From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live mate. Thank you very much for watching so much to get to this evening, including a very big win in the Senate today. Sadly it was the Greens yet again, the tail wagging, the government being the puppy here. You're going to pay. I'll explain what that means in a second. I've got more inside details about what may would be coming for the user Pay's age care system. And Joe Hocke he took time out from not listening to Bill
Clinton to talk to me. We'll have a chat to him in a moment or two his time, but a lot of people seem to like that. I started the show last night with a bit of good news, so I'll continue on until the complaints come the other way. I'm nothing but a servant here. Three bits of good
news before we get into everything else today. The hero police officer from the Bondeau stabbings is going to be honored this weekend as part of a wireder honoring support and recognition of the emergency services in New South Wales by the World of Rugby League. Now of course Bondo Junction it is part of the Eastern Suburbs club the Roosters. So she will be arriving Chopper and all with a
game ball and she'll be celebrated this weekend. Congratulations to Amy Scott on that honor, and I hope that everyone takes to their feet and gives her the welcome that she deserves. Now, we haven't really updated much about the United Kingdom since the riots from a couple of weeks ago. Well thankfully those riots have calmed down, but the incident
that is central. Two things getting out of hand was the three little girls that were stabbed in England and a police to say, well, not good news in any way,
shape or form. The news I want to bring you tonight is that King Charles didn't just attend, didn't just go to the memorials for them, but actually met with the families, showing of course that they are not forgotten in what has been a while few weeks where they were largely forgotten because of some of the reaction and shout out to anyone who was stuck on a roller coaster today on the Gold Coast, but that's exactly what happened today as people were hitting the peak and then
they were stuck. Life is a rollercoaster, a band I've forgotten from the nineties once said the good news, they're off. They're okay, now to the big stuff. Now. It doesn't matter whom the politician is. But in this case, I'm going to focus in on the prime minister. They say exactly the same thing after every election, and this is especially so when just a third of the country's primary votes were for the party and the person who has become our prime minister.
And I can promise all Australians this, no matter how you voted today, the government I lead will respect every one of you every day.
Really well. Of course we know that they have got after the other third, the bit of people who decided to vote for anyone but the government this time when it comes to the Liberal Party, and they have tried endlessly to suggest that it's only the Liberal side of politics that's evil, rusty, mean, weird.
What I see is his relentless negativity, all the carping and the negativity to those offers of more negativity under Peter Dutton. Peter Dutton, another day, another bit of negativity.
But I've got to say world under Chris Kenny. He's the one who watched this brought it to our attention. I repeat what he had to say when he was watching a debate in the Senate today because the reality of somebody representing the government, somebody a shadow deputy minister in the government, completely tells us the truth of what they really think of you. Unless you are part of their tribe, they turn on you. If you are somebody who is openly antagonistic or questions what they do, they
come for your throat. Now we know that this Prime Minister's gutless decision not to have a proper royal commission or national inquiry into what happened in COVID is to his eternal shame, because to this very day there are people who are either still financially affected by lockdowns, the failures when it comes to supporting our children that has affected their mental health and their education, let alone the traumas of absurdity that took place as people were forced
to wear head to toe protective clothing. Ppe Remember that poor lady who had to wait for fourteen days before she could go and see her father, Well, he of course died without that contact. She had to be dressed as if she was going into Chernobyl because that was
our attitude at the time. There were too many people who died alone, and part of a Royal commission race serious investigation into what happened would and should have concluded that no human should ever die alone if their families are willing to roll the dice to even potentially threaten their your own health, to make sure that they can hold the hands of those whom they love. My mate Mark jessp Well, I've given you plenty of examples of the story he told about his dad, who again was
put in one of these scenarios. Disgusting, unforgivable. So today there was an attempt from some of the minor parties and some of the more conservative senators to have a formal, larger inquiry into COVID. Yet, of course this government that claimed on day one that they would respect everyone, including the people who didn't vote for them, well we all know that's garbage. You're either with them or you're against them,
and if you're against them, bugger you. Perfect example, look what's happening right now in regional Australia when it comes to the rollout of the energy grid from the people who wouldn't dare upset their doggie parks. But you have to see your area change forever when it comes to the rollout of tens of thousands of kilometers of cable or tens of thousands of solo pans or wind turbines. But more importantly, I want to introduce you to a bloke that you may well not have heard of. Again, Well,
donder Chris Kenny for pointing this out. And he's the reason why I'm talking about this right now. Well, tim As. Tim As is that one of the Deputy Ministers for Trade, but he's hardcore labor, he's hardcore union, and he decided today this is what he said about the people who want a proper inquiry into COVID. This man is a disgrace.
There is a wellspring, a sort of fetted wellspring of COVID conspiracy theorists, and some of them, some of them, some of them in habit the benches over there. We know that Senator Babbitt, we know that Senator Babbitt comes from the outer reaches of some of the more kooky conspiracy theorist views. We know that we know that it is it is obvious one nation party have always sought to manipulate these kind of these kind of conspiracy theories
for their own purposes. That is that is well known, and there is, of course, and always has been a group of people in the community who you know, mobilized by concerns about chemtrails or lizard people or fluoride conspiracy.
If you think there should be a broad inquiry that would investigate and presumably conclude, because it is so obvious that kids should always go to school and unless there is a natural disaster or an emergency playing out on that school's campus, it should always be open and the kids should always go to school. They're putting you in with the lizard people people. That's the government that's going to respect everyone, regardless of how you voted. This bloke
continues in an extraordinary rant. This wasn't a speech, this was a rant. This again is a disgrace. You want a proper inquiry into COVID. This is what they think of you.
And there's there's always the pseudo scientific language, always the sort of resort to things that sound important but aren't. Always discussions about gene therapy is if something's really going on here that is different, and you are always used and if you can encourage people to believe this set
of conspiracy theories. It's part of the radicalization pathway that is designed by people who sit at the heart of these and sometimes people don't know that they have been engaged in a radicalization pathway.
This is the wildest, dumbest stuff from the Twitter karens back in twenty twenty that any and anyone who thought anything other than what you were told by the Chief Health Officer that somehow you're part of some dark, weird, crazy conspiracy. Do I agree with every word that has been said against every decision that was made of government?
Of course not. But if the choices are have a proper open inquiry into COVID that would hold state governments accountable, That would guarantee that our kids keep going to school and no one dies alone because of something that since everyone left the house, has claimed far more lives. Because now we've all got to the position where people's attitudes are completely different. It is outrageous that this bloke carried on like this. But there's a third and final part
of it. And again, if you believe people shouldn't die alone of COVID, if you're a person who thinks the kids should go to school, if you're a person who thinks that you should be able to have your small business open because there's no other way to pay off your home loan or to pay the ever increasing electricity bills of this government. Then what's the term they use? Apparently you're a cooker.
And I understand that is uncomfortable. I understand that people don't want to hear it because they want the easy ride in politics. They don't want to have to call out extremism. They want to have to call out bad behavior because it's so much easier to do the backslapping and the she'll be right mate, and don't worry about that, and to surf in on the support of some of the nastiest extreme cooky elements in Australian politics.
I do not have enough words to describe all about how offensive and how deliberately and intentionally antagonistic and disgraceful that performance was. Now I get it, there'll be a drinking game in his office. Aha, look at who we've peede off today. How good is this? Don't worry about me, Powell, worry about the hundreds of thousands of people who, once they see this message, will see you and your government for what you are, which are people who will crush
anyone who thinks what you have done is wrong. This bloke, this government, and the media who ignored his behavior today are all part of the problem. The problem being that there should be accountability for the failures of that period of time, not the first six months. We all didn't know what was going on. We didn't know whether the blob was going to make its way from the hospitals of Italy across our borders, and we didn't know what
was going to happen. But we all knew where we were six months in litt alone, multiple years later, I wanted absolutely clear kids go to school and people don't die alone, and to be dismissed in the fashion of which this bloke, this government, the people who report on it, if you happen to be of a different view to them, tells you everything about what they really think about you. And I don't really care what they think about me. Meantime, Also in the Senate today, business got a lot harder
for many Australian businesses. You see the Greens, well, they got together with all of the usual suspects on the cross bench today, like David Pocock, like Jackie Lamby like the person who used to work with Jackie Lamby but then broke away from Jackie Lamby, but nobody talks about her failure to hold a team together. Don't worry and yes, David Van google his name. And what some colleagues have said in the past, Well they all got together to launch a brand new program. It is referred to as
a mega deal in the Australian newspaper. Today we are talking about the Net Zero Economy Agency. Net Zero Economy Agency. Let me read the description of what has just become law in Australia. The bill makes it mandatory for companies to disclose climate risks. The legislation captures all businesses with a turnover, not profit, turnover of fifty million dollars or more.
So yeah, big companies. But still this is even as farmers and the coalitions called for agriculture in particular to be carved out of what is called Scope three reporting requirements. I'll explain now what Scope three is, and this is now the law of the land. Scope three includes emissions along the supply chain, so you now become responsible for the environmental impacts of people who are in your supply chain.
Not in your business, which are not directed, which are not generated directly by a company within its fence line or through its electricity consumption. Farmers who supply big supermarkets and other large companies they will have to make climate disclosures under the program have warned that their exports will be consequently become less competitive. Now, of course this matters because if you are going to pull in how much you produce because of what the environmental consequences are, and
how much environmental consequences there are. When you put whatever you grow, whatever you make, on the back of a truck and the truck makes its way towards the port, and then you've got to work out the environmental consequences of the thing that takes what you are trying to send to the other side of the world, be it via ship or by plane. Well, of course you produce less when margins are very thin at the moment. Producing less will mean that you have less income. If you
have less income, your chance of turning a profit. Well, of course it goes backwards. If the Australian dollar goes lower than it currently is, then again what you are exporting to the rest of the world. Again, all of this comes into the calculations because the expectation then may be that it might be good to export on one hand financially, but bad to export on another because of
the environmental costs. This has passed the Parliament today. Of course, China, who is often a destination for a lot of this stuff, but of course is a place that exports an awful lot of garbage to us. Remember they're a developing country, despite the fact that they have hosted two Olympic Games so far this century, They've got a space station. They of course are a developing country. And as they developing country, they are allowed to continue to pollute multiple times what
Australia could even dream of putting into the atmosphere. And they can keep surging until twenty thirty. And it's only at twenty thirty that they will be measured. We are being measured on two thousand and five. We are one percent of the world's emissions. There are thirty. We are fighting already with one hand tied behind our back because of the costs of labor, the cost of transport, the cost of electricity. But now the other hand is being
dragged behind your back. As the Washington Post said about China, that China is close to its peak when it comes to emissions, but of course they don't want to talk about it and they won't give us any of the information. This is a deeply serious decision which has been made today. And I don't say that because I'm in denial of climate change or don't understand that Australian needs to do its bit about one percent of the world world's problems.
But when we have now made it harder for the people who make things in this country to be able to make more of them, to sell more of them, to ship more of them, than we have made a bad decision. But does that surprise you, Because of course this decision is not influenced by anyone who produces. It's influenced by the people who sit in the parliament and preen and show off and think that everything just grows
in the shop. Nobody had to make it, nobody had to import it, nobody had to try to export it. Somebody somewhere else to help subsidize the product. This will, of course be, as I say, climate change denial. No, this is this a very bad deal that we will now be signed up to, and any attempt to change it will of course be going back to the dark ages. Well watch this space. When it comes to the Prime Minister. He has been clobbered, absolutely clobbered for the past couple
of weeks. In question, the Government has been appalling in the way that it has explained itself for dealt with or not explained the situation revolving visas coming from wartorn parts of the Middle East. Yet again, another day where the parliamentary term has finished for a couple of weeks and the government was beaten black and blue metaphorically.
I refer to the government's issuing of tourist visas to nearly three thousand people from the terrorists controlled Gaza war zone, with nearly one thousand, three hundred already arrived in Australia. Can the Prime Minister provide details on any concerns raised by the New South Wales State Police or the New South Wales Government regarding this matter?
Prime Minister, will individuals currently in the terrorist controlled Garsa war zone who have already been granted a visa by this government be subject to face to face interviews or biometric checks before they arrive in Australia.
My question is to the Prime Minister how many people from the Gaza war zone has Qatar accepted.
Yes, no questions, with no answers whatsoever, instead just spinning wheels and pretending that there's the opposition that has the problem, not the government being held account for its actions. Now nine times out of ten, the press gallery, as I so often talk about, they just swallow the labor line. They run the labor line, thankfully. Every now and then there are some examples of the truth pushing through, like Mark Riley did a couple of nights ago on.
Seven correct question how many of the two nine hundred visas from Gaza have been canceled?
It's an indirect answer.
We take the same advice from the same security agency.
But of course there are plenty of people that are willing to be the praetorian guard around their preferred Prime minister and their preferred government. Seemingly one of those would work for the Channel nine newspapers. It's not just my view, it's the view, of course, of Peter Dutton about a
blow called David Crow. When Murferou, the old Guardian journalist, joined the Prime Minister's office to become a spin doctor, Peter Dutton decided and couldn't help but say that the real outrage was that David Crow missed out what more must he do to prove his credentials to be formally employed by the Labor Party, And that has seemingly never been truer than what happened in the past couple of days.
You see, one of the lines of defense of those that have no defense for their actions was to pretend that this is just a small issue, that nobody cares about it whatsoever, That there isn't baked into the DNA of Australia a love of its borders, I want to protect its culture, an awareness of the multicultural nature of our country. But the point being that there must be a system of processes that mean that you're able to get here, and only the people who fit the highest
standards are the ones who end up coming here. Now again, why am I talking about this bloke? Because this was the defense from the Labor Party when they were getting beaten senseless metaphorically in the Parliament this week. Beggars belief.
When this is the main game right around Australia, that those opposite can't manage to ask even a single question about the cost of living pressures that people are confronting, not one idea about fighting inflation, not one policy for the cost of living.
Well, you see a version of that. There were many versions of it that were there turned up in the analysis section of the person who's also the straight news journalist in the other part of the paper. Tell me how that works. But still Dutton is placing all these bets on an issue not crucial to voters, because you see they're pretending nobody anywhere is talking about what's happening when it comes to the Middle East. And if you are,
it's only kind of five percent of the country. No, the extreme majority of Australians have opinions about our borders. Every poll, every time tells us this. How he holds water for the Labour Party. Here is the big question for the coming election is whether this will matter. Will this relentless focus on Garza work for Dunton, Will it help Green's leader Adam band or will it help the Prime Minister Anthony Ibnezi appeal to Australians with a moderate message.
See again see the sales pitch there. Oh, the craziest is to the left of the crazies. To the right, it's the man in the Middle who's oh so reasonable, the man of the Middle who can't answer the yes no question, the yes no question about the support of a terrorist organization extraordinary right. So while there will be no professional consequences, no doubt because of even my criticism, you know he'll be named Journalists of the Year and get lots of awards. Remember, David Crowe also has to
write the stories about the opinion polls. It is own newspaper like this one that shows that when asked, fifty one percent of people think the moderate Prime Minister his performance is poor or very poor. The issue is not
about the Middle East. The issue is about borders, protecting the borders and maintaining the standards of who gets to cross them to join us here in the greatest country of all And as I have said a thousand times before, and I have to say for one thousand and one, because there are those that will deliberately and intentionally misrepresent as I have said, as I have caused great offense
to some people. It is very obvious that Australia has a refugee program and from all parts of the world and all conflicts of the world, if people meet the standard, then they are accepted into our country. That is the reality of our refugee system, the idea that those people should somehow have different types of checks depending on where they come from. Yeah, people do have an opinion on that.
Meantime to the age care side of things here, and there was some pressure that has finally been put onto the government to actually tell us what is going on here, What is going on when it comes to aged care and user pays and how much more will people have to pay? And who is going to be declared rich? Will it be the amount of money in your bank account, your super the value of your house, All of this
matters well. Jim Charmers was approached and asked about it today and according to news dot Com that I you, he was mum on the issue, simply saying nothing.
Obviously, we've been really focused on really cognizant on the anxieties that people might have about changes in aged care. In my view, it's not tenable, it's not viable to continue the current system the way that it is forever. When we have more to say about aged care reform, obviously a big part of that will be being upfront with people about what we're asking of them and what the transitional arrange TAMS would be to assuage some of those concerns that you raise.
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. The exception to the rule of the press gallery is Philip Curry. I'm sure it brings him and others great delight that I cite him as a good example of bloke who literally does call the balls and
strikes down in the middle. He's been leading the reporting about what's going on inside this age care situation and telling us about what's being negotiated while it's being negotiated, rather than just turning around whether you take it or leave it attitude this government normally as now, remember a couple of days ago we told you the Australian Financial Review has revealed in the past that one of the proposals that was put to the opposition was a lifetime
contributions cap going from seventy six thousand to more than one hundred thousand dollars above that number to now one hundred and ninety thousand dollars. The cap would be abolished altogether. However, when it comes to home care, so if there's no cap, then yes, you could be eventually bled financially dry if you decide to stay at home for as long as possible trying to have the home care package. That's why this has consequences. That's why this should remain front and center.
Will They had an updating to his reporting which came through today, saying that age care wait list exemptions will be granted as parties close in on a deal, so all of this only kicks in once you get into a place or you get a package, not what you are waiting for it. He claims that the major parties have got to some sort of a deal when it
comes to the funding model. On Wednesday, sources on both sides confirmed in principal agreement have been reached on Chapter four of a new Age Care Act, which contains the funding reforms under which those entering care will have to quote pay a bit more for their care, while home care recipients will pay more for services those with the
greatest means the financial the family home excluded. So if you've got significant amount of super significant amount of shares, significant amount of money in the bank, you will have to pay a lot contribution if you choose to stay at home. There'll be no cap Wait. Watch, There's plenty more in this story, and we will continue to keep an eye on it, even though there is not an awful lot of TV pict just to throw around it.
But I know how much you care because it's all of our lives that they're filling and playing with currently behind closed doors. So as you know, the Democratic National Committee coming to a close in the next twenty four hours. Obama in a pantsuit. Sorry, Kamala Harris will of course take to the stage to become the new Queen of Friedel. But one of the endless themes of the Democratic National Committee is that if you vote blue, you're better than the evil, bad, nasty Orange man.
Their Project twenty twenty five will make things much, much harder for people who are just trying to live their lives.
Donald Trump is like an old boyfriend, well you broke up with, but it just won't go away.
And let's talk about Project twenty twenty five, Donald Trump's roadmap to ban abortion.
In all fifty states. Now, this is a very deep cut for people who spend way too much time on the Internet or way too much time watching lefty television. Project twenty twenty five is put together by a think tank, yes, of a lot of people who used to work in the Trump administration who would have a hope of being in the next Trump administration. But Donald Trump himself has
said that's not me. I'm not doing it. And isn't it amazing that the very same party that's trying to tell you that Kamala Harris used to believe all of this, but now she believes all of that, thinks that rule only applies to them. Trump has said it's not happening. Yet they just keep on pounding away. But again, the evil, the nastiness, the heartlessness, the carelessness of Donald Trump. Well today he was holding a rally, but for the first time since he was shot, he did so out in
the open. You can see all that plastic glass that was around him. Well, this bloke who apparently is so nasty and it's all about him. Now, remember he was shot at the PTSC that any of us would feel in that situation. He didn't hide behind the glass. Yes, he delivered the speech, but then when a person at the rally collapsed, look what he did. He left the stage. The security would have clearly freaked out at the moment,
and then he gave the lady a cuddle. I mean, honestly, think about think about that, right if any of the Dems any and God forbid and knowing no never never never never never, right, but if somebody has been shot at and they've got all the bullepoof glass around them, imagine the stones to not just not be afraid to go back and put your head into the the lion's mouth, but then to walk away from the protect. Unbelievable stuff.
All right, the fight, fight, fight, you saw when the blood was coming down his face is still there to die. But also can I call that again? Some bas from the Democratic National Committee, they constantly talk about dimefod for Trump because that would be going backwards.
Let us choose optimism over cynicism, because that's.
The best of America.
And let us choose inclusion over retribution.
Let us choose common sense over none.
Since we got seventy six days, that's nothing.
There'll be time to sleep when you're dad. That's how we'll turn the page on Donald Trump.
When Kamala Harris as president, every day will begin with.
You, you, you, you. But every single day of the convention has been the greatest hits. Bill Clinton has been addressing the Democratic National Convention for forty years. Joe Biden was front and center of Democratic politics for fifty years. Obama's first speech was twenty years ago, and these were the headline acts on all of the nights. And then, of course there was Michelle Obama, who's the greatest of all time because her greatest achievement during the eight years
of the White House was a vegetable garden. And I've got to say, I'm sorry. I know, way more popular and people love and I'm about to get flamed on the internet, but someone's got to say it. How does she have the internal strength to say this? She and my father didn't aspire to be wealthy.
In fact, they were suspicious of folks who took more than they needed.
Took more than they needed. She was brought up be suspicious of people who take more than they need. This is the lady with not one, not two, not three, but four mansions, four mansions. This is apparently the main place they live in a place called Martha's Vineyard. And remember when a legal immigrants turned up there, Well, they got turned away quickly. You wouldn't want to spoil the
view would you die? But most likely the most important thing that will happen in the next twenty four to forty eight hours is that Robert Kennedy Junior will give up his quest for the presidency. Now every pole is Toolesey is no chance of flipping a state, let alone winning the presidency. His vice presidential candidate said yesterday on the Internet and today on Fox News that they have a choice, and the choice most likely is to team up behind Donald Trump.
It's Bobby's decision. I came into this supporting him wholeheartedly to win the selection, and I have to say there's only one party that has obstructed a fair election for us, and unfortunately it was a Democratic Party. They've done everything they can, including creating packs, to prevent us from being able to have ballot access.
Now, while nationally not a big story, in the seven states that matter, it's a massive issue because previously, when it was Biden, about sixty forty percent of their support was coming from Democrats. Now most of that vote went back to the Democrats, So now it's sixty forty people who most likely would end up going for Trump. So in states where Harris is leading by less than a point five points up for grabs is going to help Trump.
The same in Georgia with four six points in Michigan, In Nevada, he could put his foot down and put it away. In North Carolina, a tie would quickly become a Trump lead. The same in Pennsylvania, in Wisconsin and so many other places. So watch this space. All of that tomorrow. But of course, the great pants Obama and pants I don't care, I do not care. Betting markets, by the way, is still in favor of Trump. It's only middle of August. We'll see what happens next week,
next month. But right now, game on. Speaking of quick break back with more, Who's the winner and loser of the week. We'll crown one in a second, and then Joe Hockey in Chicago, and we talk about the real deal, not the spin, no knocking around. Let's get to it now. Plenty to talk about, with the wonderful Michael Kroger joining us from Melbourne in the man Cave right now is Eily Die, of course, from the Center of Independent Studies.
Hello do you both, Michael. I'll start with you. David Crowe claims that the focus of the past couple of weeks is on a minor issue nobody cares about. But he is gas lighting about what the past two weeks has been about. It has not been the obsessive extreme minority who are deeply and front and center involved. It's about the border and everyone cares about the border and Australians have been very clear since two thousand and one
what their position is on the border. So let's deal with this narrative game that's being played out of the press gallery. Yeah.
Mate, I think David's unfortunately suffering from the Canberra bubble syndrome. It's the worst type of affection for journalists to catch, and it's basically that syndrome, which is when you're in Canberra for too long and you only talk to Canberra based journalists, particularly those in the Fairfax Press and the ABC, you are a world away, a world away from what people in marginal seats in the suburbs around Australia, particularly
rural Australia, are thinking. And I can tell you this issue is a light across the country and people are appalled, they're shocked. Labor supporters are profoundly disappointed at Albow. Everyone else is just appalled. No, I don't think David's reading the room right, and in any case, I'm sure don't. We'll get back on to cost of living in due course. David, I don't think he's going to run this to the election. But in the meantime, this issue is an issue of
profound importance to Australians. They have no idea what's going on. And while Beneath has done this, and while we've taken six times more than any other country in the world, well.
And also Emily, the reality is that that again, you can have whatever views you have about the conflict, the situation, the future, that part of all of that stuff, right, Yeah, but it can be completely divorced from the conversation about the process in which people come into the country. And I think that it is again gas lighting is the only word I can keep using here to pretend that that's not what this conversation is. That is what they have asked questions about for two weeks straight.
Yeah, I mean, I think the focus on this has been quite intense and probably a bit unhelpful for the Liberal Party and for the coalition. I think there's a huge generational divide on this on this issue, and that gen Z voters are said, well, why not, like, why aren't we looking but letting them in. They're looking at their social media feed, They're seeing those images and are looking at it from a very different perspective than a lot of your older voters and the voters that Michael's
references in the suburbs. I think that these people, that the younger voters, are going to be further alienated from the Liberal Party if it continues down there.
So you don't think that there's the capacity to two things to be true at the same time. But again, younger voters can see what's happening, right, Yeah, absolutely see what's happening, but also understand that you have to have an immigration process that has a series of controls in it.
Oh. I think that younger voters can understand that, and I would fully support of it. Let's bring in refugees absolutely, we should also absolutely have those checks and should be very careful and we should expect integration. It's something that my colleague Peter Curty has been talking about quite a bit.
Is you come to Australia, you need to join the community, hold to Australian values and be productive members of society, which I hope and I think that a lot of these people will be grateful to Australia and will respond accordingly.
Yeah. Correct, Let's talk about the age care stuff because Michael, again, this is all being worked out behind closed doors, and generally speaking, when it's bipartisan it's either absolutely necessary nation building stuff or dirty deal. Let's both agree not to blame each other because we help fix the bigger problem. Now. I know the change in a lifetime cap for people who go into age care, Okay, it's very big, changing from sort of the high seventies to one hundred and
ninety thousand. But the idea that there may will be no lifetime cap for people staying in their homes, this is going to be very big. But what both sides are going to sign offident So therefore we can't talk about it no way.
I would think that's unlikely, mate, I would think that's unlikely. There's got to be a cap. I mean, you can't have you can't have an uncapped scheme like this. I mean people have got to know what they're going to be up for. And look, I gather the coalition and pushing for a couple of things. One is to say
that there does have to be grandfather. If you're watching tonight and you're in a home or your parents are about to go into home on a waiting list, and they've already made a pre commitment, you have the grandfather those people. You can't change the rules on someone who's already in an age care facility. That would be completely wrong. So we're talking about a situation which is only going
to apply going forward. Is everyone going to have to pay a little more, Yes, everyone is going to have to pay a little more, but there's got to be a cap mate, and I think ultimately they're going to have to reach a situation where there is a lifetime cap because uncapped schemes for people are paying out their own pocketticularly when they're elderly, that ain't going to work in this country.
Well, I look absolutely, which is why I keep talking about it. Right, this is not this an issue where I've never more hoped to be wrong. But I'm following the reporting that is again not telling us that that's
currently on the table. We'll wait and see together that. Emily, let's make the most of your experience with the CIS, and particularly when it comes to gm Z and their attitudes when it comes to corporate activism, the assumption from those of us that are not as across it as you are in your learned fashion is that because the younger employees are more socially active and therefore they demanded in their bos. Is it true.
Absolutely not. We looked at the data and we asked about a bunch of young people what they thought about corporate activism, and it was a pretty tepid response. Yes, gen Z is the most aware of corporate activism. Yes they're most aligned with it. But they're also the people
that are leaving organizations and droves because of it. Really, so, we've got, particularly the more moderate gen Z and millennial voters, they are leaving businesses because they're feeling so alienated by this activism, and rather than pushing their employers to get involved in corporate activism, they feel that they themselves are being judged on that activism that's coming out of companies.
About half of them think that they're not judged solely on their merit, but on their ability to toe a politically correct corporate line.
Fascinating stuff. Center of Independent Studies website. I'll make sure it's up on our socials. Congrats, right, Mirkael just before we go. We could do winnows and loses, but I really want to ask you about David A Andson. He goes, I think next year his tenure at the top of the ac give me the thirty second exit interview.
I welcome David's departure. I think he was completely ineffectual. As I've said before, he was just a cork bobbing in the ocean. He wasn't running the organization. He was following the organization. And let's just hope the board can appoint someone who's going to adhere to the ABC charter, which is fair and impartial in the gathering and delivery of news and current affairs.
Look if they can find a way so that Laura Tingle can both be on television and running it, I'm sure that's what they'll probably conclude, or something like it. Thank you, mate, do appreciate it. Thank you, Emily. In a moment, Joe Hockey from the United States live from that Democratic Convention. One day to go, A barman in a pant suit coming soon to a TV New Years.
If there's one person I love talking about American politics with, it's a man who well knows it like the back of his hand, not just because he's deeply interested across all of it. Knows plenty of people in the US works in the United States, but course was our former ambassador, and I'm pleased to say he's my friend. Joe Hockey joins us from the Democratic National Convention. Great man, what's
the feel like? You know? I keep hearing that, you know, this is an amazing party and all the rest of it. But aren't all of them exactly the same every four years where they all think that they're about to win and win big.
I'm tempted to agree with you, but I can't this. There is a high level of enthusiasm here, Paul, and part of it is relief that Joe Biden is no longer the candidate. That's been a big issue for the Democrats. He got to the point where he was unelectable against Donald Trump, and so a lot of Democrats are relieved that he is not the candidate. But there's also a level of enthusiasm, to be honest, for Carmala Harris. And you can't you can't dismiss that because she's had all
the firepower come out, including who's speaking now, Clinton. But the Obama's Joe Biden himself. But we still haven't heard from the candidate, and I think there's a long way to go on this election campaign.
Yeah, I agree completely. I mean literally, you look at the betting markets today, it's Trump. Just you look at this pole aggregator, it's heard. Just you look at this pole aggregator, it's him. Just Nate Silver says, anything that's sort of between fifty five and forty five is a coin flip. But I wanted to put it to you more so this way. Right. If it's about the economy, he wins. If it's about abortion, she wins. If it's about the past four years, he wins. If it's about
Obama and a pantsu, she wins. What do you think it's about?
It's cost of living. It's got to be cost of living. That's a number one issue for everyday Americans. And the number two issue is a legal immigration and you can feel it everywhere right across America. This isn't just about the southern border. It's about people and stealing jobs and there is. They are the two big issues, and Donald Trump is leading on them. The problem is and it frustrates me, and I know you've interviewed Donald Trump.
I know Donald Trump.
I really wish he would get back to dealing with the issues rather than running commentary on the color of Harris's skin or you know, whether all the various conspiracy theories. The bottom line is, if he talks about costs of living pressures, if he talks about illegal immigration, he will win. If he talks about everything else, he will lose.
Because it's interesting again, you have a look inside the numbers, right, Her unfavorable number is forty seven percent. His unfavorable number is sixty percent. Right, so we know if it's about who do you want to have dinner with all the rest of it, I know I would choose Trump, of course, but generally speaking, we know where that's going to go. But why do you think he's not able to laser in. I understand that in his muscle, in his DNA. You know he's ready for the fight with Biden. He's got
to let it go. But also when you're leading on the issues and you need to start to close the deal, to put a little bit bit of cushion right to break some of that hope that people can can hear hearing behind you right now? Why do you think he's lacking this ability? Does he not have the same people? Is he just a little bit older? Is he sort of frankly not as fired up.
Well, the thing about Donald Trump, which is the most valuable commodity and politics anywhere in the world in twenty first century, think about Donald Trump is he is authentic. He drifts away even privately, when you have a conversation with him. He'll go from topic to topic to topic to topic in a very short order. And you know he's got a very active brain. He's got a curious mind.
But you can't meander when you're speaking with people, when you're trying to cut through message, and his speeches are a boring and turgid at the moment, he's lacking is a one trick pony with his big rallies. He's got to come up with something new. And importantly, he needs to define Harris. That is absolutely essential. All of this noise, all of these speakers are defining Kamala Harris before she has even defined herself. Most Americans don't know what she
stands for and who she is. And the fact is Donald Trump needs to define her on the one hand, but also define her by the policy failings of Biden Harris over the last four years. If he does that, he'll win. If he's talking about all the other side issues, he'll lose.
You know in politics that if you're hoping for your opponent to make a mistake, you're probably in the wrong place. That said, we know that Kamala Harris can read the prompter right, and it feels like they're building the Ginger Tower. But as soon as she's away from the teleprompter. And last time I checked, when you were kind enough to invite me into the oval, there aren't any teleprompters in the Oval office. Right. You have to be able to speak off the top of your head and with a
certain sense of strength. And I think that even the hardest of hardcore in that room is frightened when she's asked a question by a normal person or god forbid, a reporter or in the debate. So, how are you going to fix inflation? Because she has never shown that skill.
Well, that's right, and look, you know, the fact is only one candidate wants to increase taxes. And if you increase taxes on companies like Walnut or Safeway or Target, they will pass it on to consumers in higher prices. So if inflation is the number one issue, if the cost of living is the number one issue, then you've got to say, well, Harris and the Democrats to increase taxes and increase prices, and that's the state of policy.
If you want to prosecute the argument about legal immigration, you say you're going to build the wall and finish it and you're going to stop all that illegal immigration. Now Trump's got a proven track record on that heading in the right direction, it stopped, he could do it again. If you do that, If Donald Trump can prosecute that argument and have the Republicans united in prosecuting that argument, then Kamala Harris needs to respond. She needs to respond
with new policies. You are absolutely right. When is that first press conference going to happen? And how is she going to handle it? And what we've seen is everyone else, including the Democrats, elevating her to a high, high level. But it's a very big four. She hasn't been tested, and when she is tested.
The fall could be so dramatic that.
Donald Trump comes sweeping back into the lead.
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