From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live. I thought about that in real term, Taylor. Of course he's not a hecklet.
I thought it was a fund thing to say, even though I'm in a completely different location than he is, in the secret location that is the man Cave. So do you think all of our those prayers have come true since.
Going to the Pope?
Like, not only did he go, oh look in our ninety something seats. Let's get the coalition to bust itself up on that front. David Little Proud, the only interview who is doing tonight is here on PALMRI Live. Speak to him in a couple of moments' time. Also, the Joe Biden health cover up, a man who of course
has presidential health care. It's up there with the King of England about how often they're checking your poulse, double checking your bloods, But apparently they completely forgot for the four years that he was president to double check his PSA. And of course we now know that he is apparently suffering from a terminal cancer, terminal prostate cancer. Well, there's plenty of cover up that's being thrown around, and there's also preenenty left. He saying, oh no, no, we cannot
investigate this matter. A person who will not take those comments lying down. Instead, she stands up, she looks as straight in the eyes the great Meghan Kelly. We are joined by her a bit later in the show.
They have been covering this up for years. That's my informed opinion.
All right to the news of the day before we get to the politics. If you are paying off a house like me and a third of the country.
Little tinsy wincy, little.
Little bit of good news.
For the first time in two years, Australia's official cash rate is sitting below four percent. The Reserve Bank Board decided to slash its official rate by a quarter of one percent.
The Reserve Bank announcing its second rate hunt for the year. Hello, Amy, Now why did they cut the rate today? Second time this year? The first time was in February. That was a massive mover of millions of people when it come to voting, it came to voting at the federal election. Well, the Reserve Bank governor tells us why we got a little tinsy wincy wincy cut today.
Now we've done this because the most recent quarterly CPI confirmed that both headlined and underlying inflation are now under three percent, so price increases have slowed and it's fairly broadly based. And this is very good news.
And remember Jim Chalmers just happened to put out during the election that this is just one of a cascading amount of rate cuts to come.
Markets are now expecting around four intrast rate cuts in Australia this calendar year.
Oh maybe not. Why Orange Man bad.
Remember they've got a complete cover story for the next four years. Whatever bad happens in Australia, Trump's fault, whatever good happens in Australia charmers responsibility.
You see how this is going to work well.
According to the Australian newspaper and its analysis of what was being said by the Reserve Bank today, they say that mortgage relief for Midians, but the RBA is not expected to do much more, meaning don't get ready. Well that's probably about as many cuts it's going to come our way. Now I'm going to on and off with the glasses and you can see the Commodore sixty four
is doing great tonight. But geopolitical uncertainties also remain pronounced that these developments are expected to have an adverse effect on global economic activity, particularly of households and firms delay expenditure,
pending greater clarity on the outlook. Translation this might be it so the suggestion of four or maybe five, because you see, the economy was going to be so bad because of Trump, but then the stock market leveled out both here and in the United States, that the promise that of course was not at all political during an election campaign for four maybe five rate cuts this calendar year, well, we may will be tapping out at two.
Now.
As a person paying off a mortgage, I want there to be seven, eight nine cuts. But let's also put
this in some context. One of the reasons why perhaps the streets are not being filled like they were at the end of World War II with celebrating Australians knowing that tyranny was behind them, was because the total amount that the average person on about a six hundred something one thousand dollars mortgage has had to pay since the interest rates started to go up in twenty twenty two is a grand total of an extra eighteen thousand dollars per year. That's been at least more than one year.
So you can do your own sums there the February cut. The May cut is two four hundred dollars off each and every year. Now, good, but you've already had to spend what thirty something thousand dollars extra, So forgive me if two thousand dollars is not going to result in people running around in the streets. However, the Treasurer, of course, remember bad news Trump, good news charmers and today being a good news day asterisk maybe well, Chalmers of course, patting himself on the back.
This is the second interest rate cart in the last three months. It does reflect the very substantial and sustained progress that we've made together on inflation in our economy.
Now.
I don't know if she's auditioning for a job in what is now an increasingly smaller pool of people to choose from when it comes to the Opposition and its front bench, but the freshly re elected Member for Flinders, Zoey McKenzie, well, she nailed the reality today when she was having a chat with Chris Kenny that yes, down is good. Down is good, but it is not way down. And remember thirteen up two down means the collective pressure of eleven interest rates is still there on the average homeowner.
I'm sure Jim Chalmers having a great time patting himself on the back for today's one increment in the right direction. But we've got a long way to go before there's confidence in business circles and an ability for businesses to keep growing and keep employing, keep providing opportunity for Australians.
So any other political news around today.
The coalition is over, the Nationals walking away from the Liberals in a public split from the decades old alone.
Is the Liberals and Nationals are splitting up, failing to reach a deal.
The Liberal National partnership coming to an end after almost eighty years.
It's almost like they're excited to bring you the news. For his part, and we will talk to David Little Proud at a couple of minutes time. This was his logic behind this history making decision that was announced this afternoon in Canberra.
Those positions that we couldn't get comfort around a nuclear being part of an energy grid into the future. About the reason Australia Future Fund a twenty billion dollar fund paying a one billion dollar dividend every year, above and beyond to change the lives of regional Australians. About employing and training some doctors, to actually filling in some potholes, to actually giving young families the hope of childcare what we fight for every day. That's the principal position we
took that we needed to have comfort around. It's around divestage powers for supermarkets.
As for Susan Lee, here she was in camp responding to what apparently was an announcement. She got about thirty minutes notice.
Of will listen, will step up, we'll modern eye and we will rebuild.
For their part, as you've seen on our airwaves tonight on all our excellent programs. So to all of my wonderful mates, you've seen leaders from the past who have been very successful in Australian politics believing that today is a mistake being made by the National Party.
I am very sorry that this has happened and I urge both parties to work over time to put the collision back together again, because all the history of Australia suggests that the glory days of the Liberal Party and the National Party, the Old Country Party, are when they are working together in government.
There's no doubt in my mind that experience shows over the eighty years that the coalition agreement has been in place that working together produces better government for the country and Australian needs better government now more than ever.
Two very smart, very sober blokes so I hope are involved in trying to put the parties back together. As one of millions of people who wanted these two parties to form a government just a few weeks ago, I share every bit of deflated feelings that you feel tonight, But as always been a by election, state election, federal election,
or any big event, you know. I try to break it down with five things that are rolling around in my head now food for thought, not the final say, not the purity test, just what I'm thinking tonight at the head of what is going to be very long road to the future. Number one, Yes, time a part may be helpful. Put simply, thent's say that the Libs are Labor light. The Libs say that the National Party
has forced them to be the National Party light. The reality is is that sometime a part means that they will be able to say what they are, who they are, what they stand for, and presumably come an election or after an election, or when it seems like they may win elections, they of course may well, come back closer together. I certainly hope that not nasty words are said, and I certainly hope that when three cornered contests, because that is the reality of the National Party and the Liberal
Party not playing the same game. Is that when they come up in competition against each other, that they complement each other, that they do not attack each other, and the inevitable personality stuff can be put to one side, but that maybe will be some wishful thinking Number two where they stay apart. The worse this gets because people become entrenched.
I won't move, you won't move. I won't change, you won't change.
And sadly, as many people may know in their own personal life, the longer the trial separation goes, the more likely it is to end in a divorce rather than getting back together. Number three. All of this only makes Labor more powerful. Here are the numbers when it comes to the Parliament. Now, it doesn't matter, because of course the government can pass legislation with its eyes closed and half of its MPs drunk in a bar. But the reality is that with more than ninety MPs that are the Labor Party.
Barely thirty MPs. In fact, a little bit less that are there for the.
Liberal Party, and depending on how you count the LNP, there's not a huge amount of National Party MPs they're in the Federal Parliament. This of course means that if they are trying to put Labor on the ropes over the inevitable failures of the next three years, they'll have two completely different strategies when it comes to question time. Literally, the National Party will now probably have as much access to question time as the single Greens MP does. They
won't be shadow ministers, pay will all be effected. But as I'll talk about with David Little Proud, they believe that this is the best way to guarantee that they remain a force in Australian politics. Now, I wouldn't imagine that you're going to end up with Nationals running against Liberals in inner urban seats, but you might see things on the fringes of cities. All of that only makes
labor more powerful. And for those of us who wanted labor to be less powerful after this election, again, I share your sense of deflation.
Number four.
I think the timing of this is unfair to Susan Lee. Now, please don't write me like some people do. Oh you're always oh you girlfriend, Susan Lek grow up. The simple point is is that this could have happened next week, It could have happened next month. I don't understand how the leadership staff was playing out in the final days of her mum's life. And I don't understand why this hammerblow happens before she's had an opportunity to have a
funeral for her mum. I don't understand that that's a difficult question, but I'll be asking it to.
David little Proud directly in a moment or two's time. And five.
This yet again underlines another hard line of division in Australia. Under fifty verses over fifty two very different worldviews, gender,
two very different worldviews, and now city versus country. And as a person who loves the bush as much as I do the cities, a person who is looking forward to go into places like Cans, who's been proud to do shows in cal Ghooley, who's been proud to broadcast from Mount Isa, who loves being able to do shows in Lonceessten, who's been privileged enough to broadcast from Alice Springs,
and many many other places. I want all of Australia to have the best of its political representation, and I want all of Australia to have the best of living standards.
The idea of the National Party and the Liberal Party being as far away from government as they currently are, and potentially even further away as a result of this move, means that the people in those regional areas, in my view, are only going to be further insulted by city centric labor governments whose state and federal think that because those local communities vote National more renewables for you, because those populations are less than the more densely populated cities, you
don't get your roads fixed up. The reality of the coalition when the National Party is working with the Liberal Party in opposition and then in government, the relationship between a National Party MP and a Minister of the day who may well happen to be the Liberal or the capacity to go to the Prime Minister, means that regional concerns are front and center. The only party that does represent regional Australia is the National Party at a significant
national level. Yes, there are voices in the Senate, particularly when it comes to the representation of one nation in the Senate but in terms of our daily politics, in terms of the high profile that comes from question Time, and more importantly, the ability to take a complaint from the smallest street of swan Hill and take it all the way to Canberra. To be working together in a coalition, moving your way towards or being government is the best
way to get solutions. Everyone feeling good about purity tests means everyone will fail at those purity tests. The Labor Party will of course make its most of divisions. That said, as I said at the very start, yes, time a part may be helpful. I hope it is, but months, not years. But if it is years, it will be many mo four years before anyone but the Labor Party is going to form government in this country. And for my view, that's not a good thing for our country.
As I say, David Little Brown standing by we we'll get to him in a moment or two time. He's been very patient in our conversation. Now I want to talk about another very significant political event that took place today, and it was the budget delivered by the Labor Party in Victoria. Now, the Labor Party has been in charge of Victoria for the best part of thirty years. They
have put in place the triangle of dependency. They have perfected it where you either work for the government as a public servant, you have your hand out as somebody who gets money from government, or if you are in business, your biggest client is government. It's a triangle that would affect sixty seventy percent of the population and everything keeps going their way.
Well.
Today the state budget was released and while it shows a asterisk may be surplus, I don't believe it either. Let me break something down here for you. The total revenue for the State Labor government is one hundred and eight billion dollars. The total spending is one hundred and seven billion dollars. The total spending, by the way of one hundred and seven billion dollars, is up three point seven billion dollars on last year.
So how is it that.
They are going to end up in a scenario where they are going to be able to have a budget surplus.
I'll get to that in a second.
But the debt that the Victorian Labor Party has saddled the good people of Victoria with is one hundred billion dollars. One hundred billion dollars is basically the entire state budget the interest payments we learned today are currently seven point six billion dollars and in the year twenty eight to twenty nine it'll be ten billion dollars per year on interest alone in trying to pay off ten billion dollars
worth of debt. When you have a look at line by line in the state budget, ten billion dollars is seven billion dollars more than they spend in the entire government Department of Energy, Environment and Climate Action.
It is two billion dollars more than they spend in.
The entire Department of Families, Fairness and Housing.
It is six billion.
Dollars more than they spend in the entire government Department of Job, Skills, Industry and Regions. And it's about nine point two billion dollars more than they spend on the
court system in Victoria. That's just debt. Australia at the federal level is going to follow the model of Victoria, which is to rack up the debt, rack up the debt, pass a trillion one point to one point five one point eventually two trillion dollars already in the top ten of all of the things that the federal government spends money on. Servicing the debt is in the top ten, seeing the debt is more expensive than some federal department spend on.
Services for the Australian people.
But why does the Victorian government, despite the fact that they are spending this much on paying off the credit card while racking up even more money on the credit card Because Anthony Albanezi was desperate to win seats in Victoria and Victoria voted Labor, so it all worked out right. The only way that they are going to get to a surplus is because of a huge increase in the amount of GST that is coming to the Victorian government from Canberra. In fact, that is now fifty two billion dollars.
The total amount of tax that the Victorian government takes is forty one billion dollars. So many state governments, yes, almost half of their revenue comes from GST. In Victoria's case, it's way more than half, and it is way bigger than it was last year because the Labor Party in Canberra wanted to save its our at a federal election. But there is no one to bail out the federal government when they practice the exact same policies as the
Victorian Labor Party. Every budget between now and the next election, and the one after that, and the one after that and the one after that. I promise you I'll point it out to you every single time, how the servicing of the trillion dollars worth of debt is more than entire government departments. Because that is exactly what's taking place in Victoria, and because it has worked for the best part of thirty years, they will keep doing it in Victoria.
And as more people work for the government, you can scare people that the evil liberals are going to cut the number of people working for the government. One cut equals cuts everywhere. If you turn around and say that maybe that welfare payment doesn't apply in twenty twenty five as it did into.
That in ten.
Now are all welfare recipients should be scared? And if you start to upset the apple card as a business, the government will just cut you off. Elections have consequences, and in Victoria the receipts are coming in. It is a preview of what is coming down the road for a Labor party that virtually has no opposition as a result of what has been taking place in Canberra today? Can you know what your thoughts are on anything? Set
me an email ports Gardis dot com dot au. But let's get to what has happened today where the National Party has broken up with the Liberal Party. It was the National Party's decision to do so, and its leader is David Little Proud. Just before I came on the airlive, I had an opportunity to talk to him and the simple question is this on the behalf of millions of people who were voting for the coalition to be the government just a few weeks ago.
What the hell is going on?
And we started negotiations on re entering a coalition agreement, but my party room and I got to a juncture that there were policy positions that we weren't prepared to negotiate on, ones that were already coalition policy, that were fought for last term, that stood us in good stead
and would change the lives of regional Australians. And with the circumstances that Susan had in terms of wanting to be able to announce a shadow cabinet, which meant a coalition agreement had to be done in the coming days, but not being able to give us that comfort or guarantee that those policies that we were looking at could be guaranteed because she wanted to go through a longer elongated period of policy formation that we couldn't sign up
to it. Because these are hard fought wings that would change the lives of people in Region Australia. They're around better telecommunications, extending the Universal Service obligation to mobile phone taels so that Australians aren't put at risk in Regional Australia are danger tonight because the tower doesn't work and they can't ring triple zero. It's about being able to have a fund that would bild some childcare places so that young families in Regional Australia can send their kids
to childcare and they can get a job. At the moment, it's not about childcare affordability. It's accessibility in the bush. And it's about us also having some money to train our own to be our own doctors and nurses and physios, to be able to say that nuclear should be part of a technology agnostic mix, and that we should be prepared to have a deterrent consequence for supermarkets for doing
over farmers but doing over you consumers. And they were things that the National Party of Thought Force in before I even got to this place. We secured them last term. They're not new policies, they're ones we think are common sense. And our room got to the juncture where unless we could get a guarantee and we understood the Liberals wanted to go on a journey of rediscovery, or they can.
Do that, we'll be here. A door be opened.
But we had to have principles, because if we walked away from that, then we walked away from what was going to change the lives of regional Australians.
Susan Lee is in the process of planning a funeral for her mother. Why not next week? Why not next month? Something made this happen quickly, very obviously. Okay, if the teams couldn't get together, fine and fair enough, it's a three year electoral cycle.
But why now, why today?
Well, it was Susan's determination of that. Let me make this very clear to you.
Susan rang me the day after being elected and wanted to fly back to Canberra on last Friday to discuss coalition agreements.
I've made it very clear.
To her on that Wednesday there was no way in the world I was going to allow her to fly back and be away from her mother. If she wanted to have those discussions and she felt it necessary.
I would drive to Aubrey. I got in the car and drive to Aubrey.
And met with her for an hour, and then we had a discussion, and I came back and our party room had a discussion. I went back to her and tell her where our party room was. We had further discussions and sadly, her mother died on Saturday. We didn't ask for any further discussions. Susan, who initiated those. We made it very clear we're in Nahurri in terms of
a coalition agreement or announcing a shadow cabinet. We were prepared to work through her personal circumstances, and we made it very clear that that was the timeline that she wanted to set. So Susan's a very strong woman and she made it very clear. And I was provided with a response of what our party room's initial concerns were on Monday night. I took that to the party room
after Susan sent it to me. So the timelines weren't predicated by the National Party, predicated by Susan, and the respect of the personal circumstances that she had, I was comfortable and our party room was comfortable to keep discussions going for as long as that meant for her personal circumstances to be addressed.
Okay, well I wanted to do with the elephant in the room. Thank you for being open and honest about your understanding and how you lived those few Now, obviously at least once a month we go and do a shown regional Australia. It's why I appreciate these conversations, and you know how much I want the same standard of living in regional Australia as there is in city city Australia.
There's no butt in this quote. There is, however, a political reality that is playing out in lots of different electorates and even in sort of the national party view of seats right now. Quite correctly, you've said that the party has held the line and not lost seats for election after election after election. Yes, Calaire, which of course has a long history of independence. That's the asterisk around all of this. But I did want to tell you this, and you know it already.
In the Seed of.
Kauper you won fifty two to forty eight against a Teel in the Seed of Page the Labor Greens vote went up ten percent. In the set of Line the Independent and Cannabis parties together their vote went up twenty one percent. In the seat of Nichols the Labor Party. In the Greens their vote went up fifteen percent. Now, yes, there are plenty of others where the National Party vote held the Trumpets and one Nation their number went up
as well. But there are certain tensions that will be on the National Party over the next three years that may well be what the Liberal Party has not been able to hold up against when it comes to cashed up country teals running real candidates, not sort of you know, the local fruit loop like some of those that have, but some serious money and some serious attention.
That could well be on the way.
Is the National Party going to be able to win a seat like Kauper fifty two forty eight, where yes.
Nuclear was clearly the policy.
But we're having a different conversation in three years time because it feels to me that you, like all major political parties, you cop it from the left and the right.
But I've just shown you a.
Few seats where it's the left that are starting to show their teeth in Otherwise, proud Green National Party territory.
Yeah, a great analysis, and you're right.
In fact, we think the till in Kelpers spend somewhere between one and two million dollars and we don't have that sort of money obviously. But having said that, Calp has always been a probably a two to five percent margin seat, so.
We take that seriously.
And that's why it's important that today's decision is predicated.
On principle and policy.
That I can go back to the seat of Calper, I can go back to page I can go into Calaire and say, honestly and looking Regional Austrains in the eye, the National Party's listening and we're going to make you a life better because we're going to have a principal position. It's not about the position we might hold in Canberra. It's about the policy that's going to change your life for the better, to make sure that your kids have
a better future. Because you know why I got into parliament is because I was jack of seeing generations of young people from Western Queensland and go over the Great Divide and go to Brisbane and never come home.
I want to bring them home and keep them home.
But unless we get our fair share, unless at some point we stand up and say, you know what, there are lines in the sand that we can't let go of, because if we do, then we won't change those lives. We won't make the amenity of living in reason Australia beat it, and we won't bring them home and we won't keep young people home.
And that's the Australia I want to leave behind.
I've been given a very privileged position to come to this Parliament and I don't care what people think of me, but I want to leave this place knowing that I've looked Australians and regional Australians in the eye and I've stood for something. I've stood for them, whether I'm right, wrong or indifferent. I've stood for them because I believe in them and I believe in our future.
Good on you, David. I like talking to you. You're a straight shooty.
You'll take them as as your copham and I hope you understand the sprinting which I ask, which is only for the joint to be better at and to be saved from the idiots that well, I'm going to be running the joint for the next little wile.
Thank you, mate, appreciate it, thanks mate.
Now, despite the fact that, of course that was a pre record, you may well have noticed that one of my five points that I made was about the timing and in relation to the personal circumstances in and around Susan Lee. Now, obviously I knew what the contents of that pre record work. But the reason I included that one of my five thoughts at the start was because that's what many people's emotional reaction to all.
Of this has been, Why did this happen? What's the timing?
So to hear David Little Proud in his own words say that the timing was not of his choosing. Instead, it was of the Liberal Party's choosing that clearsed the air, which is why in the order in which I presented at this evening is the order in which that I have presented it. I am frustrated tonight, really frustrated tonight, but I'm going to tell you this too.
There is an awful lot of people.
Who want nothing but the center right of Australian politics to start getting into a circular firing squad where.
One person.
Is more purer and another person needs to be thrown over the walls. Well, the Australian people at the past two elections have thrown twenty thirty people over the walls.
They're former coalition MPs.
There is a tough, hard, difficult conversation of which I'm going to be really honest with you. I've got lots of questions, but I don't have the immediate automatic answers.
And beware, beware.
Of anyone who is saying I know the path because we haven't been here before. But can I say to you who are watching wherever you happen to be, if you're watching us on your phone somewhere, if you're watching us today tomorrow, if you're listening to a podcast. The one thing Albanezi, the Left, the Greens and much of the media that hates the very existence of this conversation right now. They want us to turn on each other. That's why I am frustrated about what has happened today.
Hopefully it has resolved sooner rather than later. But for those of us who believe that the country is headed in the wrong direction with a government that is going to take it even further into a wrong direction. Signposts into our future like what's happening in Victoria, the focus
is not on each other. It's on the rest of Australia and not forcing them to believe what we believe, but for us to have a greater understanding of what the average Australian does believe does want to match them where they are, because that's the reality of having a
conversation and trying to convince people. It's why I go to such incredible lengths to put data, data, data, not just opinion, in front of you so that when you have an argument, a discussion or a disagreement with somebody, you can pull on some of those facts to perhaps get somebody to move ever so slightly this way, ever so slightly that way.
But I guarantee you this the fight is not within.
The fight is always at the people who we think are doing harm to the country. Quick break back with more loss of the debate tonight.
I look forward to it.
Add lots of your feedback in real time or otherwise you can send me an email pau Let's gounews dot com free.
Thank you so much for watching wherever you happen to be.
Let's get to a conversation right now with Garth Hamilton, freshly reelected as the member for Groom at the federal election, and the mayor that we love the most is none other than Nicholas Rice, of course, the Lord Mayor of the City of Melbourne Garth.
Let's get to you first. So after your name is l NP.
So are you an L or are you an N or are you a P What the hell happens to you? Where do you sit? Do you get to serve or not serve? What happens to you in the next couple of years.
Well, look, I'm a member of the LMP. I sit with the Liberal Party Room. You may remember it wasn't that long ago that Ian McFarlane tried to switch Groom over to the National Party. I think in twenty sixteen. You've been to my elector at Paul right where Liberal meets Nash. You have the beautiful city to wimber and
then all that wonderful agricultural and around there. So look, I'll always be a Liberal Party member, but I've got that strong agricultural connection like a lot of Liberal Party members do.
Are you cut about what's happened today?
I'm bloody frustrated. Paul, absolutely absolutely, And I booked this show with you before this happened, and I've got to tell you I had some long, hard thoughts about coming on, because look, I'm not going to go into it too long, because the longer that we're talking about the coalition agreement, that's the less time that we're talking about the issues that we need to be addressing so the Australian people can get confidence in us again.
But I do want to say this.
I think this is incredibly poor judgment. I think it was great you had David little Proud on before so he can state his case. I think it's fair to give him that opportunity. I think this is poor judgment and history will not look kindly on what's happened today.
We're a coalition, We're not always going to be agreeing on everything, but we've got to be able to disagree, and we've got to be able to trust each other that we can have a forceful, strong conversation on things we believe in and come out the other side together. And today I think walks away from that principle, and I'm pretty disappointed.
Well, I appreciate that you here, we want to break over it, because obviously many hours of that conversation has happened thus far. But I appreciate you you honoring the commitment to be here, no matter how difficult the immediate circumstances are. Nicholas, I don't even know if we can call you a Laborman any more, because of course you sort of walked away from the Labor Party and they kind of tried to screw you out of being the mayor.
But what do you think about what's happened today as a former labor man.
Well, look, I think you could probably see it coming for a while, couldn't you, With this conscious uncoupling. There's been some pressure there for some while, and look, maybe the two parties just need some time to reflect and work out how to take it forward in a positive way together. Of course, the risk with all this is they actually end up further apart, that the National Party sort of goes back into the cave, goes back to been cave dwellers on coal and you know, regional pork
barreling and the urban Liberals. You know, they kind of start to look like teals and there's actually no chance of them being able to bridge the divide between them. So you know, there may be some short term benefit in them spending some time apart, But I don't think they want to leave it for too long because as said, they'll be end up so far apart that it will
essentially be irreconcilable. And I've got to say, looking at some of those things that David little pray Out was describing as lines in the sand, I do wonder how long it's going to take. I mean, talking about nuclear power, I mean, this is just an engineering solution, an energy related thing, but they're now talking it like it's a fundamental, you know, philosophical tenet of their party, which is obviously nonsense.
And that twenty billion dollar you know, Regional Future find I mean that just looks like an old fashioned shakedown of the rest of us to give more money to regional Australia. You know, where's the where's this Capital City Future Fund or the Peri Urban Future Fund, all the average suburban Australia Future Fund. Don't we all want a future one? Why should regional Australia be so special?
See, because I like you, I'm holding I'm holding holding, I'm holding in some of my emotion here right, and you can imagine there might be a fair amount of it over the past few weeks that I would love to her in a certain direction. All right, well guess guess what it's about to hit a brick wall.
Okay.
Firstly, the idea that the National Party a cave dwellers. You know that this program is seen in lots of different ways, but particularly on Sky News Regional, and it's in areas that have very.
Strong support for the National Party.
Right, So the idea that by extension, the people who vote you're putting into that camp, I consider that to be right.
On the line, going back to the cave. Okay, right on the line.
Secondly, I think, look again, I'm not inside this, all right, I'm not inside this. We'll all read like everybody else, right, I'm not entirely sure that you break up a coalition off this. This future fund idea, to me, pretty easy to say when you're in opposition. Sure, let's make it one hundred trillion dollars. You know you can make all of those sorts of announcements. It is very obviously something in and around nuclear power, something in and around net zero.
And you know the last one on this And I'll go to you first, Nicholas.
Which is.
I'll immediately be accused of being a lefty for asking the question. But I'm a big boy, which means I can ask the question and please people do not interpret what my motivation is. Just listen to the actual question, okay, which is, do you think that the Liberal Party has to deal or the National Party or the Coalition whatever center right of Australian politics needs to deal with climate change in the way that the Labor Party dealt with
bad protection. Because Nicholas, you and I sat here for how long talking about boat turnbacks, Anthony Abanize went on television saying I couldn't possibly turn aroun under vote, and then basically the price of admission to modern government was to do that to protect our borders.
Now they didn't deliver on it. They didn't. They of course removed temporary protection.
Visas, so not doing what the coalition government had done previously. But as a person of the center left, do you think that, you know, when people under fifty they believe in the environment more than they do god, that the reality is that that is the price of admission for certain for certain people in Australia.
Yeah, I do, Paul. So I know parties on the left around the world spent a deca or a decade and more losing elections because they didn't understand that border security and the idea of a managed, well managed immigration program, including refugees, was really important to people. I remember going to visit Denmark and talking with the leaders of the
Social Democratic Party. There had been very successful decades and then a decade out of power, and I said, what went wrong, guys, And they said, well, we're just you know, our policies around borders and immigration intake and refugees was just not acceptable to the Danish people.
And so I said, what did you do?
Well, they change their policy, and you see a Labor Party do a similar thing going back a few years now and brought them back to in line with mainstream, austrained views, and they became a very successful political outfit again.
Now.
I do think that the conservative side of politics is going through a similar funk now on climate change, and I think that the Liberal and National parties split today in some ways might make it harder because I think the Nats will probably go further to the right if I can describe it that way, on energy policy, and the Libs will try and track you to the left.
I'll make be more tearish, and so it'll be harder for them to reconcile and get a coherent policy next thation, because OSSI is going to ask, well, hang on, if I vote for you, which energy policy I'm actually going to get here? So they've got to solve it before the next election.
But yeah, but conversely, right Labor Party and the Liberal Party, they both wod we won't talk about twenty thirty five, but twenty thirty five's is the next number coming down the pike. Labour Party activists want them to go up to seventy five percent emission's reduction cut, not forty three seventy five and Garth certainly in and around to Woomba and again peri urban areas. That is a much bigger whack obviously than what we have already seen as the
whack to our economy of forty three. So the reality is that I'm not toially sure that what the Goldilocks position is here. There's a whole bunch of political thinkers who might think something. There's a whole bunch of people who say there's lines in the sand. But the reality is that whatever the Liberal Party's position is in three
years time, frankly doesn't mean much. Let's focus on how the Labor Party will set its own position in the next three years, and it could be bigger than what the teals demand.
Look, you could be right, and I think one of the things that maybe we don't articulate well. And if you come up to Tormer and you've we've got fantastic red meat. I've got more cattle, more head of cattle on feed lots than anywhere else in Australia.
In my electorate.
I've got a coal mine out there sending great coal to Japan, a thermal coal out there. These are things that matter to us. They impact us. So these discussions, aren't you hypothetical? There are actually jobs of people that we know in our communities. But look, I think the issue.
I think you're very right.
We need to be looking where labor are going here. But what we need to be doing is putting a price tag on that so that we can take this away from a moral question of whether you know you're either it's black or white, you're either good or bad. If you question any part of net zero, you're an evil trog the diet.
Or something like that.
We need to get away from that and put a dollar figure on it and say let's treat net zero spending like I don't know, like defense spending, and so it's going to be capped at a certain percentage of GDP. I don't know, put a figure on it, somehow measure it, because I guarantee you what labor and the Greens and the teals will want to spend will just keep going up and up and up. And then it becomes an economic question because that dollar is costing every taxpayer right across Australia.
One hundred percent.
Now was out of time, sorry, but evinced the day blewis in that direction. But I want to ask a mayor, if I only have one here of Melbourne.
No doubt you have got an awful lot more.
Tobacconists than you used to in Melbourne a couple of years ago. And we also know that what's being sold there is not exactly legal product. We also know one of the reasons that's the case it is because of the federal taxation system that has.
Been put in and around tobacco.
So how do you feel about the conversation that maybe tobacco taxes are wildly out of control and the black market opportunity is being taken on almost every street corner.
Yeah, I mean the bit you left out of that intro is we've also had one hundred and twenty arson attacks career across Melbourne because there's an underworld war going on between you know, the chop chop merchants. So it's crazy actually, and you know, it's like an experiment in when taxes go too far and create these totally perverse outcomes. So for anyone hasn't tuned in, it was not a smoker.
Tobacco taxes have gone up five hundred percent over a decade, and so price of smokes is now so expensive that it's open this huge space for the black marketee is to come in selling a legal chop shop. And then what's happened is because it's you know, crooks are running this game. If a bit of competition comes along, like another tobacco shop and opens in the shopping shoop gets quite in Melbourne and fire bombing them, and so it's center criminals.
The Federals are promising.
More and more money.
It's interesting that once they start getting a lot of revenue at something, they start putting money into law and order. But anyway, it's not working and we need to have change.
Yes, correct, agree, sanity in that time. Thank you, lads, do appreciate it. Long a chat next time? All right, coming up, Meghan Kelly, the great Joe Biden cover up. There's only one lady who's going to fire up as hard as Megan Kelly, and it's Meghan Kelly. Next the way to talk to about favorite person in the world, the wonderful Megan Kelly joins us from the United States.
How are you mate?
I'm great. How are you doing, Paul?
Well, there is so much bs about the last president, Joe Biden, and I know they say we're not allowed to talk about it.
No, no, no, We're going to talk about it. Where do we start?
There are truly layers upon layers of going down here. So first we had the obvious cover up of Joe Biden's mental infirmity from the White House and the complicit media. Lest they be forgotten, yes, the White House and the aids protecting the president are the chief villains in all of it. But the media is just as complicit in
the cover up and went along with it, not unwittingly. Wittingly, they went along with it because they didn't want to report on anything that could jeopardize Biden's chances of getting elected and then re elected, and that might enable Trump's trip right into the White House. That's why they had to go along with the lies. They're not complete idiot. They saw what seventy seven percent of the country saw, which was that he was too old and infirm to be president.
They saw it. This is their business politics.
They didn't report on it because they had zero interest in bringing that story to print or to camera. They did not want it fanned, and they didn't want it to catch on. He was too important to them. And they, like the rest of the Democrats who were actually in politics on like the media who aren't supposed to be, saw the truth, which was there was no clear heir apparent.
If Biden went.
Then who And they continued to say to themselves internally and externally, who else can do it? He's the only one to beat Trump. And that is the reason for all of the lies and then complicity by the media and covering it up. So now we get to the
point where they're feeling bad. I guess a couple of them found a conscience about the fact that they covered up the biggest story in decades at the presidential level that we had and cognitively paired president who most likely should have been twenty fifth amendmented right out of office, meaning you can't perform the duties any longer, so you're out. And they've decided to use their Democrats sources to write books about it. Okay, I'm in favor of that, to
be honest. I like it because now I've read the Tapper Thompson book Original Sin, and I actually did learn a fair amount of new details in there.
Did my opinion of the infirmity change? No, not at all. We knew the bottom line.
Everybody listening to my voice right now, we knew the bottom line.
Your bottom line is not going to change.
But there's a lot more in there about who else knew, who specifically was covering it up inside of the White House, et cetera. And I found that very interesting, Like I wanted names, and so far we haven't seen somebody provide them, and now we have. Okay, great, We're off to the races. So no sooner does that book hit.
It hits on.
Tuesday and the audio of her Special Council Investigation is posted on Axios by one of the co authors of
this same book showing Biden was out to lunch. He was non compassmentis he was the daffy, old, very old great grandpa that you sometimes get seated next to at Thanksgiving who drones on and on about Mongolia and how he fought sumo wrestlers and hit perfect bullseyes, and you have to pretend that you believe it, and you think it's charming until you're really just looking around, like, can someone save me from great Grandpa?
I need a break.
Someone else has got to do the loving but heavy lifting over here. So no, sooner do those two things happen, the audio and this book, than at that moment they
decide to tell us he's got cancer. Not just any cancer, but prostate cancer which is spread to the bones, which every single doctor I have spoken to personally or read or watched in the past twenty four to thirty six hours, every single one, prostate specialists, urologists, oncologists all say this would take five to seven years, maybe ten to go from prostate cancer to metastasized into the bones. Five to seven probably ten. All of them said he had this when he took office.
I ought to imagine, if you're the president, they're taking a vall of blood every two weeks, just to make sure that everything's okay. Yet none of this showed the prostate cancer that is now apparently so advanced that it is well, it's life threatening.
No.
So far, what we've seen is that the annual exams of Joe Biden did not include any reporting about this so called PSA test, which every man over fifty in the States.
Is advised to get.
It's so easy, it's you don't have to do anything invasive or uncomfortable. Just when you give your blood at your annual physical you check the box that says and please add the PSA test to see if these antigens that might say you have some activity happening in the prostate are up.
So it's a nothing burger.
I mean, if you're going to check for check my lipids, very easy to say, and also, hey, check out the prostate.
We'd like to know.
And so the reality is Joe Biden's probably been getting that PSA test for some thirty years now, and what it just happened to stop when he went into the White House. President Trump is getting it. That's his annual physical. President Obama got it. It was on his annual physical President George W. Bush got it, it was on his Only Joe Biden doesn't have it, and only Joe Biden is the oldest president in US history, and only Joe Biden actually has prostate cancer, which all of the prostate
cancer experts say five to seven years. They're lying to us. They have been covering this up for years. That's my informed opinion.