From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray live Cana.
Good evening, Thank you so much for watching. Come on into the man Cave for the end of a hunt day.
Your week's almost over, Not really, but you can get my point all right.
We are on air all over the country, but we are specifically on air Fredaware in regional Australia, and I know we are in and around the Mid North.
Coast of New South Wales.
Before we get to the politics, and there'll be plenty of that, it will get to the emergency situation that is unfolding as we speak. We have learned today that up to fifty thousand residents and lots of little places and big ones as well up and down the Mid North coast, they are in a world of trouble right now.
Tare has been a particular focus.
And I know that there was some concern today that all of the people who needed to be rescued, including people off roofs, may not have been so by the fall of the sun and into the evening this evening here is part of those that had been able to be contacted in and around Tarre tonight.
We just really want to get some rescue out here and you know our neighbors here on.
The background are here.
They are also trended.
It was in well In and it's now well over a meter high through the.
House and the river has been constantly rising for the last forty eight hours and is well over six meters all right.
As for the emergency response which is still playing out in this part of Australia, the Mid North Coast is of course very large area. While technically in and around places like Port mcquarie, Kempsey up to Coffs Harbor, yes, Tarre, everything from little places like Nambuca Heads all the way through to other areas. Again, this is the latest map that we have for you here, so I know there's a lot of people watching us from caravan parks like Valley Beach all the way through two big centers like
places like Tare, Kempsey and all the rest. So the latest in a moment from the sees from the Emergency Services Minister in New South Wales today Jihad.
Did this was his latest information.
We expect that today's weather will also continue with predictions of between one hundred and fifty and two hundred millimeters, particularly in that Mid North Coast area and what we're also seeing is a movement of that rainband further north, starting impact into parts southern parts around the Crops Harbor area.
Now, let's talk again about this rain where it's been huge amounts of it on top of already very wet land, and like it was with the Lismore floods years ago, obviously, when there is no rain being able to be absorbed by the ground, it literally just turns to glass and obviously makes its way up from.
The rivers down from the hills.
And there's plenty of hills around this area as well, so that's kind of what we're dealing with right now. This is the latest when it comes to the weather situation for the next of the war.
We've already seen the peak in the Patterson River and that is easy now, while Wallumby Brook at Bolger may reach the major level tomorrow morning, but it's further north that I've got greater concerns the Hastings River and the
Nanbucker River. Both of them are either at major level such as Warhope or likely to reach major such as Maxville, but with the rain that is still forecast, those two rivers may also follow suit with Tare and get up to at least close to that record flood height, depending on the rain that is still to come in those regions.
Colin Malone is with the State Emergency Service in New South Wales and let's get the latest information from him.
Now.
Anyone who's driven up and down the Pacific Highway as it has been over the years knows that it's so still quite a significant amount of countryside from Tarre to Coffs. Colin, what's the latest about what's happen, Because again I'm able to hurt yourself or one of your colleagues on the radio this afternoon with this concern in and around the number of evacuations or rescues that you had to get done before it turned to nightfall. What's it like, Well, a few hours into the night.
Now, Good evening, Paul, and good evening to all your viewers and listeners joining us tonight. We had confirmed in the early afternoon before the night you started that all people that were on roofs that needed to be rescued had been rescued. There's a few final people that are being followed up on and checked up on in the Tari and glen Thorne area. Just to make sure because
sometimes we get duplicate calls come through. But we're spending the early part of the tonight just double checking with all the people, getting contact with them, making sure that we did get everyone out. It was a dynamic situation, as I think we've all seen on the news, that we'd go into a resident it called and then a whole street of residents was still there, and we worked
with them to get them out safely as well. So the numbers that were pulled out were beyond the fifty two that we originally thought that we're still in there. We actually conducted three hundred and seventy nine flood rescues in the last twenty four hours. It's been a massive twenty four hours for all the emergency services and our volunteers.
I'm just looking here at one of the maps, and obviously there's the coastal areas, that's where most of the people are, but there are little townships and a lot of people living on large parts of land by themselves. The further we start to go in now, when you've only got so many people, how do you start to triage to say, Okay, let's deal with tare, let's deal
with Maxville up the road. Let's deal with Nambuka, But then what about a place like war Hoope, what about places that are a little further in that presumably those volunteers may well be not in those towns. How have you been able to surge the people inland?
So we've had in that part of the world over one thy six hundred volunteers operational and active through the day and continuing into the night. We've got all of our emergency service partners working with us on this operation. So we've got extra flood rescue crews from Ambulance, Fire and Rescue, Volunteer Rescue Association, some from the Rural Fire
Service as well. So the whole we're taking a whole of state approach here where we work together under the sees's leadership, and we're pre deploying those into all those communities. So assets were put into that risk communities. We didn't just put them all in one location. We spread them around those A risk communities.
Yeah.
So okay, so let's talk about the picture through the night and into tomorrow, matching where the rain is and in our own people on our weather channel here is starting to say that you know, the further we Go is where potentially we might be in the next twenty four hours. Give me an idea about the coverage plan for the next twenty four hours.
Yeah, so what we're looking at over the next twenty four hours is definitely the rain spreading up to about the Coffs Harbor area. So we've got evacuation orders in place for Kempsei, for Gladstone, for Smithtown, parts of Nembuka, Jerseyville in that general area as well, and a number of those other localities north of the Maning and the Hastings. So moving all the way up the coast to about
that Coffs Harbor area. We've got two incident control centers running twenty four to seven in that part of the world, so one in that Hunter mid North Coast area and another one that actually operates out of Lizmore but it covers down to that Cofts Harbor area. So a lot of resources are focused on the coast tonight, and we've got a lot of warnings out and all those communities are being engaged with.
So give me an idea.
I'm just again trying to think about people that are watching us in places like tar Re. Again, I'm just looking here at Kempsey up to Coffs. There's a lot of people that when they're evacuated, they go to these evacuation centers. Is the expectation about the flood movement, the rainfall and what comes in towards the coast that anyone in those places should expect to be there for just tonight or a couple of nights.
I think everyone needs to prepare for at least a few nights away from home. It's so hard to understand, particularly we look at what occurred on the river in tari We broke the nineteen twenty nine record overnight last night. So the mother nature and the weather has just continued to be relentless. The best known plans and the best known records that we have got exceeded. So we're watching and monitoring as close as possible. As soon as we can and give the all clear for people to go
into back home, we will. But I think everyone should plan for being a couple of nights away from home as a minimum.
All right, If anyone needs information, the number is obvious behind you, one to five hundred. But can I just say to all of the people, a lot are volunteers in your organization for those of us that are sitting back not involved in the emergency, we thank you for the effort.
We know the energy levels.
Are always hard to keep up, but the spirit is always there. A great job you have been able to mobilize in the past couple of days, and obviously I hope that the work gets easier, although we know it probably won't in the next few days. Thank you so much, mate, I really appreciate it.
Thank you, Paul, have a wonderful night. Everybody.
Good on your Colin. Thank you Colin.
Of course there with the ses now again this coverage area. Can we bring the map back please from the start of the show. I'm just looking at the rain radar that is right now very heavy falls are everywhere from say Kempsey all the way through up to looking here year past Coughs Harbor, even up to Wooleye. And in terms of it going in, well, yeah it is. It
is into Dorigo right now. It is, as you can see, quite widespread and because as you can also see to the write of your screen, there the amount of water that these things are able to produce and then turn around and dump when it gets back onto the coastline. That is part of the problem of the next little wall. Strength and love to everyone. Now we are, of course part of the emergency information system for people in those areas. If anything changes in this hour, That's what I'm going
to talk about over any and everything else. In the meantime, please keep an eye on sky News dot com dot au, keep a look at the sees website, the Hazard's website or hazards near me in New South Wales, and we'll make sure again all the information possible and rolling weather coverage over on sky News Weather in the meantime. Couple of other things before we get to the politics of
the day now. Of course, yesterday the Reserve Bank decided to make things easier for those of us that are desperately trying to pay off a house as fast as we possibly can. Now, yes, we've had two drops, but remember there were thirteen ups, so the collective pain is
still eleven interest rate rises on the average Australian. Now interestingly today real estate dot com dot Au they decided to go and check with every lending institution they could think of, and they're found seventy five institutions that have not handed on the rate cut in full.
These are some.
The full list is on that website of real estate dot com dot Au, Adelaide Bank, Australian Unity, the Bank of China, Bendigo Bank, Mortgage House, Quantus Money, Yellow Brick Road are some of those institutions that have decided not to pass it on, which opens up to the possibility of Australians being able to refinance.
Now.
Remember we lived in real time over the past three years. The number of people who were moving from fixed rate mortgages which were at the lower levels to the variables which started to well in real terms, start to feel like they were going through the roof. Now as things start to slightly stabilize, or you might be moving again from that fixed rate to the variable. The old shop
around principle put simply as it was put today. In a conversation with real estate dot com dot Au Graham Cook from the financial website Finder, he says that even if if the full rate cut isn't passed on by your current lender, the competitive environment means there will likely be better deals available elsewhere. This makes refinancing crucial for homeowners
looking to maximize their savings. I know that's obvious, obvious, but rather important you do not have to pay loyalty tax to financial institutions who, let's be honest, couldn't care less. Now we know that, regardless of the day, regardless of the circumstances, regardless of whether there is or isn't calamity in the news, there is one topic that the left of Australian politics loves to talk about.
Climate change.
Climate change, climate change, climate change, change, climate change, climate change, climate change.
And after the federal election, the boss of the Labor Party was saying to all who would listen today that they have won the climate wars.
In the decade before twenty twenty two, Australia's policy settings barely acknowledged climate.
Change and there was no plan for keeping the lights on.
Now we are taking advantage of the opportunities created by the global shift to renewables. And as the Prime Minister said at our launch, Labor has one energy policy and we are delivering it the.
Truest of true believers.
But history is written written by the winners right and as we know over the past three years, and a great plan of the next three years is to ruin the earth to save the atmosphere renewables, many of which in China by slave labor sh don't tell you one. Many renewables dotting all up and down the coast that
eventually will end up in landfill, don't tell you one. Or, as our colleague and friend Chris Hulman tollas in his documentary The Real Cost of Net Zero, something that you can expect to be coming to a location near you, especially if you have a view of trees.
Stephen has used his training as a cartographer to map the number of wind and solar farms that will need to be built on the national electricity market to hit the government targets, stretching from far North Queensland, through New South Wales, Victoria west to Port Lincoln in South Australia and across the Bass Strait to Tasmania.
But what are you talking about, Paul?
Election has been won by Labor one by ninety three seats. No discussion at all. Cost of transition doesn't matter anymore War one. That's not the point that I'm trying to make. As we know, Australia is the big dog of the countries in the Pacific. We prop up many countries in and around the Pacific Islands, and a subject which Australia is more than willing to take the free advice in exchange for not free amounts of money. Is when it comes to climate change in this part of the world.
I'm very pleased to have the engagement with our friends from throughout the Pacific, including how we shape a peaceful, stable and secure Pacific region, how we act together on the challenge of climate change.
So that was just for anyone who was just having trouble drifting off to sleep now here and now hopefully they've gone, they're relaxed on an excitement machine. Only three seats is of course, the reality is that even if Australia did every single thing that people like anam band would dream of, every single thing, they wouldn't even verbalize in terms of climate action, we won't change the climate.
We can do our bit, but we won't change the climate.
Why because, according to the Union of Concerned Scientists, Australia produces just one percent of the world's climate emissions. Let's look at this as if it was a clock. Okay, let's start at midday at the top. Well, of course, China is the biggest polluter. They don't have net zero. Instead, they have ned zero twenty sixty, but of course they
are continuing to pollute each and every day. The rest of the world, which takes up the rest of the half of the clock, well, they of course don't have all the same rules that apply to them as we try to apply to ourselves. There's the United States, which is taking us to about twenty minutes before the top of the hour, and of course the Trump administration has pulled out of things like the Paris Agreement.
Then therese country is.
Like India with more than a billion people, and what it's almost quarter two now before of course we can say get to Russia.
So before you get to forty.
Five minutes past the climate clock, you can pretty much say that none of those countries are involved in the solution.
It's said, apparently it is the little one percent waffer, the waffer at about five minutes to midnight Australia that is apparently the one that has to do everything to change everything, despite the fact that even if we did every single thing that every single green could possibly dream of, guess what, in just over two weeks, China would completely continue to pollute the planet by everything that Australia would
have saved. Why am I talking about this tonight because in a this way, do you think I'd learned by now? A rare dose of honesty about climate change? Penny Wang told Pacific Island leaders that China might actually be the biggest problem when it comes to climate change, not Australia. Pennywang called out China as the world's leading contributed to climate change as she defended Australia's efforts to cut emissions
on the first day of a Pacific trip. Foreign minister was in Fiji on Tuesday, when she was pressed about whether a reelected Abanzi government would commit to deeper climate action, Defending Australia's substantial effort.
Blah blah blah blah blah.
Then she says, China is the world's biggest emitter. Its actions will determine whether we can achieve our target. Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding.
The truth.
Even if every single climate catastrophus in Australia got exactly what they wanted. We pulled out all of the cables, we shut down all of the machines, we filled in all of the holes that are there in mining, China would replace everything that we had saved in just sixteen days. Australia's one percent cannot overpower the polluting power of more than a third of global emissions, that being China. Yet, for some reason to say this is heresy, for some reason to say this says.
That you deny climate change, for.
Some reason to say this says that you're some sort of knuckle dragger from the past.
No, should Australia do its bit? You bet you. But if we are going through all of the trouble we.
Are currently going through to cut forty three percent of one percent of the problem, and there are Labor Party activists who would like us to cut seventy five percent of one percent of the world's problem, when will any of them admit.
That Penny Wang is right that.
Even if we do everything they want to do, with all of the pain, all of the change, all of the disruption that comes with it, all of the rewarding of slave labor in China, we would still end up in a scenario where we would not be able to change the weather.
But because now many people in.
Our societies believe in the environment more than they do God, and I say this as an atheist. Once people start getting into these levels of belief, were even to point out the fact that we are one percent of the world's problem, and their conclusion is, well, then that's Great's let's shut everything down and let's solve one percent of the world's problem. They still need to understand that it doesn't change the weather, it won't change the global pliant.
It will serve as a model, yes, but think of the pain we have to go through to just set an example. TNA know what you think about that or anything else you can see me an email Pault's go
news dot com, dot au. Let's get to the National Party and its decision, of course to step away from the Liberal Party, the coalition that is now of course in TATUS a person who knows what it's like to be in the leadership position of a coalition is, of course the former Deputy Prime Minister, former Nationals leader and a straight talker as always Michael McCormack, who joins us twenty four hours after that decision, but he was in the room as the decision was being made yesterday. Michael,
nice to talk to you mate. Where are we tonight? I like the background.
I'm in Bounding Community Hall and you'd love you need to come out to this community Paul. We've had a protest meeting tonight talking about ninety wind towers higher than the Trump Manhattan Tower, which are going to be placed potentially between and bidenl on too great little communities in the Yas Valley. This is the rush to renewables madness.
This is what these communities are facing. And one hundred and forty people turn out tonight to hear just how their liveability, their wonderful little communities are going to be so badly affected. Now, Chris Baren might have a mandate because they've just won the election, but he doesn't have a mandate to ruin regional Australia and we will stand up to him every day of the week in regards to this rush to renewables madness.
So, given the ability of standing on your own two feet or being in a partnership, what is a more effective way of being able to resist this push that is coming from the government. And frankly endorsed because they won the election the way they did.
Well people power Paul, but in a partnership, and obviously the City Morning Herald the Cotton on to the fact that I didn't support the divorce. Call it what you like and I obviously I've adhered to party protocol for solidarity, but I am concerned that the breakup with the Liberal Party will unnecessarily affect our prospects at the next election because we need to be a cohesive force. And I hope that the breakup is only temporary. I hope that
we can get back with the Liberal Party. And yes, sure we'll advocate for all those important four things that David Little Proud took in good faith to Susan Lee.
But I do question the haste with which the decision has been made. But look it's been made.
We've got to get on with it now.
And we'll see what happens from here.
Now Again, as a person who has been in these relationships where you know how the decisions of the Liberal PM sometimes can be resisted outright disliked by some people in the regional areas that were that the National Party represents. To those that are pro the breakup, they say, great, no longer do we have to be the tail wagging the dog or the dog and all of that business right instead our own two feet. We don't have to compromise.
We are who we are.
What's your response to those people who say, the best thing about the divorce is you don't have to, for want of a better term, compromise for anyone.
Well, I get that people would like to see more National Party members free range and to be able to speak freely about the issues that are important to them, and obviously that's net zero, nuclear power, coal mining, all those issues. And I get that sometimes those sorts of issues, even the live sheep trade, don't resonate with people in the cities, people who are turning to the teels for what reason, I don't know, But seriously, we can do.
A lot more together.
As John Howard says, this country has governed best when it's governed by Liberals and Nationals cohesive government. And I hope that we can get back to that coalition in double quick because I think it's too important not to something.
That I'm finding frustrating as just a person who loves the regions, visits as often as we can, but obviously you represent and live in those regions. Is that exactly the reason why you're standing in the community hall you are right now? Is that the Labor Party assuming that look, they could just dump from high heaven all of the consequences of their decisions to make people in the inner city happy, and they'll just keep throwing it on and throwing it on and throwing it on regional areas. That
is the consequence of the next three years. And I suppose, as I said last night, one of the things that I like about the partnership, it means that the leader of the party is the Deputy Prime Minister. The backbench Nationals MP gets to walk up to the Minister of Government regardless of what party, and is able to take the concerns of that room that you're in and take
it to the heart of Canberra. But even outside of the relationship of what the coalition is isn't for the next three years, do you have a feeling that Labor is going to freely punish the regions because they see no political downside in it whatsoever.
Well, they already have.
I mean the last budget that doctor Jim Talmers brought down, there was no regional infrastructure funding. He took away the local Roads Community Infrastructure Fund, which I put in place as Deputy Prime Minister, and that gave counsels the autonomy to fix their roads, to make decisions based on local people's needs and wants and expectations and demands. All that money went and you know I didn't hear I didn't hear one commentator say this is a dreadful thing for
regional Australia. Thankfully, David Little Proud got up the Regional Australia Future Fund, which would have built up to twenty billion dollars and that was one of the arts that we did. Of the Liberal Party. I'm sure they probably would have gone along with it. But we will always proudly represent the regions. National Party will always that's our sole focus, obviously in the national interest, but this is
where the food and fiber is grown. This is where the resources are day up, which helps to keep the lights on, which helps to keep the balance of payments, and it's been neglected by labor. And if what we saw in the first three years was bad enough, it's going to be far worse in the next three years. And it's going to be far worse if the Liberals and Nationals don't get back together and get back together soon.
Good stuff, Thank you, Michael.
I appreciate the conversation, looking forward to it when times into the future, and say it to everyone not too far from the house.
Thank you.
Mate Michael McCormick there, of course, the former Nationals leader, former Deputy Prime Minister and a man who is well always there for his local community, obviously thinking about the national interest as well. Now one more thing before we get to our debate and conversation this evening, as always between our great mates from Membership and Stephen Conroy. History is written by the winners I mentioned before. We know
it to be the case. And there is a strange little ritual in Australian politics where the behind the scenes party boss gets to be a star for a day and they get to go to the National Press Club and talk about how awesome they are because they won the election or how we got cheated out because we've lost the election. Well, Paul Erickson is the bloke who, let's be honest, saved Anthony Alberici's backside because if he was listening to Murferu and all the rest of them,
will we know where that was heading. It's when he took over the messaging. He took over and started telling the Prime Minister what to do, where to be and how to drop the air support on top of it that things started to turn and of course it ended up the way that it did with a monster result. Now, I do not want to relive that moment like you. It ain't a pleasant experience. But when it is your day in the sun, sometimes they actually tell us a little bit more than they would normally tell us about
how they won. Now, yes, it's a long speech full of stuff that I will save you about the shopping list of stuff that we all heard during an election. But in the middle of the speech, and because you were working today you didn't get a chance to see it all, or maybe you saw like half a snippet somewhere today. I just wanted to show you the five reasons that the boss of the Labor Party thinks the Labor Party was able to win the election.
None of these.
None of these we're about conversations about whether the Liberal Party was too left or too right, all of that stuff.
Instead, let's go through them here. Number one.
Put simply, the campaign started at an event in Adelaide last year in November.
The campaign theme launched on three November twenty fourteen and the South Australian electorate of stir exactly six months before election day. In every electorate in every portfolio, our campaign would point to first term delivery and outline second term ambition and we would ensure that by May. The choice about which party would make you better off over the next three years was the central question in the election.
The second was the focus on media. Can now I'm showing you all of this not to feel the pain, to rub in the salt order, turn around and think or do something wrong here. I want you to know what they know, to see what they saw about their path to victory, and to see what that informs the decision making of the next three years about how to take on this government. Number two was to talk about Medicare, because they always talk about Medicare.
Was Medicare and our decision to put it at the heart of our campaign three months out from Poland Day.
When it came to the economy, he spent some time talking about how look basically the cost of living, Yes, central concern of Australians.
But if the Labor Party.
Had more on the table on that issue, and they certainly did in terms of number of offerings versus what the coalition was offering, then for that middle third of the country they would end up falling as they did towards Labor.
The third factor was the economy and Labour's ascendancy in the economic debate that was front and center in the campaign.
I observed earlier that Labour's.
Economic strategy got inflation down without paying for it with a recession and higher unemployment. In the campaign we were able to point to that record and highlight the contrast with a decade of coalition failure before that.
The Prime Minister was presenting himself as the happy warrior of the campaign. And as much as elections can be about the performance of the past three years, they are about the next three years.
The fourth factor in our win was the Prime Minister's performance. And while the Prime Minister was telling a positive story about who we are and where we're going, Peter Dutton was gloomy about the country, downcast about the future, and most animated when he was magnifying.
The problems facing Australia now.
Of course, interestingly interestingly, that feeds into what we have all known to be a central question of every election. When Ronald Reagan asked it about are you better off than four years ago? In terms of the United States, the Australian version was are you better off than you
were three years ago? But the Labor Party openly said today that they had been doing research about the past three years but also the three years before that, and that they were able to work out that there was no residual goodwill for the government that had been sacked in twenty twenty two. So therefore a promise to go back to some of the figures who of course had been removed from office in twenty twenty two was not going to be the proposition. Again, none of this is
fun for me to show you on TV. But it's not about happy talk. It's not about reading from the holy texts. It's about dealing with things as they are and when the person who beat you is telling you how they beat you, study them.
The Coalition believed that they could win the election by asking people whether they were better off today than they were three years ago, but looking back reminded voters of the Morrison government and Peter Dutton's track record, which was very weak territory for them. In November twenty twenty four, Peter Dutton's performance in the line ask Coalition government in our Poling was rated as poor by thirty seven percent
of voters. Only twenty seven percent rated it as good, and the performance of the Morrison government was rated as poor by forty one percent of voters. Only twenty five percent rated it as good.
That's why when the government changes, they spend so much of that first couple of years trying to blame the previous government, because they're trying to sault the earth to make sure that nothing can grow in its place, and that there is no residual goodwill for people to want to turn back to, and that of course we can't possibly change because we're only just getting started. More work
to be done, all the rest of it. Does this mean this is how the next election will go on, the one after that and the one after that.
No, of course not.
I haven't known any opposition to smilingly and happy worrying their way from opposition to government. But it is interesting how for that one day when they're in the sun, they tell us sometimes a little more than they would ever like to admit, which is why you pay attention, why you remember and compare the pair. The Labor Parties internal polling was talking about the performance of ministers in the previous government compared to people's perceptions of them.
Now.
The Liberal Party polling was telling them that they were going to win seats, not lose as many as they ended up losing. Now, I don't know how these things will run on the inside, but it seems to me one of the first rules of electoral fight club is get some polling information, some people who understand demographics and data, people who are able to continue that conversation, not just tell you what you want to hear or pretend because.
We won the voice will win the election. More in a sec here on Paul Maurray.
Life when you have one of these, the seconds before we come back from a breaker not pleasant for the people around you. I apologize, gentlemanly of me to be burping in the man cave, love you to see you hear. A man who would have much better manners than that is, of course, the wonderful Stephen Conroy. Labor to with bootstraps
and your joints. It's now from Melbourne, all right, lots to get to tonight, and I want to lean on your experience guys, not just sort of in the team Red TWM, Blue Stuff, but obviously the roles you've played in and around the Parliament and parties. Bromwin, I'm going to talk to you about the speaker days and how the new parliament works for the next three years, because
obviously there's a government, there's an opposition. Logically most number are in the government, second most is the opposition, and then there might be sort of a few down the bottom by the coalition now splitting kind of the same numbers, and then a cross bench which is not too far away from the same as those three in something like a question time, right, because it's really important when a government's on the ropes that an opposition can ask the
same question in four different ways to eventually put the pressure on. But when it all splits up like this, is it going to be you get a turn, then the government gets a turn, then they get a turn, then they get a turn. So essentially the official opposition that lives get a one in four question scenario.
Well, what happens is is the standing orders have to be negotiated between the manager of Opposition business and the leader of the government's Business, which is of course mister Burke, and make provisions for the cross bench to get the opportunity to ask questions, which of course will come largely at the expense of the opposition.
So does the National Party count as the cross bench in those considerations. Yes, so the cross bench is going to be very close to if I'm trying to do the numbers in mode.
Because they're a party and they've got a good number of people, I'll get more than say.
A single Green or Yes.
So do you see a scenario where again, I mean, you're negotiating with the person who's got ninety three seats versus you, Then basically it's going to be a version of take it or leave it. But is there a scenario where the decision to not be a coalition whoever made the decision, whyever made that decision, whatever pressure was on or not on them, reduces their number of questions to ask in any one question time.
Well, it will, because that's the way the negotiation will I can tell you that.
And then Stephen as a Bloker used to of course be in charge of the government in the Senate. When you're in a scenario here again where the National Party goes from five senators to four, meaning they're not technically referred to as a party anymore, does that change the way you have to interact with them in everyday parliament?
Well, look, always, if the National Party are willing to talk. You're always willing to enter into negotiations, and they may take a different perspective to the Liberals and a bill that Labor's putting forward if it's in the regional area. So you could see the potential in the right set of circumstances where you negotiate with the Nats deliberately to split them from the Libs and just show that that
divide continues to be real. But to the question you ask brom Win, the National Party have cut their own throat on this. They are now going to get barely a question in question time in either the Reps or the Senate. The Libs will take the majority, and then the Independence will get a group and the Nationals will
get a group. But that could be as low as four or five, maybe six questions a week, not a day a week, Whereas in the Reps, you know, you might let your shadow treasurer go and ask two or three, and then you might want your trade shadow to ask questions, which could be a national body and they might get to a three in a row, whereas now the bulk of the questions will go to the Liberal Party and then as will be genuinely a rump of questions and not able to prosecute a case because there'll be one
and then it'll be onto the teal and they'll be onto the Green. So the decision has so many ramifications in terms of staffing, and that is not insignificant. When you stop being a party you get much left staff and when you're not.
Part of the coalition.
I mean, yes, Susan Laigh will get this amount of staff based on the formula that they use, and she could choose to give the sum to the National Party, but given this circumstance, it's no, you're on your own. We'll take all these staff and put them into our pool. Well, and that's before you get to the positions and the money that comes with positions and that sort of stuff, just on the really important parts of of the grit that you need to be able to form a coherent opposition.
This is shooting both of them in the foot well.
One thing that I think if any, if any force pushes them back together, perhaps the experiences of.
Canberra in July for a couple of weeks in a new reality, they will force them back together.
It's just giving you the reasons why the coalition will come back together.
Yes, exactly. I agree.
All right, now, quick one here again before we get into what's probably going to be a little more disputed territory. The Senate count again, the final version of it will come up in the next few weeks, but they're now
into ninety three percent of the count. The only two things that will be of interest to the people watching right now, to good people watching right now, maybe who they've voted for in Queensland, where it looks like Malcolm Roberts gets the last spot but that's not one hundred percent locked because of quotas and all the rest of it.
And then the fight between One Nation and Lamby.
Now, what's fascinating here is the way that I read it is that if the Liberal Party basically doesn't get any more than where it currently is, they've got a big enough chunk to give to one Nation that gives them a total bigger chunk than what's left over from Labor and Jackie Lamby.
Am I right in my rougher view here?
Yes you are, and I must say there's been. The history of the account of the Senate is actually quite interesting. Once upon a time all the votes were not for the Senate. They used to take a sample vote sample and gains. And it was drummed into me that you must when you're on a Senate ticket, you had to tell everyone to vote the ticket and never vote for you because that would disadvantage your opportunity of getting elected because the votes aren't going to be counted. That's all
changed now all votes are actually counted. But I always thought it was amazing that was the system. So those fine balances of when the transfer of the balance of a quota goes over, it's going to be a very Tory experience.
It's incredibly typed, particularly in Tasmania. It is amazing how we have the big election. Yes, who's the prime minister? That matters, and we're all around for hours, sources all of that business. Right, But of course for something to become law, what happens upstairs and basically we just.
All wait until a computer turns up weeks later. All right, quick breakback.
When more it's important to notice is if one nation seeds go to one nation, they'll come at the expensive labor.
Correct.
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Stephen Connry is here with the wonderful Bromwin Bishop.
Now I've got a little more from Meghan Kelly in a second about old mate Joe Biden. Wow, I just love this one. Presidential health checks, right, they do them every year and they stand up there and they read every single their heart rate, this and the other. Oh but he has no PSA tested two. Okay, Now, Steven, we saw today the boss of the Labor Party standing out there day on the stage to say we're amazing we won. I tried to sort of push away as much of the stuff that was just repetition of what
we had heard during the campaign. I showed the five things that he says about how they won, which I think were instructive to learning.
Did you learn anything that you did not already know today?
Well, I only my admiration for Paul's campaign of you, tactics and implementation. As you said six months ago, they seted a plan, they devised what worked for Labor, what didn't work for Dutton, and they hammered him for six months. That is the art of successful politics. You have to over and over again send the message because not every Australian follows, you know, like you and I do. Paul bromwin every single newspaper every single day or online. You
have just got to keep repeating your messages. So just great admiration for the way there was a campaign set out, implemented and I followed through, enhanced them. And he was behind that entire strategy. And it's not easy to get politicians, you know, to pay attention when you try and try and try, so you know, hats off to him. He's a sensational national secretary and now he's run two successful campaigns.
But then was he too successful to put in the SENI? Is he?
Is he now too successful to make a senator? Because isn't that normally the payoff.
That is that that is often something that people respect and admire about a national secretary, and they do many of them for good reason, and Paul is absolutely in that category. Does just add one one senate? Yeah, the one senate? One I would add for exactly the same reason as you've just described. Is at the moment, Labor is ahead in Victoria's number three, people still going they're
going to win. But again on exactly the same basis, Paul, if you take the now growing surplus of the Libs added to one nation, take the trumpet of patriots added to one nation, and a couple of other of those smaller parties that added to one nation. Then one nation I think gets above our third Senate count. Now below the line.
Will be critical.
This is not a big big margin, but I think on the above the line, Paul in Hanson's tandorate does end up possibly above labors. But they're still a fair bit to happen.
Yeah, good point, watch that one too.
Yeah, all right, now, did we know about the Teals scenario here where lose one win one right in terms of Bradfield and Goldstein, But where they did try to have a little bite into labor they weren't successful, But that was in a place like Fremantle.
What about where they won and where they didn't tells you something about their future.
It tells me, and it tells me from being on booth and being out campaigning. What the Teals have done is gathered around them a lot of retired people who were very much like the people who were recruited as volunteers to the two thousand Olympics. Suddenly they were important, they had a mission. They put them in a shirt, they had a uniform, and they used to go out in groups and they were dead supper of what they were doing. And these are the same people who were
the essence. And those were liberal voters. I had people on booth and michaela say, wearing the teal t shirt. We used to vote for you, but now we wrote to her. Why well, because they feel loved and needed and wanted and important.
So you're taking about the individual support, that level of micro interest in the gifts.
And they go out and they have coffee together, and they meet together, and they go out and wave things up together. I perhaps did it a little differently. I used to do cake and coffee things, but that was that was different.
It was you would have tucked them into bed at night.
I know how you would have You're like Steven Stephen would have to tuck them into bed at night. He just would have stood on the front step and go, remember, I'm here, I know I know.
Where you are. Everyone okay, everyone in line? Good. Yeah. But that's a good message, though, you say, And it is.
The essence of what they're doing. Now. Just remember those people who are the volunteers in the Olympics. We're still having reunions ten years later. Yes, and the other thing is they're all in socioeconomic electrics that are well off, and they're the people they talk to.
Well, it sounds like all you've got to do is design a track suit and win them back.
Well, you've got to win them, but it doesn't just happen. You've got to work out.
Yes, I think it might be some distance. All right, nice to talk to you, but thank you very much to appreciate it. Thank you for any insights tonight. This is why I love about all the people that are part of.
The Pormriy life family.
They've been there, they've done that, they've seen it, and they can give us an insight into what's really going on. Fascinating that senate camping Victoria in double checking that with absolute interest. Maybe two senators when it comes to one nation fascinated, maybe three we'll find out together. All right, Quick break back with more Meghan Kelly a bit more
about Biden's book. Make sure you check out Meghan Kelly's a show on YouTube because she absolutely rips into one of the authors of that book about Joe Biden, Jack Tapper, about how he was part of basically the media cover up.
But now that the book is.
Had there's a whole bunch of gioc details about just how the sort of a live corpse of the former president was being propped up with plans for the election and the years after.
Three or four cabinet secretaries who made clear to the authors Joe Biden was not capable of taking the three am phone call. He was not capable, and they knew it. They knew it. They talked about how you mentioned it in part before he had this degenerative spine condition which was crippling him and he was headed for a wheelchair. They lied intentionally told everybody that it was a limp because he wasn't wearing his orthopedic boot from a foot
fracture that had happened a while ago. Was an open lie. They did it to make him look better than he was.
She is a rock star. I don't know that there is always there's always plenty of people who would love to say.
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