who is the heartbeat away from the presidency is lying over and over and over again, she deserves everything she's going to get as the liar in chief defending Biden, which is why the Republican Party Trump's super packs have come out today with these devastating examples of it.

Speaker 3

Kamala was in on it.

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She covered up Joe's obvious mental decline.

Speaker 7

Our president is in good shap, in good health, tireless, vibrant, and I have no doubt about the strength of the work that we have done.

Speaker 1

But Carmalin knew Joe couldn't do the job. Now, let's all watch in the next few weeks and months where she's somehow going to pretend that, oh, look, I was the vice president, but I wasn't really around for any of the decisions. Now, in this election, every poll has told us that there are three main options for why people are going to vote the way that they are going to vote in No, the Democrats will try to say that it's going to be about abortion, but that's

currently running third, fourth, fifth behind the economy. Is she going to pretend, oh, look, I was that's all Joe, That's all Joe. But then there's the number one issue, which is immigration. She will not be able to pretend that it was all Joe's fault because remember, Joe picked her as vice president to be responsible for the border.

Speaker 8

If you ever wondered how Joe Biden could get the border so screwed up, remember he had help. Here's Biden appointing Kamala Harris to be his borders are to deal with illegal immigration. And here are a record number of illegal immigrants ten million in counting flooding over the border. After Harris was put in charge of stopping illegal immigration.

Speaker 1

Wat you try to hold back the laughing the way Joe tried to quit hair sniffing. I'm finally going to do it for ten more days than it could be president. So, after Joe Biden had released the cowardly letter, he then followed up by going, oh, that's right, I forgot to actually endorse my vice president. She did so, and this was the photo that was released. If you're back Biden, you're our back Harris. And there's lots of reasons why

all of that is the case. But she now is most likely going to be the Democrat nomine I'll explain why in the second in part. One of the reasons is because despite the fact that they want an open process to make sure that it's not just a bunch of smoke filled or vape filled rooms that will end up picking the candidate. Oh no, this is an open process where anyone who wants to put their hand up can, just like the primary process when Yes Kennedy and others put their hand up and said I'm going to run

against Joe Biden. But no, no, no, we'll have no debates. There'll be very little interviews with these people. So, surprise, surprise, the very process that was supposed to expose the lie and expose his unfitness for office and expose what we all later saw, that process which was apparently open to anyone to challenge him. Well, of course it wasn't the same organization, the same people who campaigned from the Bay,

the same people who spread the law. Oh he's fine, he's great, he's the smartest he's ever been, falling up the stairs. That's just your lying eyes. That's rubbish, pushed by pro Trump people from Washington to Australia. Well, the reality, of course, is that while this will be a allegedly open process, the media has made it very clear, don't anyone challenge this woman.

Speaker 9

I've been processing this for five hours already, and it still gives me chills to say it.

Speaker 3

In the instant.

Speaker 9

He announced it at one forty six pm this afternoon.

Speaker 3

Everything changed, Everything changed.

Speaker 9

The Democratic Party instantly ends it's internal war, this emotional, intense, harrowing fight that has torn the party apart for the past three and a half weeks, that is over in an instant.

Speaker 1

Shut up backer if you question her racism, sexism, all of this garbage, that's going to be put in place. But of course, the greatest indication of future results is past performance. Kamala Harris is a bad politician, certainly bad on the national stage because you see, she competed with Joe Biden to be the Democrat nominee back in twenty twenty, and she was so bad that she dropped out of the race even before a vote was cast.

Speaker 7

You know, there was a little girl in California who was part of the second class to integrate her public schools, and she was bussed to school every day. And that little girl was me in.

Speaker 5

Terms of bussing the bussy, and I never you would have been able to go to school the same exact way.

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Because well, some of her Harris is doing is unfortunately continuing to traffic in lies and smears and innuendos.

Speaker 1

She was totally scripted, was all swagger, all the rest of it. Will of course, it all just fell away. One of the many postscripts and post mortems about her disastrous run at the presidency, well, it concluded about the type of person that she was back then and presumably would still be now. Again. You've heard a lot, but I know you like the details, so let's jump into it now. Kamala Harris's campaign completely unraveled in part because people were being yelled at, screamed at by her all

the rest of it. They were undermined. They didn't feel that they were in the right place. And guess what has happened since she, of course became the vice president. She's had lots of staff come and go from her office. She has no long term people around her. What does it say about a person who only has new friends and no old friends around them? Tells you a lot, doesn't it?

Speaker 5

Well?

Speaker 1

In the Washington Post, they wrote this about that particular moment in time when as the vice president, so in the past four years, how she treated the people who worked for her. Critics scattered over two decades point to an inconsistent and at times degrading principle which means her who burns through seasoned staff members who've succeeded in other demanding, high profile positions. People used to be put aside missteps, used to putting aside missteps, sacrificing sleep in during the

occasional tirade from an a rate boss. But all of that was too much when they worked for her as vice president. But we are where we are, so let me explain to you why Harris is the favorite and the most likely to become the Democrat nominee. There's three simple reasons, and it's the mechanics of the so called open process, where anyone who wants to put the hand ups allowed to put the hand up. But just like when they were leaking the questions to the Clinton campaign

against Bernie Sanders, they've already got their preferred candidate. If you run against them, the media that normally will life you will tear you apart. But here are the three reasons. Number one, every person who goes to the convention at the end of August is, yes, a Biden delegate, but more specifically, every physical human being that will be there has been chosen by people that are loyal to the Biden campaign. So those people are not going to go

against Joe Biden's pick to replace him. Secondly, about fifty million dollars worth of money that's been raised by the Biden Harris campaign automatically moves to her because she is part of the Biden Harris campaign. The money, which of course without you can't run for the presidency, goes to her. And Thirdly, most of the serious people who would be even a chance of putting their hand up, they on day one said I'm with her, backing her in. So

someone might somewhere put their hand up. But this is over before it begins, which brings us to what happens in the election. Is there data that is around that suddenly shows that Harris is going to be able to do way better than Biden ever did. Obviously, we'll all find out in the next couple of weeks as they picked their candidate and then that candidate starts to get

the message out. We'll see whether the arm wrestle turns this election into one about abortion, which is one that's going to be very difficult for the Republicans and I've told you about that many times before, or will it stay where it has been for the past couple of years about immigration, about inflation, both of which Harris in the room owns those bad decisions. Well, have a look

at this. I had a look at the website five point thirty eight, which is a great aggregator of all sorts of data that's around when it comes to politics and polling. It shows that in the past couple of weeks they did a bunch of polling to compare how Trump and Harris would go. Now, this is all national polling, and as you can see, the best of it for Trump is like fifty two forty five, and then we might get down to a sort of forty six forty five.

At fifty two forty eight, it might get a little close, like forty two to thirty seven. But again the national vote doesn't matter. So when you hear in the next couple of days, oh, Kamala Harris has got an incredible boost in the polls. She's gone from Biden forty three

to now she's forty. It doesn't matter because just like our elections here in Australia are one hundred and fifty one different little electorates, the states are separate electorates and depending on the size of the population, that's the amount of votes that they have anything called the electoral college. The electoral college is where you need two hundred and seventy votes in the electoral college to become the president. Which is why we always talk about the swing states.

These are the states that, yes every four years, are not locked in as team Red or team Blue. So, for example, a place like Texas middle and bottom of the map hardcore Republican, you can bank those forty votes, whereas California at fifty four hardcore blue. So the toss up states ends up being Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada. Well, believe it or not, I even have some data there to tell you.

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That.

Speaker 1

The current polling, just before Biden decided to cowardly slip out of the race via a letter, it showed that in Arizona, Trump was winning forty eight forty two, in Georgia forty eight forty two in Nevada again forty eight forty one, forty seven forty two in Michigan, forty eight forty four in Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin forty eight forty four. If all of that became an electoral college, you need

two hundred and seventy votes to win. But this would be the map that we would all be waking up to at the start of November after an election where Donald Trump would win by three hundred and twelve electoral votes. So is Kamala Harris currently so much more popular that Joe Biden? That Joe Biden had to go, had to get out of the way, and the people that have protected and lied and not told the truth about him are now the ones that they're going to say, believe

me because I'm a better option. The answer is no. Now, of course she's not the candidate. When she is the candidate, that these numbers become a little bit more real. But just on general principle, people who saw her as the senator, who saw her as the vice president, who saw her as the borders are what do they think in those swing states? Again, this is where it sits now. No change in Arizona forty eight, forty two, Georgia, it's better for Trump fifty one, forty six, Nevada it's better for

Trump fifty forty. No data out of Michigan. In Pennsylvania it's forty seven, forty slightly better for the Democrats. Wisconsin eight forty seven line ball, Wisconsin is the best and only major change. So let's have a look. Let's be honest, and let's say all it will be nice and kind. We will take the most proharised states of Wisconsin and Michigan. Because we have no data. What does that look like on the map two seventy to win. Well, currently Trump

is sitting at two eighty seven. He would still win if all of that polling ended up being true and being the reality. So where we are right now is that you should always trust your eyes. You should always trust what you see, and do not let the vested interests try to tell you that up is down and down is up, and black is white and left is

right and all of this rubbish. They have been able to pull off one of the greatest frauds on an electorate in Western history, where a man who they knew wasn't up to it, they got behind because they found a way to hide the life for four years. The person who couldn't even get a single vote for her as the nominee in twenty twenty gets plucked because she's a woman of color to become the vice president. The polls show that once the lie becomes indefensible that Joe's

got to go. And now the same people who have told you all those lies, all of that garbage for the past four years are about to stump up and now play defense for Kamala Harris. She has nothing to do with the border, nothing to do with the economy. She was yes, she was the vice president, which means she's qualified to be the president, but she wasn't involved in any of the decisions that you don't like. This is going to be a fascinating ride. We will be

into it all day, every day, every detail. Meghan Kelly joins us in a couple of minutes time, But I'm keen to know what you think. You can always send any of Paullot's going news dot com dot AU. What an incredible time we are living through, and it's an incredible privilege to be able to try and work it out with you each and every night. I'm glad you're here, Meghan Kelly in a couple of minutes, But in the meantime, plenty to talk about with my dear friend Sam Crosby

here in the man Cave. Senator in Matt Canavan joining us now as well from wonderful camera, which I know is about as cold as Queensland was last week. I enjoyed, you know, I love, I love going back to the spiritual home. Queensland was freezing last week and I've got the little chests cold and all the rest of it as a result. But anyway, God love Queensland. All right, you've heard everything I've had to say. Sam, you're the man who would like Trump not to be president, so

you get to go first. Are you excited that you're going to get Carmala? I'm excited for change.

Speaker 12

You know, we knew, we knew any but we knew that Biden was going to lose. You know, that was that was obvious. There was no path forward. It's highly likely I would say that Trump is still the president. He beats Harris in November. But you know, there's a lot of polls and a lot of data saying Americans just want to move on. Yes, they don't want either of them, They just they just want someone else. Well she's someone else, so let's see. Well yeah, and that's that's a ringing endorsement.

Speaker 1

Now, Matt, there obvious vulnerabilities here, right, Trump now becomes the old guy. The media who have tried to ignore the cheap fakes and all of that stuff will now go full bore on trying to do to Trump what has been done to Biden about showing age. Right, so when I sit back and I giggle at things that when he talks about washing machines or electric boats, this suddenly will become Oh, is this guy fit to become the president? And now we have this battle about what

the election is about. Kamala Harris is obviously going to pretend I'm qualified to be president because I was vice president, but I wasn't part of any decisions that were made by the current president. Good luck threading that needle.

Speaker 2

Yeah, it's a small gap to go through. But look, I'm not so sure Karmela will be the candidate yet still a month to the Democratic National Convention. I mean, we've lived through a pretty amazing week or so in politics. As they say, a week is a long time in politics and a month as an eternity. So look, let's just wait and see. I think there certainly are other

candidates out there pushing their barrow. I imagine there'll be probably the mother of all smear campaigns from those candidates unleashed against Kamala and there's probably plenty of content around there, given that she didn't do that well in her original primary contest, as you outlined earlier. So I still think there's a lot of water under the boat here. I do think though, the Trump campaigns in a very strong position.

I mean, they now, whoever the candidate is, they can cast their opponent as not a person but as a machine. Because the candidate Donald Trump face faces will be picked by a faceless political machine.

Speaker 11

It's not a primary process.

Speaker 2

We know the person who gets it will most certainly won't be independent. There'll be deals being done in back rooms that the American people will have no idea about. The Probably there was probably a deal done with Joe Biden to force the resignation. All we still haven't got a proof of life yet that he even knows that he resigned. So I mean, there's a lot of water under this bridge to go yet. But whatever, however you cut at Donald Trump's in the box, I.

Speaker 12

Will give you a prediction though, that you will never ever ever have another con convention in Chicago ever. Again, that is snake bit sixty eight fifty whatever it was fifty two to fifty three with the last two open broken conventions. There is some sort of weird curse going on in Chicago. Democrats are never going to send it back there ever again.

Speaker 1

Now, we could talk for the rest of the night about it, but I've got Meegan coming up, So let's move on to some of the Australian stuff that i'n't been able to talk about for a couple of weeks, and it's going to be back again. Thank you to James for filling in all of the team. You've done incredible things. Well, what a surprise. The polling is just amazing for the greatest prime minister of all time leading

the greatest government of all time. Right, newspoll comes out today It shows that the coalition's primary vote is now sitting there at what thirty eight percent? He puts his glasses on, But of course that just might be news poll. Well what about the Resolve poll that says the L and P is at thirty eight More importantly, Labours now down to twenty eight percent nationally? What about over the turble times They're okay, right, they've got Labor at twenty

nine percent right now. And the Morgan pole which came out tonight says that the Labor Party's primary voters at thirty point one, and in fact on two pp it's the Libs and the Nats in front fifty one forty nine, which is the same as the freshwater pot which came

out today via the Financial Review. Matt again, but I keep reading if any of this takes place, that there was an election tomorrow, Albanize still gets returned, despite the fact that now a couple of showing that there's fifty one percent of the electorate that would end up voting for a change of government. Explain to us why a poll that says fifty one forty nine is not interpreted as you could win this next election.

Speaker 2

Well, it's not interpreted as that because we have effectively the political equivalent of Mount Everest to climb. We have to win twenty seats. A little bit depends on how you reclassify some of the re drawn seats, but around twenty seats are needed for the Liberal and National Party to former majority. That is an achievement bigger than what Tanney Abbott achieved when he nearly knocked off the first term government. So it's an enormous, enormous effort enormous challenge. Look,

I think definitely this is an open race. It's very very close, and it's going to come down to the next few months leading up to the election.

Speaker 11

But there's no way you can say.

Speaker 2

That the Liberal National Party is somehow a lock or a given to win this.

Speaker 11

We're just in the race. We've got a lot of work to do.

Speaker 2

Can't be arrogant, but there's no doubt this trained people are not convinced by this government. They have a high degree of anxiety about the economic situation facing this country, and certainly I don't think people think this government has the answers or had the solutions when they got elected to fix the problems we've got right now. So that gives us an opportunity. It's just an opportunity, though not.

Speaker 1

A given sam to use accrudism. People are pushing bricks at the idea of another interest rate rise. That happens. A lot of the spin in there around the budget, of course, completely falls away. Plenty of quotes about oh, I won't be information to all the rest of it.

But there was a story today the nine years rent that I want to have to look at here, which was one hundred and sixty five thousand homeowners may be forced to sell if there is one more interest rung And I get the feeling we're right on the line of what people are willing to come.

Speaker 12

And look, I think that's the biggest story here. It's not so much the political machinations and the poles and whatnot. Another interest rate rise hammers people that simply cannot afford another hammering. You know, there is a generation of renters out there that this interest rate rise, if it does happen, would just get passed straight onto their rent. So, you know, I think the pole, if I were sitting in Albanese's office, I'd say that the respondents to this pole are sending

your message. I don't think that is the same as I'm voting against you it the next selection. I absolutely don't concede that, But I do think they are saying, you know, we're hurting, and we want you to hurt with us, and we want you to hear us hurting.

Speaker 1

Yeah. I mean, look, I've sat here the whole time talking about how unless I see some polling that the Teals are going to move and the chance of getting to the seventy six becomes mathematically very difficult. It should be noted though, that if this news poll currently was what came to pass, or the freshwater I think comes to pass, the seventy eight seats becomes seventy one seats, which means you are down into Green's territory of needing

them to pop up. And the only thing worse than minority government for labor is going to be if the Greens have any actual formal role in confidence and supply.

Speaker 12

Yeah, all the way through this government, it was being predicted this was probably the last majority government for quite a while, so that's sort of baked in. But you're absolutely right. The challenge he will get it will be for Albaniz to be returned with enough paths to get to seventy five. So, for instance, in New South Palst, Chris Mens is technically a minority government, but he's got a cross bench of I think it's about fourteen or

fifteen yes, and he needs one vote. So the price for government is effectively.

Speaker 1

Narrow, true, but one is different than seven of absolutely man, and you're going through all the normals and then some teals,

then we start to get to the Greens. Here again, what I sort of find interesting here about a message is if we look like we're headed towards minority government, doesn't that strengthen the teal's capacity to go to the local communities and say, well, we're actually going to be in the driver's seat, which kind of does make it quite difficult to blast them out as being useless.

Speaker 2

Look, yes and no, I think Paul I disagree with Sam that somehow we won't get a majority government for some time. I think the best way to guarantee a majority governments have a minority government for a term, and people will turn against that pretty quickly, as they did last time we had that, I mean a decade or

so ago. So look, maybe I think the opportunity for Leberal National Party here is to bring forward that fear about a minority government and what it might mean for this country in uncertain times, and that might then see a bigger change in the vote than we see in the polls through an election campaign, because I think what you're going to see is the fact that if I vote for Labor at this election is a vote for chaos.

It's a vote for a complete unknown and uncertainty. And even for those voters in the till seats, look I'm just not so sure people want to sign up to that.

Speaker 11

We face very precarious times.

Speaker 2

We really want to go into a situation where the governor of the day has to enter into a massive bargaining process post the election, post that you've been voted to decide what the policies and laws of this country should be. I think we actually need a strong government with a strong mandate to navigate these uncertain times, and that will be a key factor, I'm sure at the next election.

Speaker 12

Look, that's right, that is the absolutely the fear, and that's the thing that Albanize has got to avoid.

Speaker 11

But he lived through this.

Speaker 12

He was Leader of the House during that last minority government period, so I think he'll say very clearly, I'm not going to sit down and do that silly signing ceremony that looked like a marriage license you with Bob Brown and Julie Gillom not everybody believing.

Speaker 1

But what if the Green say we're not going to give you a supply unless then I.

Speaker 12

Think, I think I can't try anything the politician says before then. I think then I think it comes down to Anthony Alberenezy saying, idea you idea and if you want to move a motion and no confidence in me, fine, you can go back to your electorates in Melbourne and explain why we've got Peter Dutton as Prime minister.

Speaker 1

Why we're having a new election. Yeah, all their bluff, Yeah, but it'd be nice to see maybe just don't give him preferences. Let's all work on that. Thank you, Sam, Thank you, senenor look forward to talking to you again very soon. Megan Kelly joins a straight up for the break her take and bye bye, Brandon. You've heard from me, You've heard from the boys. Now let's hear from the best in the business, Meghan Kelly in the United States. Meghan, love you to see you. We knew it was coming.

But what's your reaction?

Speaker 3

It's mixed.

Speaker 10

I'm relieved because this man should not be leader of the free world. He should not be our president. He should be resigning the presidency along with his candidacy for a second term. If he can't do a second term as president, why should we allow him to finish.

Speaker 3

Out the first term.

Speaker 10

I mean, he's admitting he's not competent to handle the job, so it's an outrage that he's doing it.

Speaker 3

So I'm relieved that he's.

Speaker 10

Leaving, but I'm angry because I, along with my fellow Americans, have been the victim of an attempted fraud.

Speaker 3

That's what's happened here.

Speaker 10

He has been incompetent, mentally incompetent to serve for months and most probably years, and they've been hiding it.

Speaker 3

They've been hiding it.

Speaker 10

And only when they decided to swing for the fences and push him out onto a presidential debate stage where this problem could no longer be denied and manifested in a way where we all saw it with our eyes and ears, did they have to sort of start admitting the truth, which is he's no longer there.

Speaker 3

He dug in, he didn't want to leave.

Speaker 10

And what slowly started to happen over the past three weeks was Nancy Pelosi, former House Speaker who's really apparently the ruler of the Democratic Party, stuck the knife in just a little at first, and by the end she had it on.

Speaker 3

A full twist.

Speaker 10

The reporting by top Democrat, well top reporters who cover Democrats very well and have a lot of connections with them, is that she essentially said, this is going to get far more painful in the days to come unless you go. And so we knew it was coming, and it did come, and it just shows that these Democrat politicians are absolutely ruthless.

Speaker 3

When it comes to winning elections.

Speaker 10

So now he goes and the media that propped up this liar and this lie are now fawning all over him like he actually is Jesus returning to planet Earth.

Speaker 3

To save us.

Speaker 10

All he's I mean, I'm he's gonna be submitted.

Speaker 3

For Saint Hoood within the week.

Speaker 10

It's abs and it's incredibly aggravating.

Speaker 1

Now, I've been watching your coverage as all of this was happening and in the laid up to it, and I agree with every word. There is something that is aggravating about what has happened today, not because we wanted Joe Biden to stick around, but because essentially there has been a coup, a bloodless coup. Now we're used to these things in our country because it's the members of Parliament who picked the prime minister. But it is only ever the voters that are supposed to pick the president.

Speaker 3

That's exactly it.

Speaker 10

They do not care if they have somebody who is incompetent at the helm.

Speaker 3

They want to govern by team.

Speaker 10

After that debate, we saw some top Democrats repeatedly tweeting out like, the presidency is more of a team. It's not really a one man job. No, it's exactly a one man job. That's exactly how our founders created it, read the Constitution. So it's incredibly frustrating to see them just blow right past his incompetence, something a past they would never be giving to any Republican.

Speaker 3

Never mind Donald.

Speaker 10

But what happened after the debate was his polls absolutely cratered.

Speaker 3

They created on the national level, which suggests.

Speaker 10

What the popular vote is going to be, they created on the swing state level, which shows us how the electoral vote is going to go on the presidency, and they cretered at the lower levels in key house races in particular across the country in blue states, in places like California and New York, which have been getting slightly

redder here and there. Keep in mind both those states, while very blue, have had Republican governors in the past twenty years, so they're not all blue, and they're gettable.

If you tick the people off enough, they can swing back to the right, and we were starting to see that in the polls there, and I think that was the last straw or Pelosi, like, we know, we kind of think at least we're going to lose the White House at this point, given the way that that race has been handled, But we're not going to lose the House and the Senate too.

Speaker 3

We cannot give the Republicans a.

Speaker 10

Blank slate, blank check to go in there and enact Trump's agenda. And I think that's why she was willing to stick the dagger in and twist.

Speaker 1

Now when you die is just breaking in. The US will find out in the next twenty four hours or so whether Kamala Harris has any opposition, but it looks like the vice president. Well, firstly, she's inherited the support of Biden. That matters because all of the delegates going to the convention previously we're loyal to Joe Biden, so theoretically would continue to be loyal to his endorsement. What do you think of Harris as the Democratic nominee and potential president?

Speaker 3

Where to begin? Let me start Kamala Harris style.

Speaker 10

You see, there's this thing, it's called the presidency, and it's even bigger and more important than the vice presidency. You see, and when the person running for the presidency decides not to run, the vice presidential candidate is most likely to step into those shows.

Speaker 3

That person who.

Speaker 10

Talks like that is not going to be our next president. No, we have gone almost two hundred and fifty years without a female president. Two hundred and fifty Is that because we never had a strong female leader. We never had anybody strong enough, savvy enough, confident enough to inspire the electorate to actually pull.

Speaker 3

The lever for her.

Speaker 10

No, No, it's it's we have had such leaders. It's just the country is used to things a certain way, and it's going to take a very special female candidate to make them see it a different way. I don't like this reality, but I see this reality and she is not it. I'm sorry to be ad hominin, but she's a fool. She's not a smart person. If you listen to her, as I have now for so many years, you glean that she is faking it. She thinks she's

Oprah with her attempts at profundity that never land. We will be unburdened by what has been.

Speaker 3

It's it's her only line. She says it all the time.

Speaker 10

Her other line is about ven diagrams, which is equally stupid, and her attempt to take complex topics and reduce them down into small, digestible bits is the most offensive to me because that happens to be what I do for a living, what you Paul do for a living, and it does actually take some skill and some research and some knowledge. You have to learn it forward and backward before you can explain it in a very easy to

understand way to your audience. She doesn't get it. It doesn't require speaking to people like therefore, but that's her level of communication. So that person's not going to be the first female president. It's not going to happen. I would bet everything I have on it.

Speaker 1

So you lie to Megan Totien.

Speaker 3

Next way, my pleasure. Thanks for having me, Megan Keilly.

Speaker 1

Then you can find a show on YouTube or on serious exam in the US, say tomorrow. The Like to Bite is next.

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