Paul Murray Live | 2 September

From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live.

I love it, Shrry and this made the day. Thank you very much, lots to get to tonight. Thank you to everyone who came and sawus in Western Australia, from Portlandland to Perth, from sub all the way back here to the Man Cave.

It's been a wonderful.

Past few days. Great to couple the kids with a delayed Father's Day, but it's so good to be back here where you join us eachin every night. And yeah, of course I'm going to give it both battles for Jim Chalmers today.

What a surprise. It's everyone else's fault. Don't talk about the dog track that is the Bruce Highway. This thing's a killer.

They've got to fix it up, but for some reason they won't.

I'll tell you why.

Tim Watts, the bloke woo Kamala Harris.

Would like to be her vice president, is about to have a very very bad week. But first, the wind is so strong in some parts of the country in the old parlance and to blower dog off a chain. There's been well massive wind gusts all the way from Tazzy through two parts of New South Wales and beyond. Let's focus in on what's been happening in New South Wales because we worked with the news this morning lady had died. Police confirmed today that the lady had been crushed by a tree.

She was in a holiday cabin near Aubrey.

On the of course yess Well's Victoria Border Police have said that the woman died as the tree fell onto her cabin at about three point fifty this morning, so presumably she was asleep. Emergency services were called.

To the area.

This is near the News of Oz Victorian Border.

It followed reports that a tree had fallen on the cabin offices attached to the local Murray District River Police. They attended. They found the body of a woman. She was sixty three in the wreckage. We will know more about whom she is once her family is informed and i'll update you again tomorrow. Meantime, the winds have course all the trouble in the world for anyone trying to catch a flight home. Thankfully mine was the Red Eye.

I know that's been one hell of a day for you as well.

When in doubt, don't go out. It is likely that the destructive, destructive and damaging winds are going to result in a lot more trees down, more houses without power, building damage, road closures and possibly network possibly impacts on the transport networks.

Rather as always my forever thanks to the volunteers who are out and about in this stuff. The professionals as well, thank you for what you do going towards trouble on a day when others are trying to hide quite rightly. So so I'll make Jim Charms, the Treasurer of Australia, the man who considers himself next in line to Anthony Obernezi.

But of course ourb will rule forever, so he'll be forever in a day before he becomes Prime minister.

Now we often show this little image of him because grim Jim is always there to say, well everything's getting better, things are actually getting worse. And remember what he said when he was the Shadow Treasurer, what he said when interest rates went up during the federal election campaign in May of twenty twenty two.

This is a full blome cost of living crisis on Scott Morrison's watch. When things are going well in the economy, he takes all of the credit, and when times are tough in the economy, he takes none of the responsibility.

Well, we all know that he was essentially talking about himself. That was one rate rise. As you know, the Reserve Bank has made its decision a total of thirteen times, including that one twelve on the watch of Grim Jim is the Treasurer and albo is the Prime Minister.

Up up, up, up, up up up.

We're showing you this in a thousand different ways. We're told you that now the average Australian is having to find tens of thousands of dollars to pay off their house or investment property that they didn't have to before this mob came to power. But as you'll have heard today, the reality is that the Reserve Bank is not most likely to be cutting interest rates anytime soon. In fact, the expectation is that they won't be being cut at

You pick in indicies. They are going backwards.

The Coalition is now in front on the primary vote in many and multiple polls around the country. Their margin, if the Teals didn't exist, would basically be enough to tip out a first term government. But back to the politics that seem to work when the joint was on fire in twenty twenty two. In twenty twenty three, which is to play the man the ball and in this

Be, which is between two and three percent.

You've seen it before, but i'll play it again for those that have just whacked on the Telly Jim charmers, shifting the blame.

The combination of global economic uncertainty and higher interest rates is smashing household budgets and slowing our economy considerably.

Now he's made other critical comments about the Preserve Bank. He is trying to push through in the Parliament a new way of constituting the bank that, as I said, would have on it, not the experienced people that have been managing the Australian economy through good times and bad for a long period of time. Oh no, no, no, this is going to be the mates, the mates that will do what he politically wants, like he's done so with almost every other organ that advises the government on economic policy.

This is a welcome decision from the Reserve Bank because it recognizes the pressures that people are under. What I've tried to do as Treasurer indeed before that as well, is not the preempt or second guess decisions taken by the Reserve Bank. Or the Reserve Bank takes these decisions independently, and as you know, I do my best not to second guess them.

Well, my mate and occasional sparring partner over the years, Peter van Onslin, he's now the head of the political coverage of the Daily mailsolutely lines up and quite correctly Jim Charmers today for this garbage of trying to presen that he knows more than anyone else about how the

Right.

Well, no, you see, in the same way that doctor Stephen Miles is a doctor of the way the unions work. Yet he was presented during the pandemic as a doctor, as if he was a medical professional. While Queenslanders will being kept safe because Queensland hospitals for the queens and people.

The same applies to this bloke.

And finally somebody is calling it out in nice, clear terms again world done, PVA. He says that all of this is undentifying, it is ignorant, it's out of line.

Readers can decide.

For themselves on who they trust more when it comes to managing the monetary and fiscal policy settings of the economy. A treasurer unqualified in economics, whose PhD ie, why do we call him a doctor? Is in politics because he looked at Paul Keating's political communication, not economics. Or Bullock, who was a postgraduate studying economics from the London School of Economics no less, and has examined the ins and outs of interest rate policy design. Remember, of course she's

Rates went up once.

Oh, the former Prime Minister will only accept the good and shift the blame for the bad. Well, that is exactly what this bloke does. And he's been in charge of an economy for the past couple of years that has only got worse. Now, of course they will say it's all global, it's all cyclical.

Australia is no different than anywhere else. And that is true. But that was true before the last selection.

But you mate, made the promise that life would get better if people voted for the Labor Party.

Instead it has got worse.

You are the people who promised the cost of living would be dealt with.

Of course it has got worse. You other people who.

Said that one interest rate rise was a sign of a cost of living crisis, Well what happens when you add twelve to that. Now you've been able to hoodwink the press gallery into pretending that the thirteenth will be the problem. Well, I can tell you on behalf of anyone else who's trying to pay a bloody house off. There's just as much pain at thirteen as there was twelve, eleven, ten, nine, eight, seven,

Because this is the only thing that matters.

They can distract you with a whole bunch of garbage, including the personal life of the Prime Minister. They can pretend it's everyone else's fault. Well guess what. Let's compare not just Australia with Australia, but Australia with the rest of the world. Because if the rest of the world

Like the United Kingdom.

Yet this blog is using all of the studies of political communication with all of the other people around to tell you that up is down and convince you that black is white. The joint is in more trouble than it was when they took over. It is so because of their fault. Yes, international headwinds have pushed the world

We won't buy it.

That's why the Poles are as relentless as they are, and it's why we are as laser focused because where money is coming from. How much you've got now, worried you are about how much you'll have in a month is what minions of Australians feel each and every night. That's why they come to us. That's why we give them the data each and every night. And I'm ever so thankful that you are here for this relentless fight. Meantime, new Pole, same result, Prime Minister, World of trouble, World

Oh, I beat on the critics.

Well mate, if you lose more seats than you got at the last election at the next election, you're going backwards, and you're going backwards because the Australians have had enough. Well again, let's have a look here at all of the major polls and their versions of do you approve or disapprove of the Prime Minister? All of them have more than half the country saying this blokes are dud. This bloke is not doing the job we asked him to.

Up to it.

It is why he is weak, It is why it is rattled. It is why he is constantly looking over his shoulder. No one from the Labor Party will knock him off because that's the way their system works. But the Australian people might think about doing it, if not at this election, most likely at some other point into the future. But let's be honest, this bloke is behind the eight ball. He's behind the eight ball because of his own performance. Now he can't blame the media. The

Seriously?

And they all go along with the idea that when he's overseas he can't possibly answer any questions about what's happening here in Australia. No, no, no, that wouldn't be allowed. We'll have a look at this one. Australians who think the country has had it in the right direction again, everyone who does this pole shows that we're heading in a very bad direction. Fifty two percent in the pole that turns up in the Guardian. Now the Guardian, of

Now we know he is in charge.

The decisions they are making are making things worse, but they spend billions of dollars on political slogans to make it seem like they're helping everyone's power bills. It's twenty five dollars a month every tax payer. It's fourteen dollars a week for the people who need it most. Now at this stage, while people say that they are not impressed with the Prime Minister, they are not flocking at

Brings me here.

You know how much passion I have about where our country's going when it comes to our kids. For obvious reasons, My little girls are all I care about in the world. Obviously, my beautiful wife, you get my point, But the kids a one priority. Why Because they're my future, they're our famili's future. And your kids and your grandkids are exactly the same. What we see yet again today, more evidence about how the kids aren't all right.

Now.

This extends to everything from their education to their mental health, but nearly half of all high school students feel like they don't belong. Since twenty sixteen, the Department of Education in New South Wales has been asking a whole series of questions about belonging in our schools. The blue line is primary schools, the red line is secondary schools. Let's have a look here. Eighty percent of kids in primary school in twenty sixteen felt a sense of belonging about

Sixties, in high school down to the mid fifties.

To break this down even more for you, let's have a look at primary schools. You can see that the blue dot is how they felt in twenty nineteen were girls seventy five percent of them felt a sense of belonging. The darker dot is twenty twenty one, and the red dot is twenty thirteen. Basically a ten point swing for girls, basically a ten point swing for boys. Look at that

Now?

Again, the easy conversation here is it's all about how they feel about the national flag and Australia Day and ANZAC data.

No, it's more complicated than that. Let's read though.

The Nisubas Department of Education released eight years of data of a thing called them Tell Them from Me surveys, which asks students about their sense of belonging in school, including if they felt included and accepted ten point drop in virtually every indices primary school, high school over the past years from sixteen to twenty three. Education experts say disrupted learning during the pandemic. Now, of course that only

These were all the people.

Who were saying keep out of the schools, schools of petri dishes, all of that garbage, all of that crap. This generation of school leadership and the schools and the public health officials and the Karens from the ABC. No offense to Karens, but you get my point. They've ruined a generation unruly classrooms that of course is about discipline doesn't cost a cent. Instead, you should be re empowering

Are you paying attention? I know you are.

The education ministers, the prime ministers, the premiers, the chief political correspondence, Hello, are you awake? Data is telling us that kids feel that sense of belonging has gone backwards in ten years. Belonging, remember, is about feeling included and accepted. Why don't they anyone going to find out chance of a four corner story into that? Or is it always more interesting to have a go at your media rivals

When I was standing there in the room in Jundala.

Last night, there was an audible gasp when I told the story about how the federal government is spending other people's money, how they use your money.

To pile up against the wall.

They spend twenty thousand dollars twenty thousand dollars and flying a bloke to India to play the digitido for a sort of pointless How good is cricket event because of course Australia will be playing India this summer. Twenty thousand dollars. Now, if you saw last night' show, you know what I'm about to show you. If you didn't, well we have a Sunday show as well. Make sure you always watch those,

Tape you just spoke a minute ago about that guyd I got twenty thousand for that digit. We do with things, Yeah, that would have gone. It's such a long way for us. Yes, look at all those homes that would have been filled with stuff for them to take home, natgies and wipes and everything.

This is what we talk about every night. The government pats itself on the back because it has a surplus. Now with that surplus, they have to pay off some of the debt. But they don't really care about the debt because if they really cared about the debt, they would change the structural deficit, which means we're going to spend more than we earn for the next forty five years. Remember that's the Intergeneration Report. So currently, when you've got more than you know how to spend, feel free to

Today. On the health front, there are some potentially very good news for people who have been exposed to prostate cancer. Now.

Fascinatingly, they followed in on a bloke who it was in his seventies, was a little bit worried about his health, did the tests, cancer was everywhere. He then went through a new treatment and apparently the cancer backed as out the back door.

Have a look.

Rob was one of one hundred and sixty two men to take part in the trial, led by Professor Louise Emmett and funded by November and the federal government. About half we're given a hormone ends alutamide, while the other half were given ends alutamide as well as radiation treatment lutetium PSMA six one seven. Professor Emmett found patients on the combination therapy doubled their response to treatment with fewer side effects.

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I love Brocky.

He is on that Mount Rushmore, one of the great kings of Australia. You know how much I love motorsport and anything that he touched or had any influence in. My dear friend Peter Chapman and the lovely good people at HDT they keep.

Much of this memory alive. And I'll tell you what.

I don't know if he's the Bitter, but somebody has bought one of the race cars that Peter Brook was banging around in. In fact, in nineteen ninety one. According to Lloyd's this thing has gone for two hundred and thirty five thousand dollars. If only I had one power ball, this would be me on a Saturday afternoon. In the meantime, it's the King in the ninety one Bathist.

He's really on fire at the Mountain this year.

Johnson just ahead Peter Brock a master of this and as Legs a master corner.

It doesn't require too much.

In the way of commentary.

Just listened to that awsome va.

Oh that's sweet Bergan music. I love it anyway, well done whoever bought it? If it is you, can he get in touch? Take me for a spin now. Tim Waaltz, he is the Minnesota governor. He is the bloke who pretends to be all folksy but really is about as hardcore left as anyone from New York or from California. He has been picked by Kamala Harris to be her vice president should she win the next election.

He's having a bad week. Let me tell you how it started.

His brother has posted online and now people starting to notice that his brother can't stand him. He says there's many stories he could tell and he's one hundred percent opposed to everything that this blokes about. When he does an innyview, that'll be fun to watch the media ignore it. Meantime, today he was at a local state fair in Minnesota, and he was more than happy to take the easy questions.

I don't get twelve days which I normally get a balance lag in the state of Minnesota and running for press.

Now they've got a good team on the car, being able to manage my skip. Now he can hear the reporters. But look what happens when he.

Gets a questioned he doesn't want to answer. That's way more important than how awesome is this state?

Fair?

Than you?

Why I should send his step.

Half something down the end?

Double line?

Thanks everybody.

They honestly, they think you're not watching right. Spread this video as wide and as far as you possibly can. But why is this we going to get? Particularly bad? Because our dear friend Meghan Carey is sitting down with a bunch of people who served with him in the Minnesota National Guard. Now, long story short, he was in that service for some twenty something years, but he pulled the pin before they were sent to a rack.

Now he knew they.

Were being sent to a ruk, but he got out before they had to go to a ruck because he, of course, was running for Congress. Why will it be a bad week for Tim Waltz because the people who served under him are giving an interview. It goes to where between now and the next time we see you on Meghan Kelly's show tonight Australian Time.

Why did you come forward?

It is morally in the past, he didn't care that it was all about him.

He's a military and.

Person who I don't understand how he could do it morally or where you got to absolute.

Nor attacking you When the people who served with you turn on you because you cut and run, there's going to be a problem no matter how hard the media wants to ignore it.

We won't.

We'll talk about it and obviously talked to Meghan later in the week show How they lie about Trump?

Now? Is Trump perfect?

No?

Does he get things wrong while every human does. Does he sometimes say things we don't agree with? Yes, of course we're all human. But last week he was at Arlington National Cemetery, the main and most sacred sarah mines that are done at a cemetery in Washington.

D C.

Where the war dead or they are laid to rest. And you may well have heard a version of this in the past week about how apparently disgraceful this act was from Donald Trump. Kamala Harris, who of course didn't write this tweet but presumably saw it before it was sent out. She says as Vice President, I have had the privilege of visiting Arlington National Cemetery several times. It's

It is not a place for politics.

And yet, as was reported this week, Donald Trump's team chose to film a video that's what you saw, by the way, which was news coverage, resulting in an altercation with cemetery staff. Again, that makes it seem like it's Trump. It wasn't, and even the people who allegedly saw it say it was not as has been described in the media. But this will be like the both sides, all the other crap that they say about him that eventually becomes fact no matter how many times you say it's not.

Of a political stunt. Will bugger you, duh? Let me tell you why.

Because the reason he was there was because on the very day that you last person in the room, and you mate, Joe Biden, decided to cut and run from Afghanistan, where people died literally holding onto the planes that were flying out at the time, where you and the greatest president of all time, the mount Rushmore, the amazing democracy loving Joe Biden left all of the equipment to be sold off by the Taliban and Bagram Air Based to now be taken over by the Chinese. Thirteen service people die.

It's three years ago.

You may remember when they returned to the United States. Joe Biden while their bodies were being taken from the back of the plane, he was looking at his watch. How long has this got to go? But of course that's never been a scandal. Nothing to see here. Well, these families are furious because they have never got answers about what really happened, and the service has not truly been recognized by the very administration that would have to

Here's the first.

And Trump was invaded by those families who have their soldiers buried at Arlington. They were invaded there as a friend, as somebody who has taken the time numerous times, on numerous occasions to hear our stories, to speak our kids' names.

Nicall griefside.

President Trump and his team were respectful, They listened to our stories and didn't talk much at all.

We welcomed them that day and.

They were again respectful invited. The families have made it very clear he was at the cemetery because their family members died three years ago because of the decisions of Biden and Harris. He was invited because he cared, and Harris and Biden didn't. Biden checked his freaking watch when they were coming off the planes. Again, if you see or hear, or read or have anyone repeat this crap.

It's a lie.

He was there because the families wanted him there.

Why did we want Trump there? There wasn't to help his political campaign. We wanted a leader that explains why you and Joe didn't get a call. Imagine for a second that your kid is killed and there's a president in the United States willing to take you under his wing and listen to you. That's what we found in President Trump. Certainly not you, and certainly not Joe Biden.

In the country that I know cares so much about service, it matters that if the families of thirteen people who died because of the decisions that you made are turning to one candidate, that is.

For a reason.

If the people who served with the vice presidential candidate of Kamala Harris are now coming out and saying that he cut and run. They went to Iraq. Waltz didn't He ran for Congress, He became governor. And it looks like the slippery slope may end all the way.

In the White House. More on a secure on Pomorary life.

Plenty to talk about, Plenty to debate, Mattcanavan, Sam Crosby, Lots to get to include how the big wins have affected big renewables today. Surprise, surprise, the system doesn't work the way they tell you.

More in a second.

So much to talk about with lovely Sam Crosby, who is here in the man cave telling me to pop.

Up and not be so angry.

I'm passionate, so angry, I'm so angry, passion of mine I could see take and smiles of the joys of the Paralympics and footy and fun and.

For me anyway, blad to Happy Father's Day.

Happy, had a great day, same as you, Matt Canavan, of course, Senator Matt Canavan, Happy Father's Day to you, mate, Hope it was a good one in FMQ.

So let's talk.

About this wild weather and its effect on renewable energy. Now we've seen scenarios where the wind was so aggressive that at certain points the system was being turned off. Have I got that right, Matt, Because that obviously wouldn't happen if we're talking about nuclear, and obviously wouldn't happen if we're talking about cole and obviously wouldn't happen if we're talking about gas. But this is what they want, eighty three percent of the grid.

Dab.

Yeah, there is a real lesson in what happened yesterday, because your rights are. Lots of solar farms were switched off yesterday across the country, apparently up to eighty percent of them at one stage, switched off at once. The reason they have to switch them off is because they need to keep a minimum amount of thermal stabilizing generating power in the system. That is effectively coal in our system.

So look, this gets very complicated.

Of course, But the problems emerge when politicians who don't understand these complexities like to say things like let's go to eighty two percent renewables. The problem is, how are you going to keep that system stable? The wind farms spin at different rates, not at fifty hertz the frequency that our electrical equipment uses. Solar is a direct current technology. It doesn't help balance the alternating current system that is our grid. So I'm getting really technical here, Paul, But

I love the detail because it helps educate the audience. It helps educate me, Sam, educate us while we're wrong.

Oh look, no renewable, no power sources is perfect. You know, we saw two weeks ago there were earthquakes at the site of one of Peter Dutton's proposed nuclear sites. I can't imagine that would be particularly good if that happens when there's a nuclear power station on.

Has that ever been a problem?

That earthquake was at best a couple of things fell off the shelf, right that the idea that should and when you put a nuclear reactor over that, maybe the consequence is going to be slightly worth.

On an issue.

They're built to withstand those anyway.

Yeah, I mean, but no nuclear power no, but how station is By picking wind as an examples, such a lot has to come from.

Aren't the variables more risky?

Potentially you can model this out.

This is not like we're Robinson Crusoe here, right, This is not like no one else in the world production where it's not all those before Russia invaded Ukraine it was yes, it was yes, it was.

Policy days after it had had come on.

It doesn't matter how the UK it doesn't matter how it was No one expected.

That doesn't matter because cold prices are back down. Cold prices are back down. Still behigh, but not overly high levels. That's the end of the reason there.

At the end of the day. At the end of the day, there are there are wind turbines all around the world using battery technology to firm up the grid. There are wind turbines all around the world. Nuclear and I've always said that we should back it by gas or you're not in the longer term, we should back it by batteries absolutely.

All right, Let's talk about charmers and the blade.

They can't provide the services I'm speaking about that I just spoke about.

SAM.

Batteries can't do that. Again, they're direct current, they're not alternating current. Our system is based on a system that requires like one thing to demonstrate this is in your house right now. Your lights are flicking on and off. You don't see it with a human eye, but they're flicking on and off because they run on a fifty

Now it's got nothing to do with Ukraine.

Their modeling was out, They're modeling was hopeless, and their plan is hopeless. And the sooner we get away from it and get back to the latter common sense, the better for the rest of us.

Sam, what is the four d chess behind charmers having a crack at the RBA. I know, with Philip Low and the very start of their term, they were able to pretend there was something structurally that was going on that was wrong. But when they threw all the when they said that the former prime Minister was in a world of pain at one interest rate rise, we've now seen twelve more chance of a thirteenth.

Isn't it concerning to.

You that our inflation is higher than the US, the UK, than places like Japan, Canada? I quoted before, This feels like getting through the week rather than actually talking about the problem.

I think it is a sign of a very healthy democracy when you can credit size the RBA.

I have absolutely no problems, not the government.

What really, I come on this show and you say, no one can criticize the government, really, Paul, But the RBA is a human institution, and like all human institutions, they are fallible, you know. Philip Low, yes, of course, in I think it was March or February made that immortal statement that interest rates are going to stay low for the foreseeable future.

Clearly he was wrong.

For the last ten years, every single prediction of wag's growth has been wrong. Every single one has been wrong. You know, I think it's fair enough that we say, well, let's look at the bank and have a conversation about so if.

They're in the wrong place.

The Greens say that the current legislation gives the Treasure of the capacity to overrule the decision of the Reserve Bank at any one time. Do you think that he should be if they came tomorrow and said we're going up thirteen, that he turns around and says.

No, no, I don't think you should do that.

I think you should put in place better voices around the table so that you can have a conversation.

On union hacks.

Absolutely, no, no, no, no, I was just going to say that, absolutely you want to talk about mates, No, no, let's talk about wages policy. Wages policy or sorry, wages calculation is one of the things that they got wrong ten times out of ten.

Okay, now.

When they were saying, oh, we expect wages to go up four or five percent this year, every single union secretary in the country was saying, in what industry, my guys aren't getting four five percent, Their guys aren't getting four five percent. Every single union secretory in the country thought that was madness, except the boffins at the RBA. They were saying, no, no, no, we've got this model labor market elasticity that's going to show that it's going to go up.

Every single one was wrong.

I think having a couple of those union secretaries sitting round the table saying, guys, none of us are experiencing the union land, none of us are experiencing in the real world, might say this is why you've got it wrong.

Team.

Yeah, but that is the result of what he's trying to do when it comes to the laws he's trying to get through the Parliament. But it's not what he's saying at the press conferences.

Man, what do you think here? Again?

It worked for them politically, it shouldn't have. It was a disgrace to attack the Reserve Bank governor in the fashion that they did. Anyone else would have been accused of trying to trash an institution, but when it's labor, it's all good. What did you think about the game they're playing?

Well, look, I certainly I agree with Sam. I don't think the RBA should be somehow above criticism. But I don't think it's appropriate for the nation's treasurer to engage in this kind of criticism, especially when I can't hit back and won't of course, can't defend itself from one

May even have had higher inflation. That's a very likely outcome.

What could be done if you want lower interest rates and lower inflation is to reduce government spending. And almost every economists out there, every credible economist, reckons that their Labor Party's first two budgets have been massively splimmetry.

That's what their own numbers say.

They've injected forty billion dollars of net spending based on their own policy decisions, into the economy across two budgets, and that has meant that.

Interest rates are higher than they would otherwise.

Be all right, I love this. The big boys have come to play. They've got the brains, they got we all.

Well almost said it. They're ready to fire up and fight.

That's the main thing, all right, quick breakback with more will do so in a second. The dog track that is the Bruce Highway and Queens End Labors plan to be phishing in Queens Math this Morning's all right, Lad's got plenty to talk about in the next little while here with none other than Sam Crosby and Mtcanavan, and I want to sort of direct a few issues in your direction.

Rather than the argibargie, as much fun as that is.

The Greens are doubling down on trying to improve their primary vote by going after people who rent. Third of the country rents. Their primary vote is anywhere between ten and fifteen percent. If they can get it up to twenty percent or twenty five in certain areas well. Obviously they're going to start to challenge for labor seats. That's the reason they talk about rent the way that they do, and it will be politically effective.

All right, let's not muck around.

The Greens in my view, are probably going to have quite a good result at the next election, one they don't deserve. But they are targeting on this issue. And let's be honest here. So today they say that landlords and realistic agents could face major fines. What do you think about this as the latest place.

It is a happy hunting ground for them. There is a huge amount of unhappy renters out there, and you know a huge number of people that are desperate to move into the housing market that just simply can't afford to the problem they've got is there is absolutely no capacity for the federal government to do this, absolutely no capacity.

He didn't, he did not say that. That's well, but.

Even I'm not even engaged with what he was saying. He sort of you know what used to be free free wheeling out on the internet. Of course free weell's on Channel two, which doesn't and shouldn't lock you guys in. But I want to get to map the Great Barrier reef. What is the type of fishing that's about to be phased out there.

What are the cons sequences, Well, it has been.

It has been phased out, Paul, about a year and a half ago.

The environment, it's almost two years ago now.

The environments just shocked fishermen across Queensland and said we're going to ban gil nets overnight. There was no consultation. It's destroyed businesses. One thing I didn't even quite realize myself. It was all market about the Great Battery. But last week I caught up some fishermen in Mariba, Jamie and Bevan and it also affected the golf fisheries as well

No one spoke to them, No one talks to them.

These are people who get up at the cracker before the cracker door, go out for weeks at a time on their boats bringing in fish for the rest of us. And if you wonder why fish is coming so much more expensive. Friday night fish and chips is becoming more expensive because of policies like this, and we no longer can catch fish in a massive ocean territory we have, and that of course pushes the price up for everybody.

Now I'm inside of the last minute here, Matt.

We have gone back and forth about the Bruce Highway.

We followed the campaign to get it fixed. Supposedly they were getting some sort of the right answer. But every time I see something in the Corey of mail it suggests that the goat track ain't being fixed anytime soon. There was that chemical explosion a couple of weeks ago.

What's going on?

Look, the basic thing we need is to return the maintenance. I mean, I'd love to see the road divided four lanes whatever. That cost a lot of money. But what's happened the last few years is the maintenance of the road is just shocking, absolutely shocking. You're a massive potholes through it. I don't exactly know what's going on, but that's what governments need to fix right now. They can fix that, presumably very quickly, get the road teams out there and make the road safe.

Good stuff, Thank you very much, we're following our director's orders on tightness very well, lads, I do appreciate it. Thank you, Sam, Thank you Senator. Will talk you all again tomorrow night here on Paul Murray Lot