I'm the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live. OHI thank you very much for watching this Wednesday. What a show I've got for you tonight. The pettiness of Albo is on display every day, but today in particular in Parliament it's fight night when it comes to debate time. Stephen Conroy, Bromwin Bishop and the best in the business, the wonderful Megan Kelly joins us from the United States. But first, something that is rare. Let us begin with some good news. Now, as we know, September the first
means the end of winter. But there's a chance. According to Bureau, and they always get it right, don't they, that next week is going to be a lot warmer than it traditionally is some hot August nights. As Neil Diamond once Sang will be on their way next week. Bring it on. You know that Super Cuty, the teenage Australian who won gold at the Olympic Games. And after winning gold at the Olympic Games in skateboarding, all she wanted was a duck.
You have to ask for my parents if I like one, was if I could get a pet duck, because duck's a really cute, and I really wanted a pet duck.
Well, thanks to the good people, the breakfast team of the entire radio station of Triple Him on the Gold Coast today she got a duck. Oh you want a duck.
So we thought you'll bring you some ducks.
Holy duck, there's more duck.
Now we know you're not allowed to keep a duck right now because you're about to head on bods, No.
One of these you're putting the overhead locker.
Why did you want to duck?
Because I've been wanting one since I was like really younger and then they're really cute and I just love animals.
I told you it was good news. My thoughts are with who have has to clean that studio? Well, anyway, congratulations. The third bit of good news is Donald Trump is bouncing back. There's lots of different bits of data, but there's also a pep in this step. Let me explain now, as we all know, we love the dancing Donald, but the dancing Donald hasn't been around for a little while. You know, getting shot at might slightly change you. But as you know, the Democratic National Committee is taking place
as we speak. A giant advertorial, a giant yawn a giant. Yeah, guess what surprise surprise. Barack Obama says, hopes back, and Michelle Obama says, Trump's racist blah blah blah. But frankly, this thing has really I mean, these people are now so arrogant, so arrogant that they think they're going to slam dunk this thing that they're now basically doing I'm sorry, dick jokes and making references that they hope that the Republican vice presidential candidate someone in his family gets raped.
This weird obsession with crowd sizes Jennie Vance calls pregnancy resulting from rape inconvenient.
Inconvenience is traffic.
I mean, it is me to go through this.
These people are sick. What the suggestion that his wife or his kids or somebody is just that's as low as they are, right. Oh, but they're the compassionate people, the joyful people, the freedom people, the people who are all United police. These are dirty players like anyone else in politics, but this particular generation of people running the
Democratic Party as dirty as they have ever been. Remember, they were ruthless enough to get rid of a president, not because he was melting before all of our eyes, but because he wasn't going to win and power is more important than principle, despite the fact that, of course they always say principle is more important. But also for the media, it's an opportunity for them to basically hang
with their mates. This is a home game. This is then covering their favorite football team going into a Grand final.
The Democrats should be congratulated for this night.
It was well produced. It's done the impossible every time because he's been great every time and then finds a way to be great again. That's different. It's one of the best conventions and speeches I've ever seen by anybody in any circumstance. Yawn. But guess what. The numbers don't lie, and fewer people are watching this one than the last time because of course, COVID meant they had to keep Joe in the basement, which meant no convention in twenty twenty.
So with let's compare it to twenty sixteen, twenty million watch on the first night, great cool, thirty something minion watch a football game, thirty something medi inm watch the Olympics. So it's a good number. It's not amazing, but it is down. It's DOWND by almost a quarter when Hillary
was the absolute golden child of presidential politics. But talking about the low road, and I'll get to the good news, but the low road that these people take on their way to saying vote for us because we're better people. In one of the many hype videos about how evil and ugabuger Donald Trump is, there was this reference to Jeffrey Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein. Oh, there you go. Did you miss it? Just a little clip? Oh, there he was. He was associated with Jeffrey Epstein. And remember evil, awful
Jeffrey Epstein. Well, what I find particularly despicable about this is that if any proximity to Jeffrey Epstein, knowing or unknowing to the other behaviors happening in Jeffrey Epstein's life is a reason why someone should certainly not be the president, but certainly gets put into the bad person category. Could somebody explain to me how a bloke who didn't just fly on Jeffrey Epstein's plane the low lead to express but according to people who worked there, he went to
Jeffrey Epstein's Ireland. Bill Clinton is going to be the major speaker in the next twenty four hours. It is a disgrace what they forgive when it comes to this bloke. Meghan Kelly on that and a lot more in a set.
To me, this is so stupid, especially when you have Kamala Harris running on. I know the sexual predator type. Trust me, when I see Donald Trump, I've dealt with his tape before. You're having his type speak at your convention on Wednesday night.
Seeing its sister, Seeing its sister, It is amazing the free passes that they give themselves while turning around and plant claiming that the people who have done far less than they have done are of course the evil, awful deplorables, et cetera, etc. So what did I say today? The third part of the good news was what's happening in and around Trump? Now, Yes, we meet here in the middle of August. There are many weeks, many months before
the presidential election formally takes place. The first Tuesday in November will be in the United States when that takes place. Well, it's because the old Trump seems to be back, the one that's very quick on his feet. You see, while they were doing the dick jokes today at the Democratic National Committee, he was going to places to talk about law and order because for a huge number of Americans
it's the number one issue. It's certainly something that has gotten worse under Democrat control, as governors or people like Kamala Harris try to bail people out after getting involved in riots. But what is amazing is how they tried to make it seem like this wasn't an event about law and order, it was an event about white supremacy. The Reuters News agency was the one who decided to run with this that Trump pushes tough on crime agenda
with town with historic links to white extremism. The suggestion that Howell in Michigan, which way back when had some connection, if not was very significant connection to the KKK. That
there's a secret message being sent through the television. So somebody decided to ask Donald Trump about this very thing, and Donald had perhaps the best answer he has had all year, and spiking the ball right back down the throat of the regime media that are trying to pretend that an announcement about law and order is secretly about the KKK. This was brilliant.
Thank you for.
This who was here in twenty twenty one, Thank.
You, Thank you everybody, that's what we want. Boom. But that's not just the only reason why those of us would like to see Trump win Harris lose. Are feeling a little better tonight than maybe even twenty four hours ago. Who knows what will be in a week's time. I know there are plenty of people on the incidet who sort of take the little thing and say, see they
were wrong on this. No middle of August. Who knows what's happening tomorrow, But tonight, according to the bookies, Trump used to be way up in terms of the chance of winning the presidency when it was Biden, and then he went well, way down, but certainly under fifty percent. Well, apparently what Kamala Harris is being embraced by all and sundry.
Guess what is happening. The money is moving Trump's way now again, anything below say fifty five or above fifty five is a coin toss, But the coin toss at this stage tonight would fall Trump's way. Now, this is extraordinary because I went looking for hang on, well, what's the evidence here? Did you? Some Republican billionaire put a lot of money on to try to change the odds, to change the narrative people do that stuff. Well, actually, let's say let's have a look at the key states
that matter, those swing states. Now, remember, essentially, for Trump to win, he's got a win Pennsylvania, He's got a win Georgia, he's got to win Arizona. It'd be nice to have Nevada. Now, the most recent five poles in the state of Pennsylvania, they go from Harris having a big lead to Trump having a little lead and holding it. But that's multiple poles in a row, all taken last weekend.
What about in Georgia were either it was a tie, Harris a little bit up, Trump a lot up, back to a tie, and then the lefty New York Times pole says that Trump is back way up in Arizona. When Harris had just taken over there, it was a little lead for her at two points, but then Trump up by three, up three, and yes, not up by much, but still up by one in Arizona. So Nevada again,
all of these poles since the change of candidate. It was Harris up by two, but then it was Trump by three, Trump by three, and then Trump by one. So again we are where we are tonight right now, sitting together on the twenty first of August Australian Eastern Standard time. But the bookies say that he is a slight favorite to win the pole. Show how he could do it. His attitude today in front of the reporters was the guy who people fell in love with in
Siek and thought so hard for in twenty twenty. But there may be a huge boost which is bigger than the money and bigger than the polls. Rfk Jor originally a lifelong Democrat who at one point tried to take on Joe Biden, but essentially they, according to him, rigged the primary, so he was pushed aside. He ended up running as an independent. He's had great difficulties getting onto as many state ballots as possible. The Democrats to this very minute are trying to sue to get him off.
But his vice presidential pick did a podcast in the past twenty four hours and she's now saying we have two options. One we stay in the race Harris could win, or we get out and we backed Trump and we beat Harris.
There's two options that we're looking at, and one is staying in forming that new party, but we run the risk of a Kamala Harris, Kamala Harris and Waltz presidency because we draw votes from Trump, or we draw some how more votes from Trump, or we walk away right now and join forces with Donald Trump.
Now without boring him and showing you too much of the detail. When Biden was the candidate, basically two thirds of the support for Kennedy was Democrats. When there was a change to Harris, most of those people started to go back towards the Democrats, and that's how she got into a position of being slightly above, slightly below, but
basically back where the generic Team Blue was. So currently Kennedy has about again two thirds of support that traditionally would come from Trump, one third left from the Democrats. So in races that are down to one or two points, five points up for grab in Arizona, four in Georgia, six in Michigan, five in Nevada, four in North Carolina, if it followed that sixty forty split, it would put Trump not just a little in the lead, but way
back in the lead. Not as full on as he was when it was Biden, but we would be back to a race where Trump was in front and it was still Trump's to lose as opposed to what we are being told day in, day out, narrative, narrative, narrative because hardcore Democrats all decided to meet in one room for four days, that that's three hundred million Americans. It ain't. And while fewer people may be watching it on television,
plenty of other people will be watching it online. But those people too, by their millions, watching Trump doing interviews all over the place, and they are waiting potentially to see Robert Kennedy give them the green light to back Trump. If that's the case, it's not just game on. Trump's back in the lead. But it is the middle of August. We will all wait and see what happens. Megan Kelly in a few minutes time back here though, Oh the Teals, look,
spare me the teal tears. Okay, now you may well have seen in the past twenty four hours, Treaty Macintosh from our Canbe Bureau went and had a look at how often the Teals end up voting with the Greens in the Parliament. Unsurprisingly, for a lot of them, it's a lot of the time.
Your voting record is those Tom's pointed out sixty six percent on coalition motions Labor fifty two, Greens thirty. It was quite different than some of the other cross benches. Sophi Scomps, she was the highest amongst teals voting with the Greens motions.
And you see, with the exception of Rebecca Sharky, who is not a teal, the rest of them were in the high fifties or the low sixties, or even some in the mid sixties. So when that story was out and about to stop it from being able to be yet another truth about the cashed up Greens who pretend to be former Liberals despite the factor by their own admission they very rarely, if ever, have voted for the Liberal Party in the past few years, that they are
the place for the disaffected Liberals to come. It's just new face on the Greens, another option on the left. Well, today the tears were out and about trying to change the subject from their voting record, and much of the media help them do this because they were out and about talking about just how tough and terrible parliament is, about how awful and evil and adversarial and yelly and code blokey Parliament is.
Mister Dutton recently name calling labeling denigrating words in the media is unacceptable.
To call colleagues idiots is unacceptable.
I'm told I need to toughen up.
I'm pretty tough.
And as others have said, some who have been in this place too long, who I think have lost touch with what is acceptable behavior outside this place, and think that because you describe this place as a bubble, somehow it condones a different standed of behavior.
It doesn't please. This passive aggressive garbage works because there are plenty of people inside the media who want politics to look a lot more like the Teals than it currently does with the Liberal Party or the Labor Party or anyone else. But the reality is that Australia does not think like the Teals all right, It just doesn't now the parts of Australia that they represent, well, we know that pretty much they line up and most likely
will back them at the next federal election. But for the extreme majority of Australians who do not live in those parts of Australia, we have a different view of their new cool brand of politics, which, by the way, when they want to, it's okay if they yell in the Parliament or they abuse people in the parliament.
Put your masks on from repeated infection. Order we hurt you in silence.
You can hear me in silence.
Order stop being racing. Seriously, Jane him who's doing her best to try to take on the Teals, particularly in Victoria. They'll be hard to move because they they are of the left. Much of Victoria increasingly, certainly the wealthier bits is of the left. She calls it exactly as I do, which is this is a stunt. This is garbage, and I'll give you the proof of why it's garbage.
Next, we should make sure that this is one safe space where you can have as robust debate as you need, because that's what the country deserves. This sounds to me like a political stunt, potentially done for electoral convenience because the Teals have run out of an agenda.
Good work, Love you, l J. But the real reason they ended up talking about this today, apart from changing the subject on how they're actually voting and whom they are voting within the Parliament, is that the government is already addressing parliamentary behavior. In fact, they have introduced a piece of legislation to the Parliament this week about the
standards of Parliament. So they're either trying to pretend that because of us they've brought this legislation in, or they're trying to pretend here's the problem, and then magically we get to own the solution. Federal MPs could be fined up to five percent of their salary and kicked off powerful parliamentary committees and even suspended from Parliament on new
laws to be introduced by the federal government. These codes set out expectations for behavior, including requirements to foster respectful and inclusive workplaces and a prohibition on bullying, harassment, sexual harassment, and assault and discrimination. Okay, fine, no one has a problem with any of that. Now. This is of course, not about what happens in question time, not about what happens in parliamentary debate. It's about what happens behind the scenes,
what happens in the offices. And of course, as we have shown you, while the left and dominant and narrative and access medias would all like to pretend it's, oh, it's all one party with a problem, there was, of course, at the very height of all things to do with what was happening behind the scenes in parliament. A couple of years ago, a bunch of brave women I think it was fifty five of them who came forward to talk about the culture ins either Labor party.
Now.
Of course, no one lost their job, no one followed up, There was no special four corners investigation on all of this. But if the laws had been put in place the governor is now wanting for the workplace, there would be many, many current and former labor MPs that may will find themselves on the wrong side of this. I have to say current or former, because we've never been told whether the fifty five staffers were talking about people who are in the Parliament now or formerly, how high in the
ranks or how lowly in the backbenches. But remember they said this. He is a man who punches the wall next to a female staffer's head, calling her when she passes news on that he doesn't want to hear. He is a man who calls his female colleague a pig dog when she disagrees with him, and says in front of all of the staff, that's why no one wants to He is a married man who plied a young woman with drinks until she had no idea what was happening.
He promised others at the gathering that he would get her home safely, but before putting her into a cab, he had sex with her with no ability to consent. Now, isn't it interesting that the Teals, of course, want to pretend for all of the reasons, which is, we exist because we are what the Liberal Party could and should be, despite the fact that generally speaking, most of their voters
of people have never voted Liberal in their life. Zally Stagger, by her own admission, had said that she had not voted Liberal in all the time that she had been in the electorate, which meant she didn't even vote for Malcolm Turnbull when she had the opportunity. Well, of course, the only way they get into Parliament is with the preferences of Greens and Labor. You see, if you actually have a look, there are some of the Teals which
have a primary vote which is in the forties. Those people are, in terms of the results, people who have got a strong claim to being somebody who truly represents a movement in their electorate. Otherwise it's a maths game. Now the seat of North City is about to disappeared. Only a quarter of people actually voted for the Teal less than thirty percent, for the one in Western Australia just over a third of people in the seat of
Goldstein and in Wentworth again just over a third. So they will take the preferences of the people whose former staffers, fifty five of which have listed all of their behavior. They stay in a media cycle by pretending that it's only a Liberal Party problem because there is a media that wants to push that narrative. Why because the Liberal Party has a problem with women. Why do they want to push that narrative right now? Because in the two party preferred right now in the polls, more women are
backing the Liberal Party than the Labor Party. Olbo has been all over the place for the past couple of weeks in parliament. Now I don't know what he assumed this two weeks was going to be about. But Australians well, so many have had enough. It's no surprise that I've
never had stocked for this bloke. And now, according to the resolved political monitor in the City Morning Herald, the Age, Brisbane Times, all the other nine years papers, fifty one percent of Australian So the Prime Minister's performance is poor or very poor. Only a third of the country says
good or very good. Perfect example about how this Prime Minister gets things wrong but also likes to rub the noses in it of the people who dare stand in his way was an event last night in Canberra, a black tie event allegedly in support in terms of the Prime Minister's attendance of the agriculture We decided to make a joke making reference to a decision that his own government had made that is going to bankrupt people in agriculture,
particularly in Western Australia. I'm talking, of course about the ban on live exports, huge issue in Western Australia, so much so that even the Teal in Western Australia who was for it is now against it. Western Australian farmers are mighty pissed. And remember this is a government which is staring down the barrel of a minority government. And if they're able to move a lot of seats in Western Australia, they're going to need an awful lot of
people on the cross bench to stay in power. The farmers have promised they are going to fight and fight like Helen as well they should, so understandably, there were people who were deeply offended by a Prime minister who stood up in front of some of them just last night and made a joke that rubbed their nose in their businesses being canceled.
When we had been a beautiful Australian beef. Are not the live expert. We've made sure it.
Was dead, Yeah, we made sure it was Yeah. We know. We saw the vote and the farmers are fired up and even the teal who was for it is now against it. There is a great fear about what politically this is going to mean in Western Australia watch this space. But he's there in the little bubble, protected by so many others who think doesn't matter, mate, no matter what happens, you'll still be the PM. Sure to be a minority government,
but don't worry. Lives no chance, lives no path. Well, of course in question time this bloke is nowhere to be seen on the fundamental issues right now about the vetting that goes into the types of people that come into the country and from where they come. Question of the question of the question, clear answer after answer after answer. P week, Will the Prime ministers admit that this visa for Volte scheme was only done to shore up votes
in the seats of Watson, McMahon and Black. Slam It doesn't this go to his true character?
Mister, Why is Australia heading our tourist visits to gardens from the terrace controlled warzone in an average of twenty four hours and in some cases as quickly as one hour, while bypassing all the usual checks, including those the former coalition government used in Syria? Will the Prime mister admit that the government's visa for vote scheme was only done the shore up boats and the seats of Watson, McMahon and Blacks.
This arrogant, clueless, weak and rattled Prime Minister is now breaking glass in case of emergency. Like all governments when they have no defense, he trots out exactly what they always trot.
Out under visited versus from when they were in government, as the previous government did under the previous government.
Oh, we won't talk about our responsibility, our systems, our choices. Let's find a way to pretend that somehow it's the Liberal Party's fault. What's happening right now?
And Mark Riley is also report on Channel seven that Hamas didn't take over the occupied Palestinian territories in the Gaza Strip since October seven. They are actually there beforehand when those opposite were granting eight thousand a thousand visitor visas from people from the occupied Palestinian territories.
The arrogance of this bloke always on display and again trying to pretend nothing to see here when there's plenty to see here in what Australian sea they don't like, No wonder fifty one percent of the country very poor when it.
Comes to that bloke.
As we foreshadowed last night, it did big decisions about to be made when it comes to aged care, where more people are going to have to pay more of their own money, principally to stay in their own home. When it comes to home care, all yes to go into aage care facilities. Excellent reporting which has been done in the Financial Review over many months here is worth referring to. With Philip Koree in particular. Remember he told you that this was due to come in January, then
got delayed. Well, he's got some of the details of the negotiations happening inside the Financial Review. Was revealed that one of the proposals put to the Opposition during their negotiations was to lift the lifetime contributions cap for residential care from the current level of seventy six to one hundred and ninety thousand. So the most you'd have to pay seventy six thousand, and well that would go up
to one hundred and ninety thousand. The cap would be abolished all together for home care, meaning there would be no limit on how much you may have to pay to try to stay in your home. And remember half of four people with access to age care receive it in the home via the home option. The Coalition balked at the idea. It's understood the government has wound some of these changes back significantly to secure a deal, but we don't know what that number is. We don't know
who this applies to. Watch and see huge story developing as we speak right now in Camber. Don't be distracted by there or anyone else's bs. Another thing this week has been again the government making curious decisions, but we all know why they're making certain decisions. There was a gold mine which was due to start in New South Wales, but of course the discovery of sacred sites in and around this area meant that of course it was knocked on the head. But a site that is almost ten
times the size of this has been approved. But I don't understand how when the map that is currently in the Museum of Australia that shows us the indigenous nations all prior to why arrival seventeen seventy would suggest that there's not a part of the country that does not have some sort of emotional or sacred connection. But if you want to put solar panels on land, that will be the best part of what ten times more, well,
that's completely okay by this government. If you want to have a gold mine and part of the gold mine may have some disruption to part of the water flow and are not acceptable if it has too many cables connected to it. Not acceptable if you want to put a giant solar farm in the middle of the Northern Territory, because that's what a bidin there is asking you to do. Guess what, Dick. The development of the area of the Nissawa's mind was about eleven hundred hectares, it's eleven kilometers
and that was significant aboriginal area. But the sun cable twelve thousand hectare or one hundred and twenty kilometer solar farm apparently will not disturb any cultural so do we have to look at the map again. There is a lot to get to, including MP's behavior, teal tears, and what's going on in America. Lots to get to. Fight Night begins next with Bromin, Bishop and Stephen Conroy. Then Megan Kelly, I'm glad you're watching. Don't go anywhere. You're
gonna love Tonight show? All right, Fight Night, Wednesday Night. Let's get just to night. You took your distance back. I appreciate that. Let's get into it right now. Carry over Champ as always is Bromwin, Bishop and in the other court and other than the man who's just here to help, which is why he's in Canberra trying to write their best gags he can for Anthony Alberanezi at agricultural events is none other than the onond of all
Stephen Conroy. So let's get into the visa fight here where Bromwin, it is amazing that the government is on the stickiest of sticky paper here. It is by their own actions they have not found the way to pivot like we have talked about in the parts a week or so where the Libs have been able to get one hundred percent about vetting instead. Literally today in question time it was all I know you are, but what am I?
Unfortunately, what is happening here is that Albanezi and his ministers, who are under threat at risk, are prepared to sacrifice the strata's security and proper vetting for votes and that is despicable, quite frankly.
So we're in a scenario where what's the number, but the seven thousand have been rejected but the government accepted, well that's it. But the government tries to turn around and say, oh, that process works. But as they admitted today, the process that is playing out is hardly the highest possible bar to get people into the country.
They don't want the HASSLVA. They want the quickest way they can get in there to meet the demands of the leaders of the Muslim vote movement so that they can and hopefully get their second preferences. I guess where they're running candidates or not to run and them.
Because Stephen, the issue is is that even if you would disagree with every word that Robin has just said, Australia is taking a seemingly disproportionate number of people from guards are compared to other countries. Now, there are reasons why the Arab League has made the decisions it has about the countries in and around, but in terms of places like Spain, the UK, the US, our number is way higher and it feels like the government is on the stickiest of sticky paper. Why can't they get off it?
Well, firstly, not surprising. I don't agree with any of the quite frankly wildly rabid suggestions logical.
There's nothing logical.
Contribution, you have no facts, you have no acts to support a.
Single We've seen in the Parliament every day.
Rabbit opinion, your rabbit opinion. So just to move on for a.
So why can't they get conversation help?
Look, they've been the government have wanted to and I think firstly, Peter up and I think has correctly just slightly walked back when he addressed his room meeting this week. So I think that was the correct decision. You and I talked about that last week. So I think he's taken away the major boneus contention around where he went. Now we're down a question of the visa processing and whether or not the government have been too fast. So the government have rightly said we are prepared to take
some refugees. We're not taking tens of thousands were I've not been critical of the size or the lack of size. I'm not passing judgment on that, but they've made the decision.
There are some citizens who of Gaza who should be.
Able to come to Australia, and now part of the exit process is that they seek the government seeks advice from the Israeli government, and nobody gets through without the Israeli government, and their process is giving some advice to our government because by definition we're not on the ground, so we turn to the people who perhaps would know the best, which is the Israeli government. So the people that have made it through some of the process have also made it through an Israeli government.
Vet. But what the fashion that you just have, because again it feels like they don't want to say something around this.
Well, look, I.
Haven't watched Question Time today, I haven't seen where where the debate moved to.
But those are just the facts.
This idea that's been put forward by the coalition that purely and simply they're.
Just opening the door letting them all in.
Well, firstly, quite I think the majority haven't even made it into the country. Some have correctly been rejected, and I think that was at seven thousand, the number that you said seven thousand have been rejected.
So this is not some free for all. There is a betting process.
That was admitted today Paul, that much of it is automated.
It's not correct, it's not it's not the.
Traditional proper vetting that has gone on historically. And basically they've been given tourist visas not to come and look at thee the Opera house unless it was to look at the place where the riots took place.
Well, and and the government's own admission is because that's a faster process, but that's not a tourist visa is.
Not in Australia.
Is interesting, correct.
So the reason is you're asking why are they're on the sticky PA is because there's a cover up going on. Percent there's stuff they simply don't either admit to or disclosed it.
Well, because Stephen to me again, right, if the Prime Minister believes that everything that is being done is the right thing to do, give a speech, walk out in front of a press conference and go all right, here's how this works everyone. Let me explain the process. All right, here's the flow chart from here to here to here to here to hear. None of that's a state secret because, as you say, some of that information being shared with
with other countries, other processes. Then turning around and say, by the way, about a meeting with this bloke, that bloke, that person to work out how to make sure that it's the safest process possible. But he's not doing that, and that's because he's surrounded by a bunch of people, including the people that report on this, who are all saying, mate, it's just it's only a Sky News primetime thing. No normal person seeing this. You and I both know plenty
of normal people. Plenty of normal people see this one.
No.
I mean this is This is an issue which has caused Labor in the past significant electoral damage, and so finding the best way through is what Labor is attempting at the moment now. As you know, Paul, in the past, I've been very critical of key officials who work inside Home Affairs and immigration, and my understanding is this will quite a shock, is they haven't actually known the answer
to a range of these questions. So one of the dangers if you're a politician, is if the Department gives you wrong or partially correct or accidentally wrong.
Information, and it can be any of the above.
And the Minister goes out and gives a sort of speech that you're given Well, the consequences because of the Department has given you incorrect information are quite severe for the minister.
Are you and really suggesting the department setting him up?
Saying the Department don't.
Come off it. They should be able to know.
Perhaps you didn't know, Paul, I repeat my understanding from behind the scenes is the Department haven't known all these answers, and so it is very dangerous to mislead Parliament and it is very.
Way happen. Yeah, all right, Okay, there's other stuff and it's I'm not shutting it off, so please don't send
me that complain emails. I just want to get to other stuff as well on top of this before we get to meet and Kelly, we just happen to have a former Speaker of the House here, We happen to have a significant combatant from the labor side when it comes to the Senate, right, the MP behavior stuff trying to essentially make an MP responsible for everything that happens inside their office because to some degree they are a boss of all of those people, yet they don't necessarily
employ them because it's the finance to part up all of this stuff. We know it's going to happen here. I for the Libs vote against us, then they're voting for the horrible thing, so most likely they're going to wigh this thing through. How do you think this works
in practice? Because if somebody complains to the person who doesn't actually about the behavior of the person who doesn't actually pay them, and it's a one judge panel, that's most likely going to find on the side of the complainert and you end up with a red card career over right.
Well, it's very curious, I think to combine members and senators together with non members and senators in the same organization. There is the Privileges Act, and it's a very serious privileges process is a very serious process, and that's where if a complaint is made, it's up to the presiding officer in whichever chamber to make a decision as to whether there's a primer facy case to refer it to the Privileges Committee. And individuals have the right to submit
to the Privileges Committee as well. This proposal talks about three commissioners or semi commissioners or something who will make a decision and then they will report members or Senators, as I understand it, to the Privileges Committee, which then in a sense take to why the presiding officers role it currently exists. Now, it's important to know that the Parliament is the master of its own destiny and for that not to be the case means that you don't get full and free exchange of ideas.
Yes, so I.
Think to see how it's going to work in practice, I'm not really very sure at all, but no doubt there'll be some debate about it. Now the Jenkins Report has to be taken seriously, yes, And at the moment if someone makes a complaint, they make it to Finance and they put up a case as to why they should get compensation, and lots of people have well.
And also under the Jenkins reforms, in many, if not all workplaces, it's two years retrospective and you're able to bring something up within two years or whatever the incident was in a place like Parliament House where there's going to be a lot of people moving around, and a lot of different reasons why people sometimes want to go after people. I'm fascinated about just how this is going to work against Stephen. We want a safe, responsible workplace.
I'm not finding some sort of dog whistle for you know, let's go back to the eighties here, But it feels like what the intention may be, which way will be fine and good and great, But this is a place where when the consequences are for whatever reason, you end up having some sort of emotional bust up with the staffer, and then the staffer within two years of leaving your office, turns around and says, oh, I used to throw this, that and the other, and as soon as you get
a red card, you're done. You're gone.
Look, I think that you're correct for Jenkins report, and Bromwin was correct. Needs to be taken very seriously. There is no easy solution to this. I think I'm not as convinced as Bromwin, having not been a presiding officer, that the decision rests with should rest with the presiding officer. I'm more come or with the process being proposed. I'm very concerned about the vexatiousness question, but there's one aspect.
It's often lost because of the House of Reps.
Is not often in very close to a minority governed, or one vote difference. In the Senate, many many votes are decided by what one vote. Many pieces of legislations decided by one vote. The idea that you can suspend somebody can easily be weaponized along the way, and so.
I'm uncomfortable with that aspect.
The fines, the penalties, no problem, but the removing an elected representative from the parliament is actually concerning when it comes to legislative outcomes.
Yeah, one hundred percent, guys appreciate it. Fascinating to how the chet Let's have another one next week. Looking forward to it. All, right, but we need to talk about with Megan Kelly straight up to the brakes. She's very fine, up to right, very fine. The Democratic National advertorial is taking place in Chicago right now. A person who, like the rest of us, is rolling her eyes but has to pay attention because that's kind of the job. Wonderful
making Kelly in the United States rockstar. How but let's talk about what's happening outside of the venue. Because the protesters addressed as either abortion pills, or people who say that Joe Biden and Kamala Harrison killers and should.
Go to hill.
So it's just your average Democratic national convention where you could kill your baby or kill your balls with a visectomy in like a to go truck, you could you could swing by the days of rage Palestinian protesters who are promising to entice the police into fighting so badly that they wind up with bruises as they're back to school outfits, so they're having themselves a normal one. So far inside the arena, we have Joe Biden telling us he's not angry at all.
Angry, and so all of his.
Body language and tone suggests that he's a very angry man. And we know why they shoved him out of this role. I would have done it myself if I had been a Democrat. I did not think he could do it four more years. I don't blame them for shoving him out, but he was shoved out, and now they want to pretend that it was voluntary. And you have crazy, crazy Nancy Pelosi with her Joe biden Stein gooed Joe.
Meanwhile, she was one of suck the knife and twisted it.
There's no person more responsible for asking him than Nancy, But she wants us to believe she's totally teamed Joe and she praised every night.
Their relationship is still in tech. The whole thing is.
Just debauchery and fraud. That's what I've seen so far, just the celebration of killing babies in the womb. And this is again not a pro choice, pro life comment. It's if you pro choice, that's fine, but you shouldn't be out there celebrating the murder of your child.
Killing of your child.
At least normal people know abortion is at least the ending of a potential life.
To be very charitable to the pro choice side, to be out there.
Celebrating its dressed up what's nest like, dressed up like a little scalpel and walk down like with the little remains. I mean, it's just in such bad taste to be marching around Chicago as an abortion pill. And they want us to believe that they're the pro family party. So we're going to celebrate abortions, and we're going to celebrate vasectomies, and then we're going to swing by the Palestinian protesters who are throwing bloody shoes in the faces of Joe
Biden and Kamala Harris pictures. So I don't know what they're really trying to telegraph other than very extreme.
What's your sense about where the protests go? Because my thought was that if it was the issue, that that Joe Biden would be sort of the not where they were most angry, because this was the person who's in office right now. But do you think that they are going to ramp it up and some of the knots that was on display in day one by that final die because they clearly want the nine and sixty eight moment.
I want the moment, as you say, to get into the fought with police to remind people, hey, you know, done full for the donefold full of the lawns, stay angry. Do you think that they'll remind what I currently owe? There is a die of crazy coming this week.
Well, we heard that they were going to go at it their hardest the first night, and the fourth night, the night that Joe Biden was speaking, and then the night that Kamala Harris is speaking. And if last night is any indicator, eh, yeah, really not a news story. Yeah, slightly annoying. You didn't really like make a lot of news headlines. Not that I'm looking for them too, I'm just saying this was their promise, then it didn't really happen.
And honestly, like the mayor of Chicago is a far left socialist, but my money is usually on the Chicago PD.
I lived in Chicago for five years.
The Chicago p D does not f around, and I would be shocked if they were not able to handle this influx of protesters who have been there for quite some time. I was just in Chicago last October and they were out there. Then this is post the Israel responds, I mean the attack on Israel and then the Israeli response, and they were all over the place and the Chicago
PD had them well in hand. So if they managed to escalate to the point where they lose control, you know, law enforcement, I'd be shocked.
Now, you know, the all of these parties when they have their conventions, we all know that it's not really about anything serious. It's just about the fields, the vibe, and we know that the vibe has got them to a place where maybe they're winning. But on the issues which remained, things like the economy, in immigration that ain't budging no matter what has happened with the froth and bubble of it all, and she made a massive strategic mistake on Friday when she came out with what was
allegedly economic policy. But you know, the establishment people of the New York Times and the Washington Post went, yeah, this is garbage. Let alone people who know even more about it, who say yeah, this is garbage. And then in one of the you know, I think grand total of ten minutes where she's been off the teleprompter, she says,
ord'll the store pay for itself. I reckon that if people were sitting and waiting for the wobble of who has she changed from what she was, we have seen no. And in the period of time after the advertorial to the debate, she's in a world of trouble when it's talking about the number one issue.
The economy.
Right, she got panned from the left and the right on what was universally cried as gimmicks, a gimmicky speech on Friday about how she, with the hand of the federal government, is going to single handedly change.
Prices at the grocery store.
Meanwhile, the grocers generally have a one percent profit margin. How is she going to stop them? From their price gouging make them operate at a loss. That's not what's going to happen. Her infletion is what's caused increased prices at the grocery store and the gas pump.
And she's trying to dodge.
It by saying it's these evil, corporate, greedy people who are trying to exploit the poor working class. That's not what happened. They spent too much The Fed printed too much money, and they drove up the cash influx in the economy, which leads to Inflation's that's what we're dealing with over here. And she can blame it on the evil, corporate, greedy people all she wants, but there's only so much she could clip the wings of the grocers without making groceries disappear.
Lovely, Not to talk to you, all right, See next week.