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Paul Murray Live | 2 October

Oct 02, 202449 minSeason 1Ep. 1568
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Paul unpacks Tim Walz's horrible debate performance against JD Vance, floundering Labor ramp up 'Get-Dutton' plan. Plus, The Greens accused of stoking antisemitism in Australia.

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Speaker 1

From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live.

Speaker 2

Think about Happy Wednesday, nozooks, no left This is the plan again this evening.

Speaker 1

I look forward to getting into that in the moment or two time.

Speaker 2

Now, about these protests, the headlines tonight are that regardless of whether they are ruled illegal in the lead up to the anniversary of October seventh, they will be marching anyway.

Speaker 1

Now there has been a weekly march.

Speaker 2

At times they have been more peaceful than not, but at other times there have been plenty of people who have been willing to drown out the messages about the people of Palestine. Now you know where this is gone since Hesbalah and its leader was killed a couple of days ago, and particularly the nonsense that you saw on

the streets of Sydney and Melbourne last weekend. Now, as you know, I always trying to sort of talk about Australia first, and I know that there is a lot to talk about this All the time, I try to talk about lots of other things that are around, not because I don't care about this issue, but because I try to offer you a little bit of a different take come this time of the night. But there is something that is really important to say about these protests.

There are of course a collection of high profile people who say they absolutely should not be taking place, and I agree.

Speaker 3

Court orders need to be sought and I don't think anyone in law.

Speaker 4

Enforcement wants to see these protests go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hope that Victoria can follow suit with the new South Wales police application to the court to stop what would be a grotesque gathering to celebrate the death of the slaughter of twelve hundred people in Israel.

Speaker 6

All rights have limits, and in our society we need to balance certain rights.

Speaker 2

And there are the lone voices in mainstream politics who say that they should go ahead at a fairly obviously provocative time, with the most recent version of these protests involving people who were waving the flags and wearing terrorist symbols, I mean alter At the end of the day, we are a Western liberal democracy and people.

Speaker 1

Have a right to protest. That is our hallmark of our society.

Speaker 2

Now, of course you may will have the right to protest, but as a Western democracy we have every right to say that the types of symbols which people bring to the protest are acceptable and not acceptable. We have lived through an absolute nonsense of the past couple of years that when the government wants to crack down they will arrest women in their pajamas for posting about protests on Facebook.

Speaker 1

We've seen rubber bullets.

Speaker 2

Fired at people who broke curfew during COVID at the War Memorial in Melbourne. We have seen the absolute heavy handedness of guaranteeing that anyone turning up to a planned protest during COVID, well, of course those people were not allowed to get on a train, and if they did get on a train, they'd be arrested for getting Well, if they want to crack down, they can crack down, but as we know multiple times, they have chosen not to.

And even when we go back to the nonsense of the Opera House, which obviously was a celebration of what had happened on October the seventh, now again, if you step down and go through the detail, the protests that have existed for largely much of the fifty two weeks are apparently in support of those who are living in places like Gaza. So okay, they have their right to protest,

whether you agree with it or not. But just like the celebration of what happened on October the seventh out the front of the Opera House when it was the Jewish community's moment to mourn. These were not approved, There was no approval given to those protests. But police did

not shut them down. Police did not shut them down in the fashion in which they would have shut down any other form of protest because, and I'll be very direct, their fear was that if they did stop people from marching from the town hall to a thirty minute march down to the Opera House, that the shops would have

been bashed up along the way. Now again police have shown and this is a very pro police show, but the upper echelons of the police have decided that one group of people will cop the rubber bullets, others well will.

Speaker 1

What can we possibly do? So here is the solution.

Speaker 2

If these people do choose to protest at a time which is clearly insensitive, clearly provocative, then let's follow the model that both New so Whales and Victoria have already put in place for organizations that required extra police to turn up because of potential conflicts. Firstly, remember mate Nigel Farage came to Australia and he and the promoters of his tour were literally handed the bill for the police to be outside of that event because the protesters were

going to cause trouble. Meantime, in Victoria, when Milo Uanopolis was hosting again a private event, you buy a ticket that because the rabble turns up, the police have to deal with the rabble. And the bill was sent to the organizers of the talkfest that Eanopolis was involved with.

Speaker 1

So here's the solution.

Speaker 2

Send the bill for this weekend to the people and organizations that are going to defy the court orders. They are very freely identifiable on the Internet. They put out press releases with telephone numbers at the bottom of them, so you can call the organizers. The organizers have the capacity to be interviewed at a moment noticed by the men. If they march this weekend, send them the bill. Now, the bill can be as little as three thousand dollars

when it came to the scenario involving Nigel Ferrage. It can be fifty thousand dollars when it came to the Malo Unanopolis thing, or would the crazy protests that the nutters put on in Melbourne a few weeks ago, when that weapons expo was in play. Remember when members of the media were being turned on and they were going nuts. Well, the Saturday Herald Sun claims that that whole thing cost thirty million dollars. Thirty million dollars in terms of police time.

Speaker 1

Now, will they pay the bill?

Speaker 2

Most probably not, But there's then a proceeding that you can go after organizations and individuals who refuse to pay those bills. Now, let's see whether an uneven police hierarchy will respond to the protest.

Speaker 1

COVID bad this okay, because there's too many people to push back on.

Speaker 2

Whether they'll send a bill to people who book a hall, sell tickets and speak nothing else. But because people want to protest, the people inside the hall or the person speaking.

Speaker 1

At the hall, they get sent the bill.

Speaker 2

Not the protesters who do the damage, but the people organizing the event. Let's see whether that happens between now and then. Let's get that question asked of the premiers of.

Speaker 1

NIWS, wl Was and Victoria.

Speaker 2

Will the organizations that plan to defy the courts if the courts say you cannot march, will they be.

Speaker 1

Sent the bill?

Speaker 2

I think we both know what the answer may be, but let's hold out some hope that between now and the end of the week, when this thing becomes a virtual inevitability, the position is clear, and everyone knows if they choose to turn up, a bill will be coming their way and they will have to pay it. Now, let's talk about the vice presidential debate which took place

in the United States today. Now, I'm not going to do my usual thing where I'm going to show you nine hundred different pieces of clips and evidence and then I'm going to turn around and show you all this polling information and all the rest of it. Right, I'm going to show you the most bald faced version of a politician lying on a global scale, and it's that bloke Tim Waltz. Now, Tim Waltz loves telling stories about his past, and many of them are just not true.

There may be a sort of grain of truth somewhere, but he always finds a way to spin the story up, like a fishing story, to be bigger and bigger and bigger.

Speaker 1

But I'm like.

Speaker 2

Somebody b sing about how big the fish was that caught this weekend. This is a bloke who wants to be a heartbeat away from the presidency and the person who Kamala Harris thinks should help govern the biggest democracy, well, certainly the most significant democracy in the Western world. This was the question that he was asked by the moderators today.

Speaker 7

Governor Walls, you said you were in Hong Kong during the deadly Tieneman Square protests in the spring of nineteen eighty nine, but Minnesota Public Radio and other media outlets are reporting that you actually didn't travel to Asia until August of that year. Can you explain that discrepancy.

Speaker 2

It's not a discrepancy, it's a lie. It's middle stump. He's been caught, and he's been caught on national and therefore international television.

Speaker 1

Again.

Speaker 2

I would normally show you lots of little things, but this is the insight into the bloke who has told lies all the way to get up the greasy pole, but now is telling lies about himself in order to take the ultimate step, which is to be working in the White House.

Speaker 1

This is his full answer. You heard the question.

Speaker 2

Here's his absolute non answer, wrapped in a lie, wrapped in a look over there a rabbit.

Speaker 1

I grew up in.

Speaker 8

Small rural Nebraska, a town of four hundred town that you rode your bike with your buddies. Still the street lights come on, and I wish was that China. I joined the National Guard at seventeen two Caves Farms, and then I use the GI Bill to become a teacher, passion about it a young China subject. First year out, I got the in the summer of a question you told people be able to square home became the blood.

Speaker 1

You hadn't even been the Aisia.

Speaker 8

We would pay, we would take baseball teams, we would take dancers, and we would go back and forth to China. The issue for that was was to try and learn. Now, look, my community knows who I am.

Speaker 1

They saw I know who you are. They I will be the.

Speaker 8

First to tell you I have poured my heart into my community. I've tried to do the best I can. You had the question perfect, and I'm a knucklehead at times, but it's always been about that. Those same people elected me to Congress for twelve years, and in Congress I was one of the most bipartisan people, working on things like farm bills that we got done, working on veterans benefits, and then the people of Minnesota were able to elect

me to governor twice. So look, my commitment has been from the beginning to make sure that I'm there for the people, to make sure.

Speaker 1

That I get this right.

Speaker 8

I will say, more than anything, A lot of times I have been ali.

Speaker 2

I will not the rhetoric, but I'm qualified to be the impact vice president of the United State.

Speaker 1

In my life, I learned a lot about China.

Speaker 8

I hear the critiques of this. I would make the case that Donald Trump should have come on one of those trips with us and.

Speaker 1

Go way, go, way, go go. Say that that goes on for another minute.

Speaker 2

By the way, now, what he should have done is when anyone is caught in a stone cold lie in life, it's pretty simple. Sorry, shouldn't have said it instead? Because these people are so used to no one, no one putting pressure on them, they just think they can be as their way through it. And largely there were plenty of people in the media today in the postgame who didn't even bring that moment up, but of course it was Bam.

Speaker 1

You know, you're blowing the Teneman square question when you look more nervous than the dudes staring down the tank.

Speaker 2

At least they did, and it was a good joke, unbelievable, right, by the way, as for who won the debate, Vance won the debate.

Speaker 1

I'll be honest, I didn't think he was going to.

Speaker 2

I thought that Tim Watson had had some sort of special superpower that he'd been hiding for a long period of time. He's been through many debates, governor, running for Parliament, the House multiple times. But Jade Evans just knocked him out, just started playing with him now. He was, Yes, the most level headed version of Jade Vance that many people

have ever seen, myself included. But in the end, who cares when everyone from the New York Times to the Daily Mail say that you won, and our dear friend Megan Kelly couldn't hide her excitement at how well Ants deed and how polly that liar went.

Speaker 9

The moderators were not much better. They were a little better than ABC News, but JD. Vance put on a master class in how to handle biased moderators and a lying opponent. And it was a thing of beauty. It's beautiful.

Speaker 4

It was like.

Speaker 9

Every Republican or Republican voter or person who in this case is rooting for Trump knows exactly what I am feeling right now, which is just thank God.

Speaker 2

Now as for her guests in the post game. The bloke who's in the business suit, he's the straight journalist. The very smiley guy is the Democrat. The guy in the middle of Sean Spicer, who you know used to work as the press secretary for Donald Trump, and of course a regular guest with my mate Andrew Bolt on his program. And all of them thought exactly the Simons.

Speaker 1

Megan. I thought Tim Walls worked a little overwhelmed.

Speaker 10

He looked, frankly, a little small and simple.

Speaker 2

I think he's lucky that he was bailed out by the moderators, because he what was a mismatch had been a massacre had it been a level playing field.

Speaker 1

His performance was shaky.

Speaker 11

So how do you expect Tim Waltz, who frankly is handicapped from doing a good job to begin with, because he wasn't a good debater, to articulate somebody else's positions that he doesn't know, she doesn't know.

Speaker 6

Walls did seem unsteady and frankly. What I saw in Walls is somebody who has not faced questions on a national stage since he became the Democratic nominee. It was simply out of practice.

Speaker 2

So now it's two from two when the media played alone with the Harrison Waltz game of no serious interviews, no press conferences. Eventually, the people aren't match feet for when they have to get into the ring and have to divide their case. In Jade Vance's case, he's done something like one hundred, literally one hundred different interviews since being named as Donald Trump's running mate. One was match fit.

One thought that they could coast as Again, one of those people said, if it wasn't for the moderators and one of whom was just a bismol abismol, then it would have been even more obvious. But by the way, the CNN poll, which you may will have heard, was fifty one to forty nine in favor of Jade Vance. They oversampled Democrats by five percent, so he won, and he won by a much bigger margin, but statistically that's

why it ended up at fifty one forty nine. But as for the mega lefties over on MSNBC, well, this was their review to what you just saw.

Speaker 12

I think the big picture takeaway from this is that one of these candidates is much slicker than the other, is a much more practiced kind of professional debate style speaker, and the other candidate.

Speaker 2

One, sorry, the guy who's asked directly about a lie exposed on national international television takes us for a ride through his childhood and.

Speaker 1

Bikes and not answering the question.

Speaker 2

A little bit like Kamala Harris with so, how are you going to fix the economy? Well, middle class and lawns and all that other garbage that was thrown out there, honestly, just but that's the world they live in, Megan Kelly on the show tomorrow night. Now, there is a chance that the current Prime minister may be about as politically smart as a former prime minister.

Speaker 1

Of course.

Speaker 2

Anthony Abenezy, well, he believes that he's got a special connection with the Australian people and no matter what he does, he will end up winning in the end, which reminds me a little bit of the Ghost, because you see, remember the Ghost in twenty and sixteen decided to call a double disillusion election.

Speaker 1

This meant that all of.

Speaker 2

The senators were up for grad and of course the Senate cross bench became even wilder.

Speaker 1

To deal with. But he was playing four in chess because I am so amazing and have a leather jacket. Well, Anthony Abernezi is getting ready to pull a Turnbull.

Speaker 2

You couldn't go to a d D though, well probably won't go to a d D because it wouldn't be a great result for you, would it.

Speaker 3

Well, well, wait and see.

Speaker 2

So a double disilusion I've said before, Bring it on. The poles couldn't be worse for the government right now, They couldn't be worse personally for the Prime Minister right now.

But still the threat is out there. You see, if the same piece of legislation is rejected twice by the Senate in a certain period of time, then the government is allowed to go to an election, where not just everyone downstairs in the House of Representatives, but everyone upstairs in the Senate all goes to an election at the same time. But the fourteen percent of the vote quota that you need to become a senator, well it drops down by half, which guarantees there would be multiple Jackie

Lamby's in the Parliament. There'd be multiple people from one nation, there would be relatively easy re elect for the United Australia Party, and there'd be a whole lot more that would blow out a cross bench that has already rejected something once. But there'd be more of them to reject it a second time, So of course there is no need.

Speaker 1

For the double disillusion election.

Speaker 2

Yet guess what they're bringing back the bill, So just in case the double d.

Speaker 1

Bluff is still on the table.

Speaker 2

Clara O'Neill, clueless Claire who's now the Housing Minister after stuffing up our borders, now she wants to screw up housing. The Prime Minister has left it, left that really open and it's a serious proposition because we're serious about addressing.

Speaker 1

The housing crisis.

Speaker 2

Are you really remember we showed you last night just what thirteen thousand new dwellings have been approved in August. In fact, only a third in the past couple of years since they became the government of dwellings had been approved to match the immigration numbers.

Speaker 1

But nothing to see here.

Speaker 2

And again the Prime Minister may need to be aware of his own polling here because while he thinks our laborer win will win in the end, it doesn't even matter if we're a minority. He is below water in terms of what Australians think of his leadership right now. So if he thinks that Australians are ready for a however many week election, campaign where it's all elbow all

the time. This is where he's starting from. In News poll, fifty two percent of people disapprove, he is eight points under water in terms of approval and disapproval, and the Resolve Pole fifty three percent of people say he's doing a poor, very poor job, and even over in the Turnabul Times the Guardian poll, only forty two percent of people approve of him and his leadership at this moment.

But of course Anthony Albernizi and much of the people who cover him in them or hold the water for him in that canbra bubble, well, they all think that, of course he's guaranteed to just increase his majority, not go backwards, which is what every single pole is predicting right now, and that's.

Speaker 1

Because of course he's running against Peter Dutton and.

Speaker 2

The ugur booger factor of the daily drum beat of fear they try to raise about the alternative prime Minister. Well, the Turmble Times again more than happy to report that Albaneze he says that Dutton thinks politics is all about testosterone. As character attacks escalate, this is the Prime Minister again fighting with the caricature of Peter Dutton, rather than the bloke who in some poles is even leading him as preferred Prime minister.

Speaker 3

My government works through issues in an orderly consistent way and when we make a decision, we pursue it. But Peter Dutton hasn't called for an end to all gambling ads and so I'm not quite sure where he's coming from except his mucho stance. He thinks that politics is all about testosterone. Well, it's about getting things right and making the right decisions for the right reasons, and we will do that.

Speaker 2

Yeah, the two little too late tax cuts, increasing the overall spend of the budget into welfare, building in a structural deficit that your own treasury says will put us into deficit every year between now and the twenty sixties, bringing in the best part of a Midian people in a couple of years, when clearly the only reason to do that is to prop up the federal budget because the rental cues and every other queue in Australia is already too long for people to find a house. I know,

but they're logical and achieving wonderful things. And then again there's this nonsense which turned up yesterday from Tony Burke. We all know why Tony burk Turki is desperate to change the subject from any sort of accountability for people who are born in this country who are part of the protests that we've been talking about the past few days. Instead, he's trying to pretend that all of these protesters can

be deported. They can't be because in many cases, as I say, they were born here and in some cases they're from his electorate.

Speaker 13

With Peter Dudden, it is always about the Middle East and never about Middle Australia. The moment, it's about something on the other side of the world. Peter Dunden wants to talk about that and nothing else.

Speaker 2

Now you notice the by the way that they're playing home games on Radio National. That's how big a trouble layer in right now. That the labor ministers are trying to go to the place where the easiest questions will be asked, and then the turbul times will turn around and dutifully right up the attack line of the day. They're not venturing outside the most bubbly bit of the

camera bubble. But while he talks about the obsession with the Middle East, we do know that we're talking about protests that have happened in Australia where people have been holding the terrorist symbols, where people were mourning the death of the terrorist. It's not a conversation about the Middle East. It's a conversation about Australia and what we're willing to put up with in Australia. But of course Peter Dutton's the problem now. Last night I told you a story

about Tony Armstrong. Now, Tony Armstrong is a very popular gentleman and he is a host over there on Channel two and he's sort of moving from the news side of things to the entertainment side of things. And as we told you, there was a little story done by, of course, my mate, none other than the wonderful Jeanine Perrott. You remember here almost every night during the first few

years of this program. A dear friend of mine never hired it and she's been filling in on the Media Watch program and she was able to reveal that his little side gig while We're looking for the ABC was doing ads for an insurance company.

Speaker 14

He's not only on the breakfast TV couch. In recent months he's appeared at night on a new sports show. He's one of many appearing in ABC News promos and the face of his own five part series, So.

Speaker 8

Come with me on my hunt for our most Extraordinary Things.

Speaker 1

Let's go.

Speaker 14

So we were stunned when we got confirmation that Tony was selling an insurance company as well, with Tony's voice also embedded in these sponsored ad breaks during nine News.

Speaker 4

And our remain Insurance a help company.

Speaker 14

Now, plenty of ABC stars are engaged in outside work, often as MC's at corporate events. But putting aside whether doing such corporate work is advisable and for ABC journalists, we think it is problematic. Voicing the commercial is a whole different game.

Speaker 2

So middle stump right in the same way that media watch has got many middle stumps some people in the commercial, Well they got a middle stump on an A star and credit to them for taking on a very significant, very well protected person over there at Channel two. Well, now the response the race card is being played by his boss. The ABC News director is calling out racist attacks on Tony Armstrong and criticizes inflammatory mainstream media. And remember the story was broken by the ABC on the ABC.

But the ABC News director, Justin Stevens, has called out the racist abuse Tony Armstrong has received saying the Indigenous presenter has been targeted on social media and in comments on news sites in a despicable way. Now again, anyone who is abusing him in that fashion, you shouldn't do it. Don't do it on social media, don't do it in

the comments section. But to pretend that everyone but the ABC is all involved in some sort of artificial pylon for a person who you use in your news promos, who then turns around and as a side gig is flowing commercial products over on your rivals, like say Channel nine, then I'm sorry you're not going to be able to play the race card on this one, but no doubt

it will continue to happen. And by the way, what I talked about when it was this last night or the Cydney Morning Herald with their COVID inquiry where they concluded everything that we said on Sky News and myself in particular was one hundred percent right about why lockdowns were too harsh, and of course they didn't admit at

all the fault in their reporting. So the response to calling out this very obvious weird standard at the ABC or calling out the turmbul times as frequently as I do, or calling out the Channel one newspapers as I do, means they'll all be coming back to try to crack at us or specifically at me. So if you do read anything in the next few weeks, that's why, not what they're able to invent, but that's why they're writing it.

As I said, I don't have many friends anymore outside of this building in the Australian media because as somebody who always dreamt of working in this business, as somebody who's had the honor of being able to work in this business, we owe it to you to be honest

about the failings of this business. At times when they're legitimate and they are mine, I'll own them like I have in the past, because when you're broadcast five days a week for basically eleven months of the year, hundreds of shows, you do get things wrong from time to time and a couple of bin doozies. But I've always apologized for it. The idea that nobody apologizes for this, just like nobody apologizes for the COVID coverage, well that's what pisces me off, which is why I fire up

in the manner that I do. But as we also told you last night the ABC in addition to underpaying its staff by millions of dollars over multiple years, in addition to problems when it comes to sexual harassment in their own news division, they also had the report last week. This week, I should say about issues when it comes to racism, systemic baked in racism, in the way the organization works and what some of the people are doing

inside the organization. So the boss of Channel two went on to one of the ABC programs and went through a struggle session. Have a look at this being laid on rather thick.

Speaker 10

Hello, welcome Jinjawler in the language of my ancestors, the Bungelong people of the far North coast of New South Wales. Thank you Managing Director David Anderson for joining us here

on this really momentous occasion. Is really significant that we take the opportunity to step into this new space as I would like to call it, that's been created today where we reflect on the legacy of what has been reflected on in this review and the steps that are being outlined in terms of how we move forward as

an organization. So in recognition of that, just acknowledging, we're here today on gadigil country, paying respects to elders past and present, and just respecting the manner in which that we have this conversation to start off with, David Anderson, for you as managing director, coming through this process from fifteen months ago when this was announced, what are you reflecting on today as you step through the testimony of some one hundred and twenty ABC staff who have shared

some really deeply painful moments of their experience here working at the ABC.

Speaker 1

Thanks Miriam.

Speaker 10

Look, I'd also like to acknowledge the traditional custodians the land upon which we're meeting today, the gatical people of the Aora nation.

Speaker 1

And pay my respects to elders past and present.

Speaker 2

Wow, quick break, plenty more to talk about, No sooks, no lefties this evening. Michael Kroger and Roman Bishop will be joining us about a whole lot more when it comes to Australia, the United States, the world, all of it. But I promise you you're in exactly the right place and you're not going anywhere for at least the next thirty minutes. Thanks very much for watching. No looks, no lefties tonight. Apologies The wonderful Bromber Bishop carry over a

champ as always on a Wednesday night. This will throw all of the lefties that I hate watching tonight taking their notes down for the weekly Whatevers, and the wonderful Michael Kroger joining us from Melbourne as well. Now, let's start with you first, Michael, about that struggle session with the boss of the ABC now now again right that they've got the report, it shows they have a problem and he has to try to go out there and

say okay, I get it now. Literally when you watch that presentation, there was one anchor who throws to another anchor and that's the person who you saw interviewing him. And then after all of that then he of course responds with welcome to country. I do think that's called a struggle session.

Speaker 4

Made.

Speaker 15

I agree with what everyone watching this program misthinking themselves. That video speaks for itself and there's nothing you can usefully add to that except to say that is there any wonder that the ABC's ratings are at pretty well record lows. It's good in Country Australia, Rural Australia because they liked their local rural ABC radio. But most things coming out of the ABC in Sydney and Melbourne. The ratings are in the toilet and you want to know why.

Speaker 4

That's why.

Speaker 2

But also remember, you know, way back when when there was like teachers strikes, when I was going to school, when there were teacher strikes and there was like closed circuit television meetings that were being sort of shown at all the pubs at insert state, it felt like all of that was just for all the people watching monitors in the building, none of the people actually watching the television at the time.

Speaker 16

Well, I have long advocated that the Act that governs the ABC should be changed to make the Charter enforceable.

Speaker 1

Yes, and let me tell you what.

Speaker 16

The charter says that they shall broadcast programs that contribute to a sense of national identity and inform and entertain and reflect cultural diversity of the Australian community. That interview that you've just shown did none of that. But it goes on to say at the bottom of the charter, despite it all being set out there, that nobody can

actually take legal action to make them do it. Now, if you changed that and actually inserted a provision that it could be legally enforceable, you might start to get some proper results, Yes, because that demonstration we just saw was a disgrace.

Speaker 2

Now again, right, he has every right, as the boss of an organization that's just going to report about what is going on inside his organization, to turn around and try to reassure his organization that he's going.

Speaker 1

To change it. The idea that we all were forced to watch.

Speaker 2

Along felt to me quite well, as Michael says, stands for itself.

Speaker 1

But I completely agree.

Speaker 2

Now, what about the four D chess that the Ghost was playing and eventually a double disillusion where he of course almost lost his majority, in fact barely held on

to it in twenty sixteen. Well, apparently an early election based off a housing bill may well be the exact same or worse result for Anthony Albernezi, because unlike the Ghost, he's not starting with a landslide like the one Tobdy Habbit handed him in two thousand and or that was taken from him after the twenty thirteen election, or of.

Speaker 1

Course in the case of.

Speaker 2

Rudd and it being taken from him and Gillard of course peddling it up against the wall. He's got two, remember two, he's on seventy six as a majority that he's got to spare two more because he's on seventy eight. So what four d chess or is it just Titley Winks is currently going on with the government pretending they may well have double dissolusion, which of course will explode across bench, making it even harder to get something through the Senate.

Speaker 15

Michael made he's on seventy eight, but as I said to you, he's actually on sixty seven. Come election day, Dutton's on seventy two already, and I think Dutton's going higher. I don't want to upset my friend Stephen Conry because when I say seventy two, he has a migrain. So given that he's probably not watching at this minute because it's passed his bedtime, Dutton's probably on seventy four by now.

Speaker 4

But anyway, I don't say that to Stephen.

Speaker 15

Look, this bloke, Albanize's polls are getting worse every day, as we keep saying, he's in free fall. This has been another disaster week for him, starting off with the capital gains tax that no one asked for. Maybe they did it was just their own work and Treasury et cetera, et cetera. He did no charms. I mean, what a complete chamozol over a serious issue. Now he's towing with the idea of a double dissolution. He told Andrews, now

we have to wait and see. Well, I'll tell you that you don't have to wait, and you don't have to see. He ain't calling a double dissolution elections right because the quator from the Senate zero chance? What was that, you know, Steve what was his own carew Carrell? In anyways, Seve Grell, he said zero chants when he sat at the back of that mortgage breakers meeting. In the big short the quota in the Senate goes from fourteen point three percent to get a senator elected, it's a seven

point seven percent. So it's much easier for minor parties to get elected in a Senate in a double which means the cross bench effectively in the Senate will be larger than it is now. Its grandmother's fruitcake now to be three fruitcakes. So Albow ain't going to do that, and he ain't going to call election anytime soon because if he does, he'll get flogged. A zero chance. There's zero chances to him holding his majority. You know, I've been saying this for months, there's zero chances to him

going in his own right. And if he called an election anytime soon, will it be ringing? Adam Ban saying, all of the given forgiven.

Speaker 16

There's a couple of reasons, Michael, why Mike carls Early.

Speaker 1

Oh you think you think you could actually press the.

Speaker 16

Button, but not a double dissolution ife anything else, says the interesting question that section fifty seven of the Constitution says, and that the Senate must the bill must fail to pass. Now whether postponing a vote to November, as the Greens and Coalition.

Speaker 1

First trigger little on the second is a moot.

Speaker 16

Point and they've got to ask the Governor General and convince him it's part in the sky. But the reason he might be interested in having an early election is I kept thinking he will is because you've already got other contenders who think they'll make better prime ministers starting to count numbers. You've got the snake Charmer, You've got Burke, and you've got Tanya Plibusak, who's busy out there say

look at me, look at me, look at me. So if he wants to say, well, I'm going to go off there and he can go, he can just call it. And the second thing is, you know, when he mucked up like he's doing now in the lead up to the last election, he used to send him off on COVID.

Speaker 1

Lead Cod's had to disappear for a week.

Speaker 16

He's he's got COVID. They can't do that now there's no there's no disease that they can send him out of.

Speaker 1

I had forgotten about it. This is why the institutional memory of view too. I love it, and I love it here each and every week right now. In the Queensland election, well.

Speaker 2

Under the Liberal Party because they made the decision Greens go last, right, That's exactly what the position should be in my view. You know, there's there's no case for the Greens being anything but at the very bottom of the ticket. There may well be a certain person in a certain seat, but as a rule dead last, right.

Speaker 1

Well, Jewish groups.

Speaker 2

Have actually got together with other minority groups and are trying to inform the public about how ethnic minorities are not in fact best represented by the Greens, who, of course, remember trying to pretend that they are, you know, sort of the Aussie version of the United Nations, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 1

Michael, what do you think. I know you speak very.

Speaker 2

Warmly of the decision that the Libs have made in Queens and I hope it's one that happens nationally. We all know labor should but won't because literally there would be a lot bigger number than seventy we'd be potentially talking about here as a potential government.

Speaker 1

But it's good not just to make.

Speaker 2

These moves, but also for people to be willing to put up posters and send the message to the average voter so they know the Greens equals something other than what the Greens are putting their own posters up about.

Speaker 15

This is just a fantastic development, the fact that someone in the Jewish community that the Hindu community are getting together to basically say these people don't represent minorities and they may not get a huge number of votes, but they're making the point to people putting pressure on the Greens to get people to understand that this group that tooks a big game are basically a hard left, fanatical, extreme pro anarchist organization that are not the friend of

minorities unless they're Palestinian extremists in this country unfortunately. But the bigger question is not so much about the Queensland election because we know Steven will be looking for a job after the election up there. The bigger question about Queensland is the federal seat of Griffith. You keep your eye on this seat because Max Chandler Maither, who is the Greens member, was only elected because they got Labor

Party preferences. Right Chandler May they got thirty five percent of the primary vote, Labor became third, they preferenced him in he won. So hello, mister Albanzi, you're going to preference him again and get him elected.

Speaker 4

You're going to do that, mister Alberanzi.

Speaker 15

This is the bigger question, not what the Liberals are doing, because they've got a principal stand in Queensland and Dutton will do the same Australia wide. These people are going last. They are extremists who will ruin this country. The question is this, Albanize, You're going to have the guts to do the right thing by middle Australia and say, yep, we agree the Greens are going last. We're preferencing the

Liberals or is he going to preference the Greens? Because if he does, that'll be the end of him.

Speaker 2

Well, and also I agree, But also the thinking is that, as I said, we've send this kabooki theater of then pretending to be at war with each other being Labor and the Greens, where the reality is that they're always going to end up either electing each other to Parliament or certainly supporting each other in a parliament. What do you think about what Michael just said.

Speaker 16

I agree with everything that Michael said. I just wish we had put the Greens last when we gave preferences to mister Bant and he got elected on liberal preferences and look what we've got as a result. So hopefully that mistake will never be made again. But the bottom line is this. The Greens hate the Australian country people. They hate the concept of the nation state. They want to see the populace dumbed down so that when they rise up to be the elitist leaders, they have absolute control.

And everything about them is almost evil. They are really bad people and if you listen to their rhetoric, listen carefully to what they say, you wouldn't feed them.

Speaker 1

But of course, Albanez, of course.

Speaker 2

We are speaking in metaphors for those that are getting ready to write their letter of complaint. We are speaking in political.

Speaker 16

Metaphors, yes we are, Yes we are. But the point is that they hate Australia. They just hate Australia.

Speaker 1

All right, I'm with you.

Speaker 2

Can you know what you think at any time? Send men email pull Let's go on neews dot com dot au.

Speaker 1

All right, quick break back.

Speaker 2

The more plenty to talk about, including a new report which exposes just how dirty parts of the Victorian system has now become modesty. All right, quick run through the rest of the day's news before we get to the late debate about twelve minutes from now with Bromben Bishop and with Michael Kruger.

Speaker 1

No sooks, no left.

Speaker 2

It's nice and comfortable here this Wednesday evening. Now, a survey came out today from the Corruption Commission in Victoria about what people in and around the public service of Victoria think about potential stench of corruption in Victoria. It won't surprise you that a significant number of people that are in the public service think that they're is a problem.

Speaker 1

With widespread corruption.

Speaker 2

Now, Michael, what's been fascinating to see here is that the Corruption Commission, the Commissioner, the former Commissioner multiple reports have talked about great corruption where it's not about you know, you do this, and I get that. What it ends up being is that basically sort of overtly political decisions.

Speaker 1

Are being made in and around the.

Speaker 2

Public service, which is not meant to be an arm of in this case Labor Party.

Speaker 1

But that's what's been happening.

Speaker 2

But if the perception is widespread that there's something rotten in Victoria, yet every time he gets pointed out, nothing gets changed, what does that say about Victoria's capacity to deal with this problem.

Speaker 4

Well, you might be able to deal with under this government.

Speaker 15

And unfortunately, and I'm not saying for a minute that Leandrew's government or the arm government of corrupt. No, no, of course, let me say that at the outset. But there are perceptions in Victoria things have happened which people don't think are proper. A lot of it had to do with how the government dealed with COVID and there was a Royal Commission which people felt didn't quite get to the right answers.

Speaker 4

There were problems.

Speaker 15

With the Labor Party and investigation into the red Shirt scandal, and there are many other things that have happened in Victoria. Where the public think this labor government have got away with murder, and that has just seeped down and there's been a lack of loss of confidence in Victoria about our system of government, about propriety and integrity and honesty, and so many things have happened over this period of this labor government.

Speaker 4

Whether they were corrupt or.

Speaker 15

Not, the perception is, the perception is that things have happened and they've fallen on the wrong side of the line. Whether they have or not as a question for the criminal courts, but that's the perception, and it's a very bad perception to have of any state, and we're copying the brunt of it unfortunately.

Speaker 2

Yeah, and again particularly you know my central view all of this again built out of former corruption commissioners talking about that gray corruption right, and remember previous premiers said, I've never read that letter, I never knew that was around.

Speaker 1

That's where you.

Speaker 2

Need a good upper house and that at the very least will have the beginnings of public inquiries. But of course Greens, animal justice, cannabis, they end up voting virtually every time to shut these things down. They should reverse it. Let's talk about the debate today. What did you think of JD. Vans because I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to muck around. I'm not going to pretend I was always in the corner. He had a terrible

start to his time as a vice presidential candidate. There's the dogs and cat staff, there's the childless cat lady. Stuff that meant a caricature was built of him. But at that debate he absolutely blew it away. But he blew it all away.

Speaker 1

And people now see him as the handbrake on Trump.

Speaker 16

Well, I liked him from the time I read his book, which I read back in twenty sixteen. I remember I bought it in.

Speaker 1

You did He'll really? I look again, Yes.

Speaker 16

You did, so, I thought today he was a very polished performer, very competent, instilled in somebody who is watching that you can trust.

Speaker 1

That blook yes.

Speaker 16

And also it shows good succession planning. It shows a complementarity between Trump and Vance, which just doesn't exist between Kamelo and stand There's no working synergy there to benefit America at all. So I just think what we saw was something that gave great confidence. I would think every Republican would be very happy. As Megan said on Your clip. But I thought his ability to finess was also.

Speaker 2

Very good, because I mean, look, the reality of anyone with a big and long and complicated life is that there are going to be some things that when they come back, you either have to turn around and say, yes, I was sorry about that, or and if you are in that position, then it's pretty obvious what the trick is. Yes, one hundred percent wrong. Here's the subject, right, we know

what happens. But when Waltz was confronted on that China question and again the only grab I played off the debate tonight, the fact that the two minute answer went everywhere and nowhere and frankly, just filled you with the sense of dread that, honestly I hadn't felt since the Biden implosion in the.

Speaker 1

First minutes of that debate.

Speaker 2

It's not as bad because he'll stay on our ticket all the rest of it, but it was that bad.

Speaker 1

It was what do you reckon?

Speaker 15

Michael? But I loved your voiceover. I loved your voiceover early in the shade because it just it just pointed out that this polybabble waffle just went and on on. Look, here's the truth of what happened. Whilst is obviously a reasonable person. He plods away, he's a football coach or whatever he is. He's probably a nice guys in a class of his own.

Speaker 4

And it showed to day.

Speaker 15

I mean Vance Vance is a class actor, right, Brodwin, like you, I read that book. What a magic piece of writing that is. I mean, the guy's got a phenomenal intellect, an extraordinary backstory. You know, he wasn't in he was in Dallas the day Kennedy was killed. Obviously, Tim Walson, and that was embarrassing. I mean, who says that? Who says that?

Speaker 4

What Wald said?

Speaker 15

But anyway, so the truth is it doesn't affect the result much historically, but boy.

Speaker 4

It's given.

Speaker 15

It's given the Trump Vance ticket a big lift. And Paul, you may not have noticed, but you know, I keep quoting the betting markets occasionally. The reason you look at the betting markets is they don't they don't care who wins. They're not biased, they don't give a stuff who wins. It's all about the money. So you look at them and you know, it's not like a CNN poll or a ccenn show or whatever. It's you know, they're trying to pump up this one, that one. They're trying to

pump up the Democrats. For the first time in six weeks. Donald Trump has taken the lead again in the betting marks betting markets from Harris, not so much because of the debate, but because of what's happening in the Middle East, in my opinion, where they think you've got.

Speaker 4

On the one hand, a San Francisco.

Speaker 15

Liberal and a football coach. That's one mob, and then you've got that nasty Donald Trump and a very.

Speaker 4

Serious player in Vance on the other hand.

Speaker 15

So what is happening in world few of politics is affecting the vote in America, and as I said, Trump is now favorite to win.

Speaker 1

One hundred percent.

Speaker 2

Also, there is a huge strike which is happening in around the docks, meaning nothing's moving off the ports. If that I mean, that's gone for a couple of days. If it goes any longer, well people will start to notice, and that too will cause its troubles. We're out of time for tonight, so thank you very much to former senators, future senators and just you for watching stand by for the late debate. Megan Kelly on the Shodow Morrick today

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